Deebo & Joe - NFL Playoff REACTION: Pats stop Chargers, Eagles FLAME OUT vs. 49ers, Bills beat Jags

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe: NFL Playoff REACTION

Episode Date: January 12, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

Deebo and Joe, two former NFL defenders, react to the most exhilarating NFL playoff games of the weekend: 49ers vs. Eagles, Patriots vs. Chargers, Bills vs. Jaguars, plus a sharp look at Bears-Packers. Their discussion is candid, animated, and peppered with player insights, humor, and challenging breakdowns of plays and coaching decisions. The hosts dissect what went right, what went wrong, and where teams (and individuals) fell short, keeping it as real as it gets.

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1. 49ers vs. Eagles: Eagles’ Flame Out

Full Segment: [2:07–34:59]

Key Discussion Points

• Opening Drives:

  • 49ers strike early with explosive plays from Purdy to Robinson (58+ yards), followed by McCaffrey and a touchdown pass to Robinson.
  • Eagles respond with a solid drive capped by a Godert TD, but critical missed extra point (05:15).

• Game Flow:

  • “We about to have one of these games where it’s just … I’m driving, scoring, looking right. Then old boy missed the extra point. So I’m like, all right, cool.” — Deebo, (05:14).
  • Both teams exchange defensive stops, settling in after the opening salvos.
  • Barkley and Hurts dominate the Eagles’ next long touchdown drive, showcasing power running and crucial Tush Push successes (09:41).

• Injuries & Adversity:

  • 49ers lose Kittle to a suspected Achilles injury:
    “I text you as soon as he stepped down, I’m like, dude, he tore his Achilles…You know, when you know—you know.” — Deebo & Joe (11:14).

• Missed Opportunities & Mistakes:

  • AJ Brown’s drops highlighted as pivotal, especially a deep ball he "has to have" (13:33).
  • 49ers forced to punt after sacks and incompletions; Eagles see penalties push them backward (13:15).

• Critical Plays & Turnovers:

  • 49ers’ Robinson and Jennings step up with clutch first-down conversions. Both Purdy and Hurts make risky throws; Eagles’ offense becomes "real vanilla" and basic (07:09).
  • Multiple turnovers: Purdy throws two INTs (22:46), but Eagles’ offense can’t capitalize.

• Second Half Shifts:

  • Notable discussion on special teams errors including a bewildering Eagles punt return fair-caught at their own 4-yard line:
    “You’re putting yourself in position to lose. You could have get the ball at the 20 yard line and you’re fair catching the damn ball at the four. I was so mad.” — Joe (16:30).

• 49ers’ Offensive Creativity vs. Eagles’ Predictability:

  • Praise for Kyle Shanahan’s playcalling (Jennings’ 29-yard TD pass to McCaffrey at 20:43):
    “That’s playcalling. That’s what I’m talking about…He threw a dot!” — Joe (20:46).

  • Eagles’ offense criticized for lack of creativity and poor execution:
    “They running basic plays, the same plays over and over again…It’s no creativity.” — Joe (28:31).

• Key Stats & Recap:

  • Eagles’ dropped passes: 4 on third down—their most ever in a playoff game (29:57).
  • Defensive breakdowns and failure to sustain drives in the red zone doom Philly.

Notable Quotes

• “I kind of count on Purdy to get an interception every game…I just feel like he gonna throw a pick every game.” — Deebo (31:55)
• “When you can start scheming people open, also with the talent you have, that’s going to make it a whole lot easier. That’s why…I look at the 49ers.” — Joe (32:16)
• “A.J. Brown, you’ve got to make those plays…But schematically too, you guys, you can do a way better job putting them in position to win.” — Joe (34:08)

Timestamps

• Key Opening Drives & Missed XP
• Kittle Injury
• Special Teams Blunder
• Creative Playcalling: 49ers
• Final Defensive Stand

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2. Patriots vs. Chargers: The Pats Clamp Down

Full Segment: [35:04–40:49]

Key Discussion Points

• Game Tone:

  • Patriots’ 16-3 win described as a “whooping,” even though the score was low.
  • Chargers’ red zone futility after an early INT at the NE 10: “You don’t come away with Nathan…boy, you get eggnog, Nathan, Nathaniel Bacon, Debo.” — Joe (35:52).

• New England Defense Dominance:

  • Six sacks, three in the fourth quarter, constant pressure on Herbert:
    “Herbic was just scrambling for his life.” — Deebo (37:45).
    “Nobody was open. Patriots defense was feasting from the first snap.” — Joe (37:51).

• Chargers’ Struggles:

  • Only managed 159 passing; Herbert also led rushing with 57, “running for his life all night.”
  • Patriots held LA to one third-down conversion (1/10) (40:20).

• Coaching Impact & Home Field:

  • Deebo reminisces home-cooking: “I played over there in New England, some home cooking…The refs call it the total opposite way, bruh. And I look over and I’m like, yeah, we in New England.” — Deebo (35:58).

Notable Quotes

• “New England real, bro…they can stop that BS about they ain’t played nobody…They done reloaded, man…” — Deebo (39:45)

Timestamps

• Early Red Zone Stand
• Dominant NE Defense, 4th Quarter Sacks
• Game Management & Home-Field Advantage

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3. Bills vs. Jaguars: Back-and-Forth Thriller

Full Segment: [41:12–50:48]

Key Discussion Points

• See-Saw Scoring in 4th Quarter:

  • Both teams trade touchdowns in methodical, impressively long drives:
    • “After they scored…down 17-13…Buffalo goes nine plays, 65 yards. Touchdown” — Deebo (43:09).
    • Jaguars answer: 10-play, 77-yard TD (44:17).

• Critical Moments & Turning Point:

  • The controversial and pivotal “tush push” sneak:
    “His feet was in the air for four, four to five…they end up first and goal from the inch…They go outlaw this tush push.” — Deebo (48:00).

  • Final Buffalo drive loomed over by Jaguars’ defensive lapses; “We gotta stay high to low there for Jacksonville.” — Joe (47:34).

• Final Stops:

  • Bills’ defense closes it out—for Joe, the game was over as soon as Jacksonville couldn’t answer after Buffalo’s final TD.
  • “They ain’t do nothing wrong; they just ain’t do enough right.” — Deebo (50:19).

Timestamps

• Back-and-forth TDs
• Pivotal 4th Down Conversion & “Tush Push”
• Final Stand & Reaction

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4. Bears vs. Packers: A Collapse in Green Bay

Full Segment: [51:43–55:28]

Key Discussion Points

• Packers led 21-3 at half, only to fall apart via turnovers, defensive failures, and special teams mishaps.
• “It looked like somebody went in there and made adjustments, somebody else didn’t.” — Deebo (52:57).
• “Black Friday. They was out there selling…everything was 50% off.” — Deebo (54:26)
• Coaches on the hot seat: LaFleur expected to stay despite this “performance.”
• “You as good as your last performance.” — Joe (55:19)

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5. Steelers vs. Texans: Preview and Keys

Full Segment: [55:40–61:14]

Key Discussion Points

• Pre-game pep talk:

  • “Run the ball successfully…three, four yards that is successful…We have to protect Rodgers at all costs. Cannot commit. Zero turnovers. Zero.” — Deebo (56:36).
  • Defensive priorities: tackle well, especially on YAC threats, contain CJ Stroud, capitalize on Texans’ lack of backup QB.
  • “Defense, defense, defense. I need y’all to be priceless…like a priceless artifact.” — Deebo (57:19).

• Keys to the Game:

  • Limit Texans’ run game and YAC.
  • Secondary must keep a lid on Nico Collins.
  • Pressure and contain Stroud—“don’t let him get out of there.”

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6. Playoff Picks & Hype

Full Segment: [62:24–65:09]

• PrizePicks “Play or Fade” Picks:

  • Deebo and Joe have fun picking over/unders on various stars (DK Metcalf, Aaron Rodgers INTs, CJ Stroud pass yards).
  • “What you gonna do, Joe?” — Deebo.
    “Play.” — Joe (63:52).

