Deebo & Joe - MNF REACTION: Falcons UPSET Bills + Bears beat Commanders + Juju dragged BY HIS EAR?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – MNF Reaction: Falcons Upset Bills + Bears Beat Commanders + Juju Dragged by His Ear?!

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Hayden
Date: October 14, 2025
Episode Focus: Monday Night Football doubleheader recap (Falcons-Bills, Bears-Commanders), NFL news and player incidents, stadium talk, and Week 6 defensive standouts.

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Episode Overview

This episode features two former NFL stars, James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Hayden, breaking down the surprises and chaos from Monday Night Football—highlighting a Falcons upset over the Bills and the Bears’ gritty win over the Commanders. Deebo and Joe use their player perspectives to discuss key moments, analyze coaching decisions, and riff on NFL culture, including a viral on-field fight involving Juju Smith-Schuster. The hosts’ banter balances insight with authenticity as they also touch on stadium turf, franchise moves, and Week 6 defensive MVPs.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

Bears Edge Commanders: Game Recap & Analysis

[02:07–13:47]

• Early Defensive Tone by Chicago

  • Bears capitalize on missed opportunities and turnovers by Commanders.
  • Cairo Santos (aka “Moody”) redeems himself, nailing multiple long field goals.
    • "They let him get a try at a 47 yard field goal... and what he do, Joe, he cashed in, passed in, brother, cash dashed in. Good money." – Deebo [02:35]
  • Commanders’ Jaden Daniels throws a red zone pick early.
    • "He threw a pick in the red zone." – Joe [03:06]

• Commanders Self-Destruct

  • Fumble and penalties kill momentum; missed field goal adds to woes.
  • Bears efficient running game led by Swift; clutch first downs and ability to kill clock.
    • "At the end of the game... they knew he had to run the rock and he ran the rock from six minutes all the way down till they could kick the field goal." – Joe [11:48]

• Chicago’s Improvements & Remaining Flaws

  • Positive: No turnovers by Caleb Williams, defense forced three takeaways.
  • "He didn't turn the ball over, which was big. So the defense, they came up big, three turnovers. They capitalize on that. Getting 13 points off those turnovers..." – Deebo [12:35]
  • Negative: Still too many penalties, inconsistent red zone offense.
    • "Need to turn some of them into touchdowns... no self inflicted wounds with penalties." – Joe [13:28]

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Atlanta Falcons Shock the Buffalo Bills

[13:47–32:01]

• Atlanta’s Aggressive Start

  • Overcome early mistakes thanks to flags on Buffalo.
  • Establish the run game with Bijan Robinson dominating (19 carries, 170 yards, 1 TD; 68 receiving).

• Signature Moment

  • Bijan “runs through the DB’s chest, head, neck and everything else.”
    • "The running back takes off 21 yards, run through the DB's chest, head, neck, and everything else." – Deebo [16:52]
    • "Oh, my God. He looked, he looked for him." – Joe [17:00]

• Bills Falter Despite Moments of Promise

  • Josh Allen flashes but turns the ball over; missed opportunities in the red zone.
  • Defining sequence: Atlanta gets a pick that almost results in a TD, stopped just short but maintains momentum.
    • "He got greedy and thought he could make it... just happened to get that second foot. Stepped out of bounds before he was able to lunge across." – Deebo [21:18]
  • Field goal blocks and penalties hamstring both squads.

• Falcons’ Offensive Efficiency

  • Michael Penix Jr. praised for efficiency, ball security, exploiting mismatches.
    • "He was throwing it to Drake London every time because he was like, oh, he's better than who's ever guarding him." – Joe [24:23]
  • Falcons control time of possession, key late drive drains clock and secures win.

• Buffalo’s Defensive & Mental Gaps

  • Inability to stop the run, penalties, and inefficient offense sink comeback hopes.
    • "If they don't do something with that, it is hard road to hold when you cannot stop the run because now you got to put more people up there to try and stop it." – Deebo [33:01]

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NFL News, Player Incidents & Storylines

Mike Tomlin’s Sarcasm on Division Trades

[36:22–39:44]

• Browns trade of Joe Flacco to Bengals draws critical, sarcastic response from Steelers’ Mike Tomlin.
• Hosts interpret Tomlin’s words as classic coach-speak for “bad idea.”
  • "[Tomlin] must be a lot smarter than me or us because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent..." – Mike Tomlin, quoted by Deebo [36:50]
  • "Really, what Mike is saying... He's a dumbass." – Deebo [38:20]
  • "When somebody pops off and say, he must be a lot smarter than me. He's dumber than me." – Joe [38:45]

Aaron Rodgers, Stadium Turf & Franchise Moves

[40:57–48:29]

• Rodgers calls the current Pittsburgh field "borderline unplayable."
  • Hayden and Deebo reminisce about the Heinz Field/Acrisure turf, multiple teams and concerts making field conditions worse as season progresses.
    • "Right now, it ain't even bad, Aaron. You ain't seen it bad yet. Wait til the playoffs for the high school start." – Deebo [41:50]
• Browns reportedly moving out of downtown Cleveland to Brook Park, to build a new dome stadium and entertainment zone.
  • "They're gonna build like a whole hotels and restaurants... the city's just a little upset because they wanted downtown." – Joe [46:03]
  • "I think it's gonna be a dome for sure." – Joe [48:33]

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Viral NFL Drama: Branch vs. Juju

[49:02–54:35]

• Lions’ Brian Branch fined for fighting with Juju Smith-Schuster, including dragging him by the ear.
  • "Your aggressive, non-football play act was entirely unwarranted... clearly violated the standards of conduct and sportsmanship..." – NFL Official Statement, paraphrased by Deebo [49:09]
• Branch apologizes but gives a “sorry, but...” explanation.
  • "I did a little childish thing, but I'm tired of people doing stuff in between plays... it was childish." – Branch, quoted by Deebo [49:52]
• Deebo and Joe dissect “the code", retaliation, and Branch’s apology:
  • "That look, that's so disrespectful. Punch me in the face, bro. That's something my mama do." – Deebo [50:28]
  • "You got three hours to go ahead try and steal only one good time legally in between the lines." – Deebo [52:26]
  • "I just ain't like him stealing off on my man after the game is over." – Joe [52:49]
  • "You can't say I did a childish thing and then go with the excuse, the butt." – Deebo [53:57]

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Retirements, Player Life, and the Toll of the Game

[56:00–61:33]

• Zadarius Smith midseason retirement sparks debate: personal issues or physical cost?
  • "I can't do that.... that's just me personally.... my kids say, yes, I can.... I was like, you know what my daddy said? You start something, you finish." – Deebo [59:22]
• Tales from their own comebacks, injuries, and locker room experiences.

