← Club Shay Shay
Club Shay Shay
Deebo & Joe - MNF REACTION: Cardinals DOMINATE Cowboys + Eagles Trade + Dan Quinn on Jayden Daniels!
00:59:28
Loading summary
Transcript290 lines
- [00:00]
A
This is an iHeart podcast.
- [00:04]
B
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this fall, take care of the little ones in the family with baby Club savings. Now through November 4, spend $25 on select Baby Club products and save $5. Shop for items like Pediasure bottles, Pedialyte powder packs, Huggies baby wipes, Huggies diapers, Gerber puffs, and Gerber pouches. And save $5 when you buy $25 or more on participating products. Offer ends November 4th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details. I'm Scott Hanson, host of NFL Red Zone. Lowe's knows Sundays hit different when you earn them. We've got you covered with outdoor power equipment from Cobalt and everything you need to weatherproof your deck with Trex decking. Plus with lawn care from Scotts and of course, pit boss grills and accessories, you can get a home field advantage all season long. So get to Lowe's. Get, get it done and earn your Sunday Lowe's official partner of the NFL.
- [01:07]
A
Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first, there, the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes. How you doing today, Joe?
- [01:43]
C
Let me tell you something, Debo Deebo is my time real quick.
- [01:52]
A
Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?
- [02:08]
C
Doing good, brother. Debo. Doing good. Caught a little game, you know, Monday Night Football. You know, it's never as good though when our Steelers are playing or my.
- [02:18]
A
Browns are playing you.
- [02:20]
C
You know what I'm saying? So it was a good game. Always good to watch football, but you know what I'm saying, It's never just that as exciting.
- [02:26]
A
No, it's not. It's a totally different feel. But I ended up going to the store, bro, like right before the game, and I had, I had to pick up something and I'm, I'm going through the aisle and I see these hats, bro. And when I see these hats, I'm like, you know what? That when you said the Browns, your Browns, it made me, it made me realize that I had this hat for you. So it's your Christmas present. Okay?
- [02:52]
C
Early Christmas present.
- [02:53]
A
Debo, when's your birthday? My birthday is April, April 14th. Okay, now look here. This is the early Christmas present. I need you to close your eyes Though. Okay. And I'm. I'm bring it out and I'm gonna show you it. Okay? You got. Okay.
- [03:07]
C
Okay.
- [03:07]
A
Hold up, hold up.
- [03:10]
C
Don't be messing.
- [03:13]
A
Open your eyes. It's the hat for you. You can wear it twice a year.
- [03:16]
C
I just hope both teams have.
- [03:18]
A
Come on. You can wear it twice a year.
- [03:21]
C
Debo, I'm not gonna lie to you, brother. That was very, very nice of you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I like that.
- [03:28]
A
Like I said, as soon as I saw it, I'm like, you know what? I know who this is. And I was thinking I was looking for, like, Joe, like, your brand on the back of it, like something like that. But it wasn't. And. But you know, Devo, it's.
- [03:40]
C
Thank you, Debo. Thank you. I. I didn't know. I honestly didn't know what to expect. I didn't know where that was gonna go.
- [03:45]
A
Hey, thank you. You are very. You're very welcome, man. We. Joe just hopes both teams, you know, and it matches what you got on, bro. Like, you gotta wear it. Yes, it was me. Okay, man. Sometimes I put things. Thank you. That was meant to be, man. That was meant to be, Debo. I.
- [04:05]
C
You know what, Debo? I appreciate you, honestly. That was very nice, brother. That was nice. Thank you. I didn't know. Know what to expect.
- [04:12]
A
Yeah, for sure. Let's get into this, man. Cardinals went on ahead and. And. And jumped on a. Jumped on the Cowboys 27 to 10, man, that first possession.
- [04:20]
C
Yes, sir.
- [04:20]
A
Dallas came out of there firing on all cylinders. They had a run and nine on the first one, and the next one was eight. Then they hit Pickens for 16, CD for 15. Williams, the running back, he went on ahead, popped 11, but Az was able to get it together. They got him to that. That fourth and fourth. They get a sack on that.
- [04:44]
C
That's no points. You drove the ball all that time, did your thing. No point. That's just.
- [04:50]
A
Yeah, you gotta get turnover on downs, man. And then they come right out there. Arizona. Jacoby Brissette. That his name? Listen.
- [05:00]
C
Yes.
- [05:01]
A
They went on three third downs, man. Third and long. Like they. They weren't making no short ones. He hit Harrison on the third down for 18. The next third down, it was third and 10. He hit Harrison again for 15. And then on the other third down, that was a longer one. They got a holding call on that that ended up giving them a first down. But they find a way to stall it out. Dallas find a way to get a little bit. Get a little bit of Stops here and there and they go for four to field goal and they scores. It's three nothing. I thought that could have went a lot worse.
- [05:40]
C
Yeah. Now they was putting them dudes in a lot of man to man and Harrison was cooking.
- [05:44]
A
So, you know, playing off so far if you. And man, like.
- [05:48]
C
Well, he was. He was scared to just get beat deep and that, that's just not a good. You gotta. You gotta be able to play a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Like, he didn't wanna get beat up top. He wasn't trying to get beat on the fade ball, so that's why he was playing so soft. But you gotta. You gotta just slow down. Read 3. Like slow bail out of there. But he was obviously scared to get beat by that fade ball 1000%. He was like, everything's going to get caught in front of me, but they going to march that. They going to keep taking that 11, that 15. Like, you got to stand up. You got at some point, like press him up, put some hands, put some.
- [06:19]
A
Pressure on him or something. Dallas come out there. They moved a little bit, but they get to that third down and he hit CD for 14. They get it, but they get a penalty that takes it away. Ends up putting them behind the chains. They. They punt the ball back to Arizona. Arizona comes out, I believe. Wasn't that when he got. He got. He got sacked on that second down? Yeah, he got sacked on the second down. They put him to like a third and 14, 15. And boy, who he hit. He hit Harrison again, you know.
- [06:54]
C
Is that Marvin Harrison Jr. He was cooking out there.
- [06:58]
A
They was getting the ball torn.
- [07:01]
C
He was throwing it on time. He was throwing the Jacoby Harris was throwing it right on time too.
- [07:05]
A
Like, right where he needed to go. Getting through it, going through his regressions. He was doing it the next nap. The running back, I think he punched him off about 15, 16. And then that was the four yard touchdown to Harrison Jr. From Brissette to go ahead and capitalize on that.
- [07:25]
C
That's. You saw that route, that walk off.
- [07:28]
A
He had even stepping in the air.
- [07:30]
C
Moonwalking, bro, his foot. Yeah, that thing got to slip out. I mean, that's a tough position to be in, but you gotta like, you gotta put some hands on him. So that was a crazy release though. He had my dude looking, looking wild.
- [07:41]
A
CD on the sideline, like.
- [07:44]
C
And you know, but. And that's. And that's a real reaction like this. God, he sat my man down. You know how that is.
- [07:51]
A
Hey, yeah, I'M telling you, I'd have been sat down plenty of times trying to jam that number two, you know what I'm saying?
- [07:57]
C
Come on, man.
- [07:59]
A
Yeah. Y' all know y' all ain't supposed to have me out here on this slide. I'm looking back. Hey, it gets tricky out there.
- [08:04]
C
It gets tricky out there.
- [08:05]
A
See me over here? You see me over here? You better lean this way, buddy.