• Stadium Energy & Fan Involvement:

  • “If my ears ain’t ringing, it ain’t right. I want to be in here with a hearing aid in on Tuesday.” — Deebo (61:14).
  • “Debo gives us something that drives us, that gives us energy.” — Joe (61:54)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You gotta get him in the phone booth…If he got that much space, make you look crazy.” — Joe, on Barkley (04:38)
• “You’re putting yourself in position to lose. You could have get the ball at the 20 yard line and you’re fair catching the damn ball at the four.” — Joe, on Eagles’ returner miscue (16:30)
• “They running basic plays, the same plays over and over again…It’s no creativity.” — Joe, on Eagles’ offense (28:31)
• “Herbic was just scrambling for his life.” — Deebo, on Chargers’ QB (37:45)
• “They just ain’t do enough right.” — Deebo, on Jaguars’ loss (50:19)
• “Black Friday. They was out there selling…everything was 50% off.” — Deebo, on Packers collapse (54:26)
• “Defense, defense, defense. I need y’all to be priceless…like a priceless artifact.” — Deebo (57:19)
• “If my ears ain’t ringing, it ain’t right. I want to be in here with a hearing aid in on Tuesday…” — Deebo (61:14)

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Final Thoughts & Tone

• Deebo and Joe offer passionate, blunt, and insightful reactions as only former NFL defenders can.
• They praise creativity (49ers), criticize lack thereof (Eagles), celebrate defensive dominance (Patriots), and lament collapses (Packers).
• Their rapport is lively and energetic, balancing humor (“Nathaniel Bacon, Debo”) with football acumen.
• The episode closes with playoff hype, keys for the Steelers’ matchup, and a call for fan engagement—“Every man whoop a man. Every good man Whoop 2.” (60:38)

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Perfect episode for fans wanting no-nonsense, X-and-O-driven insight, honest player evaluations, and some much-needed playoff energy.

Transcript

[A]

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[A]

Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[C]

Doing good, brother Debo. You know, we got a big game ahead of us, so I'm excited, I'm hyped. I'm dressed for the occasion. I'm dressed for success.

[A]

Yeah, I see you over there, shining like a diamond. You know what I'm saying? You can't hide that money.

[C]

I want my good chain. I want my good chain.

[A]

Oh, you got bad chains and good chains. I ain't even know that.

[C]

No, no, no, no. Quality. Quality over quantity. Only got two chains. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Only got two chains. Two chains.

[A]

Only got two chains. I mean, how many, how many, how many of them pieces you got right there, though? That's a big giant 23 right there. I mean, what that is, they just.

[C]

Want one, one good.

[A]

150. 250.

[C]

N. Yeah, you know, you know, I.

[A]

Ain'T gonna say that, man. Look here, man. We had, we had some real exciting games. I see why people like a lot of points, man. I really do. I ain't gonna lie to you. Come on. I see.

[C]

It's exciting.

[A]

Like I said, when you ain't got the eight, when you ain't got no horse in the fight, it's cool.

[C]

When the, when, when the, when the points are being scored on you or.

[A]

Dog in the fight, I should say. But yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's. It was kind of, it was kind of exciting. I ain't gonna lie. It was, you know, towards the end, it was starting to get, you know, especially with that other game with, with Buffalo, and it was, it was starting to get a little reckless man, but let's go on over here, man. Start over here in San Francisco, man.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

With the Eagles in the. And the 49ers, man.

[C]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

They go ahead, they get a ball. They. They start off with San Francisco. Getting them to rock, man. Second down and 11, y'. All. Purdy hits Robinson. That boy just cuts and weaves his way to what it was like 58, 60 yards, dude.

[C]

Welcome to the, welcome to the game. Welcome to the 49ers.

[A]

Yes. I, I, Dude, I thought he was about to take it to the house. I think, I think they said he got more yards in that one, in that one quarter than he did all.

[C]

He had the whole. He had all this whole season. Yeah, that's the thing about the 49ers. We going to talk about, like, but with Shanahan, everybody, you know what I'm saying? Stepping up, they. Their whole. Their best receiver, their boy Auk, he ain't been there all year.

[A]

Yeah, no, no question. The next second down, they ended up getting to McCaffrey. He go ahead and climb the ladder right there and catch that thing for Purdy. For 11 yards. Yes. I think that put him at like a first and what was it? First and five, first and ten at the five yard. First and goal at the five yard line. Yep. They end up scoring the following second down, Purdy hit that boy Robinson again. Two yards, touchdown.

[C]

Great execution of the play calling, you know what I'm saying? He acting like he blocking, blocking and then running the running the bang. My man. The corner for the Eagles. Nigga love him to death. He ended up balling. But that first series, he had a little bit of a time. He had a tough first drive.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. The Eagles, they get a ball back to the Eagle, they kick it off to him. The Eagles say, you know what? We gonna answer this thing? I think it was, what, 10 plays, about 65 yards or something for the touchdown of their own second eight. That boy say Quan said, Hey, 29.

[C]

Got missing, got missing, got missing. That was beautiful.

[A]

Hey, I ain't gonna lie, dude. They put that corner in a bad position because I can't tell if he's supposed to actually be contained or if he's supposed to roll inside because the end don't do nothing. He just buries his head and starts trying to push the tight end for me. I'm thinking he was probably supposed to be inside of that and just couldn't get across the face and was trying to close the gap. Yeah. So if the corner don't Squat down to that. Then he bounces through there anyway and probably gets the same amount of yards, you know what I'm saying? So he was really stuck in a bad situation right there. But he put you in a bad situation because that's, that's what, that's what Barkley do. He put them boys in bad situations.

[C]

Literally, bro, that one on one is going. You got, you got to get him in the phone booth. If he got that much space.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Make you look crazy.

[A]

Yes. You gotta get him in the phone booth.

[C]

Gotta get him in the phone booth.

[A]

Second and five. They got to a second and five. Hurts. Hit AJ for his first catch. I think that was 10. Later on down the line, they get to the third down, third and three. And I think it was. Who was it? 10. It was at the, at the 10. And Barkley 33, he picked up, I think it was three yards on that ended up getting them a first down, I believe the seven yard line because they was already on the 10. They end up getting to another third down. Third and one. And that dude, the tight end. Got her, dude, got her, got her.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

He scores the touch. Now I'm thinking now, like, yo, we about to have one of these games where this just. I'm, I'm, I'm driving. Yeah. Scoring, looking right. Then old boy missed the extra point. So I'm like, all right, cool. We got, we got.

[C]

I, I stepped off, I walked off, I said, and I walked back. And I'm like, that's why I gotta watch every single play. Because I'm like, babe, I, I just, I took it for granted that he was going, you know what I'm saying? Have seven, you know, And I come back, I'm like, he missed the joint. He looking crazy, dude.

[A]

That's why they, that's why she made a little bit longer, man. You know, to make, you have to, you know, account for that, that little, you know, from right there, from where you're at to moving them back. That ball get to move a little bit. You outside.

[C]

That weather was crazy. That wind was crazy. That wind was crazy out there.

[A]

Yeah, San Francisco get back out there. And the Eagles, they force them, they force them three and out, you know, with that nice, that nice pass breakup. But I think it was Mitchell on that second to six, wasn't it? Yeah, he had, he had tight coverage. Like.

[C]

Yeah, he started after that first drive. And that's the thing about corners. You gotta have that short term memory. That first drive wasn't the best. They ended up scoring on My man. And he's an all pro. He's been balling all year. So him after that, strapped down, lock up.

[A]

So. Yeah.

[C]

Congratulations. Good, good.

[A]

Hell, the next play, what was it? What was the dude, Jackson, he made sure tackle and catch, no yak, make sure he held him short for that. I think he needed. Actually he ended up short 3 yards. They ended up punting the ball back over to Philly and 49ers they gone ahead and they held Barkley. I think it was like just to a hot three yards on them first. Them first two plays, they. They gave him the rock, got the third and seven and Herz hit. What is it, Lenore? What was in nine? The next play? I think it was AJ for eight. Second down was incomplete. He got lucky. That wasn't an interception though.

[C]

It wasn't a pick.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. Where was he? I don't even know where he was throwing that to.

