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Deebo & Joe - Eagles-Giants REACTION: Jaxson Dart STUNS Jalen Hurts + Steelers-Browns preview
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This is an Iheart podcast. Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Deebo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Joe. Hey, before we get into. How was your. How was your trip back? How was it?
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Oh, trip back was great, man. Thank you, Debo. I. The only thing that was crazy was I need to get that global entry because I was in a customs line for like 45 minutes when I got back. So I got to get the global entry up. That was a rookie move on my part. But besides, that flight was good. Direct straight to iad, smooth back, good.
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A
Thank you. Question. No question, no question. You gotta get GLOW range. You don't do that, you gotta give up a lot. But it ain't like they can't see everything anyway.
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B
But they know me.
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It's straight through. It's like two minutes. I had. I had it. When I did Mexico City, bro, I.
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B
Saw the global entry people going through and my phone was dying, so I couldn't even download the app. So I just, I just took it. I took it. I chalked it up for l won't happen again.
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A
Yeah, you got to go through a whole little process though. It ain't just applying. That's it. They got to call, you gotta do an interview, you gotta do all that process to it. Okay, but you know, the Giants went on ahead and did they thing right there, you know, against Philly. That's crazy, dude. I did not see that coming. Especially, you know, as soon as the game started like Philly, the first two plays, Saquon go 18 to 13.
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B
Yes.
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A
And I'm like, okay, it's about to be something. They get a hot field goal. But the Giants come back and dude, on two consecutive third downs, they get like 30 on the one third down. And then the next one, Dark scrambles for a 20 yard touchdown.
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B
Dude, bro, dude, Dart popped off the game. Like when Eagles came down, like you said, they stalled out, you know what I'm saying? So they couldn't get this. Couldn't get the touchdown. Saquon only got the. He got the two carries, popping off looking sweet. But when Stark got the ball and he was just able to his first pass to the. With my man, the six four, the six four. Off the practice squad, he had nameless gray faces, receivers that he was out there throwing it to. And then Eagles having a great call on defense. They had a spy four for him. Debo, he Was able to juke this by make run, get the touchdown. I'm like, okay, he's looking. He did exactly what he had to do. So game popped off super exciting.
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Yeah. Then Philly came back out and they had what was like a negative three yard run. Then they got sacked. So they were up out of there, three and out. And here come your boy dart again. Yes. Dude, like unbelievable. I think it was one for almost 30. Another one, 35 to go, another touchdown.
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B
He was scrambling, bro. He was being able to use his legs, like just creating plays, being, just dodging, making sure, being smooth, bro. It was looking like he was, he was in control of the game. He wasn't making any bad plays. He was doing things on time and he just. And I ain't gonna lie to you. The one thing I liked about dart, not to lie, like when I look at a quarterback too, some quarterbacks look goofy in their equipment, you know what I'm saying? He looks sweet. My man got the spat on, he.
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Got the vibe on point.
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B
His swag is on point. Like he looks like I'm like this, I'm looking at. I was looking, I'm like this young. I want that quarterback to be a quarterback of my team because he just looks cool, he looks comfortable, he looks in the flow, he's having fun, he's enjoying it. And he's swagging when he was doing it. So I just had to throw that out there. I know they don't mean nothing, but you know how you had dudes looking just goofy? Some dudes just look goofy in his equipment. AKA Ravens quarterback back up. He comes out there, I'm like this. He looks a little bit nervous, dark, doesn't look nervous. He looks like he's in control. He looks like he's chilling. He looks, he'd done this before.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. But Philly popped back out there, less than what, four minutes? A little close to four minutes, 75 yards, they get a touchdown. And I'm like, yo, this just the first quarter. We about to have one of those games where it's gonna be back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
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B
When he scored, he threw the deep joint to AJ Brown. One handed fire, you know what I'm saying? So getting him, trying to get him involved. So definitely it looked like it was gonna be good. That's. It was 10 to 13 right there when they went down.
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Yeah. So he get back, right back out there. Second quarter, they get another seven, another eight minutes off the clock, 75 yards.
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B
So I'm saying, yes, yes.
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A
Tables turning. You know, Giants done held up long as they could.
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B
You know, Deebo, that's when they did all them damn tush pushes.
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A
Yes. And you see, he went off sides.
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B
On the one, and he would have. And he jumped on the second one.
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A
Yeah, yeah. You see, he went offsides on the 1. They need to redo these tush pushes, man.
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B
And did you hear the referee, though? They say he went offside. And the referee was, like, in real time. You know, you probably couldn't really tell. I'm like, oh, my God.
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A
Listen, stop it. So we going real time now. So we ain't calling penalties. Y' all ain't doing the same slow mo. When the defense get a hair jump and they in the neutral zone. Y' all doing the same thing.
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B
Come on, give me that same Curtis.
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They want to score points. And the Giants ended up going right back and answered Darton. Scatter Boo went on ahead and said, you know what? We gonna go ahead and get this. 20 to 17 a half time. Yes. Gotta do.
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B
He was toting that pill. He was laying. He was. He was coming down with his. With. With the crown of his helmet. Debo, he runs.
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Listen, man, I don't. I don't have a problem with that, because you got to protect yourself. You got to drop your head. He ain't gonna just drop his head and do like this to get popped. He trying to get down, like, understand that. So I. I. You know, I'm. I'm. When you come in and make a tackle or something. Yeah. You know.
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B
Yeah, okay.
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You're in there because you're not even being able to rap, so I understand that. But at halftime, you got. You got Saquon with. Basically, he had three carries that was 49 yards, and then another five. That was, what, maybe eight yards? So he ended up halftime with eight carries, 56 yards, and then he ended the game, dude, with only four more carries of 58. Like, I don't know what they're thinking anyway, man, that's gonna get to that. That's at the half. We'll get to that later. And then, dude, the third quarter starts.
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B
Yes, yes, yes.
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A
He go to dudes again. The two dudes, darting, darting, darting. Skeebo. They activate. Activate.
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B
Came out that joint looking sweet. Then they had to. I think the first one dart threw a great pass. They made a good play on third and two, so knocked it down, so they had to punt. Then this is when the Eagles get the ball in the second half, where I'm like, all Right now. Do y' all gotta stop? Let's make something happen. Jalen hurts. It was a blown coverage on that third and eight with devonte Smith running Scotch free down the field. That's a play you have to make. You have to make that. That's seven. That's literally. You know what I'm saying?
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Easy seven.
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You could get day. That's just a little dump in the. Dump in the bucket so that. That they missed that. That's one play where I think that that one really turned momentum. I think there was a lot of plays in the game that could have changed, you know what I'm saying, the outcome.
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Well, of course, closer you get to the end, the more, you know, you could. It could have changed momentum, you know for sure. Plays that you miss or make.
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But he missed that one, and they had to punt the ball. And like you said, again, Scatter Boo started giving them what they wanted.
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Mm. Though.
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B
Go ahead.
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Yeah, I said it was outta control, man. Like, these. These two rookies was doing their thing on.
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B
They went crazy. And then that's the one when they scored and they started, like I said, the swag, the aura. Did you see them dancing together, having a good time, coming with the vibes?