- [08:10]
C
Yeah, for sure. For sure. I'm telling you, that DB spot, that's the one thing you want to island. Everything is maximized. They gonna see your plays. They gonna see when you get beat, like, because you out there on the aisle.
- [08:20]
A
No question, dude. Dallas go ahead and get back out there. They move the ball down. They get. I believe it was like, to the. Arizona. I think it was 42. They had a third in like, 15, 16, something like that. And that dude Wilson, man, he causes a fumble on that play. Hu. Baker recovers that thing.
- [08:42]
C
That. I mean, it was early turnovers for Dallas, too, bro. Like, you can't be. That's not. You're not going. That's not winning football, especially when your defense isn't that good.
- [08:50]
A
Yeah, trash. Let's be honest. You know what I'm saying? Arizona get the ball back, but they end up getting sacked on that second down. Put him behind the chains. They go to punt, bro.
- [09:03]
C
How slow was that punter moving?
- [09:06]
A
Dude, he was. He. He was moving at that pace all game. They need to either tell him cut down his steps or speed up his process.
- [09:13]
C
Something because he kicked the ball. His foot almost hit buddy in his face mask. He didn't even have to extend his hands. That joint almost concuss. Almost concussed my man. He kicked the ball right.
- [09:22]
A
Right into his face. They recovered the ball. Touchdown. His 7:10. But Arizona gets the rock back. And they come out there and they. They answer a little bit. They answer a little bit. You know what I'm saying? They answered a lot.
- [09:38]
C
A lot. A lot.
- [09:41]
A
Six or seven on that one. And ran it in for the touchdown at the end with the sneak. 17, 17, 7. They done. They don't scratched off that. That little touchdown they got. I mean, it's still word, of course, but when your offense can go back out there and put up an answer like that, it gives you a lot of confidence as a defense to be. Be able to come back out there, Especially when you, like, you couldn't even do nothing out there to try and stop it. You're not even on the field. Dude, those are worst touchdowns, man.
- [10:12]
C
Trust at the same time, like, Dallas didn't score any offensive touchdowns in the first half. So I know Arizona's defense feeling good. Like, they feel bad because they did. They didn't even the points that were on the board wasn't. Wasn't their fault. You know what I'm saying? Like, nothing they did about that. So in their minds, they're still. They still got a donut.
- [10:31]
A
Yeah. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Dallas, go ahead. They get down there, dude tries for a 68 yard field goal, but he misses. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I'm like, yo, he's about to make this. Like, the record. Ain't sure. He goes and he bought. He about to make this.
- [10:48]
C
Yeah, he bought the crack. That was the one dude that I thought that was talking about. We gonna see a 70 yarder. I was thinking the Dallas kicker, that was the first person where he was like, you think we're gonna see a 70? I'm like, I think the Dallas dude could do it, but he missed the 68. Hopefully he get another chance. But I thought he was gonna be able to smack.
- [11:02]
A
Smack. Yeah, he just was off. He was just off. Yeah, yeah, it looked like he had the distance. He was just off. So halftime. It's seven, 17. Arizona gets the ball in the third quarter. Dude, three plays, bro. 74 yards for a tutty. What? What?
- [11:24]
C
Defense. Defense. Dallas's defense.
- [11:27]
A
Fifth, like, and then 12 for the touchdown to McBride. That type of nice Iber.
- [11:35]
C
Yeah, bro, that excited that, man. He ran the smoothest corner route. That was just, you know, the. I could see the corner. Kind of lost the leverage a little bit. He told me he pushed off. I'm like, man, he swum you by so nice.
- [11:47]
A
Yeah.
- [11:47]
C
Like, that was not a punch off. That's a touchdown.
- [11:50]
A
Yeah, that, that. Yeah. I was. When I saw it, I'm like, maybe he did push him out because he was so open. I'm like, it ain't no way, man.
- [11:57]
C
Hell no. I looked that, man. I mean, swam you by?
- [12:00]
A
Yeah. 7 to 24 now, man. Dallas gets the ball back. They get to. I believe it was like the Arizona like 3, 4, 5, something like that, bro. They get sacked on that second down and then they end up going ahead and having to take the field. Go. It's 10. It's 10 to what? 24 by then. 10 to 24 then.
- [12:22]
C
Yep, 10, 24.
- [12:23]
A
Yeah. Arizona, they gone ahead, get it back. They put together, I think it was about a five little under or over a five minute drive, get stalled out at the Dallas 15, 16, something like that. They get a field goal. They still up by 17. It's 27 to 10. So it's. It's within. It's within touch. It's within play. And then Dallas, they get to the Arizona 20 yard line, I believe it was, and on fourth down, they going for it again, right, like, like right there. They go six points. Like it could have been at least three right here, six all together. Y' all don't make it turn over on downs. It's still 27 to 10, but holds up this time. Yeah, they go and get a three and out. And then Dallas come out there, bruh. Seven plays, 80 yards and just over, what, under or over two minutes? I can't remember.
- [13:30]
C
Yep, like, I think right about two.
- [13:33]
A
Touchdown hours, you know, it's 27, 17. It's a game. And dude, when you start playing that, that, that soft type of like prevent type defense, dude, I don't. I don't like that, like, keep everything in front of you, and I hate that, man. That'd be killing people with like, that. Get a whole bunch of yards from that dude.
- [13:52]
C
Oh, no, for sure, for sure. That's. Those. Are those. Are those trash yards at the end of the game that don't matter. They're still patting the stats.
- [13:57]
A
Well, he ain't patting here, but he was still trying to win it because they still had an opportunity. But I'm saying, like, as a defense, I'm like, yo, man, I'm gonna keep doing what I was doing. That got me where we're at a thousand percent.
- [14:07]
C
When I'm saying patent. When I'm saying patent stats, I'm saying this is when they're able to get yards.
- [14:12]
A
You're not getting that real. That real.
- [14:14]
C
But they're not really getting that against you. You know what I'm saying?
- [14:17]
A
Yep. And then, you know, Arizona go out there, they get sacked on a second down after they scored. So it's 27:17. They get sacked on second down, get a false start on third down, they end up having to punt the ball, dude. Dallas gets the rock. And Pete Gang Pickens, he goes with just seven minutes left. He gets the first down on that second fight. He gets. Yeah. And this is one of the reasons why the Steelers.
- [14:47]
C
This is what you talking about, the maturity.
- [14:49]
A
Yo, we. We go. Go ahead and see what we can do, what we can get, because we're worried about the maturity and this situation where he goes, he taunts the db, pointing the ball, handing the ball, whatever he doing, he get a 15 yard on sportsman like later on that ends up getting sacked back end up.
- [15:09]
C
Yeah, that game. But I know what you say.
- [15:11]
A
Arizona forces a fumble and recovers it. Like I just, I don't, I don't understand what, you know what he's thinking there. Like they, especially with you, they looking for it, bro.
- [15:23]
C
No, for sure. And they made, they emphasized that. They emphasized that you're not going to be standing over people, you're not going to be looking at people pointing the ball at people. You going to get a 15 yard penalty for that. Like that's, that's unsportsmanlike conduct. That's the emphasis. You know they overemphasizing that. And then you pickings, you know they looking at you cuz you, you, you, you the yb, you're the youngest. You the young boy. So they expecting you to do some wild stuff. So I'm glad that got the first down. She gotta grow up with that.
- [15:50]
D
Just.
- [15:50]
C
You know what I'm saying? Don't, don't, don't do that Jord. Don't do that.
