Deebo & Joe - MNF Reaction: Dak Prescott & the Cowboys beat the Raiders + Ja’Marr Chase suspended

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe - MNF Reaction

Dak Prescott & the Cowboys beat the Raiders + Ja’Marr Chase Suspended

Date: November 18, 2025
Host: James Deebo Harrison (Deebo)
Co-host: Joe Hayden

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Episode Overview

In this episode, NFL vets James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Hayden break down the Monday Night Football game where Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys dominated the Las Vegas Raiders. They analyze key plays, dissect team performances (especially Dallas’s offense and the Raiders’ O-line woes), and debate controversial league news—including Ja’Marr Chase’s suspension and disputes involving coaches and players. The crew’s signature candid banter and insider stories make for an animated discussion for both hardcore NFL fans and casual listeners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cowboys vs. Raiders: Game Recap and Analysis

• Early Drama: Suspensions and Coaches’ Decisions

  • Cowboys benched George (Pickens) and C.D. Lamb for the first series due to team rules.

    “They said it was a coach’s decision. They violated some team rules. Look here, man, I’ll tell you what happened now.” – Deebo [03:09]

  • The Raiders briefly forced a three-and-out to begin, with Maxx Crosby making an early impact.

    “He was on Dak’s head early… one of the only bright spots out there for the Raiders.” – Joe [04:22]

• Dallas Takes Over

  • Prescott recovered from a strip sack, then “picked apart” the Raiders defense.
    • C.D. Lamb and Pickens made plays immediately after returning, leading to a shift in momentum.
    • Raiders struggled with offensive line protection, putting Gino (Raiders QB) under relentless pressure.

  • “Raiders O-line, bro...They can’t stop water from getting out of a well.” – Deebo [18:45]

• Key Moments

  • Standout catch-and-run by Pickens: “When he catches the ball too, his intent is to score… stiff-arming, juking—pure athleticism.” – Joe [09:05]
  • Cowboys aggressive on 4th-and-1, extending the lead:

    “Fourth and one, they went on here. Got that. Got the whole touchdown. Said give me the whole five. It’s 17-6, man.” – Deebo [09:43]

  • Raiders continued to be ineffective offensively with underwhelming protection.

• Final Score and Takeaways

  • Cowboys win 33-16, as expected against a bottom-tier defense.

  “You were at number 3 ranked offense...going up against the Raiders defense that was tied for 17th...You going against an offense that’s 30th.” – Deebo [18:14]

• Cowboys’ Real Challenge—Future Opponents

  • Skepticism about Dallas beating stronger teams: “They owe four and one versus winning teams and four and over losing teams...When you play a better team, that’s when I’ll judge them.” – Joe [19:49]
  • Upcoming games vs. Eagles, Lions, Chiefs.

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2. Dez Bryant’s Advice for George Pickens

• Debate: Loyalty or the Bigger Bag?

  “Dez trying to say your legacy will be worth more if you stay in Dallas—even if the money isn’t top dollar somewhere else.” – Joe [22:49]

  • Deebo pushes back: “If it’s a four or six million dollar difference, I gotta go...You just want to see Dallas do good ’cause you played there.” [24:10]

• Context & Takeaway:

  • Insightful debate on whether players should chase the highest contract or value team legacy and happiness.

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3. Browns Quarterback Woes and Head Coach Criticism

• Browns’ 42nd Starting QB Since 1999:

  • “That’s a lot of quarterbacks. How many head coaches too?” – Deebo [27:30]

• Coach Stefanski’s Evasive Responses

  • Sharply criticized for dodging honest answers about rep distribution for QBs.

    “Kevin, obviously you didn’t understand the question because you didn’t answer it. That’s one of the most generic, you know, type responses.” – Deebo [28:41]

  • Joe agrees, noting the importance of transparency and leadership:

    “If you don’t believe, answer it...say something that makes us mad. He just trying to give us a political answer…” [33:21]

• Conspiracy Theory Segment (Lighthearted):

  • Deebo jokes about Shador’s house being broken into during a game—a playful but pointed dig at internal chaos in Cleveland.

    “That’s just my conspiracy theory. I’m just spitballin’, not saying it happened. Just a story, people.” – Deebo [36:34]

  • Joe refuses to endorse the conspiracy, keeping things lighthearted.

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4. Ja’Marr Chase Suspension Controversy

• Context:

  • Ja’Marr Chase suspended for one game and fined $500k for allegedly spitting near Jalen Ramsey.
  • Plans to appeal by claiming if he really meant to spit, “I would have spit in his face, not his jersey.”

    “First you said you didn’t even do it. Now you saying you did spit—you just didn’t mean to.” – Deebo [40:33] “If I didn’t mean to spit on you, I wouldn’t spit! First thing that happens when you’re a kid… you get popped in your mouth.” – Deebo [41:06]

• Discussion:

  • Both hosts condemn the act, labeling spitting as the ultimate disrespect:

    “That’s the most disrespectful thing in the world you could ever do in life, bro. NFL gotta make an example of this dude.” – Deebo [42:21]

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5. Locker Room Stories & Accountability

• Giants Bench Carter for “Sleeping” During Walkthrough

  • Carter claims it was “recovery,” not sleeping, and takes accountability.

    “Nevertheless, it was on me.” – Deebo [44:26]

• Hosts’ Own Experiences:

  • Deebo and Joe share authentic stories of struggling to stay awake in meetings due to demanding schedules, highlighting the grind and camaraderie in locker rooms.

    “My rookie year, it was bad, I was getting fined...My OG would wake me up…” – Joe [44:51] “I used to stand up, jog in place just to stay awake…” – Deebo [45:05]

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6. Player Leadership and Handling Team Issues

• Buffalo’s Keon Coleman Dances Before Game After Being Benched
  • OG teammate Hawkins addresses it respectfully:

    “We hold everybody accountable and we shoot straight. We don’t sugarcoat it.” – Hawkins (via Deebo) [51:27]

  • Hosts agree: the real issue is missing practice, not dancing.

    “Keep your vibes up, but at the same time, don’t miss meetings.” – Joe [53:10]

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7. Injury Updates and Roster Management

• Atlanta’s Michael Penix Jr. Suffers (Another) Season-Ending Injury
  • Hosts sympathize with Penix given his repeated bad luck (three ACLs, now a partial tear).

