Deebo & Joe - Klint Kubiak to Raiders? NFL Salary Cap Increase, Does Justin Jefferson Want Out?

Summary

Club Shay Shay – “Deebo & Joe: Klint Kubiak to Raiders? NFL Salary Cap Increase, Does Justin Jefferson Want Out?”

Date: February 2, 2026
Hosts: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Deebo Harrison and Joe Haden dive deep into major NFL developments leading up to the Super Bowl. The discussion centers on the recent flurry of coaching hires—including Klint Kubiak’s rumored appointment with the Raiders, an analysis of the league’s rising salary cap, team-building philosophies, and candid debates about quarterback value and management decisions. The two also break down Justin Jefferson’s comments about the Vikings’ quarterback situation, reflect on issues of diversity in NFL coaching, and end with a lighthearted take on a viral boxing moment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Super Bowl Throwback and Record Reflections

Timestamps: 03:59 – 08:36

• Deebo reminisces about his legendary 100-yard Super Bowl interception return (the “immaculate interception”)—still a record. Joe congratulates him, highlighting the lasting value of such moments.
• Deebo admits he’s torn between wanting to witness history and wanting his record to stand:

  “Hey, I ain’t gonna lie to you. I kind of want to see it because I like seeing history.” (06:03, Deebo)

• Banter on team rivalries leads to friendly jabs about the Browns’ Super Bowl drought.

2. Head Coaching Hires and Changing NFL Leadership

Timestamps: 08:36 – 19:52

• Klint Kubiak to Raiders: Both hosts weigh in on Kubiak’s expected hiring. Joe is generally optimistic, citing Kubiak’s performance in Seattle but notes the Raiders’ frequent coaching changes hamper continuity:

  “They gave Pete Carroll a year and a half. They gave Josh McDaniel a year and a half … you gotta give a coach time.” (09:40, Joe)

• Discussion pivots to the importance of cap space and free agency flexibility:

  “If you can manipulate the cap, if you get you a good GM, you can move money around.” (10:24, Joe)

• Atlanta’s Stefanski hire is critiqued. Both are skeptical about firing Raheem Morris in favor of someone with less recent success, suggesting ownership’s desire for “their guy.”

  “That don’t make sense to me. Like, why would you let him go?” (10:45, Deebo)

• Conversation expands to the minimal job security for NFL head coaches, with many owners preferring quick changes over long “rebuilding” periods.

3. NFL Coaching Carousel: Team-by-Team Rundown

Timestamps: 16:55 – 25:31

• Overview of new coaching appointments and forecasts for their job security, hinging on immediate results.
• Notable mentions:
  • Joe Brady (Bills): “He got about... two years max.” (17:13, Deebo)
  • Jesse Menard (Ravens): “If we don’t win more games than we won last year ... [he’s] out.” (17:39, Joe)
  • Jeff Hafley (Dolphins): Both hosts express curiosity about cap space and GM relationships influencing his fate.
  • Robert Saleh (Titans): Jokes about the team’s lack of talent and thus, presumed cap space.

4. Salary Cap Manipulation & Coaching Philosophies

Timestamps: 25:32 – 29:08

• Deebo and Joe dig into the value of teaching players to understand the whole defense/offense, not just their specific assignments—a hallmark of great coaching staffs.

  “When you know the in and out of that defense from left to right… you can now do a better job of helping your partner.” (30:08, Deebo)

• Praise for Mike McCarthy’s hire, emphasizing his focus on receiver route flexibility, offensive play-calling, and preparation:

  “He said... the receivers knew what routes they would run in every area of that offense.” (26:24, Deebo)

5. Coaching Trees & Black Coaches in the NFL

Timestamps: 34:24 – 39:57

• Impressed by Sean McVay’s coaching tree, as yet another former assistant (LaFleur) lands a head coach role.
• The hosts directly address the lack of Black head coaches in this cycle:

  “People are talking about is zero black head coaches. What do you. What do you think about that, man?” (38:32, Deebo)

• Both men recognize structural and cultural barriers:

  “You telling me what I gotta do as a billionaire… that kind of makes me want to push back...” (41:20, Deebo)

• Deebo recounts Mike Tomlin’s hiring and “Rooney Rule” effectiveness, admitting it gets Black candidates through the door but may tilt the interview “against you” if owners feel forced.
• Joe voices hope that ultimately, candidates will be selected on merit, not race, but admits systemic obstacles persist.

6. Quarterback Market, Justin Jefferson's Comments, and Vikings’ QB Drama

Timestamps: 51:21 – 57:57

• Deebo and Joe scrutinize Justin Jefferson’s comment that the Vikings would have done better with Sam Darnold at QB:

  “Having a quarterback… knows the playbook, knows the players, of course… I definitely feel like we would have done better. But it is what it is.” (52:15, quoting Jefferson)

• Both sympathize with Jefferson’s honesty, pointing out how the media chases controversy in Pro Bowl interviews.
• The conversation morphs into contract philosophy:

  “Do you pay a mid-range veteran $33 million, or draft a rookie for the low?” (55:13, Deebo)

• They critique teams that overpay or let solid starters go, referencing deals like Tua’s and how cap management affects roster-building.

7. Cap Space and Insurance: The Kirk Cousins & QB Backs Debate

Timestamps: 57:57 – 61:33

• Deebo proposes the hypothetical of bringing Kirk Cousins in as insurance for C.J. Stroud, sparking a debate over the risks and benefits of paying for backup security.
• They agree that QB value tiers are out of whack, and backup plans are critical for deeper playoff runs.

8. Viral Moment: Boxer Loses His Hairpiece During Fight

Timestamps: 61:35 – 67:29

• A comic break as the duo react to a boxer’s toupee coming off mid-match:

  “He was hitting him right in his hairline and that joint popped up … that joint was flapping.” (62:46, Joe)

• Deebo jokes about maybe getting hairpieces himself, with both mocking the logic behind wearing one into a fight and laughing at the social media memes.

9. Super Bowl Media Plans & Closing

Timestamps: 67:45 – End

• Announcements: No episode tomorrow; both are traveling to San Francisco for Super Bowl coverage.
• The show will broadcast live from the media center with guests on Wednesday and Thursday (11 - 12:45 Eastern).
• Hopes for fans to join them on location and tease a potential appearance on Shannon Sharpe’s "Nightcap".

  “We will be live from the media center, Wednesday and Thursday, 11 to 12:45.” (68:10, Deebo)

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Notable Quotes

• “You have a 100-yard interception return in the Super Bowl. Never forgotten. Until somebody goes one on one…” (06:00, Joe Haden)
• “You gotta give a coach time. You can’t … look at Atlanta, right there.” (10:45, Deebo)
• “Ownership … maybe Raheem doesn’t do it the way Matt Ryan ... has the vision. Everybody’s out for their self.” (15:48, Joe)
• “If you can manipulate the cap, get you a good GM, you can move money around.” (10:24, Joe)
• “That’s football right there—when you know your job and what everyone else is doing. That’s what separates good from great.” (30:08, Deebo)
• “The only person that’s worse … is the person that believes they’re the smartest one in the room, and they’re not. But they have the power to quiet all those other voices. That’s the most dangerous person in the room.” (49:23, Deebo, re: Jerry Jones)
• “Do you pay the best one $60 million? … or Sam Darnold at $33? … They should have given him the 3 for 100.” (56:12, Joe/Deebo)
• “Beat off, man—had the inside of his tooth... Oh, did that.” (65:17, Joe, describing the boxer’s toupee loss)

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Key Timestamps for Segments

• Super Bowl record reminiscence: 03:59 – 08:36
• Kubiak/Raiders & coaching hires: 08:36 – 16:55
• Coach carousel rundown: 16:55 – 25:31
• McCarthy, offensive systems, coaching trees: 25:32 – 34:24
• Diversity in head coaching: 34:24 – 44:51
• Quarterbacks and Vikings/Jefferson: 51:21 – 57:57
• QB insurance & salary cap debates: 57:57 – 61:33
• Boxer’s toupee story: 61:35 – 67:29
• Super Bowl travel & plans: 67:45 – End

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay is a raw, insightful, and unfiltered look at the changing landscape of the NFL. Deebo and Joe offer expert player perspectives, dissecting everything from Super Bowl nostalgia to the practical realities of modern coaching, cap management, and diversity. The banter is lively, with plenty of locker-room humor balanced by sharp football analysis, making it a must-listen for diehard and casual fans alike.