[C]

Dude, like they offense, man, we gonna get into it, but it was started looking real. It's real vanilla. It's real basic.

[A]

Yeah. Third down, dude, that end made a nice play. Dude, he did it perfectly. How you supposed to do it? Shuffle down to that thing, read it. Once you see the ball declared, either get up to the quarterback or squat, squeeze down to the run. He made a great play. They get to a fourth down and on fourth down, yo, he got lucky that wasn't a P6. He Lucky that wasn't a P6, bro.

[C]

He just wanted to make sure he didn't catch it.

[A]

Dude, if he had, I. I don't think he was just trying to make sure he didn't catch. I think he just. He just got there and didn't really. Yeah, I would, I would say he got there and didn't realize he was going to get there as fast and just went to knock it.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

They end up turning the ball over on downs. San Francisco get back out there. And Philly's defense, they stand up, they force them with three and out.

[C]

Their defense didn't. Like they didn't just wet the bed, you know what I'm saying? They was out there. They was out there making plays.

[A]

No, they was out there making real plays, bro. They forced them to punt the ball and then they downed them inside the six, wasn't it?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Yo, I couldn't believe that they actually ended up going out there and doing what they did after that. Dude, they put together 16 plays, 94 yards for a touchdown. I think they used up a little. Little over nine minutes or close to Nine minutes. And went forward on what, two fourth downs. First down, it was hurts to AJ for seven. I think the next play, Barkley, he picked up the first with a nine yard run. Just, you know, carrying people with him. Right there, that was. That was out of control. Hurts then hit Smith, I think for nine. Next play, give it right back to Barkley. Let him finish it off. Pick it up the first for five yards. End up getting to a third and nine. They get a false start. I'm thinking it's about to be an issue. They kick it back to a third and 14. Then Hertz hits Smith at 13. They get to the fourth and one. Tush pushed that thing, of course, yes. First down, I think Barkley only got about four. Then second down, they tried to hit him. I think it was like a little swing pass out there, dude. And he goes off on the boy. He do the little hop. See, everybody think little hop was just show. That hop wasn't show hop was to give his dude time to get time to come.

[C]

He's setting up his block.

[A]

Yeah, set up that block. He ain't out there playing, dude.

[C]

Y' all think he's playing.

[A]

As soon as I hit this ground, yes, as soon as I hit this ground, my dude go be here and he gonna let me know where I need to go. They go 20 right there. He's reading 20 right there. And after he did that, Barkley went to the sideline. Hey, said Bisby, it's. Hey, it's sweet out here.

[C]

Go get you some.

[A]

Come get you some. Come get you something. Say, hey, let me get on up out there, man. He said the first one was just four yards on that first down. The second down he went nine for that thing. He followed that by another seven on that next one. Hey, hey, you tripping. Come on, that's enough. Give me it back. They went on ahead, popped him for a 2 yard loss though. That, that next. As soon as he got back in here. Yeah, the next play, I think he picked up three. So he got like two of it back again. These boys go for it. Fourth and two, they on the nine, bruh. And he hits who. Who hurt Hit. That's hiding.

[C]

God of the game.

[A]

9 yard touchdown is 13 to 7. San Francisco is now down.

[C]

They're looking pretty good.

[A]

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. They kick the ball back off to him. They get out there and, dude, this is horrible. First down, he throws it to Kittle. Kidd will get six yards. And dude, I text you as soon as he stepped down. I'M like, dude, he tore his Achilles, dude, it's over.

[C]

Promise you. And I looked at my wife, I said, dang, baby, I think he tore his Achilles. She's like, how do you know? I'm like, cause I've seen a lot of players and watched a lot of games, and as soon as they go down, like, that's how it looks. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to. You know what I'm saying? But, like, you know, when you know, you know.

[A]

Oh, I saw the.

[C]

Exactly. You texted me. You saw the ripple.

[A]

The ripple in the lady.

[C]

Yeah, I'm like, you texted me. I was like, I just texted. I just told my lady, bro. So, yeah, that was sad to see, bro.

[A]

Yeah, definitely sad to see, man. Hopefully, you know, he'll be able to get back from that and. And be able to make a full recovery, man. I'm thinking like, yo, this always happens to them, dude. They get guys hurt and, you know, they've been hurt all year, you know, I'm like, yo, it's. I feel bad for him, but the next play, that man, Purdy, he makes a dime throw and he hits Jenny's, and Jenny's takes that thing 45 yards to the Philly 26. Dude. Next play, Purdy to Caffrey. He hit like hot little six. Then third. What was it? Third down, little rush by McCaffrey. They ended up being at a third and one, and I think Philly stopped him for like a negative one or two yard loss. They end up having to settle for the field goal. 10 to 13. Eagles get the rock back. First down, Barkley again for six. Second down. They threw that boy deep down to AJ who. Who you think you think it was? Dude, that was. I think. I think it was just. It was. I think it was a little short, but I don't know if he.

[C]

I think it was. It was a little short. It was a little win. But like, that, that. That was probably the. The one. One that was like the most difficult, I would say, out of all of the balls. Yeah, sure. Like, that was a little inside. Like, I can't. Like, he's trying. I did see his arms go a little short of the day. It's hella windy. It was really inside. It could have been a better ball where he had more of a chance. So that one's like, no, like, I can't blame him. That's not a drop at all.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I would, I. I would go with that too, but the Next one after they get that false start. They got a false start immediately after that, they end up going to third and nine from a third and four, which it would have been. And he goes back to AJ Again. And he dropped this one. He gotta have that one.

[C]

And this one is the goalball. Yes, yes. So when he even he. And that. And that is, in my opinion, still. That's still opi. You see, he grabs the corner shoulders and throws him by and then still gets able to get both offensive hands on that ball. So that's a drop. You gotta catch that. They didn't give you nothing. Like they gave you all authority that you still. You had the corner by the shoulders, threw him by, and then you got it. And he knew that too. So when he's on the way, he's like, ah, you know that one's on you. That's aj. Aj. He believes he should have caught that one too. So that was a drop straight.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. They end up having to punt the ball, give it back to San Francisco. I think it was second down that first. When they first got the ball back, Purdy is sacked. That put him to like a third and 11. And he hits Robinson again for 15 and a first down.

[C]

Dude on point, Robinson was looking like he was out there just running comeback routes, individuals just hitting them, him and Jennings, when they needed to, like on point B. I was like, damn. And I wasn't expecting it because like you said, they've been losing all of the number ones. Is Kyle out there scheming people open and his dudes making plays when they have to.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. They end up getting to. I think it was another third and long and Purdy hit. What's the dude's name? Lungs, Tongues. What's his name?

[C]

Dude, don't get me. Don't get me.

[A]

Yeah, they hit. They hit that boy for 14 in the first down. Okay, third and five. They run it, but when Pie runs it, he fumbles the thing out of bounds right at the end of the half, they got a two second runoff, no timeouts left. They end up not getting anything from that. So the Eagles ended up starting the second half, I think. Yeah, first down, you give it to. You give. You give it to Barkley. Give it to that man Barkley, please. He go. He go ahead. He get it. He get a high eight. But then they dropped him for a loss one on second down. And then third down, he dropped the little dunk pass from Hurts. So they end up having to punt.

[C]

The ball ready to Make a move Before. Before he made.

[A]

Yes, dude. He had his.

[C]

He was ready.

[A]

He was about to hit his hands. And he looking up to see what I can do, what I'm gonna do to him.

[C]

He was playing a dead leg, buddy.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes, man. They punt the ball. And for the life of me, bruh, I cannot understand why this returner backed up as far as he backed up to fair catch that ball.

[C]

Deebo, can I please say the same thing? I was screaming at the TV and my wife and kid looked over at me like, what's wrong with you? I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

[A]

Put your heels, set your toes.

[C]

You're literally doing their job. They would want to go back there, set your heels at the 10. And if it goes over your head, then that's when you start running away and trying to fake people out.

[A]

You fake it? Yes. So then they make like it's shorter.