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Defensive Standouts of the Week

[61:52–62:46]

• Joe's Pick: Von Miller (Broncos) – 2 sacks
• Deebo's Pick: Devin White (Vegas) – 9 tackles, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, 1 INT

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Bears’ Rushing Attack:
  "They know you go run, and you still was able to hand it off to him, run it down there, be able to get him in field goal range... If we can't make that, then we didn't deserve to win." – Joe [11:48]
• On Penalties & Execution:
  "No self inflicted wounds with penalties and then just being able to convert in them in those end zone situations." – Joe [13:28]
• On Physical Football:
  "He looked for him. He was about to try and dodge him and he was like, nah, I ain’t... If I try and dodge him, he might tackle me." – Deebo [17:06]
• On Viral Ear Yank:
  "That look, that's so disrespectful. Punch me in the face, bro. That's something my mama do... not my mama, other mamas." – Deebo [50:28]
• On FLacco Trade:
  "When somebody pops off and say, he must be a lot smarter than me, he's dumber than me." – Joe [38:45]

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Podcast Flow & Tone

The chemistry is pure locker room energy: back-and-forth, playful trash talk (“Is it y’ all or is it we?” [36:15]), technical game analysis, and unfiltered honesty. Listeners get:

• A granular look at key plays, often with timestamps and player breakdowns.
• Authentic, often funny critique of coaching, officiating, and NFL culture.
• Tangents into franchise business, player life, and unwritten rules.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:07] – Bears-Commanders game begins
• [09:43] – Commanders late-game collapse
• [13:47] – Falcons-Bills discussion begins
• [16:52] – Bijan Robinson’s big run and tone setting
• [21:18] – Atlanta’s near pick-six before halftime
• [36:50] – Mike Tomlin on the Flacco trade
• [40:57] – Rodgers’ turf complaints & discussion
• [46:02] – Browns' stadium move
• [49:09] – Branch vs. Juju incident
• [61:52] – Week 6 defensive standouts

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode offers a candid, insightful breakdown of two major NFL games, with special attention paid to momentum swings, coaching gaffes, and player mentality. Deebo and Joe switch back and forth from field-level specifics to big-picture NFL talk, never shying away from honesty or humor—especially when it comes to on-field respect, penalties, and what happens when “the code” is broken.

If you want to understand how former NFL stars read a chaotic primetime doubleheader, keep up with locker room culture, or just need a laugh at some real “get off my lawn” football storytelling, this is a must-listen.

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Don’t forget to like and subscribe—Deebo and Joe promise more takes, more stories, and more unapologetic football realness in their next episode!

Transcript

[James Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing solid, brother. Debo, Another good day to be on this thing. Talking that good football. How we do.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question, baby. Let's just go ahead and jump straight into it. So the Bears went on ahead and beat the commanders by 1.25 to 24. Dude, Chicago, I was, I ain't gonna lie, I was a little, I was a little impressed, a little not impressed, but you know here and there. But Chicago came out on the first drive, dude, and they went and said, you know what, we went and picked up Moody for a reason. We go put him to use and they put him out there, bro. They let him get a try at a 47 yard field goal after he done got leg go for missing field goals and all that. And what he do, Joe, he cashed in, passed in, brother, cash dashed in. Good money. Good money. So Washington come back out there. I'm thinking they gonna answer. They start moving the ball, bro. They going down the field, they get to like the 20, 21 yard line, and your boy, Jaden Daniels, what happened? I don't know what happened.

[Joe Hayden]

This is what you don't need, and this is how you lose games at home. He threw a pick in the red zone.

[James Debo Harrison]

Red zone, the worst place that you want to throw it, dude, it makes absolutely. That kills you. That hurts you, dude. Chicago comes back out and they about to capitalize with another. What was it? 40, 48 yard field goal. Moody drop down on it again. Go ahead, give it to him. They get three points off the turnover, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's up six nothing, bruh. Six nothing. I'm like, ah, still early. You know, maybe. Maybe Washington, they go. They go get their stuff together, you know, dude, next possession, dude fumbles the rock and Chicago recovers it. I'm like, okay, maybe they not gonna get it together.

[Joe Hayden]

No, maybe it's a bad day, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Chicago comes in 35 yards. Dude, of the 35 yards on the first, what was it? Their first touchdown. It was only 35 yards. They had to go 13 to 7. I mean, 130 at that point. Now they done. They didn't turn the ball over twice and then gave up a total of 10 yards on the turnovers. Like that right there is not winning football, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's how you're gonna lose games at home, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question. And then Washington comes out and actually, I think Chicago ended up helping them. I think they got a penalty on the third down. That was an incompletion and it was a face mask that helped them. And they went on ahead and scored the touchdown. And I was close again. It's 13:7, man. We got action going.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. We got a game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, yeah. And then Chicago, they do some goofy stuff. They go for it.

[Joe Hayden]

They went for it on fourth down.

[James Debo Harrison]

But you passed the ball, dude. Why? Why, why would you. How would you pass the Rock, bro? Didn't. Didn't they. Didn't they have somebody that was doing pretty well running that ball, that man, right then and there? Yeah, I think he. On that same drive, he had a. A 10 and a 20. I think on. On that same drive, just two. Why wouldn't I just give him the rock and go ahead, let him dust up this one real quick. That. That didn't make no Sense to me right there. Washington the ball back and they got kinda lucky. Unlucky that they only. Washington only scored a field goal. Oh, man. Oh, they missed that.

[Joe Hayden]

They missed that one.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's the one. They missed the upright. That's the one that he did.

[Joe Hayden]

That was loud as hell. It hit that uprights.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Left up right. Yeah. Halftime. 17, 17, 13. It could have been worse, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Has a 13 7.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. 13 7. I'm sorry. Daniels come back out, he gets an intentional grounding that kind of backs him up. But they ended up settling for a field goal. So it's 10, 13 now by that time, Chicago gets back out there and it's the third quarter. What is it? I think they only went like six plays and they ended up scoring a touchdown. That's what it was. They scored a touchdown, but they got a penalty on it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Illegal formation. That's what it was, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

And they ended up getting. Then they ended up getting the field goal on that job. That was.

[James Debo Harrison]

At least you. At least you got something, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, for sure, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, you got to get something. Washington, they come out, they kind of return the favor, you know what I'm saying? They go for it. On fourth down, they get. They get 13 yards and then they actually get up because McDaniels throws. What was it, McCaffrey? 13, 16 now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes. So that's when Jaden Daniels, they started looking better. They took the lead.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, yeah. I don't know if I would have. Well, the weather was bad, so maybe I would have did the same thing, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Then the Bears get the ball back. Yeah, this one is looked. Started looking a little shaky, though, Debo. On that third, it was looking good, good, good. And then that third and one, he bobbled the snap, and they were looking like they could have easily got that first down. He gave bobbled it. So they lost yards, went for the field goal, and they blocked the joint.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, it's been so many block field goals and. And extra points and stuff, dude, like what. What are they? I don't know what's going on. Are you allowed to jump over? Did they change the rules on that or something?

[Joe Hayden]

You can jump, you can jump over, but you can't leverage yourself, you know, you can't push off nobody. I think these dudes.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't seen nobody do. Yeah, these dudes tall.

[Joe Hayden]

These dudes tall, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Washington come out, they go six plays, dude. 30, 63 yards. Teddy. 24, 16. Thinking the gates about the burst open, bruh. I'm like maybe Washington and got themselves together, you know. And that is not the case.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Replays Chicago 61 yards. Touchdown. Who did that right there?

[Joe Hayden]

My man Swift, brother. He was balling like catching the ball out of the backfield, you know.

[James Debo Harrison]

Little short pass. He took 55, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Took it to the crib, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

They went for two, but they missed that two, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

So, I mean, so they down.

[Joe Hayden]

They're down. So right now, bears down 2:20.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. They end up trading punts, I think through that. And then I believe Washington ended up.

[Joe Hayden]

This is when the.

[James Debo Harrison]

The turning the rock over.

