Deebo & Joe EPISODE 100 - Part 1

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe EPISODE 100, Part 1 (May 4, 2026)

Host: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden
Main Theme:
A candid, playful, and insightful conversation between former NFL teammates Deebo and Joe, celebrating Deebo’s birthday, reflecting on basketball and football fandom, rookie jersey sales, quirky pre-game eating habits, and behind-the-scenes NFL organizational politics—especially the Cleveland Browns’ intriguing front office moves.

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1. Episode Overview

This milestone 100th episode features Deebo and Joe in classic form: mixing banter, in-depth football talk, hilarious anecdotes, and passionate debates. The episode covers:

• Deebo’s (alleged) 48th birthday
• Playoff basketball, especially Joe’s Cavaliers fandom
• Rookie NFL jersey sales & fan hype
• NFL player pre-game rituals and eating habits
• Serious talk about the Browns’ confusing front office decisions and what it means for the organization

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2. Opening Banter & Deebo’s Birthday Celebration

Timestamps: 04:01–08:45

Key Points:

• Joe starts by congratulating Deebo on his birthday, teasing him about his age.
  • “Not my good man, my great man, Debo.” – Joe (04:36)
  • Deebo insists he's 38, Joe insists on 48, with playful ribbing about aging in sports.
  • Both joke about losing track of their ages:
    • “I couldn't remember what I was turning. I'm like, bruh... I had to sit back. I had to be like, all right, 78. No, no, no, I'm turning. I'm like, no, no, I'm turning 48.” – Deebo (06:10)

Memorable Moments:

• The camaraderie is on full display; Joe jokes:
  • “You aging like fine wine, brother. You know what I'm saying?” (05:12)
• Deebo genuinely isn’t sure of his own age, reflecting athlete mindset:
  • “I thought I was going 49 for a minute.” (06:22)

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3. NBA Playoffs Talk – Cavaliers & Hometown Loyalty

Timestamps: 08:45–10:00

Key Points:

• Joe celebrates his Cavaliers’ Game 7 win; Deebo asks why Cleveland needed seven games.
• Teasing between Steelers and Browns/Cavs loyalties, hometown pressure.
• Discussion about “standing on” one’s sports loyalty and fan back-and-forth.

Notable Quotes:

• “They’re getting tired of that bullfraggle rock... Pick a side and stick to it.” – Deebo (06:48)
• “My dad's a reverend. I'm going to heaven. Cavs in seven. That's all I know.” – Joe (07:57)

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4. Rookie NFL Jersey Sales & Fan Base Psychology

Timestamps: 10:00–16:01

Key Points:

• Deebo introduces the top rookie jersey sales:
  • Steelers’ Drew Aller is top-five, ahead of hyped rookies like Fernando Mendoza.
  • Discussion on why certain players sell more jerseys: fan culture, local ties, "hype vs. hope".
• Cowboys fans are roasted for their "delusional" championship hopes—30 years without a Super Bowl.
• Steelers fans described as more grounded but equally loyal.

Memorable Quotes:

• “What they looking for is... two things: expectations player... and the fan base that they going to. How dedicated are the fans?” – Deebo (10:52)
• “Hey, it's the Cowboys. The Cowboys, like, they are already delusional. Mind control. I'm dead serious, bro.” – Deebo (14:29)
• “They ain't won nothing but five playoff games in the last 30 years. Since then, they ain't made it out of the divisional round, period.” – Deebo (14:49)

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5. Athlete Pre-Game Eating Habits—From Superstitions to Comedy

Timestamps: 21:48–29:01

Key Points:

• Deebo marvels at NFL rookie Jennings Dunker's bonkers pre-game meals:
  • “Two to three pasta servings, marinara bread rolls, a 12—Whoa, God... Three hamburgers, three baked legs, hydration mix, hot chocolate... four pieces of toast, two Wheaties, bowls, pancakes, two chicken breasts...” – Deebo (22:08–23:33)
• Joe and Deebo compare their own pre-game routines:
  • Joe: “I'm doing the pasta… spaghetti and chicken breast, bruh.”
  • Deebo: Kent State days—“You get two large pizzas before the game. That was our dinner... We made damn near 70, 80% of the money... It wasn’t because we was good, bro. We sucked.” (25:15–25:47)
• Deebo’s Papa John’s pizza ritual becomes a locker room tradition. Gatorade treated like wine.

Notable Moments:

• “I still get a whole pizza to myself, for sure.” – Deebo (28:47)
• “The Papa John's pizza with that sauce ain't nothing, bruh.” – Joe (30:05)
• “Jets got the Turbo Crust, bruh. I'm telling you, when you come here, you got to find you a Jets, bro. Make sure Turbo crust.” – Deebo (31:27)

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6. Browns’ QB Competition & Coach Monken’s “Brownspeak”

Timestamps: 32:01–36:50

Key Points:

• Spotlight on Browns OC Todd Monken’s evasive answers about naming a starting QB.
• Debate about whether it's wise to avoid naming a starter early or just adds confusion.
• The constant carousel of preseason rep splits between Deshaun Watson, Shador Sanders, and others.

Notable Quote:

• “Why not just say, well, we're going to know who our starting quarterback is before the first regular season game. Leave it at that and keep it going. Because all this stuff he's saying right here, it sound like anybody could be the quarterback.” – Deebo (34:11)

• Joe’s take: “I think that when you say things like just only had—they've only had three practices. You know, there's time…” (35:04)

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7. Cleveland Browns’ Consultant Controversy (Trent Baalke Hire)

Timestamps: 41:09–51:44

Key Points:

• Browns have hired controversial ex-GM Trent Baalke in a consultant role.
• Both express confusion, suspicion: Baalke’s track record is poor—why bring him in?
• Concern that more “cooks in the kitchen” could undercut current GM Andrew Berry.
• Possible organizational power dynamics, “spy” theories: is the owner hedging bets on Berry?

