Deebo & Joe - MNF REACTION: Falcons UPSET Rams, Tomlin's future, Lamar on trade block?

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe: MNF Reaction (Falcons Upset Rams, Tomlin's Future, Lamar Trade Talk?)

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: James “Debo” Harrison & Joe Hayden (iHeartPodcasts/Shay Shay Media)
Date: December 30, 2025
Episode Theme:
A lively and unfiltered recap of Monday Night Football’s stunning Falcons win over the Rams, with in-depth breakdowns of key plays, playoff implications, MVP talk, and hot takes on big NFL storylines—Coach Tomlin’s future and swirling Lamar Jackson trade rumors.

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Episode Overview

Debo (James Harrison) and Joe (Joe Hayden) dive into a wild MNF game, dissecting the Falcons’ upset against the Rams in dramatic detail. The duo break down crucial moments, pivot to league-wide conversations (like Mike Tomlin’s status and the Lamar Jackson rumor mill), and offer their usual mix of expert analysis, humor, and locker-room authenticity. The episode is loaded with candid takes, player stories, and sharp banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Falcons Shock Rams – In-Game Breakdown

• Initial Expectations (02:15)

  • Joe admits he thought the Rams would “spank them boys.”
  • Debo: “I ain’t think they was gonna really like Spank them like that. I thought they would definitely win, which did not happen…” (02:36)
  • Both emphasize “Any Given Sunday” and the unpredictability of the NFL.

• Game Flow & Pivotal Moments

  • Rams start strong, jump out to a big lead; early confidence in LA’s defense (03:25–04:31).
  • Bijan Robinson’s effect: Initial runs stuffed by LA’s tough D, but Debo notes the false start (05:15) and the growing momentum for Atlanta.
  • Key defensive highlights, including nearly intercepted throws and a deep appreciation for physical DB play (04:02–04:13).
  • Bijan Robinson’s massive 93-yard TD run was a jaw-dropper:

    “Bruh, he cut so hard, man, the safety didn’t even… I don’t even think he got both hands on. He got so hard, he slid.”
    — Debo (13:33) “93 yards. That boy was form, running smooth, digging... like he thought he was running the 100 meter.”
    — Joe (13:52)

  • Rams’ missed opportunities: costly penalties (illegal formation negating a near-TD) (11:01–11:20), struggling short-yardage offense, and three interceptions by Stafford—including a pick-six.

• Second Half Momentum Shifts

  • Rams fight back from 21-0, led by splash plays and a blocked FG returned for a TD:

    “He goes 76 yards for the touchdown… now the game is in play, 24–17.”
    — Debo (18:23)

  • LA slowly closes the gap, tying the game late via Puka Nacua and sharp play-calling (24:32–25:01).
  • Both hosts lament missed coverages/sideline discipline; question Atlanta’s DB play as the Rams mount their comeback.

• Final Drives & Clutch Moments

  • Falcons manage a crucial FG drive, burning LA’s timeouts and nailing a 56-yarder to go ahead (25:41–25:58).
  • Rams’ final 21 seconds: Stafford overthrows a wide-open Smith and receivers miss on tightly contested balls.

    “If he was in bounds, he still caught the ball. That ball did not touch the ground…”
    — Joe, on Puka’s near-catch (27:28)

  • Debo, awed by both defense and receiver skill:

    “If they didn’t have that other camera, that would have been a catch for sure, bruh. Wow.” (29:10)

  • Both agree it was a classic, wild finish:

    “Wild, wild game. Great game, though. I ain’t gonna lie. I liked it... when you ain’t got a dog in the fight, you can enjoy the game.”
    — Debo (29:18–29:21)

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2. Quarterback & MVP Talk

• Matthew Stafford’s Rough Night
  • Three interceptions and inconsistent play spark an MVP discussion.

    “You think Stafford might have lost his chances for that…for the mvp?”
    — Debo (31:34)

    • Joe: “He dang sure didn’t help his chances.” (31:43)
  • Compare Stafford’s disastrous outing to Drake Maye’s near-flawless day; consensus is that recency bias—and the final regular-season performance—will shape MVP perception.

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3. Mike Tomlin’s Future in Pittsburgh

• Reacting to Adam Schefter’s Rumor (34:50)
  • Adam Schefter claims it’s in “the realm of possibility” Tomlin leaves if the Steelers lose Sunday.
  • Debo/ Joe treat this with skepticism and humor:

    “Anything’s in the realm of possibility. It’s in the realm of possibilities that, you know, I could go and get me a pizza...”
    — Debo (35:14)

    • Both clarify it would only happen if Tomlin chooses to walk (“grown man, been there 18 years”).
    • Reminder: Steelers haven’t fired a head coach in over 50 years; more likely Tomlin would finish his contract and then explore options (36:59).

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4. Player Frustration & Locker Room Dynamics

• Patrick Queen’s Cryptic Retweet (39:53)
  • Queen retweets: “Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over…”
  • Hosts debate if this is about scheme, coaching, or organizational philosophy.

    “He’s saying at some way, shape or form, whether it is offensively, defensively, organizationally, they’re doing the same thing and expecting a different result…”
    — Debo (40:44)

  • Both dig into how players air grievances and the realities of speaking out, including a lengthy, candid anecdote from Debo about mid-week defensive changes in his playing days (45:01).

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5. Lamar Jackson Trade Talk (53:38)

• Rumors Take Center Stage
  • “The big story this offseason could be the Ravens trading Lamar Jackson…” Debo throws out scenario of Lamar to Vikings for J.J. McCarthy.
  • Both firmly dismiss the idea as “tripping” and “disrespectful.”

    “If the Ravens get rid of him, I think that’s going to be nothing but a come up for the Vikings… The disrespect!”
    — Joe (54:32, 55:03)

  • Debo: Style of play dictates the need for a backup plan, but Lamar’s value is so unique the idea of a direct trade is silly (56:08).
  • Deep x’s & o’s: If the Ravens ever moved on from Lamar, they’d need another dual-threat QB to maintain the system (56:33).
  • Both skeptical the Ravens would make a move—unless forced by injury or contract.

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6. Miscellaneous & Listener Questions

• Sauce Gardner Responds to Critics (63:03)

  • Conversation about cornerbacks not getting targeted, how to handle criticism, and advice for current/younger players.

    “The people that matter are watching all of your tape… People that matter know what’s up, you know what I’m saying? So don’t feel like you got to prove yourself to the peons…”
    — Joe (64:18)

  • Debo: Younger players “a little too sensitive, man… Never as bad as they say you are, but you’re never as good as you think you are.” (65:48)

• Super Chats & Steelers/Browns Banter (66:13–69:33)

  • Playful back-and-forth; jokes about team histories, stadium name changes, and division rivalry.
  • Debo: “That’s what a real life. Still a fan do. Listen, even though we lose, you can’t just sit up there and disrespect…” (69:33)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On the MNF Upset
  “You can get some…I see why they want to see points. Teams come back…when you ain’t got a dog in the fight, you like points, you can appreciate it a little more.”
  — Debo (02:45)

• On Bijan’s Home-run TD
  “93, Debo…That boy was form, running smooth, digging…”
  — Joe (13:52)

• On Rams’ Mistakes
  “They were shooting themselves in the foot…they still had a chance to win the game, you know what I’m saying?”
  — Joe (29:48)

• On MVP Race After Bad Stafford Game
  “You’re only good as your last game. If Drake Maye as good as his last game? That’s amazing. That’s an MVP right there.”
  — Joe (33:08–33:13)

• On Mike Tomlin, Steelers
  “Almost 100% certainty…Tomlin, no matter what happens, will be the coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers…unless he decides otherwise.”
  — Debo (36:04)

• On Player Frustration/Airing Issues
  “He’s talking about something that he can’t speak on. May never speak on…He frustrated, you putting me in horrible positions, I can't do what I need to do…”
  — Debo (51:17)

• On Lamar Trade Rumors
  “If the Ravens get rid of him, I think that’s going to be nothing but a come up for the Vikings…The disrespect in this!”
  — Joe (55:03)