- [15:53]
A
Don't. Yeah, don't. Don't put yourself in positions to, to deal with, deal with things like that. You know what I'm saying?
- [15:59]
C
Trying to come back.
- [16:00]
A
Was that Williams that fumbled again or was that somebody else or was that the type? Who was that?
- [16:04]
C
I think that was. Was either Ferguson or was it. Ferguson did the first one. So I think this was M. Williams.
- [16:11]
A
Okay, so they fumbled. The rock. Whoever was, he fumbled a rock. Arizona recovers all. So Arizona got the ball back with I think just what over under four minutes left and they go for it on fourth and eight. Like I understand you going for it. And Marvin Harrison was wide open like he, if he could have got it to him, that have been great. But for me I'd have been like, yo, let me go ahead and try and pin this thing and you know, give my defense a long field. So they got, they got a long, you know, they got a long way to go.
- [16:44]
C
No, I feel you playing the field position game because your defense, they have been playing well this whole game creating turnovers. They haven't been able to show them that they could drive it, but they gonna be able to get, make something happen. So I'm with you on that.
- [16:54]
A
Yeah, so they, they end up turning the ball over on downs and Dallas gets the ball back. It really ain't that much time left. It's kind of over with you two scores down. But he ended up getting sacked on that third down and then on the fourth and 30, whatever it was, you know, he's just throwing it up to try and get it out there, because if you get sacked, that's it. And he gets the interception. Game over with. They go kneel on it at the end, and that's it. Dude, Dallas. Dallas got some issues, man. Dallas defense is just. Just bad, man. It's. It's trash, bro. Like, the first, like, you just totally lost, like, the first half, like, on them third downs. First half, they was connecting on them boys, what was it, seven and nine on third down. And you're not talking about, like, short third downs. Dude, you talking about the third and 10, third and 14, you know, and set went out there and he did his thing. He been doing his thing, to be be honest with you, the last few weeks he'd been in there, you know, he. He 21 to 31. He got one with 261, two tugs and ran one in, too. And Marvin Harrison, they finally got this man, the ball. Marvin Harrison Jr. They finally got this, man, the ball. He almost got a hunted. He should have got a hundred. If they got that ball to him, he was 7 for 96. It could have been more than that. Like, this is, you know, this is his biggest performance so far of his professional career. He looking more like, you know, the guy that we saw at O State, you know, And Arizona's defense, they was just out there forcing fumbles everywhere. Yeah, I think they forced four. They only recovered two of them. Yep.
- [18:36]
C
Because the one they. They strip. They rough pickings too, but the running back was running down there, was able to jump on it and recover, but he definitely. They forced a lot of fumbles. Yeah.
- [18:46]
A
And, you know, they. They getting those fumbles at points where, you know, it's swinging the game, it's changing momentum, you know, And Dallas, hell, you add that to the fact that they. They was. They was bad in the red zone. Well, in part because Arizona was. Was doing so well. Yeah, I see, you know, I see why. I see why Jerry was like, you know, before the game, he's talking about, yeah, we got, you know, we got some trades going, you know, and blah, blah, blah. After that game, you know what Jerry said? Jerry said, hey, hey, before the game, we thought we was gonna win. Now after the game and they lost, he said, hey, I ain't about to waste no more money. I ain't about to waste no more money. And we ain't got no chance of making no more money. I ain't gonna waste no more money. Hey, I'm a business man, okay? I'm Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones don't care about winning no Super Bowl. Jerry Jones care about getting that money, okay? Making that money. And like he said himself, staying relevant. If he stay relevant, stay in the news, whether it's good news or bad news, Any news is good news to him. And he's feel like, hey, he making it out that keep the fans, like, yeah, you know, hey, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Keep y' all spending that money. J. A businessman first and foremost. That's it.
- [20:07]
C
So. And this is what I'm saying, Debo. I'm with you a thousand percent. The first things first. And it's the money. I don't think that he doesn't care if the Dallas Cowboys don't win, but that's not the priority. You know what I'm saying? It's not like he's like, I don't give a damn about what the Cowboys doing. He wants them to win. He wants them to be relevant. He wants them to continue to make money, and if they can win in the process, he's definitely down for it. He doesn't want them to lose, I don't think. But he wants them to make money. He wants them to be relevant, and he wants.
- [20:33]
A
What do you think?
- [20:34]
C
To.
- [20:34]
A
What if they started winning? Win the Super Bowls. But yes, it did the opposite to his money. It actually declined it. That.
- [20:43]
C
But that makes.
- [20:45]
A
But I'm saying I don't think it's. Would you think he would take the money over the success?
- [20:52]
C
That's a test. That's. That's a crazy question. What do you think you would take the money over to success?
- [20:57]
A
Joe, Joe, Joe.
- [20:59]
B
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this fall. Take care of the little ones in the family. With Baby Club Savings now through November 4, spend $25 on select Baby Club products and save $5. Shop for items like Pedias. Sure. Bottles, Pedialyte powder packs, Huggies baby wipes, Huggies diapers, Gerber puffs and Gerber pouches. And save $5 when you buy. $25 or more on participating products. Offer ends November 4th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details. And, Doug, here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual.
- [21:43]
A
Fascinating.
- [21:44]
B
It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.
- [21:47]
A
Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.
- [21:50]
B
Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty Savings Very underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts.
- [21:59]
D
Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder? With a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other. One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you are drowning in software. Instead of growing your business, this is where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that handles everything. CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, HR and more. No more app overload, no more juggling logins. Just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part, Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business whether you are just starting out or already scaling up. Plus it's easy to use, customizable and designed to streamline every process so you can focus on what really matters running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for free@odoo.com that's o d o o dot com.
- [23:00]
A
I asked you what you think.
- [23:02]
C
I think you might take the money over the.
- [23:04]
A
I'm just checking.
- [23:06]
C
Yeah, I'm with you. We're on the same. We're on the same page with that Debo. I think the money over the success. Money is the main priority. Money's number one.
- [23:13]
A
Yes.
- [23:14]
C
Money over everything.
- [23:15]
A
Dude, he said that. He said that already. He's been saying it for the last.
- [23:18]
C
But the thing that I like. But, but, but, but I don't like to. But I won't knock him all the way because he doesn't not give. He does have a quarterback, a franchise quarterback. I don't think that's the reason they're averaging 29 points a game. You know what I'm saying?
- [23:30]
A
They're off.
- [23:30]
C
Their offense is the fourth. Fourth in points, first in passing, second in total offense, and even his 13th in Russia. So it's not like they're terrible.
- [23:38]
A
The defense is terrible.
- [23:41]
C
The defense is terrible.
- [23:42]
A
Halfway terrible team.
- [23:45]
C
Yes, yes, yes. Because when they score under 34. Yes, yes, yes. But at the same time, he did go get. He did go get George Pickens. They do have CD Lamb. They do have Dak Prescott. He's giving them something to watch. They're averaging 29 points.
- [24:02]
A
He had before the game started and now after they go ahead and take that. L. He talking about nine, by the way. Waste that money. Two people Ain't gonna help us.
- [24:08]
C
That's. That's.
- [24:10]
A
That's.
- [24:10]
C
That's the finaggery. That's the. That's the. That's the money part is more important. So I'm with you on that, But I. Yeah, he. That's the headlines. He's gonna stay in the headlines. They lost. He like, all right. Bet I still got these dudes defense playing terrible, so I'm gonna give y' all some headlines. I thought we had somebody. Now we don't. Now y' all gonna talk about it now me and you, we talking about it.