Notable Quotes:

• “What is it about old Trent that y' all Browns see that makes your organization want to bring him in to consult about what? How not to do it?” – Deebo (44:21)
• “I'm just trying to see who's trying to sabotage it, that's all. Is it the owner? Is it the GM himself?” – Deebo (46:24)
• “We got the Podesta out of there... I feel like you're bringing in handcuffs, Andrew. I don't want it to be just on you.” – Joe (45:28)
• “That's like a spy.” – Joe (50:08)
• “My shepherd, he know what I want.” – Deebo, mixing biblical humor with football hope (52:44)

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8. Closing: Organizational Dysfunction as Browns Tradition

Timestamps: 51:44–53:32

Key Points:

• Deebo relishes the Browns’ tendency toward off-field drama as a Steelers man.
• Joe is exasperated, wants the organization to get out of its own way.

Memorable Moments:

• “I like when y' all do it to yourselves. Because that meant... It's cell phone self warfare. Like y' all can't even get out of your own way.” – Deebo (52:11)

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9. Notable Quotes Highlight Reel

• Deebo on Cowboys fans: "They ain't won nothing but five playoff games in the last 30 years. Since then, they ain't made it out of the divisional round, period.” (14:49)
• Joe on Browns front office: “Leave us alone. Don't come over here with your losing vibes.” (44:54)
• Deebo’s celebration: “My shepherd, he know what I want.” (52:44)
• On pre-game rituals: “I still get a whole pizza to myself, for sure... we was breaking bread, acting. But it was great, bro.” – Deebo (28:47)
• On owner interference: “You think you gonna tell me how to run a business and who I want to put in there? Hell no, you not. You ain't nothing but a millionaire. I'm a billionaire. You'll do as I say, when I say it.” – Deebo (50:28)

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10. Final Sentiments

The episode is packed with NFL and NBA insight, personal anecdotes, and constant witty interplay between two pros who love both the games and the banter. Deebo and Joe don’t shy away from hard truths about dysfunctional teams—or from celebrating what keeps sports truly fun: arguing about loyalty, eating traditions, and the endless quest to find out “whose house is actually in order.”

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If you’re a Browns or Steelers fan (or just love great sports talk with a comedic edge), this episode is essential listening!

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[Joe Hayden]

Hey, how you doing today, Joe? Brother Debo, I'm doing amazing. Two reasons. One reason my Cleveland Cavaliers won game seven yesterday. I know you saw your boy out there.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm just understanding why they had to get all the way to game seven. They had to go all the way to seven. That's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

How do you depot not with the negativity today. I'm not here.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm just asking.

[Joe Hayden]

The first thing is we went and won game seven. And the second thing is I'm very excited about is this my good man's birthday today?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

Not my good man, my great man, Debo.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Thank you. Thank you very much, man. You know, I'm getting up there, baby. 30. Just. Just turn 38, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, Deo. You have 50. You are out here lying 10 years. You are 48 years old. A healthy, strong talking about. You need to take that 48 to the chin because you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Bruh, I'm trying to tell you right now, bro, you look good.

[Joe Hayden]

48.

[James DeBo Harrison]

So I just. I just turned. I just turned 38. You upset? Because we are. We ain't nothing but a year apart. You just realized that, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

No. D.C. debo, you. You're funny. It's okay. It's okay.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You're upset.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't be mad.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm not mad, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You aging like fine wine, brother. You know what I'm saying?

[James DeBo Harrison]

I ain't upset. I'm just trying to figure out why you trying, you know, why are you trying to, you know put an extra 10 on your boy because you're 50 for real.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why. Okay. And I love you, Debo.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I love you, too, man, But I've got more. 38 the chat. 38.

[Joe Hayden]

Now that, boys. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to the chat. My good man. Debo is 48 years old. May 4th. A good man was born. And now he is 48 years old and thriving.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hey, Joe, let me keep it 100 with you, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Keep it a bean. Keep it a bean with me.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I couldn't remember what I was turning. I'm like, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm like, oh, I might be 49. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Them numbers get.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What's going on?

[Joe Hayden]

The numbers get to running together, Joe.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I had to sit back. I had to be like, all right, 78. No, no, no, I'm turning. I'm like, no, no, I'm turning 48. No, I ain't already 40. I was like, Joe, I thought I was going 49 for a minute.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I was going 49 for me.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to take your time. You got to take your time. So happy birthday to you, Debo.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Thank you, brother. Appreciate it.

[Joe Hayden]

Very, very happy. And I'm gonna say when we had to go to game seven and bump all that we did. You see, we won the game. Jerry Allen. Shout out.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I understand. I understand.

[Joe Hayden]

Shout out to the Cavs. We trying to go and get busy. We trying to win the ship here.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You do a lot of. We in Cleveland, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

I do. We in Pittsburgh, too, but you get.

[James DeBo Harrison]

No, no. They're getting tired of that bullfraggle rock.

[Joe Hayden]

They're getting tired of it.

[James DeBo Harrison]

They getting tired of it. I see them. They like, joe, pick a side and stick to it. They, like, stand on something.

[Joe Hayden]

I've been standing on it. I've been standing on it. I'm standing on. Hey, know what it is.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm rocking with. Hey, you know what it is?

