Deebo & Joe - Mike McCarthy to the Steelers? Baker FIRES OFF at Stefanski, CJ Stroud goes VIRAL

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe: Mike McCarthy to the Steelers? Baker FIRES OFF at Stefanski, CJ Stroud goes VIRAL

Date: January 23, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)
Featured Hosts: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

In this lively Club Shay Shay episode, James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden tackle some of the NFL’s hot topics and controversies, keeping the conversation candid, insightful, and unapologetically real. The duo dives into CJ Stroud’s struggles and viral comments, Baker Mayfield's emotional call-out of his former coach, the Pittsburgh Steelers' future (including speculation around Mike McCarthy and the franchise’s rebuild), bold playoff predictions, and even musings on coaching in the NFL. Packed with player anecdotes, behind-the-scenes perspectives, and barbershop banter, this episode is a thorough breakdown of current league happenings from an insider’s perspective.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. CJ Stroud’s Viral Comments and Playoff Downturn

[03:36 – 13:46]

• Deebo and Joe play a recent clip of CJ Stroud reflecting on not needing to be "Superman" and the challenges of not being the main focus on offense any longer.
• Deebo’s Take: Stroud is getting into his own head about his performance and “making excuses” rather than owning his struggles.
  • “He’s just so far into his head right now that he can’t kind of get out of his way.” (Deebo, 06:40)
• Joe’s Perspective: While praising Stroud’s talent and rookie year, Joe stresses the importance of accountability for a QB, especially after late-season poor performances—namely too many fumbles and interceptions.
  • “When you don’t play well, you got to stand up on that and take it. You’re a professional quarterback.” (Joe, 06:44)
  • “Just take it on the chin.” (Joe, 08:11)
• Both agree Stroud needs to focus on steady, smart play, and that the Texans’ defense often bailed out the offense this season.
• Contract Implications: They discuss how this narrative may impact Stroud’s upcoming contract negotiations.

Notable Quote:

“There’s a little bit of truth in every joke, you know what I’m saying?”
— Deebo, 05:51

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2. Baker Mayfield vs. Kevin Stefanski: The Call-Out

[14:27 – 21:53]

• Baker Mayfield calls out former Browns coach Kevin Stefanski for a lack of communication upon his departure, saying “still waiting on a call or text after I was shipped off like a piece of garbage.”
  • Deebo quips, “I guess Joe defended him, but, hey... this is your dude, Stefanski.” (15:04)
• Joe Haden shares his own stories of being released:
  • Coaches often aren’t the ones to let you go, and a personal call is rare.
  • “When I did it, the head coach... didn't know. The GM released me without Hugh Jackson being aware.” (Joe, 15:31)
• Both agree that NFL exits are often impersonal and business-driven, but understand why Baker feels slighted.

Memorable Exchange:

“So you still talking about he. It’s a two-way street. No, it ain’t, bro.”
— Deebo, 20:02
“That league is cutthroat, bro.”
— Joe, 20:02

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3. Steelers’ Coaching Vacancy – Mike McCarthy? Aaron Rodgers? Time for a Rebuild

[26:29 – 36:14]

• Rumors swirl about Mike McCarthy potentially joining the Steelers, perhaps reuniting with Aaron Rodgers.
  • Joe's reaction is emphatic:

    “No. I want something fresh. I want something new... Just a little younger. That’s all I’m saying.”
    — Joe, 26:45

• Deebo and Joe agree the franchise is at a true “rebuild” crossroads, despite organizational reluctance to use that term.
  • “Have to actually rebuild this thing.” (Deebo, 28:00)
• The challenges of finding a franchise quarterback are discussed, with hopes pinned on young talent like Will Howard.
• Both favor a youthful, long-term head coach rather than going back to the “same old” with McCarthy.
• Franchise QB Question: They acknowledge the unknown ceiling of current developmental QBs, weighing the merits of going with a proven veteran vs. bottoming out for a top draft pick.

Notable Quote:

“We need a franchise quarterback... Yes, we’re going to move anywhere on this chart, bro, because we’ve been having too many just above the, you know, just above the water seasons.”
— Deebo, 34:23

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4. Quarterback Pipeline: Archie Manning and the Hype

[36:38 – 38:27]

• In response to a listener question about whether the Steelers should target Archie Manning in the future, both hosts express skepticism:
  • Joe doubts that Archie has proven himself a “number one overall” prospect yet.
  • Deebo argues that Manning's bloodline brings strong intangibles but wants to “see more tape.”

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5. Broncos vs. Patriots: Playoff Preview & Air in Denver

[38:34 – 51:04]

• Deebo and Joe break down the Broncos-Patriots matchup:
  • Both pick the Patriots to win, citing Denver’s offense issues and reliance on defense.
  • The significance of Denver’s thin air is discussed, with Deebo sharing personal anecdotes about its physical toll:
    • “That air up in there, it does not agree with me. I come back pissing blood, bruh.” (Deebo, 43:55)
• They analyze what each team needs to do to win, emphasizing running the ball and turnover differential.
• Score Predictions:
  • Deebo: “23 to 10 Patriots.” (51:40)
  • Joe: “26 to 13 Patriots.” (51:57)

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6. Seahawks vs. Rams: Another Playoff Showdown

[52:11 – 60:05]

• Joe: Takes the Rams, trusting Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay's offensive creativity.
• Deebo: Picks the Seahawks, citing the strength of their defense and running game.
• Both acknowledge weaknesses on both sides – particularly Rams’ struggles on 3rd down and the absence of Seahawks RB Charbonnet.
• Score Predictions:
  • Deebo: “Seattle, 20 to 17.” (59:35)
  • Joe: Initially predicts “Rams 33-24” but revises to “27-24 Rams” after Deebo’s pushback. (60:23)
• Key Debate:
  • Joe: “I believe that Stafford is gonna do it and show how goaty.” (57:41)
  • Deebo: “Defense wins championships, man.” (58:06)

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7. Player Fade Segment: Prop Bets & Predictions

[61:14 – 63:32]

• The hosts pick prop bets for the Sunday games:
  • Deebo does not expect Denver’s QB to pass for over 200 yards; Joe thinks Rams WR Puka Nacua will get 100 receiving yards “for sure.”
  • The banter is light, with jabs about who’s going to be proven wrong.

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8. NFL Coaching Carousel: Philip Rivers’ Head Coaching Interview

[63:32 – 65:54]

• Deebo and Joe are floored by reports Philip Rivers is interviewing for the Buffalo Bills head coaching gig after only coaching high school.
  • “If they get him the job, we need to get the job.” (Deebo, 63:32)
  • They riff about applying themselves, given their qualifications.
  • Joe: “If Philip Rivers just got to interview Debo, ain’t no way you can’t get no interview.” (65:34)

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9. Fan Q&A: Mike Tomlin’s Departure & Super Bowl Picks

[67:21 – 69:51]

• A question about Mike Tomlin’s exit is addressed: Both clarify Tomlin wasn’t “pushed out” and made his own decision to leave.
• Super Bowl Picks:
  • Joe: “Patriots vs. Rams.”
  • Deebo: Halfway agrees, but sees Seattle making it over the Rams. Brags his picks will pan out.