    “That’s just tough…physically and mentally. Continuous rehabbing, thinking you’re back, then it happens again.” – Joe [56:43, 57:40]

  • They discuss the Falcons’ big financial investment in QBs and the cruel unpredictability of football careers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Raiders’ Offensive Line:

  “They can’t stop water from getting out a well, bro.” – Deebo [18:45]

• On Spitting in the NFL:

  “That’s the most disrespectful thing in the world.” – Deebo [42:21]

• On Dez Bryant’s Advice:

  “What’s the difference between making 33 in Dallas with a good quarterback… to 35 in Miami…that number not gonna change your lifestyle.” – Joe [23:35]

• On Being Transparent as a Coach:

  “He’s up there talking like he running for office, like he a politician.” – Deebo [29:36]

• On Adversity for Undrafted Players:

  “I really don’t think there’ll ever be another player that'll be defensive player of the year that’ll be undrafted…the chances are so slim now.” – Deebo [48:10]

• On Player Accountability from a Veteran:

  “We hold everybody accountable and we shoot straight. We don’t sugarcoat it.” – Hawkins (via Deebo) [51:27]

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Important Timestamps

• Cowboys’ and Raiders’ game recap – [03:08] to [10:43]
• Dallas offensive dominance, O-line issues – [06:52] to [11:58]
• Dez Bryant/legacy-or-money debate – [22:25] to [25:21]
• Ja’Marr Chase suspension & reaction – [39:05] to [43:51]
• Browns’ QB issues & Stefanski critique – [27:14] to [34:25]
• Locker room/meeting sleep stories – [44:26] to [48:10]
• Keon Coleman and team leadership – [50:35] to [54:27]
• Penix Jr. injury discussion – [55:57] to [58:41]

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Tone & Style

The episode is loose, playful, and candid—reflecting the rapport of two ex-players unafraid to call it as they see it. While plenty of jokes and banter lighten the mood, both Deebo and Joe are deeply knowledgeable, providing sharp analysis and player-focused perspective rare in most coverage. Their storytelling and locker-room transparency offer unique, entertaining insights for listeners.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[James Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Let me tell you something, Debo Deebo is my time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Real quick. What's up? Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Hey, look here, you got a little bit of a different view right now because my equipment done malfunction. So I'm actually shooting from the camera itself and the laptop.

[Joe Hayden]

So that's what.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what we got going on, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man, I. Pete, man, the pre production show, we was hot. We were trying to get it figured out, you know what I'm saying? Trying to which cameras? We got bad angles. But you know what? This is good, Debo. I'm just from afar. You look perfect, brother.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, man, this might be something to do with X, man. I'm gonna have to call Jeff again, man. I gotta call Bezos, man. See what he doing, man, I know he had something to do with Elon. Elon, that's the other one too. Elon is X, Jeff. But both of them, they probably working together right now trying to. Trying to jack a Boy up so they won't. They want to raise the price on something Elon and already got a trillion dollars like. Come on, man, you got enough. Too much cheese like what we talking about. Hey, look here, man. Let's get this started. Joe. Cowboys went out here and put their hands on the Raiders. Yes, they put their hands on the Raiders.

[Joe Hayden]

And check it out though.

[James Debo Harrison]

Check it out though. Check it out though. George and C.D. they benched them, man, for the first couple series, man. They said it was a coach's decision. They violated some. Some team rules. Look here, man, I'm g. Tell you what happened now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, what you think we gonna get.

[James Debo Harrison]

We go get it. We gonna get it started. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what happened through the process now. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dallas went on ahead. They got up out there, right? Raiders went in there, forced the three and out, right. They punt the ball off. Raiders get the rock. They go ahead. They don't really do too much and nothing. Zeno went on ahead. Hit, hit. I think it was the tight end for 18 on the first play. And I think they dropped Jenny for like a one or two yard loss, something like that. And then Gino almost got sacked. He was able to shake it off, but they end up punting and then the ball get down inside the five yard line. So Dallas come back out there, right? Okay, they get. They get one first down conversion and then that next first down. That boy Crosby ran up in there and said sack. Fumble recovery.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah. He was on Dax head early on Dax here early. That's one. He's one of the only bright spots out there for. For the Raiders. I'll say.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. So I think the Raiders, they get the ball, you know, inside like the 10, 15, something like that. The first play they get sacked and then, oh, dude could have had a touchdown, but he missed him. I think it was Tucker. He missed on Gino. He missed Turker on that, that third down they get the field goal is three nothing. You know what happened. Jerry said, hey, we ain't doing this. That coach's decision. You like your job? Do you like your job?

[Joe Hayden]

Do you want. Do you want. Do you like it?

[James Debo Harrison]

CD and pickings back out there right now with the first thing they did. Hit. Pickings for 12. Hit. Picking for 12, went on ahead and hit it. What was that? Lumpke L. Lumpy, something like that. He went on struggle through on the short path, took for 15. They calmed down. They go ahead, slow him down. They ended up selling it for three. Raiders get back out there, man. And Gino, I think he hit. Who was the best for like 15. He hit the Bowers. That's his name. 17. Yeah, I think he had Thomas. I think this is like they best drive they had, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure. The first quarter was. Was. Was. They was their best. They did the offense did pretty good. They defense, they got a couple of stops, but then like you said, they end up getting down there. They got a field goal on this drive. So Dallas. Once the second quarter started and Dallas got the ball back, that's just when everything went downhill for the Raiders, honestly. Like, they had a little. Couple bright spots. Like I said, Crosby balled out in the first quarter, did the strap strip force fumble, and they still weren't able to get touchdowns. I got a field goal. Next thing you know, when Dallas comes out there and gets the rock, you know what they do.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question. It seems. It seemed like a little. Little pick and CD show. It was 19, then a 15, then it was. I think even the running back had one for like 10 or something like that, right? Yeah, for sure. And then CD got the touchdown for about 20, right? Something like that. It's 10 to 3. It's starting to go downhill fast. Yo, they was. They was on. They was on Geno's neck all night, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, the Raiders offensive line was terrible. They was on. They was on Genti's neck. They was on Geno's neck.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, man. Dude, Jenny could get nowhere, right? They get the Rock back. They got Gino out there running for his life. Jenny, he actually. I think he might have had a nice run that series, you know, I think he got about 11. I think the next play they dropped him. He dropped the pass on that next play, but again, like, Gino was under pressure, you know, he gets sacked. And I think that was when they showed Jerry and. And that was. That was Williams.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, yes. And then your boy went on here and did nothing. Really. He got no protection all night and they gotta punt the Rock. Like, I don't know what they expect him to do over there, man. You can't block to run. You can't. You can't protect to pass. Like what they expect him to do.