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'll just say this, but I love. And y' all get this, right?

[Joe Hayden]

What's up?

[James DeBo Harrison]

What up, though? You know where y' all gotta see. Where you gotta go? Detroit. You guys. Detroit.

[Joe Hayden]

We do. We do.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We do. We do the pisses. What up, though? That's Detroit for y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All. Can I tell you something? They went to game seven with number eight ranked Orlando, so trying to warm up. Well, why they go to game seven? You say all that? They were trying to warm up. So the cast was trying to warm up. We were just, you know, What I'm

[James DeBo Harrison]

saying, because listen, it was already 31 1, Joe. It was three ones. The people, they're like, hey, can you guys stretch this out? We need to get a 7. We need the ratings. All that other stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

All that calves look

[James DeBo Harrison]

like, come on.

[Joe Hayden]

My dad's a reverend. I'm going to heaven. Calves in seven. That's all I know.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Oh, my God. Get out of here, man. Get out.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you come get that. Yes, sir. You come get that. That's all I'm telling you. I'm going to have it. My dad's a rapping calves and sad Cunningham, though. Hey. Oh, he's nice. What I'm not going to do is sit here and disrespect. We gonna need my man, huh? We gonna. We got Donovan Mitchell, we got James Harden, and we have a young. We have a man named Jerry Allen that brings his lunch pail to work every day. This man wore the same pair of shoes the entire season. He's not worried about nothing but getting a bucket and getting some rebounds and doing what he gotta do for the team to win.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Dude, that's probably superstition. He don't wanna change his shoes, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

It gotta be superstition. I don't care. It's making me look like he's a gangster. You gonna wear one pair of shoes for the whole season, bro? Dave must got amazing, bro.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You can't do that. That's. No, brother. That's some games, right?

[Joe Hayden]

He's wearing one pair of shoes and he has a hole in them joints right now. And he still got 22 and 19 with a hole in his boot. That man Jerry Allen is a full blown gangster, bro.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm not. I don't. I. That's not. That's not. That can't be good for your ankles. He ain't got no stability, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

He's wearing ankle braces. He. He's an old school player. He played in the 70s. Jared Allen is reincarnated. He was born before he played back in the day and now he's back again.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He was here once before. I'm trying to tell you, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm trying to. He's wearing old.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And he's wearing his shoes from back then too, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. That man Jerry Allen is a gangster. That's why the. That's why Cleveland loves him. Work pale work boots. Work ankle braces.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Ankle braces. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, man, shout out Jerry Allen.

[James DeBo Harrison]

For sure. For sure. Look here, man. Yes, our quarterback. Say his name. Okay, I got it.

[Joe Hayden]

Drew Aller.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Quarterback Drew Aller.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Ranks top five in rookie jersey sales. He's higher than Mendoza. He is only what it's only three people ahead of him. It's Caleb Dials, Jacob Rodriguez. Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Malachi Lawrence.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Malachi Lawrence is him. And then your boy Fernando Mendozas, he tops out the five.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

So Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes sir.

[James DeBo Harrison]

There's something that people don't understand or may not understand. Like, like while being drafted high is a.

[Joe Hayden]

Is a good thing.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What they looking for is. I think it's two things. Expectations player, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Like so what's the hype behind them? You know and then it's the fan base that they going to. How dedicated are the fans? Joe? Do you have fans that, that feel, you know, you are corrected to their team? They feel like family. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Do they bleed black and yellow Joe? Hey, that boy Drew alert, he played Penn State homegrown.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what they feel like. That's what they feel like. That's what they feel like. They feel like they know that man.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And the fan, hey, like you. Yes. The fans knowing. Yes. They feel like they know him. That's, that's, that's they guy. You know what I'm saying? When you go to hell, Pitt, Penn State and pit play, that's the only time you get some rookies now because most people go, go with pit because it's closer to home. You know what I'm saying? Unless you are actual fan of pit already.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Or a Penn State. Sorry. Unless you're a fan of Penn State already then you know, you may, you may switch it up and I mean that's simple mathematics when you look at it, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, you look at it Debo, when you're looking at these top jersey sales, obviously like you said, our man's in there. Drew Aller is because Penn State homegrown in the, in the, in the state. So everybody's going to buy this jersey. Caleb Downs, the Dallas Cowboys fans are all in. And then the dude, he's probably the best player that was in the draft. So you know the Cowboys going to go crazy. Fernando Mendoza being five and Drew Aller being over him kind of surprised me because obviously quarterback, he was expected to be the number one pick. He's coming in, he's clean cut, does it the right way. So I was expecting his jersey sales to be higher. So I think Drew Allen, I think the Steelers nation just stood up because they obviously we want a quarterback, we want somebody to be successful. Somebody wants somebody to hold on to and then him Being from Penn State, him being in the state, I feel like that just made it extra, extra good for everybody in Pittsburgh.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Dude. Mendoza is number five because it is not a lot of hype behind him. He's in a draft class that is considered the weakest since 2022. Draft class. He's in Las Vegas. He's from Indiana. So there's no real change of a crossover from college to pro. Matter of fact, the 22 draft, bruh, that was when we ended up getting Kenny Pickett's fitness quarterback.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, we.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We went and got Kenny Pickens, okay? The dude's number, he was like, I don't know, 13. I don't know what his number was. It didn't matter. His jersey sales was number one for all rookies, and it was actually number four across the whole league. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And that was because of the hype that was behind him. He was supposed to be the quarterback that was go take over for the air apparent he was gonna be the. The replacement for Ben. He was gon franchise quarterback, and that was supposed to be the dude that was go take over since being that retired. Yeah, none of that happened. But there go the fans again. The guys you said at what, one and three?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Got you got. You got two Cowboys at one and three.