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Welcome back to this episode of Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe and download wherever you get your podcast. How you doing today, Joe?

[A]

I'm doing great, brother Debo. Great day. Great Monday, locked in. Travel day. I'm ready. I'm very excited. Happy to get out to San Fran a little later on.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, me too, man. I ain't even lied to you. You know what happened, man? My flight got delayed. No. Yeah, man. So I'm gonna miss a connect. I gotta figure out what I'm gonna do with my flight. I ain't gonna lie to you. So I gotta. I gotta. I gotta get that situated once we, you know, once we get off of here. But.

[A]

Yeah, because I thought we were supposed to be landing at the same time.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I got. They. They delayed it like. Like an hour and a half, two hours or something like that. So you made that to where my connect was like five minutes or 10 minutes. You know, that ain't happening.

[A]

They know they gotta change. They gotta transfer your bags too, Debo. So we don't need to lose.

[B]

No.

[A]

You know, you need a good hour for show in between.

[B]

A good hour at least.

[A]

Solid.

[B]

Go to. You might need an hour and a half.

[A]

Yeah, no, for sure, for sure.

[B]

You know. Yeah. Anyway, bro, yesterday was. It was, you know, a historic day. It was the anniversary of what I would like to call. And you know, most people that actually have any kind of, you know, football understanding knowledge. Yes. We call the greatest play ever in super bowl history.

[A]

They would second you in saying that. And one. One of the people being me, your co host, I was second that also.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And that would be that super bowl run back. Yeah. Them Pittsburgh Steelers, that 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers defense author yourself looking at James Harrison.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

We gonna call it the immaculate interception. Okay. Yeah. To the house. Knock them down. Ain't never been done. Ain't been done again. If I'm hoping it don't never get done again.

[A]

No, for sure. Keep that one.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. I don't want my record broken.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. They say records meant to be broken, but not that one. I don't want that one broke. Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I even lied to you. I was a little upset when I seen oh Jacoby rest his soul from the Ravens when he 108 out of there, 109 from the back. Yes.

[A]

Going to kickoff, I was like, well.

[B]

I still got the longest. I still got the longest.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm with you, Debo. I'm with you. Hey, ready said that records are meant to been broken. But selfishly I feel you. I don't want nobody to breaking my record. Like that's my record. And then when they take it away, that's how that keeps you remembered forever. You have 100 yard interception return in the Super Bowl. Never forgotten. Until somebody goes one on one and then they like, they'll still remember you.

[B]

Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you. I kind of want to see it because I like, I like listen, I like seeing history. I like seeing history. You gotta look at when TJ broke the record for the Steelers. Broke my record. I was there. I like seeing history, man.

[A]

No, for sure. I do too. You know, I do too.

[B]

Especially when, you know, when it's your young boys, you know, if it's somebody you know.

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Right.

[B]

If it's go be broken, at least.

[A]

Let it be somebody. I know.

[B]

Let it be a still.

[A]

Let it be the homie let.

[B]

No question. I know I would say you would say the same thing like let it be a Browns player. But you know, Browns into the super bowl, it's like, see.

[A]

No, no, see, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go. And I see you saying that and I got a good Denzel, look. Denzel Ward just went to the Pro Bowl.

[B]

He got to get for the most time.

[A]

Well, look, I hear you. Yeah. You gotta get to the super bowl to make super bowl stats. I understand that, Debo, but it's not good players faults that we weren't in the position. So don't be, don't be sitting. So don't be trying to switch it over to the Browns. We giving you your moment and there you go trying to do that bull.

[B]

Every time I was just. Every time I was trying to relate.

[A]

No, no, no. Don't. Don't even try to. But you try to relate.

[B]

Joe. Then I realized it wasn't relatable. And you know how me I speak out loud, you know, I got, I gotta, I gotta listen. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Be quick to let it listen. Yes.

[A]

Because you go to speak because you're quick to disrespect and you don't even realize.

[B]

No, yeah, like I said yesterday, man, you know, Book of James, man, you know, last week it was. Hey, quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to. And that wasn't even anger.

[A]

I was just.

[B]

I was. I was listening, but I was just. I was too quick. I was too quick to speak and I just. I. Yeah, I let something out that was insensitive, you know, to the feelings of the clowns players and stuff like that.

[A]

They. Stop saying that, bro.

[B]

What bro?

[A]

Good. The clowns players clean. Oh, you know, my braces.

[B]

Joe Brown's players. I'm sorry. Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Your speech is a little. It's hard to say. A lot of your B's, your S's and your B's do get a little.

[B]

Anything that press like. Like that. See, I'm spitting everywhere too. I'm sorry.

[A]

Congratulations, Debo, on your. On your interception, your 90 on your 100 yard return. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you very kindly, Joe.

[A]

You know, Joe is exhausted after. But you, you did your thing.

[B]

Couple years, man, that gonna be 20 years away. That's crazy. 20 years. Time flies when you having fun. Come on, you've been. You've been. You ain't had fun. But anyway, let's get into this, man. Listen, it looked like all 10 of these vacancies for the head coaches have been filled. The last one, they said they expected the Raiders to hire Kubiak for the head coach over there from the Seahawks. What do you. What do you think of that hiring you like, you like that move? You don't like that?

[A]

I do. I do like that move. I think Kubiak's been doing a really good job and especially now with this, the way he did with the Seattle's offense. I think it's going to be good for them. I'm just looking at the Raiders though, bro, if I'm just being honest, they're going to have to figure it out some way. They're going to have to stick to a coach. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it was Josh.

[B]

Listen, man, they only gave Pete Carroll a year.

[A]

They gave. That's what. That's. That. That's what I'm saying.

[B]

But hopefully Antonio Pierce bad.

[A]

They.

[B]

They gave Pete Carroll supposed to miss something, right? They gave that man a high year.

[A]

They gave that man a year and a half. They gave Josh McDaniel a year and a half. They gave my man Antonio Pierce. He finished the year, then they gave him one year out and then Pete Carroll one year. So hopefully this youngin he's gonna be able to come in Kubiak and be able to start something for. They're gonna. They got a lot of money, too. Like, that's what I'm looking at too, with free agency. Hopefully they gonna give me the reins to be able to. To do that thing with that cap.

[B]

What they looking like over there on that. On that. On that cap for them Seahawks anyway, bro?

[A]

They looking high. They looking like this. It says projected to be the second highest, minimum 88, but high, a high of 110 space.

[B]

So matter of fact, let's run through these. Let's hold up. Let's run through this real quick, okay?

[A]

Cause that cap, that bread coming up, bro. So you people, if you can manipulate the cap, if you get you a good gm, you can move money around, bring in good pieces. The pieces that are balling, make their stuff. Guaranteed. I'm always with that. So if they give him a chance to really open up that cap, bring some players in, then it might could look good.