Episode closes with both promising a Monday recap—and more trash talk depending on who’s right about their predictions.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On CJ Stroud’s Comments:
  “When you don’t play well, you got to... be able to own up to it. You don’t do good, you don’t do good.” — Joe Haden, 06:43

• On NFL Business:
  “That league is cutthroat, bro.” — Joe Haden, 20:02

• On the State of the Steelers:
  “You have to actually rebuild this thing... We need a franchise quarterback.” — Deebo, 28:00 / 34:23

• On Coaching Inexperience:
  “If they get him the job, we need to get the job.” — Deebo, 63:32

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Highlight Timestamps

• CJ Stroud Discussion: 03:36 – 13:46
• Baker Mayfield/Stefanski: 14:27 – 21:53
• Steelers Rebuild (McCarthy, Rodgers): 26:29 – 36:14
• Archie Manning as Future QB: 36:38 – 38:27
• Broncos vs. Patriots Preview: 38:34 – 51:04
• Seahawks vs. Rams Preview: 52:11 – 60:05
• Prop Bets Segment: 61:14 – 63:32
• Philip Rivers Coaching Rumor: 63:32 – 65:54
• Fan Q&A, Super Bowl Predictions: 67:21 – 69:51

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Tone & Style

Casual, witty, and authentic. Both Deebo and Joe bring locker room energy and realness, sharing stories from their playing days and not shying away from tough truths about NFL life. The episode is filled with friendly ribbing, bold predictions, and a sense that nothing is off-limits.

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Takeaway

This episode is the perfect listen for NFL fans seeking honest, entertaining analysis from two guys who’ve lived it -- from the intricacies of locker-room departures and contract years to the nitty-gritty of playoff matchups and coaching searches. Deebo and Joe’s chemistry shines as they chop it up, blending sharp football insight with humor and vulnerability, leaving listeners fully prepped for the weekend’s action, and what may come next for some of the league’s biggest names and teams.

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Welcome back to D Boy and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe and download wherever you get your podcast. Joe, what up? How you doing today, brother Deebo?

[Joe Hayden]

You know it. Another day, another day, another dollar. Another day. We wake up, get to talk, get to chop it up about these sports, about my good mans, what's going on. We got some good football. We got my young man, cj. It's crazy.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I see what we're starting to show off with, C.J. and that's my good young man. So this is where now when we're on the show and I start feeling uncomfortable because we gotta talk about what was said, you know what I'm saying? So we're gonna.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hey, hey, let's go ahead and play.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's go ahead and let it play.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Let people hear what was said.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, go ahead, man.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I think just the turnovers, you know, like, I haven't really been prone to turnovers in my career, especially, like, you know, the timely turnovers, you know, where, you know, I've, like, I told y' all before, I really, you know, been on. I've been on some great teams my whole career where a lot of them are, you know, offensive droving, you know, and, like, you know, playing for Coach Day, where, you know, we're taking shots and all these. And then, you know, like, being on this team, you know, where, you know, we're more full everywhere, you know, where it's offense, defense, and special teams, but, you know, defense, as you know, is making a bunch of plays. So, you know, this year was a. Was a step for me where, like, I didn't have to be Superman all the time, and I'm still growing in that, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I appreciate my teams for taking a lot of pressure, you know, off of my plate, but also, you know, they do know that I can make those plays.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

So, Joe, Joe, hey, so he ain't gotta be Superman. Like, he Said, you know, it's easier. At least that's what I'm getting for Joe. Make this no use for me.

[Joe Hayden]

You tell. No, you. You give me what you say, what you feel from this first. Debo, please.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

Yo, so you go ahead.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

What this is telling me is that he don't need to go be Superman, as he said, but I feel like he feel like maybe he need to go be Superman. Maybe, you know, because, like you said, you know, maybe it's because the defense playing too good. This is why. This is why he's having these issues. Man, my chair keeps sinking. I have to get a new one. That's why he, you know, that's. That. That might be, you know, why he's. He's having these issues. And you look at it and you go back and it makes you think of when he said, you know, I'm not as. I'm not as quick as I used to be compared to what I was when I was in high school and he watching his high school tape and, you know, he was lighter and fat.

[Joe Hayden]

I talked to him about that one. I told you. He said he was. He was being sarcastic.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

So, you know, maybe that's the. The issue why. But he has to understand, too. You're. You're in high school, you're not playing against NFL caliber. So with that said, you know, he came back and said he was joking. But the fact is, you know, it's actually a little bit of truth in every joke, you know what I'm saying? So I think he, you know, he's believing or feeling at least. And once you start to feel it and you start to believe it, you know, what you focus on is what grows. Did, you know, expect to expect the worst. And you'll find it, you know what I'm saying? Wherever it is. So I think right now that's a lot of it. And he's just so far into his head right now that he can't kind of get out of his way.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yes. Okay. So I'm going to come from the perspective of, like, I always been telling you, I love C.J. strout. I think he's a great person, great kid. But when. When you don't play well, you know, I'm saying you got to, like, be able to kind of own up to it. So just saying, like, the defense did good, and you were. When you don't play well, you got to stand up on that and take it. You're a professional quarterback, and that's just you don't do good. You don't do good. You trying to like point out other things and make a little bit of excuses for it. You don't have to do that, cj. You know what I'm saying? We know what you got. We know what you got. And you, we know when you do play well, you know I'm saying stand on it. That's what you're supposed to do. That's how you play your rookie season. Amazing. And you started coming down and not playing as well. I think those last two games when he lost all those fumbles versus Steelers, that was a very bad game. Then when he played against the last one, when he had those four picks in the first half versus the New England Patriots, that was a very bad game. So when you end the season bad like that, you got to kind of stand on it. I know when, when you, you want to kind of like don't want people to forget the good times, the good old days, like what you, what you were doing, like how you made these plays. But this, that's not the time. Your agent in the off season, you're going to figure that out. But at that very moment, you got to stand on, ah, I got to do better. Not. Our defense is doing so good and I'm just trying. They know I can make these plays. This is not the time for us to talk about the good old days. You know what I'm saying? Just take it on the chin, you.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

You have to play better because the defense is doing their thing. They balled out like now it's a team game. So you're saying you used to be able to throw it deep. Right now you're asking for checkdowns. Don't throw interceptions. Don't put them in positions to lose the game like you normally. Like when you have a solid team, it's offense does well, defense doing anything and special teams. Right. In these two games, you are hurting your team. You know what I'm saying? So this is nowhere for you to be. Like, stand on. You just had two bad games. It's going to be good. You're going to move on. But blaming, like, just say, like, it's just. I just don't want to. That's just not a place for my man. You don't need to talk about that there. That's just not a good time. Not the right place. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Like you said his rookie year, dude, he had a good year. Oh, yeah. He Had a good rookie year. The second year, everybody. Well, not everybody. A lot of people have a slump. And I think the reason why a lot of people had that slump is now I know what it is that you do well, don't do well. It's not your rookie year anymore. I had time. I have a year of tape to look at what you do well, what you don't do well and prepare for you now. So he's looking at that, and that's the reason he went back earlier in the year and was like, yo, what did I do better that I was doing, you know, in previous years? And I'm not going back as far as my high school because that's just. That's wild. But you look at, you know, this year, he was sacked 52 times compared to his rookie year was 38. Well, he was using his legs to get out of it. He was quicker, faster. So now he's looking back at tape and he's like, oh, that's what it is. I was quicker. I was faster. I felt like I was more athletic. So now he really getting into his head about how it is that, you know, he think he's performing or need to perform. Like, you got the same offensive line, so that's the only. Well, as far as how well they played, you know, and he's looking back and he's like, okay, I was able to get out. How was I doing it in high school? How was I doing in college or whatever? That may be as far back as college, as far as back in high school. Like I said, it's crazy to me, but that's what he's looking at. And right now he's really in his head. So now it's like, okay, what else is it? Well, I was asked to do a lot more, maybe. No, what are we talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

No, it's like me telling you, joe.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hey, Joe, you ain't gotta. You ain't got. Listen, all I need you to do, Joe, is not get beat deep and tackle the catch. I don't need you to break nothing up. I don't understand nothing, huh? And that's it.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, yes, I need you all I need to keep the ball in front.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Of you and keep the quarterback in the pocket.