• Advice to Younger Players Like Sauce Gardner
  “The people that matter are watching all of your tape…You can’t try to impress the people that don’t know what’s going on.”
  — Joe (64:18)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Falcons–Rams Opening Reactions: 02:15–06:42
• First Bijan Highlight & Offensive Analysis: 06:43–13:55
• Big Defensive Plays (pick-sixes, turnovers): 09:11, 10:04–10:48
• Blocked FG Return & Rams Comeback: 17:08–18:32
• Final Possessions, Rams Late Opportunities: 25:01–29:18
• MVP Race/Stafford Discussion: 31:34–33:13
• Mike Tomlin & Steelers’ Future: 34:50–39:53
• Patrick Queen Retweet Analysis: 39:53–44:59
• Debo’s 2015 Patriots Story: 45:01–47:41
• Lamar Jackson Trade Rumors & Reaction: 53:38–56:08
• Sauce Gardner Criticism/Player Sensitivity: 63:03–66:08
• Super Chat/Browns-Steelers Trash Talk: 66:13–69:33

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Summary Takeaways

• The Falcons shocked the NFL world with a resilient, ground-heavy, and opportunistic win over the mistake-prone Rams.
• Both hosts give deep insights into how games swing—through explosive plays, coaching discipline (or lack thereof), and player mentalities.
• Heavy skepticism and side-eye for media rumors about Tomlin’s job and Lamar trades—both hosts emphasize organizational history and common sense.
• Real talk about locker room politics: what players can and can’t (or won’t) say about coaching and leadership.
• Useful advice for young NFL stars—focus on respect from those who matter, not online critics.
• Classic, rowdy banter and jokes, especially when it comes to AFC North rivalries.

In Their Words:
“Any Given Sunday, that’s why you watch the games.”
“We ain’t giving up the sticks—even when the game gets wild.”
“You’re only as good as your last game.”

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Whether you’re a Falcons, Rams, Steelers, or Ravens fan—or just love the game—this episode is a masterclass in postgame analysis, league gossip, and authentic football talk straight from two of the NFL’s best defensive minds.

Transcript

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[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing good today. My brother Debo, we had another good one. Oh, yes, I was surprised. I'm not going to lie. That's why we watched the games though, Debo. You know what I'm saying? If you think that what you think is gonna happen might not happen. I thought the Rams gonna go out there and spank them boys for sure, in my honest opinion. But you know, that's any given Sunday. That's why I. I ain't gonna lie.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't think they was gonna really like Spank them like that. I thought they would definitely win, which did not happen, but I thought they.

[Joe Hayden]

Was gonna spank them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Nah, I, I just didn't see the spanking coming. I saw, I saw, I saw him winning. I saw him winning. I didn't. I didn't see the spanking coming. I guess that's how I can get. You know, you can get some. I see why they want to, like, see points. Teams come back, you know, we like defense, but when you ain't got a dog in the fight, you know what I'm saying? You like points, you can appreciate it a little more. You can appreciate the comeback. Because now I'm sitting here watching the game at, you know, halftime that's look like a blowout. It's. It's 21 to nothing. That's what we thinking is gonna happen. And then it, it, it doesn't happen. So let's go ahead and hop on into that thing, man. Yeah, so the Rams, they. They pop out there real quick off on them boys and. Whoa. What did I do that?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you all out?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, Rams pop up out there in Atlanta. I think that. Dude, I really thought that was a fumble. Yes, they ruled forward progress, but like, like, he wasn't really, like, he was still kind of moving and it came out so fast anyway.

[Joe Hayden]

I think that was a turnover.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm with you, John. They go ahead and do what they know what I thought they was gonna do. First two plays, they give it to, to your boy Bijan, but he don't pick up nothing like 3 yards like we said. LA got a good run defense. Yeah, that's, that's, that's what we was looking for. Third down, Kurt, try to hit one on the sideline.

[Joe Hayden]

Good defense. They got good defense. Play Forbes, you know what I'm saying? PDU in a great spot.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he almost had a pick. If he had turned around a little sooner, like, he, he might have picked that thing off, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

No, he would have. But that was good D. That was good defense.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they punt the ball back over there to la. La get a nice return on it, but they get a blocking in the back.

[Joe Hayden]

That's flags, penalties, self inflicted wounds. Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they pulled, they pulled that thing back. La come out there, you know, they do a quick hot little run. I think that second play, that little play action, dude, nobody was open. They just had to. He just basically had to throw that thing away. And that third and seven, I think it was. What Stu's name? What is it, Mumfrey or something?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, he Had a slant and then caught a bit shorter than first.

[James Debo Harrison]

They originally said it was a first. Upon review, they didn't. They didn't get to him thinking about going forward. I think he was thinking, he was like, nah, just go ahead, punk the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it's a little early back off.

[James Debo Harrison]

And this is where like Atlanta, you know, they started coming alive a little bit. Yes. Hey, Robinson, first down, they missed that false start. I mean, on the first down they missed that false start. He got the five yards though. But they said, you know what, Since y' all missed it on first down, let's go ahead and false start on the next play so y' all can get it right back, y' know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Dropped it right back.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think it was second and ten. Dude. The pocket was just smashing down on that boy. And Cousins just stood in that thing and hit stills for a hot 13.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think the next play, Landon the linebacker for la, man, he whooped that guard so fast, man, he beat that boy like a drum. Forcing, forcing to get an incompletion. Led to a third and eight. And cousins again, Mooney. Yeah, he hit Mooney for 13 and yeah, bro. Hey, real talk. They ended up getting to like a second to ten. Bijan said, let me go ahead, pick up eight of this thing. Third and that put it to a third and two. And Kurt again corner out into the hole, bro. That was nice. A little bit. They could have covered a little better, but.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's good. That's a good ball. He felt it. Found it right in the hole. That's in between the corner and the safety.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that put him the first and I think it was first and goal at the nine. And then they proceed to just.

[Joe Hayden]

Bijan, Bijan, Bijan, Bijan.

[James Debo Harrison]

He went on ahead and finished it off at the end. Kurt lofty him an easy one for a four yard touchdown.

[Joe Hayden]

Good protection. He needed that time to make him get all the way across the defense to the zone. That was nice.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. 70 LA get out there and they try to play action pass. They hit. It was Nuka.

[Joe Hayden]

He tried to hit Puka. But my man, that was a great job. How to low. He just getting back, getting.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey. As soon as he saw it wasn't a run, he get out of there. Turn did to where your covers. Somebody is going to be sitting there. Even though he had dude right there in front of him coming out, he.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, no, you could come back down to that. You can come back down to that. Puka going school.

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[James Debo Harrison]

As soon as he turned that head, bro, he saw. He's like, oh, I gotta get you.

[Joe Hayden]

That was great play.

[James Debo Harrison]

Great play. Tips the ball, dude. Don't catch it. I think second down, Parkinson just.

[Joe Hayden]

He just dropped the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he just dropped it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. He dropped the money.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Third and ten. Stafford goes ahead, and he. He keeps it alive. Scrambling. They got him running around for his life. He hit smith for, like, 18.

[Joe Hayden]

18 dot dot.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think it was the running back. What's his name? Coomer. Coomer. Quorum. Corum. That's it. Corum. He picks up two. Well, actually, he went two plays, just picked up nine yards, so that put him to second or third and one, and then it was Puka, I think, for 10, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, that was a nice pass. Nice catch. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

Just. Yeah, he's unbelievable.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he got hands. They ended up getting to, like, a second to seven, and it was an illegal use of hands that gave him a first and 10, 20. They go for it, though. They get to a fourth and one.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, Lord, your practice squad mans.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey. Oh, Lord.

[Joe Hayden]

Me and my kids were watching the game, and I. I promise you, my son said fam.

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[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, son.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a bomb.

[James Debo Harrison]

Bomb, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Bomb.

[James Debo Harrison]

Beat him across his face so clean, and he was on his outside shoulder and still got all the way across his face. He was actually falling when he was making the tackle.

[Joe Hayden]

All that weight.

[James Debo Harrison]

Debuff.

[Joe Hayden]

That's 300 stumbling into you.

[James Debo Harrison]

So now he gonna get that boy, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Boom.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm surprised he held on to the rock. I think the only reason he held on to the rock is because he wrapped up. He wrapped him up so tight. He ain't had no choice.

[Joe Hayden]

The ball was embed to him.

[James Debo Harrison]

He had no choice. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Ball was in his stomach, that joint. That was crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, my goodness, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Turnover on downs. Y' all thought it was turn over on down. That's a big play, though, for the Falcons. That's. That's what. You know what I'm saying? That's what's gonna win you. Games versus teams. That's a little better.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie, dude. They came out there and they. They. They put in work. Atlanta got back out there. They ain't. They ain't scored, but they put together 11 plays that burnt up a hot six minutes off the clock. And then I think it was that second and seven run. Dijon, where he just cut something so vicious on vert ink.

