Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Deebo reacts to Pacman calling him out + Rodgers decision soon? Myles Garrett staying?

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe, Part 1: Deebo Reacts to Pacman Calling Him Out + Rodgers Decision Soon? Myles Garrett Staying?

Date: March 30, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Guests: Deebo & Joe

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Episode Overview

This engaging episode of Club Shay Shay features a spirited, in-depth conversation between Deebo and Joe, both former NFL standouts and unfiltered analysts of the league's biggest headlines. Centered around swirling NFL rumors, player contracts, and real talk on Steelers, Browns, and Bengals controversies, the episode is defined by candid banter, insider perspective, and expert-level football nuance. Deebo responds directly to Pacman Jones’ public call-out, discusses tampering accusations, and the duo break down high-stakes contract negotiations and organizational moves affecting T.J. Watt, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Burrow, and Myles Garrett.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Is T.J. Watt Overpaid? Debunking the Bleacher Report Critique

Timestamps: 04:07 – 11:30

• Deebo and Joe address Bleacher Report’s claim that T.J. Watt is the Steelers’ most overpaid player, calling the headline “wild” (04:07).
• Joe's defense of T.J. Watt:
  • “He hasn’t showed any signs of slowing down. TJ is TJ—when he's out there, he performs. Not only sacks, [it’s] with interceptions, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries.” (05:36)
  • Points out Watt’s injury (punctured lung), not a lack of production, as the reason for diminished stats.
  • Discusses T.J. Watt's impact beyond stats, such as drawing double-teams and improving team defense when playing.
• Deebo adds:
  • “When you look, when we don’t have T.J.—win percentage plummets, sack rate is bottom third. When he’s there, it’s top five. Turnovers, points allowed—his impact is everywhere.” (07:32)
• Comparison with Myles Garrett and emphasis on leadership and intangibles.
• Both agree: T.J. Watt’s contract reflects his value, both past and present, and it's justified.

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2. Aaron Rodgers’ Future: Will the Steelers Pay Up?

Timestamps: 11:30 – 23:31

• Deebo dives into Steelers president Art Rooney’s expectation that Aaron Rodgers will make a decision before the NFL Draft—but Deebo isn’t buying it:
  • “Aaron is not going to give you a decision until you give this man numbers, okay? ... He’ll retire before he comes back for what he came back for last year.” (12:28)
• Referencing Rodgers’ own statements on the Pat McAfee Show—no offer means no decision.
• On what Rodgers deserves:
  • “He saved our ass last year, dude. ... You kind of owe the man some back pay.” (13:58)
• Joe and Deebo discuss fair value:
  • “If I want him back, I would offer him $30 million…one more year, run with what we got, sink or swim.” (20:01)
  • Debate whether to give cap space to Rodgers or develop Will Howard.
• Business side: Omar Khan’s ability to work the cap to keep the core intact (23:44).
• Notable reflection on the player–organization standoff and the importance of fair veteran compensation.

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3. Pacman Jones Calls Out Deebo for Tampering: The Joe Burrow-to-Steelers Jokes

Timestamps: 24:00 – 35:25

• The episode pivots as Deebo responds to Pacman Jones’ public claims about tampering with Bengals’ Joe Burrow and recruiting to Pittsburgh:
  • “Yes, Pac man called me, okay? We had a conversation about Joe Burrow. ... It was a productive conversation.” (26:01)
  • Humor and bravado around ‘recruiting’ Burrow: “I’m not employed by the Stillers, so tampering don’t apply!” (26:44)
• Deebo’s Ohio roots and anecdotes about switching allegiance from Browns to Steelers:
  • “As I became a man, I put away childish things ... became a Stillers fan.” (27:07)
• Colorful, tongue-in-cheek pitch to Bengals ownership about giving Burrow a chance at legendary status by coming to Pittsburgh (29:13).
  • “If you really care about it, you give him a chance, okay? At truly a legendary career with a legendary organization.”
• Joking recruitment of Burrow (Black & Gold over Orange & Black) and playful trash talk about ‘cloud’ over Bengals and Browns (34:10).

