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Deebo & Joe - Monday Night Football REACTION! Vikings SHOCKING comeback vs. Bears
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This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and here's my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing, man. Listen, I'm feeling a whole lot better right now. Last week was a little hectic, but I want to let you know, Joe, I got a hard out at 12. I gotta get my son to. To the hyperbaric chamber to. To heal him up, bro.
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Okay, Respect, respect. Look, my son today, September 9th, is my oldest boy, Joseph Ali Hayden IV's 9th birthday. He turns 9 years old today. I'm.
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Let's go.
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Come on, man. Happy birthday, Big Joey.
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Thank you.
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B
Shout out to you.
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Yeah, I was hectic last week, baby. I had two surgeries last week, bro.
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B
You had a lot going on. We both.
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Yes, sir. My, My youngest son had a surgery. Sorry. My oldest son had a surgery on Wednesday and my oldest son, he had a surgery on Friday. Like, it's like. It was crazy. Yeah. So my, My son James, he did like a slap tear in his meniscus.
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B
How was it going? How did the surgery go? How's he doing?
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Oh, it went good. It went good. And then my oldest. More. Sorry. My youngest son, he did. He blew out his, his labor menace in his shoulder. Dude, it's. It's crazy. Dude, it's. You know what, let me rewind this. So my oldest has had three surgeries in 14 months. Dude, God.
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B
Like, it is not the complications of the other surgeries.
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No, dude, you know what? This our show. To hell with it. I'm going somewhere else with this. So let's start back at the beginning. So my son, the oldest, he's playing ball his freshman year. Everything's going good. He gets into his sophomore year and you know, I like to take my kids with me out to AZ to train. So I take him with me out there. We come back his sophomore year, he, as soon as he gets back, he. He does like a high ankle sprain.
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Okay.
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So he sprains his ankle, he doesn't take the time to heal it and he goes back out there and he plays on it. So the second game of the season, he goes out there and he actually like tears two of the ligaments in his ankle and he blows his SC joint, his sternoclavicular joint. Right.
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B
Where is that?
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Dude, it's right here. It's right here. So we actually got lucky with that process because it went, it went anterior instead of posterior, I believe because if it went the other way, then, you know, you have a chance of it, like, hitting, like, his carotid artery, fucking jugular vein, all that stuff, right?
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Getting bad, right?
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It's getting. It's getting bad, right? I don't know that that is what has happened, you know? So he's on. He's not starting as a sophomore, so he's playing Saturday. And, you know, I see him, I'm like, dude, you can't move. Like, you need to go, you know, I need to take you to get in mri, right? And he's like, no, no, no. I'll be all right. You know, I don't. I don't want to get an mri. I don't want to miss practice. I don't, you know, I don't want the coaches, you know, saying nothing. I'm like, okay, all right, I'll let you make that decision. So as the season goes on, we don't know, like I said about the sc, and I had my chiropractor come in. My chiropractor comes in every. Every so often, and he's like, hey, James. Hey, man, you need to. You need to look at this. His SC is just circling. It's popping in and out. So look at it. He played after that, we don't know he did it. He thought he had a stinger. He's like, I gotta. You know, I got a stinger. Whatever. He said, I tweaked my ankle.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, you ain't tweaked your ankle. I'm like, you can't move. I'm seeing him Saturday. I'm like, dude, you can't move. Like, you. You. You looking bad. I told him, I said, you're looking like, son, you know? And I'm like, well, I'm gonna let you tough through it. You. You. You make the decision, you know? So after he does that, my chiropractor looks at it. He tells him, you know, you need to get it looked at. Him like, hey, we're going to get an mri, and while we there, we're going to get an MRI on your ankle, too, right? So we get to mri, come to find out he has a couple torn ligaments in his ankle and his SC is blown.
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We gotta get all that fixed, right?
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He's going to. He's going. He's going to need surgery, right? Well, what we don't know at that time is, like, how serious, like, it could have been. So he's trying to figure out how he can't get surgery. So we have to go to a thoracic surgeon. So a specialist, like, that's all he, you know, he really does. He really does. So we talked to him and you know, James really wants to continue to play. And he's like, dude, you cannot continue to play football if you do not get this fixed because it could, it could literally kill you. You know what I'm saying? So you know that now I think is right before the playoffs. So we're going, we're going into the playoffs to tell the coach, hey, I'm pulling him. He can't, you know, he can't play. He can't finish the season. You know, it's a game or two before the playoffs. They go into the playoffs, they get to the championship game, they end up losing their, their runners up. So by this time, we done figured out that James has to get this surgery. You know what I'm saying? It's no other choice. And it's a nine month time frame. So he done missed half sophomore year. He's gonna miss the whole. Yeah, he missed all of his junior year.
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Junior year.
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Okay. And, and now, you know, we know he has to get the thoracic surgery in July and he's gonna get the ankle surgery in September. So we fast forward. He done lost so much weight. Dude, he's 155 pounds by the time.
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How much did he start off when, how much did he start off when he first started?
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Not 190.
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190. Okay.
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So he done lost like 40 pounds, you know, of weight.
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Yeah.
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And by time he's able to get back into it, you know, we built, we build everything back up. We get, we get into it. And now he's 205.
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Oh, come on.
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So his first day. Right, right, right. So his first day of practice, now it's April, May. This is the first time he's been cleared to actually do any kind of real movement on his ankle. And he gets in, he's doing a little move and he feels something in his ankle, so he kind of, kind of walks it off. The coach looks at him and says, hey, are you all right? He says, you know, he said, well, if you can't do the drill correctly, don't do it. So that popped off. So I teach my kids don't say nothing to adults. Change went on ahead. If you got a problem, you come to me. So he got out of practice, he comes to me now he tells me this, and then he continues to tell me what he hadn't told me over the course of the last three years. See, I'm a parent, and I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna sit back, I'm gonna stay out the way, especially when it's football, because I don't want these coaches feeling some kind of way. Yeah. Know everything. All that other stuff. Right?
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Yeah.
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So I'm gonna sit back. I'm gonna do all that. So now he's telling me, from the time he was a freshman, basically, they've been. They've been saying to him, you know, hey, man, you need to toughen up. You need to go harder. You need to do more. All this other stuff. Right.
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Do they not know about his injury?
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No, no, no, no, they don't.
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So. So we can't blame. We can't blame. We can't blame. We can't blame for that. If they would have known.
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We can't. We can't. We can't blame them for that. But my kids are tough. I don't raise. I don't raise wussies.
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You've been saying you're going through. I can only imagine, James.
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Exactly. So the fact that you're even insinuating that, and it kind of upsets me, but I go ahead and I'm like, you know what? He's like, yo, I don't want to play no more. I don't want to play here. I don't want to be here. Like, I'm done, dad. I'm like, listen, let me go talk to the coach. I got to insert myself now.
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Yeah.