[Joe Hayden]

They now fans gonna pay that.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hey, it's the Cowboys. The Cowboys, like, they are already delusional. Mind control. I'm dead serious, bro. Like, their fans are talking about Reading boys every year, bro. And they ain't seen a championship since 95, 96, 30 years.

[Joe Hayden]

I know I'm.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm 30 years, bro. They ain't won nothing but five playoff games in the last 30 years. Since then, they ain't made it out of the divisional round, period.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, I know. I'm with you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We ain't hollering about. We about to go to. Hey, hey, here we Pittsburgh going to the Super Bowl. We was only out of it for 10. Y' all been out of for 30.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah,

[James DeBo Harrison]

y' all talking crazy. Delusional.

[Joe Hayden]

But the crazy part is, though, Debo, their teams aren't that bad. Their teams, they never don't have talent. They never don't have players that are out there. So if I'm there, if I'm their fan base, you thinking when you look at the roster on paper, it looked like you should win something. So that's why I'm like, I'm not blaming them, bro.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I don't care. Listen, I don't care nothing about none of that. They have delusional fans. Everybody is in the hunt when the season start because ain't nobody played the game or lost yet Won or lost yet, hell and tell. Oh you got the Cleveland should be in last year he was drafted in the fifth round who Jersey sales number one as a rookie yes in the top five as a whole league yes

[Joe Hayden]

yes I admit it.

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Oh, yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

It's a. The hype was behind you. Where you go? The fan base. Y' all delusional, too.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You know, every year, y' all think y' all go get to the playoffs and win, and the team go do right. And they go. They go. They go.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Things to get people and all that other stuff. Yeah. And y' all keep sitting there and y' all sitting there in the dog counter.

[Joe Hayden]

We debo this debo it. Hates. It hurts. It hurts me to say that. You keep on saying that. That. And we. My Browns beat the Steelers the last time they played in the playoffs. So all that you talk if. If it was the fifth, we all be drunk and you only as good as your last game. So all that. All that back in the day. I don't want to hear it. Okay, Y', all.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We.

[Joe Hayden]

The Steelers ain't won the Super Bowl. The Steelers ain't won a playoff game before the Browns did. Okay?

[James DeBo Harrison]

We Won the Super Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

Y' all definitely won a Super Bowl. We definitely won Super Bowl. And that's when. Yeah, yeah, you did. You did.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I think we got six of them.

[Joe Hayden]

We won a championship. Jim Brown got one. That's back in the day. That was back in the day.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Championship in the 50s when it wasn't even a whole league. The didn't even had number, what, six.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James DeBo Harrison]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not trying to even go there with you right now, brother.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just asking questions. Sometimes stating questions, sometimes stating facts, sometimes

[Joe Hayden]

stating you're gonna keep watching. I think in my head every single day.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Like, it's crazy how you don't want to talk about something when the conversation don't start. It start, you know, getting a little iffy over there in Cleveland. I don't understand it, Joe. But we're gonna stay over here in Pittsburgh because we got good things going on here.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Okay. So, my guy.

[Joe Hayden]

What's up?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Jennings, Dunker, Big Red. Hey. This dude eating something crazy, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

Is this. Is this real?

[James DeBo Harrison]

This is what they're saying, dude. So the night before at 5:30pm it's two to three pasta servings.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Marinara bread rolls, a 12.

[Joe Hayden]

Whoa, God. Yes. That's what I'm saying.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Two fruit servings. Okay, so later that day at 8 or that evening at 8:30pm Three hours, hamburgers. Three hamburgers. Three. Three baked legs. Hydration mix, Hot chocolate.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

First thing in the morning.

[Joe Hayden]

Wake up in the morning.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He got four pieces of toast. Yeah. Two wheaties, bowls, pancakes, two chicken breasts. 9:00am Four more toast plus one chicken breast in the post game. Culver's. You ever ate at Culver's?

[Joe Hayden]

I have not.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I wouldn't. I wasn't overly impressed. It's a double. They ain't got no Culver's here, so you're gonna be out of luck, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

What's a burger spot?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah, it's a burger spot. It's supposed to be. I wasn't impressed. I ate it in Arizona. That's the same thing with, like, that in and out, that in and out burger.

[Joe Hayden]

In and out. In and out burger is good.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Bro, that ain't nothing but a greasy McDonald's burger.

[Joe Hayden]

No, it's not.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Stop playing with me. Post game, you do the Culver's double bacon cheese family? Family cheese curds, onions ring, onion rings, and three ranch sides. Yeah, this right here. I mean, it's before the game. I Can see he carving up, bruh. How much do he weigh?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. The, the pregame. The pregame isn't as crazy for me. I mean, all together, 7:15, you're get. The man got eight toast before the game, two, three tricking breasts, two wheaties, bowls, some pancakes and eight pieces of toast the morning before the game. That's a lot of food.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He's talking about a 12 o' clock game, man.

[Joe Hayden]

He must be talking about one o' clock game.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He might be one of them cats that got to eat a lot to keep their weight.

[Joe Hayden]

I would.

[Jacob Goldstein]

He.