[Joe Hayden]

They fumbled the ball on the exchange. Jaden Daniels, slippery ball. You trying to hand it off. He kind of just threw it to him a little bit and buddy missed it and they didn't even throw it to him.

[James Debo Harrison]

He never got a hold of the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

But that's what I'm.

[James Debo Harrison]

The whole time and just. He just. I don't know what he was.

[Joe Hayden]

He could.

[James Debo Harrison]

At some point I would have panicked and just grabbed it.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. He could just. He was trying to grab it and hand it off at the same time and it didn't even touch my man. It was nowhere near his bread basket. But he needed to get the rock. So that joint. Bears. Bears fell on that. So that. That's costly.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question. Chicago get the ball. I think it was like almost six minutes left. They end up knowing that they're going to run the rock. They hand the rock to I think Swift like five times. He get almost 35 yards, dude. Knowing that it's a running situation and you let these boys basically run the clock out until they decided to kick a 38 yard game with her. With my dude Moody, who came through and showed him why he still should.

[Joe Hayden]

Be in the league, dude, 1,000%.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, it's bro. Washington, yo, they. They can't. They can't do what they did there. The turnovers, the biggest thing, the turnovers killed them. Like, like you gotta. You gotta be able to at least have a little bit more ball security than that. Like the penalties, y', all, y'. All, they had too many, you know, self inflicted wounds, you know, hurting themselves, you know, it wasn't anything that, you know, was done to him. I feel like him not having. What's the receiver. He didn't have, man. Damn, McLaren.

[Joe Hayden]

Scary. Scary. Terry.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think that, that hurting. Not being able to have that. That deep threat to be able to stretch the field. I think that hurting right there. And the Offense themselves just, they need to get more of a consistent run game, dude, you know, But Chicago, they went on out there, bro, jumped on their neck. They did that. They started off real fast, 13 up swift bruh, out of control.

[Joe Hayden]

He was balling, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

14 for 108 and he had 67 rushing Tutty.

[Joe Hayden]

And the biggest thing for me too was at the end of the game when they knew he had to run the rock and he ran the rock from six minutes all the way down till they could kick the, kick the field goal. When the clock ran out like that part of the game, being able to know you have to run the ball. We're trying to milk this clock. We need to get down and this field goal can win the game. And them knowing he was going to run and him still running, it was my thing was like, that's, that's going to help out Caleb Williams so much taking off pressure, not feeling like you got to do everything, you know, they know you going to run and you still was able to hand it off to him, run it down there, be able to get him in field goal range, got to the 17 yard line. If we can't make that, then we didn't deserve to win. So I was happy for Swift to be able to go out there and then being able to not put all the pressure on Caleb, it's easy.

[James Debo Harrison]

He didn't, he didn't turn the ball over, which was big. So the defense, they came up big, three turnovers. They capitalize on that. Getting 13 points off those turnovers, you know, and Moody, man, if you don't get, if you don't get player, player, special teams player of the week, I don't know, I don't know who deserve it. Like I said, Caleb, he was, you know, he was efficient, you know, 250 yards or so, 17, 29, no turnovers. That's, you know, that's a big thing. That's, that's a real big. But they still need to improve. They had nine penalties and you know, the defense need to be able to go out there and like, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Choke, choke they ass out, put your.

[James Debo Harrison]

Foot on their neck, you know, when it's time and you know, keep the pressure on them. I mean literally and figuratively, like, you know, more consistent pressure. And just when you have the opportunity and you're up there, you gotta, you gotta put them out they misery, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure. And I think some red zone deficiency, you know, like you said, kept being out there, they kept getting those field goals. We need to turn Some of them into touchdowns. Like, it's all good. Like, no, no self inflicted wounds with penalties and then just being able to convert in them in those end zone situations. Like being able to get some touchdowns out of that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. The next one we had, what was it? Falcons. Listen, dude, this is the crazy thing. So I'm sitting there, bro, and I'm watching these games, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

So I'm watching both games and I don't know why y' all keep doing this, bro. Like a seven and an eight game and I'm. I'm watching both games. I ain't even lied to you, bro. At one point I thought. Bro, at one point I thought.

[Joe Hayden]

I thought.

[James Debo Harrison]

I thought the Bears was playing the Falcons, Buffalo was playing the Commanders, man, the white jerseys. And man, I'm. Dude, I was. I was. I was. I was up there getting confused, man. It's like.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, what?

[James Debo Harrison]

No, no, no, no. They ain't playing them. I'm like. Especially like when it's on at the same time and you doing this, you like, brother, trying to. You trying to get the split, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes. You trying to get a lot going on. It's a lot of football going on and you want to be engaged too, so. I feel you. It's a lot of moving parts, man. Like trying to watch two games at one time. That shit was crazy yesterday. And why did they start at 7, 10 and 8? Like they're on at the same exact time. It's like first quarter in one and like going about to be halftime in the other one.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, just. It. It actually. So I write things down and I caught myself writing something down on the Buffalo side. That. That on the one game that should have been on the other game. And I did it for like half a pace. I'm like, oh, my God, dude. Like, oh, my God, what am I.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, it is Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

What am I doing, man?

[Joe Hayden]

Look, we got it, we got it.

[James Debo Harrison]

We gotta figure this out for sure, man. Like, come on, give us like, do. Do like a do. Like if you go do that, like do. Do a six and a nine or something. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, I mean, it's you being. I mean, y' all being a little greedy right now. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

They get into the bag, Debo. They're not worried about what the hell we talking about. They get into the bag.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, hey, no questions. Went out there and beat up. Literally, dude, beat up on the Bills, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Unexpected.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, yes.

[Joe Hayden]

For on my side, I'mma just tell you how I feel. I did not expect this in any stretch of the imagination.

[James Debo Harrison]

Atlanta came out the first play, dude. And they fumbled the rock and got lucky. Buffalo recovered it, but the defense was offsize. Dude.

[Joe Hayden]

It could have started so much differently.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

My man came out, kicked it, he stripped that ball good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

And they recovered it cleanly. And it was like lined up in the neutral zone. I was like, oh, my God.

[James Debo Harrison]

That upsets me so bad with something like that happening. Especially when you have a game turnaround play like that and all of a sudden something that don't even really matter.

[Joe Hayden]

That had nothing to do with nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Was in the neutral zone.

[Joe Hayden]

That had nothing to do with nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

We lose this ball and the running back takes off 21 yards, run through the DB's chest, head, neck, and everything else.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my God. He looked, he looked for him.

[James Debo Harrison]

He looked for him. Hey, he was, he was about to try and like, like, like dodging. And he was like, nah, I ain't gonna be with him. If I try and dodge him, he might tackle me.

[Joe Hayden]

He might tackle me. I want right, right into him. Boom. I said, oh, my God.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, that's football, man. That's type of football I like. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

I knew you love that because I was like, I know, I wrote it down. I said, why did he just change his. He could have scored easily with like.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, he couldn't. He would have took a chance of trying to get away and got dragged down, tackled and not made goal lines. So the best way to go is not try and avoid him, just go straight. He would have had to take another three, four yards like this instead of just, look, it's a right doing. You already got a full head of steam. He coming like sideways anyway. Ryan Thorne, he did. Dude, that's football versus you.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm here for that. I'm here for all of that too. That was. I was like, oh, yeah, he set the tone. He set the tone. Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Then Josh Allen come back out there. First play, 45. Boom. And he scrambled. On another play, though, in 19. 19 yard touchdown to Allen, I'll be tied 7 7.