- [24:28]
A
Okay. Okay. You think that's what it is?
- [24:30]
C
He's think.
- [24:31]
A
Yeah, Arizona got Arizona issue over there, but it's a good issue. It's a quarterback issue. Okay. Yeah. Hey, even doing his thing, man. Offense looking better. They playing better. Harrison just had the best game of his NFL career. He found. He found him. He got it to him. You know, I don't know if Tyler. I don't know if Kyler got any more guaranteed money left on that contract or not. I don't. I don't know. But, you know, it's looking like he might get Wally Pipp. You know Wally Pipp, right?
- [25:06]
C
Yeah.
- [25:07]
A
Bus always say, don't get Wally Pitt. You know what I'm saying? I'm just. Hey, I'm just saying, you know, Brissette, he's standing in that pocket. When that pocket's closing on him, he's standing there and he's delivering. KYLER'S Only, what, 5, 10, 5, 5, 11 at best. When that pocket starts to close, he can't just stand in there. That's why they got to move him around, do all that. He can't see over them dudes, man. And now with him being so injury prone, if ain't no guaranteed money left, man, I don't.
- [25:40]
C
You think I should move on?
- [25:42]
A
Why would you give him another. What are you getting, like, almost 45, 46 million? He probably makes about 50 million numbers for every game he's played has been better than all of his numbers for the games he's played this year. Like, it's not one game where he passed more had whatever it was than what percent did over the last, what, three, four games? Whatever it is, they had opportunity. I think Green Bay.
- [26:11]
C
Brissette's definitely throwing the ball on time. He's looking efficient, you know what I'm saying? I'm with you 100%. I think maybe with Kyler, Murray, too. He's been him. His time. I think Kyler Murray could be a good quarterback for sure. I mean, it made his, his time maybe not done in Arizona, you know what I'm saying? Like just being a different, a different atmosphere, a different spot. I just like the way, just being able to, the way that their offense is flowing. Him not being able to see over the top of the line. Jacobe, he's just throwing the ball on time. When you see one on ones sometimes it's not that hard. I think Jacobe's doing the simple thing you're seeing. They playing Manto, man on your best.
- [26:48]
A
When you got the simple thing, you know, and you're doing it, but you don't have the height to see over it. You can't get to it. So all the times where you know a receiver is open, he don't get it to him. He may not be able to see him. I mean, you heard Tua say something about he couldn't see him. How tall is Tua? You know? Yeah, you know, to, to Marvin this time, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it could have something to do with Marvin Harrison senior stating something like, you know, if he was in that offense, you know, in his prime, that they basically sent him a prepaid, a prepaid envelope to send his gold jacket back to the hall of Fame from Cannes.
- [27:31]
C
Oh, man.
- [27:31]
A
Basically, they ain't doing what's necessary to get the man to ball. He got what, nine targets most that he's had all, all his, you know, since he came out. I mean, I don't know. I mean, you don't do that. I mean, day one, that's what I'm supposed to.
- [27:50]
C
No, I mean, and I think some of the stuff too is it could at the end of the day, like Kyler Murray not, not forcing him to ball, not, not force feeding him. But Jacoby, at the same time, knowing I'm in here, I have this baller. I'm going to make sure if he's better than the dude covering him, why wouldn't I not target him? More than not, you know, why did.
- [28:09]
A
They do that before though?
- [28:12]
C
That's the quarterback's decision. Maybe like he dropping back and everybody's running their pass routes. Maybe you got a primary. But if it's man to man, I'm going to throw it to who I want to throw it to. I'm going to throw it to Marvin Harrison Jr. That's running this dig route on this. I think he's going to beat you know what I'm saying? Like I, I, I, I could think it like that. So I think Jacobe just taking the easy money, like maybe don't overthink it. Kyler Murray may be just like, all right, bet I'm going to drop back in wherever it is on this man. I'm going to, I'm going to have a. He has a different thought process going. Jacobe or like, like Flacco when you back there, sometimes it's not that hard. If they're in man on your better players, I'm going to throw it to them, you know what I'm saying? Instead of like him only having his highest of nine targets, Kyler Murray has been a quarterback with Marvin Harrison Jr. There's no reason why he shouldn't have 13 targets.
- [28:55]
A
So you're saying that, you know what, it's either the quarterback or the O.C.
- [29:02]
C
Yes. Because if this, if this, if you have, if you have the option when you're the quarterback and it's a man to man call and you, I mean it's called. And you see the defenses in man to man single high right now. You go to your matchups, you go to what you like. It's not like it's not going to be, oh no, he going to be open. I like him. We know he's running a dig and they're man to man. It's going to be him versus him. If he beats them on this route, if I'm looking off, by the time I look back and throw it on time, he's going to be there and beating that dude on the dig route and he could just take this to the house. So for me it's more like be simple, don't make it as hard for yourself. And I think that's what Jacoby's doing and being able to be successful throwing it to him. When he sees man to man coverage with Marvis Harrison Jr. That's where I'm going to go with the ball, you know what I'm saying? I look off, whatever and then I know when on my last step, when I drop, he's over there coming off the curl and I think he won that round.
- [29:52]
A
It's more of the quarterback being able to see what's there and getting it to him than it is the OC making the call.
- [29:59]
C
I think so.
- [29:59]
A
I mean, okay, I can understand that. I can understand that. Speaking of OC your boy Kevin Stefanski, he said, you know, he's he gonna give up the play calling for the office. He said he go, he go, he go. Let the OC do it. You know, he Said, quote, I just feel like it was the right time for this. He might feel like that because somebody might have to go after this. I don't know who the OC is, but somebody might have to go after this. And with that being the case, I'm a hand these duties over that I've been doing to the OC because the offense been playing terrible. And I know I can't find nobody on that defensive side of the ball and use them as the scapegoat to how I'm going to keep my job as the head coach and stay here. So I understand what he's saying, but I feel like this might be a cop out for the sellout. What you think, Jon?
- [31:06]
C
He did the same thing last year when he gave up the play calling. I'm just trying to figure out why would you go back to the play calling if we knew that there was an option to give it back up?
- [31:17]
A
Or.
- [31:17]
C
Or I'm thinking maybe since it's going into the.
- [31:20]
A
Do they have the same coordinator as last year? That's this year?
- [31:24]
C
I don't know. That's a good question. But so long story short, I mean, this is the thing. Dylan Gabriel is his guy. Kevin Stefanski, you're the offensive coordinator. You were calling the plays. I think now since it's going to be the bye week, giving him a little more time, understanding that. I think it's going to be. My whole thing is it should. Who's going to be the offensive coordinator for Shador? Because, I mean, if Dylan Gabriel. I think it's kind of a scapegoat move because Kevin Stefanski doesn't want to be the offensive coordinator when Shador is probably the quarterback? Because I think that's probably going to be coming soon.
- [31:59]
A
Are you thinking. Trying to step out the way so they don't say he's. He's sabotaging the man's efforts when he get in there. That's what you think, man.
- [32:08]
C
Maybe, maybe. But, I mean, the office just hasn't been doing well. I think he's just trying to do something, trying to switch it up. He has to do something because, I mean, I know he knows his. He's in the hot seat. And I don't know if he's going to be there much longer, bro.