[C]

Run away so they can't land at the five yard line. You literally fielded it like a professional. Like they were like you were a gunner at the four yard line. That's terrible. You know what I'm saying? As a returner, what are you doing? You're putting yourself in position to lose. You could have get the ball at the 20 yard line and you're fair catching the damn ball at the four. I was so mad when I watched it, like feel the same. It couldn't get no worse. Except if he put his heels at the goal.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Put his heels at the goal line. Put his heels at the goal line. Like, what are you trying to do? Get him as position as possible.

[A]

Put his heels at the goal line. He made his mind up. He was going to catch that, son.

[C]

I'm going to catch it regardless. But then to fair catch it, like, I can see, get. If you had some open grass, you're waving your hand backing up further and further. So yeah, Deebo, thank you for pointing that out. Cause that pissed me off.

[A]

Yeah. So first down per he gone ahead, scramble for a hot six. Second down, they end up getting the first down because they get illegal hands. They end up getting to a second and long. What was it? Second to 10. Who they who, who? Purdy. Fine. Robinson. He finds Robinson for 14. First down immediately he goes and gets picked off. They at the what? 46 of San Fran. Right there, dude. And I'm like, okay, this is where it's about to get a little interesting. And the Eagles would do absolutely nothing with it. 49ers would stand up, screen out, do what they gotta do, get a thing back to San Francisco. Now they doing a little bit of fighting. Now, defense said we could play defense too, because we've been playing defense all night. Ran out. They punt the ball. He only gets 25 yards on the point. How do you do that?

[C]

This is McShanka.

[A]

McShanka.

[C]

That's McShanka. That's what I'm gonna call the Debo.

[A]

McShanka. Okay, so the Eagles got a short field, baby. This opportunity for him to do something with it. And they get 23 yards out of it on 10 plays and have to settle for a field goal, Bro. Three of the plays was negative rushing plays, bro. They had one play that was actually nine yards. So the rest of them. I don't even know what they were doing. They get the field goal. It ain't they. They tripping, but they ain't tripping. They up. What was it, 16 to 10. Now San Francisco get back out there and first down, he. What the freak does that name say? Suuka? What the.

[C]

Debo. I'm not the best with names either.

[A]

Oh, my God. Dude, he hit old boy for 27. Okay, I'm just gonna go with that.

[C]

Yeah, There we go.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. And it's the tight end. 44. That's who it is, bro. But he tried to put that boy to sleep. He tried. Who was the dude that tackled him? What's the db name? What the db name is 33. What's the boy. The white boy, what's his name is one of them. It's two of them over there, ain't it?

[C]

Yes. It's black. Black. And one of the white boys over there, black and Dijon.

[A]

He was.

[C]

He was.

[A]

Bruh. He was committing something. He was trying to commit some. Some. Some white on white crime right there. Man.

[C]

They are. He's. I like the way they play, Deebo. I like the way they play. They be out there, joint trying to smack.

[A]

No question, bro. They end up getting to a third and one. Of course Purdy sneaks it for the first down. And the next play. Jennings, I ain't know he had that in him. He goes ahead and he drops one over the shoulder to McCaffrey.

[C]

That's when you go.

[A]

29 yard dime.

[C]

That's what I'm talking about. That's play calling. And they were saying that Jennings was a high school quarterback, but he threw a dot. And McCaffrey with the skills to be able to find the joint over the shoulder like Bo. Like you Know what I'm saying? That's like wide receiver skills, being able to place the the ball, find the ball over your shoulder, catch it. Touchdown.

[A]

Touchdown. Now 17 to 16. Ties done turned a little bit. Eagles get the rock back. 49ers, force of three and nine.

[B]

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[A]

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[A]

Beholden penalty. On the first down that put him at a first and 20, San Francisco get the ball right back. They come off. Think they completed like maybe one first down and the following first down. Listen, Purdy is a gunslinger, and gunslingers, they get shot and he gets picked again. But for me on this one, bro, I understand the DB made a nice play.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

But that tight end dude, he was drifting back, cutting like, you got to come down on that cut.

[C]

No, no, no, You. You gotta close down on the ball. For sure, for sure, for sure. You got towards the ball, but then that's a tight end on a number one all pro cornerback. Cornerbacks is going to bait that because, like, you just wait.

[A]

Yeah, but the route, if the route is better, he gives it at least a chance to break it up.

[C]

Yeah, no, I understand. He needs to be coming downhill instead of floating like he's going up the field and allow him to get. I'm with you a thousand percent, but I feel like that db, he's baiting him and then he's do let Birdie. Throw that underneath. If you gonna throw it, throw it higher. So if he goes underneath, it's gonna be incomplete or nobody's gonna catch it. Don't throw a little low under like a flat ball.

[A]

This is the Second time he done turned the rock over. Eagles get the ball again and settle for a field goal. I think it was eight plays, 50 yards, 47 yards, something like that. And that was with the help of a roughing. That was weak. Dude, that roughing call was weak.

[C]

I think so.

[A]

Yeah, because he was like. They didn't hit him with the helmet or nothing. And he slid late. He slid late. That's.

[C]

They keep doing that.

[A]

Yeah, it's getting out. Like, when he slide late like that. Dude, you go.

[C]

You gonna get a little something. Yeah. Unless he really thumbs you, then.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Like, you gonna. You get down.

[A]

Yeah, get down, dude. You don't want to have it. Like, they're right over top of him and they just dropping down like, what? I don't know what you want them to do. Yeah, they go up 17 and 19. And San Francisco said, hold up, man. Listen, we gonna answer this. They come right back out there. 10 plays, 66 yards. Touchdown. I think they used up a little over five minutes. First play, Purdy took that tight end for six yards. Yeah, I gotta figure out what his name is. How do you pronounce that? That gotta be rushing or something, man. Like, I don't even know. They. I don't know what it is, man. Second down, Purdy, I think he scrambled for five and put his head down. He said, it's now or never.

[C]

It. Now or never.

[A]

If I. If I get put to sleep, then let somebody else come in here. I just need to be able to play next week.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

The next play, Purdy hits that man, Robinson again for 16 yards. Beautiful. Second down, 10. It's long. Second and long. Purdy to McCaffrey. 11. Nice. Nice. 11. Nice. Everything about that play was nice. Again, they get to a second and six. Purdy is sacked, bro. It's looking bad. But the defense, they got a holding call on them. Now it is first down and 10 at the 20.

[C]

Shot yourself in the foot.

[A]

Shot yourself in the foot. You giving it away? And my Caffrey says, just hand it to me one time. He went 10 for that one. Now it's first and goal at the 10. They do what they can to try and slow it down a little bit. They get to a third down and goal. And Purdy, his who? Guess who he hits? They said, we go change it up. We know usually bop out here to the flat, hit that and dig back inside. Four yard, touchdown.

[C]

Play caller.

[A]

Play calling.

[C]

Play calling.

[A]

They go now. They go and miss the extra point. It really didn't matter whether they made the Extra point or missed the extra point. Four points versus five points. They still needed to score a touchdown to win. You still can't. You can't. You can't be missing the extra point.

[B]

Man.

[A]

That's supposed to be the gimmes. Supposed to give me sand. Eagles getting the ball back. I think it was like almost three minutes left. They get to. I think it was that third and five where AJ Dropped that ball. That would have been a first down because they ended up having to go for it on the fourth down and five after that. Yeah, he hits on the fourth and five. He hit your boy again.

[C]

Got it for 15 on that over route.

[A]

Good placement.

[C]

Good placement when he was able to catch it, Catch it on the run.

[A]

Yeah. Then he went back to back plays to Smith. I think it was 10 on the first one, 15 on the next one. They at the San Francisco 20 yard line. They always. They've been stalling out all day anyway, like, first down, he gets sacked. If he had got loose from that bruh, I think that would have put him in a far greater position to be able to win this thing. Second down, like, I don't know, like, what do you. You think he just kind of took off too fast on that one? I don't know which the second down. No, dude, the pocket was still kind of tight. Like looking back at it. I'm looking at it. I'm agreeing with the announcer. I'm like, the puck was still kind of tight. He just took off a body. Slung that thing. Just slung that thing. Third down, he threw on the Smith. It was a little high, but even I think even if he catch that when dude hit him, he ain't holding on.

[C]

You ain't gonna hold on to it. Yeah, for sure. That one was a little high.