[Joe Hayden]

But it looked like a barn burner, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm like, is this going to be one of those games where we get. We get 40 to 43? I'm like, I hate, I hate.

[Joe Hayden]

I know you hate those.

[James Debo Harrison]

I hate those games. So a possession later, Atlanta, they get a stop on third and three, but it's a defensive penalty which gives them a first down. Yep. They end up scoring. Now it's seven to 14. They got a nice little league going now. It ain't nice. It's one touchdown. But it's better than what I thought they was gonna be able to do.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, for sure. It's. Man, two, Two drives, two tuddies. I'm Atlanta. I'm geeked. I'm. You know what I'm saying? I'm. I'm feeling.

[James Debo Harrison]

We.

[Joe Hayden]

We do. We're doing something right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Atlanta came back out there. When Buffalo went out, they went on ahead, sacked Josh Allen. That next possession, on second down, third down, and third.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[James Debo Harrison]

And third down, and they ended up having to punt. Like defense, they did what they had to do. Right there.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, that's.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's no question about it. But Atlanta came back out and I'm like, oh, man. They get sacked on the first play, but what. What happened? It's a penalty again. Offsides on Buffalo. And then that boy Bijon, the. The next play takes off on for 81. How did you not get him tackled on the sideline like that? Bite scratch, something like.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, put like it. When you try to push. Even if you push him like he's tiptoeing up the sideline out of your arms. I don't know how he didn't go down, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know how he didn't go down or go out of bounds. I know how he didn't go down. He didn't get enough of him.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, and Bijan nice, though.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Bijan nice though.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. And he could run it and catch it too. Yeah, definitely. Atlanta's next possession, they go for it on, I believe it's fourth down and they pass the Rock. Why are you passing the Rock? And you have Bijan sitting right there and you're going against the 30th ranked run defense in the NFL and we're going to go and pass the Rock for what?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. You know, that's just bad. That's not a bad. That's a bad play called Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't. I think. I think these, these, these coaches and they. They start trying to out think and outsmart how smart the coordinator go. Do you know what I'm saying? Like. Like, I don't know. I don't know. Like, dude, this is what you're doing. They know what you like. Make them, like, make them stop it.

[Joe Hayden]

Make them stop you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Then we get a little bit of drama. First play, Josh Allen does something that's not like Josh Allen. He throws a pick.

[Joe Hayden]

Mm.

[James Debo Harrison]

Those steps in front of him, bruh. And here comes Atlanta. He got greedy. He got greedy and thought he could make it. He got greedy and thought he could make it. Saw wide open and just happened to get that second foot. Stepped out of bounds before he was able to lunge across. Dude, that would have crushed.

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[James Debo Harrison]

That would have been 28 to 7.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not mad at him, though. I'm not mad.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, I'm not either. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

He was.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I'm doing the same thing you.

[Joe Hayden]

I know you trying to get there.

[James Debo Harrison]

He was trying to get in there. If he was a little faster, he would. He would have stroked off on him.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, I know, I know, I know. He just gotta. He gotta get a little bit more lunge. But I ain't gonna lie. I wasn't mad at the effort. And if that was. If he would have scored that teddy, it would have been ugly. Ugly.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, dude, it would have been super ugly.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

In the end of the half, bro, it would already 28 7.

[Joe Hayden]

28 to 7.

[James Debo Harrison]

Not to mention your boy B. John. He got 12 for 138, a touchdown and 14 receiver like. Yeah, what? Spink Sphinx. How you say his name? The quarterback for Atlanta. How you say his name, bro? Pinx Pinks.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Michael Pennix Jr. Michael Pennix Jr. Dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

He was 12, 19, 171 in the tutty.

[Joe Hayden]

He was dropping. He was. You know what? He was throwing that thing. This is what I would have do if I. What I don't understand with quarterbacks is if you have a receiver that's better than the corner that's guarding him, I'm going to throw it to him every time. He was throwing it to Drake London every time because he was like, oh, he's better than who's ever guarding him. Right here he's going to be open, so I'm going to throw it there.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't think they, they thought Drake London had it like that. That's what it is, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you.

[James Debo Harrison]

They were up, you know, balling in the first half and, and Buffalo was down like What? Josh was 5 or 12, 98 yards and one of those plays was 45 yards. So really he got 40, what, 40, 53 yards on the other four, four plays or something.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what Buffalo was doing too though? Where, where's James Cook?

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, he was only 7 to 30.

[Joe Hayden]

In the first half, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't, it wasn't too much James Cook.

[James Debo Harrison]

And hey, what happened in the third quarter though? They come out and they go cooking Allen like all the way down the field, bro. 73 touchdown.

[Joe Hayden]

Halftime adjustments.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, halftime. They have time and right at the game. Adjustments is good. They just came out like. I don't know, maybe something happens later on throughout. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I don't. They can't get uncharacteristic.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. And then, you know, I believe even the defense, the next possession against Atlanta, they sacked dude on the first down for 13 yards. Putting them behind the sticks. They couldn't, they couldn't catch back up. Had to punt the Rock.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Buffalo then go for it on 4th and 2 and don't get it with.

[Joe Hayden]

The pass, with the, then the. Josh Allen with the underhand flip jump that came up a little short.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, he could have, he could have probably.

[Joe Hayden]

He could have just gave. He kind of could have got it to him.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think he was scared dude was. Was up on him and he ain't want to look back to see, so he just. He just tried to do the quick. Yeah. To quick get it out to him. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

That ain't work.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, that ain't work at all. And then Atlanta, they get down there, they trying to capitalize, but again, another field goal block, bro. Like, these dudes, what was raining there too. I can understand that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

But they did get a new ball in, though. I don't know. Little here, a little there.

[Joe Hayden]

The defense did good. They blocked the field goal.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I give it to him. I don't know why I'd be wanting. Because you know how hard it is to block the field over. Like, it's. It's extremely hard to block a field go, bro. I know, like, to get that push and, and. And get the hands up and make sure, like. And hopefully the, you know, the dude kicks the ball is not as, you know, his trajectory is not as high as it, you know, it may need to be like. Like, that's hard. Anyway, they end up trading. I believe it was 2, 3, and outs. Atlanta again with 6 minutes, 43 seconds, though. They go 14 plays, 68 yards, they hold it for 5 minutes, and they score a field goal. Putting them up 10. Like that. That hurt him. Yeah, that hurt them. And even, you know, later that later, that drive, Josh Allen, he ends up.

[Joe Hayden]

Throwing that kind of. That kind of finished him. Yes, because they were trying to drive down there, get down. He was trying to make sure they tried to score like he wanted to score. Then they would have the onside kick.

[James Debo Harrison]

On side kick, and then see where they can go.

[Joe Hayden]

See where they can go from there. So it was damn near over once they got that last. That last 24, 14.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. When they took up that five minutes, like, it's over with. Like, you need 10 points. Like you need a. You need to score, and then you still got to get an onside kick. Has anybody recovered an onside kick this year?