[Joe Hayden]

It's all bad. The offensive line play. Like you said, Debo, if they. If you're not blocking nobody, your quarterback not gonna be able to find the receivers, and your running back's not gonna be able to get no yards. You know what I'm saying? Like, the offensive line, if they're playing bad and Your center keeps getting beat off the rip. Your running backs getting hit in the backfield. Your quarterback can't find receivers even if they are open, so they need their line to block better if they want to get anything going. Not saying Gino's playing good or Genti's.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, I'm not saying he playing good. I'm not saying that. But how can I evaluate it when I'm not giving him the opportunity? It ain't, you know, thousand percent. Yes, he's getting opportunity. Dallas ended up getting the Rock back. You seen Erod put that thing on that boy on that first. On that first play though, right?

[Joe Hayden]

No, they hidden out there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He went on ahead to pickings again, dude. Like, they like was having troubles tackling.

[Joe Hayden]

That boy, man, they were scared to tackle that boy, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know what was going on.

[Joe Hayden]

When he catches the ball too, his intent is to score. He's not trying to just go down. He's like this now. Oh, he's looking at you. He's like this. Oh, you don't want none of this. Like, he's. I'm ready to stiff on you.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm ready.

[Joe Hayden]

I can juke you. I'm faster. And then like when he caught that and spun out of it, you know what I'm saying? And then running. He's running full speed to the pylon, dead legs, the safety and the corner. I'm like, oh, my God. And then the corner that was guarding him couldn't even catch up to him. I'm like, that is athleticism. And it's like I'm getting in the end zone. This isn't what, like, when you're playing NFL, people aren't supposed to be cutting back on people.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, he crossed the ball at five, bro. And then literally pushed you another six yards for an 11 yard game. Like that should have been five right there. Tackle down.

[Joe Hayden]

Damn.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's it. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

Big. He was doing big boy stuff out there, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

CD went on ahead, jumped in it on third down. I think he was like 14. Later it was lamb again. I think he hit about 23. And then the fourth and one, they went on here. Got that. Got the whole touchdown. Said give me the whole five. It's 17. Six, man. Raiders get the ball back.

[Joe Hayden]

Nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, no, yeah, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. But go ahead, get a tip pick right.

[Joe Hayden]

No one go ahead but a tip pick. Get the ball back to the. Where they go score again, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, man. But did you see that? That, that one that, that Pickens, I want. I won't even say he dropped. But we done seen him catch those. Like we done seen him make. Make a play. They said, they said it was almost a pick. I'm like, no, that was almost a.

[Joe Hayden]

I was almost a kick away.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that was the catch.

[Joe Hayden]

Those are, Those are the 50 50s that I'm talking about. Those are the ones that. George, he's going to make that play. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

You thinking.

[Joe Hayden]

You expecting him to catch the joint? It was a. They broke it up. Whatever. The. He wasn't gonna pick it, but he almost made it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. For sure, dude. Yep. Third and ten. They ended up getting the incompetence, but it was a PI. So that. That extended the drive. Then Williams, they running back, he went on ahead, hit him for 16 on that next play. Then they. What was it? They got a false start and then shaken bait hit Pickens. I think it was what, 37? Yep, it was 37 yard touchdown. Like, come on, bro. 24 to 6. It's going downhill fast, dude. Raiders get out there and I was kind of surprised. Like they, they went on ahead and put together a little drive. They got a field goal. I mean with the help of. I think they had a holding penalty and an off size and to get enough time to connect. I think it was with the, the tight end for. Was it 25 or something like that? I think it was. Yeah. Was it 25? Because all they got was a field go out of it. It went into halftime. It was like 24 to 9.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

They come out of halftime. Dallas went on here, stood up for a hot second. They forced her. They forced it three and out. Williams. Yep. He went on ahead, got a little bit of that get back just a little bit because the, the safety was still able to tackle him, but he dropped him like. You know how you hit that boom, boom, straight down. Yeah. Oh, he was able to hold on to that leg. I don't know why. I like seeing people get hit and I don't. I don't care what.

[Joe Hayden]

Because it's not.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's not.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not often. It's not often. They're not going to throw a flag. It's tough to get them good, Debo. And when you get it good without a flag, it's good. Good to see. I know what you said because I love it too.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Even though it was the safety getting ran. Well, not getting ran over. That's the only reason why he got a little get back. Because if he had ran him all the way over. He would have got all that get. Yeah. And dude, like Pickens on that second, like, dude, it was like he was in. He. He was in war zone and had a cheat code, bro. Like that shouldn't have been no more than what, maybe six, seven yards at the most. What he ended up getting like 30 or something, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

His run after the catch is elite catch.

[James Debo Harrison]

His elite crazy. Very next one, Lumpkin again about 12. Pickens right after that and that hit second. What was that 19 for? For a two yard touchdown. What's his name? I can't remember his name.

[Joe Hayden]

I remember, but he ran. He ran a nice, nice little pivot route too.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he shook him. Dude thought he was all the way in. As soon as he saw him turn that head, he cut that thing back out. 31 9, bruh. So I'm really angry. I'm kind of thinking the game is over with, even though it ain't even the fourth quarter yet. And somehow the Raiders come out there, put together another dry like and that fourth and one that they can. Well, I shouldn't say they converted. I could. I should say Genti converted because he had no blocking whatsoever. I thought he was just dead in the water. He was able to convert that and then it's, you know, it's 16 to what, 31.

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[James Debo Harrison]

It's almost a whole fourth quarter left and then Dallas get the kickoff return. They bring it all the way almost to midfield. I'm like, yeah, it's for sure over with. And the Raiders force a three and out, bro. We. Yo. And then, dude, who was that? Tucker? Why are you even grabbing the ball right there, bro? Like, you get tackled at. What was it the two acting up as you try and return it?

[Joe Hayden]

Like you gonna feel the ball inside the 10.

[James Debo Harrison]

What are you doing after it bounced? You better hope it just keep going that way, bro. Let.

[Joe Hayden]

Let them, let them try to recover. And the way that these dudes be acting on special teams, they're going to slide into the damn end zone, put their foot on the ball like somehow. But you bring up, you catch it yourself, let the ball go.

[James Debo Harrison]

Then they get the ball back. The first play, they fall start so it take them from the, from the two to the one. And you know they. Cause they can't pass the ball because they can't block. They was like, you know what, let's just take the lesser of the two evils. Let's try and run it. Worst thing that could happen, hopefully is that we, you know, we, we don't give up six or seven. We, you know, worse, we give up two and they give up two and.