[A]

Yeah, he ain't holding on to that. And this fourth down came on the line. Kendricks makes the play.

[C]

They running basic plays, the same plays over and over again. That's just seam routes, though. Like, he's just trying to bend it. Bend seam routes with outside running goals. They just running four verticals like it's no creativity.

[A]

Oh, zero.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I don't know if they ran the ball more. I think they might have been okay. But what hurts had, dude, like, I mean, when you go back and you look at it, San Francisco, San Francisco's defense just stood up when they had to, dude. They closed the game out at the end. They held hertz to what, 168 yards, one touchdown. Like the offense, like Turned the ball over twice, and the defense only, like, gave up. What was it, three points on that. Like, the 49ers offense, they came up big in the fourth, dude, the Eagles, dude, every. They just couldn't sustain drives in the red zone, bro. They dropped passes like, dude, that, that could have you, like, really changed the outcome of the game. And when you know, you get opportunities like that, bro, and you get fewer opportunities anyway, your opportunities are few. You can't miss on those plays, dude, the Eagles had four drops on third down. That's more drops than they had in any regular season. And it was the most, I think, in playoffs. They said since ESPN started tracking the stat in 2006. Like, the defense did what they could do.

[C]

Like, at some point, the Eagles defense did what they had to do. They held them, they made turnovers. My man Quinn Quintron Mitchell made two interceptions, you know what I'm saying? Getting the ball back to them. They had plenty of opportunities. And like you said, you're talking about the drop balls. We're talking about just the basic. I'm looking at the concepts, too. Like, when I look at the 49ers, Kyle Shanahan, with the lack of, when we talk about, like, names out there, my man, the Jennings, you know what I'm saying? Kittle's gone. Their star receiver that's making $35 million hasn't showed up, but they're able to, like, use, use Christian McCaffrey and get him open in every single situation they can scheme a moment to run.

[A]

Caffrey is a different player. Dude, that's every down that dude, that dude can catch the ball. He can run the ball. And I ain't saying just like, catch normal. You just, we just over the shoulder, smooth.

[C]

No, no, I, I, I feel it. But they only, they say they only had, they have, that Eagles have Saquan Barkley. I'm not saying he's, he can do, he can catch out the backfield. You can run routes with him. You can get him the ball. And then on the outside, they have Javante Smith and A.J.

[A]

Brown.

[C]

They got Jennings and, and my other man five that was out there balling. So I'm like, With the athletes that the Eagles have, I say that they're underperforming compared to. When I see the 49ers and Brock Purdy out there, being able to dip dive, being able to get people open, Christian McCaffrey catching out of the backfield, being able to run the ball, all of that stuff. I'm just looking at their Scheme and the way that they're moving, like both defenses, they played great. They only scored 23. So Brock Purdy, they weren't just. His numbers weren't outrageous. You know what I'm saying? He still had two interceptions. They had turnovers. So they didn't just, like, crush the Eagles. It wasn't just like a terrible, terrible game.

[A]

I ain't gonna lie to you. I kind of count on Purdy to get an interception every game. Dude, I ain't gonna lie. He just. I don't know why I feel like he gonna make up from it, but if that defense don't stand up, then, yeah, it can be an issue, but I just feel like he gonna throw a pick every game. With all that said about the Eagles, like, who do you think is to blame? Like, is it the players? Is the coaches? Who. Who do you think is to blame for this?

[C]

I. I think there's blame that can go around. Everybody can get. Some players can get blamed for AJ Brown dropping those passes that he could have caught. Coaches and coordinators can get blamed for running vanilla plays and just making it be one on one. You got to beat your man every time and never really scheming anybody open. There can be plays where. Come on, coach, you gotta. It's chestnut checkers. You gotta be setting stuff up, running motions. We're running something to set up something. I don't see that with the Eagles. I see them lining up and just doing what they gotta do that's good and all dandy. Like last year, they were just able to outman people and just beat them because we're better than you. But when you can start scheming people open, also with the talent that you have that's better than other people, that's going to make it a whole lot easier. And that's why I look at the 49ers, where they're scheming people open and they're doing stuff so you can make. You got to make those plays. A.J. brown, like the ones that he did drop the dig that he dropped, and the other one, the one that was overthrown, I don't know, whatever. But those plays you do have to make, and coaches, you can do a way better job of making it easy for us to make plays and get things going. So there's blame to be handed around on both sides of the. And I think it's mainly for sure with the Eagles on the offensive side of the ball, because defense, y' all stood up, y' all hooped, y' all ball, certain plays like, it is what it is. You are playing against a great team. You are getting scheme. They are running things to get people open. So y' all fought. Y' all turned the ball back over y'. All. Maybe they make turnovers. So boom. I'm not going to just say boom.

[A]

That.

[C]

That y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

Y' all lost the game because of you guys. I think on this one, it's been the whole season. Offense has been able to. You say, oh, no, we're able to still win, but you look crazy. Somehow you're able to get it done, whatever. But when you can't. The playoffs when you need it, now you look crazy. So I say I'm blaming it mostly on the offense. A.J. brown, you got to make those plays. And. But schematically too, you guys, you can do a way better job putting them in position to win.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You think that. You think the Eagles make any changes in the offseason?

[C]

For sure. Offensive coordinator. Thousand percent. And I think A.J. brown, he wants to be gone, and I think that they're ready now for him to be gone, too, because you only can tolerate as much as if you're hooping. If he would have caught all those passes, then everything, no, nobody can't reach. But when you dropping it now you're still making 35. You're the guy you're saying anything. Now we gotta part ways. Like, you still, right?

[A]

I'm not getting the ball. I'm not getting the ball. When they give you the ball and you start dropping it, then what?

[C]

What tolerant they tolerating you catching all of them joints and nothing hit the ground. Nobody's saying a word.

[A]

Not a word.

[C]

It is what it is. Like, you know what I'm saying? But now I don't think the vibes like coaching them. Him and Coach on the sideline, they. They're not getting along. And the. The. They're only going to tolerate you when you're really just. There's no. There's no balls touching the ground.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Dude, slide on over here to the Patriots, man.

[C]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[A]

The Patriots, you know, they. They kind of. They kind of whipped on the charges, and it was only 16 to 3, but it was. It was still a whooping. Dude, I ain't gonna lie, bro. I really thought San Diego could give us a chance, man, like Los Angeles. I was. Sorry. Yeah, I really thought Los Angeles could give us a chance. The charges, man, I really thought they'd give us a chance.

[C]

I was rooting for him Debo, I.

[A]

Was rooting, man, like, because that means. That means after we win this game, we got to go somewhere, and I don't like us leaving the house right now. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I lied to you, too.

[C]

I respect it. I respect.

[A]

What really put me in doubt, dude, is when they got that int, bro, and they sitting right there at the 10, bro.

[C]

Off the rip.

[A]

And you don't come away with Nathan.

[C]

Boy, you get eggnog. Nathan, Nathaniel Bacon, Debo.

[A]

And listen, it's free. Listen, I played over there in New England, man. Some home cooking over there, man. I'm looking at a play, man, on the jumbotron. I never forget it, man. I'm like, oh, oh, we caught. They got us. And the refs call it the total opposite way, bruh. And I look over and I'm like, what? He like, yeah, we in New England. I'm like, oh, no, no. They was like, dude, I ain't lying, man. One of the players. But it was like. It was like joking, you know what I'm saying?

[C]

But come on, bruh, let's get them.

[A]

Halftime. It was what, just three to six? It should have been three to three.

[C]

Yeah, worse.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Bop across Herbic's head.

[C]

That's what I let that go. What made me happy was when you said, it's halftime. The Chargers defense, the Patriots didn't just run it up. It's not like it was a crazy high scoring, high scoring game.

[A]

Yeah, they went on ahead and got that extra three points at the end because they let old Drake may scramble for 37 right there. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Yeah. After that, dude, like, I think New England, they scored what, the touchdown in the fourth quarter with. He hit Henry, I think it was with just under, what, 10 minutes left in the fourth. That was 13:3. And for me, right there, dude, I'm like, it's over with, dude.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Cause from. From the way that the Patriots defense was balling the entire game, they started feasting after that. They started feasting after that. And then my man was out there with the box. Like, his. His hand looks humongous, like he's out the gym. The big hand looking at his sl. And then they got to smacking them and hitting them all hard. So he was getting beat up all game. And then to the end, I'm like, when they hit him, when he scored.