[Joe Hayden]

Not that I know of.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't think so, man. Like, you gotta say, I'm about to kick it on side, and then you gotta go, and you don't even get to run and start no more getting an onside kick, man, you gotta. You gotta do something. You gotta do something crazy to get onside kick, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, onside kicks, it was already hard to do. You got. You got to get the perfect bounce. You gotta hopefully get that thing where it bounces over the dude that's back there, the second dude's head. So it's a lot of, a lot of things. And now you can't take off like you said you like basically. Yeah. They making it too hard to get the onside kicks.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, Atlanta, Atlanta balled out though. Dude, they started early. Before you knew it, it was already, you know, 21 to seven halftime. Like they just dominated in the run game. It was, I mean Buffalo's defense, I mean they, I didn't expect them to do that well. And in the run game, you know, even though Buffalo's defense, like I said, is ranked 30th, but Dijon finished 19th, 170 rushing in the tutty and he still had 68 receiving, bro. Like that's your boy. London, he hit him 10 for 158.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes. And damn near two tuddies. He only got one right. But like Atlanta road, it kind of shocked me because I'm always expecting Buffalo with Josh Allen and I don't know that the defense isn't doing too well, but with Josh Allen, I'm always expecting them to be able to score points, be able to keep it close. I don't really wasn't expecting too much from Atlanta. I haven't really seen too much to be.

[James Debo Harrison]

You think Buffalo might have been overlooking them?

[Joe Hayden]

Could have been. But at the same time, I mean. Yeah, that's not. I'm not going to take away from what they did on the field. Atlanta had to do those things. They had to go ball, they had to go make those plays. Pennix wasn't just throwing routes on air. People were out there and they were making the catches, they were making the plays. Bijan was a man. I think he was just showing people really may not be able to watch his games, but now you can really see how good he actually is. And 19 for 170, that's special, you know what I'm saying? Catching the ball out of the backfield, being able to turn it up, that's special. Yeah, so they were. And then Terrell, like a couple of their DB. The cornerback, C.J. t.J. Terrell. Terrell, he's a baller and I seen him making a couple of plays on those third down stops. So I mean it was just a good overall effort from them. But I always, I just expected a little bit more from. From Buffalo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I think, I think Panics did a good job. He was almost 250 or maybe a little over 250 yards. Big thing though. He had no turnovers like that's the big thing. Even though it was a couple balls that was, you know, that was in hands that they, they, they could have got a, got a hold of and, and took the other way. But you know, if it was a fifth, we all be drunk too. But no harm, no foul, you know what I'm saying? I think they need big thing. They need to improve, you know, on their, on their second half, sustain the momentum from the first half. Bro, that would have been, like I said, you put, put your foot on they throw and choke them out. Like choke them out. Try not to get your kick block too. But that, that's, that's, that's a given. But limit the big plays. You know, Allen got some big chunk plays here and there that allowed them to get down the field and be in position to score or scoring opportunities. So I think, I think that's what they, they really need to, to focus on.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it was a lot too with the Buffalo. With the Buffalo, you can't like end of the day, no matter how they, you can't lose a turnover battle like that. You know what I'm saying? You can't josh out even with those plays with the handing the ball off with the like the third downs, the short, the short plays, the fourth and twos, the not converting on those, that's. That, that's them. That's a turnover, you know what I'm saying? On the third and one, they're trying to run the jet sweep, fumbling the handoffs and having a punt on that when you could really sustain the drive. Like those are drive killers. And, and then when you turn the ball over with picks, that's just not winning football. And then with them, you just keep. That's how the Falcons are playing well, running the ball well, converting. Bijan being able to control the clock, you not being able to have that many possessions. And if you're wasting them on turnovers, you're not going to get the ball that many times to give you a chance to win the game. So I think it was tough game for the Bills because you can't lose a turnover battle. And then at the same time, Atlanta, they're not turning it over, they're toting it, they're converting. You know what I'm saying? They're scoring. So I mean, it was a good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, it was good suppression pressure on Alan now for sure, don't get it twisted either just straight rushing or, or they were, you know, blitzing coming with five like they were, you know, they were doing. They Were doing what they needed to do. I understand that, you know, Josh was missing, you know, a receiver to a few weapons, but, you know, that's part of the game. You got to be able to, you know, go down there and, and figure it out and figure out what you need to do to get some. Get some quality that's close to what, you know, what that person was or at least get the. Get somewhere close to the abilities to, you know, still do the things that they could do to some, you know, to some extent. Yeah. They need to sustain drives. It was, you know, too many penalties. I think they had eight penalties or something like that. They have to find a way to improve their run defense. Dude, if they don't do something with that, it is hard road to hold when you cannot stop the run because now you got to put more people up there to try and stop it. And now the play action is going to destroy you. They lucky them boys was sitting in the gun because the play action is real fast. Then. Yeah, you get a team that's running that rock on you and they get, they coming from under the quarterback and they getting that good play action where you sitting there. You ain't you looking at a blind hand because you lost vision of the ball. You know I'm saying in between the tackles, you know what I'm saying, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

I know exactly what you talking about. You start getting real, real. Oh, where, where's the ball? I don't know. Bum dump.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Now you see that the lineman ain't coming at you, so now you just start trying to dig out of there for your life, hoping you going in the right direction. Well, you're going in the right direction of your coverage, but you don't know if that person is gonna be there. You know for sure. You could have maybe affected something that was closer. Yeah, the. Yeah, I don't, I don't know, man. I think, I think Buffalo just, just looks very beautiful now to me, dude. I feel like, I feel like we might, you know, I feel like we might be up there in the top two or three in the AF in the, in the AFC period. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how I feel.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, I feel the same way you feel with that like defense looking good, getting better. Offense, he's starting to get all the weapons. I mean, we got Washington, we got DK coming into his own. We got the real running game now with Warren. Is it a two headed monster in Gainwell too? With Warren and Gainwell just both Toting the rock like that. I don't know. I'm just asking you. Is that what you said? I mean, I'm not. Stillers look good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, man. You know, I don't want to get started too early. I'm just. I'm just gonna focus on what we got to get to first. And that's just the north, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, and does that. Do y' all play. Do we play the Bengals this week?

[James Debo Harrison]

Is it y' all or is it we?

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, listen, I'm asking you, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

We. Okay. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm hoping it's.

[James Debo Harrison]

We play the band. I'm gonna give you the Wii since you def.

[Joe Hayden]

Today we was in the locker room. We was in the locker room together.

[James Debo Harrison]

We, we, we, we. So we played the Bengals on Thursday. Speaking of playing the Bengals, Mike T. Oakland questioned the Browns decision making for their general manager Andrew Barry on trading Flacco to the Bengals. Listen to this.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me. Andrew Barry must be a lot smarter than me or us because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area. But that's just my personal feelings.

[James Debo Harrison]

What's. What you. What you. What you. What you take from that, brother?

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, bro, I love Coach T. I love Coach T because you know what I take from it? I'm like, he said, we must be a lot smarter than us. He's basically, at the end of the day, he wanted to play Browning over Flacco. I would say, if I was Coach T, and if he is the starting quarterback for your team, why would you help a division opponent in any type of way that we see as Lincoln Oil, you know what I'm saying? Like, trade him somewhere, but don't trade him there because now we got a plan. We got to go against him.

[James Debo Harrison]

He had Browning. I ain't trailing him nowhere. That's gonna be close to my division. If I can't trade him away, he gonna sit there. I might even move him to three. If that's how bad you feel about it. I am not gonna give him to somebody that I gotta play again and have an opportunity to beat me with the guy that I said, you getting traded over here because you can't do nothing for us. Maybe you could do something over there, but I really don't think you could do nothing over there. That's why I traded you to my in division opponent. Really? What Mike is saying, I Don't see it. I don't understand it. He's smarter than me. Really, what he's saying is. I don't see it. I don't understand. He's a dumbass. That's what he wanted to say, what he wanted to say. But dang, what he said, I could say. That's what he wanted to say. I'm just interpreting what I felt was said in between. That's the words that weren't said.