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[Joe Hayden]

So I, I, I hear C.J. and I know he's a baller. So I'm just knowing right now, moving forward next year, it's time to go. You gotta go ball. And I hear what you're saying, and just don't turn the ball over. Do what you do normally, if the big play is there, make it. If the big play's not there, check it down, you know what I'm saying? Like, be who you are, do what you do. And I know you got the ability. So that's just when. When he's making those comments, I just don't want people to be able to shoot shots at him because I know he's a good kid. I know he means what well. And he's not trying to say. He's like, I just don't want y' all to forget the stuff here. I'm like, dj, leave that for us. Leave that for me to say. You're a baller, you know what I'm saying? You've certain things that you had bad games. We're going to stand it out. You can't turn the ball over like that and have this type of defense. You could easily. I think you could easily won. So you want to take that one on the chin. And next season, just don't do that. Team balls out, and you're going to be still successful.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? I think with his contracts up, too, like figuring out with Houston, you know what I'm saying? Are they going to extend him? Are they going to wait a year? Because his agent is amazing. I know he's going to go get.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hey, that's what it's coming down to is, are you on that last leg right now, your play has been declining. And then in the last two weeks of the season, the defense has been the only thing that has been. Well, the last week. Well, before last week, before that, the only thing that was saving you was the defense. So now he's like, oh, man, you know, it's contract time that's coming, so.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, for sure.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You know, he's trying to, you know, trying to kind of push away some of the negativity, like you said. And, hey, but I did this, you know, but yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Letting your agent.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You know what I'm saying? So you got a whole. You got a whole nother year, you know, because they're not gonna let you go. They ain't gonna do nothing goofy like that to go ahead and show what it is that you can do. But I just don't like the approach of giving excuses like, yo, I played bad.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, just stand on that because I know you. You. You're a pro. You're going to get what you. We're going to. We know. We don't. The GMs and us, we don't Forget the good also, you know what I'm saying? It's not like we just forget everything when you do do this. But it's not for you now to bring that stuff up when this just happened. You know what I'm saying?

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah. You know Derrick Lewis, the UFC fighter?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

He had.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

He had his own opinion of what he think. He think went on. Listen to this. What moves would you like to see the Texans make for next season? I guess we got to see what's going on with cj. I think ever since we seen him show up with Amber Rose at the softball game a few years ago and Kim Kardashian and all that, I'm like, damn, it might be like a curse for.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope, nope. No, I'm not letting him do that because I. Nope, nope.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Because, hey, I'm with you, man. Because my thing is this, like. I don't know about the Kim Kardashian thing, but I think the. The Amber Rose thing. I think he just gave her a ride back to her hotel. Her people left off or something.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Kardashian. They in a. You know, was it super bowl or something like that? Everybody just happened to be. It wasn't even hers, you know, it was just like a. Somebody else had something. It was everybody, you know, flowing through.

[Joe Hayden]

Not letting people do that, man.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, I ain't gonna do that. Like, no Kardashian. Like, no, that's way worse than what.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

That's like life changing. Like it's over with. You know what I'm saying? Like, that type of.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no, bro, chill out.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

That level. You know what I'm saying, man?

[Joe Hayden]

Them people, they. I. I don't like. They're good people, man. I know Chloe. Cause she was going with. Dating Tristan, you know what I'm saying? Homies good people, bro. So I don't like that things happen. And I think the Amber Rose joint, like you said, he was being a good Samaritan, Being a good guy. Being a good guy. You know what I'm saying? And like, yeah, no, no, no. I'm not going to just. I'm not. Not on Deebo and Joe. We not going to push that. The curse joint.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

No, no, I can't do the curse, man. When it comes down to it, you play better on the field. None of this even come up, bro, 1,000%.

[Joe Hayden]

You don't throw four picks, and then we good.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, for sure. Baker Mayfield, let's go on over here. He called out Stefanski, your boy.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

He said, can't wait to see you twice a year, he said. Failed is quite the reach, pal. Still waiting on the call text from him after I was shipped off like a piece of garbage. Can't wait to see you twice a year, Coach. And I guess tell them how you feel, babe. Yeah, I guess. I guess Joe defended him, but, hey, obviously this is your dude, you know, Stefanski.

[Joe Hayden]

See, there you go. That's.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

No, I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, okay.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I mean. I mean, Baker. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Baker, Baker. Y' all did win the playoff game, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

So I like, baby.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Right, right, right. What do you think of this comment? And he's saying the coach didn't text and call him, whatever that beat may be like, sometimes that just. That just don't happen. I don't know what their talk was or agreement was. Like, you got released, Joe. Who told you? Who talked to you when you were released?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, see, that's what I'm saying. When I did it, the head coach, Hugh Jackson, didn't know. D coordinator didn't know. They called me though, the gm and they brought me in, you know what I'm saying? Then I talked to them, we started. They let me know I was released. So they didn't know. But I went and saw the coaches and they were trying to figure it out. But, yeah, so I saw the coaches, I saw everybody. I saw the gm, I walked through the thing and they called me in and it was a sad day. But I'm saying for Baker, I don't know how the coach, I would expect that if he has a good relationship with the coach, that he would have definitely got in touch with them and tried to figure it out. But that's where I'm saying where sometimes who's running it, who's making decision? The GM released me without Hugh Jackson being. Being aware. So I was just getting cut. And then he was kind of like.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Oh, but you talked to Hugh, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, but then I went in there, talked to you, and then they was talking about trying to figure something out, but the GM was like, no, the decision was made. They made the decision. I wasn't willing to take a pay cut and you're out. You know what I'm saying? So that was like, hey, Coach, what you going to tell me? Joe's not taking a pay cut, we're letting him go, you know what I'm saying? So that's where I'm like, with Baker and his relationship with the coach. What was Stefanski saying to Him. Were they saying that he's going to try to keep him? I don't know those details. Baker knows those details between him and Stefanski. So when he says things like this, it's hard for me to step in and be like, yeah, I mean, if you just got cut, thrown out like no trash, and the coach didn't even holler at you, like you felt bad, was like, oh, no, Joe. Like, what's going on? So we were literally talking. I seen him. So Baker could still be like, did you not say nothing to him? Did you not know what was going on? And he's like, Sepasti just went like the. The buddy on what's the show with the damn. When he slide into the bushes, you know what I'm saying? That's what Sepansky might have did on Baker.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Simpson.

[Joe Hayden]

Homer Simpson, yeah. Slid on the bushes on him. And Baker like, yo, where you at? You ain't gonna give me no heads up, no nothing. So I could see why he would say that. But then he's saying, like, no call, no text. No call, no text, no nothing. And then Joe saying that the phone lines work both ways. I think he's saying, you could have hit coach up. But if I'm Baker, I'm like, I'm the player. You in the position power. You letting me. You chopping me, and you not going to holla at me. Like, I don't have the balls in your court. I want to be here.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You know, everybody gets released a different way. And I understand what you're saying there, because different people tell you, you know, you're released, whatever. Like when you got released from up or you didn't get re signed to Pittsburgh, like, it was probably, boy, I.