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Like. Oh, yeah.
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Like, everybody was. The energy was so real, bro. So I was rocking with just seeing them dudes. I'm like, yo, the Giants look sweet. They look energetic. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's making plays. So they make. That was. Made it 27 to 17.
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Yeah, right. And then Eagles get Philly that.
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B
Well, that.
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I ain't gonna lie. That challenge was big because he ended up getting sacked. You know, the Giants challenged that catch. They reversed that catch.
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Yeah.
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Sacked and they had to punt the ball.
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Okay, right.
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Yeah, correct. But, like, you know, the killer was, you know, when they got to that fourth quarter and he. He. He short that ball, threw it a little behind him, and dude was able to pick that off like that. That really, you know, it changed momentum like crazy. Where, you know, you thought they might have had a chance. And then the Giants, you know, hold.
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B
On, hold on, Debo. We got to go back. We got to go back. We got to go back to when we. When, my man, when. When. When I thought Jackson Dart was going to be hurt.
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And in and out. He.
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Russell came in and threw the ground ball, and Davo got this concussion over a.
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A
You know, that was a glitch. You know, you get glitches in the. That was just. Quick little glitch. He had to go ahead do what he do. Get back in there.
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B
I have to just say how much I laughed at how Debo was spazzing on the control like the.
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The.
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The. You know how you had the.
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Hey, everybody went into the tent.
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B
Everybody. Hey, what's going.
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A
You know he out here throwing this in the dirt, right?
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B
Boy, it's 39. You see the. He done threw it in the dirt.
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Oh, okay.
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B
My bad. I just had this. I just had to point out I.
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Was gonna let it slide.
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B
No Debo.
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A
That had me laughing.
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B
I'm like. I'm like. They are in dire need for that quarterback dart. If you don't get the hell out that tent. Everybody win the tent.
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A
Yes. Everybody. Everybody had to go in the tent. What's going on? These doctors don't know what the hell they.
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B
Hold on, man. No. Is he. Man. No, he's. I know he's good. They both like. He's good.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get. Get him on out here.
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B
You.
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Did you just see what we saw? Get him on out here. He could be all out here. He gonna be all right. And like I said, he. He threw that pick. And then they get. Finally what we thought was a stop. They get a huge Philly get a huge PI. That keeps the drive alive. And they're able to score again. And it's 34 to 17, dude.
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B
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 34, 17. And then this is what I'm saying. Then. And then we got. My man. Where is Saquon? They have him out the game. They keep giving the ball, dropping it off to Dylan. And I'm not. No. No disrespect to AJ Dillon coughed the Joan up. You know what I'm saying? Another turnover, which is going to literally finish the game. And then Scatterbrew and single was able to.
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This is the demoralizing part of this. Dude, please. Them boys win 6 minute offense on them.
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B
Yes.
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Okay. And you know they're going to run the ball. Run, run. And you cannot stop it. Over and over and over, over. And they run the clock out with almost seven minutes left on the clock to end the game. Bro.
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Yes, bro.
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Moralizing right there.
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That's. That's reminded me of that Marshawn lynch. And you keep hitting him in the face. Over, over and over and over.
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You know, turn. They was turning shoulders. They was turning shoulders to some of them. His. He was lowering his shoulders too at the. When they was getting to. Towards that third and fourth quarter. Man.
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B
Man, for sure. He lifted Scatterball. He even went, bro. Scatterble got the 15 yard penalty because he finally got lifted bounds. Buddy took him off his feet and he ran back over like, yeah, still first down. And they threw a flag on him. I'm like, oh, man, you got to grow up on that. He still ran for the fifth.
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He already. Right. He already know what you did to him. Go ahead. Don't. Don't give him a little cheap 15. He.
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He took the 15 and still went and got another first down, though. I was like, oh, he don't care. They still ran out the clock after that. Like, that wasn't a. Like, oh, no, you gonna give him the ball back? Give him a chance on you. You messed it up. He like this.
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No.
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Okay, I'll get that 15 back. And they know I'm toting it. Him and Singletary was running that thing crazy to close the game. I know. They felt ridiculous.
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Yeah, yeah. Philly. Philly got some. They got some problems over there, dude. The offense, they only converted one third down, dude. Bro. 1/3 down, 75 yards rushing. Dude. Here's the thing. Like, you got 75 yards rushing. Last year, y' all was second in rushing. Y'. All. Y' all did 179 yards rushing on average. Like, what are we talking about? Like, you were almost 42% on third down. I think that was 10th in the league. And now, as of today, you only getting 95 as a average for your rush per game. Like, you're 26. Dude, you were built on rushing the ball. Last year, you only had 187 yards passing a game. This year, you're trying to do it more. You still only got 167, 79 passing the game. Last year, you was 28. This year, you. You. I mean, last year was 29. This year, you 28. Like, you ain't did nothing better. And your third down efficiency done dropped to 34%. Like, situationally, you're terrible. Five out of the last six games, Saquon ain't even had over 60 yards rushing. You got hurts getting sacked left and right. Rather, he's missing receivers that's open, not seeing them or whatever's going on, but you're. You're not running the ball like you were built on, like, running the rock. That's what y' all did.
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Yes.
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You have just totally abandoned it. Like, you gotta. You.
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You.
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You gotta get back to it. I don't. I just don't understand it.
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B
I mean, you're exactly right. There's no reason. Saquon Barkley, how you started the game with the two Carries for those explosive plays and you don't continue to give them the ball. Like, if he gets less than 15 touches, it's a crime. You have Saquon Barkley on your team, on your squad. How you gonna get established to run? You have to continue to give him the ball. You gotta keep some. Like, there's no flow of the game when you're not getting him the ball, getting him going. And you don't have to keep giving it to him. Throw him a screen.
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A
Listen, you have to give him the ball running. I don't care about touches and all. You have to give him the ball running.
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B
Why?
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Because he has the ability to go and make one dude miss and go ahead and strike the band up for 40, 50, 60 yards, whatever that may be. So you to not consistently get him to ball to get those opportunities don't make no sense to me when you've already had success doing it. Last year, that's what you did. Now you don't let all these people running around here saying, you're not being able to do this. He can't do that. He can't pass this, he can't catch this. I'm not catching that change what made y' all successful. I don't understand that. I wouldn't care if I'm the head dude. I don't give a damn what they say. If we winning, ain't nothing about to get changed. No, I don't care if we 28, 29th in passing, we second and rushing. We. What are we talking about here? Stand it, dude.
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I don't get it either. Deebo. They.
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They.
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It's something. Something's up because it's. He's not even in the game sometimes though, Debo. So that's what I'm asking.
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Like, why is the threat is not even there?
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He's not even in the game. So there has to be something where I'm like, what is going on? It has to be something in the. Like, why. Why are the coaches not having Saquon in the game? No disrespect to AJ Dillon, but we saw what Saquon was able to do and leading that team to what they were able to do last year. It's not too much different than him Getting less than 15 touches is when y' all keep continuing to lose.
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A
What.