[Joe Hayden]

That man is setting people up. Debo the whole time he's looking through the first defender. You already missed.

[James Debo Harrison]

You whiffing, bro. You just. You going by like, oh, he just. Oh, yeah, yeah, he just did that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he did that.

[James Debo Harrison]

He just did that. They ended up getting a false start that stalled the drive out. You know, they didn't. They didn't convert. They punt the ball back over to la and I think it was like. What was it like, third and two or something like that, Boy, I'm gonna.

[Joe Hayden]

Tell you a third and three.

[James Debo Harrison]

Third and three. That's what it is. Third three.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I want to throw that high. You want to throw a high across the middle. And that young man Bates is back there just lurking right, right.

[James Debo Harrison]

It looked like he was throwing it to him.

[Joe Hayden]

It, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like he was trying to get it over the receiver.

[Joe Hayden]

He was trying to.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, man, it just fell into it, that boy.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, you ain't lying. Cause that thing, my man Bass had to wait, chill. And that thing, boom. Hit him right in the chest. It wasn't high. He tried. I see where he was going with it, but it was hot, bruh. He cribbed that joint too. Yeah, met the line, met the lineman, like. Yeah, I know you trying to.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Hey, that's sideways. Yeah, yeah. You ain't about to stop him from getting in there. Right there. You got full head of stain. It's up. They up. What was it? 14 nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

14 eggnog.

[James Debo Harrison]

14 nothing. I think LA gets the ball back. They get like maybe seven plays or something ended up. And I think it was an illegal formation or something.

[Joe Hayden]

This is what happened that messed the illegal formation because Puka hit him with the bomb, got a touchdown.

[James Debo Harrison]

It was illegal. It was. What was it, almost a 40 yard, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it was like 35 yard, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Touchdown. Illegal.

[Joe Hayden]

Down to the three. He caught it. He was down to the three. He bombed him down to the three yard line. But it was illegal formation, so.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right. 36. Yeah, that's. It was. It was 36, so illegal formation. They got to start that thing back over there. They gets nowhere.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope.

[James Debo Harrison]

They end up punting the Rock zero points. Hey, listen, they downed that thing right there at that window.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, they did.

[James Debo Harrison]

Was vicious with it.

[Joe Hayden]

Punter was unbelievable.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he. He was nasty.

[Joe Hayden]

He was on mad the defense.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get out there, Atlanta. Get the ball. La. Get out there. Defense stands up.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, they do what they supposed to do.

[James Debo Harrison]

And why are you quarterback sneaking right there? I'm. I'm gonna give it to. I'm gonna give it to Bijan and.

[Joe Hayden]

Do a little A little something, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I think they thought it was so close. They want a little wiggle room, but. Like, a little wiggle room.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I understand that too.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a little wiggle, but yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. So they punt the ball back over la. Got great field position. They midfield right now. They got an opportunity to go in here and score. Put this game back within reach, man, in the first play. Play Stafford goes deep to Smith. And that boy Watts covered more ground than water do on earth. Getting over there to that interception.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude, did you see those ball skills? Debo, he didn't care about none of them. He was tracking that rock. He saw the hill. Nobody, everybody's irrelevant. I'm gonna go get this ball. I see it released from his hands. He really tried me. That's ball skills. Our dude Duggar, he could have did the same thing, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Balls, yes.

[Joe Hayden]

We need, like.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Track that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Go get it. You don't.

[Joe Hayden]

It's your ball if it's too far for you. And you see, oh, man, he's got. Now I gotta go get the man, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Once. Once I get to that point to where I'm like, all right, it's too far from. Now start looking for the.

[Joe Hayden]

When you see, oh, I can go high point this. That's what you go do you know what I'm saying? Like, you go high point the rock.

[James Debo Harrison]

He snatched that thing. Only problem was he snatched that thing at like, the seven.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Atlanta get the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

No problem, no problems.

[James Debo Harrison]

No problem.

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[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, it was. Listen, man, they. They supposed to be one of the. They're supposed to be good run defense. That's what you call nine, man. The boy B John said, okay, y' all say what y' all want to say. Y' all say what y' all want to say. And this right here is why. Dude, he did the safety dirty. This man cut. Game is unmatched.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, he's seeing through these people.

[James Debo Harrison]

Debo, bruh, he cut so hard, man, the safety didn't even. I don't even think he got both hands on. I think he got one on him. He got so hard, he slid. He kicked up more turf than he grabbed on to, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

And he.

[Joe Hayden]

And then he just.

[James Debo Harrison]

Bro. 90 what?

[Joe Hayden]

93, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

93 yards.

[Joe Hayden]

That boy was form, running smooth, digging.

[James Debo Harrison]

And he was out there like he thought he was running 100 meter.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Stick straight up, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Wow. Wow.

[Joe Hayden]

21 egg.

[James Debo Harrison]

21 egg. Man, they come out there la. Get the ball back right before the half. They Try and do something. The staff are going ahead and get sacked the end of half. They say we ain't gonna keep trying to do this. Cause it's third down now, man. Let's just let this clock run out, man. We 21 right now.

[Joe Hayden]

21.

[James Debo Harrison]

We getting the ball in the second half anyway.

[Joe Hayden]

This is my thing though. I'm thinking that they. I'm believing because I'm thinking that the Rams are supposed to beat them. The whole time I'm like, all right, now I'm going to watch the game because I'm thinking they're going start to score. The offense is too good, Stafford's too good. Something gonna happen. If the Rams were up by 21 and nothing at the halftime, I'd be looking a little different.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I ain't. Yeah, yeah, I will say that. I will say that. I. I do agree with that. If it was flipped around, you'll be.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, oh, they about to hit these boys by 40. Is it gonna.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. I might have. Yeah, I might have had to go ahead and turn the TV off. It wasn't that. It wasn't that. It wasn't that. La get the ball to start the second half. They actually get a nice return.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Starting at almost midfield and first down, they get on Stafford's back.

[Joe Hayden]

That's when they start getting on them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Those second four, loss of nine, they travel on down. They get to fourth and six, they own 49, bruh. And they go for it. They like, you know what? We either go crash and burn or coming back. That's it. Yep, that's it.

[Joe Hayden]

One of the two.

[James Debo Harrison]

We ain't got no choice. And Stafford hit Smith and Smith digs up out of there for 36 to the Atlanta 15. Dude, I'm thinking they go actually score a touchdown, but me too stands up.

[Joe Hayden]

Get sacked the game.

[James Debo Harrison]

They sack Stafford on the third down. They hold him to three. Three to 21. Atlanta gets back out there and then they answer. First down, Bijan takes off for 31 to the LA 37.

[Joe Hayden]

Did you see that cut though, bro? Did you see the cut though again? Why is he pushing so hard off that one little foot and his hand on the ground and everybody's still. Nobody can stop. He's already planning on. I'm cutting back on all of you guys and. And then the pursuit coming and I'm stepping on you. You're not going to catch me. I'm like, bro, he tried to take this one yard too.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. It got lucky. They caught him, man. They got lucky. They caught him. They ended up stalling. Now having to settle for a field goal. It's back to a 21 point lead. And I'm like, yeah, maybe it's going to go the other way. They go put something else on top of it and LA comes out there and says, you know what, man, we got to get this done fast, man. Six plays. They go, they go. Six play made. 65 yards.

[Joe Hayden]

Beautiful play calling.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question. Two runs by Williams for a total of 19. Stafford hit Parkinson for 10. And then the touchdown pass to Ferguson for 27. Wide open.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, we booting.

[James Debo Harrison]

We're booting behind everybody.

[Joe Hayden]

We're going back ways. That's just a great like 4,5 DBs.

[James Debo Harrison]

In front of him. What was they saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't. They thought he was running over. They thought it was just. Everybody's flowing. That man kicked it back. Ah, hit him with the Okie doke. That's just. That's great play calling.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, it's. What is it, 2410 now?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, no, no big to do. I'm thinking it's still gonna be, you know, whatever. Especially when Atlanta got back out there and I think they drove all the way down to what was the 20 yard line, something like that. Yeah, dude. They go to attempt a field goal and this is where Verse went on ahead and got his get back. Yes, they blocked the thing. Verse scoops it up and returns six yards. Yes. That's so this. That gotta be taunting.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, you. Somebody hit him with the flag, ref.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hit him with the flag. That's my hitting with the flag, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, oh, this man is tripping.