[Joe Hayden]

Because when. When somebody said. When somebody pops off and say, he must be a lot smarter than me. He's dumber than me. Like, I'm.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, hey, hey. Your son. Your son. Hey. Oh, I guess you. I guess you don't have more experience than me. You. You know more than I do.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, I guess you know more than Pops, don't you?

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh.

[Joe Hayden]

So, like, I know he's being cyber sarcastic with it, but at the same time, going against what you call it.

[James Debo Harrison]

What you call it?

[Joe Hayden]

What, sarcastic?

[James Debo Harrison]

No, what was the word before that?

[Joe Hayden]

When I say.

[James Debo Harrison]

I thought you said cyber, I'm like, what that mean?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

Cyber sarcastic. I'm like, what's that one?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no. Sarcastic. Because now I think Coach T is making. I think Coach T is saying something for real, though, bro. You know what he's saying? He don't believe. Like, you're not supposed to do that. Like, if and especially he started for us, he started for the Browns. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, hey, you know what? That might make sense. Why he ain't released me early in the season when I was asking for it my last year there?

[Joe Hayden]

No, bro. No, he's not. No, no, no, no. What's, he gonna have you go there and try to bust up the quarterback for this? No. You're gonna sit right here, be mad.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm not.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not gonna go over there.

[James Debo Harrison]

You ain't going nowhere.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no. Sit right here for a minute.

[James Debo Harrison]

I almost got a chance, though. If they had won that playoff game, we would have seen them in New England, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my. See, I know.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie to you. I'd have been forming at the mouth like a rabid dog got rabies. I'd have been like Cujo.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's why. And that's why Coach T Know not to do it. Because you look at you look at that. They don't want none of that smoke Debo. That additional bullet. Bullet bulletin board material.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, hey, no, no, no question, man. Aaron Rodgers has something to say about the ACRO field, man. He said it is borderline unplayable, bro. What you think of extra field, dude? Well, I think it was the actual. When you played, or was it Heinz field?

[Joe Hayden]

It was Heinz, yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

What do you think of the field, period? It's still cared for by the same crew. I'm assuming they don't change crews.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, it definitely wasn't the worst, but it definitely wasn't the best. I like that it was grass at least, but I think during the beginning of the season, it'll be better than at the end of the season. Maybe other events and all the stuff that they got pit playing on it and everybody that uses the field, it kind of gets a little wore down. But at the beginning of the season, wasn't mad at all. But when you play there towards the end, you could tell there's been a lot of wear and tear. So they can definitely do. The main thing is keeping that feel right. They could do more of trying to keep people off of it, you know what I'm saying? As much as possible. But if not, I mean, just maintenance in it. I don't know how they could possibly do. But the Browns feel. I know that joint was maintenance. This one, I would say this. I, I During the sports season.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm with you. It's multiple use. It's multiple uses for it. Like, I believe. I don't even know if it's the time, but I think sometimes they may even have, like, concerts in there or something or some type of show in there. But the big thing is, like, you got got. You got two different teams playing on the surface, and right now, it ain't even bad, Aaron. You ain't seen it bad yet. Wait till the playoffs for the high school start. And the high school teams are playing in there, and they may or may not be able to get the field back. Right? Like, grass don't just grow overnight. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Real natural grass.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, they don't. It don't just grow overnight. And to spend the money. Spend the money to reside it. You still need a few days for it to, you know, take.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

When we played, and I think it was 2007, it was raining. Rain and raining. And I think Pitt had played before that or something. And so they tried to do a swap over of the field, and they put the new turf over the old turf because I guess it was, like, so wet, dude. And. And it just. The ball, like, it's plays where you can see.

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[James Debo Harrison]

Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[James Debo Harrison]

We're playing Miami, I think PZ. I just went there in 2007 and my foot slides down into the dirt like up to like over the top of my ankle. Dude. It's like quarter way up my shin.

[Joe Hayden]

See, that's, that's not okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, dude, like he ain't there. He ain't. He ain't seen nothing yet. What they doing now is, you know, the sand, dirt, all that, they just filling in the divots, sprinkling it down with some water and throw some, throw some grass seed. But you know, it's only been what, a week in between the last game that was on there, maybe two at the most. It needs more time than that. And then before that, I think Pitt was on it every weekend for two weeks straight. I think they may actually use it on Friday and Saturday when they play Saturdays.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. So yeah, that's, that's, that's not going, that's not going to keep you. Like you said, it's natural grass. It takes more than A day to grow back. And if you got other people using it and breaking it down like you say, I didn't know high school games on it. I just knew it was pit and probably like some concerts and stuff. But the more that you use that feel.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. And the playoffs, dude, they have, they have a lot of games there, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Yeah. That's gonna break it up. That's gonna have. No, the main. You got to keep the main thing. The main thing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, your boy Haslam. Cleveland, they got, they got a new deal going. Brook Park. They moving to Brook Park?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, they are.

[James Debo Harrison]

You like it over there? Is it a good area? What's going down? What's better? Which one would you like to or what you prefer?

[Joe Hayden]

The Browns fans probably want it downtown in the city. In Cleveland, like around downtown where the basketball stadium is and where the Indians. I mean, where the Guardian Stadium is. Everybody likes downtown. Cause that's where it's always been. I know the Haslam. They're going to make it look amazing. They're going to build it in Brook Park. They're going to build like a whole hotels and restaurants and all of this stuff. It's going to look.

[James Debo Harrison]

Where is Brook park in comparison to downtown?

[Joe Hayden]

It's probably 20 minutes away. It's like right by the airport.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, it ain't that far.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no, it's not far at all. It's 20 minutes away from where it's at right now. Literally 20 minutes down the street. And they gonna make a whole. They're gonna make it look amazing. I think the city's just a little upset because they wanted downtown. They want to keep Cleveland and everything, like, kind of down there. I know for one thing, whatever the Hasms are going to do, they're going to make it look beautiful and they're going to be able to make all of the money from the stuff like the parking and all that. They're not being able to get that when they have the stadium downtown right now. That's what. When they come build their stuff, I think they gonna be able to make a whole lot of money and it's going to be beautiful for Cleveland. There's nothing really down there. So I, I, I'm. I think it's going to make Cleveland.

[James Debo Harrison]

If it ain't nothing down there, where, where you go go to. You know, where the fans go to when they don't.

[Joe Hayden]

They building it. I'm telling you, he building the whole. It's, it's a stadium with a whole little city. Oh, the Brown. Yeah, the Hasams are going to, they're not doing it like, baby, they about to spend some dough and this joint's going to look crazy. But it's just moving it from downtown to another location. That's what Cleveland's worried about. I know it's going to look vicious. So when they go and it's probably going to have a dome. So then they'll be able to get like if the Super Bowl. You can't host the super bowl if you have a dome. You know what I'm saying? So certain things they could do concert venues.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's going to be a dome.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's going to be a dome too. Yeah, it's a dome now they get.

[James Debo Harrison]

A Super bowl now you got to worry about the weather stopping them.

[Joe Hayden]

Ain't got to worry about none of that.