[Joe Hayden]

They give up 2. Like that offensive line, he getting hit in the backfield. He was stopping his feet. I'm like, damn it. Just not, not good. Yeah, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

And Dallas get the ball back. They just going. They just trying to burn up clock right now. They ain't trying to strike up too many points on them. They end up punting the ball. 4 min left back to him. Game, you know, game basically over with.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

So it ends up, ends up with the 33 to 16 Dallas. They did what they're supposed to do, though. Like, come on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

You were at number three ranked offense. You're going up against the Raiders defense. That was tied for 17. Really? That's 18 to me. And you going against the offense? Well, offense is 30th. They defense was 30th, but they also added, they added some, some things to their defense before the trade deadline. It actually paid off, you know, right there.

[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, dude. I don't know, dude. I was Raiders o line, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Terrible.

[James Debo Harrison]

They can't stop water from getting out of whale, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. And there's no way, there's nothing you can get going if that's your, if that's what's going on. If you can't, like, if you can't renegotiate the restart, the line of scrimmage, you're not getting any push. In the run game and in the past game, you just getting beat and your quarterback can't get to his drop and plant and make any reads. There's no success that's going to happen there. So, I mean, they, they, the Raiders don't look too good on, they don't look good on all offense with the offensive line. Their defense, they got Max Crosby and I, I love him. He's going to go out there, he's going to ball. I feel like Max, you know what I'm saying, he's out there hooping, but that he, you, you can do only so much, right? You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

And then football, baby. It's 10 other cats out here that got to do their job. Everybody's getting paid, no question, no question.

[Joe Hayden]

The Cowboys, they, that was really, that was what they were supposed to do, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what they supposed to do. Now they want to holler about weeding. Boys, come on.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

Y' all just played the way we done, boys.

[Joe Hayden]

They said they owe four and one versus winning teams and four and overs, losing teams. So when you go play a losing team, you're gonna win. When you go play a winning team, you're gonna lose. So, I mean, Dallas, I, I, I hope that they can go win this one, but when they go play, I just got to see them do it versus better teams. They was like Dak the strip Fumble cd he had CD for a touchdown wide open in the end zone that he just let him. You know what I'm saying? It could have been another one. So they, they got plays that they leave out on the field, but when they play against a better team, that's when I'm be able to judge them versus the competition.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, I ain't gonna lie. I'm a self admitted Dallas hater, but I gotta give him a little bit of prop, you know, he's still. You still gotta go out there and do it.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta be.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta be. When we went to Cincinnati and didn't do it, you see what I'm saying? Dak went on here, he threw four touchdowns, bro. Like he almost had 140. Quarterback rating, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Went on here, got nine for 144 with a Tutty Lamb added. What was it, 65 with another touchdown. And hell, the running back almost had 100. I think he had like 90. What? 95, 93, something like that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, yep, yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

And your boy, I can't get his name. Lumpky. He. Hell, he was averaging 12 yards a catch. You know, the defense did better. You know, defense did better. But again, again, you, you sack Gino four times. I think a lot of people didn't say Gino, you know, a few times. 27 yards rushing is sick though. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

27 yards rushing is 27 yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

238 receiving. You know, pull off them sack yards. It's only a total of 236. I ain't gonna lie. That's good for a whole game. Yeah, but it is rigors.

[Joe Hayden]

We will see when they play somebody good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, hey, listen, listen, listen. Them boys.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who y' all got next?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't even know.

[James Debo Harrison]

Fly Eagles, fly.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, they got the Eagles next.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's gonna be good. Hey, they got, they got lies in a couple weeks though, after that Lion's mad upset. Gotta be okay. Dang.

[Joe Hayden]

Dang. Yeah, they've been going through some that trouble. Trouble last week. Trouble.

[James Debo Harrison]

They got the Chiefs too, in between that, you know, tough schedule. Yeah, I think they got the charges on there too, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, what you think about what DEZ was talking about with George?

[James Debo Harrison]

I. I don't, I don't, I don't understand what he's talking about. I don't, I don't. I don't know what he's saying. Like, like, he's like, I, I hear what he's saying. I just don't know what he's trying to say it or relate it to, like, what he. Like, I don't know. So you're trying to tell him not to stay there or, or to go.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, I don't know. I know. I think. No, I think he's trying to tell him to stay there. I think he's trying to tell him to stay there. I think he's trying to tell him. So we say. I want, I want to understand wherever it's, whenever it's time to negotiate your contract, your legislature, your legacy will be worth more than being the highest paid wide receiver if you stayed with the Cowboys. So I'm thinking that he's saying that once you become a free agent, you know what I'm saying, you're going to be able to. What's the difference between. I. Hopefully, hopefully. This is what I think he's saying. What's the difference between making 33 in Dallas with a good quarterback where you know you're going to get the ball, you have a great situation to 35 in, let's say, Miami. Do you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

So is that okay? Okay, I understand that.

[Joe Hayden]

Two per year, where it's like the. Guaranteed is still around 90 a year in both spots. And is that number really, like, that's not going to change your lifestyle? And then if you're there, when you have a good quarterback, where you have this camaraderie, where you feel comfortable, you feel good, where you, like, this is where you're building your roots, that's going to make another deal. It's going to be easier to get that because you know your quarterback, you like your situation than to go somewhere else for extra 2 million bucks. Not, not like 2 million, you know, you want to go get your bag. I know. He's not saying like, no, they're offering you 42 and they're offering you 30. No, let's go.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

But, but I'm still saying that. Yeah, okay, it's two million a year. Could be a total eight. Yeah, okay, maybe you stay there, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. But when you go anywhere where it may be a four to six million dollars, I got to go. I don't care what you're talking about.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, you just want to see Dallas do good because you played there, you're a fan. Just as I want to see Pittsburgh do good because I played there, I'm a fan now. Yeah, but like, come on, you, you.

[Joe Hayden]

Gotta go get your bag. That's the number one and first thing especially now, George Pickens. He's coming off a rookie contract. He doesn't have a big deal. He doesn't have M's in the bank. He wasn't making $30 million per season. But what I'm saying, like me, I think we're saying the same thing. Not. We're not saying, don't like six, four million dollar differences and all that. No. When you go get your original bag, if it's Dallas and at 33 with 90 guaranteed and you got Miami at 93 guaranteed, I would stay in Dallas for that because that's, that's nothing. That's.

[James Debo Harrison]

And when you're looking at Dallas, no state income tax. So.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, I forgot.

[James Debo Harrison]

You got to relate that you got.