[James Debo Harrison]

Waving, waving at y' all already know. You gone. It's nobody out there that's gonna be able to catch you when you're not far out. No, the fastest person go be the ends. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. That Joe was hilarious, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he gone. He acting a fool. He goes 76 yards for the touchdown. Now the game is in play. It's. It's 20, 24 to 17.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the.

[James Debo Harrison]

And it's just now getting to the end of the third quarter. Atlanta get back out there.

[Joe Hayden]

Cousins to get a first down.

[James Debo Harrison]

Drops a nice one to Bijan for 11. And then I get a first down. And then LA said. And then ass. Let me lock this up for you. Force them to go ahead out there and punt that ball.

[Joe Hayden]

They started making them look real more normal.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, they start. Hey, yeah. They started making them look like a regular team.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Started making them look like A regular team LA get out there. They ended up getting down to like a third and eight at the Atlanta 33. And it's a sack. Fumble for a touchdown.

[Joe Hayden]

But oh, but oh, that wouldn't have mattered. Like that joint. It was. It was a little bit and that wouldn't have mattered. In my opinion though.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like ah, he defense, all sides, they do hella celebrating. They doing all that. Yeah. Energy, man. They wait. She left and right. They get the ball back. I think what was it? 4th and 2. LA goes for it and Stills steals it. Steals it, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

What I'm telling you is the disguise.

[James Debo Harrison]

The.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm on this man. No, I'm on this man. That. You know what I'm saying? Playing with the defense and you know it sticks. He didn't back up an inch. Don't back up. No, don't worry about it. Somebody gonna get over your back. We got slants here, we got stick routes. It's third, it's fourth and two and he's sitting at three. So he's like this. I'm backing up a little bit.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't going nowhere.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not moving a muscle.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm reacting just what he did. He take it back to the house though.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[James Debo Harrison]

But they come to find out he stepped out of bounds.

[Joe Hayden]

Big bad wide foot.

[James Debo Harrison]

He right there.

[Joe Hayden]

All the way out of bounds.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, right there. I'm not pushing any further to the sideline. I'm taking my blocker. That's right there. You gotta push him with Stafford.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. You won't keep me in balance. You don't need to go out. Yeah, I know what you're saying, Debo. That's what you do.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm going like I seen you. Stop pushing towards the sideline and go into him, bro. Or I'm going to push you into him.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, y' all gonna to get. You have to make him tackle you.

[James Debo Harrison]

They don't even. They. They don't score. They get the ball back. Atlanta comes out and it is three and out and was almost picked on the third down. They got to punt the ball. La get the ball. First down, Williams hit him in the head for 15. Then Stafford drops it to Williams for 21. The next first down is a 41 yard touchdown pass to Puka. And you know what it the game is. No, hold on. Holding. Bring that shit back.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

Excludes Massachusetts. My goodness. Debo, that was they. They were shooting themselves in the foot.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, all night. All night, bro. Like all night. It's first and 20 now.

[Joe Hayden]

Still end up finagling it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they all. They still almost had it at the end though, man. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Look on the quick screen, the puka like leverage. You just got to make him come back into the inside. Why is he being able to run up the sideline on the screen? We got the nickel and the corner over there. Bad D. Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

They ended up picking up 18 on that. Second down to Parkinson. I think third and two is when Williams breaks it for 22. 22. They score on the next play. Puka, puka, puka.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm talking about.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what it is, dude. Y'. All. What is y' all doing over there?

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta just force. There's so many people running. How's he gonna go up the sideline? Make him cut back into the noise? It's real noisy in there. People are running them big.

[James Debo Harrison]

I am not letting you get anywhere towards the sideline. I'm only thing over there. Ain't nobody allowing sideline to tackle you. So why you get there?

[Joe Hayden]

No, the sideline is they. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know that he scores. Now it's tied up.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's tied up. I'm thinking they about to lose this, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm thinking they about to lose. I'm like, yeah, that's. You know what this what you get. You were supposed to blow them out. We are 21, right? Y' all like playing with your food. And now they done came back and about to smack you upside the head.

[James Debo Harrison]

21, zip. The game over. You supposed to turn the sticks in.

[Joe Hayden]

You supposed to give up the sticks.

[James Debo Harrison]

D. Bo supposed to give up the sticks. They don't. They don't give up the sticks. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We fighting.

[Joe Hayden]

What's it we get, man, to get.

[James Debo Harrison]

Out there and say, okay, we got an answer, though.

[Joe Hayden]

I like it.

[James Debo Harrison]

He lucky on that first down, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, he almost gave away the money off the rip.

[James Debo Harrison]

He lucky that ball dropped into no man's lane.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you, Lord. Tips and overthrows are picked.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. They end up going. I think it was about nine plays. It was only 32 yard, but they burned up two and a half minutes. Yes. Forcing LA to use them timeouts.

[Joe Hayden]

Hit a 51 yarder. Bang.

[James Debo Harrison]

It was 56, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

56.

[James Debo Harrison]

Straight down the middle into the net.

[Joe Hayden]

So them boys back Debo. 20 seconds.

[James Debo Harrison]

They got 21 seconds, bro. And I'm like, it's over with. Everything is over with. They at the 35 in the first play. He misses a wide open. Smith.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Not only have you been throwing picks, you missed a man wide open to go and possibly win the game right now.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, I know. And this Matthew Stafford, too. He's the keys. He's. He's elite. He's made these throws in his sleep. He can make.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hold on now. Second down. The damn. What is It. Archewell.

[Joe Hayden]

Archewell.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he dropped that. He only to his hands.

[Joe Hayden]

I like the way the deep. I'm the DB too. Like you're holding your hand, fighting, and then you kind of hold that other arm down. Referee could have called it, but he didn't. But he only had one hand.

[James Debo Harrison]

I understand that, but I feel like he could.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta snag that. You gotta one hand snag that.

[James Debo Harrison]

At least try and like lay it there. You got so much sticky on. You got them gloves, come on.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a. That's a one handed bomb from 50. So you got to be able to catch that. I mean, obviously, we've seen NFL dudes.

[James Debo Harrison]

We'Ve seen it being done.

[Joe Hayden]

We've seen it done. We've seen it with two fingers. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, you can lie to you, bro. That third down.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh my.

[James Debo Harrison]

I thought Puka had it until they showed that other angle.

[Joe Hayden]

If it wasn't for he.

[James Debo Harrison]

He.

[Joe Hayden]

If he's not going out of bounds, he still catches the ball. Cause the ball never hits the ground. But it's losing the control and landing out of bounds part. I was trying to describe it to my people. I'm like, if he was in bounds, he still caught the ball. That ball did not touch the ground. But he had his two feet in one hand. And then when he's going. Then he lost it for a second.

[James Debo Harrison]

He lost it. And that's inbounds now.

[Joe Hayden]

It never hit the ground for sure. That catch was unbelievable. But you're on the sideline, toe tapping, and you have to keep complete control. You can't lose it at all.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

It's just the difference. Like if he was.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like I said, if he had more room.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh my God.

[James Debo Harrison]

He ain't got more room.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm sorry. My man was great.

[James Debo Harrison]

Time he got the control. He was already out of bounds.

[Joe Hayden]

It's so crazy. If we didn't have all those angles, because from the first two, I'm like, oh my.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm like, he got it.

[Joe Hayden]

That was unbelievable.

[James Debo Harrison]

The very last one where they had that right here angle, bruh. And you saw it do the little.

[Joe Hayden]

You saw a little air. You saw. I said all this air in there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Hayden]

But that meant yes. And then the. Obviously the last one, it was just a fade ball to the side kind of time over. Good position.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was in position, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't gonna hold you.

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[Joe Hayden]

That catch, man, that had me. I'm like, no matter what, just the skill Like, Puka is nasty. His routes, his body. Control that catch. One hand, inside hand, just being able to. And then drop the other toe. I'm like, dudes on the sideline not knowing where they are. This dude's one hand and backhand, like, just the skill. Watching that was crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, man, y' all see that? Y' all see that? Y' all see this? Y' all see the rubber kicking up? Y' all know I did it.

[Joe Hayden]

Y' all see that? Y' all see those pellets?

[James Debo Harrison]

If they didn't have that other camera, that would have been a catch for sure, bruh. Wow.