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B
There's. There's something that I'm not seeing. Because if you have him on your team, he's healthy, he looks like he wants to get the ball. Give him the rock. You know what I'm saying, like it doesn't seem too hard like me and you saying the same thing.
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Listen, I don't paid you all that money. I'm gonna use you up. I'm not, I'm not managing anything, man. We're about to get back to where we were and, and try and repeat this thing. The Giants, they, you know, day two rookies came out there and, and did what they needed to do and they're improving like, you know, from, from one game to the next. The offensive line actually played well, especially in the running game in the fourth quarter. You know, I'm about to run the ball and you can't stop it. That was played great situational football. Third down. They only gave 1% on third down. Y' all gave a 1/3 down one. I mean, I don't even know how many times that can be said in the game, period.
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Like that's elite.
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That. Yes. What are we talking? They're not known as like that super elite defense, but they, they have a good defensive line. But 1/3 down.
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Those DNS, man, those like both. Both. All them like number 05. They getting after the quarterback and at the same time the secondary, no miscommunications, no people just running scott free down the secondary. But at the same time, I' ma say when your offense is converting at a clip of 11, they were 11 for 16. I'm gonna say 11 for 15 because Russell came in there and threw it in the dirt. So my man Jackson dart, he was up for 15 for third downs and.
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That he was just making sure he.
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Ain'T turn it over no just make man. Come on. He sure he didn't throw a pit. So I respect it. You know what I'm saying? It was what it was. I hope somebody I didn't. They didn't show the replay. I hope somebody tipped it. But that joint hit the ground like quick. So that was that. I'm not blaming on Dart. They was 11, 15 and I saw that that's the most since 2014, converting 11, 4, 11 third downs in the Giants history. They haven't done that in 11 years. So him just going out there, being able to continue being able to make those passes on third down, third and eights overs, deep overs on the dime and like dropping passes, not just touc ball. It's like with no defense. A lot of those they were saying the dory Jackson wasn't in position. He was in position a lot of plays and they were just making tough catches. Great, great passes in a spot where only the Receiver can get it and you can't. So that was dart being dart and 195 yards isn't nothing to like go home about. But the way that he was be able to create on third using his legs. Third, what he had like 13 rushes for 58 yards and a touchdown. 17 for 25, 195 and a touchdown. That's great football. And the way that he did it, being able to be so efficient on third down, moving the chains, keeping drives alive, that's winning football. And he looked like a baller. Like if Jackson Darkin just do that eliminates. He didn't have no turnovers. He was sacked probably two times. But like him being able to scramble, use his legs and then look at keeping his eyes downfield. Those receivers aren't the best receivers. Like nobody's gonna be able to. Oh, nobody. None of those receivers are all pros. None of them receivers being pro bowlers. He had dudes off the street, right? And they were making them look great. Catch the ball, run the right route the ball. I'm gonna put it there. You just catch it. You know what I'm saying? That makes that. That gives everybody confidence. Like, you do your job, I'm gonna do my. I'm gonna put the spot ball where it needs to be. You make the catch and we gonna keep this thing going. So I'm very, very excited for the way that Jackson Dart was playing and the way he looks so calm. It looked like this is what I do. I'm normal. I've been doing this my whole life and the moment's not too big. I'm just. I'm out here chilling like I'm playing football and I love it.
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Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. He did. He did well, no question. Hope they, hopefully they can, you know, keep improving. New York might have something to root for, but let's get over here to the, to the Brown Steelers. So. Oh, Aaron Rodgers, he shared why Pittsburgh has not been able to unlock the deep, you know, the deep balls downfield. He said teams are playing cover two. When you're playing cover two, there's not going to be a ton of big shots down the field until we get them in one high. It's going to be precise passing and shorter the sticks. If you're playing cover two, there's not going to be a lot of shots open down the boundary. We've just got to be efficient. I absolutely understand what he's saying. I like it. The reason I'm. I'm good with it is because, like, He's a veteran quarterback. He understands what needs to be done, when it needs to be done. And we don't have, it's not like we have a, a really good offensive line. We don't, you know, we got an average offensive line to say the best in both, you know, passing and run blocking. So a lot of these teams are playing cover too because they're not worried about the run. So you have to do things that, you know, we do like the quick game, passing, alternative run game instead of, you know, trying to hand the ball off. But if we get to where we're able to now make you get into situations where you got to put that other guy in the box, you can't play Cover 2, the offensive line starts blocking well. We're able to run the ball, the ball well. That will open up the deep passes that you'll be able to get because now you'll get that single high. You got to get the other guy in the box because now we're running the ball effectively. So I have no problem with the, you know, with, with the comments. What's, what's your, what's your thoughts on it?
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I'm the same way that you are, Debo. You know how it is. I play DB and the best way to keep the deep ball from you is playing too high. If you play cover two your corners, you make sure you get hands on one and that dude is getting the inside release so your safety can be able to use. You keep you keeping the L on everything. So that makes your corners a little more active. It keeps you light in the run game. But him saying all of this is just football one on one and knowing the way you're going to do that is being able to get them positive runs. When they're playing cover two, tote the ball, the line blocks a little more, you start getting them six to tote, that's two carries. That's the first down. They're going to start playing some more cover some more cover one. They're going to start dropping that guy down in the box trying to prevent you being able to get six yards of carry, seven yards of carry. We start toting the ball and that's going to start keeping that safety. They're going to start shooting down a little bit quicker and that's gonna have a one on ones outside. Being able to. When those safety drop, you see one dude in the middle of the field and he's pressed on dk. Now that's when that's an opportunity for a D ball. Not when you got a corner back there. You got two safety sitting back there, just waiting. Yeah, I'm saying like, no, when you get that one on one look like, all right, bet now you can safety, you can look off the safety. And now you know it's him versus him. If DK's beat him, he's going to be a touchdown. And that's like, that's the. That's the looks that you want. So when you don't have defense cover two, we gonna keep a lid on it. There's. They're not going deep. There's defense you can call. We're like, no, it's gonna be able to prevent the deep passes. So he's speaking football one on one. And the way to change that is, you know, start running the ball, start toting it. Start being able to get those runs where now they gotta add another person in the box.
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Yeah, definitely. Tomlin shared what separates Dylan Gabriel from other NFL rookies. He said he's older, more experienced than most rookies. I think timely. I think timely possessing. I think timely process.
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B
Timely process.
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I think his experience and that super. And that superpower has to be on display. And I think that was one of the central reasons why the Browns went to him. My. I mean, I totally understand what he's saying here. Again, you know, you got Dylan Gabriel. He's what. What do you play over 60 games started at Oregon. Yeah. Last, you know, his last year there, he completed almost 73 of his passes, bro. 30 tugs, only six interceptions. So, yeah, he's going to pro process things faster. He's going to get it in and out of his hands. He done seen it. He has a better understanding of it. You know, and on top of that, something else. Dude, he's a dual threat. Like, he can, he can take off on you. It ain't like you sitting back there with Joe Flacco, you know what I'm saying? Oh, no.
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B
For sure.
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Hey, he go be in the pocket. I could go ahead and I could lose, contained and everything else still catch back up to him, you know, like.
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B
He'Ll get around you.