- [32:23]
A
Like I said, I think this is. This is an attempt to be like, all right, yeah, I gave it up at this point and, you know, it still did nothing. And I don't know. I think, hey, I'm getting ready to go ahead, have me have me a scapegoat. I would love to know if the OC was the same OC last year as it is this year. That's that, that's. That's. That's what I would like to know. Like head coach just giving it up.
- [32:51]
C
I want to see. Yeah, yes, yes, he is. But we're gonna see what. We're gonna see what I. We're gonna see what kind of place he's calling if Dylan. Because now we can see too if the same things. Dylan just dump offs, dump balls, not throwing it down the field, not even giving our receivers type of downfield routes. Let's see if he changes it up a little bit. Because I know when Shador gets in there, I want to see him. Like, I think hopefully he does the smart thing, trying to throw some balls downfield, just getting the ball out of his hand on time. You know, just things that he was doing in college.
- [33:22]
A
How long till you see them having to put Shador in once they.
- [33:29]
C
I see if we lose, I mean, if we come out of the bye, we can lose to the Jets. I mean, why not? Where else we gonna go from there? You know what I'm saying? It's like there's no. And the defense plays. Defense plays well and he just looks normal, you know what I'm saying? Like, he doesn't do anything to.
- [33:47]
A
He don't do no help. But he also don't do no help.
- [33:50]
C
You're not doing no help. So we lost to the Jets. We come off the bye off two weeks, you knowing you're going to be. It is what it is. It's tight competition. You haven't really done too much to impress, too much to, you know what I'm saying? Show that you can be that guy. If you don't come off the bye week and ball out versus the jets and go out there and make something happen, then your time is up. Then it's time for us to at least go see what Shador can do. You know what I'm saying? But if he goes out there, wins, I think he got another two weeks. But if you come out and lose after the buy, like, what are we. What are we waiting for?
- [34:18]
A
Hey, word is your new OR coordinator was the tight ends coach last year. He the OC now, so the OC from last year. Okay. They got him out of there. Hey, be careful. He might be setting you up. Get you up out of there now. Hey, hey, hey. We go, we go sit down. Wait and see. Kevin Stefanski. Let's go on over here. We're going over here to another head coach. Zach Taylor said he was not good with the, the criticism that I think it was. Was it Brown? Brown gave too. Yeah, to the defense. Like I, I understand like what he's saying, you know, you can't do that. I agree with him. Like, like he know they trash, you know. You know, when you look at it, they super trash, they own pace to give up the most points dude in NFL history, you know. And the record is 5:34 by the Panthers last year. Like they done already gave up 309 games. They got eight games left, you know, you got New England, they got Baltimore twice, Buffalo. And now the way the Cardinals look, that's gonna be a problem too. They keep, you know, Brissette in there. So how do you feel about it? Will you. You agree? I don't see you disagreeing, to be honest with you, Joe.
- [35:57]
C
No, man, I don't disagree with it at all. The thing is, bro, it's the NFL. It's a job, it's a professional business. As much as everybody wants to talk about, you gotta do your job on offense and your job is to score every single time you go out there. Our job was a defense is to stop them. Every time we go out there, these dudes feel like crap, you know what I'm saying? So being another professional dude as a teammate, we're already getting beat up, you know what I'm saying? Getting talked down too crazily and we already feel down. Them dudes being professionals are going to go to that film and watch that tape and take that in and know they're not going to be able to feed their families much longer, you know what I'm saying? Playing like this, you're going to be cut, you're not going to be in the league much longer like this. So they know this while they're out there playing, while they're missing these tackles and coming in and then looking in the media and hearing your own brothers that you trying to go to war with, knowing you're trying, knowing, you know what I'm saying, you might be ass and you played terrible, you know that yourself. You're a professional, you didn't make it this far, you know what I'm saying? Just going out playing shitty and not knowing you played bad, you know what I'm saying? Like you are very self aware of when you do good and when you do bad.
- [37:05]
A
Well, most people are very self aware. A lot of people are delusional, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, they. They think they might have did better than what they did. Or your person that, you know, looks at the tape and was like, oh, it wasn't that bad. No, it was.
- [37:20]
C
Ah, no, no. Yeah. You know, for sure, you got. You can't be like that. I'm saying within close quarters, when you're in the team meetings and we're looking at the tape, that's the time to tell them, damn, bruh.
- [37:30]
A
Yes.
- [37:30]
C
Like, this is not okay. This is not winning football. You can get all that off your chest in the meeting rooms, in the team meeting rooms. But when you're in there, that's media. Those are feds. That's you trying to get outside stuff out there to everybody else. So now they clowning on me and making us tell me that right in the locker. You gonna see me on Monday meetings, you gonna see me Tuesday, you gonna see me Wednesday. But to do that and try to oust us and, like, make us feel even more shitty and have the team not coming to me like this, man, media Brown telling me he hot. Y' all are terrible. You know what I'm saying right now?
- [38:04]
A
Now you trying to not act, you know, answer the question back emotionally, but you're in your emotions anyway.
- [38:10]
C
But now you feeling emotional because you.
- [38:13]
A
You know, you're trash, you know, And I don't. I don't feel like anybody that don't play that side of the ball should have really. Any comment on the other side. Like, if you don't play that side, don't have no comment on my side. If you're on the other side of the ball, talk about what y' all could have did. That's the same thing when, like, we were playing, you know, great defense and the offense didn't get points or they didn't score or whatever that. What. You know, whatever that case may be, you know, it was never a da, da, da. No. Our job as a defense is to stop them from scoring. If we stop them from scoring, we don't lose. And on top of it, we can score points. So that was how we dealt with. With, you know, with that especially, you know, with the media. It's like, yo, no, did we. Did we just a shutout? No, we ain't put the. Shut up.
- [39:05]
C
Well, then we ain't got no place.
- [39:08]
A
To be talking about the other side of the ball, no matter how bad they are. Yes.
- [39:13]
C
And the realization is, we know it as a defense, you know, you could be like this, man. They gotta get a. Hopefully, like, they didn't Get a touchdown for us. But you're not. You know, your job is, at the end of the day, to make sure you never. You can't go home talking to somebody else's kitchen when you gave up plays and, like, things are, you know, that's what he said.
- [39:32]
A
You know, it was. It was. Taylor was like, yo, it was points where we could have. We could have made plays and scored more points and, you know, kept the ball and all that. That was something, you know, that he. He had responded in when he gave his comments. So I don't have a problem with it. I think it's, you know, I. I thought that it was just common sense to, you know, respond that way. You know what I'm saying? I guess, you know, Dan Quinn admitted what everybody had already knew. Like, he was wrong. He admitted that. You know what he said? He missed it. He missed it. What you miss? You miss. You missed the fact that y' all was down by 31 and you still had your quarterback sitting up in there who had just got back from being hurt. Yeah. Especially now, looking back, that man that dislocated everything in that arm and all that. They don't even know if he. How long he gonna be out, when he. When he coming back, all that good stuff. Nah.
- [40:30]
C
You know, he was out there.
- [40:31]
A
You was out there coaching blind. The blind and deaf. You couldn't even hear. You couldn't hear or see, man, somebody would have told you. Touchdown. Touchdown. Who know?
- [40:44]
C
It was bad. It was bad. A good thing. He took. He took accountability.
- [40:49]
A
If he didn't take accountability, he would have. They, they, they. They might have had to fire him. Talking about, you know, what? My fault, you know, for sure. For sure, for sure, dude. And they. The NFL also suspended the commander's linebacker, Frankie. What is it, Louvie? The hip drop tackles. They got him. They got him. They got him up out of this spending. They suspended him a game. Dude, I don't know.