[Joe Hayden]

Wow. Wild. Wild game. Wild game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Great game, though. I ain't gonna lie. I liked it. I liked it. Like I said, when you ain't got a dog in the fight, you can. You can enjoy the game. Atlanta jumped out there on their neck early, you know, and then you add that with Stafford throwing the three picks, one being a pick six, Dijon went for, like, damn near 200 on them, 100 on almost one play. You know, if they had more time, bro, they could have came back and won, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

If they had more time, for sure. And they were shooting themselves in the foot so many times, missing so many paths, so many just easy things that they can normally do, and they still had a chance to win the game, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Or at least tie it.

[Joe Hayden]

At least. At least tie it. I know, for sure. But, like, all those picks in the red zones, not being able to convert like that hurt them big time. But if I'm the Rams, I'm going back, looking at the tape, knowing we could have beat them by a lot of points even though we shot ourselves in the foot, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's things that easily we could do to make ourselves a whole lot better. So I wouldn't be stressing if I was the Rams.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, Falcons. I'm like, man, we this nice. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, we got. We had to send us the whole.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I ain't gonna lie, man. I heard, like, the little. No, they go into the locker room, right? And, you know, the coach is talking and da, da, da, da. And he said something that just. It. It just. It would have rubbed me wrong. And he was like, we beat a team that was tougher than us. I'm like, nah, hell no.

[Joe Hayden]

See, hold up. They coaches might be tougher than you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Or.

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[James Debo Harrison]

Or.

[Joe Hayden]

Or.

[James Debo Harrison]

Or more physical than us or something like that. Or something like that, dude. And I'm like, nah, nah, you ain't Put. That ain't no motivator. You saying you.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, that's. That's that back. That's that side. That side.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like you posting you us up like. Yo, we went out there and we. We dominated them. Yeah. We were more physical than them. No, we. We. They were.

[Joe Hayden]

They're the more physical team.

[James Debo Harrison]

We still did it. No, no, no, no. That's that, that's that, that's that backwards.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It was like. I. I ain't. I ain't think you had it in you, but you wouldn't show me something today.

[James Debo Harrison]

For real, bruh. Yo, you think Stafford might have lost his chances for that? For the mvp?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man, I ain't gonna lie to you. He didn't. He dang sure didn't hurt. He dag on. Sure didn't help his chances.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, man. Hey, Drake may. He went. I know it's a chance, but still he only had two incompletions.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no, that's. I mean, yes. If we compare it to that. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Meanwhile, this man had three interceptions.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I think this. Yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

And next week, I think they play the Cardinals like. I don't even know if they go play. I wouldn't put them. I don't know, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Drake.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, I'm talking about LA.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, LA. Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

LA. Played the Cardinals can't. And they.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't think they can switch their playoff position anymore.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. If they can't switch their playoff position, why I'm gonna put you out there? I mean, it's the same thing with. With, you know, with New England. Well, I'm gonna put. I'm gonna put one. Put my quarterback out here. If he can't. If it can't do nothing for us one way or the other. No, I feel it seemed get a buy. So if you can't get me to buy and they can't put me in or out, why I' ma risk the most important person on my team.

[Joe Hayden]

I wouldn't. And if that's the case, then you are as good as your last game. And I think Drake may put up a great argument for him to win the mvp. And I think if that was Matthew Stafford's last showing, you know what I'm saying? The last thing you see. Hey, done.

[James Debo Harrison]

You're only good at your last game.

[Joe Hayden]

And that dude. And if Drake may as good as his last game. That's amazing. That's an mvp, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

There. When do they vote for the mvp, though? Because now I think they vote later now. So if you go into the playoffs now, and I don't think they vote to like. Like right after. Right before the. The super bowl or right after. I don't know how it goes. But if that's the case, you could still. He can still maybe do something to playoffs. If Drake go out there and just mess up.

[Joe Hayden]

Ain't it supposed to be the regular season mvp, though, Debo?

[James Debo Harrison]

I understand that, but, you know, later, everybody, you know, you know, somebody go.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, it used to.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know.

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[James Debo Harrison]

When did they do it, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. You know, I don't know when they do it. I gotta check.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think the voting is supposed to be before they start, but they don't announce it, I think, until. What is that? Honors? Yeah. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Do they. Do they. Do they. Do they give us. Do they. Do they show us the vote before then? Do they are. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. I gotta check and see, but I ain't gonna lie. Drake may put his. Put his best foot forward.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, it's no question about that. Dude. There's no question about that. Yeah. So, man, I'm gonna go ahead and say Stafford, he might have fumbled the bag on this one. Yeah, he might have fumbled a bag on this one.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't throw to all of them picks, and especially when your competition is winning and not. And he's just walking through stuff looking great. And that was the worst I seen Matthew Stafford play. So he hasn't been doing like that all year. Yo, man, what's up, babe?

[James Debo Harrison]

I. I always. Scheffner. What? Yes. I can't get that. You know what I'm talking about.

[Joe Hayden]

Adam S. Adam S. Yeah. Mr. Shepherd.

[James Debo Harrison]

Adam S. Says it's in the realm of possibility that Mike Tomlin leaves the Steelers with a lawful a loss on Sunday and goes on and does TV next season or coaches somewhere else in 2026. What do you think is the possibilities of that happening?

[Joe Hayden]

It is a realm of possibility. That's what a man says. What is a realm of possibility?

[James Debo Harrison]

What? In the realm of possibilities, which means every option is available. Yes. He's just trying to get somebody to look at what he's saying. Anything's in the realm of possibility. It's in the realm of possibilities that, you know, I could go and get me a pizza. Yes. Some random possibilities.

[Joe Hayden]

Random possibility. That's what I'm just like. Yeah. He just wanted to start talking about possibilities.

[James Debo Harrison]

He just wants somebody, you know, he just wants somebody to look at what.

[Joe Hayden]

He said and we say Mike Tomlin's job in jeopardy and he say is a still is with loss. There's a possibility of Mike Tomlin leaving. So we not saying Mike T's getting fired. They're not talking about him firing Mike T. He's talking about Mike T's making his own decision. That's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's why I said yesterday I would be saying it's almost with the almost with a hundred percent certainty. And Mike Thomas, no matter what happens will be the coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2026 season. Okay said earlier, I said yesterday, I say it now but as he said the realm of possibilities is if he says I'm done, that's the only way it happens because I'm going to not as he would not as you would not leave all that money on the table. I will make you fire me so I could take it with me. If I leave, I have to let it go too.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh yeah. So you, you're not gonna leave. It's guaranteed. So you know what I'm saying. I'm a post up and like you said, he has one year left on this contract. So at the end of this season, nothing. Coach T could leave. Like you said, Steelers are not going to fire him, they're going to chill. But if they don't do an extension, that means after 2026 season this is his last year under contract. So then it's like what you going to do? Something has to happen. So after this season I'm with you. I don't like you said, Coach T isn't going to get fired. Realm of possibility he can do whatever he wants. Coach T could say oh I'm going to stay, I want to leave, I want to go somewhere else, I want to go do other things. So like you said, realm possibility, Coach T grown man, been there 18 years. He has a respective when you say they're not going to fire him. So he can choose his decision to leave, choose the decision to stay. But then what about then he's looking at his contract, he has one year left. If he don't get a deal done during this off season that means that last 2026 is the last year, you know what I'm saying? And then you'll see what happens after that. So it'll be more traction is building up because normally one year left he gets an Extension, nothing to talk about. But if you're going in the off season, nothing happens. You go into that year on your last year of your contract. Now, it's really, really real because at the end of that season, as soon as the season ends, you're not going to be talking about it during the year because you're a culture of a tenured professional. But as soon as that last game happens, now, you are a free agent. You can do what you want to do. So that's going to be a real, real live thing. So it'd be a lot of stuff to be talked about next season. But I think this offseason, realm of possibility, you can throw that out there. Coach T going to do whatever he wants. He can stay if he wants. He can go if he wants, whatever.