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Like what. What do you see in the enemy's quarterback? Because I see you got your Steelers jersey on. They must be the enemy today. I don't know.
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B
I told you, Debo, you got. I could do both, you know what I'm saying? Rang Bo. I got range. So back to Dylan Gabriel. I'm understanding completely what Coach Tomlin is saying. I think it's like, like from what I've seen with Dylan, he protects the football. Being able to. He says timely processing is his superpower. So making quick decisions, being able to. You know, I'm saying get back. Once you hit that back step, being able to let the ball go and being able to make good decisions. He doesn't throw interceptions, and if nothing's there, he'd be able to use his legs. So I understand what Coach T Is saying. He doesn't turn the ball over, and he's quick to make decisions. He played a lot of football when he was in college, too. So from the first game that I saw him play when he did in Minnesota, his first start, a lot of same things. Quick to process. Was able to get the ball out of his hands fast, but I just need him to make some of those deeper throws. So not bad, but still, some of the things that Coach Tomlin is saying is exactly the same things and what we saw and why he's still going to be able to beat a quarterback and for the next, like, the next couple of weeks.
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A
Yeah, quarterbacks. Speaking of quarterbacks, they are actually the Browns. I don't know if I want to say y' all or. Or they.
- [24:35]
B
When this. When this. When it's the bone, you say the Browns, you can still say y'.
- [24:38]
A
All. Y'. All. Okay, I ain't gonna be saying no, we. I'm gonna say us, then.
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B
Okay.
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A
Okay. So y'. All. Y' all are actually paying eight quarterbacks. Four of them are on the team, but only two of them are active. One is on practice squad. And your boy Kevin Stefanski said he don't know who the backup is. I mean, I'm doing the math right now. The backup. Listen, I was trying not to. I was trying. Listen, listen, listen. I was trying not to, like, give any. Like. Oh, y' all trying to, you know, over door. All this other stuff. I was trying to, like, trying to keep it even. But this right here. You telling me your head coach don't know who his backup is, and he only got two of them on the active roster? Huh?
- [25:34]
B
This Debo. I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna go ahead and get to it. We only. All right. No bump it.
- [25:42]
A
It ain't no way he wanted this man on his team, bro.
- [25:44]
B
That's the most.
- [25:44]
A
I don't know who my backup quarterback is. You only got two of them. You just traded the one. That was supposed to be two right now. One is three. Gotta be two. I can't.
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B
They plant. What are you talking about? You know what, Deebo? They're talking about Zappy. They talking about they're disrespecting right now in the level that our practice squad quarterback.
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A
So you telling me you go bring him up for practice squad, make him two in front of Shador.
- [26:11]
B
Listen, Deebo, I'm not telling you what I'm going to do. This is what I'm trying to tell you right now. And this is where I'm ready to go. Can you hear me?
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A
Hey, listen, man.
- [26:22]
B
Can you hear me?
- [26:23]
A
Why don't y' all just trade him to Cincinnati since.
- [26:25]
B
No, hell no.
- [26:26]
A
You traded your. You traded Flacco over there and he was your two. And you still don't know who your two is now. Hell, you could.
- [26:33]
B
I'm trying to. No, this one. I'm trying to tell you.
- [26:35]
A
You need to.
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B
Let me tell you something. This right here is straight disrespectful. Why I'm saying this is. I don't give a damn. Shador was your fifth round pick after you picked Dylan Gabriel. I understand all of this. This is just your fifth round pick. Joe Flacco starts Dylan Gabriel second. Shador's third. Zappy didn't even make your active roster. He couldn't even make your team. So just mathematically, you don't disrespect your 5th round pick like this. Joe Flacco gets his opportunity. The second round pick, the third round pick, Dylan, now he gets the opportunity. He's the starter. Now you got rid of Flacco.
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A
Boom.
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B
Shador is number two. If you don't make Shador your number two. Now you're being very disrespectful. I have to ask you, why is he not your number two?
- [27:29]
A
Yes.
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B
Because now you're trying to throw in Zappy. He couldn't even make your active roster. You had three quarterbacks to start the season. Just the way it goes, one is gone, then the other one comes up, then he gone. And now.
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A
Now.
- [27:40]
B
Now he moves up. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
- [27:42]
A
Listen.
- [27:42]
B
Hold on, hold on, hold up.
- [27:43]
A
What does this go do to the locker room for guys who are in support of Shador, but anybody out there? And you say you don't know who your backup number two quarterback is?
- [27:55]
B
Anybody.
- [27:55]
A
I'm looking at you as a head coach. It's like, this is the dumbest in the world.
- [28:01]
B
It's the most disrespectful in the world. How do you do this? Like, end of the day, I understand if you don't like Shador, if you do like him, if you don't like him as A football.
- [28:12]
A
He don't like him for sure. You can't convince me of nothing else right now.
- [28:16]
B
No, for sure. He definitely. He definitely don't like him. He definitely don't like him. He definitely don't like him. And I don't even like to get like this because it's really supposed to be. You are. Football is the only sport where you.
- [28:28]
A
If you.
- [28:28]
B
You gonna get your opportunity because it's how good you are and when you play. And then, like, it don't matter about nothing. Don't matter about your color. Don't matter about nothing. It's. If you can perform, you can play. So right now with Dylan is on. You drafted this man. You had petty. Whatever. Like, he should be back up to get his opportunity.
- [28:45]
A
Your head coach creating more drama. You only got two quarterbacks on your team. All you had to do was say, yes, Shadora is the backup.
- [28:53]
B
Why would he not?
- [28:53]
A
He's out of your way to say you don't know.
- [28:56]
B
Yes. You're going out of your way, Deebo. He's going out of his way to create something. And then at the same time, like, they're not. When we're protecting. When he was the third string quarterback. Don't keep him. Don't have him available to speak to the media. He doesn't want to talk to the media. He has nothing to say to the media because he knows that he's not going to play. So he's going to chill and do what he got to do. Y' all keep making him available. Letting him be available is.
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A
Y'.
- [29:20]
B
All. Y' all handled it wrong. Y' all don't want Shador to be there. So let him go.
- [29:24]
A
Zero. Let him go.
- [29:25]
B
Let him go. I'm good. I'm good on that because, yeah, they just. They doing. My dog. They doing. They're. They're doing him wrong. As a football player, as a draft pick for the Browns, I would feel disrespected.
- [29:38]
A
For sure. For sure. Like, and as the locker room, I'm like, yo, I was trying to be even killed with it, but, yo, they really do not like this cat, man.
- [29:49]
B
I really don't like them. And they just got rid of my good man Greg Newsome, too. It makes no sense falling this year. Having a great year.
- [29:58]
A
Great.
- [29:58]
B
One of the best locker room dudes ever and just got rid of him. I don't get it. I don't get it.
- [30:07]
A
Hey, Bruce, you know. You know ba. Bruce Arians? He was coordinator for US Head coach in Arizona. He said, I don't know how. How you keeping this job this long? Like, how do you. After that? How. I don't. You're the owner. Oh, that's that you was talking about in Cleveland, how they don't know what the hell they're doing, period. Is that what you was talking about?