[A]

That touchdown, bro, man, Herbic was just scrambling for his life.

[C]

Nobody, dude, nobody was Open. Nobody was open. And like the Patriots defense was feasting from the. From the first snap of the game to. Like you said, when they didn't get zero points.

[A]

Listen, Joe, Joe, the fourth quarter, bro, they. They sacked him six times. They sacked him three of those in the fourth quarter with a fumble recovery. With a fumble that they recovered like.

[C]

Ah, bruh, they was beating them the.

[A]

Fourth quarter alone, dude, that was just with the ten minutes left, bro. They bombed on him. Yeah, and they was. They was firing off on. Too sweet, man. They was firing off on him too clean. Good hits. No clean hits, man.

[C]

Clean, safe hits. No fine. No nothing.

[A]

That dude, dude, like New England real, bro. Like, I ain't gonna lie, bro. I like, I didn't see them holding herbic to 159 yards passing, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't see that. And the crazy thing is he led. He led them in Russian too, with 57. Because man was running for his life all night.

[C]

No, that's what I'm saying, man.

[A]

Running for his life all night, bro.

[C]

He was, bro. I. I felt. I felt bad for the man, bro. Every time he was.

[A]

Hey, I ain't gonna lie. I'm like. I'm like. It was a couple times. I'm like, just don't get up, bro. I know. I can see you can't get up, but just don't throw your hand up there to get them to help you up, bro. Man, hey, like they said, the last.

[C]

One, he wanted to stay down when.

[A]

They told him life. Eddie Murphy. After he whipped on Eddie Murphy, he said, hey, man, I took enough of a beat. Came on in. Cameron in house gold, man, Bro, New England real, bro. Like, listen, they can. They can stop that. That BS about they ain't played nobody and all that other stuff, bro. They just played a good team, a good defense, bro. They. They done. They done reloaded, man. They got the coach that they needed, man.

[C]

They.

[A]

They put the people in position. He put the people in position. The guys that. The coaches that he needed to coach. The guys he drafted a whole bunch of guys, dude. The defense held LA to A. Was it. 207 yards total, three points. Sacked that boy Herbic six times. Like, dude.

[C]

Yep, yep, exactly. No, they're full. They're 14. Offense, defense, special teams, well coached. I was just glad though, I saw that they only scored 16 points. So the Chargers didn't get. They don't just run down the field.

[A]

His defense was out of control for New England, bruh. They held the Chargers to One of ten on third down.

[C]

Joe, I understand that. I understand that's reckless. I understand that. I understand that. But that offensive line, they was looking crazy out there, dude. Cause we gotta play them.

[A]

I'm just.268 passing and another 66 rushing, which helped extend a whole bunch of plays. Got em three points off the hit. Listen, your boy's been reloaded over there, man.

[C]

Yeah, for sure. I hate it also.

[A]

No, you don't, because you.

[C]

Yes, I do.

[A]

You won't. You won't. You want Hardball to go to Cleveland. No, you don't.

[C]

What are you talking about, man?

[A]

Listen.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

Listen, man, things, you know, ahead. When you make like you with me.

[C]

Us, you know, it stillers.

[A]

It make me. Oh, I'm just trying to. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You gotta. You gotta be able to compartmentalize. Debo.

[A]

Compartmentalize. Okay. Compartmentalize that. That sometimes you go be. You go be. You know what you gonna be. Compartmentalize that. Huh? Man, let's go on over here to this Bill's Jazz game, man. This right here is the one that I was like. Yeah, I was like, yo, it's cool, because it was a fight all the way today. Jump on into the fourth quarter, man.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Basically, let's jump into the end of the third. I think it was that. I think it was Jacksonville. They had the ball with like, like a little under over three, four minutes left in the third. And I think it was 13 to 10 at that point. And Jacksonville had the ball at like the 38 after. After a short point. Now that I think about it, bro, it was a. They had another short punt, I think the first two plays ET and they just call him ATL. I think he hit for six. Third down and four, Lawrence hits Thomas for 18. Then again, they run the ball the first two plays, get to a third and two. Lawrence then hits Washington for 14 in the first down. They end up getting to a third and one at the top of the fourth. Quarterback sneak. Put it down at the five yard line. Second down, six, was it second down to six. Lawrence hit Washington, six yard touchdown, 13:17. I ain't knowing that. This is about to keep going back and forth to the game over with.

[C]

I'm like, ooh, I ain't gonna lie. I thought the Jazz was gonna win before the game started.

[A]

You thought they was gonna win before the game started?

[C]

Yeah, I finally. I thought it was gonna happen.

[A]

You thought it was gonna happen?

[C]

I Did you know who they was playing, man? Listen, I had to go. I had to see them boys like.

[A]

To be down, it seems like to me.

[C]

Look.

[A]

Yeah, they don't wake up till they get down. Man. Buffalo get back. Right back out there after they, after they scored. They down 17, 13. They win. Nine plays, 65 yards. Touchdown. First play. Cooks hit him for a hot six. They ended up getting to like a third and four. Allen hit Kincaid for seven. The next place, the next place, it was Allen to knox for like 24, 25. Second and long is Allen to secure for what four.

[C]

Third down underestimated.

[A]

Allen scrambles for six. But they look at that thing to review that thing. They call it short fourth down and one big body quarterback sneaked that thing for hot folks.

[C]

Yeah, hot folk.

[A]

That's the first and 10 from the 15. It's Allen to Kincaid off on the left side. 15 yard touchdown, 20 to 17. Did you still think at that point that Jacksonville was gonna win?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Well, you was kind of right because they ended up coming back out that thing going 10 plays, 77 yards for a touchdown. I think it was the second to 10. Lawrence hit 18. Yeah, he was like 14.

[C]

Yeah, it was bald.

[A]

Could have been more. That could have been more on that play. It was, it was more. They, they got lucky. Hey there.

[B]

This is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the Men's Clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January, guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix what's broken. But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Poulter, a psychologist with over over 30 years experience helping men unpack shame, anxiety and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others.

[A]

Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy and some compassion.

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[A]

You on that, that third and eight, it was like a third and eight is incomplete, but we got a defensive holding. First down, first down. Which leads to a second and long where Lawrence hits Washington for 31. Yeah, they at the Buffalo, what, 25. Then they end up converting another first down to the what, maybe 14, 15 yard line. Something like that. And then Lawrence is 18 for 14.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

I ain't gonna lie.

[C]

Break, tackle, touchdown. Now, what you was thinking right here.

[A]

I'm thinking, I don't know.

[C]

I ain't gonna lie to you. Right here, I'm thinking they scored too early. And this is what the one I'm thinking, the Bills are going, hey.

[A]

And then I had. Then I had to look right here. That's what I'm honestly thinking in my heart. You had to look at the clock.

[C]

Now I'm like, oh, yo, wild out.

[A]

They ain't gonna head get the ball. They sitting around. What was it, 35, 34 when they get the ball. First down, Ellen hit one to Shakir for a hot eight. Third and one. Allen say, yo, I'm gonna go ahead, pick up the first down. Next play, Allen hits my guy. My guy Cooks. What's up, boy? I played with Cooks over there in New England, man. He got put to sleep, though, in that game. My boy to sleep, though. We was gonna. We was gonna dog walk him, though. They put my boy to sleep, though. Okay, but he picked up 36 right.

[C]

There on this play right here. We're. My man. I love him. My man Newsom is sitting in the COVID three. He like, he trying to jump the out route. You just got to stay high on that. Like he's running. Don't. Don't try to be nosy. You know what I'm saying? He was nosy. I'm like, why is he wide open? That's like a cover 3. Wide open right there. So we gotta stay high to low. Gotta stay high to low there for Jacksonville.

[A]

Big. Yeah, he pick up 36. We had the 20. Now the jags, man.

[C]

Okay, this is where it gets crazy for me, too.