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So I sit down, I talk to the coach, and, you know, I let him know, like, you know, my son could have lost his life out there. Like, if that thing went the other way, we wouldn't have knew nothing. He could have had out on the field. And on top of that, my son tells me that he has an exit meeting with the equipment manager. And the equipment manager tells him, with my son knowing they don't know this, that he has to get this surgery that's going to end his whole junior year, tells him, you know what? I think you could have been. You know, you could have toughened it out. You could have. You could have did more.
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Oh, no. Oh, no.
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So. So I'm. I'm telling the coach this. We're going in, and I let him know. I said, you know, from this point forward, I will no longer be sitting back. I will be 100% active.
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I will be present.
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I will be. Yes, I will be present. So from that point forward, like, I was already going, I gotta work on this ankle every day because it's certain things that you need to do to make sure, you know, it. It goes right and you gotta floss it. It' the normal training room is not going to do for sure. They don't even know to do. So fast forward again. We get into his first game back his senior year. He ain't played in the last, you know, two years, basically. And he done missed half his sophomore, all of his junior. And now is game one. Dude, we get into game one, and I ain't gonna even lie. I ain't never told my son. He was. He was. He was good. But I was like, son, you was. You know, he was doing good. He was doing real good, dude. Now the second half comes and he goes to cut, and it's alignment on him. He's trying to make the tackle. He actually makes the tackle and his knee just bow. It bows out, right? So at that same time, he did his ankle, and it's sc. He told me his knee hurt, you know, so he just said it hurt, that I'm gonna come back to that. So he goes and, you know, I kind of see the next play, and I'm like, he ain't moving right. I know when my son ain't moving right. Two, three plays later, they called me like, hey, your son wants you. I come down there and he's like, you know, my knee hurt. I. You know, when I stepped it, it, you know, kind of went out. And.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, we're sitting there. I'm like, I don't know what to tell him, dude. I am. I'm at a loss for words, dude. I'm like, God help me. I need something. I just. It ain't got to be now, but I need something, you know?
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Yeah.
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So I'm sitting there, I get up, I go back into the stands. You know, the game ends. I go down, I grab his helmet, and he says, hey, dad, walk behind me in the line. I think something about to happen. I'm like, okay. So I'm walking behind my son in the line as they go do their thing, right? And you know how kids are. They. They mouth and talking back and forth. So I'm walking behind in the line. The AD grabs me, say, oh, hey, you can't be in the line. I'm like, all right, cool. So I move to the side. So as I'm moving to the side, kids, you know, they going back and forth. They kids, you know, your coaches, you get your kid, you know, you tell them, hey, kill it, whatever. Yeah. So as I'm walking through, I done got so far behind that my son can't see me. He About 20 yards ahead of me, and I see a grown man, a coach. He pointing. He's saying, that's him right there. That's him. I said, hey, who the you pointing at?
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Why?
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What.
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What was he pointing at your son for saying?
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He was the one that was mouthing off. And. And. And that's the. Basically, that's the one y' all need to go get. I said, dude, you ever pointed mine again? I. You know. Yes. I said, you're a grown ass man, dude.
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You.
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You go ahead and grab these kids. Let these kids mouth off. Get your. Get your own kids. Oh, he. He went to crickets. So now, oh, the AD is trying to get me to leave. They done got security and all this other stuff. So I go ahead and I walk back. So I still don't know what's up with James's ankle. Right? So, I mean, sorry. I still don't know what's up with James's knee. So we get back there, and he's. He's working his knee, and I'm looking, and I'm like, it's loose. I'm like, that ACL is loose. It's not. You know how you get that pop at the end? Yeah, it's not doing that pop. So, you know, I tell James, hey, go get dressed. You know, doctor said, I don't know. You know, he's gonna have to get it looked at, you know, so I'm like, james, go get dressed. So I'm like, doc, yo, that's loose, dude. He said, I can't say for sure that it's gone. He said they had another kid that actually tore his completes. Like, that was. That. His is totally. It was gone. Like, it was no question.
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James is. He couldn't say it for show. For show.
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He couldn't say it for show. It was a maybe. So I leave. And as I'm leaving, you know, James come up to me and he's like. He's like, dad, just tell me the truth. I'm like, son, I don't know. You know, if I knew, I would tell you, but I don't know. So we go and we get the. We go and we get the. We get the mri. Now, I ain't a doctor, but I play one sometimes, okay? So I'm. I'm sitting back there and I'm looking at the mri, and I'm like, dude, that's his acl. Yeah, I'M looking at. I'm like. I can see it, dude. I'm like, it's his acl. So he get out of the thing, and I'm, you know, I'm just preparing him, you know, I'm like, hey, I think from what I'm looking at, dude, it's your acl. And, like, that's, you know, we'll figure out what it is.
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We'll figure it out, baby.
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It's. It's. I mean, hey, you could just go. You're gonna have to pray on it, dude.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, everything you got to put it.
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I know right now. And God's time. It's not your assignment. It's gonna be God's time.
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Yes. No question. So, you know, we go back over after we get to mri, and they put it up on the screen, and I'm looking at it, and he sees it up there, and he goes and start looks. Looking on his phone, and he looks, and he's like, oh, yeah, it's gone. You know, and, you know, he ain't. He ain't lost it yet. He ain't lost it yet. So Doc comes in, and Doc is like, yeah, you know, he calls for the guy that reads it, and he's like, you know, what about this? What about that? And he's like, well, it's meniscus. It's a. It looks like a little. It's a slap tear on the meniscus and, you know, so on and so forth. And Doc's like, no, what about the. You know, what about the acl? He's like, yeah, it's. It's scarred up. It's healed, he said, which, like, it's scarred up and sealed. At some point, he. He. He tore his acl. It's scarred up in the hill. The same game that he told me his knee hurt, where he messed up his ankle and he messed up his sc. He actually did a partial tear of his acl.
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So, yo, your little man, bro, listen, all these injuries he's fighting through the Max is the gangster.
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So I go. And, you know, he's sitting over there. He's anxious, like, what?
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What? What?
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And I'm kind of giggling in my head because I know what's going on. I know what's going on. And the. When he finally just sat down and was like, yo, so this is what it is. You got a slap tear. You looking at maybe three to four weeks, and, you know, you could be back at it, dude. This dude dropped to his knees like he started. Yeah, dude, he hugged me, and I'm, like, laughing, but I'm laughing, crying. Cause I'm so happy, right?
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Oh, for sure.
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That's your best. Doc is like, what's going on? Are we okay? I'm like, doc, you know what? We. We are good, dude. We are real good. And, you know, at times like that, dude, like, I really lean heavy on the Word. You know what I'm saying right now? What I do is I actually send my son's scripture in the morning after I do my. My reading in the morning, you know, and the. The more I get into the Word, the closer and. And the more of a relationship I build. My Lord and Savior. I was. I was baptized and Lord and savior in August 24th, dude. And from that point forward, I can't. I can't. I can't think of anything that has given me more comfort than that, dude.
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You know, I love that.