- [30:28]
B
I mean, right now with this in the way it is looking is. I don't know what to say. Like, they don't, they obviously don't know what they're doing. Like, from this, it's just, it's just all bad moves. It's bad business. It's the way you treat people. I mean, at the end of the day too, you've. You, you. The Steelers, they do a better job. Like Kenny Pickett. They picked a first round draft pick. They knew they messed up. They were able to move on. They're grown. They can make decisions and move on and be able to take accountability. You gotta be able to take accountability when you make a bad move and move on and grow up and then make better moves moving forward. Like, move like a business. Don't do that. Like, this is just crazy.
- [31:06]
A
Well, hey, listen, at least the Bangles think that, you know, they gotta, they, they got a better chance at, you know, we hope this season when they, when they got Flacco, you know, do you think, what do you think they, you think they got a better chance with Flacco in there?
- [31:22]
B
I mean, they don't. I mean, he gonna throw the ball. He gonna. Jamar Chase gonna have some numbers. T. Higgins gonna have his opportunities. Flaco's a vet. I mean, he gonna have those receivers that he's, I mean, he gonna give him a chance that he gonna throw it up. So, I mean, I, I don't, I don't, I don't believe in the Bengals. I don't think the Bengals are going to be doing too much better. I think Flacco is going to make them serviceable, but I don't see them winning too many more games than they would have with Browning.
- [31:51]
A
Well, it says gives the team hope. Hope for this season. Oh, there's more hope than they had with the other cat. I think, you know, they're definitely going to have a better chance, you know, with Joe, if the defense is able to play as well as they did against the Lions. But again, they're still, what, a 30th ranked defense right now? They're. They're giving up a lot. They actually had some, you know, they had some good stuff, but at the same time, they're. They're getting, they're giving up sacks too. The offense is dead last. Flacco is not going to help you with anything on the rush. Like he's going to be sitting back there in the pocket, you know, just, you know, do more than like 170 yards game. But who knows?
- [32:44]
B
He's.
- [32:45]
A
You're going to get more sacks, that's no question. Because he will be sitting right there in the pocket. He. You ain't got to worry about him running nowhere.
- [32:52]
B
You gonna know where he at.
- [32:54]
A
But if he, you know, if he gets on time, he gets his timing good and everything is. Yeah, it's, it's going to look different. It gotta look better than what they had. Yeah, it gotta look better than what? That unless he go and do what he did with Cleveland with all them picks, I don't know, it might look something like the same.
- [33:12]
B
That, that, that's what I'm trying to say. I'm not knocking Flack. I love George. I mean, Joe Flacc is a good man. But it's talking, we're talking, it's a performance based sport and it's the NFL. It's the best of the best. Like they, they getting you getting played to play a game. So at the end of the day now, while I'm on this side, I understand why you're going to be able to get graded accordingly. You know what I'm saying? The eye on the sky don't lie. If you're doing, if you're just throwing picks up in the air and miscommunications over there, you haven't been in that, that situation. So hopefully you can learn the offense a little faster because you've been in the league for a while. But I remember when you were in Cleveland and when we got you up out of there and I was asking for them to get you up out of there. I know it could be a change of scenery, but you're going in year 19, year 18. Like I'm, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I, I just don't think it could be too much of a like, jolt of energy, you know what I'm saying? That your Flacco's gonna throw to the Bengals to make them do too much better. Hope, understandably. We all got hope. Hope.
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A
Faith and charity.
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B
Hope. Faith.
- [34:13]
A
Man. Michael Irving went off on the podcast for them saying that Deion Sanders couldn't cover the current NFL receivers. Man, listen to this. The receivers from back then might not be prime though. These guys that he played against want that fast, bro. They were stronger but they want that fast. These guys now I love to see him. I would have love to see him play against Chad in his prime. I would have loved to see him play against Justin Jefferson right now, today. You know, all these different guys. I would love to see him cover Tyreek. If prime is who we think he is. Are you king me? We are the two most accomplished receivers in the history of this game. When you're talking about the most important things, championships and your stupid ass talking about running fast.
- [35:02]
B
Like people weren't running fast back then, are you? Me?
- [35:07]
A
What the hell are you talking about? I don't even know your name, dude. Hey man, what you think Debo? I am right there with him. It is more players back then that could play now and have greater success than it is players right now that could play back then. Because you had to worry about getting your head took off. You could bang a receiver every play. It wasn't about, oh, he's not by the ball, all that. You run your route and the play is about to be dead and over. Don't be surprised that safety come down and just block you anyway.
- [35:55]
B
They give you two.
- [35:56]
A
What are you talking about?
- [35:57]
B
They give you two more steps, dude.
- [35:59]
A
Yes. It was a whole two steps.
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B
It was a whole.
- [36:03]
A
We only had one. The receivers would not last back then. Like you the receivers back then coming to now, man, you can't touch them. You can't do none of that. And you got guys back then who were getting beat up all the way up the field still breaking loose and getting catches. Now you touch a dude after five yards and diggle at first down. What are you talking about? Don't nobody even know who this goofball is anyway. Like anybody can say anything that they want to. Dude is out of his rabbit ass mind, just running his mouth for clout and. And dude, I don't even. That is crazy for that to even be said. Like the game is way too physical back then. Probably for half of these receivers now to even play then.
- [36:53]
B
Yeah, I mean, so that what, 1,000% Dion Sanders would do whatever he wants to do. His speed, his knowing with the ball, knowing the game, his ball skills. Deion Sanders, in my opinion was the best cornerback player I've ever seen in my life. And that is just off the strength of just the swag. The way he was able to play the ball and picks.
- [37:18]
A
Like you're going to be so disrespectful. One of the greatest to ever play the position. Couldn't play into, huh? No, I need to cancel your podcast for that, bro.
- [37:31]
B
Prime Time Deion Sanders. And that's when they was literally like he was being able to put hands in, like they were playing real ball. That's why I respect them OGs too, because you could put your hands on the receivers and the receivers too. I respect them even more because was you was getting beat up for real. So, like, you being able to get through this, being able to know I'm running this slant, I got him grabbing on my arm. I'm about to get fumbled upside my head, catching it and still coming through there and lasting. No, no alligator arms, no nothing. It's. It was a guard. It was. It was just gangsters out there playing. And I think with Dion's speed, the way they. You can't watch this tape. And no, Dion. Dion's running 4, 2. Deion's catching these picks.
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A
He's talking about what did you know how fast he was? Like, you can't. You can have no clue about what you're talking about. You have no idea. Like, you need. Like, if you got anybody that's following you right now, watching your show, they need to unsubscribe. Because if I see they following you, I'm going to consider them just as stupid as you, if not more saying.
- [38:33]
B
That Dion couldn't he say that Dion wouldn't be able to cover these NFL receivers. That is ridiculous. Thibaut Deion Sanders that played professional baseball, that ran around like two, two way professional, ran around in Florida State, like at the combine, ran through the joint and left. Knew he was getting drafted. Like, wore all the chains for the joint. Everybody trying to play. Deion already knew what time it was. He had swag before swag and then went and got picks and won Super Bowls, change franchises would go, this is my house in Atlanta. Go back there and run pick six back and talk to people crazy. Like Jerry Rice, talk to him crazy. Michael Ehrman talking to him crazy. Like real hall of Famers, real goat jacket guys. You know what I'm saying? Like, I understand Jamar Chase, definitely, but at the same, he would have had to deal with prime, you know what I'm saying? Like, no question wrong. Like, everybody would have had to deal with prime the same way.