[Joe Hayden]

A lot, you got a lot of things with that nature. But I'm just thinking with. He's saying it's not always the grass isn't always greener on the other side. And if it's not for us, like significance when we're talking about real M's here that you're going to be able to put away in your pocket, stay there where you can be able to continue to perform. AJ Brown is not as happy. Tyreek Hill going, leaving Kansas City. He would like that 30 with Patrick Mahomes. Morning. You're not feeling as much happy when you're getting that 30 with Tua, you know what I'm saying? So just being able to know like happiness. Miles Garrett, you went and resigned again for 40. Any other team would have gave you 40. You don't have to go take the money, but when you do go do it for a little bit more of the bag. No, you're in a situation that you're in where you could be in a good team, good situation, maybe a little bit less, maybe not the highest paid. But that's not going to change your lifestyle. That's going like the way you, what you can go get. It could change your lifestyle and winning and being able to be happy, going to work in a good place and being good. Oh yeah, man. What's the extra 500,000 extra million. You're going to be looking crazy sitting, you know what I'm saying? Pissed off. So I'm with the thousand percent. Go get your bag, the biggest bag you can. But then it's like, if it's like penny pinch at the end when you got all the contracts in front of you, you looking at them like, okay, okay. It's really not. At the end of the day, I'm making $33 million a year here, chilling, feeling good. You know what I'm saying? Like that. Then that's kind of what I'm hoping he's saying instead of like, no, if it's $12 million different, you bet. No, go get your cheese, right? That's money. You can go pay 6 million for your children. Liquid money. No. You know what I'm saying? A couple little here, like, no, I'm be able to make that on the back end. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I hope that's kind of. And I think that's kind of what he's saying, because that's. That's what I would say.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, Yeah, I got you now. I'm. I'm good with that. I'm good with that. Now, look here, man, let's. Let's talk about. Let's talk about your team, man. So your. Your boy should do it. He expected to get his first start Sunday.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

We're dealing on the side now. You know this. Go be the 42nd quarterback that the Browns done had as a starter since. Since 1999, man. You know, you're.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a lot of quarterbacks.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, how many head coaches like a lot. A lot of game coaches, too, right? A lot of head coach. Let's. Let's. Speaking of head coaches, man, hey, your boy Stefanski was asked if he would change anything about how he divided up reps for the quarterback. And here what he had to say. Would you have changed anything about the approach, about how you maybe divided up the first team reps from training camp to now?

[Kevin Stefanski]

Yeah, I understand the question, Cam. I think it's important that you do what you think is right for a football team. The development of our players is constant. It doesn't happen just in one drill or in one practice or one meeting. So we trust our guys, we trust our backup players to. To be ready to go. And Shador is ready to go. Obviously, I know he wants to play better, I want to coach better, all those type of things, but that just comes. That'll come through work. That's where it will come.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, Joe, Joe, Joe, listen. Let me. Let me. Let me. Let me. Let me. Let me talk about this, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Please talk about this.

[James Debo Harrison]

Kevin, obviously you didn't understand the question because you didn't answer it. Okay? Now, that's one of the most generic, you know, type responses that you can get. And I don't know, Kevin, are you uncomfortable with the truthful answer because it may make you look bad maybe, or. I don't know. You could be hiding something because I know you didn't misunderstand the question.

[Joe Hayden]

You heard a lot of clips.

[James Debo Harrison]

You yourself said I understand the question. Quiet.

[Joe Hayden]

He.

[James Debo Harrison]

Is up there talking like he running for office, like he a politician. Cleveland, y' all don't have a politician. Not a head coach, baby. That's what y' all done hired. Man, this man can't even stand on his own decision or admit that he was wrong or even possibly in hindsight, I could have did something different that may have helped my team. So like I want to know if.

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[Joe Hayden]

You knew.

[James Debo Harrison]

That Dylan is not going to play now and he's not going to be the backup. Would you give or are you going to give the backup any reps at the one that would be backing up Shador? I don't know what, what you think Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo. I'm, I'm. I'm with you with. When Kevin can't answer a question like stand on something, stand on anything. You know what I'm saying? Like, like if you don't believe like answer it. Do you think you would have switched it up? No, I would have did exactly what I'm doing right now because that's the way my process is. I would have gave Dylan all of the reps because he's a young quarterback and I think he's. If it were to split any reps he needs to get every rep so he's ready for the game. Say that or say no, I don't think Shador was ready. He's not going to be the second string quarterback. And I mean what. Say anything. Say something that makes us mad. Say something that makes us. He's just trying to give us political answer like when he like he's at the combine or something.

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't give a political answer, man. You're not a politician. You a head coach that's making decisions on if your team go win or lose. You. What are you talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

You're with me. You're with me. We're saying the same thing. He's talking like he's like he, like he can't stand on something. Like he's like he's scared to like say if he did something wrong or admit to why he's making this decision. Stand on while you're doing things. Sir. Say you wanted Dylan have all of the reps because he was our first string quarterback. He's a rookie and I just wanted him. Him to get every. I wanted him to get all of them. So he's ready, he's premiumly ready for the game. Say that like or you don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

Please say that. Can you, can you please say that.

[Joe Hayden]

Anything because then I'll then, then we're like okay, perfect. Then somebody, somebody say I don't agree but I see what watcher why, why.

[James Debo Harrison]

You would do that.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? But if you don't say nothing Then. Then. Hold on.

[James Debo Harrison]

What?

[Joe Hayden]

I asked the question. I don't know where he stands. So that's the only part that gets me off. Like, say something. Stand on it. And then now we can. Now at least we can understand where you're coming from. I don't even know where you're coming from.

[James Debo Harrison]

Joe. Y' all got some problems over there and in Cleveland. Now, here's some disturbing information, all right? Shadora's home got broken into during the game. That's crazy, Right? Again. Now, you know me, I gotta get a little something started. You know, I gotta. I'm like a. I'm like an instigator of sorts. I like to. And I like to. You know, I like to keep things interesting. You know? I mean, Joe, I like to keep things interesting. So this is, like something that I. What's the thing where you, like, say something that. That could be true, could not be true, but is true or ain't true? Find out later. It could be true. You know what?

[Joe Hayden]

That.

[James Debo Harrison]

What they call that? What they call that? What they call that? What.

[Joe Hayden]

That is hypothetical.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, no, no, no. A conspiracy theory.

[Joe Hayden]

I got a conspiracy theory. Okay, okay?

[James Debo Harrison]

So this is just. I'm not saying this is true, okay? I'm just. I'm just spitballing, okay? Because, you know, that's. You know, this is my conspiracy, okay? So this is what I thought happened, or conspiracy of what I think could happen. So halftime, Kane. And he knew that Dylan was out, right? And when he found that out, Kevin probably got a call from. Or. Or Dylan might have called his agent, said, I'm out. And Kevin. Oh, my goodness, they got the same agent. Anyway, so I think that it was conspiracy to make sure that Shador had a little bit more pressure on him. So this is. I'm just spitball. I'm not saying this happened. I'm just talking. This is a story, people.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm not saying this happened, okay? I'm just talking. I think the agent. Since they both have the same agent, Dylan and Kevin Stefanski, I think they went and broke into the man's house, had somebody do it.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo. See, there you go.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I'm just talking.