[B]

Yeah, you got to give him time, though. You gotta. Got me here. You can't. You can't. Hell, look at Atlanta, matter of fact right there. Kevin Stefansky, he got the. He got the Atlanta job. And y' all got rid of Raheem, like, right as he was building something. That don't. That don't make sense to me. Like, why would you let him go? Like your defense is out of control, and then you go get another man that did nothing with his offense, he couldn't get nothing together over there. And you hire him, but you get rid of another coach that's there building something. I don't understand. Now, what do you think of that hire for Atlanta with Stefanski, like you.

[A]

Said, I mean, and Cap.

[B]

They might have Cap.

[A]

How much they might got Cap, I think. I'm not. Matt Ryan might know something. I think that Stefanski knows. I mean, you gotta come in there, you gotta. You gotta produce, you gotta make sure that the offense is vibing out. But I don't. I. It was a miss for me. It was a miss for me. I like Matt Ryan, though, and I think he's. I think he might be a smart dude. So I'm not gonna just blast it. Cause Stefanski did do. He did bring the Browns to the playoffs. They did win. But I'm just saying, I don't think he liked what they was going on with Shador over there. I'm thinking when he's talking to Matt Ryan, he's going to have a little bit more control. He's going to be able to make some moves and it's going to be on Stefanski to make something shake. So as far as the city of Atlanta not rocking with it, as far as the vibes, as far as how he did Shador, I can understand that completely. But I just don't want to bash Matt Ryan because I don't think he's a dumb person. I don't think he would do that if he didn't have a plan. So we gonna have to see quickly. I. I don't know if that was the best move for Atlanta, but I don't think. I just don't think Matt Ryan is a. Is a dummy.

[B]

Yeah. How many years you think he gonna get there?

[A]

You know, it's a. They're not playing around with these coaches now nowadays, so it's going to depend on if the owner is going to willing to be ready to like. No. If it's not working, I'm going to fire him because you're going to continue to have to pay. These coaches like Vegas, they don't care. They're paying eight coaches. There might be owners that are like this. You know what, Bump that. I don't care. If he's not that good, we're going to give him a little bit more leash because I'm not going to keep hiring and paying staff members that aren't here. So depending on that, I don't know how much, how long Atlanta is going to give him a leash. But I think that. I think that takes into account owners that are like, man, I'm not going to keep paying all of these dudes this long. I might give them a little bit longer leash. Or like the Patriots, they gave my man Mayo a year. Don't like it. I don't like the way that it's going. I'm not going to give you too much longer. I'm going to switch it out. Worked out well because they can't get mad at that.

[B]

You can't.

[A]

No, no, no. I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. You can't be mad at a man that's going to do it. But then that's the owner that's knowing if it doesn't work. I'm willing to pull the leash. Knowing these dudes under contract, I'm going to have to pay this man. Hopefully bring in another one that's going to work that's going to help this team out. You know what I'm saying? So something like this. Nah. I just sit on this For a minute. I'm not going to pay this dude $10 million to be. And then hopefully this other dude works out. So shout out to Kraft to be able to be like, ah, I like you, Mayo. I hope it was. But it didn't work out. Chopped after Belichick, brings in Vrabel. Right Pick. You know what I'm saying? Works out. Everything just works. So I think it's an ownership thing. And coaches now, you gotta win. Like, I hear all this building stuff, like, no, you don't have a long time to be sorry, but if you're sorry that year, that means you're getting a high draft pick. So you better go get you a quarterback. You better be on the same page with your gm, because we have to perform if we don't have a lot of time. Oh, yeah, we're in a five year process. No, you have a year or two. Or you better be showing us something. You better be good on one side of the field. You need some pieces. You know what I'm saying? But don't just be out here looking shitty. Like, don't just be out here losing. Like, we're going to get you out of there. So I think coaches now, they got to be coming in there knowing. Got to perform. Gm, what are we looking like? Do I have my quarterback and I need to get it popping asap?

[B]

Yeah, but see, that's. That's what's wild with me on the Stefanski thing is you had. You had Raheem there, and he's one game away from being in the actual AFC championship. You fire him, and now you go and grab somebody that ain't even been in the playoff game, and I don't know how long. And on top of that, like, the offense wasn't performing well. Like, you don't have a. A super high draft pick like that. So it's not like you're going to be able to go and get somebody else. You're going to be stuck with the same person you got there. So I don't understand that. And if you're doing that, then you're telling me that you feel like he could come in here and do better with the staff, with the players that he has right now versus what Raheem was doing up to that point. Like, what, what, what's the whole, like the whole point of just getting rid of him to move him in and then you have a down year? Like, are you gonna get rid of him and then move on after that?

[A]

Like, probably. Cause maybe you know how these dudes are. Is. Is Raheem. Was Raheem hired by Matt Ryan? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, is that his guy? You know how these GMs and these dudes are when they come in there? They want to bring their people and they want it to be their way. Maybe Raheem doesn't do it the way Matt Ryan kind of has the vision where he's like this. If I'm gonna go down because I'm going down with Stefanski, because me and him are on the same page. We're vibing out like we talked about. The way that I see division going, you know what I'm saying? So everybody's out for their self. You know what I'm saying? When you look at it. So I can see kind of. Maybe that's why he made that move. Like Raheem, I see his vision. Not my vision. Stefanski. Okay? If I'm going to be here, I'm at Ryan. I'm able to make these moves. I'm going to make this one. And if it doesn't work, now we know where to point, though. You know what I'm saying? We was like, you had Buddy right here, then you moved him. Okay? Now you got Stefanski here. So now it just gives us better things. We like, oh, we know who it is. That wasn't. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Right?

[A]

That's Matt Ryan. That was your decision. You moved on from what was actually working. People were feeling it. But you wanted to go there so I could rock with that.

[B]

He gonna have all eyes on him, though, for sure.

[A]

They got eyes for sure.

[B]

They got eyes on him for sure. We got Joe. We got Joe Brady over here with the Bills. That's obvious. We know why he got that. I mean, he was Josh Allen's quarterback coach you fired like him. Him. He don't realize it yet. You done got the job, but you got about. You got two years max. The way they did McDermott.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

You might have one.

[A]

You got ASAP. If we lose. If we. If we don't win more games than we won last year.

[B]

Don't mess around and not make the playoffs. Oh, you are there.

[A]

Got to.

[B]

Josh might be gone, too. He might. He might be mad enough to trade.

[A]

Hey, bro, I ain't gonna look cause you for show. For show, man. Something. Got it. Something gotta give.

[B]

Jesse Menard with the Ravens. How. How long you think he got over there?

[A]

You man and I love. Do you know how they own the rocks? You heard what he said. You Heard what he said about Lamar. You know, the decision lies there, so there's no gray. He gonna let you know.

[B]

I wanna. Everybody want to know how long he got.

[A]

Ask him.

[B]

Hey, I'm a. Yeah, that's all they got to do is ask. All they gotta do, straight up.

[A]

Hey, how long Buddy got? He like this? He'll tell you, man. Two and a half.

[B]

If I don't like, that's what he do. How far we get? You know? Yep.

[A]

He gonna tell you how he feels.

[B]

Give him a scenario. He gonna answer, make the playoffs. Oh, he gonna be up out of here soon as the game over with. He gonna have to go ahead and find a flight somewhere else.

[A]

I'll have his bag. He's gonna have a different flight home than the team.

[B]

John Harbaugh, jet. I mean, the Giants. That's easy.

[A]

Yes. Love it.

[B]

Yeah, that's easy. What is it? The Dolphins. Jeff Halfley. What's that one?

[A]

My good man, Jeff Half. That was my. My DB Coach for the Bronx.

[B]

I know. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we.

[A]

We gonna. We're gonna see. We're gonna see. Like you said.