[Joe Hayden]

He has to, because otherwise he would be humongous.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Like, did you have any foods that you would eat, like, you know, every time before?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. I'm doing the pasta, I'm doing the, I'm doing like the. What was it? The noodles with the. Yes. I'm doing like spaghetti, basically, before the game with the chicken breast. That's my thing. That's it, that's it. That's it. Spaghetti and chicken breast, bruh. Cause my stomach be messed up before the game. I feel, I feel like I really can't eat, but I gotta get something in. So the spaghetti and chicken breast is just normal, smooth, cool. I know it's gonna taste the same every time. So I just was going with that, get something in my belly and go. Because before the game, I'm. I ain't gonna lie deep. I always had not butterflies. But the night before, the night before. Nothing. Nothing specific. Yeah, nothing specific, bro. I just. Yeah, probably the same. I was probably eating the same thing. I was eating that spaghetti the night before because, you know, the team meal, they always got the spaghetti with the chicken breast. Hit that and in the morning come back down and do the same thing.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Well, see, we ain't had that when I, When I, When I came up. Well, as far as college, I started in college. So in college they would give us. You get like two pizzas. You get two large pizzas before the game. And that was our dinner. Like we was at Kent State, bro. Yeah, that's, you know, that's all they could afford at the time, you know. Well, at least that's what we thought. But looking back at it, that was a damn lie. Because we made damn near 70, 80% of the money that was, you know, generated for the athletic program.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And it wasn't because we was good, bro. We sucked. It was because the schools, the school was getting paid by the.

[Joe Hayden]

Getting paid to go out, to go out there.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And get the damn sheep to the wolves for the big boys, for the big Ten. And they give us a vote or get a school for five, six hundred thousand dollars. Come in there for, you know, two, three games every year you get, you know, you get a few million dollars to get your face kick to be they homecoming game. They warm up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Anyway, you was the. You was the Gators. You was the Gators. First game of the season, dude, I

[James DeBo Harrison]

ain't gonna deny that.

[Joe Hayden]

Facts came and got you a nice chat.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We was the first three games. Minimum, minimum two, if not four. You going to. Oh, yeah. You get a chance to get in front of the big boys, y' all get to see, you know, get to play up against the big. I wasn't tripping. I was cool.

[Joe Hayden]

You gonna hold your own. You grown man. You gonna handle yours. That's for sure.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We get. We getting worked on out there, man. You know, they instruct the band up.

[Joe Hayden]

It's.

[James DeBo Harrison]

It's 30 something to whatever by the time, you know, hit the second quarter. I'm like, man, they got you.

[Joe Hayden]

They ain't let you go in that game with enough bullets, man. You had one.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You needed some more. You need about eight more at least.

[James DeBo Harrison]

So my thing was the night before the game was to eat pizza. So I think it was like, 2007. I ended up jumping back into it. I think we were somewhere. I can't remember where we were, but I was like, yo, I want, like, some Papa John's pizza. And that was the thing they used to give us, Papa John's pizza. Oh, with the dip and all that, right? So I'm like, oh, my God, yes. They came with it. I ordered it. Dipping sauce, all that, man. I smashed the whole pizza, right? And I'm like, sitting up there like, oh, we. The next day, got up eight. I eat a huge breakfast, too, because I get up super early. I try and get to the game, like, at least, like, four hours before the game so I can have all my stuff ready with that. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to get there as soon as possible. I do all my stuff. I take my own jerseys. I do my. I do everything.

[Joe Hayden]

Shut up.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Seriously. I don't let him do none of that, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Yes. Okay. I wasn't hip. I was today.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I don't let. I don't let him do none of that.

[Joe Hayden]

So you get up to the stadium four hours before, right?

[James DeBo Harrison]

So in 2007, like I said, I ordered that Papa John's, dude. Yeah, man. I felt great. And then it reminded me. I'm like, yo, I used to eat pizza. Like, that's all we had before. Yeah. And I felt great when I played. So I'm like, I'm going back to that. And I don't even know if you was there, the couple games that I did play, but I would order a large pizza. Well, I would actually order two when it came time because other guys started being like, slice and all this other stuff. So we would. Had a Gatorade, and we treated the Gatorade like it was wine. So if you had some red, you say you needed a cab. You had a lighter one, you know, you say it was. It was. It was something to. It was white.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

So everybody would get a slide. I still get a whole piece of. To myself, for sure. Everybody else would just grab a slice and it just became a thing where we was, you know, we was breaking bread, like, acting. But it was. It was great, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

See, I wasn't. It must have not been, because I didn't. I ain't never see the slice I need. I. I wish I would have seen it. I would have definitely came over there and grabbed me a slice. Debo.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah. It was only by the time you got there, that was what, 17? It wasn't. It might have been only like, maybe three people. That was. That was still there from when I originally started doing it. But, dude, it used to be like the whole defense, bro.

[Announcer]

I was.

[James DeBo Harrison]

At one time, I was ordering three pieces. I'm like, yo, dog, y' all can't take none of this one. I at least need half of it, bro. Yeah, like Jack. Jack will order. I'd be like, Jack. He'd be like, yeah, Jack.

[Joe Hayden]

One of the most clutchest people in the world.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. I'd be like, Jack, man. He'd be like, yeah, I got you. Don't worry about it. Giving the money and all that, you know, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. So as it come in, we break the meeting. As soon as we break the meetings after the team meeting, we do all our stuff. Yeah. That's when I get the pizza. So I wouldn't even. I wouldn't even eat the regular meal that we had there. I'm like, yo, I'm saving all that. I'd come in there starving, bro. Be ready just to eat that.

[Joe Hayden]

Hell, no. But that Papa John's pizza with that sauce ain't nothing, bruh.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Come on, bro. Like, hey, I'm gonna tell you another one that's hidden I don't even know what's the name of it right now.