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And. And for him, you know, at the time, I'm just telling him, like, yo, you know, you're being. You're being attacked right now, man. And this is not. This is not. This is not God. This is that way. He's trying to pull you away. He's trying. He's seeing that you're. You're getting closer, and he's trying to pull you away to get you to be like, you know what? This ain't working. No, it's working. You know what I'm saying? It's. It's always, yes. It just may not be right now.
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It may not be right now.
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Go through different things to build more faith.
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You know, it may not come when you want it. Yes, It'll be there right on time.
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No question.
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You know what I'm saying?
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So I say all that to let them know, man. So after that game, the. The AD sent out a letter. Like, the coaches, you know, the players, they can't be on the field anymore. I mean, well, parents can't be on the field anymore and all that other stuff, right? So, you know me, I gotta let them know I'm gonna protect mine at all cost.
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All costs.
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And as I said before, it's only two things that go stop me from protecting mine. That's God in the grave. He ain't never. He ain't neither one of them. I understand.
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Well, Debo, good news is, your good man is good. My young man is good.
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Yes, sir.
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And we got praise, and we got.
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Some good ball, and we got some football. What. How. How it go? I go. Faith, family, football.
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Faith, family, football. That what they say.
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Let's go. Let's get to the football, baby. We got. We got the Vikings, man. They.
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You know what?
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It ain't even the Vikings, man. It's another team that squandered something in the fourth quarter. Dude, I don't know what is going on with this.
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Like you, listen, you got the conspiracy.
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Theory trying to tell you, man. I'm trying to tell you, listen, man, I'm gonna give credit. I'm gonna give credit to J.J. man, like, you know, he stays to come back for the ages, you know. Yeah, but he got. He got some help, man. He got some help. You know what I'm saying? He's the first starting quarterback with a ten plus fourth quarter comeback in his NFL debut since Steve Young 1985, man.
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Yes.
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He's the only such quarterback since 1950 to do it. So on the road.
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Yes, yes.
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And he did it. But like 13 of 20, 143 yards. Two touch and he still had a pick to the house Bears. How did you lose that game, man?
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This. This what I'm trying to tell you, James. You're always going to have winners and you're going to have losers at the end of these games. You want to lead the stadium with a win. The Bears find out a way to lose. They find out a way to lose. I love Caleb. First drive. He looks amazing. He's scrambling around his line. Not getting too much potential, nothing.
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Ready to jump on the bandwagon. Who? He had me ready to jump on the bandwagon.
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It looked nice, right?
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What?
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Nothing that the Bears really do is on time. You know what I'm saying? Everything is ad living. He's moving, he's scrambling, he's getting around, he's extending plays. Nothing's really too simple for him. Drop back, boom. I'm chilling. Get the ball out.
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Everything.
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He's. He's running for his life and extending plays and making things go a little bit harder. J.J. mcCarthy, beginning of the game was not looking good. Through the pick six in the third, not looking good. But listen. But listen what I'm telling you. Listen what I'm telling you. The way that you just stay the float, stay a course. You, his coach, J.J. mcCarthy, and my good man Josh McCowan over there. Back up the quarterback. He was the quarterback for the Browns. He's now on the sideline. I think he might be quarterback coach there. The way that they made it simple for him. And when they went man to man in the fourth quarter, he started going to Justin Jefferson. He threw the ball to the Running back out of the backfield, Aaron Jones on the wheel route for the touchdown. And then he used his legs. I just love the fact how the Vikings, they didn't give up on him. He was not. Don't give me any stretcher to imagine JJ McCarthy played like Aaron Rodgers or any of those other dudes.
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But you said he did or you.
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Said he did not. He did.
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Not at all.
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Not even close.
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Hey, don't do that.
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Not even close.
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I misheard.
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I'm saying McCarthy, J.J. he did what he had to do to end up winning the game in the fourth quarter, they scored 21 points. He did those drives. I'm not at the beginning of the game. That was subpar. That was subpar for sure. But the Bears could have extended their lead. They could have won. They could have figured it out. But when it got to the end, when it got to the gritty, he scored three touchdowns when they needed to get those touchdowns and get out of the stadium. And the Bears found a way to finagle it and to lose it.
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So I got a question, dude. Them boys only had like a 7% chance of winning with 1:34 left in the third quarter. What was it? 17:16, brother.
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The fourth quarter. Fourth quarter, 21 points, brother. 21. So I just love. I mean, I'm not going to. I'm not praising, like, he played amazing. The first quarters were not all that in any stretch. He didn't do not 50 some yards, interception, a pick six. But in that four, that needed to be done. He did whatever.
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Whatever that halftime message was that OConnell told JJ, man, like, I want to know what he said. Like, listen, listen.
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He still came. He came out of half and still threw the pick six. Hey, you know what I'm saying? Great speech. Pick six.
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Boom.
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All right, we still good.
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Hey, listen, it's going to happen. You go out here, you go throw this pick six, and then you go take.
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Then you going to come back even better.
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For real, like, what's your best halftime speech you ever had? Or did you even need that?
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Oh, the best halftime speech I ever had that was in college by Tim Tebow when we.
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Dude, I hear that a lot.
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Tebow got words, Tebow got words, Tebow got bars. And Tebow mean what he say. And that's why I rocking with Tebow was on.
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He's like, look at me, look at me.
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We're gonna go the best 60 minutes for the rest of our lives. For the rest of our lives. That was the best pregame, the best halftime speech I've ever had.
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You thought, you thought, you thought them 60 minutes after that, y' all was just dead. That's all that mattered, huh?
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That's all we had. I was gonna give him all I had because I knew he was gonna.
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Give me all he had. Oh, no question. I think. I think. I think Tebow was like the coldest college quarterback ever. I mean, pros is something different. You know what I'm saying? That's a totally different. That's a totally different monster over there. Like, dude, Caleb, he just. I think he helped everything that they did, Dude. Like first quarter, fire. Second quarter, four, third quarter, fourth quarter, dude. I think the last three quarters, dude went what?
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It was a couple of passes in the fourth. I'm not gonna lie.
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12 of 20, 30.
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He was throwing great 27 something like. He shows flashes. He shows flashes all around of excellence. Scrambling, throwing it on the run, all different angles, putting the ball on. Needs to be. But like you said in that fourth.
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Quarter, he needs to be. Dude. He miss.
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I'm saying through the first three. Through the first three quarters, we saw all that he was diving. But then in the fourth, we saw Aaron throws just over people's heads. Things that you just. You just need to make those passes. And when I say that with JJ McCarthy on the fourth quarter, when he threw that wheel route to the running back, it was perfect because he didn't even throw it. Like, make him go run and get it. He's wide open. Throw it so he can catch the ball and fall into the end zone. You know what I'm saying? Like, just simple things like that is where Caleb just get the ball into their hands. A lot of plays he does do great. But then in the fourth, it just started looking like. I don't know what it was, but some passes was just flying out of his hands.
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A
Listen, man, how you gonna be the number one pick dude of your draft class? And now you done lost to everybody that came after you. Daniels, May and jj what are we talking about?