[Joe Hayden]

Didn'T get re signed to Pittsburgh. It was like it was the agents talking to him. And then it was, once your contract is up, your contract is up. Like, you just gracefully, like, once exit meetings. I'm in the locker room during exit meetings. I didn't even go to the exit meeting for the Steelers because I knew it was over. We've been talking about trying to get the contract, seeing what was up. And then after the exit meeting, I'm like, oh, it's really done. So I didn't even walk up there, just exit meeting. I just packed my junk, had my little bag and left. I'm like, I know it's a rap. You know what I'm saying? So that's how. That's how that went down.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, yeah, that usually. That's usually how it happened. Like, even when. Hell, when I got released, I think I heard from Kevin or my agent or whatever it was and whatnot. Coach, like, that's not. You know, things are done different ways. Like when I would get released, when I got released, when coward was there. Hell, well, once it was coward. Like, actually twice it was coward. And then the other two, I think were. The last one, I think was. Was covert again. Like, the funny thing is, like, the first time I got released. So, you know how you go in there and, you know, you sit down with the coach and they tell you, you know, whatever. Well, you ain't never. Because he was a first rounder. But anyway, I'm gonna tell you how it goes.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, Let me know how I go.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

So you go in there, they sit down. You know, I'm. I'm becoming like one of the, you know, the last cuts. And I'm like, okay, you know, sit down. He's like, all right, so, you know, we're gonna. We're gonna release you and, you know, etc. Etc. All this stuff. I'm like, all right, cool. And I, you know, I just get up to walk out and leave. He's like, you ain't. You ain't got no questions? I'm like, no, you know, I ain't got no questions. He's like, well, you. I'm like, I really don't have no questions. And I said. I'm like, yeah, anything that I say is not gonna change your opinion. So I don't have nothing to say.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't got nothing to tell.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

So is it gonna change your mind?

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna get up out of here. Yeah, right.

[Joe Hayden]

That league is cutthroat, bro.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, I ain't. Like I said, I ain't tripping. So you still talking about he. It's a two way street. No, it ain't, bro. That ain't no two way street, boy. He expected some type of a. You know, obviously they had some type of conversation that he didn't get whatever he thought was supposed to be a text call or whatever that. Hell, when I left the Steelers, I had been asking them, well, when they released me, but when they released me, game one, when we played in Cleveland, I was like, yo, why don't y' all just, you know, release me? It's cool. I understand the business. I see when you want to play. Young guys, I ain't tripping. Obviously, they denied me that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

All the way up until. Listen, here's the wild thing, dude. So when they released me, I asked them on Friday. I'm like, yo, I'm like, mike, y' all ain't gonna use me, so why don't you just let me stay here? You know what I'm saying? It's Christmas. I can stay here with my family, whatever. Have a Christmas at the crib. They go, no, no, no, I can't do that. I'm gonna need you there. I'm like, okay, whatever. The next day, they released me. No call. It was Kevin or my agent. So it's no call, no text from him after he said, right, bruh?

[Joe Hayden]

It'd be like that.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I'm like, okay. I'm like, okay. But then had the nerd to text me, who you go anoint for your game day. Your game day activities. I don't know if you was there. Did I ever give you the game packs I used to make?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I think so. I think so.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

One of the pre game game packs. Focus, concentration, you know, all that stuff. Neurotrophies, all that. How you going, right? And then go text me that the day they cut me. Like I said, what? That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

Ask you for the goodie bag.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Right, Right. No. Oh, no.

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[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

No. Oh, no. That's. What are you talking about? That's not happening, man. Look, they talking about Aaron Rodgers and McCarty. What you think, bro? What you think?

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Rogers and McCarthy. They go get that.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. I'm not. I'm not. I'm. I'm not. No, No. I want something. I want something fresh. I want something fresh. I want something new. Are we ready? Are we ready for the redo or are we not? Everybody said it's ready for the redo, like now since Tomlin's gone. Mike Tomlin's not there. We switched up. Danny Smith's not there. There's no more gum chewing on the side.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

No.

[Joe Hayden]

It needs to be a hurt.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

That's a hurt. That's a. That's one that won't hurt.

[Joe Hayden]

That one hurt my soul.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

They should have just signed him, man.

[Joe Hayden]

And Kenny, man, this still. Cause there's special teams and bankroll boss. As long as bankroll boss is there, we bankroll boss and Danny Smith. Just chilling. They haven't done no wrong. So I'm a little sad with that. But Mike McCarthy just gives me same old. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's been in the league. Like, he's. I'm not. No disrespect, though. I think he'd be good coach. Bring an offensive. Bring a good offensive mind. We need an offensive mind. I like them. I like where they're thinking. I like where they're going, but younger. You know what I'm saying? I like where they're going, but just a little younger. That's all I'm saying.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, I don't. I don't. I'm with you. I don't see it happening because Aaron is not the future of the organization.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

And you know, to be real, I'm. I'm. I'm hoping these shoes doesn't return because like. Like you said, dude, this is a rebuild period. I know the Steelers don't want to say that or. Or don't want to bleed that or just whatever that may be like. So if you don't want to say it because it just sounds bad, but if you actually believe it, that's Worse, because the reality of it is have to actually rebuild this thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

It's not like, you know, they're saying they had a league source that was like, yeah, well, the coaches will be interviewing Stiller brass as much as they will be interviewing the coach. And that's true, dude. Like, we are going to have to have, and I call it this, a first or second pick losing season if we want to get a franchise quarterback. Okay. And we're going to have to give up everything and whatever else in the world to try and get one that is a proven one right now. And ain't nobody giving up one, dude. And I know Art said, you know, I don't know if this is a rebuild year, but he also said, I don't like to use that word. It's telling me, okay, he understands and followed that by we're trying to compete day one, if we can. So I think he understands it could be a rebuild, and if that happens, then that's what's going to happen. But he's not, you know, he's hoping for the best. And again, like, it may not be the word they want to put out there. Like, yo, we're rebuilding. Stiller fans get ready. Especially when they ain't used to that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. And. And there's different ways of being able to rebuild like we have. They got Will Howard, like, we need a franchise quarterback, but going younger, getting rid of some contracts, being able to get draft picks, being able to accumulate talent in that way and being able to trade off draft picks, being able to, if you have a lot of draft picks, being able to trade one to get high higher in the draft, just doing something, being able to move, being able to have a lot more options when you are going younger. And if you do have a good coach and you have Will Howard, you have young talent that you're drafting that's playing well, you might not do good for a year, but that second year, you know what I'm saying, you can start really. It doesn't have to be like, we're losing for three years straight.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

No.