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A
Like the safeties back then stop playing, man. And it ain't no oh, if I don't catch the ball, they can't. No, you go get hit the ball gone three yards away, and you go get Mollywopped regardless. See if you come back out for the Next play.
- [39:47]
B
That's crazy.
- [39:48]
A
You gonna be running across that middle, like you said, with them alligator arms, not reaching for nothing. All of that. That's not.
- [39:58]
B
That's one thing I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever do is disrespect the OGs.
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A
You can't.
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B
You can't.
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A
That's my big thing, dude. Like, you can't never. The biggest. I ain't gonna say honor. It was an honor. Like. Like the biggest thing that I ever got told to me was by the old school players, like Joe Green, you know what I'm saying? Mean Joe Lambert. Like, guys like that that were like, yo, you could have played with us back then, like, as a linebacker to hear that, would them say that to you? Like, I'm like, oh, yeah, for sure.
- [40:41]
B
The best thing you could ask for is just the recognition of the og, the people that came before you, that you wanted to show them that you trying to hold it down, do it the right way, you know what I'm saying? And, like, reckon, like approval. Like, yes, man. I'm out here working, trying to get it. That's why I love OGs that always come back and look out. And you always gonna respect the OGs.
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A
Always, dude. No question, dude. Like, it was.
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B
I had something, Debo, I wanted to ask you too, man. I wanted to tell you, actually. I seen this best four linebacker joint from my man. He posted it of all time. And they had Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, you and one other dude. It was four of them, bro.
- [41:23]
A
How they ain't got Lawrence Taylor on there.
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B
It was lt, lt, lt. Obviously. My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad and lt. It was four. It was lt, Ray Lewis, Brian Erlacher, and you. That was the joint that my man posted from dc. I got it and it was. I was like this. That's real love right there.
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A
Oh, no question.
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B
Real love. I had to let you know that D Boss saw it yesterday, and I was like, I'm a screenshot. I'm gonna send it to you. But everybody crazy love lt, Ray Lewis. But. But when they put. My good man my coat. I'm his co host, My good man, Debo. I just want to let you know, I appreciate. We see you, Debo. We see you, og.
- [41:59]
A
Whoever put that up, we're gonna go ahead and get on the screen. We're gonna go ahead and get you some more, whatever it is, because we love that.
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B
That's a good.
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A
Dude. Speaking of recognition, I guess this is not the kind of recognition you want. Chris Jones, he. He admitted his mistake, I guess, letting up on the touchdown.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You ever been in a situation like that where you was like, yo, I stopped, but I. Then I restarted. But you ever. You ever. You. I know I've done it. I've done it once. And from that point forward, I'm like, yo, if I feel like I have any chance of getting there, like, I gotta keep running because you play it back in your head and you like, dang, if I did that, especially when you lose, like, it. It could have won us the game. Everybody has a situation like that, but I don't. I've never had a situation, like, to that extreme where I stop, I may, like, give a little less effort. One time that I did, like, it was like, yeah, I gave the jog. And if I hadn't, I know for sure I could have got there. Would. What's your. What's your. What's your take on guys that do this and consistently do it like. Like multiple plays?
- [43:20]
B
I mean, the. The first thing we learned, Debo, was to get to the ball. You know what I'm saying? And then the difference was in the NFL was that everybody has to be touched down. Everybody has to be touched down. So as a cornerback, they always made sure that they taught us, you know what I'm saying? If the receiver catches, it goes down. Make sure you make sure you down and make sure you touch them down. So my biggest thing is always trying finish the play. You never was going to happen as. As a db, I'm trying to cover when the quarterback falls down. I know it was funny because the defensive lineman, you're trying to just go touch the quarterback because you can get.
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A
Hey, they trying to get there fast.
- [43:53]
B
They run into that quarterback so fast.
- [43:55]
A
I gotta get to it.
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B
Oh, oh, that's me. That's me. That's the sack. That's the easiest sack in the world. So, like, I'm like, when that went, them boys was trying to steal that. I would never be able to touch somebody on the ground before they would touch them. So my whole thing was I would know, like, get him down. My defensive linemen were always thirsty for those extra. Those extra sacks. But, I mean, I don't. I don't mean to want to fault him in that, but at the end of the day, like, you. You would d. Lineman to blow play into the whistle. It's the fourth quarter, hopefully if he is down, you could, like, like, steal the sack. Make sure. Like, make sure the referees blow the whistle. If you didn't hear nothing, like, keep. Keep Going. I don't know if you heard a whistle or something, but like, he, he was. He. He stood up to it. It's a. It's a mistake. I know he didn't mean any harm by it. And it hu. Lose the game. You could really just went in there, probably tapped him down, you know what I'm saying?
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A
But when even in the process of him getting back up, it was stop, start, stop, start, stop start, bro.
- [44:50]
B
He was just looking like. Like he was glitching. Like, is this play really happening or is it blown down? Did he really get up, fall down, get up, fall down. But yeah, so I think he knew it was a mistake. Get to the. If you don't. If you see these. If you see him running, hit him. It's still live action. We still in the game. You know what I'm saying?
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A
Like.
- [45:07]
B
Like, referee's gonna let you know when the play's over.
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A
Oh, yeah, no question about that. Yeah, I think that's, you know, and I. I think you add into it the fact that he might have been tired too. You might have been saying, you know, fatigue will make a coward out all of a sudden.
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B
On the ball, on the ball, on the ball.
- [45:25]
A
Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, ah, it's, you know, it's hit and miss. But I, I respect the fact that he owned up to it and, you know, was like, yeah, yeah, that's definitely something that shouldn't happen as a captain.
- [45:41]
B
As a leader, you know, iron the sky, don't lie the tape. You looking at it like this. What do you. You got a person just standing on the tape. Like, that's not a good look. You post. The game's going on, sir.
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A
Run.
- [45:51]
B
You know what I'm saying? If you, if you need one, we'll get you one in there. I know there's plenty of little. The backup dude ready to get in the game. Thirsty for. Thirsty for action. Like, if you can't run, get out, but you don't want to harm yourself. Yeah, yeah.
- [46:03]
A
Like, if my, you know, if my. If my 50 is still better than the dude behind me. Fresh 100. Like, why do we even have him on the team? Like, we got to get out of here. We gotta get out, evaluate and be able to be like, yo, let me get out of here, get some breath if that's the case, and then pop back in and, you know, two, three plays or whatever. But when it's in that situation, you're that close, you know, you're thinking, oh, man, I gotta stand here. I gotta. I Gotta do what I can. But when it turns out looking like that, and you could have had a fresh body in there that was going 100 miles an hour, you know, it makes you. It makes you rethink the situation. So a thousand percent, 100%, you know, agree. Understand all that. But at least he took ownership for it, man.