[Joe Hayden]

We're talking about somebody breaking into my man's house.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I'm just talking. No, listen, I'm just spitballing. I'm not saying this happened. I'm just talking. I'm telling story. This. This. This is.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not here. I'm not here.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm not here for this conspiracy, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not here for this conspiracy.

[James Debo Harrison]

And I think it was in my story. I'm just spitballing here, man. Listen, listen to me, man. And I'm thinking they was hoping that it got to him before he went back out there or sometime during the game to rattle him a little more, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I'm just giving what you think I know for. I pray not. I pray not. You know, my man house got hit up, Debo. We gotta, you know, let's just hope that everything is okay because that's. That's just messed up. Your. The privacy of your own home, people breaking into your house. I don't want to make a joke about people breaking into your house. I make.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't making no joke about people breaking to your house.

[Joe Hayden]

You're making a joke. That, that, that Dylan Gabriel and Coach Fancy.

[James Debo Harrison]

That ain't. I'm not making the joke. I'm just telling you what. I'm just giving a conspiracy theory.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, I. Debo, I think better than you.

[James Debo Harrison]

You are.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, Debo. You better than that. You better than that. You better than that. You don't believe that. You don't believe that conspiracy theory.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm writing a story, a fictional story, Joe. Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just sad, man. That's just bad.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's producer.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm all that you are. Yeah. Breaking in my man Shador's house, man, that's just. That's bad business. That's bad business. I hope the people are caught.

[James Debo Harrison]

I hope they get caught.

[Joe Hayden]

I hope they get caught. I hope they get locked.

[James Debo Harrison]

Conspiracy theory is true. They ain't gonna get caught. Call. I'm just saying, if you're considering.

[Joe Hayden]

They gonna be on the conspiracy theory is through. True. They in the locker room with my dog right now.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm just saying. Just saying. Listen, man, the man can't tell true save his life. So even if it was true, which I know it, it ain't true. I'm just, you know. Yeah. I'm just getting trashed, you know, I just like. I like to get it out there sometimes. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I feel you. I feel you like to stir some stuff up sometimes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Speaking of stirring it up, man, they got. They got Jamar Chase for one game. Final 500K. Yeah, listen to this, though. Listen to this. According to Ian rapper board, Jamar Chase plans to appeal the one game suspension, claiming that if he was going to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spit in his face. Face and not his jersey or ground. What you go back it up With I meant to spit, just not in his face, on his jersey or. You didn't mean you was just spitting within three inches of somebody? Jaylen, he said he would have spitting your. No, don't let me gas Jaylen. I ain't gas. Jay. I ain't gonna gas you. I ain't gonna do that to you. Look, so you can't back that up with that. You can't. You can't go in and try and like, what are you appealing, bro? It's there. You're done. You done already lied. First you said you didn't even do it. Now you're saying you did spit, you just didn't mean to spit on him. And if you were actually trying to spit on him, you would have spit in his face. If you ain't spitting his face, he'd be still on top of you, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Right now. Right now. Debo, he says this, bro, because, I mean, you know how when you, when you get a fine, like, people. I was appealing stuff that you know you did wrong. So you trying to see if you're.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just trying to see if you get some money back.

[Joe Hayden]

See if you can give me something. Give me something. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know you did it wrong.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what, for you appealing this, they need to give you some more time.

[Joe Hayden]

They might have to give you some more because blatantly saying that, like, and then, then to go in when he spit on them, Debo. To not move and not react and then act like he didn't, you know, what you did, I would have brought, you know, Exactly.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because if I'm there and I didn't mean to spit on you and you. I'm not spitting. No way. Listen here, man. The first thing that happens when you were a kid, that first time you spit, you get popped in your mouth.

[Joe Hayden]

In the mouth like that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Don't you never spit. My mama pop me in my mouth, dude, when I spit. Dude, she said, don't you never spit. I didn't know she meant don't spit on somebody. So I never. Joe, I didn't.

[Joe Hayden]

You just wouldn't spit.

[James Debo Harrison]

I, I. Dude, I didn't spit.

[Joe Hayden]

I.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I didn't spit. Listen, bro, I'm at a football game in high school, and I'm standing next to my home, and my homeboy spit on the ground. Joy, grab his mouth.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, don't do that.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm gonna go come pop you in the mouth. I said, my mom. Oh, don't do that. My mama gonna pop you in the mouth. No, but. No, but seriously, bro. Yes, listen, you cannot even spit on the ground, dude. In Singapore, it's a thousand dollars for one spit. If you do it again, it keeps doubling. You do three spits, man, you bought $15,000 in the hole, man. Like, just spitting on the ground and pregnant, bro. Like, you cannot spit on anyone, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's the most disrespectful thing in the world you could ever do in life, bro. The NFL gotta make an example of this, dude. Like, with this being the third, what's gonna happen? Like, what's gonna happen the next time? Dude, we talking about the integrity of the NFL, protecting the shield and this reputation that. What are you doing here? What. What signal are you sending out? Hey, spit on somebody, we'll give you a game. Don't worry about it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, that's. It's wild, man. Especially.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then when you react to being spit, you get kicked out the game. What, I should just be spit on and stand there and take it?

[Joe Hayden]

The punches. They worried about more of punches thrown that people getting spit on. We gotta switch that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, Like, I don't. I don't understand the. The. The thought process and him answering or responding to this. That is if that is true. Bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Bro, it's true.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's true.

[Joe Hayden]

He basically saying, I would have spit in his face. So how you gonna. He gonna lift his head, Jamar, you're trying to get away with it. Like, you spit and didn't even move, and you basically felt like you got away with it until 4K was out there in a thousand cameras. So you said, I would have spit on his face. No, you wouldn't have. You trying to get away with it. You talking about you, right? You try to lately lift your head up so you can get that good spit, boom. Right into him. No, you trying to be undercover and slide and spit on somebody and get away with it. You're not going to do that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Not even close to it, bro. Not even close to it.

[Joe Hayden]

That was wild.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, yo, the Giants, they benched Carter for sleeping during a walk through, but he said he was not sleeping. He said he was actually doing recovery. Nevertheless, it was on me. So I ain't got no problem with him saying because he actually took accountability. He just like, yo, you said I was sleeping during.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

A walk through. Like, who in the world does that? Like, yes, I should have been there. Boom, boom, boom. But y' all ain't gonna sit here and make it seem like I was just. Oh, I'm just sleeping. I get to the walkthrough whenever I get time, like that's crazy. Like they just, they're just trying to stir up some stuff, you know, I don't listen. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I used to sleep, I used to sleep in the meetings, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not gonna be the one to sit here and lie, my bro. My, my. I mean, not, not. I mean, when I started getting. When my rookie year, it was, it was bad. I was getting fine. My man Ab, wake me up because I was outside.