[Joe Hayden]

The first year, young Will Howard with a bunch of young talent trying to figure it out, everybody's getting their back getting bruised, but the second year, they're building it up to be able to actually be nice. So I don't think they, the Steelers, the Rooneys, they understand, like, it's going to be a little down, but not saying, like a complete rebuild, like, we're going to be terrible for four years. Nah, it's going to take a Little time. We get the right head coach, we get the right quarterback, we start these draft picks that we have, the Herbics, the, the Washingtons, these dudes are actually balling. And then we do get rid of say DK Metcalf and we get another receiver out here that's a number one, that's hooping, you know what I'm saying? So being able to just have their mind open because it's a new coach, it's the new dude that's coming in here, he can do what he wants and bring in a lot of talent the same way like the, like the Patriots were doing, you know what I'm saying, in the Bears. So just being able to know now, starting off with a fresh slate, having a good coach and being ready to move these pieces around and being able to like not be, not be attached to nothing.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I understand what you're saying, but like we don't even really know what, what's the quarterback that we have now. We don't even know what he could do.

[Joe Hayden]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

We have no understanding of what it is that he's capable of doing. So I mean it could work out, it couldn't work out. But we're talking about having him as the, as one of the quarterbacks and then not having a proven and obviously we're not gonna get nothing in the draft right now. So yeah, I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Joe Hayden]

This is what I'm saying. If we, we drafted Will Howard, we still have him. Let's get a man a chance, do you know what I'm saying? And even if we're bad this year, they still have, we have a backup quarter at Mason Rudolph. Like we said, it's not going to be the best of years. So we're not going to be, we might not be good. We might lose with Will Howard, you know what I'm saying? So if he ends up, we lose this season when we end up being able to get a high first round pick next season at the quarterback this year may not be, but is it.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Somebody there for next season?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I think that's something that they got to look at and see because again, this would be a reason why I would be like, okay, I want to bring Aaron back. Why? Because it'll still make us competitive. We're not looking for that high, high pick for this coming year because we don't see it. But maybe we see it the year after and then the year after. Go ahead and let the, let the roster see what it could do by letting you know a proven veteran quarterback go, that, you know, can make you competitive. And for that whole year, you got an opportunity to see what it is that your backups could do that would be, you know, backing up, you know, Aaron or whatever. But I'm giving a whole, a whole lot of time for them on the ones. And I'm just gonna be like, yo, Aaron, you coming in? You could be game time, whatever it may be, but I don't know, that's a, that's a lot, that's a lot on the plate. But to go ahead and just say, hey, this is what we running with new coach. This is the quarterback you got from there figure out. And if it ends up getting to that one, that first, second pick, losing season and the right quarterback is there, or whatever it may be, that would be great because we definitely 100 need a franchise quarterback. Yes, we're going to move anywhere on this chart, bro, because we've been, we've been having too many just above the, you know, just above the water seasons, making the playoffs, just missing the playoffs, getting in and getting, you know, kicked out in the first round, you know, no losing seasons that make us middle of the pack. Like we'll get what we need because that's all we've been doing is spot filling with a quarterback here, picking it up with the defense there. And now we got to the point to where the defense wasn't doing what they was doing. So Aaron Rodgers made it, made it happen to where we got to where we got. So I don't. Like I said, I'm just, I'm just getting ready, man. We go, we go be. We got, we got a year or two.

[Joe Hayden]

This is what I'm saying, though. If Mike McCarthy gets hired and we keep Aaron Rodgers, how long, how long is that gonna do you think? How much longer is a rod gonna be there at the quarter?

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I don't, I don't see them hiring. I don't see them hiring McCarthy. I just don't. I don't see that happening. Because I think if they were going to do that, they would have did that already. And I think between. I think they're waiting on somebody over there in la. That's what I think. I'm thinking. I'm thinking maybe, maybe it's gonna be Shula.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's what we talking.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Or Weaver. I'm thinking them three right there and they gotta wait. They didn't. I think they didn't had a couple interviews with Flores already. They might be having the second one with Weaver and the shoot and Shula. Dang. You know, they like, all right, let's see. Like, they ain't. They. They can't talk to them until they done so.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, I like Shula.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah. I mean, I'm just. I like, just happy they not in a rush to grab something. They're really taking the time, sitting back, looking at it, monitoring and making sure like, you know, whoever we pick, we looking at this for the long term.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's why I only want to be somebody younger. Just because, like, younger and good. Like, that's it. Not knocking McCarthy. He's a good coach. He's just older. I want somebody that can be there for the next. For the Steelers, 20 years, you know what I'm saying? You want that coach to be there and be able to build and you be like, no, I'm behind this dude. Because even if they do have a down year, he's coaching them up. You just loving the way that everybody's moving, the way that things are going. Even if you lose in the games because you're like, oh, no, we don't have the roster yet. We're developing it. It's going to get there. Give him two and we'll be right where he needs to be. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's where I could rock with him. Just having a younger coach where. Yes. Just the sky's the limit.

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[Joe Hayden]

And that's why I like, they're taking their time for sure, like you said. But just get a good, get a good one because you're going to want to during the down years. It's not like. But, but just in case too, they may have to. They might got to fire him. If you don't like the way that it's going really fast. Like the way the Patriots were able to do with Mayo, like, ah. If you pick and he don't work and we getting spanked, you like, maybe it's just not the vibes. I. I don't know.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hey. Hey, Joe, I got a question for you. I got a question for you. I'm looking, I just. I look at the chat over here, man. And future quarterback Archie Manning.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, and what. What? See? See, I ain't gonna lie to you. I. He's. I gotta, I, I'm. I don't know. I gotta watch more tape because at the beginning of the year I was like, oh, my. He didn't look. He did not look that good. So he started playing a lot better. But I got.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

We gotta watch.

[Joe Hayden]

I gotta watch and see.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I just. I just can't put my. All my eggs in the bag.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

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[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Okay. I'm gonna watch more.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You go watching some of that.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna watch some. Definitely more Take. Because at the beginning he was not playing that well, and then he started playing better. So, like, I just thought, like, just off the rip coming out. I thought his freshman year he was gonna be like, oh, my goodness, he looks like the number one. But he kind of was a little normal. He showed he was a little normal. So I want to watch and see. I just can't throw out the number one overall and. I don't know.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I understand. I. I totally understand, but do you. Would that be something that. Considering his whole body work, would that be something that would. You think would be like a good move?

[Joe Hayden]

You know, I mean, if he comes out and. Yes, if. Yes, yes, yes.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I mean, you can't go wrong. Peyton in his ear now, come on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, Captain great tutelage. So I'm not going.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

No question. No question, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Apple don't fall too far from the tree.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Now, when it came, look at hell. Eli too. Look. Eli even did. He went on here and whipped on Brady twice.

[Joe Hayden]

Little brother.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Like, come on, Grandpa used to run the league.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hey, you listen. That's a bloodline, man. You can't go wrong with the bloodline.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a beautiful tree.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Can't go wrong with the bloodline, man. Playoff football, baby. Playoff football this weekend. Now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

And the Broncos. Look here. Sean Payton basically said he guaranteed they go beat the Patriots and go to super bowl this week. Listen to this. You tell me what this said to you. Well, they're gonna have plenty of rest after this one.

[Joe Hayden]

Two weeks. I can't. This is a team at the line of scrimmage that.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yo.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I think. I think he might have realized what he said and then was like, oh, I said the quiet part out loud. And then got. Got back into his train of thought. He was trying to. What you think, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I think he's. But he. That's what, like you said. He said the quiet part that was going on in his head out loud. He's like, oh, all right. Well, now it's out. So then he went back to what, the regular schedule, programming. But coach. Yeah. He feel like they're gonna win the ship. And that slipped out of his mouth.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

How'd you let that go, though?