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4. Browns Drama: Myles Garrett’s Non-Trade & Front Office Doubts

Timestamps: 35:25 – 50:22

• Deebo analyzes Browns GM Andrew Berry’s assertion that Myles Garrett will not be traded:
  • “I understand all the questions, but… I don’t want to waste a ton more breath on the topic.” (35:25)
• Joe is skeptical:
  • “He could trade Miles if he wants to. Obviously he did it for a reason.” (36:34)
  • Discussing contract restructures, noting moves may be made “to give himself wiggle room after the draft.” (43:07)
• Deebo: “It ain’t always about what you say, it’s about what you don’t say.” (45:45)
• The duo debate the real motivations behind contract maneuvers, hinting that public statements from GMs often mask ongoing business (“They’re gonna tell us, ‘No, right now, he not going nowhere,’ ... talking to the Raiders on the phone.” (44:39))

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5. Cleveland’s Quarterback Situation: Ty Simpson, Watson, and the ‘McDonald’s Grill’ GM

Timestamps: 46:43 – 52:24

• Deebo pokes at GM Berry’s public consideration of Ty Simpson as Browns QB competition:
  • “He believes Ty Simpson is good enough to compete with Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson.”
  • Skepticism about investing time in “a guy no one has as a first-rounder” (47:56)
• Joe’s take: “I don’t know why Andrew Berry’s doing it. I wouldn’t. ... I like Shador more.” (48:22)
• Deebo needles Joe: “Is your GM still cooking, or is he grilling at McDonald’s?” (49:01)
• Ultimately, Joe maintains confidence in Watson, calls Simpson “not bad” but not the answer for Cleveland right now.

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6. Player-Driven Change: 49ers Upgrades After Player Report Card

Timestamps: 52:53 – 54:18

• Deebo and Joe praise the 49ers’ front office for addressing player concerns from the NFLPA report card:
  • Team adds physical therapists and invests $9 million in facilities after negative grades.
  • “John Lynch is a former player. He knows these report cards are real and have credibility.” (53:50)
• Both celebrate transparency and player-first moves, contrasting with broader NFL practices where money rules:
  • “The NFL only cares about the bottom line…when it starts affecting the money, then things get changed.” (56:52–57:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On T.J. Watt:
  “When he’s out there, other guys are getting more opportunities. ... That is things you don’t see on the record, but that indicates yo, when he’s out there—it makes a difference.” – Deebo (07:32)
• On Rodgers’ value:
  "He saved our ass last year, dude … you kind of owe the man some back pay." – Deebo (13:58)
• On GM’s credibility:
  “It ain’t always about what you say, it’s about what you don’t say.” – Deebo (45:45)
• On Browns front office:
  “He might be cooking on the Grill at McDonald’s right now.” – Deebo, roasting Andrew Berry’s QB plans (48:40)
• Joe's self-aware moment:
  “We don’t need a quarterback right now. That’s what I’m saying. I’ve been saying it. I lift weights and we don’t need a quarterback.” (52:24, 52:34)
• On the “cloud” over Ohio teams:
  “Tell him how dark that cloud is over you when you get to week 10. Joe Burrow being mathematically eliminated—that’s not a good feeling.” – Deebo (34:42–35:10)

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Episode Structure & Flow

• Opening banter and NFL rumor breakdown (03:54–07:00)
• Deep dive on T.J. Watt's contract and worth (04:07–11:30)
• Rodgers’ contract negotiation logic and team impact (11:30–23:31)
• Fun, fiery back-and-forth on ‘tampering’ with Joe Burrow, Cincinnati–Pittsburgh rivalry, and Pacman’s warnings (24:00–35:25)
• Cleveland Browns section: Myles Garrett trade noise, GM antics, and QB rumors (35:25–52:24)
• Discussion on NFLPA report cards and 49ers organizational improvements (52:53–54:18)
• Closing reflections on the business priorities of the NFL (55:38–57:09)

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Takeaways

• This episode was a no-holds-barred football roundtable, blending expert analysis with authentic opinions and plenty of locker-room humor.
• Key topics were dissected: contract controversies, front office transparency, the intersection of player value and organizational strategy.
• The Steelers, Browns, and Bengals all get grilled—sometimes literally—while the overarching message is about fair play, respect for veteran value, and the ongoing struggle for player empowerment in the league.

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For fans of NFL hot takes, inside-the-locker-room wisdom, and genuine football talk, this episode is not to be missed!

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[Joe]

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[Deebo]

How you doing?

[Joe]

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[Deebo]

Yes. No question about it baby. No question about it. Look here man. Bleacher report. They over there tripping man. Wild. They saying TJ is the Steelers, you know most overpaid player. Future report says he has an incredible career but watch 3 year 123 million dollar contract makes him the third highest played defender in in the, in the league. His sack numbers have plummeted in back to back campaigns entering into age 32

[Joe]

season.

[Deebo]

Well he's 32 this season. Eight time Pro Bowler. Yes. It's not even close to being worth that kind of money these days. Who Joe, they tripping. Do you agree or disagree?