[James Debo Harrison]

You was. You was drafted. My rookie year, I wasn't sleeping in me, bro. I used to stand up in the back, I used to take my clothes off and jog in place to stay away, man. After I got, After I got to me, man, I'd sit up there. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. And coach the boat. He'd. He'd be, he'd be out there, I'd be sitting in the front. He'd be up there, you know, going through his stuff. Dude, I'd be heavy and I, I go to sleep and only time he would ever attack me is when I would get a snore out. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Wow.

[James Debo Harrison]

Bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Yo, you were, you were dreaming in the meetings. You weren't just like a little, you know.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, it wasn't all the time. It was, you know, it was like. It was like once, you know, once, once every other week you got to realize, man, I get home, you know, we get home from a Sunday game. If we get home at 3, 4 o', clock, I go straight to the gym.

[Joe Hayden]

You up? Okay. You 25?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Then I go home, I start getting treatment and therapy. Dude, I may not sleep until Tuesday night. And I'm getting up at like 3, 4 to go in. So I may get 3, 4 hours of sleep to go in so I could get. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

So that's wild though, you taking care of your body. Getting working, getting working asleep from being tired because I was out too late. That's. That was. That, That's. Yeah, I wowed out my rookie year with that. That, that's. And I'm not, I'm not proud of it, but we're here to be honest about what was going on. So they might. The couple just stand up too late, like. And that's why I was only in the beginning after that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, for me, the reason I had to be in the back standing up, jumping around is I was on special teams, but I'm hanging out with my OGs, who in the front with the feet kicked up. I'm back here running in place, you know, trying to stay. I can't afford to be.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, after that, bro, I'm telling you, some people, after that second con, after that first deal. After that first deal, your eyes might could be closed a little bit.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right, right.

[Joe Hayden]

You got.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta make sure to stand it. You know what I'm saying? I couldn't close, dude, I couldn't close my eyes. So it was my, what, one. My third deal. You gotta realize, Joe, I ain't. I ain't start until five years in almost six. They only started. Hell, I only started with Pittsburgh from 2007-12 because I went to what's the Name in 13.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Came back 14 to 17.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, like, the more. Half of my time was special teams, bro. Half of was starting. Damn.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, well, I ain't gonna lie to you, man. You done. You did that because you went and got all them Pro Bowls and your defensive player of the year. Like, people don't just walk around with defense. Player of the year. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, this is.

[James Debo Harrison]

This is true. Yeah, I found that out. I found that out, though. I ain't gonna lie to you. It ain't. I. I really don't think it'll ever be another player that'll be defensive player of the year that'll be undrafted because the chances of a guy making it now is an undrafted player.

[Joe Hayden]

They're not going. They're not going to miss out on that.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's so slim now, dude. Like, you don't. You don't have the time to actually, you know, get the reps that you need. You know what I'm saying? You don't have as many preseason games to show yourself anymore. It's only, what, three now? So you know that that opportunity now, dude, is. Is slim.

[Joe Hayden]

Gotta.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta flash just to make it right. Just to make it, you know? And. And for me, I would have never got an opportunity to start if PZ hadn't spit on William Gray. Yeah. Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because they would have never gave me.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they would.

[James Debo Harrison]

Never gave me a chance, bruh, to actually get out there. And it was like, oh, they had a guy that they had drafted ahead of me and he. He. He wasn't. He wasn't better than me, but they drafted him ahead. So they were playing him. Anytime they knew that one of the starters would be out, he would dress. He played no special Teams started on nothing, and I did all the special teams and all that, and Peasy happened to get kicked out right before the game. They didn't know it was gonna happen, so he wasn't dressed. I'm there. And they like, yo, you gotta go. I'm like, all right, cool.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So that's perfect, man. You ready for that op. Hey, thank you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question, no question. I think. I think I might have got my first sack in that game. First stop, 2000. What was that, 2011? No, sorry. 2004. That was. No, it might have been five. I can't remember.

[Joe Hayden]

Four or five. I'm gonna check.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm looking five or six, something like that. That was my first. First time I. I ever got a. Ever got a start. But I came in in 2002. Like, my first start ever was like almost three years later, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, for sure, you know, so. Damn, that's good shit, though, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. We gonna go over here to. What was it? Buffalo, I think.

[Joe Hayden]

Who we got?

[James Debo Harrison]

Coleman. He was. They said he was dancing before the game, I guess against the Bucks. He was benched by the team for being late to practice on Friday. We got the video, right.

[Joe Hayden]

He was cr. He was killing. He was getting it too, though. Listen, I got hit that. What was they playing that? I. I think that's. I think I know the song. That joint. He was. What's it called? I bet you won't, I bet you won't. I bet you won't, I bet you won't.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, that might be it.

[Joe Hayden]

That was it.

[James Debo Harrison]

That might be.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Like, yeah, that might be. I might be, bro. That might be, yeah. Hawkins had. Had a message for him, though. We got the sound, show it up, pop it up.

[Joe Hayden]

Honestly, we need guys to come on. And Keon knows right now he's in a hot seat and he needs to come on and show up for us. Pat's on the back are over with and it's time for him to go up and he knows it. And as an older player on the team, we hold everybody accountable and we shoot straight. We don't sugarcoat it. And the words and words said to him and he took it well.

[James Debo Harrison]

What do you think of him dancing before the game? And what do you think of Hawkins? Mess to him.

[Joe Hayden]

I like the message from OG Because I like him. I like him a lot. He's very respectful and he does. Leads by example. The one thing I would say is it's more that it's not about the dancing. I don't want him to take away. I want him, the kid to sit there and be sad and act like, oh, damn.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't need him taking the rest of the team down because he down. No, I don't need to be pissed off.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. The thing is, I love about what he said was he's not talking about the dancing part. I need you to be. If you. That's you be, you don't be walking around here looking crazy because you messed up. We're talking about you missing practice, being late to practice.

[James Debo Harrison]

We need you.