[Joe Hayden]

How'd you, like.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

That was wild. I think he just got used to just saying stuff out loud because he'd be. He'd be on. He'd be on Russell bad. He just, he just got reckless with it, I guess. He like, you ain't even got your quarterback, dude. Like, you got. What is it, Stam?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, Stan.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

So like what?

[Joe Hayden]

But he signed him for two.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Gotta run the ball, bro. And you got to do it effectively.

[Joe Hayden]

They have.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Just so you could take pressure off of him.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, who. Who do you got?

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Who I got on this? Yeah, come on, bro. Come on, bro. I got the pass. I gotta take him.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta take the pass.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I got to.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's exactly what I'm doing too. I'm taking the Pats like I'm taking.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

The only way they can. I don't know how they're going to be able to run the ball effectively, but if they're able to, that opens up a lot. That takes a lot off the. The quarterback. The play action game comes into the effect. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Like the quarterback can do what he need to do and manage the game as long as he don't turn the ball over. That, that's it.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a thousand percent. The Broncos, the only way they can win the game, they're going to have to run the ball effectively. And that keep that quarterback only having to throw, keep them ahead of the sticks, third and shorts. Throwing them things a sudden. Nothing too crazy, keeping them head of sticks because their defense is going to have to be able to score.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Oh, he's 100% relying on his defense.

[Joe Hayden]

The defense is balling. And this is where they can get the Patriots, their linemen. Them tackles was getting whooped by my man Hunter and by Hunter and the other one from Texas last week. So now 15, the dudes from the Broncos, they gonna be able to get after him. Drake May fumbled the joint five times because their tackles are getting horsed. And The Broncos had 57 sacks this year. So scooping scores. Drake May, watch your back. You know what I'm saying? So Broncos defense, if they can create turnovers and be able to get back, be able to short fields for the quarterback. Don't make him have to do too much. And he's had a game though. Deebo. I looked on the stats, I tried to check up on him. I was like, what did he do? Before 2022, he threw for 365 yards, three touchdowns versus the San Francisco 49ers in 2022 and it was the number one ranked defense and they beat him in overtime. So he's done it before. He's done it before in a big game. That was last game of the season. So he's played NFL quarterback and this is my thing too. He don't go to go out there and go crazy. We're not asking him to reinvent the wheel. You know what I'm saying? Run. We want you to depend on your run game and your defense. Hopefully they're going to set you up and don't turn it over. Don't be throwing balls that you shouldn't be throwing. You know what I'm saying? If you're behind the sticks, it's 3rd and 13. Check down screen game. They need to help them out with the. I know this. Coach knows this too. He's not going to help him out with the screen. They're going to have good rushes. Let's give him easy stuff to kind of get him into the game. So nothing to make him lose it. Don't lose it for us. You don't got to go win it, but just don't go lose it. So there's a chance. But I like the Patriots for sure. I'm with the Patriots. Like I think Drake May and them booty going against. There's going to be one on ones, you know what I'm saying? They play a lot of man to man. There's going to be. Booty's going to have to make a play against my man Usher Tan. There's going to be one on ones that. That Are you gonna make a play or are you not? You know what I'm saying? So I'm gonna watch those.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You make like they ain't got. They ain't got my boy Diggs over there either, though.

[Joe Hayden]

They got digs too. They got things too. Like, come on, they 100.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

He is 100. Relying on the defense, bro. Like, it's no way.

[Joe Hayden]

100.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

He went through his head. He was like, yeah, they didn't turn like you said. They didn't turn the ball over. They can't hold on to the ball. They fumbling the ball and then we could stop the run. But, but, but, but, but defense did not stop. They run against Buffalo and I understand they number one. But look at, look at New England, at how they've been running that ball the last, I don't know, four, five weeks. Them boys hitting damn near 150 a game, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they told him.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

They told him they toting he counting on crowd north. Thin air, Abraham. The thin air. That's real, bro. No, there is real.

[Joe Hayden]

It is, it is.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I've played up there, I don't know, maybe four times. 50 of the time, bro. No doubt. No lie. I'm telling you, honest, God true. I come back pissing blood, bruh, bruh. Like, that air up in there, it does not agree with me. I'm talking like, dude, I'm Coca Cola. Like, I guess the, the protein breakdown. Whatever, dude. It stressed my body out so bad. Like, my son had to go up there to get, to get surgery in Vail. Like, and it's higher. It's higher than Denver. I didn't know that. I found out though. 15 times, 20 times in one night, bro. I was literally waking up, like, just trying to get a deep breath.

[Joe Hayden]

See? Okay. Brush patriots gonna be looking a little crazy out there.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Listen, bro, I, I. And when you do the oxygen, you think the oxygen help you? No, I don't do nothing but make it worse. When you put a mask off. I don't do nothing make it worse, man. Like, like, unless you sitting over there long enough to get your breath all the way back, man. Just real quick, don't even. I was, I was sitting on, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I played out there one time and it, I don't know, it didn't affect me too much.

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[Joe Hayden]

It's got good lungs, Debo.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You might not have. No, listen, I. I don't know what it was, man. I felt like I might have. Like I might. I thought I might have had sickle cell trait. Like my boy R.C. or something. Yeah, R.C.

[Joe Hayden]

Maybe he couldn't really.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I'm like, I don't know, like something they. Right. Like, he couldn't even play there, bro. Like, man almost lost his lights over there. He gave.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Pancreas over there, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Like. Nah, like he's saying this though. Like New England's defense, you know, it's just a pushover though.

[Joe Hayden]

No, they, Gonzalez and them boys be out there trapping.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Like, come on now, you. You got a backup quarterback. I don't care what he did in 22. He probably had more time playing then. He ain't seen no snaps this year.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's what he ain't played in a minute. That's why I just went to go look. I had to go see what he had. He did something. But I'm. If the, if the Patriots lose this. That's on them. That's on them.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

For sure.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Listen, I'm telling you right now, Broncos, go win it.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna be very impressed.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Listen, VRA coming out there, he is a defensive minded coach and he's going to take away the run game and he's like, you're going to have to beat me with this quarterback who has not played all year and he's going to have to make effective throws because it's not like we don't come after the quarterback because we do. Okay. And when they come down to it, special teams gonna be a huge part in this one too. Yep. Field position. And if anybody strike out on somebody else, I don't know if they'll be able to come back from that one. There is no coming back from a touchdown. I don't think.

[Joe Hayden]

I like, I like if the, if the Patriots, if the Patriots get up, it's. I don't. The Broncos, I don't think they're coming back. If the Broncos could start to get up, I'm watching the joint more tight because I think the Patriots have a better chance for Drake May to get more points. But if the Broncos, if the Patriots strike out, I think that they can get them out the way. There's no way. I don't think they're going to be able to walk. They're not no walk now.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Oh, ain't. Yeah. They gonna start running the ball like they did against Houston.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Laying that weight on them like time control. Now you can't get the rock. We're up by 14 and you can't score two touchdowns. So the game is basically over. If they get up by two scores.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Oh, all day. Two scores. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Two scores.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

14. I mean, 10 or it's free fall now. Like, they. Yeah, they going, going.

[Joe Hayden]

So what you going? We're going to put a score out there then, Deebo, what you think the game, what you predict the score is going to be? My brother, for the pictures at Broncos.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I got 23 to 10.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, okay, okay. 23 to 10. I like. I like that, actually. I'm gonna go 20.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

26.

[Joe Hayden]

26 to 13.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

2613.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. 2613.