[B]

Oh, we gonna see. You ain't you. You ain't putting it behind, like. Yeah, I feel like he gonna go and do that.

[A]

I think he gonna do his thing. I think he want to do his thing. For sure. Okay, for sure. But like you said again, I don't.

[B]

How long you get? Who's cap space he got over there?

[A]

That's what I'm saying. What's the cap space looking like? What's the GM relationship looking like? I need to. I need to go. I need to figure that out before. Because I don't know what. What kind of authority, what kind of power does my man Halfly coming in there with? I don't know, man.

[B]

Yeah, I guess that's true.

[A]

I like to know these. These. These are really good things that we need to know, Deebo, because from the outside looking in, when you start talking about how was the coach doing? Was he able to. You know what I'm saying? What moves was he able to make? The talent, all of that stuff, it was him and the gm. Do you know what I'm saying? I like to know that stuff. Now you. You've made me want to know.

[B]

Hey, when you know, when you know.

[A]

You got the power to change your.

[B]

Whole opinion, how you view what they've done. When they're in that.

[A]

I like.

[B]

They're in that position, so I like it solo. Salah Robert. Robert Salah. The Titans.

[A]

Defense, like I don't think.

[B]

I think they got a lot of cast space though. Do they got a lot of cat space? I want to say they wanted the.

[A]

Ones they got to. They don't have a lot of talent so they gotta have some cap space.

[B]

Oh Joe, that's amazing. Just gonna say that.

[A]

Like that.

[B]

That's like me talking about the brow like that was bad.

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Come on, Joe. Slow.

[A]

I'm just saying. Well, all right. You want me to keep it a bean or not? Nope. If you gonna.

[B]

We gonna. Listen, Joe.

[A]

What we're gonna respect.

[B]

Okay, let's. What.

[A]

I'm just saying Cam Ward could use some help over there. There we go. Let me put it in a different way.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I know that there's money because there's not a lot of big contract guys on the team.

[B]

I got you.

[A]

That's what I mean to say.

[B]

I got you. Yeah.

[A]

You know my man on D line. They got.

[B]

We're gonna see what he gonna get when he go get done with his second. With his second run round as head coach. Hopefully he's able to go out there and improve. Improve the Titans ownership. Right. You know we gonna.

[A]

Yes. We gonna see his time. They got. They, they. They have. They got a quarterback. So now while he's on this rookie deal build. Do as much as you possibly can.

[B]

Yeah. Listen, I'm gonna tell you. The best coach, the best. The best hire of the year is probably. Which one? Mike McCarthy. That's the best hire of the year. I told you I'm all in, Joe. I switched over, Joe. I told you I'm all in.

[A]

You going all in. 100%. Mike McCartney. Best hire.

[B]

I'm all in, baby. I told you he got me. He got you, boy. You know he had me. You know he putting the staff together right now. I think he just got the D coordinator from, from the Raiders.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He just, he just picked him up. They like, oh well he did this, did that with this. And he was only ranked that high. It was still better than what we did. And with less Talent. So what you talking about? Come on now.

[A]

This was this. What? I can't, I can't. I. I want the Raiders. I want. I want him to be successful for us. I know that he did less with more over there, but I'm really ready to see execution like we do. Like I want to see when, when we get those players out there, what are we looking like? What's the scheme? What is he teaching? What kind of system are people running wide open? Are dudes just. You know what I'm saying? Like I got to see it. I'm not going to be quick to judge. I want to see what he can do with the talent and what he. How to. How the defense looks.

[B]

Are they making mistakes?

[A]

Are they aligned? Because. Yeah, so I'm with you too on the Mike McCarthy. Because offense, you say you calling the plays. I love it. You put a name on it. So now we got a name on it for you. And now the defensive coach, I'm not going to just. Oh, no, I know him.

[B]

He.

[A]

No, I don't know nothing too, too much about him. So we gonna give him a chance. Let's see what he can do. But I know Mike McCarthy said he's going to be calling those offensive plays. And that joint was looking junior varsity for the last couple of years. I've only seen a couple of little slants out rounds. Just basics. No, give me some sauce, give me some flares.

[B]

See something else he said, Joe, what else he said? He said he's going to make sure he get well. He said he's going to make sure that the receivers the knew what routes they would run in every area of that offense. So that meant at the 1, the 2 and the 3.

[A]

Because yes, we know you be Z X.

[B]

You could be all of it. You're not just stuck to one position because you don't know it. You're not just stuck to one position because maybe I don't know how to read a defense as a receiver, which is hard work to do when you got to do that. And we know that that sometimes happens in the league where you have receivers that actually can't read what they're looking at or don't know how to because they weren't taught it. And then they go out there and it's put your quarterback at a disadvantage to where. Where you should stop, you keep going. Where you should keep going, you stop. And now it looks like the quarterback is throwing the ball into no man's land. But the receiver is not reading what he's Getting and understanding. Hey, you're in zone. Sit down. Stop trying to run through. Hey, it's man. It's man. Keep going. Like, don't just sit there, like, get through. If it's an adjustment to it that, you know, should be there. And then again, instead of me having you lined up at one all the time. No, I could put you at one, two, or three. You know, the xy, you know, the. The Z, X and all that. So more knowledge, more understanding. They're gonna teach him more. They're gonna learn more. He's gonna put. Put more on their plate, give them more. If they don't know it, he's gonna teach it to him.

[A]

So I like that.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

And, And, And. And that's where it starts when OTAs. And that's where coaching comes in. Yes. When you get out there and it's not just, I'm better than you, and I know that I have to go run this post. When they call a play, the. Knowing what everyone has, you can be each person, the tight end, the other wide receiver, the slot. What I got to do just when you hear a play, da, da, da, da, X go. You're just listening for the X go. That's not knowing the nuances of the defense and the offense. So preparation, like coaches letting that stuff slide. When you're in OTAs, just the install. Install is done differently. We're not leaving these meeting rooms until you understand the concepts and what we're looking at. You know what I'm saying? So that takes a lot harder. The meetings are a lot more. I've been in some installs where it's kind of. You're just flying by. You're just trying to get through it. Cause you got to get to practice. Nobody's learning it. You don't know what's going on. It's just flying by. Okay, install here. This is what we got. And you know your defense because. No, just throwing in different defenses. And this is. You just know. It's fire zone. You don't know what kind of fire zone it is. But I know I'm a corner. I got third. I got this. I got fire zone first. So you got to be able to really take your time, sit down, learn it. Everybody knows what we're doing, why we're doing it, teaching that stuff. So that's a big, big part of it, too. So I'm like. That's where the execution part comes in.

[B]

Yeah. But that's also something else where. Especially with. With, like, when I was with The Steelers from Coastal Bow was there each year. I couldn't learn how to do what I was doing better. I knew what I was doing. So from that point forward, I started spanning out. What is this person doing? What is that person doing? Yes, and. And each person on that, on that defense, you know, we were together, you know, 5, 6, 7, 8. Some guys 10 plus years. Like now I know what you're doing. Hell, I even know what the end beside me doing. I know what the nose is doing. I know what the other linebackers do. I know my corners do. I know my safety's doing. When I know that and everybody else knows that when you don't have help or working your zone, you can now do a better job of helping your partner to help cover their zone, which in turn makes the defense better, which in turn makes everybody better. Like, you know for sure if you know the. The in and out of that defense from left to right. And I'm sitting over here on the edge and I'm supposed to be covering curl flat and they done already went four strong away from me. Why am I sitting over here? It makes no sense. Squeeze it on down and then look for that deep crosser coming to back and I can drop on back 17 deep. And then everything else, you come up on it like it's stuff like that that guys don't really be like, oh, well, I did want. No figure out what you do doing next to you and then space out further and further because that helps make you better. It makes the team better. And then when y' all look good and you play good, you're gonna go get paid good. It may not be there. It could be somewhere else.