[Joe]

I, I, I don't, I don't agree. I don't agree at all. But, but this is the thing, Debo, once you're, when you, when you're the highest paid player, you know how people are actions. They need to see production. Once you start getting that second contract, that third contract, they don't care about any of the stuff that you've done before, any of those previous years. That's irrelevant to the, to the fan or to the player. That, to the people, when they're looking at them playing, they see TJ, they see $123 million that the Steelers are paying and they, they're looking at. That's what we need. We need that production every single year, Every single season, every single snap this year. He was hurt, you know what I'm saying? Like, he, he, he got his lung punctured. When TJ's out there.

[Deebo]

Thank you. He's.

[Joe]

He's put, like, it's not like it was a, like an ankle or, or soft tissue. He had his lung punctured and it was a situation that went down and, and I think if he was out there, he would have still been balling. He hasn't showed any signs of, like, slowing down. TJ is tj, when he's out there, he performs. He not only with sacks, with interceptions, with force, fumbles, with fumble recoveries. He's not just out there just, you know what I'm saying, making sacks, he's creating turnovers, he's getting the ball out. He's doing that. So from the fans perspective, when you look at it and you see $40 million, I know that's a big number like that, but it's, that's what, that's what the going rate is. When you have a TJ Watt on your team that produces like, that sucks. Like last year, it wasn't good. But having him playing, I'm expecting him to be the same T.J. watt, and he's expecting himself to be T.J. watt. So honestly, coming up on it, he does have to produce. He does. We need TJ Watt out there in the majority of the games. Like, hopefully no punctured lung, you know what I'm saying? Like, just by his own will out there to just ball do what he got to do. So I'm, I don't think TJY is overpaid. I think that TJY is getting what he's deserved. He came in, it's back pay. It's what he was doing for us. TJY has 115 career sacks, nine picks, 36 force fumbles, and 14 force and 14 fumble recoveries. Like, he's with Miles Garrett, 125 career sacks, zero picks, 23 force fumbles, and six fumble recoveries. So it's like you have what, like statistically you might not. He doesn't look like Miles Garrett, but the numbers are the numbers. You get that production. When you have TJ Watt on the field, you have Miles Garrett type numbers. So I'm expecting him to be out there a leader on the team. I don't want him to go anywhere. But that's why, like, as a fan, they're looking at it like, dude, he's getting that bag. So we need him to be performing like that or we can move on.

[Deebo]

What do you think about it if, if you're going purely by the numbers and him being what they say, the third highest paid defender in the league and having the numbers he's had over the last two years, yes, I'll say it don't correlate with the money, but you're, you're not looking at the things that don't count on the goal sheet and categories that don't really show up as, you know, stats. And that's him taking up two, sometimes three players. You know, every play that are assigned to him. So he's working through double teams. And as you said, it's only one person in the league that gets doubled more than him, and that's Myles Garrett. TJ is number two. Add that with him constantly being chipped, like, come on. It's not always about the numbers. And when you do that and you got a guy that is taking two and three, you're giving your other players the opportunity to have the one on one matchups where every man whoop a man, you getting those opportunities. And when you look at him even right now as a top three edge rusher who is, you know, getting paid the money that he's getting paid. For me, I think he's worth it. Because when you look when they don't have him, when we don't have TJ, dude, what we at 10, 15% win percentage. The sack rate is bottom third. Points allowed, jump from 18 to 24 to 27. Turnovers plummet. When TJ is there, it's 60 to 75%. We got a chance of winning when he's there. Sac rate is top five points, 18 to 20 force fumbles, top 10. So that is things that you, you, you don't see on the record, you don't see in the numbers. But that indicates that yo, when he's out there, other guys are getting more opportunities out there. Thousand percent. They don't understand that concept.

[Joe]

And because in the last two years, did they say his production is slipped. He went. His last two years ago was 11 and a half sacks, and then last season was seven. Seven sacks with two picks. But I'm like, okay, I understand that. That's still 18 sacks in the last two years. It may be a little dip, but now TJ, I'm thinking him in 16 games, he's went. He started off rookie season, seven sacks, then 13, then 14 and a half, then 15, then we go 22, five. Okay. Then we go five and a half. Something happened, injuries, whatever. Next season after that, 19. And then two years ago, 11 and a half, then last season, seven. I'm just. That's a lot of sacks. That's a lot of production, and that's tj. And I'm thinking him coming back now, making sense, him knowing too. I'm making 40 a year. I don't think TJ likes these numbers. He wants to be around at 15, 16. He's 19. You know what I'm saying? He had 19. He had 22 and a half sacks before. So I think he can still get to those big numbers, and I think he wants to get to those big numbers. And I think just his overall production, his. Through the totality, he has the benefit of the doubt. That I believe, like, okay, last year aspiration, you got hit in the lung. Come back this season, fully rested, ready to go and show them what you got. So, I mean, I think TJ Is definitely going to ball out and prove it to everybody. But it's just the stuff that you said, too, having him out there being chipped, you know what I'm saying? Opening up other people look at it something that you.