[Joe Hayden]

You're a key player. You can't be doing that. The coaches sat you down because you were late for practice. And you know what I'm saying? Like, that's the thing. We need you to be way more present. So I think he's telling him, as a leader, we need you. We need you to be here. You can't be doing that. And just. That's just not going to work. I'm not worried about him dancing because that's just a happy person. That's his personality that he brings to the team when they're good. So I know his teammates was around him getting it too. That's just a vibe guy. You got dudes just. You just happy to be around. And I wouldn't want Keon to be a dude. It's like man just soaking because he's not playing. Or just get bad vibes. Keep your vibes up, but at the same time, don't miss meetings.

[James Debo Harrison]

We need you.

[Joe Hayden]

So I love the way that they went about it. I don't want him to not be dancing. Like, that's just you. But same time, I need you to be a practice on Friday.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

It.

[James Debo Harrison]

It don't matter. Dude, you, You. If he did it the other way, they'd be like, oh, he out there talking because he. He, he. He didn't get to play. He ain't nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

He ain't.

[James Debo Harrison]

He ain't. He ain't doing nothing to motivate his teammates. He should be out there being a team guy and all the other stuff. But now he dancing. Oh, he d even care. He ain't playing.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, he's too happy. He too happy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Can't win. You can't win with these bums nowadays like you. You ain't played the game. You ain't did it. You don't understand what. What people out there going through, what they need to do, what. What energy. You should really come with, like, Come on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

They already gave him the alignment and the message.

[James Debo Harrison]

That ain't even harsh, dude. That's OG Talking to him. That's him accepting it and being like, yes, you right. I understand 100%.

[Joe Hayden]

OG I would respect, too, because OG gonna love up on him, too. He's not just telling them nothing crazy, and he's not talking to you when you're not doing something that. That's affecting your game and that's affecting the team. He's really trying to help you grow as a player, and that's what good vets do. He's not just doing nothing crazy. Then when he's telling them, he's like, no, like, we let him know, like, we need you. This is what we approve, what we expect. So it's not a bashing. It's not like, go out there.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's not. Dude, it's not even. It's not even close to a bashing, dude. No, like, that's me going ahead and saying what I need to say, and it being in a respectful manner. A leader, you know, saying what needs to be said. And I'm not attacking him. I'm stating. What's the obvious is which he has already said, yes, yo, we need you. Like, I don't. Dude, they just. You want to get something started. That's all it is.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not mad at that at all. I just need him to be there. And I love the way OG did it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question about it. You can't. You can't. You can't come no better than that, man. Especially. And. And how he. You know, how he took it. How. How he took it in stride, and he's like, yo, I understand, you know, it ain't gonna happen no more. Yo, over in Atlanta, Michael, he pinnocks. He. He. He has this. Dude, he done did a lot of ACLs and all this other stuff. Like, college was crazy. Like, he. He do. He tore. He part. He suffered a partially torn ACL this time during Sunday's game to the Panthers. Like, I guess he's seeking a second opinion, but they're saying that it's not encouraging. This will be his fifth season ending surgery in eight college and pro seasons. Dude, three ACLs, 2018, 2020, and this partial right now in 25. Dude, that sucks for him. They worried about. They worried about them paying him, you know, 180 million to avoid an issue. And now they're like, they're in an issue.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie to you. You paid that up front just so that you didn't have to pay more if things went better than what y' all thought it was gonna go.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man. I mean, this. I just feel bad for him. I feel sorry for him. You know, football is football. It's 100 people gonna get hurt. It's gonna be injuries and then wear and tear on your body. He was in college for a long time, and then just continuous injuries, and it keeps happening, and we not getting no younger.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, he had a sternal convicular blow. That's what James had. Like, that's your. That's right here, dude. That's not your ac. Dude, that. I know what that is, dude. That's eight months. Yeah. That's a long process, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

So, you know, man, I just. The injuries for him, I. I just feel bad for him, but, you know, it's the NFL, man, and then you just continuously getting hurt. I just pray for that he gets recovered. And with the Falcons, I mean, that's just. That's just. That's unfortunate. You drafted quarterbacks. You draft them a little bit. Order drafted him a little bit earlier than some people expected, you know what I'm saying? Coming off of. He had a lot of injuries in college, so, you know, it is what it is.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's part of that. That's part of the business. Some things go. Go their way, some things go our way. But at the same time, he still got to deal with it.

[Joe Hayden]

Physically, man, I just pray for him, you know, that mentally, that's just tough. Just, you know, like you said, your son gets hurt, you've had surgeries. I've had surgeries. Just continuous rehab and thinking you're back to a position, and then. But when you getting older, you trying to play at the highest level, I think that could be a lot. A lot tougher, you know what I'm saying? Like, you trying to get back.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Especially, you know, that's. It's not. It's not just playing the game anymore. It's like. It's your career, it's your livelihood. Yeah. But, you know, 180 will help. You feel me? Help. I'm gonna pray for him all. All day, though. Did he.

[Joe Hayden]

When you say, did he get. I don't think he got 180, dude, because he's on the rookie. He's on his rookie deal, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

They. They paid a different quarterback 180.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, I think it might have been. Was it Kurt.

[James Debo Harrison]

Kurt Cousins?

[Joe Hayden]

Kirk Cousins. Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

They paid Kirk Cousins 180.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. They paid a different quarterback 180. And now he done did this.

[Joe Hayden]

So that's why they saying the Falcons looking is done got a quarterback in the top pick. He hurt. And then Kirk Cousins ain't really panned out with the 180.

[James Debo Harrison]

He ain't go. What are you talking about? He ain't.

[Joe Hayden]

He ain't panned out with the 180.

[James Debo Harrison]

They paid him in order. Oh, yeah. That's for sure. Kirk Cousins, he's sitting good. I'm tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

Her cousin's been stinging him for a long time. Good man. I love Kirk Cousins and his agent, and they just right where you need to be. I'm a starring quarterback. Good. Top is 60. Give me 30. Top is 50 something. I do 27. He was just right there just stinging his. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

They gotta go. Earn it.

[Joe Hayden]

Got to.

[James Debo Harrison]

Know if you're gonna be. Dude's doing that. Like, I ain't gonna be able to give him that pennies. No, he ain't here to give him that pennies. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's. That's. That's gonna be. That's gonna be hard to hold, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Prayers up for pinnocks, though, but sure question, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

Look here, man, we want to thank y' all for joining us. Even though the sub what it should be, I'm sinking in my chair because I'm trying to stay low enough but not get too high on y' all like this.

[Joe Hayden]

So a little technical difficulty.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, a little technical difficulties, man. Look here, man. Make sure you guys hit the like and subscribe button. We will be back here on Friday, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yo, make sure y' all hit that like and subscribe button, man. Appreciate y' all joining me and Debo every time you come. We really appreciate it, guys. And we out.

[James Debo Harrison]

How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Let me tell you something, Debo Deebo is my time real quick.

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