[Joe Hayden]

It's.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What is it? I want to say yes, dude, it's pizza. It's around here. I just, man, I order it, bro. I like every now and then. It got. It got like a turbo Turbo. They call it Turbo Crush. It's like a garlic turbo crust. Oh my goodness.

[Joe Hayden]

Bro, I'm not here.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What's the name of it? Is it jets or. Or is it Fox? I started doing. I started doing that one when I was in Atlanta during COVID when I was filming heels. Me and my dude Allen, dude, we was driving 30, 30, 40 minutes, bro, to go get pizza. Like 11 o' clock at night, bro. Man, we. It was good though, bro. So they got one here, but it's like It's a good 30, 40 minutes away and they don't do it. So you got to go get it every now and then. You know, your boy gotta run down there and get that. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

You got to go 45 for the pizza.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Oh, yes, no question. That's one way.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay,

[James DeBo Harrison]

you eating traffic.

[Joe Hayden]

You're eating the piece of a shore on the way back in the whip.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Oh, you can't.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What you mean you can't? Yeah, Jets. It's Jets. Jets got the Turbo Crush. Yes, it's Jets. They're right.

[Joe Hayden]

Jets got the Turbo Cross, bruh.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm telling you, when you come here, you got find you a Jets, bro. Make sure Turbo crust. I will matter of fact, get you the one that only got the corners. You can get it where it got all, just all corners in there.

[Joe Hayden]

So you get all corners.

[James DeBo Harrison]

So you, ah, see.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, I'm gonna order size. I'm gonna order that. Get off this.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Lisa, order me some turbo crust, please, Please.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you know, we need to get to though, Debo. Cause we didn't mean, you know, we ain't talked about. Let's talk about my boys.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah, let's talk about your boys. Let's talk about your boys about that boy, Todd Monkin.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Now, they asked him if he had a goal for naming the starting quarterback, if his goal was to name a starting quarterback before training camp, right? And he said, I would love to have that. I'm not there yet. Muckin replied. So I can't say that. You can't say what, dude? You can't say that you have or like want to have in mind a time frame of when you think you could have enough plays to evaluate the quarterback's performance that you have. Joe, I don't know what this is, but I'm gonna tell you right now, it sounds like a little brownie. Because as you sit there and you look at it a little more, it goes, oh, but he did say, he says this one.

[Joe Hayden]

What did he say?

[James DeBo Harrison]

He said, once, listen, once we get on the field for four weeks at the end of spring, we'll have a better idea. He continued to then say, but there's only so many reps you get. You've got to start to target towards who. Who's going to start opening day. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

But then he went Browning and he comes back with this.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm saying he said Browning.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He, he went browning and he comes back with this one. He says, now this can still change. He added, that can change even if someone's getting two thirds of the reps or someone's getting a third of the reps. Because you're still going to play preseason games. Yes. You're still going to want to see those guys at quarterback and see how they play.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Why not just say, well, we're going to know who our starting quarterback is before the first regular season game. Leave it at that and keep it going. Because all this stuff he's saying right here, it sound like anybody could be the quarterback. It could be Watson, it could be Shador, it could be Gilbert, it could be Green, the dude they just picked up. Joe, what is going on with your coach here that he can't give a straight answer? And then he seems to be talking about what somebody put out there about the reps being flipped over. Like, why not just say we're going to. We're going to figure out who our starting quarterback is before the first regular season game instead of going and giving all this mumble jumble, double talking Browning, I guess because he's coach for the Browns. I don't know. But I'm asking you.

[Joe Hayden]

This is what I understand what you're saying. If I was you, I would do the same thing. Say, it doesn't matter. He needs to have his own. He got his own timetable. So if he says before the first game of the season, Debo, I'm with you 1000%. He's kind of like, he don't need to rush. I feel like if he would've said, I'm gonna have my starter by the first game of the season, it's just he's making more conversation that doesn't need to be made. You're exactly right. I think that when you say things like just only had. They've only had three practices. You know what I'm saying? There's time. Why. But you only had three practices already

[James DeBo Harrison]

switching from who's starting. It's not even who's starting with the most reps because with the ones.

[Joe Hayden]

Because when you're having a quarterback competition because when you're having a quarterback competition, that's what you do sometimes. One guy's going to get more reps one day and the next guy is going to get more reps the next day.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Nobody talking about Dylan or.

[Joe Hayden]

No, this is what I'm saying. No, I mean obviously Shador was already the starting quarterback. I mean Shador already started. Deshaun's coming back making $46 million this year. That's the two quarterbacks. Dylan, Gabriel, you had your chance. And Shador obviously, in my opinion looked like he was better, has a better trajectory to be actual starting quarterback. So now it's him and DeSean in a quarterback battle. Some days DeSean's going to have more reps, some days Shador is going to have more reps and people are living and dying by every throw. The quarterbacks and the coach, they going to have to go back, see, watch, evaluate, and then they're going to pick who they want to be the starting quarterback and then we're going to go from there. So it's just everybody like you, everybody like people is just trying to make a big deal out of. Oh no, he's getting more reps this day, he's getting more reps that.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James DeBo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

Hey, that's.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You talk to Mary Kay.

[Joe Hayden]

Look. No, I'm saying you're talking about the article that Mary Kay said because Mary Kay's putting out there. Oh, we got more reps to stay. Oh, we got. Because that's what happens when you're battling the next day. Shador probably get more reps. Like it's

[James DeBo Harrison]

only she ain't said that. Yeah, I'm sure Mary Kay would actually say that if that ended up happening and turning back around because she did. She'd been doing this since the early 80s.