[A]

Be somewhere. Yep.

[B]

Yeah, brother.

[A]

You gotta be out there because like you said too, when. When people next to you, when your dudes know your job, it makes everybody's job easier. It makes everybody, you know what the weakness is. Take away everything has a weakness, but people are always looking out for. When you do your job, it's putting it to somebody else to make the play. So like you said. And the same defense, if you keep coming in to a defense that you did the previous year with your dudes, you're able to learn it so much more too. Like the nuances. You know what he likes to do. You know how we like to move? I'm jumping this. So if we have to cover two flats, if I go and number one's going up the sideline, Minka, I'm jumping it. You got that? You take that because then that. That Whole shot. That's your pick. The flat route is my pick. You know what I'm saying? We gotta be on the string together. Because if I leave it and you don't know, I'm going, I'm leaving that whole shot wide open, and we look nuts. So I'm looking at you, and you like this. If number two goes flat, Joe, I know you're going to go pick that, and I'm going to go take off one's head or pick that ball off. So we're on the string, so I know I'm not leaving him out to dry, and he's not leaving me out to dry. We working together. So if you get that moving and the more that you start flowing and get to play the defenses, you hear a call. When you're young, you're a rookie, all you're trying to do is, I got cover two, I got to make sure I get receiver. I got to make sure he goes inside. I got to squat, I got to shuffle. You not worried about. Oh, my. This nigga about to run an out route. I'm like this. Hold on. What was the call? Okay, I got squat. Okay. I need to be five yards off. No, you're not smooth with it. You're not figuring it out. I'm like, what is it called? All right, I know the call. Go now. What are they about to do, bro?

[B]

I used to be over there. I'd be like, all right. They'd be like, okay, it's. It's. It's whatever. I'll be like, all right, run past. I got this. I got that. Okay, run to me. I got this. Run away from me. I got this. Okay, okay, I got it.

[A]

I got it.

[B]

Oh, they started the motion.

[A]

That's what. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Debo. They don't. It's happening live bullets, and they got motion, Motion. We got the check. So that's why the vets. You come out there, you know the call, and you're like, if he motions, we're going to this, right? Already pre alerting it, so when you see it, nobody's panicking. So, like, the comp. The comfortability of everybody, like, boom, boom, boom. We already alerting something we're not. The defense is already done. We already been on what we got. We're trying to figure out what they about to do and how we going to adjust to it in the fly. And that's when, like, you got smooth defenses you got to do out there. Trying to figure out, oh, we got cover, too. Now when it's moving to a different defense. He's like this. Oh, no. Why did they motion so, like, not in a bad way, but it's real live bullets. It's panic coming on the dudes that don't know their job, that aren't really comfortable in the system. You know what I'm saying? And I was out there like, okay, you're trying to listening. You're looking at your safety. Please, you better give me everything. When somebody moves, I'm looking at him. Give me that. Give me that. What we in now? All right, bet. Ok. I know it, but I'm not fluent. I'm not good enough to call it out my mouth. And then it's loud and wrong.

[B]

Don't call the wrong defense. I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, I think it's supposed to go to this.

[A]

And I think it's one of those.

[B]

I'm like, oh, hell, that wasn't the one. I thought it was supposed to be.

[A]

Yes, yes. We say, but if you all wrong with one person wrong, you all better be wrong.

[B]

Let's all be wrong together. Then that's something else. They were like, well, one wrong is all wrong. And then I'm like, nah, n. Put me in. Put me in there with the vets, man. Cause they ain't gonna get it wrong. I can't. I can't be waiting on somebody.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Yes. You know. You know, that's a hard life out there with that check. And you looking at that linebacker, he don't really know. And I'm like, whatever you say I'm gonna do. Cause we gonna be wrong together or we gonna be right together. So say something. Cause we gonna check.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, dude. The last one we got here, your boy, he went monking. We had that already. But lafleur got another job over there with the Cardinals. Dude, what is that? Sean McVeigh, right from there. That's where he can't do. That's his, what, fifth. Fifth coach, Something like that. That came from up under him. As far as being, you know, not having a. A head. A head coaching job before that or. Or a D.C. job or anything like just butt naked. That's five head coaches. Butt naked. Tree work, I think is LaFleur, Taylor O' Connor, Morris. And.

[A]

That'S a good. That's a Morse.

[B]

It's not fast.

[A]

That's a fast name.

[B]

Cohen. That's it. Yeah. Liam Cohen. That's it.

[A]

But that's a fast tree, dude.

[B]

Wow. Oh, Stanley. That was the other one. That's who it was. Yeah. Staley. Staley. Brandon Staley. Yeah. That's a. Nine years, bro. Five of them. That's. That's. That's loose right there.

[A]

That is. That is. That's a. That's. That's a great job, man, being able to like give it to the coach.

[B]

Well, yeah, he was, but he didn't. He didn't get the job. So I think we was talking about here for Shula, wasn't he? Yeah, he did, didn't. He didn't interview. Yeah, I think he did.

[A]

I think he did.

[B]

Phone interview, though. I believe it was a phone interview or something like that.

[A]

Yeah, that he's maybe he doing a great job. Young energy and. Do you think he. Do you think he has GM control?

[B]

I don't know. That's just it. I don't know. But I know what he does do. He develops those coaches. Yes, he develops those coaches or he get coaches that can be developed, however you want to look at it. But he's putting out. He's putting out coaches left and right. What is it, almost one every other year? Hell, more than that. It's nine years, five of them so far. And, you know, that's just head coaches not including people who, you know, went up to different. Maybe to a. To a DCOC or whatever.

[A]

And the thing I could see about him too is his young. He's young and his energy and he's very passionate and he's play calling. He's really super duper involved. And I think when you're that involved, if you have the coaches under you, he seems like he's in the facility all the time writing up plays.

[B]

Was he 30 when he got hired? I'm trying to figure that out.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. He looks like he lives and breathes ball, but at the same time he's teaching these dudes because they're leaving and being able to do what he's not. Do exactly what he's doing, but comparable offenses, you know what I'm saying? Like being able to figure out schemes, being able to get people open, not just running basic things that were back in the day. It's a new system. It's a new way of scheming people open. You gotta have talent. You gotta have somebody to get the ball there. But they are putting people in positions to win. All of the motions, all of the. Being able to analyze and understanding what the coverage is, where we can go to beat the coverage. Like all those motions and moving people around the Kyle Shanahan, the McVeighs, that's not just for nothing. That's not just to have people moving. That's to get recognition for your quarterback. And I think that's one thing that all the movements that they've doing is being able to get people open. And I think that's a big thing that all of the old school coaches, they don't really do that. It's kind of just kind of sitting there and basics. So I think that that is a big, big part of it.

[B]

Oh, yeah. It looks like he was actually hired when he was 30 years old. 345 days. 3 or 30 years. 354 days. When he was hired as head coach of the rams back in 2017, January. Yeah. He was barely running up on 31. That's crucial, brother.

[A]

That's a great.

[B]

We got 10 been the two Super Bowls, one one lost one. We got all 10 coaching spots looking like they'll be fully filled here. And I guess one of the things people are talking about is zero black head coaches. What do you. What do you think about that, man?

[A]

Obviously, I mean, go. Go ahead, Debo.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

I mean, so I think that it can. I want to have black coaches out there. I think that there's a lot of good defensive coordinators, there's a lot of good black coaches out there. That should be for the running. I think that right now, too, in the league, it is a. What have you done for me lately? Like, it's not like all coaches are being able to just stay where they're at, so opportunities are going to be coming up. I'm not liking that. I mean, Aaron Glenn, he was out there quickly. Mayo. The black coaches that are getting out there aren't being out there too long. But it's just. The league is. The league is. The league is. What have you done for me lately? Business. I think the relationships of people. You're going to. If I don't. I don't know, Debo. It's just.