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B
Yeah, you're right. And he was the number one pick too. And I mean, I ain't gonna like the Bears. It's the Bears. Like you acting like the Bears.
- [24:56]
A
The Bears don't go to the Innovation.
- [24:59]
B
Organization if like, I don't. I don't really like what they doing over there.
- [25:02]
A
Man.
- [25:03]
B
They setting them up. They got them looking crazy. They had Trubisky out there looking crazy. They had Justin Fields out there looking crazy. Now they got Caleb out there looking crazy.
- [25:10]
A
Hell, they had the field out There looking crazy, dude. The field, yeah, they had the field out there. They up there stamping down the field, right?
- [25:18]
B
Patched up. Patched up. Like you ain't damn game. Like, bro, I don't know what they was doing.
- [25:26]
A
We had. We had a situation like that with the Steelers, dude. It was. I want to say it was like 2007, Miami. And it. Well, you know, they. They have, like, all those games playing, like, around that time and then pit plays on it. They had the high schools playing on it. So what they did is they. They resided the field, like, right after they had stopped the games on Saturday. And then it rained, poured cats and dogs, bruh. It was so bad. The punter kicked the ball and the ball hitting the ground and just stayed there just like that.
- [26:03]
B
Just like a golf shot. Like a.
- [26:04]
A
Go. Yes, dude. And then, like, when you would go to cut, dude, like, if this was my foot right here, bro, like, that thing would be all the way up on my ankle, dude, like, on my. Damn near close to my. My shin, dude. Like, my foot would be that deep into the. Into the mud when you was going to cut.
- [26:24]
B
And that was at.
- [26:25]
A
Where that was. That. That was a high field. That was a high field. They had resided. So what they did is they. I believe it ended up being. They soldered it for them, and then they couldn't get it removed, so they, like, kind of, like, sided on top and then poured rain, like, for the whole time, like, all the way through the game and all that. Like, dude, that was the worst.
- [26:48]
B
I was at the word. That was the worst field you ever played on.
- [26:51]
A
That's. That's the worst. That was the worst field I had ever played on, dude.
- [26:55]
B
Okay. Yeah, one. I mean, I played in Chicago a couple of times, and their field is. The grass is high and it's kind of patchy, you know, so that. That field is just not. I'm not. Not a fan of. Not a fan of the Bears field. I'm not a fan of turf. I mean, I like. I like turf. I like natural grass. So my favorite.
- [27:15]
A
Do that bother you when you go out there and you see, like, they ain't really taking care of the field? Do it. Do it affect.
- [27:20]
B
I mean, no, it doesn't affect me.
- [27:22]
A
I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you this right now. When I see the field ain't taken care of and it's like. It's like, muddy inside. I'm like, yeah, they can't run. That. That helps me. Like, I'm a power through it, I'm speed, guys. I'm gonna be able to catch they ass.
- [27:35]
B
Now I'm a cornerback. I'm a cornerback. My first thing I'm thinking about is my, can I fall? Can I break? So I instantly need to go get the seven studs.
- [27:45]
A
Yes.
- [27:47]
B
When we in the grass and you got terrible feel, I gotta go get them seven studs with them long. So I know my feet no matter what recording dude's always making fun of the seven studs. But if you're in the grass in the terrible field and you don't have on seven studs, you're not going to be sticking.
- [28:01]
A
Yeah. So when you're going, you stagger them things that give you that, give you that good grip. Stretch down on that big one on the front, small one here, two big ones here, and then your. Your small was in the back. Like you got to stagger them things, man. It makes it so much easier to grip and get onto that field. My coach, Keith Butler, man, he, he taught us that, man.
- [28:22]
B
Oh, yeah. But you know, bus was you making sure go put the seven studs.
- [28:26]
A
Yeah.
- [28:29]
B
You had butts get you some. Yeah, I had butts get you some seven studs.
- [28:33]
A
Yeah. You was there the one year.
- [28:34]
B
Yeah, I had butts for the show.
- [28:37]
A
Yeah.
- [28:38]
B
Love butts.
- [28:40]
A
Yeah, for sure, man. That's. That's. Dude, Butts is the best linebacker coach I ever had. I bet, like, I credit him with my career just as much as I credit Dick LeBeau. Without the two of them, there is no me, dude.
- [29:00]
B
Nah. Bussy was a great. Bussy's hilarious, bro. He's hilarious.
- [29:05]
A
Yeah. So let's get over here to that Sunday night loss with the Ravens. So that Sunday night loss for the Ravens was the seventh time since the start of the 2022 season that they have lost a game while leading by double digits in the second half. Dude.
- [29:21]
B
Wow.
- [29:23]
A
That's crazy, dude. They have blown 17 such leagues since John Harbaugh became the team's coach. Harbaugh acknowledged that number is too high and he said the team has to be really intentional when they find themselves in the position in the future. Maybe part of it is we're ahead. We're. We're ahead a lot and we have a lot of two point leads. I don't believe we need to really. I believe we need to really. What is say? I believe we need to really thoughtfully. What I can't see it. Make it bigger.
- [30:03]
B
They need to be thoughtful and protecting leads.
- [30:07]
A
There we go. I do believe we need to be really thoughtful of how we approach the situation going forward. Let's give it some time. Let's give it some thought. Let's give it. Let's give some thought to the play calling. Let's give some thought to the defense play calling. Let's give some thought to my mind, to our mindset. Yeah, it's everything. I told you. Y' all stop calling play plays. You. You started calling plays to try and run the clock out. The defense started playing soft, keep everything in front of you. And they mindset was gone as soon as they got that, what was it, 20 to 25 to 40 league. They just thought it was gonna be a. A pushover and take off. You only two scores away from actually losing the game if they make two two point conversions.
- [30:53]
B
Debo, you speaking. You saying. He's saying I don't. We need to be thoughtful in about protecting leads. No, you don't. You need to keep on doing what you was doing to get the lead. You need to keep on trying to score. Stop trying to play.
- [31:09]
A
Check word. Same thing is talking about right here.
- [31:13]
B
Play to win, don't play to lose. When you start playing not to lose, then that's when you lose. You got to play to win the game. You get up in the lead, don't start changing nothing up. Keep going hard, keep blitzing them. Don't make your defense get back and get all protective. No, you know what I'm saying. Keep blasting them, try to throw them out.
- [31:29]
A
Try to win by 40, right? Pile on, dog walk they ass.
- [31:35]
B
Soon you get to chilling, they gonna get to spanking you. It's such thing as momentum. And soon you let a dog get one bite on you, they're like, all right, bet. Now we getting. Now you in retreat mode. No, don't never go in retreat. Mr. Harbaugh, you have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson. Don't slow them down. Keep going. Keep going, keep scoring. That's the way you're going to protect your lead. Make it bigger.
- [31:55]
A
Yeah, that. Yes. That's the way you protect your league. You make it bigger. You don't sit there and hold on to it. This ain't like it's two minutes left and they ain't got no time.
- [32:03]
B
No, you gonna got a whole quarter.