[A]

Again, this get crazy. I don't even give a damn. What happened the first three. Page, we get to the fourth and one, okay? At the 11 yard line, right? Yes. Literally carry this man off of his feet for three to five yards, bro.

[C]

His feet was in the air for four, four to five. For the probably five years, dude, his.

[A]

Feet was in the air three to five yards, period. I mean, not touching the ground. They were carrying him. Yeah, yeah. He hits the ground. Now they push him an additional 4 to 7 yard. 5 to 7 yards. Yes. They end up first down in goal. From the inch one, bro. From the 11 yard line, bro. They go outlaw this tush push. They are about to outlaw this tush.

[C]

Because at the same time, now, the defensive players. I saw the Jacksonville, buddy, my man did beat number 30, he turned around and, like, guy was, like, running back towards the goal line like the play was over. And while he's getting lifted up and dragged. So you can't.

[A]

And you can't. You remember, you can't submarine and dive in.

[C]

Can't submarine. You can't jump into the pile. So now I'm like, what you want us to do? Start tackling the offensive tackle so. Cause he's the one. Josh Allen's feet are off the ground, so now I gotta go tackle the guard. So then both of them end up going onto the ground. It looked. Yeah, that. That looked crazy.

[A]

Like, dude, if that's the case, I ought to be able to. If I catch a dude in the air and he at the numbers and I catch him right here, I should be able to carry him all the way to the sideline and throw him out. As long as his feet don't touch the ground. That should be incomplete. No point. Like, what's going on.

[C]

For real, though, Debo. Yes.

[A]

You know? Yes, man. Listen, they end up going in there, get the touchdown. 27, 24 Jazz. Get the ball back now.

[C]

I knew the game was over now.

[A]

Of course the first play was over. My man didn't have a chance.

[C]

OG OG White, tredavious White, great coverage. Just hand there. Right on time. He had the backhand not even grabbing, no grabbing. It's just right here just in case. But I'm going to hit the ball with my left hand, and I'm going to have you nice and just in case. Cliff Paul.

[A]

Game over, baby. Game. Game over. Listen, they ain't do nothing wrong, man. They just ain't do enough right. They just ain't had. They just ain't having. They just ain't doing enough right, I guess. Yes. Come on. You just ain't doing a couple of.

[C]

Little bad plays, Couple of little ones that they could have back the. The big. The big one. Just the bomb. The bomb there. A couple of little plays had back.

[A]

Man, you know, fourth quarter, you know, you gotta. You gotta close it out. You gotta stand up, you know. Came down to it. Buffalo defense close it out at the end. I mean, it was, you know, wasn't that much time left either, but they still went on here and got the ball back. Could kneel that thing out and, you know, and keep it going. That's game, man.

[C]

That's game.

[A]

It's okay, man. Ain't nothing wrong with it. Ain't nothing wrong with it.

[C]

We're gonna see. Buffalo did good, man. And I, Josh Allen, Hooped was able to get. He got the. You got Cook, he got his wide receivers. I mean, Coleman made some good play. I seen Keon. Coleman was out there. He got some really nice tight ends. So, yeah, if he keeps. He's gonna have to play at a high level. And now Mahomes isn't in it. Lamar isn't in it. He's one of the best quarterbacks in the joints.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Hopefully he can go out there and do it.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. So I'm assuming that they're ending up going to. They'll go to Denver, right? Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Damn, man. I mean, we gotta. Yeah, we gotta win this game, bro.

[C]

We got. We gotta win this game. You have to win this game.

[A]

Speaking of winning this game, man, the Bears had to win that game.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

The Bears didn't win that game. I don't even know if the Bears won that game as so much as the. The packers lost it, though. Like, it's 20. What was it? 21 to three and a half, bro.

[C]

The Bears, dude, it was 21 six and the four.

[A]

No, Green Bay come out second half. And they sold on everything. Offense, defense, special teams. Offense made like they ain't know how to pick up nobody how to, how to, how to. How to do anything with the pressure. They couldn't convert on third down. I think they was two or eight on third down. They started the second half. Oh, for four in the first four drives to start the second half. Dude, nothing. Dude. They got Chicago 21 and got zero points because the special team sold. They missed the field goal. Wendy Love out there just. Just throwing picks all game. The defense, man, they make, man, they couldn't stop a nosebleed. They let them boys score five or six of the possessions they had in the second half. They didn't even. They couldn't even do. They couldn't even get enough pressure just to try and close it out at the end, bro. They had misalignments, mis assignments out, leveraged everything out. Coached.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

It looked like somebody went in there and made adjustments somebody else didn't. Yep.

[C]

Somebody kept the status quo and somebody did it.

[A]

Like, you didn't think they was gonna come out and try and change something, do something, and then you should tell them, hey, we doing this right now. We go keep doing this until they adjust to it. And when they do, this is gonna be the plan we go go with. They obviously wasn't told that.

[C]

Nope.

[A]

I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't think they was Told that. Who fault is that? Who fault is that, Joe? Who you. Who fought? Is that. You think. You think. You think should be. No, he ain't gonna answer some questions.

[C]

He should be definitely answering some questions. Cause yo is not supposed to be up 213 at halftime and 21 to 6 going in the fourth quarter and lose the game at all. You know what I'm saying? You have your. You have your ballers out there. You have Jordan Love, you have your running back. You have your receivers. There's no reason why, like, just being able to extend drives. We're not asking you to go score touchdowns every drive, but you have a lead by two. Two. Two and a half. Touch two, like, by a big lead. You have to be able to sustain that.

[A]

So, no, it was 15 in the fourth.

[C]

Your defense is out there selling fourth downs.

[A]

So Caleb.

[C]

That Caleb Williams scrambled to the side on 4 for 9. That throw was unbelievable. But you got to make those plays. So I think the Bears going out there with their coaching staff, being able to put them in positions like it was Black Friday. They was out there selling.

[A]

It was sounding like it was Black Friday. Everything was 50% off.

[C]

Come on, man.

[A]

The floor.

[C]

Gonna have to ask.

[A]

But, hey, look here, man.

[C]

Go ahead.

[A]

According to espn, okay, It's a report this morning that the packers are expected to work out a deal to retain LaFleur.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Well, It's interesting. I just. You know, if he going.

[C]

If he's in the open market, I'll take him.

[A]

You'll take anybody right now, Joe. I'd rather y' all take him than hardball.

[C]

No, obviously, obviously. But I'm saying that'll be my second candidate. I don't think he's a. I don't think he's a bad coach, but that was not that.

[A]

That was performance right there. Let's. He has more of many. He got more.

[C]

He got more bad than him.

[A]

He got. Hey, he. If you did it once, you could do it again.

[C]

You as good as your last performance. Hey, my man Debo.

[A]

Telling him, hey, no question. You only. Hey, it's playoff time now.

[C]

You ain't lying.

[A]

That's. That's the last thing they gonna remember.

[C]

Yep, that's a big one.

[A]

Okay. Speaking of playoff time.

[C]

You know what time it is?

[A]

Go ahead. Playing that home against the Texans. Look here, let me. Let me. Joe, Joe, let me tell you what need to be done here, man. I'm just gonna get a quick. Yeah, yeah. Get down here, Joe. It's simple offense. Run the ball successfully and I'm not talking five, six, seven. Listen, three, four yards that is successful against this defense, okay? We need to add the little quick game pass run alternatives that add to the run game so we can stay ahead of the change. Joe.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

We gotta stay. Have to third in long situations. Joe.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

Which will help minimize them two dudes over there, Hunter and Anderson.

[C]

Okay? Great players.

[A]

We have to protect Rogers at all costs. Cannot commit. Zero turnovers. Zero. Now, defense, we cannot allow Houston to run the ball with any kind of success. Point blank period. We have to be great tacklers, especially when they pass and they do the same stuff we do, short passes. They account. Or they. They account for the yak. They want the yak. Okay. They want the yak. We have to be great passers. I mean, great tacklers. Okay?