[B]

Here. Here. I. I think. Well, I'm gonna go ahead and just give it to you how I feel or how.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

I may have. I may. If I was in that position. Okay. So if I was in a position where, like I said, they came up with The Rooney Rule 2003 or something like that. And from there, I think the first black coach that actually got hired that wasn't a previous coach before on another team was Coach Tom. That's. Yeah. Like. And that was before the. You know, that was actually the first one that was, you know, the first black coach that was hired as a head coach that wasn't actual head coach before that. So. And the reason that was is because he killed the interview. Because I was there and we thought that, I believe it was Russ Grimm. We thought Russ Grimm was going to be the person to get in and get the job. And Coach T came in there and he just smashed the interview. Like he did a great job, they said, and you know, blah, blah, blah. He was young, you know, it went. And in accordance with what they had been doing, it was the energy, it was all there. And they made a good decision. You know, Coach T was a good head coach. He got a Super bowl his second year, went to another one two years later. So he did, he did a good job. He came in, he didn't blow up nothing. He actually kept most of what it was, that especially defense, everything in the defense. And then Bruce Arians was there already as a receivers coach and he promoted him to oc, which again, smart because you got Ben just coming into his own. So you don't want to just get him out of there. And like the Rooney rule is a good thing and it's a bad thing. And for me, like, for coach, it got him in the room, period. He wouldn't even have got in the room for that. But now you're trying to figure out am I getting in the room and the room is already against me because they're trying to check a box, you know, just getting in, or am I getting in the room? Because they legitimately. Because they legitimately get it now too. You see what I'm saying? So, and when you look at it like pride, you telling me what I got to do as a billionaire. I'm a billionaire, Joe. And you're telling me who I got to interview and how many people I got to interview. Like, that's a lot of pride to swallow for somebody who been doing what they want to do for most of the process of how they've been successful or having some success, they had to have some excess to get the billions. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Whatever that may be. And yeah, you know, and, and like I said, like now you in the interview process and if you don't absolutely just smash it, then you gotta go in there and be so much better than the person before you, because you kinda done tilted the room to me or away from me as I would if I was, if I was a dude with a billion. Like, you go tell me what I gotta Do. And I've been doing. Come on, now, look at it, 2003. I think the Lions, they got fined in 2003 for not meeting the requirements when it first came in. Pushback, dude. You're gonna get pushback, dude. And it may not even be that they're against it or not, but you telling me what I gotta do, like, that kind of makes me want to push back just because that's in the personality of some people. And I think until you get people of our color in those positions, you're gonna run into what you have here, and it's gonna be more people hired. Like, when it comes down to it, if it's you and it's another coach and he happens to be white, and I like both of you guys, and we sit down and we vibe out, and all of a sudden, me and Joe, we got. We got things in common. Like, I'm feeling the vibe from you, I'm not feeling from the other coach. Because our paths didn't cross in the same. You know, our backgrounds, all that didn't cross in the same areas don't have nothing to do with each other. So I'm gonna go with the person that I'm more comfortable with. And that's when it comes down to a personal connection, bro. It ain't nothing wrong with it, but to try and, you know, force like, like, I'm just go, I' ma check the box. Why? Because like they said, they find Detroit in 2003, and, well, okay, I want to keep making money. I want to keep doing what I'm doing. I want to make everybody happy. So you know what? I'm gonna check the box, keep it moving. But when it comes down to it, I'm gonna get who it is that I wanna get. Yeah. You know, so.

[A]

And I was with you, Debo, a thousand percent. When you say it's. It's the. It's the. If you wanna get the best person for the job. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, if he's a good coach, what is. How does that work? But like you said, if you come to two good candidates that you like, like you said, and you end up pulling both of em, and you end up vibing with a person more, then that's not. I can't hold that against anybody, you know what I'm saying? You would do the same. You're not gonna just hire based on, you know what I'm saying? Just because they're black or just because they're white, I'm going to hire because they're the better person to do the job. Now when you get two equal things they're like man they both feeling really good. I I kind of just like this person more. I may like you know what I'm saying?

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You got to look and see, like, well, we don't know. How did the other coaches do in the interview?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Did they bomb the interview?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Did they not do well in the interview? Like, looking at what I'm seeing with McCarthy and what I've heard from the inside and all that, the other interviews weren't so great. And he smashed it. He smashed it.

[A]

I think there's one.

[B]

He is the right dude for the job. Dude. Like I told you, he got me to change just after I had to sit back and I was too quick to speak. I had to listen to what the man was saying and be like, okay, yeah. And then look at his record. Look at what he's done. And hell, even in Green. Not Green Bay. Sorry. Even in Dallas. Who knows what part of that was actually getting handicapped by old Jerry thinking he know best. Jerry, his own worst enemy. Like, yeah, the only person like. Like the smartest person in the room. I always thought I wanted to be the smartest person in the room. I just real. I realized a while ago, I don't want to be the smartest person in the room. I can't grow in that room. I have nowhere else to go. I need to get into other rooms, okay? I need to be able to have growth. The only person that's worse than that is the person that believes they're smartest person in the room, and they're not. But they had the power to quiet all those other voices in that room. That's the most dangerous person in the room. Jerry can't get out of his own way, bro. Like, that may have been something where that may have been one of those instances.

[A]

You never know what you. That's. You never know. You never know what kind of handcuffs he might have had on, what he would have been able to do and what he's not able to do, because end of the day, Jerry lets you know.

[B]

Jerry knows. You know, he do. They let you know any and everything, and if it's something that he don't like, he go get it.

[A]

Change.

[B]

I'll be. I'm going, hey, I'm going into the locker room right now, and I'm a fire. Don't y' all worry about nothing. Jared tell you that? And, hey, listen, man, Jerry might be the only one that go in front of the media more than the coach do.

[A]

Oh, bro, he got. His interview is. He has to do his. He has a press conference to do after the game. They go meet with Jerry first. He got to get it. You know what I'm saying?

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This is.

[A]

This is my team. These are my Cowboys.

[B]

Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna try and chop it up with Jerry, see what we can see. We can. What communication we can get. Get from him. Get. Get out and see what he is.

[A]

He'll let us know, right? You. That's what I'm telling you. If you ask. If you ask him, he'll tell you, though. Just keep it up. Maybe I keep it off the record.

[B]

All right, listen. I'm gonna keep it off the record. I ain't gonna say exactly what you said, but Jerry don't care about being on or off the record. He. He don't care about none of that. Listen, bro, stop playing. Speaking of talking, Justin Jeffries.

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Justin Jefferson.

[B]

Just. Sorry. Justin Jefferson.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

I'm bad with this, man. I'm bad with this. Justin Jefferson. He said he think they would have did better with Sam Darnold. Who the hell asked him this, bro? That is wild. Why are you going to ask that man that question right there in front of everybod baby?

[A]

He said, and the promo. That was that, man. Quarterback.

[B]

He said, yeah. I mean, for sure. Definitely. Everyone knows how difficult the quarterback position this year, how difficult the quarterbacks are pushing this year. And it was. You know, we dealt with it, basically. And then he went on to say, I guess USA Today's who is this Prince Grimes? He asked him if he thought that the Vikings could have reached the super bowl if they ran it back with Darnold. And he said, having a quarterback, that's all. Already had a season under his belt with us. Knows the plays, knows the playbook, knows the players, of course, Throwing to me Jordan Atkinson, TJ Hawkinson all those guys. I definitely feel like we would have done better. But it is what it is. It's on to new and better things. But I'm definitely happy and proud for him that he was able to reach it this year. Talking about Darnold recently.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Hey, look here, man. Didn't they fire the GM over there? Yes.