- [32:04]
A
And y seen y' all just seen him go down there and get a field goal in less than 20 seconds at the end of the half.
- [32:10]
B
Get down there.
- [32:12]
A
Stop it. Stop. What are we talking about?
- [32:15]
B
What are you saying, man?
- [32:17]
A
Like, that don't make no sense at all.
- [32:19]
B
That's Why? I love Jim harbor, he's a great coach, but what he's saying out of his mouth right there, I just don't agree with. Like, just keep going hard. Like, we need to be thoughtful of protecting the lead. No, you need to be. Keep trying to murder, keep trying to score, keep trying to sack. Strip fumble. Keep trying to get more points.
- [32:35]
A
Yeah, I, I think just. I think he might have used the wrong word and he came back and said they need to change the play calling and all that. Thoughtful of protecting, you know, that's. That's more of like, yo, I'm gonna hold on to this. I'm not trying to get more. I'm not trying to make more, you know, that's like somebody that's like, you know, I'm, I'm. I'm just gonna hold on to my money. I ain't going invested and trying to make more of, you know, I'm just gonna protect it.
- [32:55]
B
Like it's gonna be safe right here.
- [32:58]
A
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not. No, I gotta. I gotta invest it into. Into something that's gonna make me more.
- [33:02]
B
Come on.
- [33:04]
A
So the fan who hit D hopping and Lamar on the helmet last night has been indefinitely banned from the Bill Stadium, according to Adam Scheffner. Yep.
- [33:16]
B
Keep your hands and your feet to yourself, fans.
- [33:21]
A
I still say they should have pressed charges on.
- [33:23]
B
I. I know what you're saying, Debo. You ready for him to get locked up?
- [33:25]
A
If they had did it, the fan would have went and pressed some charges.
- [33:29]
B
If he would have took off. If he would have took off on the fan first and just pushed him. Yeah, dude.
- [33:35]
A
Cardi B. Oh, yeah. Try to get her for 20.
- [33:38]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He would have. She would have for sure. He would have for sure.
- [33:43]
A
She was just saying some words to her. Wasn't even talking about whooping on her either. No, Just asked her what she was doing with some other, you know, other language to it.
- [33:53]
B
Yeah, well, like, I hope, I hope this less fans know your ass ain't gonna be able to come to no more games. You put your hands on people.
- [34:02]
A
You can still watch. You can still watch on tv.
- [34:05]
B
Oh, that's lovely though, Debo. I mean, you can't be present. This is gonna take you.
- [34:09]
A
You can watch on tv, drink and all that. Listen, I need more of a penalty, man, because we would get more of a penalty. I need them to get that same penalty, bro. We got the same penalty.
- [34:20]
B
They need about penalties. We speak about penalties, my man. He might not even get suspended for Spitting.
- [34:28]
A
What?
- [34:29]
B
Your man might not even get suspended for spitting.
- [34:32]
A
Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. He might not. When I think about it, my first start happened because Joey Porter spit on, I believe was William Green.
- [34:43]
B
So pre game, pre game, spit in Cleveland.
- [34:46]
A
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Pre game, spit, fight. All that peasy.
- [34:51]
B
Wild, man.
- [34:53]
A
Look, peasy. I appreciate you, baby. Give me my first start. That was 2004. Oh, yes. Got me my first start for sure. I really appreciate that.
- [35:03]
B
That was back in the day, huh? That was back in the day.
- [35:07]
A
What are you trying to say, Joe?
- [35:08]
B
Oh, my bad, og.
- [35:13]
A
I'm just feeling. I'm feeling some type of way. I felt like. I felt like. I felt like. I felt like an old. Like.
- [35:18]
B
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, photo. Yeah, that was dead. That was back before my time.
- [35:22]
A
Yep. Before you. Okay, Okay. I ain't gonna crash out. You know what I'm saying?
- [35:30]
B
Hey, what else?
- [35:32]
A
What else I got? Yeah. All right, man. Let me see what I got going on here. Take me where I need to be. So let's get it to kiddos, man. Kiddos. He reportedly is expected to be sidelined for multiple weeks after suffering a hamstring injury during Sunday's win over Seattle. Dude, that's wild.
- [35:57]
B
They gonna need him. They gonna need him. I mean, especially now. I don't know. I hope Christian McCaffrey stays healthy this whole season. Cause that dude is a baller once he's on the field. But if they lose Kittle, we need more.
- [36:10]
A
McCaffrey, you know what? He lost two weeks. He lost two games last year with a hamstring. You know, these guys that like. Yes. Soft tissue injuries. I don't think they understand. It's like a. It's a muscle imbalance. It's either for him, he's probably. He's doing hamstrings. He's probably a guy that's quad dominant. If you strengthen his quads and get them closer to the. The balance. Yeah, the balance of his hamstrings. He won't. He. You know, he won't. He won't pull quads and, you know, especially, like in the first, you know, couple weeks of the season, you get a lot of guys with soft tissue injuries, and it's just, you know, either imbalance or it's a. A combination of an imbalance with fatigue. Because you got these guys, like I said, you get in the preseason, nobody really plays in the preseason at all. You know what I'm saying? You'd be lucky if you get. You know, 10 snaps in the preseason game now, right? Then you go out there week one, and even the reps, like you said, you get, they're not 100 miles an hour. And then you go out there week one, and you tell your body, hey, I need you to give me 40, 50 reps at 100 miles an hour.
- [37:18]
B
For sure right now.
- [37:20]
A
Yo, what's, what's going on? And then they wonder why they get these soft tissue injuries. And a lot of guys don't train like that anymore, you know, like, you know, when I train, people are like, james, why are you sitting up there pushing a, you know, a 2,000 pound sled? I'm putting that tension on my Achilles. I'm building up to that. I'm, I'm making sure I'm getting that. Like, I don't start at 2000. I built up to that through the course of, you know, my training, so that when it comes time to actually do that and press on it, it's used to it. So it's not gonna just go and, you know, give out on. Yep.
- [37:55]
B
They act like you pushing on them linemen, like leaning on them. That's 2,000. You trying to get them up off you and you want. Ah, that's a lot. That's a lot of weight.
- [38:03]
A
Oh, they're thinking about putting my. The, the temporary hour where you got to be out at least four weeks. What is that on Kittle? Yeah, Yeah, I guess. The Ian Rap report reported the Kittle will likely be sidelined three to five weeks. You sure he ain't tear that thing? That's more than just a little strain.
- [38:28]
B
That's definitely more than a strain. That thing off the bone.
- [38:33]
A
No. Yeah, man. You try to get the man all the way out.
- [38:40]
B
No, I'm not trying to get him out, bro.
- [38:44]
A
Ball.
- [38:45]
B
No, I hope, I swear, I hope it's not. I want him to be okay. I want to come back as soon as possible.
- [38:49]
A
Oh, no question.
- [38:52]
B
Did you know, a few weeks with a little hammy.
- [38:55]
A
You. Hey, you ever pulled a hammy?