[C]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

Now, that gets them to where they're in those passing situations. Yes. Hey, CJ Is not a outdoor quarterback. He plays indoors. The weather should be an issue for him. And with the pressure and the sex that we need to get on him, we cannot get those. If we lose. Contained. We have to keep contained. And what's the dude's name, the backup? Mills. I'm hearing he didn't travel with them. Oh, I'm hearing he had something going on that he didn't. He didn't travel with the team. So. So we get a chance to get a clean, clean one. As he trying to ease his way out of bounds. But he still got that foot in. There. Ain't no easing up. Okay? Now with all this said. Defense, defense, defense. I need y' all to be priceless. I need y' all to be like a priceless artifact that cannot be bought or sold. We cannot, cannot sell today. Defense. No be priceless.

[C]

Tell you. I'm gonna tell you. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Deebo, let me tell you something. You ain't lying. Defense. You know who I'm talking to? Exactly? I'm talking to Joey Porter Jr. And I'm obviously talking to Asante Samuel. Whoever we're going to have on those outsides, we're going to need to maintain. We're going to have to keep a hat on a top on Nico Collins, because with our defensive line, when we stop in this run game, that's going to help us because they're going to try to get that play action. And when our linebackers come up those little post routes right behind their heads, that's what Houston thrives on. So we need to make sure we're sticky on those. And if we're winning at the line and making sure that on first down they don't win and get these big things. So on the. When they do run play actions, our lineman, a lot of linebackers aren't just getting out the way. So there's big old areas, space for those posts. I'm letting Joey Porter Jr. Asante Samuel, be ready for these posts. Safety, keep a top on Nico Collins because that will kill you. You, our defensive line, stop that run. We're going to need y' all there. Like you said, Angles, don't let him get out of there. Keep him in the pocket and we're going to maintain it. So defense, ball out and do it for four quarters. You know, you could get all hyped. We do it for the first half, then we get out to the third, and then we do it good. And the next thing you know, we just leaving people running open. We're leaving people scot free. You know what I'm saying? Giving up yards that we shouldn't be giving up. Let's have a full game of just doing what we know we can do and just crush them. And then we gonna move forward to the next challenge. So right now, let's just handle the challenge in front of us. We got Houston. It's coming to our crib for the playoffs. We're gonna be there. You're gonna be there. I'm gonna be there.

[A]

Come on. What we say, Joe?

[C]

What we say?

[A]

Every man whoop a man. Every good man Whoop 2. 2 Cam. Whoop 2. TJ. TJ Whoop 2. Highsmith. Whoop 2. Jalen Ramsey. Why he should have been answering them questions about them outside pass rushes. Cause they go whoop two. Two whoop two. Every man whoop a man.

[C]

And every good man whoop2.

[A]

You know who else counting this fans, the stadium need to be rocking. If my ears ain't ringing, it ain't right. Oh, I feel horrible. I don't want to be able to hear after I leave out. I want to be in here with a hearing aid in on Tuesday trying to talk about the game. Cause I can't hear what the hell is going on. The stadium ought to be rocking. That's your job. Y' all don't realize that that noise that we hear, that rumble on the ground.

[C]

Well, I got chills.

[A]

Debo gives us something that drives us, that gives us energy.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Boom, boom, boom.

[C]

Yep. Oh, it's turn. It's gonna be turned tonight. It's gonna be turned tonight.

[A]

Be.

[C]

I'm in route. I'm in route hey.

[A]

Now it's time for play of.

[C]

It's time for playoff fade.

[A]

Okay, Presented by prize picks, let'. All right, Joe, look here, baby.

[C]

Yes, sir.

[A]

You know how I work. Here's my picks for tonight game. Oh, play it or you faded. You know what I'm doing. Ha. I'mma fade you, bro. I'm gonna fade you. I'm gonna fade. We doing a straight up fade right there in the suite. Okay? I got DK for Mo because they gonna crown and leave him in some one on ones play. I got Aaron Rodgers for MO1. Are y' all crazy? Bump that by 200.

[C]

Are you stupid or dumb or Mo?

[A]

I still would have said mo@3.49. What? Yes. See, they gonna give us what we need. He gonna be under so much pressure, running for his life trying to get out of there. He just go chucking duck cause he don't want to be hit. I got Mo on the int and. Hey, Straw, that boy ain't getting. He. He ain't getting. He ain't getting. He ain't getting more than. More than 229. So I got him on last. Joe, what are you going to do with this?

[C]

You know exactly what I'm gonna do.

[A]

What you gonna do, Joe?

[C]

Play.

[A]

Look here, man. Y' all heard my boy say he playing this and everybody on this should be playing this. Look here. Download the app today and use the code Debo. Joe, he's a lot the lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. Y' all don't want to miss nothing. You don't want to actually make us upset, okay? So make sure you do what's necessary when you at this game, okay? We talking about the game. When you're at the game, we gonna be there. All y' all gotta do is look up, look out. Y' all go see us, okay? Come on. If y' all ain't so loud, I can't hear myself think. I'm gonna be supremely upset. Joe, please. Joe, are you gonna be upset, Joe?

[C]

I'm gonna be pissed because I'm gonna be hyped. They gonna hear me. I'm gonna be a reason why we loud.

[A]

Okay?

[C]

I'm gonna see. I'm gonna be right next to you. I'll be looking at you, Debo, like this. What's up, Debo? You turned. Are you gonna be hype?

[A]

Hey, I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to text Joe. I'll be sitting next to Joe. Huh? Who? Hey. Oh, I'm gonna text you, Joe.

[C]

Okay? Okay.

[A]

That's what we did.

[C]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[A]

Better be so loud. I gotta text him just to talk to him. That's what we need.

[C]

That's what we need. Coach, I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm about to be in route right now.

[A]

Look here, man, we got super chat. Hey, there, there. Go there, gonna go. Come to life. $20. She back. She said Happy Mondays and congrats. Happy Monday, and congratulations to the winner of the tickets. Yes, I guess I. I guess I'll be at home with my Jesus wine ready and my blood pressure cup prepared. I love how ESPN uses your clips. It's Monday night. Let's go win. Let's go win.

[C]

Hey, let's go, man. Please, please, let's get this dub.

[A]

You understand that?

[C]

Yes, Debo, I understand.

[A]

Listen, six foot. Hey, six foot eight. Aquarius just donated two dollars and said. Listen, you tell me how you spell it. Oh, they call him Juice. He said they call him juice44 and he a fullback.

[C]

Yo, Kyle. He's a he. He promo, too.

[A]

Kyle. How you say his name?

[C]

It's like Schlesinger.

[A]

Spell it, spell it, spell it. Spell it how it's supposed to be pronounced. Because I. It damn sure don't sound like whatever that is.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Hey, can somebody please tell me how to say his name?

[C]

Yeah, don't get me lying.

[A]

Use check. Use check. Use check. What?

[C]

Kyle. Kyle.

[A]

Use check. Kyle's. Use check. Use check. What?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

J, U, S, Z, C. We got.

[C]

YK we got to do better.

[A]

That's.

[C]

That's on me.

[A]

Joe. Joe.

[C]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. I know, I know, Debo. Listen, Joe, I'm gonna see you later, brother.

[C]

Yes, sir.

[A]

And hey, y' all make sure y' all come back here tomorrow 11am so.

[C]

We can talk about that for the party.

[A]

Like, like James. I, I, I, I, I. We about to be eating on tonight. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe.

[C]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Bro, what you doing after the game, bro? Because after we get this win, man, I got a bottle of. I got a bottle of Don Perry on. I think it's a 1976, bro. We can pop open the cell, celebrate.

[C]

You know, I'm hanging out with you. I'm hanging out.

[A]

Okay. Okay. Look here, man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo. Enjoy. Hey, make sure you hit the like button and subscribe.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Right back here on Monday. I mean, sorry, tomorrow, Tuesday.

[C]

Tomorrow.

[A]

Tomorrow. Why did I say Monday? Because it's Monday right now.

[C]

Monday right now. Hey, this game.

[A]

Y' all be back here for. For celebrations so everybody can be happy. Drink. Drink. Be happy. Mary.

[C]

Mary, Jolly Joe, come on. I'm gonna see y' all here tomorrow for the party. Be here tomorrow for the party.

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[C]

Guaranteed Human.