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B
Yeah. No, that's the biggest part. Like, just not trying to make excuses for it. Like Chris Jones, a grown ass man.
- [46:54]
A
And like saying, I don't know who my backup quarterback is, you know, like. And you only got two of them on the damn team. Me, I don't know. Y' all over there, y'. All, Y' all messed up over there, man. Speaking of that, the Rams linebacker Jared Verse stated that he'd be furious if Lamar Jackson isn't playing on Sunday. He said that Lamar was on his sack list with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. You know, I think. What do you think when, when guys.
- [47:23]
B
You, you are a linebacker, so you sacking the quarterback. What do you think about this?
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A
Me?
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B
Yes.
- [47:32]
A
Now. So here, here. Again, I don't want to give bulletin board material. Okay? Okay. The reason I like it and dislike it. I dislike it because you just gave bulletin board material of personally getting a sack on Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. Now, what you also did is said, I'm a whoop the lines of the Ravens, the Bills and the Chiefs. So now you just told all three of these people that, yo, I'm putting these on my sack list, so I gotta play them. It don't matter who the hell is in front of me and to hell with all that. So you just gave bullets and bore material. Now, in the fact of, if you put it like this, I had. Actually, I did an interview. I don't know if we could play, but I did an interview with Bill Cower and they were asking a question like, if you saw, I believe it was Terrell Suggs broke down on the side of the road coming into the game on Sunday, would you pick him up? And I said, yes, I would pick him up. The reason I would pick him up is because I want their team at full strength. So there's no excuses why you lost this game. You weren't missing anybody, nobody was hurt, and everybody was there, healthy, on time, prepared. Now, that is an answer that I would love to hear and go for, of course, because I gave it, you know, but the reasoning is because I want you at full strength. So there's no excuse on why you lost this game. You weren't missing anyone. The I'm going to get a sack on these three guys means I'm going to get a sack on these three guys and I'm a whoop. Whoever the hell is in front of me, no matter what they do, they ain't going to be able to stop me. That's why I like it and don't like it. What about you?
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B
So I'm more. I don't like offensive play. I mean defensive players, you gonna have to go deal with them. So I, I like, I like that he's saying it because he's gonna have. He has a job to do. He's gonna be able to. He doesn't have to go against these tackles and get the job done. Bulletin board material is not something that I like for anybody to do. You know what I'm saying? There's no kind of, no reason for it. I don't think you know what I'm saying? I'm not mad of the day. You're gonna have to go out there, you're gonna have to perform and you're gonna have to stand on what you did. And that's you saying that isn't gonna make my job any more difficult. I'm gonna have to go out here and cover these people and do. Do my. Do my job. So I just want them to. If you do talk, I just want you to perform. So at the end of the game when we watching the tape, whether what you talking about, don't be getting thrown all out the club. Let me see you going to work, you know what I'm saying? Like be going to work and be on your shit. So then we good. You went and got you on one because being able to go, you go, you want to. We're going against the best anyway. So saying like bucket list stuff. He's not knocking them, he's saying basically he's giving them love. Lamar Jackson's goat, Patrick Mahomes fire. Josh Allen. Amazing. If once I do that, that's bucket list. Like I'm gonna do that. Those dudes are the best of the best and when I get them, I'm geeked about it. So it's in a respectful way, but it's in the same way, like you gotta go do it. So I'm not against it, but go ball out and just don't be out there looking crazy because then when you get to looking crazy, you. You're gonna get a couple shots to go like talking shit. How you gonna back it up? I mean, if you backing it up, I'M not mad at you because I'm. I'm not the one that's gonna be out there talking. I'm gonna go in there, give no bulletin board material. I know it's a job that's gonna be done. These dudes gonna be trying to whoop my tail regardless. So I'm not gonna get her. No reason to go any extra. I'm just gonna go out there, handle my business, step off, be geeked, and other dudes go about it. They. They way. You know what I'm saying? It's cool. But don't be out here talking CR and putting me in a position to be having to do. Handle your business. And then you out here looking crazy. Crazy if you handling business and you talking, talking shit and laying names. Let's go. I'm right behind you. Let's rock out.
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A
You know what I'm saying? Did you have any. Did you have any team or players, opponents that you look forward to during your career?
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B
So, honestly, it was in a bad. I look forward to playing Antonio Brown. Look forward to playing you guys. Us when I was with the Browns.
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A
No, you right. You guys say it again.
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B
When I was with the Browns. When I was with the Browns, I look forward to playing against the Steelers because Antonio Brown and Big Ben and Mike T. That was unbelievable, the connection. We. Because we came in together, me and Ab came in 2010. I was first, and then he got. He was like, fifth round went to the Steelers. Him with Manuel Sanders came in that joint. And y' all have Mike Wallace, too. So I look forward to playing AB Because I knew the Browns, they would put me out to dry. Joe, you in first round. You get paid the big bucks. You got A.B. you know what I'm saying? That's your job. That's your thing. So then it was a B. I look forward to playing him because I knew he was going to come with the work, and I knew I was going to get put on SportsCenter or if I made a play, I was going to be on Sports Center. And then it was A.J. green. I was always looking forward to playing him, too, because sometimes Andy had throw me 1. But AJ would sometimes get me to work. But I knew, like, these dudes are capable. If I come out here tripping, I can get embarrassed, you know what I'm saying? Like, they got me man to man versus these dudes out on the island. My mom and kids and family are watching. There's nothing funny.
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A
Everybody.
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B
Mama hit my papa here, my granny, wife, like my kids. Everybody watching So I just know I'm in this game. We're playing man to man. We're single high, so it's. It's. It can be vertical ball stone. So I need to make sure I'm.
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A
Dropping the other man in the box and worry about that run back then, baby.
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B
Come on, man. I was. Yeah, they were just. Yeah, go over there. So it was really Antonio Brown and Ben mainly, and then A.J.
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A
Green.
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B
How about you? You look forward to playing any quarterbacks or, like, one of the dog, like, knew any lines was weak?
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A
Dude, I look forward to playing everybody. I played mind games with myself, dude. The fact that a team showed up and they didn't forfeit, I ain't lying, dog. I took it at this like, you came here because you thought you had an opportunity to win, to whoop my ass, to beat us, to dominate, whatever that process is that you need to come away with that w. You. I don't. So I'm mind gaming myself from. From the beginning that you even showed up. You know that. That gotta be disrespectful to me. You should have just went on here. Y' all had. Coach should have been like, yo, we saying what we saying. We only want to step out there. Let's forfeit this, man.
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B
I know how good we are.
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A
You know what I'm saying? We don't want to get nobody hurt. We don't want to get quarterback put to sleep, running back, receiver, whatever. It was like. So that was the mind game I played with myself. I mean, even as, you know, I started, you know, in my career and, you know, I was all pro and all that. Each year I came in and I'm like, I'm hoping and praying that they draft a. A linebacker, outside linebacker, because now I'm already in my head. Are you drafting his dude to replace me? Huh? Okay, I got something for you. Like, each year I came in, bro, I'm fighting to make this team. Yeah. I got a contract that's guaranteed. I'm not even thinking about that.