- [41:16]
C
They said it was a repeat.
- [41:17]
A
They think.
- [41:17]
C
They said it was a repeater fender. This was the third.
- [41:20]
A
Third hip drop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't.
- [41:22]
C
So he said.
- [41:23]
A
He's this dude. You know how hard it is to purposely get somebody in that position? Like, you gotta literally run up on them, be beside them now grab their hip and drop down and make sure you got the tackle. It's so hard to get in that position. Most people are diving, and as you dive and grab, you get swung as you swing, you trying to stick your feet in the ground when it stops to try and stop him. From gaining more yards. Like, I understand what they saying, and I know, like I said, I understand both sides, but I don't think anybody is out there purposely trying to hip drop somebody. Dude, what do you think?
- [42:08]
C
I. I know what you're saying, Debo, but you know how, you know when you're trying to stop somebody from going forward, you drop and they, they're saying that that's the type of tackle. So we kind of know like when we. When you're pulling from the dude trying to go, you just try to drop.
- [42:22]
A
Your weight, you gonna fall to get.
- [42:24]
C
Them to get him down. That's. That's how elsa we supposed to be. It's very, very, very hard. These dudes are running full speed. And I don't think that it's defenders are we. They're putting us to a position where it's super hard to tackle these dudes.
- [42:37]
A
You know what I'm saying?
- [42:37]
C
They gotta understand when we get them like that, they keep on trying to drive your legs fall, you know what I'm saying? You could. You need to just let it go. Like, like that's how you.
- [42:45]
A
You want me to let it go and let him take you still trying to drive me on, lose my whole career job? No, listen, I. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It. It. I ain't never trying to make it. I ain't never letting me go down over anybody else. I just can't. I can't do that. That's like when they started.
- [43:05]
B
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Now through November 4, shop the annual beauty event and save $5 when you spend 25 on select beauty products. Shop in store or online for items like Dove Body Wash, Native Body Wash, Cetaphil gentle skin cleanser, Dr. Squatch body wash, Neutrogena Hydro Boost Water Gel, Dial Liquid Hand Soap, and Olay Body wash. And save $5 when you spend $25 or more. Offer ends November 4th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details. Here we have the Limu emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual.
- [43:49]
A
Fascinating.
- [43:49]
B
It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug Limu.
- [43:54]
A
Is that guy with the binoculars watching us?
- [43:56]
D
Cut the camera.
- [43:56]
B
They see us. Only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty Savings vary underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance company Affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts.
- [44:05]
D
Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder? With a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other. One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you are drowning in software. Instead of growing your business, this is where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that handles everything. CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, HR and more. No more app overload, no more juggling logins. Just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part, Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business whether you are just starting out or already scaling up. Plus, it's easy to use, customizable and designed to streamline every process so you can focus on what really matters running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for free@odoo.com that's o d o o.com finding.
- [45:07]
A
Me, I just started aiming low. I think it was. I think we was in Denver. Almost tore Lee Decker's knee. Dude, I'm like, dude, I'm not. I'm not about to hit this dude.
- [45:20]
C
The same Debo you speaking facts? Because I played with TJ Ward and he blew out Gronk's knee. And they were looking at him like he was a dirty player.
- [45:28]
A
To me, that's a dirty player. He put us in position to do nothing else so that we could save ourselves.
- [45:34]
C
TJ wanted to hit him up top. Like when we played against Cincinnati Bengals, he hit, it was a young like slot receiver Shipley or Jordan Shipley, something like that. Fumbed on him up top, hit him like he wanted to. And they find TJ crazy. So TJ was like, oh, no, from now on, I gotta go low. I gotta take out the legs. He wanted to hit Gronk up top and just because that's the type of hitter he was. But he's like, no, they're gonna take all my money. So he went low and he knew like, not, not new but like, I gotta go low or I'm gonna get fine. And it took and ended up hurting Gronk's knee. But I'm like, what are you. And they calling my man TJ dirty play. I'm like, TJ is not a dirty player at all. You don't understand. He wanted to just bell him up top. Like that would have been his pleasure. You know what I'm saying? The ball was set up. He Brady threw like a blue tent ball and he was ready to smack him, and he had to go low and take his legs out, and that ended up messing up his knee.
- [46:24]
A
Yeah, dude, it's a bunch of situations where you get that. And, you know, like you said, even if. Especially when you're talking about a bigger guy like Gronk, he's already coming that way. You can't hit him up high because you go take a chance of getting fined. And even if you do and say, you know what, I'm gonna hit him in his waist, you're out of your mind. To hit somebody that heavy and you're that light in their waist, you go put yourself in jeopardy. You have no place to go.
- [46:52]
C
And that's when he gets. That's when he starts bouncing off.
- [46:54]
A
You have no place to go but the top of the knee down. Dude, that's the. That's the easiest part to get down, to kick out, like, because when you.
- [47:01]
C
Go up top, they're. They're going to swing their legs down, and when you go low, their top's going to swing down. If you hit them in the middle, you're gonna fold yourself, like, crumple. So you gotta either go a little bit high or a little bit low. So something sweeping down. Well, something's sweeping up.
- [47:18]
A
Yeah, dude. I was like, yo, when they were finding me, I'm like, yo, I'm just gonna start hitting people low. I said, I'm hitting receivers low. I said, if we playing you, man, and y' all playing against me, if you don't tell me, you go pay my fine, I'm hitting you low. If I have a blindside shot on.
- [47:33]
C
You, like, that's just what it is.
- [47:37]
A
I got to keep my money in my pocket and make sure that I'm good.
- [47:42]
B
Did you.
- [47:43]
C
Did they put you in any. Did you ever. Any of appeal, Any of yours?
- [47:47]
A
Dude, I appealed. I peeled almost all of them. I only got a little money back. And that was on the first one. When they find me 75, 000. And it was only supposed to be first. Fine was supposed to be like 15. They went 75 because that was. That was a year. It was like. It was like bam, bam, bam, back to back. And you watching like, like on NFL or whatever, somebody sleep. Somebody go to sleep. Somebody go to sleep. You know what I'm saying? And they was just trying to make an example, dude. I'm like, yo, nah. So, all right. I said, I got something for you, though. The crazy thing is the hit that they had find me for on Massaquad, they were selling that thing for the game was over with. And then you find me 75, 000. They ain't take it down until I said something.
- [48:36]
C
That's crazy.
- [48:37]
A
You gonna find me 75, 000. But you sold. You started selling the picture immediately. That's out of control.
- [48:46]
C
No, for sure. Well, bro, we used to have the NFL jacked up. Yes, bro, that was real. Live segment that I look forward to watching. And that was sad when you were seeing people crawling out of that drum like, dang, we was really acting like that was. But that was the way. Yes, it was.
- [49:03]
A
Listen, I don't want to injure you, but I don't want you to finish this game. You can play next week. But I want you to know you was in the game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, okay? Even if we don't get you out of there, I want you so sore the next day. You just sitting in a bucket of ice. You just going hot, cold. Trying to. Just try to. Just trying to make your body feel better.
- [49:25]
C
There's consequences for your actions.
- [49:28]
A
Consequences and repercussions, man, for stepping on this field. You came out here and disrespected us by showing up. You should have just forfeit the game. So now I gotta show you why you should have.
- [49:44]
C
You knew you was playing against me.
- [49:45]
A
You knew you was playing against these Steelers. Now, what you talking about? They called. They called. They called U.S. defense Nyquil.