- [38:57]
B
Yes, I did. I did. And it was how long? I was about. I was about three weeks. Three weeks? Yeah, Three weeks.
- [39:05]
A
Yo, so I don't, I don't. I don't think nobody knows this because I've never told anybody. So when I jumped over Ladanian Thomas in San Diego, that was another spot start I got like in. Was that 2004? That might have been the same year I. I pulled my groin and I didn't miss no time. I just kept playing through it.
- [39:32]
B
Diva you were crazy.
- [39:35]
A
Hey, I just got soft tissue work. I got. I got some acupuncture. I got some dry needling, dude, and I just kept going with it.
- [39:42]
B
I tried that. I played on the strain groin for two weeks, but then my joint. Actually, I had to get surgery on both. Both sports. Hernias.
- [39:50]
A
Both.
- [39:50]
B
Both groins. Double sports, aren't you joint.
- [39:54]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That wasn't. You must not. You must not have been really doing the. Doing the. The care. The soft tissue work with the actual.
- [40:03]
B
I was doing all the crazy work until it happened, and then when it happened and the other one happened and then the off season. But it's my. It was good. Once I got surgery on them, I was solid until now. Until I retired. Now my left groin acting a little crazy, but I don't need to get from 0 to 60 in full speed right now, so I'm still solid.
- [40:22]
A
Dude, I'm trying to tell you, when you retire. Listen, bruh, I don't have most surgeries since I got done, and I did while I was playing, bro.
- [40:30]
B
Nope. I'm not letting. No, bro, that's the car. That's why I had to get up out of there. When I got up out of there, I started being like, man, if I keep going, I might be a little messed up where I can't run and move the way I want to. So, I mean, it was right around this time. That's why I still got my left groin. My left groin is still not to 100%. Like, I can't do certain stretches. You know what I'm saying? Just normal stretches. But I can make it shake, you know what I'm saying? Like, if I had to play another year, boy, I might need to get another whole surgery for sure.
- [41:01]
A
In my groin. I felt that same way about my back, dude. And then through the process of actually doing this go sound crazy, dude. Doing a food sensitivity allergy test, I ended up finding out, like, I was severely, severely, like, allergic to eggs. Not to where I would blow up, but to where my body had a inflammatory response. Yeah. So after I. You did the all cat?
- [41:31]
B
Yes, brother, I need fork and pears.
- [41:34]
A
So after I. After I did that, you know, my doc had been telling me for a minute, like, yo, my natural. Like, you need to stop eating this day eggs. Stop eating eggs. Stop eating the eggs. I'm like, dude, that's the only thing I eat. What else I'm gonna eat? I'm eating, you know, a dozen. Half dozen and a half eggs a day. So at that Point, you know, to get out of bed, dude. You know, after the two back surgeries, I'd be on my, you know, hands and knees just sitting there, warming up and then go hit the shower and then, you know, take off the. To practice. And I finally listened and I stopped. And within like six months, all of a sudden, I was popping out of bed, dude. Like popping out of bed, just going. And I'm like, energy.
- [42:14]
B
So you're not normally. You wasn't normally a morning person eating all them eggs?
- [42:17]
A
No, no, no, it wasn't. I had the energy, but it was the, the inflammatory response on my back that was killing me where I had to warm up and start getting things moving and get that, get that inflammation out of there. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, oh. I'm up and rise. I'm a three o' clock dude. Every three I get up, I get up every day. Well, not every day.
- [42:37]
B
What time do you go to sleep, Debo? What time you go to sleep? You waking up at three.
- [42:40]
A
You guys, I'm telling you right now, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's murdering me with these night games, bro. Like, it's murdering me with these. Now I'm getting like two, three hours of sleep, hitting the gym, coming back through, doing everything I need to do, but. Yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah, I just. Some days you for. Well, actually, I only need. Probably like, I'm a. I used to be a 4 to 6 guy, probably more like a 5 to 6 guy. But I could function a good week and a half, two weeks on, you know, three to four, so I'm good. It's only a couple days and then I'll get some sleep. I'll get some sleep tomorrow, so. Okay.
- [43:18]
B
Okay.
- [43:20]
A
Yeah, I get to sleep in till five. You know, that's sleeping in to me. So come Saturday and Sunday, I sleep until 5. Monday through Friday is 3 o'. Clock. And it keeps, yeah, it keep, it keeps going from there, brother.
- [43:32]
B
I'm probably, I'm like, I'm like six o'. Clock. I'm always up at six. I got the kids and everything. So I'm probably up six o' clock every day.
- [43:40]
A
Even, even, Even on Saturday.
- [43:42]
B
Sunday, Sunday we got church. So, you know, I'm up, I'm up at 6:00 clock on it. But Saturday, I might try to sleep in. But the kids, they don't, they, the alarm clock, they gonna wake up, like, especially on Saturday. They want to act like they won't wake up. Know they don't got school so they don't care. They might wake up at five, they ready for whatever on Saturday.
- [44:01]
A
Man, how your kid is young, huh?
- [44:03]
B
My kids are 9 and with my boy just turned 9 today, and my boy Jet is a 6, man.
- [44:10]
A
My youngest, that dude would get 16 hours if you let him, I promise you. Dude, like my brother kid, he just sleep king, man. Like, he will. He. He. This dude will come home from school, go to sleep and won't wake up until he gotta use the bathroom. And if he got homework, he'll wake up like. Like five o' clock before he gotta go to school to get it done. Like, dude.
- [44:41]
B
Oh, he's sleeping and sleeping, dog.
- [44:43]
A
This dude sleep, sleep.
- [44:45]
B
Oh, that's.
- [44:46]
A
And then when he don't sleep, sleep. You could. You could. You could find him, you know, three o' clock in the morning up there with the headphones on.
- [44:57]
B
What are you doing with the headphones on, man?
- [44:59]
A
He playing the damn game on the sticks.
- [45:01]
B
Okay, dude, he okay.
- [45:02]
A
You know, he wanted them. He wanted those. What's the computer games they play?
- [45:06]
B
Dude, they got these Fortnite.
- [45:09]
A
I don't know, man. Yeah, they got these computers cross across the arm and the leg and.
- [45:15]
B
Tell me about it. My little boy. They just got the iPads right now, so they. I'm chilling. I still don't got no gamer systems for them, but we got the PS5, but we just do the 2K, you know what I'm saying? In the mad. Maybe a little FIFA, okay? You know what I'm saying? None of the crazy games yet. Gran Turismo, maybe, you know what I'm saying?
- [45:35]
A
Car games.
- [45:35]
B
My boy Joey's what's Grand Tourismo, dude. Gran Turismo, bro. We got the racing car simulator game with like the driver and the gas pedal and the. And the shifters. Grand.
- [45:45]
A
It's a whole setup.
- [45:47]
B
It's a whole setup. You can get a whole setup. I got a whole cage like I'm riding a nascar.