[A]

Well, look, this one will tell you.

[B]

How you fire the gm. This one, you must be making the calls.

[A]

That's when I don't.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I don't know what's going. I don't know what was going on over there, but all I know is Justin Jefferson was supporting my man J.J. mcCarthy the whole season. You know, like, yeah, man, J.J. i believe in you. You know what I'm saying? He's young, first year, rookie, whatever. He was getting hurt, wasn't playing, so he was supporting him. Now he's at the Pro bowl, and y' all ask him, you see, Sam Darnold was doing what he did, had a great. We see it. We see what he's doing. We see how great he's playing. You go and ask them, if he was there, would it be better than if his man's was there? You're going to say, if you're not lying and we believe in you, Justin, and you weren't doing nothing to mess it up all year. You were giving McCarthy all the love, support. Now it's off season, now it's Pro Bowl. Now they're asking you a question. Do you think Sam Darnold would have been better with the team other than him? And he gave his honest answer, yes. In which everybody else would say yes. Obviously they ask stupid questions.

[B]

You gotta go back to Minnesota, man.

[A]

An answer. What do you want him to say? No, listen, J.J. was like, no, if J.J. was healthy, you know what I'm saying? He got something on Sandman.

[B]

Hey, man, this is what I love, not being a player, man.

[A]

Like, I. I know, I know.

[B]

Because you gotta be careful with that. Political, man.

[A]

You gotta be political. You gotta stay out the way.

[B]

If you start asking, we never know.

[A]

We never know.

[B]

You know, if he hadn't got hurt, who knows what it could happen. You know, all that.

[A]

So I saw him and we were. We were doing great. Our camaraderie, we were doing really good. You know, practices were flowing. You know, me and him, we had a little thing.

[B]

Hey, I don't got a crystal ball. I can't tell you the future. You know what I'm saying? I Don't, I don't know. That's what it's supposed to be.

[A]

That, that's what I'm saying. But look Debo, now they got rid of the gm.

[B]

So I'm telling you right now, once you get rid of the GM and you answer it like that, maybe the head coach like yo, yeah, that was the GM. Anyway, so the boy only played 10 games through 10 through 12 picks.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Hey, Darnold had that in the whole season last year. So I'm, I'm just saying like maybe this might be one of those decisions where they, they might be looking for a new quarterback. How do you let him go though? For just because.

[A]

And he was hurt because they wasn't going to pay him because he, well, he didn't help himself looking crazy in the, in a playoff game on the way out. He didn't, he didn't, he didn't put his, you know, didn't put his best foot forward.

[B]

So he done did the damn thing now.

[A]

He did the damn thing. But look, that's what I'm saying. You asked why they did it and now they're like oh, you know, oh, we're going to play Sam, should we pay them $33 million a year or go get this young quarterback that we can have that for the low. And now that's when they mess around and no, you could have signed a.

[B]

Little 30 million, do what they call it. Fuck around and find out.

[A]

Fuck around and find out and then you, you know what I'm saying? A hand in the. When you got Sam Donald here and you see other people with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, you like this 33. Nah, I go get this rookie for the low. You know what I'm saying? I'm not about to pay SAM 33, but a team that has a full blown team, good offense, defense, special teams, he don't got to do crazy. He played defense in the. They should have kept. That's what I'm saying. The Seahawks made the smart move. It's like this Sam Darnold at 33, he's not at 60 million. He's not Josh Allen Lamar. But he's good enough that we have a good ass team and he could do it for us. So he sometimes during the season he still hasn't been playing crazy playoffs he's been spazzing, he's been like balling out of his mind for sure. But during the year the Jones still sometimes like at the beginning look good, middle looked a little foggy and now he's spazzing. So 33 in the year. Sam, he can come through with this game right here. It shows coach team, defense, offense, medium 33, 33.5 quarterback. And then he balls when we need to. You can win. So they're smart. Minnesota, you wild out 33. You try to go for the rookie quarterback like, oh yeah, we're going to just restart it up because like no, I'm not going to pay him. It's the quarterback contracts that throw them off that 60. You're going to pay the best one 60 million. Dak Prescott or Sam Darling at 33 or then you gonna get the A rods where they like old investment. We had to pay 12.

[B]

Hey, you see what Atlanta.

[A]

There's not too many tier. There's not tears.

[B]

You see what Atlanta did. They held on the cousins. It was like.

[A]

Yeah, just in case, you know, 33. That 33 5. That 335 or you or what we gonna give Kyler Murray 50. You know what I'm saying? Tua Tungavailua 48. They're like this. No, what I'm not going to do is they would have gave Sam Darnold 250 and they would have messed around and he would have did the tua tongue of alua and. And they have been like this. See what I'm saying? But now he went out there balled out. But they should have gave him a three. They should have gave him a three for three, 400. And they just.

[B]

Something just popped in my head, Joe. Something just popped in my head. Listen, cousins to Houston.

[A]

Hey, Devo. I mean, so are you saying that another team is going to go pay CJ Stroud the bag because he's still on his rookie deal. He's going to come. He's going to get the bag. Is he going to. Do you think he's going to go get the. He gonna get the bag where he's gonna get the. Some somewhere. They either gonna have to give him a. So you say.

[B]

If you're saying CJ is gonna get the bag after what we've seen the last two, three years.

[A]

Brother, brother, brother, brother.

[B]

The bag.

[A]

So what the. The bag is. Sam Darnold got the bag. The bag is get. So we're not talking.

[B]

He's not getting talking the bag.

[A]

He's talking to 60. You're talking to 60. 60.

[B]

That's the bag.

[A]

He getting the 50 bag. He might get the 50 back it depending on if the. If the Houston Texans don't let him go. He got one more. He has Another year left on this deal. So then before the fifth year option, and then he's going to be able to go. He got to prove a year this year. Right now he's still going to go out there and ball, but I know a team is still signing them for. You don't think they can sign them? What do you. What do you think they sign them for? If he left Houston, the, The. The Sam Darnold bag.

[B]

Listen, you got a defense there right now that is out of control. You better get something there that can guarantee. If he don't do it, you telling me cousin sitting right there right now ain't worth it to you?

[A]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna put it on. I'm. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on cj. I'm gonna put it on cj. He gotta show. I know he's back.

[B]

I'm gonna put Kirk Cousins back there breathing down your neck like, like a, like, like a dragon off.

[A]

I'm putting it on CJ because I know he knows, he wants.

[B]

He.

[A]

He know he knows. He go. He wants that 50 bags and he's gonna be. He gotta go out there and hoop. He did his rookie year and it hasn't been the same same, but I'm still there.

[B]

Cause right now you don't believe in insurance, huh? Man, all the fix in your house, did you fix them yourself? Was insurance fixed?

[A]

They were definitely insured.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They were definitely.

[B]

You don't believe. Hey, get rid of the insurance, Joe. Get rid of the insurance.

[A]

You talking about bringing in Kirk Cousins and. So you bringing in Kirk Cousins and. And we're still. Is C.J. styles still the starting quarterback this year? Are you getting rid of him?

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna keep him there, but I need that. I need to put some pressure on you.

[A]

So you're gonna have him right now, what you gonna pay? What you gonna pay, Kirk? 12. 12? To be the backup or what?

[B]

I' ma paying whatever he asked for. That ain't.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

That ain't above 20. Okay.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[B]

So you. I got a new cap space and all that.