[James Debo Harrison]

It is, contract, like I said, realm of possibility, he could go to the ruins and say, hey, look here, I'm thinking, like, maybe we should part ways or this and that, but, you know, I'm gonna need to be able to, you know, keep this money or. Or. Or. Or have a, you know, open conversation with teams that pos. Like, whatever it is that he does or goes or decides to be done, or they end up, you know, not resigning him because they're not going to fire. He'll have a job in five minutes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. No. Yes, yes, yes. So we're saying with the situation at hand with the Steelers is they don't. They haven't fired anybody. Like, their coach has been there three years, three coaches for the last 50 years. Coach Thomas is now still in his contract, so they'll let him play out his deal, and then at the end of your deal, then they'll go do something else. So it's not a firing. They are contractually obligated. They have Coach T. And they know that they're going to be there for through the 2026 season. What he decides to do after this season is on Coach T. Coach, he can do what he wants to do. Like, he's like, no, I'm not rocking with this. I want to go somewhere else. I want to go look at things. But with the Steelers in my eyes, they're like, okay, no, we got you this year. After next season, we'll see what happens. Like, if we don't do an extension after this year, like, it's kind of in our hands. But Coach, cheese wise, he can do what he wants to do. So, like, that's kind of where I'm at.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, yeah. 100. 100. Like I said, almost 100% certainty. And the only way that happens is if he decides that it's going to happen. That's it. So Patrick McQueen, he re. He reposts something. He retweeted something. He. And the. In the retweet, it said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

[Joe Hayden]

So.

[James Debo Harrison]

What, what do you think you're trying to say here? You think you're trying to send a little. A hidden message, you know? You know, one of those subliminals. Like, he ain't say it, you know, but he. Somebody else said he just.

[Joe Hayden]

He just, he just retweeted it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just retweeted.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think he's saying right here, Debo?

[James Debo Harrison]

I think he's saying exactly what he's saying. He's saying at some way, shape or form, whether it is offensively, defensively, organizationally, they're doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Now, I don't know exactly what that thing is talking about, but something. It's something like. It's a whole lot of things he could have been talking about. Like, I don't know what, what, where. Where do you go with it? I can. I don't know, bro. He could be. Maybe he could be talking about the office, but I don't, I don't see somebody talking about the off. I don't see an offensive guy talking about the defense.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't see talking about the office.

[James Debo Harrison]

Talking about the office. That's just, that's just me. Because I'm gonna be more in tune with what I'm doing and understanding that than I would with what they're doing in their game plan. Because I'm not in their room setting it up every week, getting ready and going through it. But I am in mine.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

So where do you, where do you go with this? What do you think? What's your.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

Interpretation?

[Joe Hayden]

My interpretation is kind of what you said. I. I know he's talking about something. I'm trying to figure out if he's talking about defense, if he's talking about offense, if he's talking about just the way that things are being coached, the something that they're. That he feels as a leader, as a defensive player, that they're doing wrong there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Go back early in the year, he was talking about defensive scheme.

[Joe Hayden]

So if you talk about.

[James Debo Harrison]

He said something about that after one of the games. I think it was. Was it. Was it Buffalo?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, I could see Buffalo. I mean, they ran the same play 35 times that could have somebody hot. So, I mean, yeah, like you said, Debo, I don't want to say specifically because I don't know what it is, and it's a retweet. So. But if you. If he's writing it, I'm think. And like you said, he's saying what he's. What he's. He's tweeting how he's feeling. So it's something going on in that organization or that. That he's saying that he's like, we keep on doing the same thing and expecting something different, and I don't think it's working. I would like to know what he's talking about, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Because it's a lot of, man. He can't say it himself.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, but you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

And he's like, yo, something need to be done, and I'm not in a position to get it done. Like, I'm just a player, man. I gotta. I'm out here playing, but that's the one part I see something. Something got to change, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

With the players, though, that's the thing. It always gets a little bit messy, though, Deebo, like when. If you're the player, you know you're going to get people to start talking about it. We want to talk about the specifics. If you want to just tweet out a retweet, random what somebody said. Understand? You want to get that out there. But for me, I want to know what. Like, I know, I know it's not for me to know everything, but I want to be able to break down what you're talking about. Because just throwing shit out there and be like this, Okay, I think he's talking about this. And then he. No, that's not what I was saying. So I don't want to put words into his mouth, but when he speaks like this, you make it. You make it. You make it easy for us to just throw stuff out there, Guess.

[James Debo Harrison]

And that's what it is, is for us to guess and come to an. An assumption or actually get to what it is without them having to say it. We've been in the locker room, Joe. You know, you can't say nothing about what is going on, what is wrong, why things is the. The way they are. And most people don't say anything about it even after they're done because a lot of people want to get back into that area. So if you do that, then you don't get back into that area.

[Joe Hayden]

Of coaching and the snitching and look like you snitching, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, right, right. Like, Joe. It's stuff that I could say, even though I still say stuff, but I don't really get out there. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Like, oh, for sure. Up.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's just like the. Dude, you're never going to get all the deep. You know what, man? I'm gonna give you something. I'm gonna give you something. I probably shouldn't get this, but I'll give you something, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, I'm ready.

[James Debo Harrison]

So I'm gonna give you an example. 2015. I know it's 2015 because I just came back out of retirement. 14. And I ended up signing another deal. So our first game, we're playing the New England Patriots, bro. Okay? We're playing them either a Monday night or Sunday night. I know. It was a night game, right? So we're playing them and it's like nine, ten o'. Clock. And I'm gonna ask you if you ever had this happen. It's 9, 10 o'. Clock. We get a meeting called, defense come down. We go down there and we meet and the defense is being changed. Not the whole defense, certain situations and all that. So I'm thinking It's maybe about 20, 25% of defense being changed. We've never practiced this. We've never done this. It's an idea that somebody came up with that it's going to work. Yeah, right? We get down there, I see what's cracking down, and I turn and I look to Butts. Butz is the D coordinator. Yeah. Keith Butler says to me, debo, come on, man. Don't say nothing. I'm like, bus, what is we doing? I've never. Oh, man, come on. Don't. Don't even say nothing, man. Got young guys, you know, you gotta keep the confidence up. I'm like, all right, I ain't gonna say nothing. And I will not forget this ever, bro. We proceed in the second quarter, bruh, where it's. I know.

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[James Debo Harrison]

And Doug, what a horrible call.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Sure, it was 00 because it was 00 in the first quarter. It's the second quarter and one of the adjustments that we made, we didn't get adjusted. And Gronk gets the ball for 20 and then another 15 or 24. Touchdown. Wide open. Nobody covers. Have you ever had an adjustment come through 7, 8 hours before game time that changes a major part of your defense before you go play?

[Joe Hayden]

I would say, I would say not Debo. I would say not never in history.

[James Debo Harrison]

And I was in year 13.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause you gotta put that, you gotta put that. You gotta put that stuff on film.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta put it on.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta get yourself some reps, walk through motions. Things change on the fly. So you know, you gotta get those reps in on that stuff.

[James Debo Harrison]

And like I tell people all the time, Butts is the greatest linebacker coach I ever had. And they, oh, he a Horrible D coordinator. He's da, da, da again, Joe. I don't know what bus was as a D coordinator. Some people get the title, don't get the opportunity to do the job. Like I said, it's far more things that could be said as far worse than that as, you know, things with.

[Joe Hayden]

Please, we gonna get. Yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

So as I, you know, as I said, brother, he is talking about something that he can't speak on. May never speak on. Matter of fact, I wanna. I wanna. I wanna go back, and I ain't gonna go back. I ain't gonna go back yet. But he's talking on something that he can't really speak on, but he wants. But he can't. He can't say nothing out of box. It's gonna look like snitching, hating, and all that other stuff.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

But, yo, he frustrated you putting me in horrible positions. I can't do what I need to do. Other people can't do what they need to do. If that may be the case, and we're not put in positions to win. You know, that's like, you get something, you know, you play a first half, okay, and you get out there and you come in the locker room the second half, and you like, yo, it needs to, you know, in your head, it needs to be an adjustment, and.

[Joe Hayden]

You get the, hey, y' all better do better.

[James Debo Harrison]

You got.

[Joe Hayden]

Right?

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta do better. You gotta make the play.

[Joe Hayden]

Gotta make a play.

[James Debo Harrison]

We can't make the play because it's not set to make the play. You need to make a defense that looks the same, which will cover that so that they don't know every time that we're in that look that they can go to that spot. Dude, Dick LeBeau was the greatest ever at doing that.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a Debbie. I don't think they realize, though, how much offensive coordinators, the defensive coordinators are playing chess. Like, they're setting stuff up. They're showing you things. They're showing you things. Defenses are showing you something just so we can do something else. Offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators, it's a chess mount. You're just not out there like this.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. This one, we're gonna go cover four. You know what I'm saying? They're really reasons and rhymes and reasons of why you call stuff trying to get somebody to set something up so you can eventually get. You know what I'm saying? Them looking this way and blitz from the other side. So, like, I think there's a lot of nuances to that part too, that people just don't. You just don't call a play and go out there and do it. We gotta be working for a reason and this is what we're looking for in this situation. So I think, you know what I'm saying, Queen could be speaking to some of that stuff, feeling like, I don't know, we're kind of doing the same. Maybe I just need a little more knowledge or. You never, never know.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Like I said, that's, that's where I, where's where I go with it. Because being in the situation you, being in the situation you like, yo, you know he's talking about something. You just don't know exactly what the something is that he's talking about. But it's along those lines.