- [49:54]
C
Yes. That's all.
- [49:57]
A
You know, man, the head coach for Atlanta, Raheem Morris, he said he didn't intend to, you know, make like, you know, the Patriots did something wrong. He said, you know, he was just saying what his guys had told him, that, you know, they thought they heard clapping, that they were mimicking, you know, the snap count. Oh, you know, I understand. You know where he's coming from. He may not admit it, but, you know, when you. You're playing the Patriots, you know, they gotta. Got a little. They got a little history.
- [50:38]
C
Yeah, a little familiar.
- [50:40]
A
I ain't.
- [50:40]
C
You know.
- [50:41]
A
You know what? Matter of fact, let me go back. 2004, bro. It was. It was Halloween, 2004. We played the Patriots that week, and then the next week, we ended up playing Philly. Both of them was undefeated. We beat them, okay? We played the Patriots on Halloween, bruh. Bop them, boy. 34. 34 to 20, bro. Like, okay, they couldn't see where nothing was coming from, bro. This is when the Spygate was going on, okay? Played them in the playoffs, bro. They hit us on every single blitz but one. That's when they was doing that muddle huddle at the line.
- [51:24]
C
Yes.
- [51:24]
A
And not, you know, really hurry, hurry, huddle. Yeah, they got our signals that first game, bro. They came back that playoff game and that championship game, bruh. Did that muddle at the line. We go to doing our calls, bruh. And they catch all that, bruh. And here's the crazy thing. Everybody's like, oh, James, you just saying that. You just saying that. Nah, I'm not just saying. I know this for a fact because I'm just saying because people on their staff, like, made like, oh, that's just a normal occurrence, dude. Everybody does it. I'm like, no, everybody don't do it. I've never done that or had that done a day in my life. Like, never. And then even recently, I had somebody say, well, well, everybody did it. You just didn't know about it, man. How would I not know about it if I don't know about it? How is it going to help me as a defense? And they couldn't help us back then because the only people that had the headphone in was the quarterback. And he had that live all the way up until, what, 12, 15 seconds.
- [52:33]
C
Was like 15 seconds.
- [52:34]
A
I do hard, hard here. Oh, no, I didn't come in there. Boom, they going here. We showing. Hard, hard. Where it's coming? Oh, yeah, it's coming there. Like, boom. Only miss. They. They only missed one blitz, dude. Like, oh, like, if you ain't cheating, they meant that, dude, you ain't trying.
- [52:54]
C
You ain't trying.
- [52:56]
A
So I know that they do.
- [52:58]
C
They know for a fact, Debo, that they was on. They was on to y'.
- [53:01]
A
All.
- [53:02]
C
They was on to the signatures.
- [53:04]
A
Dude, when I said something like, I said, it was like, oh, come on, man. Everybody. I'm like, no, they don't. Maybe the way y' all was taught and whatever goes through there. But I never had that a day in my life. Like, if I know it's like playing Tech Mobile, if I'm looking at your. Your controller and I know which play you pick, and I pick the same play, it's over with, right?
- [53:26]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [53:28]
A
What we talking about had no hand, had no speaker in this thing. So everything was hand signals. All you doing is sitting there. They got video of them on the cameras, watching the signal callers, man. They got. They got all that, man. They came out there.
- [53:48]
C
Come on, Debo. They talking. You was talking about this. They put that.
- [53:52]
A
Oh, we. I'm just saying, though, that is facts right there for show, okay? Now, if they was Doing it this time. I don't, I don't, I don't know. He said, you know, he wasn't trying to start nothing. But, I mean, when you don't, you know, when you done went and started the four fires, you know, a forest fire one time, I. I gotta believe if I see you walking out there with some matches and it ain't rained in the last two months, you go do it again, you know?
- [54:18]
C
Oh, for sure. I, I, I, I, I lied to you now, though. Debo, if. When I used to watch film when I was a cornerback, if the quarterback, they better change. They better change some signals then. Cause if a quarterback look over when I'm studying my tape and gives the receiver like, a two or gives them like a this or a deuces or something, I'm trying to figure out if I get that deuces again and he runs that same route. I'm noticing that. I don't think that's cheating. I think that is being very observant in the game.
- [54:47]
A
But when you sitting there, okay, all right, and you already got a piece to the quarterback. It stays on till 15 seconds, you're doing a muddle huddle. The call goes out, we're set up, ready to go as a defense, and you're like, no, hey, it's this. That's a big difference. Especially when you don't know the offense, knowing what you're in as a defense. I don't even have to think. I know. Like, no, no, no. There's no advantage that we can get as a defense because they can always change their play. Even if, like, they did, but they never had the signal. That's what I'm saying. Like, and then you have, like. Like, Peyton, Omaha, Omaha mean everything.
- [55:30]
C
That's what I. I'm. The Omaha means.
- [55:32]
A
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how you throw them off on that Omaha.
- [55:37]
C
What?
- [55:37]
A
Dude, I wouldn't even listen.
- [55:39]
C
It does anything.
- [55:40]
A
Even listen. I'm like, dude, don't even listen to that, man. That mean anything, bro? Like, even.
- [55:44]
C
Even other calls be like, sometimes. Sometimes I'm gonna give you a dummy Omaha. That's probably.
- [55:49]
A
No, he was good. He was good. He had. I don't know how. What the. How they did that or how they, you know, made rules for it, but that. That wasn't it. I. Hell, you even go to the one time where they had Cam miked up and Keekley is saying, oh, it's this. It's this.
- [56:04]
C
Yes.
- [56:05]
A
And he's like, oh, oh, yeah, for real. Okay. I got. I got something for you. That's for.
- [56:11]
C
That's the type of stuff I like. Cause that's from film study. Great linebacker study.
- [56:15]
A
But they changed it up. They changed it up. We gonna do it. You know what I'm saying?
- [56:18]
C
Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's the good part. Offenses, you gotta switch it up. Cause he's like, oh, yeah, you studied that. But I'm gonna hit you with this. You know what I'm saying? So that's the chess game of. Good work. Luke Kuechley, great linebacker. Just trying to get a little insider. Like when they run this and they move like that. And offense doing a great job of self studying. Like, oh, no, we did this. We doing this. We need to switch it up a little bit. So they're expecting this and we can. That, that's great. Just. That's. That's the inside of the game. Like, great linebackers studying. And the offense is studying themselves.
- [56:48]
A
Yeah, I tried. I ain't gonna even lie to you, dude. I tried to get an understanding of what they doing, but I didn't want to get, like, real, like alignment assignment, like tips and tendencies from, you know, formations and all that. I didn't want to do that because I didn't want to be looking for something. The only thing I looked for was I look for whoever I was going against or somebody on the offensive line that did something that was 100, dude. Let me take you back. So we're playing. We're playing Buffalo and we're watching tape. And the fullback, dude, when he would get down and it was a run play, he would get down, and if it was a run play, he would do his hand like this.
- [57:29]
C
Okay?
- [57:30]
A
And every time he did his hand like that, it was a run play. It was a hundred percent, dude. So we sitting there and we're just literally watching him. And if he was in the game and he got down and he was, you know, he was there, he didn't do his hand. It was a pass. I don't know if he got set into a thing where just nerves or get ready, do whatever, but literally, dude, he'd have the hand down, you know, this one would be sitting on his knee and he'd do like this. He did just like that, though. It was 100. And we just start. Dude, we just. We just started hollering, army Navy, bro. That's it. Like, army air Force. Sorry. We was like, army air Force. Like, army air Force. Like, that's it. We're like, yo, they ain't on the ground or they in the air. Like. And we know this just from looking at him. I don't know how they didn't pick that up.