[A]

No, that. That's what I'm trying to tell you. So the money. That's where you say the. Yeah, CJ. No, I mean Tua got the 48.

[B]

And look what happened.

[A]

I understand, I understand. That's why they.

[B]

But then he holding them hostage right now with that contract.

[A]

No, he damn sure is.

[B]

He raping them boys over the table. They would say that's what he said.

[A]

I'm the best in the nation.

[B]

In the nation. You gonna give me that back?

[A]

Oh, nah.

[B]

But, yo, hey, hold up, though. Hold up. Did you see the boxer, man?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Real Miller dude. His piece. You see his piece come off, bro? His hairpiece, brother.

[C]

Debo.

[B]

I saw the joint live, brother.

[A]

I saw it live, brother.

[B]

And then he threw that thing into.

[A]

The Brother, brother, brother, brother. Hey, brother, brother, brother. He was hitting him right in his hairline and that joint popped up. Listen, bruh, it got the peeking and waving at people, my bro. When he went to the side. When he went to the side, though, bro, he had to take it off because it would have jumped off during the match and it would have had a whole. You had the whole. Your whole top on the canvas looking crazy.

[B]

Joe, listen, I ain't gonna lie. I didn't watch the fight, right? But I'm looking at a picture where they're like going through the slides of it, and I'm like. And in my head. Listen, Joe, I ain't gonna even lie. I was like. I was like, damn, he beating that boy's ass so bad. He pushing his hairline back, bruh.

[A]

Debo. And I'm watching the fight.

[B]

He kept.

[A]

He kept. Like they was rubbing. He kept rubbing his head against them. I'm like, oh, my. What's going on? Is he about to take his whole head off?

[B]

What made you think, bruh, that that was gonna hold on with all that sweat? Like, how long had he been holding on? Had he ever had a picture where he was actually bald?

[A]

I don't know. I don't know. He trying to say. He went. Somebody said he wouldn't got a die and his hair burned, so he had to go get the top. I don't believe it. Cause I seen the picture. I don't know. I seen. My brother told me that he saw something about that. I said, I didn't see that. All I'm telling you is I saw the joint on the Instagram when he turned off.

[B]

So he had to get a piece on top.

[A]

Had to get a piece on top. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I think. Cause his head looked clean. It looked like a regular baldy. Like, besides the fake line that they had on the front.

[B]

Well, you know, that's how you gotta do it to get a piece laid on.

[A]

I. I know because I was about.

[B]

To get mine done. I was gonna shave it right here, round through here.

[A]

And then I was about to put it. Debo, you was gonna put a piece.

[B]

On I'm gonna put a piece on. But I was gonna have dreads, though. You know what I'm saying, man? I'm gonna have. Dre. I'm gonna have mine dreaded up and tell them I went to the Hair Club for Men, whatever that is you.

[A]

Debo, you can't go from the clean, clean chrome dome to the dreads miracle.

[B]

Grow like plants, except it's hair. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

You just. I don't know what made you think.

[B]

That glue was gonna hold with all that sweat and head.

[A]

I don't know what the. And he's going in a boxing match. Buddy was. Buddy was hitting him right on his hairline. Bop, bop. I was like, damn, bro, gotta watch. If you look back at the fight, too, I seen his bench when he went to the corner, and it was sitting on the top of his head, kind of folded a little bit. He was looking. I seen the man looking at him like he was talking, and he was just ready. He's like, hey, but I gotta take this off your head before you go back out there. You know, you look nuts.

[B]

You know, you got. You know, it's sitting up.

[A]

Do you feel that?

[B]

Do you feel that wind?

[A]

That breeze?

[B]

That breeze?

[A]

Hey, it blew on the top of his head.

[B]

The glue done let loose now. Balled off the top of your head.

[A]

Hey, hey, brother, let you know, your top off right now. You riding.

[B]

Hey, man, he won the split decision, but I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't even know if I could have gave it to him, man. He just got. You just got your toupee beat off you, you know.

[A]

Hey, beat off, man. Had the inside of his tooth. Oh, did that.

[B]

Hey, man, it looked like he was trying to beat it off of you, too. Every time he hit him, he looked.

[A]

Every time he hit him. Yeah, I was good, bro. That had me weak. You can't do that. Went to the boxing match with a toupee on, bro. You can't do that.

[B]

Like, who told him that was a good idea? Like, at what point? Like, yeah, all right. I burnt. He burnt his hair. I burnt my hair off, man. I'm gonna need you to give me a piece. Like, who do you find for that? Like, every barber ain't doing that. No, no, he had to search that out.

[A]

They're artists, and they lied to him.

[B]

And said, we go, oh, man, this will never come off.

[A]

I'm gonna come. I'm gonna put this high top box, fade on your ass. And you gonna look so good at that fight and then knocked it off. Give you this. I would give you this, Will Smith, Fresh Prince. Jump, and you gonna be so clean.

[B]

Hey, they gotta be like. They gotta be like, you can't. That's some type of equipment that you can't have. Like, that's it. Gotta be against some type of rules or something.

[A]

Like, bro, if you a whole boxer, you need to go ahead and go in there, ball head. Go in that John, ball head, bro. You about to go in that thing and box. He tried to put the toupee on at a professional boxing match where he's going to go hit your hairline. He's going to hit you in the face.

[B]

He was thinking. He was thinking that he couldn't hit him on top of the head to be legal, but he ain't realized, like.

[A]

The only glue that stayed. The only glue that stayed was on.

[B]

The back because he couldn't pull it off. And pulled off a little bit of that skin, too. He had. He was bleeding a little bit.

[A]

I ain't lying, Joe.

[B]

Yeah. Lying to you so super. Worked in one spot, but it just worked enough to keep it.

[A]

That's flapping on what I'm telling you.

[B]

Freeze. Dude, he was hitting him so hard, man. It just. He wasn't even hitting him hard like that, but it was just popping, I think. Was just popping up off his head, bro.

[A]

That was actually crazy, bruh. Like, that was actually crazy.

[B]

Listen, listen, I. I ain't even. He still won, though. Split decision.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. Won it by hair.

[B]

Oh, Lord. Joe, listen. Joe, listen. Joe, listen. Joe, stop. Joe, stop. Joe, listen.

[A]

That man got spanked.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. Look here, man. We gotta let the people know, man. We will not be here tomorrow, right?

[A]

No, we will not be here tomorrow.

[B]

We will be traveling to the Super Bowl. We're using that as a travel day. But we will be live from the media center, Wednesday and Thursday, 11 to 1245.

[A]

Wednesday, Thursday, 11 Eastern.

[B]

We'll have guests for the first time. So y' all be there. Yes. Tap in, Joe.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

What you. What you looking to do? What you looking to do? Who you. Who you want to talk to? Joe? It don't. Don't say nothing. Just. I know I. Give me the look. I could tell. Oh, for real? Okay. Okay. That's who. Ah, no. Angel. You the damn lie.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Lord.

[B]

You. You or something? Something boy, I think. All right, baby. Look here, man. Let's go, man. We go be where we at. What's the boo. We got a boo. We ain't got a booth number yet.

[A]

Anyway, we're gonna let y' all know.

[B]

88. Booth 88. Come on through the media center. We go. Be there. Okay. I think we might be making an appearance, you know, Nightcap with Shannon, the chat over there Thursday night. So let's get it cracking.

[A]

The homies.

[B]

The homies for sure. Joe.

[A]

Yes, sir. Hey, man, it's been a pleasure. Make sure y' all tap in with us live when we out in San Fran. We gonna see y' all out there with our first time with our live guests. It's gonna be lit.

[B]

Gonna be lit. I wanna thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Deebo. And Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe and download wherever you get your podcast. We'll be right back here on Radio Morning. And we out.

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