- [45:53]
A
Yeah, you got. You got to show me. I'm show you that I'm a driver, you know what I'm saying? I got my cdls, you know what I'm saying? Okay, if you. If y' all need somebody out there, I got. I got passenger endorsement ready. So I'm a class B driver. I. I could drive school buses, you know? I was thinking about driving the school buses, you know what I'm saying? Go ahead and tell them kids. Sit your ass on down now.
- [46:18]
B
You probably scared to have you with my bus driver.
- [46:22]
A
Hey, listen, for real though, this is what I was thinking about doing. I. I don't even know if they would have let me, but I wanted to. I wanted to go and be the driver, like, of one of my son's buses, like, one time and, like, had him. Had me be right there.
- [46:37]
B
Yeah, that's your license. If you got the cdl.
- [46:39]
A
I got past your endorsements.
- [46:41]
B
Go that, talk to the bus driver, he'll sub you in. Boom. You saw me right in. Boom. Hold it down.
- [46:48]
A
I did all that, like, in college, dude. I got my cdls in college, so.
- [46:52]
B
Oh, that's smooth.
- [46:53]
A
Yeah, I was. I was a bus driver before, you know, I had set out. What I didn't sit out. I had to. I didn't have to grades to be eligible. I was a Prop 48. So you know how you. Well, I don't even know if y' all had prop then. You're a little younger than me, so.
- [47:08]
B
Yeah.
- [47:09]
A
You couldn't do nothing with the. You couldn't do nothing with the team. They didn't pay for your education or nothing. You just went to school.
- [47:14]
B
Oh, okay.
- [47:15]
A
And then I messed that up, so now I had to pay for another year.
- [47:21]
B
What did you. Yeah, now.
- [47:22]
A
And then the coaches changed. Yeah. I ended up walking on at Kent.
- [47:27]
B
State with my good man Josh Cribbs at quarterback.
- [47:31]
A
Sir. Well, he came in my senior year, Josh, like, younger than me.
- [47:36]
B
Okay, Debo, you just putting years on yourself, right? You a grown man, Debo. You don't care.
- [47:43]
A
You look. You look.
- [47:44]
B
I told her. I thought. I thought she was. I thought you was like 42.
- [47:49]
A
Nah, nah, bro, I'm. I'm closer to 50 than I am before.
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B
That's what I'm saying. Closer to my. I'm 36.
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A
Closer to what? You started there, huh?
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B
Closer. Close to my dad's age, Debo. I'm not gonna lie. I think you might be a little bit closer to my dad age than me.
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A
How old is your dad?
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B
56.
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A
How old are you?
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B
36. Yeah, I think you might be nine years. I think you might be closer to my.
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A
Hey, man, you need to watch how you talk to your elders now.
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B
That's why I've been talking to you.
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A
Show some respect before I call your daddy and tell him, go ahead over there and whip your ass, boy. Oh, do your stupid. You stupid. Oh, man.
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B
No, but for real, though, you is a little closer to pops than me. Probably just about one year. But look, all right, but.
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A
But do your dad turn 57 this year? He.
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B
No, he just. He turned 56 this year.
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A
Do you turn?
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B
I turned 37.
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A
When?
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B
April 14th.
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A
All right. I ain't tripping.
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B
All right, look, Debo. So, yeah, you close to my dad, to me. We got that established. Let's talk about Russell Wilson.
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A
Hey, he's still starting.
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B
Definitely.
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A
He's still starting. But like, you know, like you were saying, he getting, he's getting, he getting another week. He getting, he getting close to, you know, if you don't, if you don't do something, he getting close to. Go ahead and. But you could be sitting back there like.
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B
But like you said, Odibo, they don't want to throw out the new man and just get him beat up because Russell Wilson was running for his life out there. So we don't want to throw out the new guy, Jackson dart, who we got. We don't want to throw a new quarterback out there and then he just starts getting hit just like Russell was. So we want to put Russell out there, the vet, you know what I'm saying? So he can try to, try to just be able to get the line blocking for him. Because you don't, no matter who's back there, if you switch out Russell and put the other guy, he's going to keep getting hit. So at the same time, you don't want to put your rookie quarterback out there in a situation where you know he's not in a position to win and at least not this early. It's only game two. Like, let's see what Russell can do with this offense build, try to get Malik Neighbors into the game. You know, what you got there. But protecting the quarterback is thing one. And Russ is a vet, so I wouldn't throw my young dude out there to be getting hit upside the head.
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A
This early yet, you know. You know, like Russ even, you know, when he was with the Steelers last year, you know, he gets a, you know, when he get a little unsure, he, he'd rather, he'd rather throw it closer to it being out than it being in. Especially, you know, when you got those, those, you know, defenders close to him and it's like a, you know, one of those sideline throws. Yeah, I, Yeah, I didn't especially, like, as it got deeper into the season, I started. I started noticing that, or at least that was my view of it. You know, what would you. What was your view of it?
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B
Did you. I like the way, I mean, the one thing that Russell was doing that I did kind of like, at least he was giving the receivers opportunities. I mean, just throw that. He threw some good fade balls to George when he was there and that's what.
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A
Yeah, but it was some that just like, yo, you didn't even give him my opportunity. It's just totally out of bounds.
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B
I know, I know, I know. So I mean that was the thing. I mean normally he does look. Normally that's his best. That's his best pass he throws is the go ball and he gives the dudes ops, but I don't know. He was throwing them out of bounds sometimes. It just, it didn't look, it didn't look Russell like, hopefully he doesn't do that. Like I saw in this.
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A
It didn't look Russell like I ain't. Like I said, Russell was a good dude, but Russell been looking Russell, the Russell that we looking at. He's been looking like that. What, since Denver? Yeah.
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B
No, but at this like, like I said too though, he didn't look two like. This is the. How you gonna say the man if you don't have no time to throw the ball? How you gonna grade a man?
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A
Hey, like you, you time to throw the ball. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He was getting that thing out of there. Very little time to throw the ball. He made this, he made decisive decisions. Yeah. Fall out when he needed to, like play calling.
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B
Play calling.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Put our people in position to win. Can we give Russell some, some options where he can get it out faster? We got deep. We got deep routes.
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A
Why are we. Okay, is he not getting it out faster or is he just holding on to it for fear of it being a pick because he's unsure?
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B
Could be both. Could be both. There's two ways to skin a cat.
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A
That's. That's for sure. But I mean to say, I mean he's a veteran quarterback. Like.
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B
Yeah.
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A
If nothing else, you should be able to just see it. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
I think right now they gonna, at least they're gonna keep him in there, give him another shot to do better before they put dart in there. Because if they put dart in there right now.
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A
I don't, I don't, I don't. I'm gonna be honest, dude, I don't see him putting dart in there until like they done. They don't want. At least I'm with you like three fold deep. Like you can't. Like you said, he's, he's being pressured. Your, your rookie quarterback is not going to make more decisive decision unless he is. You know, actually the maker can see it better is more decisive with it. But you know, you start getting into games where you got these D coordinators, you get this rookie in here and what's the first thing they do? You start throwing everything at, you know, everything in the kitchen sink to confuse them. You know, you disguise it, you know, you, you, you're going to do different things. Like when you know Coach LeBeau, we would play a rookie quarterback, dude. Oh, our disguise game is on point and you're trying to confuse him, you know, every which way.