[Joe Hayden]

It could be. Yes, it could be a. It could be a lot of somethings.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. And for, for me personally, unless I have a clear look at what I'm seeing on offense, I'm not talking about offense, but it's some things that we can clearly see on offense that needs to change. So it could be.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, so it could be. So they. You know what I'm saying? We don't know. We don't know, but we gonna, we gonna guess because he retweeted it. So we gonna talk about it.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question. No question. I guess some NFL agent says the big story this offseason could be the Ravens trading Lamar Jackson. Ain't no way, man. The biggest story of this offseason is going to be Lamar. This is going to be crazy. According to the Athletic, the agent love Minnesota as a under the radar destination. The vikings would send J.J. mcCarron. I don't want that.

[Joe Hayden]

J.J. mcCarthy.

[James Debo Harrison]

J.J. mcCarthy. Sorry, J.J. mcCarthy to Baltimore as part of a deal giving both quarterbacks a fresh start. I don't, I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I guess he could, he could because.

[James Debo Harrison]

They do actually have a good officer's line. But I don't, I don't trust, I don't trust in him.

[Joe Hayden]

Man. If they do that, they're bugging out.

[James Debo Harrison]

They tripping, they tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm trying to, I mean, end of the day, Lamar Jackson is special and I feel like if you, the, the thing you try to look for is a quarterback, a franchise quarterback. So I mean, if the Ravens get rid of him, I think that's going to be nothing but a come up for the Vikings for J.J. mcCarthy. I'm trying to figure out. And what else? Like you gonna have to get something else. Like you gonna get a Lot of things. So. I mean, if Baltimore did that. Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

That ain't no swap.

[Joe Hayden]

I would be geeked. No, they. I mean, I'm saying, how much. How much stuff you got to give?

[James Debo Harrison]

A lot.

[Joe Hayden]

Because I'm like, then you're not. That's not even swap. You just put J.J. mcCarthy for Lamar Jackson. The disrespect in this. In this. In the words when I'm reading.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, man, we need to find out.

[Joe Hayden]

What goofy agent said this, man, they are wilding out. I would love. Because if he put your name on it, if he gets out of the division.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, he can help us. He can't put his name on it.

[Joe Hayden]

That's gonna help us.

[James Debo Harrison]

Probably got other players that he representing, and then they might. They might go ahead and fire him. You know, talking about Lamar or something.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, we know, man. It could be Stefanski's agent, you know. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I think Lamar got his own agent, though. I think it's his mom. Yeah, that man got a self agent.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right, well, if we know it ain't his mom, because you said he got his mom. She. She. That's mama would have been like, hey, it's on me. Hey, I said, mama said I'm his mama. I say this. I put everything on my mama. If she said I'm gonna put it on her that way, I could say it without it being me.

[Joe Hayden]

Not yet. Yeah, that's what some of these dudes doing, you know?

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Do you think they're going to trade him?

[James Debo Harrison]

No.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Same.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't think they go trading.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James Debo Harrison]

But the style of play that he does as a quarterback is not conducive to a long career. I think they need to be looking at the future of trying to do something in the next couple years.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you always got to start having a backup plan, especially when your quarterbacks are mobile. Run. You know what I'm saying? Like, and.

[James Debo Harrison]

And you know how hard it is to get a quarterback that can do what Lamar does. So what you do is you kind of. You kind of pigeonhole yourself into having a certain kind of quarterback because you can't have two separate offensive, you know, setups for what it is that they do. Like when Huntley was out there, Bruh, he is a Lamar Light. Yeah. And to find that and be able to operate in that offense, the offensive coordinator can't put together to, okay, this is Lamar's and this is the backup guy. You can't practice both of them, he got to be able to do what your main guy do.

[Joe Hayden]

What's Malik? Whistle man from Green Beta. The backup quarterback. You seen him? Wilkins?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I like him. Like, that's a style. I'm like, look, squad.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Go get buddies.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. He been practice squatting it. You know, he's been sitting there doing it. You know, like you got something, that's something like what you got. But to have a quarterback that you could do to read option, all that other stuff, he. Dude, he ain't playing 15, 20 years. Read optioning.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

And what year is Lamar in?

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's gonna be eight.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right? And what we seeing now? Pull hamstring this and that. We seeing the injuries now. Like, he ain't, you know, he ain't. He ain't a running back that's built for this. He ain't a linebacker. He ain't a guy that's been. It's your quarterback.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

And he getting built to have, you know, physical combat every play. Like your running backs.

[Joe Hayden]

Is he playing this week?

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know if he's playing this week. I want him to play.

[Joe Hayden]

You want him to play?

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, bro, I told you again, the reason I want him to play is because I 100 believe that if he plays, they will not run. Derrick Henry 35 times we said the same thing. And he can't. He can't hit the gear that Huntley could hit right now and put teeth to the read options and everything else. Because the hammy that is not a hunted. Now it's back too. He don't want to get bombed on.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my gosh. And he got fumbled on while he was sliding knees back.

[James Debo Harrison]

Anything. Yes. Yeah. Dude, I'm trying to tell you, bro. I am what I would rather. This is the only time I would rather see Lamar Jackson. I do not want to see Huntley because they are going to lean on the run. Dude, how many. How many carrots did Henry have? Like 35, something. They still. They still gave. They still gave the other backup running back with another 10, 15.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just.

[Joe Hayden]

Just run. Just do it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like, that's, that's. That's that's physical. And, and. And Henry ain't no small back, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, I think though, for real, I like us to be ready though, because you know we gonna have to run, make them beat us with the pass.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, we need to be ready, right? I'm going to force you to have to pass the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Joey Jr. Samuel. They're going to be in, man locked up. Lock that weak stuff up out there. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

We are. Listen, we are. We ain't even. We can't even leave one free, bro, because that's gonna get Henry something else, dude. They putting seven, eight linemen, offensive linemen.

[Joe Hayden]

No for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Damn. Fullback is alignment. I'm telling you.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna have them boys in there, man. Sawyer her. Everybody. 95. Wake up. 97, bro. 97 go do what he do.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't. I don't. I just don't know what I'm get from him, bro. It. I do know he gonna give us.

[Joe Hayden]

He's gonna give us something, but he. Then he might. He might get back.

[James Debo Harrison]

He might get pushed back after to play, after play. He's not giving us what we need if they're doing that down in and down, out. Nah, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James Debo Harrison]

I see too much trying to swim over, get over this dip and dodge because he ain't got the anchor. I ain't. I ain't see. I. I ain't gonna even lie, bro. I ain't seen him hold a double yet. And that's. That's like. That's. That's what you got to do in the three. Yeah. They got to be able to anchor something. Drop your knee like. I don't even know. Only person I see dropping knees can. Maybe they ain't showing everybody else how.

[Joe Hayden]

Maybe I gotta show everybody got it. We gotta tell can is the technique to drop the need.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm not that right there is not. Yeah, but them getting rid of Lamar right now, that's. That's not conducive to having a chance. Unless. Yeah, you can't. You can't. Unless they. Yeah, I don't see. J.J. ain't it.

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[Joe Hayden]

No. Lamar. But he got to make sure, protect himself, brother, because you know, he's not getting.

[James Debo Harrison]

Can't protect yourself when you're doing what you're doing. That's. That's. That's what his game was. His game has been that since. Since he came in.

[Joe Hayden]

I know.

[James Debo Harrison]

He ain't been, you know, sitting the pocket, drop back, you know. You know, 25, 30, 30, 40 times a game, whatever it is, ain't. It ain't been that. And when they try it, it's forcing it. Like, do what it is that y' all been doing, man. I want to say, oh, Lamar can't pass. I don't give. He can't pass if he can't go in there and slang it every play. And do it. Do what? Helps y' all win. I think they was just reading their plus clippings too much, bro. Trying to make it. Make them.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you at the end of the day.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. 35 times. Lamargo carried about eight.