[James Debo Harrison]

We ever got a Super bowl in Pittsburgh?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't think so. I don't think. Because I don't. I think you gotta have a dome or something like that, brother.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, we ain't gonna never have one in Pittsburgh. They ain't about to get no dome, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

They ain't going like that.

[James Debo Harrison]

They never about to get no dome, man.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why Cleveland, man, ain't they could, I mean Cleveland ain't think we was ever gonna get no dome.

[James Debo Harrison]

So it's a dome or it's not a dome? You said you think it's a dome. You don't know if it's a dome.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's a dome for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

You think it's a dong for sure. How is that not a what? Hey, I'm a, I'm a hundred percent right all the time. Most of the time. See, that's what you said to me.

[Joe Hayden]

I know. I, I just, I, I, I just said some Debo. I just.

[James Debo Harrison]

Speaking of man, I did, I did.

[Joe Hayden]

You caught me on the good too.

[James Debo Harrison]

Firing off on juju.

[Joe Hayden]

I really just said that.

[James Debo Harrison]

What you say?

[Joe Hayden]

No, my bad.

[James Debo Harrison]

Go ahead, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

I said I really just said some.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure. So the NFL this suspended Branch for firing off on juju. It's gonna cost him 766 24. Branch is planning to appeal it, but the vice president of football operations, John Runyon, said on the penalty your aggressive non football play act was entirely unwarranted, posted a risk of injury and clearly violated the standards of conduct and sportsmanship expected of NFL players. Your conduct reflected poorly on the NFL and has no place in our game. Brent said I did a little childish thing, but I'm tired of people Doing stuff in between plays and refs don't catch it. They trying to bully me out there, and I. I shouldn't have did it. It was childish. Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Go ahead, pop off, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Look at this picture, Joe. Can you please put the picture up? Look at this picture, Joe. You see that picture, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

I want you to look at Juju's left ear.

[Joe Hayden]

That's.

[James Debo Harrison]

Man is dragging him around by his ear.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's. Bro, That's.

[James Debo Harrison]

That look. That's so disrespectful. Punch me in the face, bro. That's something my mama do. Well, not my mama. Other mamas do. My mama go beat the dog out. Okay, you go driving. You see his fate. He getting drugged by the ear. Juju, what's going on, bruh? You can't get. You can't have this on National. Everything. They see you get drugged by your ear, which you should have did instead of after he hit you and you did the fake fallback. You should have just fired back right then and there. What. What's your. What's your take on it? What do you think? Or how would you have responded? I would have got down here with your ear getting grabbed. You know, you got some big ears too, bro. He might mess around and rip that off.

[Joe Hayden]

See, Debo? There you go. Shut your ass up. Debo. Come on. My ears, man. But I. So look, this is. This. This was popping Debo. I would have definitely had to fire back off on Branch if he popped me right in my head after the game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Natural reaction would have been boom, boom.

[Joe Hayden]

That's just natural reaction. Because at the same time, we the same. You coming over here like, boom. And then. But this is my part. I think Juju. Did. Juju know when he hit him in the back, not hitting him in the back, but kind of like cracked back on him that he was feeling some type of way.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, so he popped him. He popped him in the game, but that's it.

[Joe Hayden]

He popped him in the game. And that's what. And that's what my other part is with Branch. It's not right to come and steal off on somebody after the game. When you say people be doing stuff all in between the whistles, the ref don't call it. I'm like this. You in the game too. Catch him. You know what I'm saying? Slipping and then you gonna be good. And then there's no $78,000 fine. You're not having to, like, literally fight somebody after the game is over. Now it's time, like, people go into the locker room shaking hands. Like, you had so much time during the game to pop off on juju or, like, just catch him.

[James Debo Harrison]

If they.

[Joe Hayden]

You saying they got three hours, you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Got three hours to go ahead try and steal. Only one good time legally in between the lines.

[Joe Hayden]

And we on defense, too.

[James Debo Harrison]

So you.

[Joe Hayden]

You see him, Branch, you could. You could just one time, you know what is a tackle over there?

[James Debo Harrison]

Fumb.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna just file for juju. It's in the play. Like, you might not even get a flag. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

It was just right. Just be close to it.

[Joe Hayden]

Just be around it, but just be.

[James Debo Harrison]

Close to it and make sure he close to it and go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

And I just ain't like. I just ain't like him stealing off on my man after the game is over. That's just my whole part. And then obviously, juju got retaliated. I like juju. You could just fire back after the game. He tried to pull the little. The fake jump, the bluff, right? I'm like, oh, it's a fight, though now, because the game's over.

[James Debo Harrison]

Game's over.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, it's a real fight now. He's right there. Unless somebody's like. When they step like, man, hold me back, hold me back. I'm like, nobody's holding back right now. Everybody's here.

[James Debo Harrison]

No questions.

[Joe Hayden]

Something can really go down right now. And it got. And it got. And it started getting to it. So that was unfortunate that my man got on the ground and started pulling my man's ear.

[James Debo Harrison]

He dragged me by his ear, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

He got that because he pulled his head, his face mask, and then ripped him by the face.

[James Debo Harrison]

He ripped the face mask off and then started dragging me by his ears. Come on.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't condone. I don't. I don't condone this sort of violence. No, I don't condone it at all neither. I know. And I know you don't also. I don't understand that. It was just crazy how he popped off on one.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't condone that kind of violence. Yeah, because I was gonna say any kind. But I condone some kind of violence.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah. There's some type of branches.

[James Debo Harrison]

Apology, man. Ain't no apology. You can't. You can't say I did a childish thing and then go with the. The excuse, the butt. The. But when you say, sorry, but that's like me being like, hey, Joe, man, I'm sorry for hitting you. In your face. But, you know, you shouldn't have said what you said.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no. After that.

[James Debo Harrison]

That kills everything that you said before it. You can't do the butt.

[Joe Hayden]

He did a butt. But I'm tired of people doing stuff between the player. The rest don't catch it. They be trying to bully me and I don't. I shouldn't do it.

[James Debo Harrison]

It was childish, dude. I'm not. Yeah, I can't. No, listen, they was finding me for plays on the field and I. I was losing it. I got suspended, dude, like, for. For. For a play on the field. Like, duh. I'm not. I'm not trying to lose no game. Chat. You know what? Peasy, that was my first start, man. Oh, yeah, I ever got. Was Peasy fighting dude at the Browns. Yeah, Green. Yeah. Before the game, dude. That was my first thought. I got.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey. And the thing was he spit up me. I totally forgot that, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

He spit on Peasy or Peasy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, yes. That's what. That's what ended up happening. You could find the tape. Like, you can see it like a little like that right there.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

He got. He got suspended. Well, just for that game. He lost the game. Check. Of course you lose, you lose the game. Check. I don't even know if he lost the game. Check, though. I think they might have just kicked him out the game, to be honest with you. I don't even think. I don't even think they got fine for that.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, back in the G day, they like, man, just go to the locker room, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Four, two, five.

[Joe Hayden]

Something like that just sent them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that was damn.

[Joe Hayden]

Good old time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yo, speaking of good old time, man, the Eagles, like, my. My dude said it was time he retired mid season Smith today.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

After the loss to the Giants. He.

[Joe Hayden]

He.

[James Debo Harrison]

He retired. So.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, that.

[Joe Hayden]

Dang, bro. I was.