[Joe Hayden]

It doesn't matter.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Experienced, you know, analyst, reporter, sports evo, however you want to call it.

[Joe Hayden]

You gonna tell me just because they get voted and win an award, them same people was the one that took. That kept out fucking Bill Belichick. Like, there's. They don't know what they don't know some people. She's good.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I like it when I like it, and I don't like it and I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

When I don't like. You know, the reporters out there in Pittsburgh, too. If somebody gets a reward, you think that just means that they're good? No, you can still be doing foggy things. And when.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Oh, so you saying she ain't good? She just.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I'm saying that some people could. To each his own. To each his own.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm just. I'm just asking because the. You know, with this monking thing, the report says the Browns hired Trent. What is that ballot. In a consoling role.

[Joe Hayden]

The consultant role.

[James DeBo Harrison]

So the Browns hired longtime NFL executive exec Trent Balky.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James DeBo Harrison]

In a consultant like capacity. Yo.

[Joe Hayden]

Too many books in the kitchen.

[James DeBo Harrison]

No, Joe. Hell no, Joe. Jaguars fired him in 2025 off season, and he has been out of the NFL since last season. Okay. Now, during his tenure in Jacksonville, The Jags went 25 and 43 with head coach Urban Meyer and Doug Patterson, along with interim coach Darrell Belvin. Yeah, Autumn. Autumn got fired, Joe. Everybody got fired.

[Joe Hayden]

Now look, everybody fired.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Problem, Joe. Here go the problem. Now this. This actually. What is it? It's 25. So that was 25. So in 25, before they got the coach that they actually got now, Liam Cohen. Yeah, he was the old coordinator for the Buccaneers. Right. And he actually had decided to pass on the second interview, a head coach position for. For Jacksonville and stay with the Bucks. Along with it was Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn saying the same thing, that they was going to pass because they didn't want the job if he was still going to be the gm. And of course, later, Cohen took the job with the incentive that he could pick his own GM. And this all started all the way back in 2014 when old Trent and Jim Harbaugh was bumping heads, mutually agreed to part ways. More people say it was more like a firing over there than it was a mutual agreement with the owners. Obviously siding with Trent over Jim. And everything went downhill from there until he was fired in 2016. Okay. So he took and didn't want to listen to Jim Harbaugh over there with the 49ers after they had. I think they went to a championship game or won the championship. I can't remember which one it was. But he decided he was big dog. He wanted to do everything his way, obviously, on the side with him. And it was like, we're going to go your way, and we're going to get rid of Jim. And Jim went over there to Michigan and started cheating up some storms and winning some money. I mean, winning some games and all that. Anyway. All right. So he would later get fired in 2016 from the 49ers. He would go to the Jaguars in 21 until 24. And it has been a steady decline since then. Bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What is it about old Trent that y' all brown? See, that makes you or makes your organization want to bring him in to consult about what? How not to do it?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with you 1000% on this one. And I'm pissed. I'm just sitting here taking it. What the fuck? He gonna come help us consult about. Leave us alone. Don't come over here with your losing vibes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I brought him in, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't need none of that energy. Why were you consulting? What are you consulting us about? We're doing just fine. Andrew Barry is over here cooking right now.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I think Andrew Barry brought him in. They say he's known for bringing something in. Maybe he bringing them in to make himself look better than.

[Joe Hayden]

No. That's all I'm saying. No, look how bad he did.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm gonna bring him in here and try and rehabilitate him.

[Joe Hayden]

Rehabilitate him. This is all I'm saying. I don't think bringing more cooks in the kitchen is what we need. We just got out of.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I thought you said he was cooking. Why would you need somebody else?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. He's a lone ranger right now. He's my Gordon Ramsay. I don't need nobody else throwing in no damn ingredients or nothing. I like you doing what you're doing. We got the podesta out of there. So now I'm like, okay, you don't have no handcuffs. I feel like you're bringing in handcuffs, Andrew. I don't want. I don't want it to be just on you. You did the draft last year. Amazing. You did the draft this year. I'm loving it. What the hell? Are you bringing in somebody to consult you? I want nobody consulting you. I want you to be Doing what you're doing. You and Todd Monkin, y' all consult each other. Y' all figure out what we want to do here. We don't need to bring in.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We know for sure who brought him in.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. And the thing is, I don't care, because I think that when you keep bringing in other consultants, other people, that other. No, we don't need that. You're the general manager.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm just trying to see who's trying to sabotage it, that's all. Is it the owner? Is it the GM himself?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James DeBo Harrison]

This man been out of it for a whole year, and you want to know nothing positive? I want to know 2014. I want to know what is it that you got? You got pictures of somebody, you got what you got text, what you got that done got you back in here in a consultant capacity, and you ain't did nothing with it since you showed your hand and made Jim Harbaugh get up out of there and saw and showed that you couldn't do it and then went over there to Jacksonville. I mean. Yeah, Jacksonville. And did the same thing.

[Joe Hayden]

This one dumbfounds me because I genuinely don't understand why you would bring him in. I don't. We don't need more cooks. We don't need more people in there. I like Sasha. I mean, Andrew Berry. We got you in here. You're cooking. Do what you need to do. So that's why it's a good point. I don't need to ask. Was it Andrew Berry's idea to bring him in? I would hope not.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I would definitely hope it is not. Because if it is, that is scary. Yeah, that is scary. And then it's still scary for his job security if it isn't. It's a scary situation either way it go. He's cooking.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie. He did good last year. What? He did what they produced. He did good last year, dude. He got all them high drafts. He went and made it work. He. He made it. He made. He. He made the. He made it count.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

This year he got. He got some good picks.