- [58:28]
C
Like, they know they ain't self. They ain't self study. They gotta watch tape and be like, buddy, you gotta. You. You gotta just keep it. You gotta keep it tight or just do it every time.
- [58:37]
A
Right.
- [58:37]
C
You know what I'm saying?
- [58:38]
A
Right, Right. You got. You got to give them something to, you know, to look. Even when you're in the 80s, I'm still gonna take that. You know what I'm saying?
- [58:45]
C
Yeah, no, that's like a tackle that.
- [58:48]
A
You look at you like, oh, man. Oh, when he kicked that foot that wide, bruh, he trying to get out of there. He trying to get out of there. When he get. When he keep it close, he keeping it close because he want to be able to get that foot down fast enough because he got a run block. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like, I would look for. I would look for things like that. That was all. What did you look for when you.
- [59:07]
C
Was going, man, Debo. My thing was I was big, big, big on third downs, on the money downs, water receivers running on third and short, third and 1 to 3, third and third and 4 to 7, and then third and 8 to 12. Cause that was my thing. That's the money down. It's like, we gonna get them first and second. Like, I would study those downs too, big time. But my biggest thing was third down. Who's off the ball, who's on the ball? What concepts do they like to run? Are they a sticks team or do they like to go beyond the sticks? Because I want to know if I can. If it's. If you're a sticks team. If it's third and two, I'mma back off and act like I don't know that the sticks are there and you're going to throw a hitch or a slant and I can go get that money. So I was really on some, trying to play with the quarterbacks, the tendencies, understanding who's on and off what routes they like to run. So I was a big third down because that's when, like, they don't really change. Third down's money down offenses, they like to run, but they run, they switch stuff up on first and second. But third down, you're going to go to your go tos, you're going to go to your good stuff, what works. So I will always study that. And that joint was how you get picks, you can make a lot of plays because everything's first and down. It's like depending on flows, a lot of things switch. But when it gets to third downs, they got a lot of like, there's more. A lot of set things for splits, alignments and what receivers run stems, how.
- [60:21]
A
They stand out of there, what they.
- [60:23]
C
Doing, like top of the numbers, bottom of the numbers, which one is on, like, which one's off, how far they split, you know what I'm saying? Can he run that out route to the fade. So like just little things like that, concepts.
- [60:34]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I ain't gonna lie so into it, like, if I saw somebody in front of me, I immediately started getting depth. I'm like, yo, they trying to get me to bite the cheese. I'm like, they trying to get me to bite the cheese, man.
- [60:50]
C
People, I feel it and I respect you. All you need to do with you out there be like this, look, look, we see you in coverage, we know. I'm hoping that they throw it over there to you because I'm gonna make sure I got your bag.
- [60:59]
A
You know what I'm saying? For sure, for sure. I'm like coach Buzz, man, best, best linebacker coach I ever had in life. Dude, keep Butler.
- [61:06]
C
Come on, man, for sure. I mean, you keep putting your dropping y' all back in the COVID Sometimes I'm like, why is, why is debo. You know what I'm saying?
- [61:13]
A
Dude, you gotta realize, dude, the defense that we played is nothing like the defense. Even when I came back in, in 14, I'm retired there, the defense was changed. Even though, coach, the bow was there, the defense was changed. They, they, they, they had to.
- [61:26]
C
You dumbed it down, basically.
- [61:28]
A
They dumbed it down because it's a learning curve. And when you don't give guys the time to have that learning curve, you're gonna, you're gonna get, you're gonna get points scored on you because you're not going to know everything you got to do in every situation. And like I said, dude, you can go from a full out blitz, ain't got nothing, to emotion putting you on somebody locked up, man to man. And if you miss that, it may be that one nuance, then they score a touchdown or they get, you know, you know, 20, 30 yards, whatever that may be, and extends the drive and so on and so forth. So when, you know, they started starting younger guys, you know, it, it took away other parts that, you know, you couldn't do, which put holes and gaps in Things. And instead of it being holes and gaps, it just took away that whole defense. So now you were left with less of a defense to play. Because now I can't run this one defense. But if I could run that one defense, it gives these three other defense teeth. Now I take away that one defense. These defense ain't got no teeth. Now, you know what you're looking at? It simplifies the defense, but it simplifies it for the offense, too.
- [62:35]
C
Yeah, because they know now you're just sitting there. If somebody moves, we could be running something completely different. But everybody got to know what you about to get in.
- [62:43]
A
Same thing. Like, I gotta be in there with somebody who's been in this defense, who knows this defense, who's going to play on that chain with me. Because if I'm sitting here four, four, four by five on number two, and I actually supposed to be blitzing, but the damn safety is stacked two yards behind me. He knows I'm not. He knows I'm not covering. I need my safety to play at that deep. And when he sees me going, then he could roll down because now the quarterback look. Oh, yeah, I got this right here. Hey, we call it on the street over here. Coming over here because they showing hard over here. They actually dropping and we coming. But if you don't have that, you're not on that string with your corner, with your. With your linebacker, with your safety. You don't get those plays, you don't get those opportunities. And you let the quarterback read your mail before it even get delivered to you. You going. You going online like the post office got now. And what was coming. What did they just say?
- [63:43]
C
You undressed.
- [63:43]
A
You know what I'm saying?
- [63:44]
C
What that boy say?
- [63:45]
A
Stop.
- [63:45]
C
Stop undressing yourself. You got us. You undressing this, bro.
- [63:49]
A
Undressing out there butt naked, bucket naked, exposed. You know what I'm saying? Bucket naked. That like you said, bucking naked. Look here, man, I think that's about it for us, though, man. Look, we want to thank you guys again for joining us for this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. We will be back here on Friday to talk about that. Thursday Night Football. Joe.
- [64:25]
C
Yes, sir. Y' all know, make sure you like and subscribe, man. Me and Debo really appreciate the love.
- [64:30]
A
Keep it coming.
- [64:31]
C
We'll see y' all on Friday.
- [64:32]
A
Appreciate you. And we out. How you doing today, Joe?
- [64:43]
C
Let me tell you something, Debo. Deo is my time real quick.
- [65:06]
B
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest. For Albertsons and Safeway now through November 4th. Shop the annual beauty event and save $5 when you spend $25 on select beauty products. Shop in store or online for items like Dove Body Wash, Native Body Wash, Cetaphil gentle skin cleanser, Dr. Squatch body wash, Neutrogena Hydro Boost Water Gel, Dio Liquid Hand Soap and Olay Body wash. And save $5 when you spend $25 or more. Offer ends November 4th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [65:36]
A
Ah, greetings from my bath festive friends.
- [65:40]
B
The holidays are overwhelming, but I'm tackling this season with PayPal and making the most of my money getting 5% cash back when I pay in 4.
- [65:47]
A
No fees, no interest.
- [65:50]
B
I used it to get this portable spa with jets. Now the bubbles can cling to my sculpted but pruney. Make the most of your money this holiday with PayPal. Save the offer in the app ends1231. See paypal.com promoter points can be redeemed for cash and more. Pay in for subject to terms and approval. PayPal Inc. And MLS 910457.
- [66:08]
A
Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line, but first, there the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes. This is an I Heart podcast.