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B
No, I get that, I get that. But at the same, I mean, Jackson Dart, he, he could, he could be better. Like he didn't look, he didn't look bad. I mean obviously it's the preseason, but he was throwing the ball. He's getting it out of his hands fast. They picked him before he was a. He was. What was it first. What round did Dart go in?
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A
Was it first round?
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B
I think it might have been the first round. Yeah. So he was definitely went before Shador. So they seen something in him. Yeah, but I just not too big on the Giants. So it's kind of like, I mean, Dart's back there, Wilson's back there. It's going. Hopefully they, hopefully they.
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A
Is the head coach new in New York in Giants.
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B
Is it Daybo, Brian, Coach Debo?
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A
I don't know. I don't know him by.
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B
He was my, he was a coach for me. I think he was an offensive coordinator for the Browns when I was there in Cleveland.
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A
So he, he, he drafted. Well, yeah, obviously he drafted dark. Listen, at some point everybody go start having to think about, you know, making sure they, they protecting their job and the decisions that they made in drafting this person. First rounder is supposed to come in and contribute to the team that year. Right? That's why you put them first.
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B
I think quarterbacks are a little tricky. Any other position besides the quarterback? They supposed to be instant starter baller. And the quarterback, even if he's not ready, you're projecting if you draft him in the first round that he's going to be a franchise quarterback. That's what I'm expecting. If I draft the quarterback in the first round.
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A
I don't know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking he might get a crash course, so to speak.
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B
And yeah, it might have to happen for sure because if Russell keep getting hit like this like they was. I was looking on Instagram, I gotta, I'm gonna pull up some clips. When they show like this, like, oh, they, they want Dart to start because nobody, they just had free runs at him a couple of times.
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A
Okay.
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B
I don't like it.
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A
So before we get out of Here we got our first super chat Joe.
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B
What super chat?
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A
Big old Head Donate Bag. Bag on Head donated $5 and said, James, I was at the Dolphins game in 2007. The field was horrible. I think John Beck played quarterback for Miami. Score was 3 to nothing. Steelers, right? That sound right? That does sound right.
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B
That good, man. There we go. What's his name?
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A
I think that was Bag on Head donate. That's. That's just. I guess that must be his. His chat name. His chat name is Bag on Head. Why you a bag on Head, man? You a Browns fan?
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B
Oh, man, I hope. I hope.
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A
Shots fired. You can't call me old. Think I ain't gonna shoot back. Can't call me old. Think I ain't gonna shoot back.
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B
No, no, no.
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A
That's my mama's son.
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B
Your Willie son will play that.
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A
Man. Danny John donated $2 and said, Fellas, Steelers just signed Julian Jabba Peppers. No, they didn't, did they? Jabril Peppers. They signed him. Are you serious?
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B
Oh, that's nice. I played with Jabril in Cleveland when he got drafted there. That's a football player.
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A
Yeah, but where did he play? That's the big thing. Like. Like, where he.
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B
It don't matter. I mean, like, we could have him at safety. We could have him at safety or. Or slot. Nickel or. Yeah, either strong. Whatever. Whatever. Opposite where Jalen's at. Slide him down. He could blitz. Nickel back or safety. Nickel safety. Nickel safety for sure.
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A
Nickel safety. I say safety. I know about nickel.
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B
Only reason I say nickel. Just. He's gonna be. He can cover tight ends and he can blitz. He's a tackler. Like the way we use Mike Hilton. Like, still, let's use Jabril. Like Mike Hilton. I'm not that. That would be nice. He's tackling, bro. That's the one thing. Like, we need some people that's in that joint filling up some of these holes.
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A
Hey, man, you know Bag On Head, he a Dolphins fan, bro. Ain't donated, bro. He donated five. Dude, we can't. You know, I mean, everybody got their faults, you know, you. I mean.
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B
I'm here for it.
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A
I'm. Yeah, yeah, it's okay. You know what I'm saying? Appreciate it. I appreciate the information, though. I think that was a three nothing game. Or was it three to six?
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B
I got one. I got.
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A
I got somebody gonna check that out.
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B
I got somebody gotta check that out. But I got one. I got something I want to talk about.
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A
Right? Oh, hold on.
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B
What time we got? Oh, it's 1201.
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A
Keep going. I got. I got it.
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B
Last one. NBA MVP. Shay goes. Alexander says that there's no way he could play in NFL. Which NBA players do you think could play in the NFL or. And vice versa. Who you think, James?
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A
Ooh, you know what, man? I would want to say that somebody could, but they so tall, man. You go get cut down.
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B
Only reason why I'm saying is, like, I think so say.
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A
But.
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B
But say six. How tall is the. How tall was Jimm Graham, tight end, when he was playing for the Saints? He was like, six, seven. Six, seven. Okay, so I'm looking at. You put Braun at tight end at 68, 260. I don't know, like, you know what I'm saying? Megatron was 65250. Like, and then just depending on. I think Bron, I think Braun could do it for show. I think even. I think maybe Anthony Edwards might be able to do it and play safety or something, because I just like his aggressiveness. If Derrick Rose played football, I think Derrick Rose might have been able to do it. I know AI would have been able to do it.
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A
Yeah, he did it.
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B
He did it. He was number one in both. He could have just went.
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A
Yeah, he went the right way, though.
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B
Yeah. And then with basketball, who do I see that could play in the NBA, that plays in the NFL? Maybe. See that? See that? That's gonna be the tough part because we're gonna need like a. They're. They're tall, so we gonna need somebody that's like a wire. Like, somebody like, can, like, could Calvin play shooting guard? You know what I'm saying? 65250. But then he has to be good at basketball.
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A
Hey, it's probably a quarterback.
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B
It's gonna be a quarterback to run the one or.
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A
I don't know what they gonna run, but it's gonna have to be a quarterback because these quarterbacks actually be good at shooting the ball because they. I'm just telling you, like, you ever. You ever seen Ben play basketball?
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B
Yeah, he can shoot. He got tray ball. He got tray ball.
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A
Yeah. And you know who else, dude? I take it back. Keezel, dude. Brett Keisel. Young Brett Keisel, man. I think Brad Keezel was McDonald's All American back in the day in high school.
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B
Terrell Pryor.
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A
Okay.
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B
Terrell Pryor.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know what? I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna throw. I ain't gonna throw my. You know what? No, no.
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A
You gonna throw yourself in there.
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B
I'm gonna throw my hat in the bucket.
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A
No, no, no, no. Don't do that.
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B
Yeah, bro, you know who I'm guarding? You know what? Look at. I'm. I'm gonna be out that thing like.
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A
Hey, man, we want to thank y' all guys for joining us because you're about to sit here and tell us some lies, man. Thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Man, Hit the like button and subscribe. Don't want to miss nothing, man. Please don't. This is an I heart podcast.