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[Joe Hayden]

2613. Patriots. Yes.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Same thing almost down there. Let's go on over here and see what we got going on in the Seattle and the Rams. Who you got on that? What? Who? Tell me what you thinking on this.

[Joe Hayden]

In my mind and in my heart, I'm going with the Rams because I like Sam Bradford more than I like Sam Darnold.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Okay, My brother, that's just like Stafford better than Darnold.

[Joe Hayden]

I like Stafford more than Darnold. I like Matthew Stafford more than I like Darnold. So, like that. That's kind of where it comes down to. And I like the fact this I'm not. The Seahawks can win for sure. I think the Seahawks can definitely win. I'm not just being like, oh, no, I got the Rams. I'm saying it because I have to pick. I'm not going to be over here, just, oh, no, Seahawks. Oh, no, Rams. Both of them can win. Obviously, I'm going to say the Rams, but I would not be surprised at all if the Seahawks were to win the game for show because Seahawks got everything and it's really like Sam Darnold. You just don't mess it up. You know what I'm saying? Like, they have weight. Their special teams is better than the Rams special teams, their run game. I mean, I think besides that, everything else is kind of comparable. I think the Seahawks defense is better and their special teams is better. I just like the Rams because the Rams defense is good enough. And then we got Puka, we got Williams, we got. Now we got Adams. And I just like them. We got McVay. I just like the way that they call plays. I like the way they score points easily. Matthew Stafford throws the ball so well. No, look, all those dig routes versus the Seahawks. Last time he threw for 457 yards. So I'm like in a one game thing, I hear you. With Seattle, your defense is number one. But he threw for 457 on you. He's averaging 297 yards in the last two games. Y' all played in their rushing game. They averaging 130 rushing yards versus Y'.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

All.

[Joe Hayden]

So Seahawks, y' all got everything. Walker, amazing. But they're missing Charbonnet. Charbonnet's out. But Walker III is good enough to run it for both of them. They got good tight ends. They got Jackson, Smith, they got the special teams like I said. So Seattle should win if they just play the way they normally do and Darnold doesn't go out there and mess it up. The Rams got to go out there and play crazy ball. Special teams, don't be out there losing your mind. Defense, don't get ran over by Walker the whole game. And y' all can be have a chance.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, I'm. I'm gonna have to go with Seattle, dude, the Rams are going to have to actually run the ball effectively to keep Seattle's rush from doing what it is they do.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, not Bradford. Stafford.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah. I said Stafford. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

My man.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah. The Rams are like, like I said, they're gonna have to run the ball effectively and they're gonna have to keep with it. Like. And I just don't, I don't. I just don't see them keeping with it. And if they get behind and, and Seattle gets up and like you said, Charbonnet is out, but like Walker, Walker is totally.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, for sure. Walker's a starter. I'm just saying. They had the double headed monster, but it was a two headed monster. But now with just one. But he had three tutties last game.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yes, bro. Yeah, he was, bro. He was going ham.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh my gosh.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Like, and for me, I just think Seattle's defense is going to have more success against the Rams offense than the Rams are going to have against Seattle's offense. Like hell, even the last. Whatever it's been since the playoffs started, the Rams, dude, What are they, 25, 27% on third downs? They're last of everybody that's left. Like. And the Rams are down in the secondary a little bit, man. And Seattle got JSN Cooper cup did a little something last week. Along with the running back. He was catching balls out the backfield. I think he had like, like three, four out the backfield.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you have a, you have a valiant, valiant, valiant argument. Everything you say is correct. I'm like this.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

And like, go ahead. LS defense, bro. It ain't that like they middle of the pack. You talking about going into the 12th, man, with all that. I just, dude, I just see Seattle actually pulling through this one and getting the W at the crib. Even though they done Beat him. Whatever number of times it was. I just. That's what I see. Because I believe they're going to be able to run the ball effectively. Like, look at last week, bro, with Darnold only had what, 17 attempts. Look what they did to San Fran, bro, because they was able to run the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

They was applying, they was putting that. Yes, yes, yes, yes. You're right. You right, you're right.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You might want to come on over.

[Joe Hayden]

Here, Joe, brother, I'm. I'm putting my belief in Matthew Stafford, okay? And Sean McVeigh. I believe that they are going to beat him. But if Sam Darnold goes out there and does this, then Sam Darnold is writing a new book. Because I never just really, I'm not a too big of a Sam Darnold. I like him.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I'm not a big Sam Darnold fan.

[Joe Hayden]

But sometimes that's what I'm saying right now, if he does this, he's going to show me something. You know what I'm saying? Like, he can do it. He can do it. I just believe, like, I don't know he has a better team. So I'm like, he's going to. He doesn't have to go out there. I could see why I could be on your side, Debo, but I just, I gotta. I just believe that Stafford is gonna do it and show how goaty.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I ain't gonna lie a little nervous, but I just. Again, dude, defense. Defense wins championships, man. Defense win championships.

[Joe Hayden]

This is when I'm telling you this.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Is the best that's on the field. This is a reason they came off a rest and balled out.

[Joe Hayden]

This is a reason why Matthew Stafford is going to be able to be in that hall of Fame conversation. Because the game's like this when not supposed to go in and you're like this. I'm like this, brother. They had Matthew Stafford, though. You know what I'm saying? They had Sam Darnold. Better team. They had Matthew Stafford and that's why they won that. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like if he goes and do it, that's why I'm like, I think he's a Hall of Fame quarterback because when he was with the Lions, they might not have the roster, but look here, they got squad. Maybe not the best defense, but you got Puka, you got Devonta. And I'm putting my bread on Matt that over Donald.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

So I'm like, I ain't putting it on Donald, man. I'm putting it on.

[Joe Hayden]

You put on the Seahawks, I ain't.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Putting it on the defense. The only. Well, I don't dislike Donald. I just. I'm just not like, okay, he's going to be able to go out there and do the thing, and then you add on top of it, he got a bleak issue or something that he got going on right now. That's limited. So if they. But if they can't run the ball and they got to go throwing, throwing, throw, I'm. I'm a little nervous then.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you, I. I'm excited. This is. I can't wait to watch this draw the other one. I think, you know, it's gonna be a good game because my man, the backup quarterback, Seattle, go pull it off.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Seattle. 20 to 17.

[Joe Hayden]

20 to 17.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah. Defense gonna do their thing. I'm trying to tell you.

[Joe Hayden]

Let me tell you what the Rams are going to do. The Rams are going to score 33 points, and the Seahawks are going to score 24.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Oh, you bugging. You don't like their defense, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

It's. They gonna just get passed on them.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Wow.

[Joe Hayden]

They gonna get passed on. Matter of fact.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

No, no, no.

[Joe Hayden]

Let me. Let me get them some more points. Let me get them some more respect.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Why don't you just take less points off of. Off of. Cause do you really think they gonna put 33 up on these boys?

[Joe Hayden]

No. No. Okay, never mind. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Like you tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what? You know what? It's gonna be close. 27, 24. That's better. 27, 20.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Okay, I'll let you. I'll let you.

[Joe Hayden]

Let me redo.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Let me be delusional with that, but it's still.

[Joe Hayden]

Because I just was looking at the last one. It was 38. 37. It went over time, though, so that kind of threw my whole thing off or why I was going so high.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Oh, they didn't learn from that, though. They don't learn from that.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I'm trying to tell the artist I already talked to everybody.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't talk to them people.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Already talked to everybody. What up? Hey, it's time for player fade presented. All right, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You know how I go, man. Here go my picks for Sunday, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Your boy over there in Denver is not getting more than 200 yards passing, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

He.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

He is not.