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B
I gotta make sure when you trying to be that. That's that mindset too. Debunk. When you a dog and you really trying to be the best of the best and the best you can possibly be of anything, nothing else that nobody else really got going on matters. And you kind of come in a competition with yourself, like. Like, I'm gonna be the best because I'm gonna work harder than everybody. I'm gonna show you, and I'm gonna dominate, like. And there's nothing nobody can really Tell you. So when you discipline, you're gonna be in place on time, you're gonna eat certain things, you're gonna act a certain way because you know you gotta go. You know what I'm saying? So that whole mental state, I feel like that I know that you're on. And when certain football, when players get into that zone and like. Like, you know, greatness when you see it. Cause, you know, people are trying to really strive to something. Like, they're working on some of their discipline. They coming in this joint, they're. They're dedicated, they're focused. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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A
Like, each year I would come in and, you know, I'm re. Relearning the defense, and I do my flashcards and all that. And through that process, you know, everybody like, yo, bro, you've been here for, like, six years. What you doing, bro? I'm like, I'm learning the defense, dude. I need to know what I need to do. So once I got down, what it was that I knew I had to do to where I could look at the. Hear the call and be like, okay, I got to do this, that, and the third. And if something happens, it's a nuance of it of this. Now I need to know. Know what my end is doing, and then I need to know what my corner is doing. Then I need to know what my safety is doing. I need to know what my inside linebacker is doing. So now I know what this whole half of the line over here is doing. Why? Because if I know what everybody over here is doing and I have nothing in my area, I know what I can do to better help my teammate, which helps us, which helps the whole team.
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B
And.
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A
And same thing. Now from there, I'm like, all right, I want to know what's happening on the other side, what that. What that corner is doing, what that safety is doing, you know what I'm saying? So that I, again, if nothing's here, I can better help them help myself. Same thing. All right? I know my corner, he gonna be sitting here squatting right here so I could go ahead. And when I see that little. That he go do, I don't even gotta bite on it, because I know my corner gonna be sitting there. I could go ahead, get back, because I know they about to try and throw the seven cars behind me. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, things like that. So, yeah, for me, it was. It was a mind game that I. I was. I was able to play with myself, like, all the way until the end of my career, bro.
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B
That's the way to do it, bro. And then I bet when you. When you get into it like that, too, and you start learning your position and not only just your stuff, you start learning everybody else's, you start meeting. When your linebacker knows his job, job, and your job and everybody else's, that communication is, like, so effortless. Y' all looking at something and see it without seeing, like. Like this. Y' all know what's about to happen.
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A
All right?
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B
Bet he go here. I'm gonna go here. Like, it's just that soft communication. So, like, it's just. It just starts.
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A
And that's the same thing, dude. Like, when you blitzing, you know you faking a blitz. If I'm sitting up here faking strings.
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B
It'S strings attached, right? Somebody has to be moving.
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A
Like, I'm about to come down. I need my safety back here to play with me. Like, he's rolling down to that curl flat now. When he see the two, he like, oh, yeah, it's about to be a real blitz. And now we drop out of there. Yes, now we sitting there. And, you know, I'm sitting out here on the 2, and I'm supposed to be blitzing, but the damn safety done came and sat right behind me because he don't want to play on the street. Listen, dude, if I'm sitting here and you come sit behind me, he know I'm coming. Don't give me up behind me for nothing. Get on the string with me, man. And then come down when you see me take off because you're giving him an opportunity to read the mail before we even delivered it, dude. Like, they're like, yo, yeah, we got it on tracking GPS right here. Yeah, it's coming they three blocks down. Like, you're not helping the situation. And that's something else. Like, you got younger guys. That's why when you get older guys, groups like we had, you know, from like 2007 to 12, 6, 5, whatever it is. Like, you got a group of dudes that's been with each other for a while, so they know and understand every concept of this defense and what needs to be done to make the defense better, to make each player better. If you go out there year, and you know, I'm doing my job well, but my corner is doing his job even better, and my D line is doing it. It's going to make me look as if I am doing far better than what I may actually be doing, which will help you get some Money down the line. If you're a person that's there and your D line is rushing the passer like crazy and he has to throw that rock and you a db, he got to get rid of it. Now you getting more pissed six because he's slinging. He. He ducking. He. He gunning and ducking. Like easy word.
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B
You're not out there covering for six seconds right now.
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A
If I got. If I got, you know, my. My DBs, I got y' all out there and y' all covering like. Like, you know, flies on. I get more time to get to the quarterback.
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B
Thousand percent. It all worked together.
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A
Yeah. So listen, before we get out of here, we gotta thank you guys for joining.
- [59:44]
B
Yes.
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A
Sibo and Joe. Okay, again, make sure you guys like and subscribe, but we're gonna be back here on Monday and somebody is playing on Sunday. We playing against y' all bum ass. So you rooting for Joe, huh?
- [60:04]
B
Who I'm looking for?
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A
Why you make like you can't hear every time I ask you this, huh?
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B
Huh? I told you what I'm doing. I'm rooting for a good game. I hope Dylan Gabriel goes out there. I want to see what he going to do, man. Let's see.
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A
Let's want to see what he going to do or you want him to do a certain thing? I can tell you what I want Aaron Rodgers to do. I can tell you what I want. What I want the defense. I can tell you what I want the offense to do. I want him to come out there, run the ball down Cleveland's motherfucking throat, and Aaron Rodgers pass for another 300, come away from that game with 600 yards, defense go out there, get 10 sacks, three picks, two touchdowns, and they don't get nothing but three yards. That's what I want. What you want, Joe?
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B
I don't. I don't want that. I. I'm. I want. I want it to be probably, let's say two. I want two great defensive games, you know, offense both play, you know what I'm saying? Pretty well, you know. And you know, both teams lead the stadium, you know what I'm saying? Feeling like. Feeling good and feeling like they move, they're moving in a positive direction. That's what I want.
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A
I know he ain't talking to me. Who the hell is he talking to? He feeding some. I mean, he think I'm supposed to.
- [61:24]
B
Eat that and believe that? Hey, man, what's up? I just told you, I felt it. Look, it's past the time, man.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, man, y' all come back here Monday, okay? Joe, go be here. Let's see what Joe wearing on Monday, because I promise you, if you come in some Cleveland gear, and by the grace of God some way, they done prayed hard enough to get through to the Lord, and they done give him a W. You come in here laughing and gloating and smiling. Have some Cleveland stuff on. On. I'm g. I'm a snap. I'm coming right there to va. Hey.
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B
Man, listen, y' all come live, man. Catch me and Debo, man. Make sure y', all, like, subscribe. Catch us on Monday so you can see, you know what I'm saying, how Debo feels after the game. I know how I'm gonna feel. You know what I'm saying? I'm. I'm gonna. I'm gonna feel like either. I'm gonna feel like my two teams play, and I'm gonna know if one is going to. If it's going really, really good or really, really bad. That's what I'm going to know.
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A
Listen, man, y' all come back here Monday for this Stiller W. And we out. This is an iHeart podcast.