[James Debo Harrison]

I like that gotta be like, just looking at. Looking at the statement. Like, it got to be something like, like real, like, like personal going on. I don't know too many people that just. Without some other issues or. Or. Or something going on, you know, personally, that just, you know, retires in the middle, you know, for the season.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, you know what, Deebo? I think dudes now are starting to just. You know, I think he probably was thinking about it for a little bit, and then once you get into the season, things start. Start not really rocking the way you kind of wanted to. And I know Zadarius. He's made. He's been in the league For a while, kind of OG Made a little bit of. Made some bread, you know, it could just be, man, I don't feel like doing this no more. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know, man. I can't. I can't. I can't do that. That's. That. I guess that's just me. Me personally, because when I came back to the Steelers in 2014, bruh, and we were playing. We were about to play Tampa, and so they signed me back up, and I'm out there, and the first practice, it was. I believe it was that Wednesday, right? And, you know, that's full pass. So, you know, we go. We do the pad thing, man. That next day, bro, I was like, yo, I can't believe I signed. My body was hurting me, bro. I was so hurt, dude. Like, I'm. I'm sitting there like, you know what? I don't know if I really want to do this. Like, I know I did. Like, I'm doing it only because, like, my brothers, it's guys that I've been there with for, you know, for 10 plus years. It's Troy, it's Ike, it's Keisel. They. I'm like, you know what? My kids say, yes, I can. So I came back, and now I'm sitting there, I'm like, yo, I can't. I don't even know if, like, I might have to, dude. I can't come in for practice the next day. My body just did not it, dude. It took. It took a good. Probably good three, four days for my body to get back, right? And then we had a game. So we planned playing this tamper, right? So, bro, into the game, they're like, yeah, we go use you sparingly, you know. You know, maybe 15 or so snaps. I'm like, all right, cool. I can work my way back into it, man. 43 snaps later, bro. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, see?

[James Debo Harrison]

Fresh off, dude. Fresh off. Fresh off the street, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Off.

[James Debo Harrison]

Retire. I mean, I was only retired for like, 14, 15 days, two weeks, something like that. But, like, I'm like, yo, I haven't went through, you know, training, and none of that. Like, it was like, I'm like, nah, this is not. Yeah, this is not. This is not me. And the only thing. I ain't gonna lie to you, dude. The only thing that stopped me was like, I was like, you know what my daddy said? You start something, you finish.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I finish it.

[James Debo Harrison]

And that's the only thing that kept me going, bruh. Hey, look, of course I fell. You know, I went back into the motions of being. Getting used to it, like. Like, and playing again, falling back in love with the game. So I ended up signing it, you know, a couple more years after that. But, dude, I just. I don't know if I could. I could do that and just be like, yeah, I know. You know, I was supposed to do this or do that. Unless, like I said, you're dealing with something real personal, you know, that you. You need to remove yourself from it, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it could.

[James Debo Harrison]

It could.

[Joe Hayden]

It could, like, like you said, too, you know, you never know what people are going through. It could be family, it could be that. But at the same time, if you don't want to be there, that's a place you don't need to be. You can't play football. NFL, professional football. So if you're kind of like your heart's not in it, you're not trying to be there. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, listen. My heart was in it. My body wasn't cooperating with my heart. You were saying my body.

[Joe Hayden]

You, You. You a good man.

[James Debo Harrison]

And the pain, my low back, bruh. Like, it was. It was not. It was not good. I'm sitting there and it was. We're playing the game, right? And I go to jump over the dude, and as I go to jump over the dude, like, my feet get hit and I land on my back, right? Man, you know, I don't jump that high. Like, I already had. You know, I had a couple back surgery, so I ain't jumping that high, man. I couldn't have been no higher than. Like this off the ground, but I landed on my back, bro. I think I told you this, man. I look at Mike T. He look at me. And then after the game, he was like, yeah, I saw it again.

[Joe Hayden]

I saw.

[James Debo Harrison]

I saw it on your face. Just about to make a business decision, huh? You think about giving it. I was like, yeah, like that. It. Dude, it hurts so bad. I was like, oh, my God. I didn't believe grass could feel this, dude. It was the worst thing ever, man. So, like, Thursday, we're gonna go. Going out here pop on them bungles. I mean, bangles. My braces keep. Keep messing me. Messing up my words.

[Joe Hayden]

But this is. Mess up when you want them to mess up.

[James Debo Harrison]

But. But before. Before we do that. Oh, it messed up when I wanted to mess. Okay, before. But before we do that. That's the start of the new week. Who is your Week 6 defensive payout? Of the week, man. Who you going with?

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna go with the. The newcomer, Vaughn Miller, the defensive end for The Broncos, number 15.

[James Debo Harrison]

What'd he get? What'd he get? What he got?

[Joe Hayden]

All I know is I think he had two sacks. Two sacks, two sacks. He balled out. And I just liked him because they. I was happy that the Broncos, they used their picks that they got for Vaughn to get him, and he's just been having a great year, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with Devin White, linebacker for the. For Vegas, man. Dude had nine tackles, one sack, one force fumble, and an interception.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man. Yeah. Devin White. He used to be with Tampa. Yeah, that's my good man. Let's go. Team. Jordan. He's a Jordan Brand athlete.

[James Debo Harrison]

Is he a. Speaking of Jordan Brand. Let's get back to that. Joe. I don't know if y' all notice. Joe's supposed to give me some Jordans.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, shucks. I kept on forgetting what's. What's. And you say. Hold on. You decided 14.

[James Debo Harrison]

See that you keep forgetting every time I tell you about it. But I ain't gonna say nothing, but I'm really looking for some of them. You know, them. The.

[Joe Hayden]

The.

[James Debo Harrison]

What is they? The. The. I don't even know what they is. It's so many Georgia's out there. But anyway, it didn't even matter. I said, I just want some change. And I know you the J, man.

[Joe Hayden]

This one. This time, Debo, I promise you.

[James Debo Harrison]

I gotta go talk to Jordan.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. You don't even gotta talk to him. I got you. You got it right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Directly to the source. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Like size.

[James Debo Harrison]

I thought you was the source. I. You know, I could be wrong. All right, look, who I thought you was. I thought you was.

[Joe Hayden]

Tap in. Tap into me offline. Tap into me offline.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, I was just checking, man. I thought she was that. You know, that. You know, that person.

[Joe Hayden]

I got you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Anyway, man, look, when I got to the air here, man. So what we're going to do here is. What's that right there? We gotta. What we got there? Super chat.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, Debo, what are the super chats talking about?

[James Debo Harrison]

I can't. Where is it? Oh, little. Little. Is that little David 6:1 said, Whatever. Whatever. We hurt Jalen Daniels. The rest made. Made up for it. BS Call in Chicago. What the hell is he talking about? All right, man, whatever. Don't know what you're saying. Yeah, thank. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for watching, buddy. Hey, listen, we want to thank y' all for joining us. Yes. On this episode, the Debo and Joe. On every episode of Debo and Joe. Like, we really appreciate y'. All. We need y' all here. But when you write something that I can't read fluently, that's what you get. You need to put some punctuation in it. Hey, make sure you like and subscribe, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yo, make sure you like and subscribe, man. We gonna be back here on Friday to talk about how our Stillers whoop the Bengals. And so, yeah, we're gonna have detailed message about that.

[James Debo Harrison]

That.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's get to it.

[James Debo Harrison]

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