[Joe Hayden]

He is not. You say.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Now, look here, I believe Williams go get more than 55. Only reason I believe he gonna get more than 55. I think they go try and hand the ball to him like 20 times, he gonna come out of there with like 60 yards. All right? But that ain't gonna do it. Ain't gonna do it. Ain't gonna do it though, because get over. Over 91.

[Joe Hayden]

You've lost your mind.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

And I know good and damn well Sam Darnold go get more than 5 yards passing.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna tell you this right now.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hey, man, who even put that on there, man? Listen, listen, whoever made this line, I appreciate you. Appreciate you, babe.

[Joe Hayden]

I am not rocking with this line.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Oh, what you doing?

[Joe Hayden]

You think Puka's not gonna have a hundred ball? Oh, you're bugging out.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

They gotta hold up to that pass rush for him to get a hundred ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Brother, brother, brother, brother. He's gonna have a hundred for sure. Hundred for sure.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

100 for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

100 for show, Debo, I'm telling you. That's why I literally. I can't even.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't do it. I can't do it, debo. I can't.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

100 for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

A hundred for show. He's about to go.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Sure.

[Joe Hayden]

100 for show. I could put on the books.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

So you go fade that.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, I'm at the fade to deeper. I'm have to fade it. Just watch what I'm telling you. Watch this one, watch this, watch this one.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna be FaceTiming you.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Listen, listen. I'm FaceTime me when all that go wrong. Remember I told you so. But this is what I need y' all to do. Download the app right now and use the code debo. Joe, get 50 in lineups. After you play your first five dollar lineup, make sure you play mine. Don't get. Don't go fading.

[Joe Hayden]

Go ahead. We gonna see play, Debos. Go ahead, man. I just don't. Oh, no, man. Poop. It's poop. And he didn't do it last week, so he got. He's. He's pissed.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hold up, man. Philip Rivers is interviewing today for the Buffalo Bills head coaching. How he go interview for the head coach job? Did he even coach anywhere else but high school? If they get him the job, we need to get the job.

[Joe Hayden]

If he gets the job, Debo, you know what? You know something. Then you. Then we. Then, then, then our hat needs to for sure be in the ballot because I thought you needed some for sure. At least coaching experience. I know how to.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I seen.

[Joe Hayden]

I've been coached before.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Bro, and they report say Josh Allen sitting in on the head coaching interviews. What? What's going on over here, man? Listen.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, look. Hey, look, man, look. Josh Allen, though, I ain't gonna lie.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You already had the owner talking about. Hey, listen, we ain't pick.

[Joe Hayden]

We ain't tied together.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

We ain't pick him. No, he said. He said the GM didn't. He wasn't for him. That was them coaches. But we like him. But.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Ah. What? So this is what I'm saying. Josh Allen is sitting in on the coaching.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Why is he even getting an interview? Bro, he got five years in high school. That's it. Coaching? That's his own whole coach of five years.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, don't be mad. Listen, be glad.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I'm calling. I'm calling Art Work. I'm calling, and I'm calling Omar. And I better get an interview if it ain't nothing else. Hold on, bro. Let me interview.

[Joe Hayden]

Call them, bro. You at least.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I'm on my way. Hey, I'm on my way for the interview y' all about to give me. They got Philip Rivers right here getting an interview. He done did five years in high school. They started. Ever since this, I've been doing 15 years.

[Joe Hayden]

Go through the interview process, Debo. They got to give you interview. So now we can know the questions and what's going on and the ins and outs. You deserve an interview. If Philip Rivers just got to interview Debo, ain't no way you can't get no interview. Call him. Call Omar, man.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Bruh, I'm. I'm driving. I'm driving down there, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm driving after the show. You got five. You got five minutes. Tell them they got five minutes, man.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Bruh, I don't even need to put no gas. I gassed up last night because it's supposed to get cold. Supposed to get locked down to negative, something, you know, had to gas up, make sure I, you know, get caught on the highway, get stopped somewhere. I gotta make sure.

[Joe Hayden]

It's about to be 21 inches out here.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Who?

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Where? Here?

[Joe Hayden]

Out in. Out of where I'm at.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Oh, I hope so. Not here.

[Joe Hayden]

We bunker down over here, Debo. We bunker down. It's supposed to get real crazy in the northern Virginia, D.C. area. We supposed to get 16 to 20.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Inches of snow, bruh, I think we got a chance, though. I got a chance of actually getting hired now, looking at it, they say.

[Joe Hayden]

You don't have a chance. You have a great chance. A great chance. A great chance.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Norm Van Brocklin. In 1961 is the last person to be hired as a full time NFL head coach without any prior college. That's go be me and Phil. 1961, me and Phil, we bout to change this. We about to change the game. He gonna be over there in Buffalo, I'm be over here in Pittsburgh. And we gonna be doing the thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, I'm telling you. And I'm gonna be the DB coach.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah, yeah. No question. I told you. Me and a half Joe. I gotta make sure you right. You feel me?

[Joe Hayden]

See you too. You're too kind.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Hey, I got two kind. I gotta make sure you right, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Thank you, my brother. Listen, I already seen what you do. I. I done heard how you do it. We just sit there, we done talk ball. We don't play ball. You know, we know. Ball. Ball recognized. Ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Ball, brother.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

You know what I'm saying? We got some super chats, man. AB2LIT 338 donated $20 and said, why do you think Ryan Clark said if Tomlin was white, then he would have been. He wouldn't have been pushed out. He was pushed out. I don't. I don't know if he said that. He wasn't pushed out. Yeah, your premises is messed up. So.

[Joe Hayden]

Only he was pushed out. He gracefully bowed out.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yeah. He made his own decision. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't. I don't.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I don't think he said he was pushed out because he. Well, everybody knows he wasn't pushed out, so. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Yep. Appreciate the money.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you, brother.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

All right. A B2 lit 388338. Appreciate you appreciation, but question messed up. Look here. So who you got in the Super Bowl?

[Joe Hayden]

I have the Patriots playing the Rams.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

I mean, you almost. That's halfway. That's halfway.

[Joe Hayden]

I got the Patriots playing around.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Patriots is right. Only part you're messing up on is the Rams.

[Joe Hayden]

And then I gotta think about it. Then I gotta think about it.

[Deebo (James Debo Harrison)]

Okay. Okay. I mean, I like, I like, I like what you're saying. You know, everything sounds good, but you like the pictures. We get to watch and see what happens on Sunday as exactly how I predicted it to happen is what's going to happen. And then anybody that ran with Joe and faded me gonna be upset about themselves. Okay? They go because they pockets ain't gonna be sitting fat and heavy like mine is. Okay? Money so tall make all you understand. Yeah, Joe. Okay. Hey, look here, man. We want to thank y' all for joining us this episode of Debo and Joe. So please make sure you like subscribe and download the show. We gonna be right back here on Monday talking about who it is that's going in the Super Bowl. Cause it's gonna be who I pick, not who. Joe said he gonna get halfway right and halfway wrong sitting there and he gonna be like, damn, I should have listened to Deebo.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, they listen to what Deebo's saying. He's wrong. I'm gonna be here telling you exactly how it went down and why. It's exactly what I thought and not what Deebo thought. So see y' all here on Monday and we out.

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