[Joe Hayden]

He gonna do what he got to do.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Don't try to outsmart yourself, man. Trying to make people happy and making it look good. You gonna mess around and lose and feel dumb.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, like. Like the. The fourth quarter of the last game that the. The. The Ravens ended up. You take.

[Joe Hayden]

You take out the man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, rotation ain't no rotation. The rotation is a game on the line.

[Joe Hayden]

We've been rotating. No, no, no, no, no. It's time to win.

[James Debo Harrison]

Put in big brother. You see what they did? You see what they did? This time when he needed a break. Come out after you. Good. You got your rest.

[Joe Hayden]

You.

[James Debo Harrison]

You fueled up. Get back in. What?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. I got personal water people for you, Derek Henry. Electrolytes and everything. Whatever you need.

[James Debo Harrison]

Whatever you need.

[Joe Hayden]

Whatever you need.

[James Debo Harrison]

They tripping, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You wanna go with your man Sauce Garden out here?

[James Debo Harrison]

Sauce, go ahead. What Sauce? What they. What they talking about? What's.

[Joe Hayden]

Sauce done Went off on his critics. And now posting. Posting deleted.

[James Debo Harrison]

Tweet.

[Joe Hayden]

He said, I'll go ahead and say. Hold on. I'll go ahead and say the real. Since nobody else will because it's me. Only get 32 targets. There are zero cornerbacks that only had 32 targets through 600 snaps. The only 22 targets through 7 games. I don't get targeted as much as 99.8 of other cornerbacks in the league. All right, all of that, he's. You can go on and read it.

[James Debo Harrison]

But only 50 of those get completed. Two touchdowns allowed. I was a. I was.

[Joe Hayden]

One was a bust of coverage.

[James Debo Harrison]

I was a busted coverage. Both of being both at the beginning of the year. Only 208 yards allowed all year. Who is he talking to? Just a fan.

[Joe Hayden]

He's talking to people. That is talking.

[James Debo Harrison]

Some receivers go for 100, you know, they're up.

[Joe Hayden]

They just be like, man, sauce ain't all that. Sauce ain't all that. So he just wants.

[James Debo Harrison]

Don't even worry about that, man. Listen, you never as bad. Coachable would tell us, you never as bad as they say you are, but you're never as good as you think you are. It's a. It's a middle ground there. It's a middle ground there.

[Joe Hayden]

And I would want to tell them this too, as being a corner. The eye in the sky. Don't Lie. And the people that matter are watching all of your tape. They know if you're getting targeted, know when you're getting targeted. They know what defense you're in, they actually are paying attention to. They know what you're doing, they know what you're supposed to do, they know everything. So when they're watching your technique and we're watching like, like all during the week, watching your stuff, the people that matter matter. The people that don't matter to you, you gotta just, they're irrelevant. You know what I'm saying? They people gonna say what they want to say. Cornerback is a tough position. Sometimes you don't want to get your name called. You just out there doing your job when you're not throwing it to you, you, quarterback's batting the ball and he's getting sacked. Your team knows. And the people that are watching like this, oh, he was going to throw it over there, but it's strapped, so I can't. So all of that stuff, it matters because you look at you, you still got the bag. You just went to Indianapolis. You're making 35, 40 million, $35 million a year. You're the highest paid corner in the league. People notice it. So you don't have to trip out on the dummies or like try to prove yourself to people that are talking crap about you because you got traded. You're making 30 something million dollars a year. You're one of the highest paid corners in the league. People that matter know what's up, you know what I'm saying? So don't feel like you got to prove yourself to the peons. That's just wasting your time. You're wasting your breath. They weren't the ones that traded for you, gave you 35 a year to play the cornerback position. So all the passive stuff, you know what you're doing, just stay locked in and keep making the main thing. The main thing. You can't try to impress the people that don't know what's going on. If you weren't, if they would have traded you and nobody wanted you, then you could be like, oh, oh, but like, look what I'm doing.

[James Debo Harrison]

I mean, I think, I think this younger generation, they're just a little too sensitive, man.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, for sure. Feelings get hurt, man. You want everybody to think you that, man. And people start talking trash about you like this. No, no, but, but look what I can do. We're like this, Trust me, the people that matter, we know what you can do, bro. Like, you ain't Don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

Don't even worry about it.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't worry about it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Worry about it, Joe. Yo. Super chats.

[Joe Hayden]

Super chat.

[James Debo Harrison]

Sell mo fun fo 5. Sell more food fund food oud. However you spell it, man. Listen, he donated $10.

[Joe Hayden]

He said he's a bum. He's a bum.

[James Debo Harrison]

He's a bum. Take. Send him his money back. You read it, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I see what it. Where's that man like the chats?

[James Debo Harrison]

Man, Brown's got 99 problems, but a squiller ain't one.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, that's what they came on here with, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

This man.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, man, look, see, you know what? This year, I mean, look, you as good. As good as your last game, Debo. So you know how my Browns people do sometimes. You gotta get on there, just pop, pop, pop off. Pop our stuff sometimes. When we came. When we came.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, like I said, the sunshine. I ain't gonna lie. I can't even say that no more.

[Joe Hayden]

No. Yeah, it's been a couple of these people. Come on.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, man, listen. You know what it is? It's that dirty air in Cleveland and the dirty water. Ra Dogs.

[Joe Hayden]

Shut your mouth.

[James Debo Harrison]

Walking around, that's your mouth at the mouth. That's about biting people.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, who we got Covenant Life.

[James Debo Harrison]

Got covenant life. Donated 40.

[Joe Hayden]

So, joe, you showed. You showed your afterglow looking like the second coming of d'. Angelo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Help.

[Joe Hayden]

Jesus is my nephew. Everything needs to be changed with Steelers. We haven't been good since they took away our ketchup. Wine, please.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, they took away the ketchup, man.

[Joe Hayden]

What's they changed. They did the ketchup. They changed the name of the stadium, man. The joint was high. It's Heinz. It's Heinz, man, but the.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, man, she's talking about. She's talking about Hines Field, where the ketchup bottles used to dump out.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

You get into the red zone.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Now, what's the name of it? Accurature.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I just say act. Go to the act. Accurature.

[Joe Hayden]

Go to the app. Go to the app, go to the act.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right? Yeah. Right? Yeah. What?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, let me see.

[James Debo Harrison]

Orange is my favorite color, but please don't disrespect the curtain. Oh, oh, yeah, but I understand you. Oh, but I understand your heart. What's the difference between a dirty tube up in a brown in the Browns?

[Joe Hayden]

One has a ring.

[James Debo Harrison]

One has a ring and the others don't.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, coveted life.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, coveted.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, all up on you.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't gonna get. Yeah, you Know I will have respect for my. Well, tell Debo stop disrespecting and then I'll.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, listen man. What it is coveted was hard on me. Y' all got a ring? You ain't got no rings. You ain't got a rings over there. I think.

[Joe Hayden]

I think. I think the show's about. I think. I think about time. Show about up. We got Friday.

[James Debo Harrison]

Are you sure?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Are you sure?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Are you sure? I don't know. Let me talking crazy, dude. Do they got. Do they got any more? Do they got any more?

[Joe Hayden]

No, Joe, we're out. We're out of here.

[James Debo Harrison]

No company.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't believe you covered. Was the homie until she just went hard.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, I appreciate you. I. That's. That's what. That's what a real life. Still a fan do. Listen, even though we lie, even though we lose, you can't just sit up there and disrespect. Come up here with the Browns on. Hehe haha. With dog bones and all that. Hey, listen here. Don't y' all forget Sunday Night Football. Let's go take a giveaway. Make sure you follow here. There. Debo. Joe. Subscribe. Yes, we together. Subscribe please. For your opportunity to win one of two sets of two tickets to go and see us in play. You.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not gonna say us. You're not gonna say us win. You would hit the lion tamer.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ah, yeah. Hey man, it's flying. I can't get to it. And they won't let me shoot it out the air. You know they won't let me shoot it.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, Debo. Don't be. Don't be scared now. It's time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen here. You know what birds you can kill as a varmin any time of the year? A raven.

[Joe Hayden]

Raven.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get ready on Sunday night.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's go.

[James Debo Harrison]

We go do.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's go.

[James Debo Harrison]

We want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Please, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like and subscribe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right back here on Friday. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Make sure you guys like and subscribe. We will see y' all here on Friday. You know what time it is. Let's get it.

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