[Joe Hayden]

We'll see if it pans out. Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

But if that's him saying, I'm not too sure what I did, I need a consultant. I'm ready to fire you as the owner if you did that, and if you're the owner, and I'm saying I'm getting a consultant because you ain't cooking right then. Now you sitting there like, is my Job even secure that you got to bring somebody else in.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, I'm with you. I just don't understand the fact that when you do have a gm, these. All these consulting people, I'm like, no, you got your scouting. You have your general manager. You have people that run it. Omar. Did Omar have a consultant?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Omar ain't got no consultant, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean. Cause you don't need no goddamn consultant. Because he's the gm. He consulting with himself, and he consulting with Joe.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Joe feeling some kind of way, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Joe feeling some kind of saying, when you got the organization. When I go over there to Pittsburgh, bruh, they will always ask me, what's the difference between Cleveland and Pittsburgh? Up top. When you got your GMs and you got. What's my man was before Omar.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Kevin Colbert.

[Joe Hayden]

Kevin Colbert. You got Kevin, you got Omar, you got dudes that don't feel like. When you talk about needing consultants, you're consulting with your head coach. Because we're putting this together. It's me and you, and we're building this team, and we're going to figure it out. The owner may be. You know what I'm saying? But for real. For real, you got your guys, you got your gm, and you got your coach. Y' all are building this squad together. Y' all gonna be on the same accord when you start bringing in more consultants. What is he consulting you about? You and the coach figure out what y' all need all this extra. Like, you got scouting departments, all those people, for sure. But when you just bring in somebody. Consultant. What are you talking about? What are you doing?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hey, man, this could be one of them situations where, you know, hey, they done hired a new coach. He might not have been too sure about the gym. I'm saying as the owner. As the owner. And the owner is like, you know what? I need somebody on the inside to be all the way inside on everything and tell me what's going on and feed me the tidbits. What's going on. This could be a situation where he might be even trying to sabotage

[Joe Hayden]

your general manager. That's like a spy.

[James DeBo Harrison]

That's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

Spy.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You said spy.

[Joe Hayden]

You. You hitting.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You trying to hit somebody? What you needed to know, what you want to know because you feel like they might not be telling you the whole story. Hey, you gotta think about this, man.

[Joe Hayden]

What's up?

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm. I'm the Haslins. Except I'm Harrison. I'm Harrison. I own the Browns. Okay? And I don't know about football. And I can't do nothing about it. But I got money. I'm a billionaire. You think you gonna tell me how to run a business and who I want to put in there? Hell no, you not. You ain't nothing but a millionaire. I'm a billionaire. You'll do as I say, when I say it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

A lot of you know, that control

[Joe Hayden]

that comes in, you know, that's not what. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Debo, that's just not good. They didn't stress me out a little bit. I ain't gonna lie.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hey, I'm. Hey, it's okay, man. It's okay. You should have knew that this wasn't gonna be a straight pattern.

[Joe Hayden]

We still got. It's just the off season. We got time.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We gotta get onto the football. Y' all doing this the draft already done. Why is y' all even hiring me for what you telling me he messed up so bad? You hiring somebody right now to help consult for next?

[Joe Hayden]

But that's the crazy part. He didn't mess up.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

Andrew Barry did not mess up.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm just. I know he didn't, bro. I know he didn't. I'm saying. I'm just looking. I'm looking at him.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James DeBo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James DeBo Harrison]

I gotta hit all avenues. I gotta be able to say, you know, think. I gotta be able to think unlogical when we're talking about Cleveland.

[Joe Hayden]

You love when these things happen.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I don't love this.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, you do. Yes, you do.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Maybe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you a little. And I don't like it a little.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I might like.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't like when we do it to ourselves.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I like when y' all do it to yourselves. Because that meant it's. It's. It's cell phone self warfare. Like y' all can't even get out of your own way. That's the greatest we're gonna have.

[Joe Hayden]

It's got this quarterback competition going on. We just need our body football.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful stadium y' all got coming up. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, y'. All. And y' all got. Y' all got this going on.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, Lord, Lord, by the time. But look, by that time you give

[James DeBo Harrison]

me this for my birthday. Lord, I appreciate that, Lord. My shepherd, he know what I want.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on. We. We gonna be nice and she's gonna be in.

[James DeBo Harrison]

That's with old. With old ballot back there plotting it. Plotting and scheming. You know, I. I pray.

[Joe Hayden]

I hope that it works out, but I Just think that we don't need another cook. Too many.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hey, boss, you know what they said?

[Joe Hayden]

What's up?

[James DeBo Harrison]

They said they wouldn't go listen to you.

[Joe Hayden]

They damn sure didn't listen to me

[James DeBo Harrison]

because they didn't want to listen to you. I'm. I'm gonna tell you everything that. That you want to know, Mr. Haslam. What you want to know?

[Joe Hayden]

Leave my dog, Mr. Haslam. Leave my dog, Mr. HasluM alone, man.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And I think. I think Monkin went home at 8:35pm he should have been there to 9:15. If I was. If I was head coach, I would be there.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man. I. Todd is in that thing, just saying. Oh, man. My coach in that thing.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm just. Hey, listen. I'm just saying if I was there, I'd be sleeping in the office. That's what he's telling him.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I gotta get.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You gotta find out who hired him, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

That's no for sure. That's what you mean. I'm. I'm. I'm hit. Andrew. I'm hitting Andrew Barry. I gotta ask.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hit him up.

[Joe Hayden]

I have to.

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