[Deebo]

Ten years ago, this dude, he up to now, he's being chipped almost double the percentage of the time he was getting chipped two years ago. He was getting doubled two years ago. And you know, when you don't have that pressure you're giving your DBs, they got to cover longer. So the defense is. When he's not out there, the defense, the defense, the DBs, they got to cover longer. Like, you're not sitting out there talking about, okay, 1, 2, 3. Now you're like, oh, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Oh, man, what's going on?

[Joe]

Yep, yep.

[Deebo]

You know what I'm saying? So for them to go and say, you know, he's no. That. That doesn't correlate with me, because they're looking at just pure numbers. If you're looking at pure numbers, then that may correlate to you. But if you know the game and you understand what's really going on and how he affects the game outside of the number, that's. It's just false. It's false, man. And Art, Art said that, you know, he's expecting Aaron Rodgers to answer before the draft. He said, I still expect that. I expect we'll get an answer before the draft. When I talked to him and Omar talked to him, he told us he's. He was going to take a. He wasn't going to take as long this year as he did last year to make a decision. I'm not 100% sure what that means, but I'm expecting something before the dry. Joe. Yo, I don't think they understand.

[Joe]

Joe. I don't think.

[Deebo]

Listen, I do not think that. Listen, the Steelers do not understand. Aaron is not going to give you a decision until you give this man numbers, okay? Because he not coming back for what he came back for last year, period. I believe he'll retire before he come back for what he came back for last year. He just said, what was it? Hell, I had said weeks ago when he was on the Pat McAfee Show. And he said, well, they have not gave me an offer or a deal yet. So until he gets something sitting in front of him, he's going to sit there and wait. Colin Cord, he just said on Friday, he was like, quote, I don't think think he said, I think Aaron Rodgers, I think Aaron Rodgers did an absolute, absolutely out. Out. Absolutely outplayed his contract. Sorry. And then he said on top of that, Aaron making 32 million isn't. Is, is reasonable, dude. Like, and when you look at it, your mid tier guys, they look what, 20 to 30 and then everybody else that's considered good is 30 and up and then you got your 40 plus that are, you know, excellent. You know, guys like that, like he saved our ass last year, dude. Like, he kind of, you know, he kind of. You kind of owe the man some back pay, you know. So if the Steelers, if the Steelers want a decision before the draft, they're going to have to give him numbers before the draft. Otherwise why would he do anything else than just sit back there? The man done made over 380 million in his career, dude.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo]

You're talking about another 100 plus million in endorsements. So he not hurting for money, man. Until y' all give him an offer, he ain't coming back. He ain't even thinking about doing nothing. Like that. Tell you what you do. Just go there and get a man, say, hey, 30. Just go 30 and see where it goes from there. If y' all really want him back. Because obviously you must. Must want him back. You're sitting there and you know we're waiting on him.

[Joe]

So.

[Deebo]

So.

[Joe]

So I'm. I'm a little confused. So he. They want the. The. The Steelers want him to say that he's coming back. Just.

[Deebo]

And then without. Without.

[Joe]

And then. Then we get to talk.

[Deebo]

That's what I'm assuming. I'm not saying, but that's what it sounds like because he said on the Pat mc. He said that like, yo, I haven't got an offer yet. I haven't had anything to look at. He hasn't made a decision because he doesn't have a decision to make yet. Because if they come with 10, his decision will be made, I'm pretty sure.

[Joe]

Okay. That's what you're saying. Okay, well, that's. If that's making sense, well, then the Steelers need to go ahead and throw that offer out before the draft. That they want to get an answer. Because if he's just.

[Deebo]

He.

[Joe]

He's. Like you said, he's not. I'm with you a thousand percent. If I. Because I didn't know the situation like that. If you don't have a offer, talking

[Deebo]

about it, no, but two, three weeks ago.

[Joe]

But I didn't. I didn't know that. They didn't offer him anything. They just want him to say, yeah, I'm coming back, and now we can get to negotiate.

[Deebo]

They want him to say, yes, I want to play. So they're hoping that his desire to want to play will get him to take a friendlier. What like he's. Do.

[John Green]

Do.

[Deebo]

He saved us last year. We. We. We're not sitting. We're not sitting nowhere close to.500 if he's not playing last year.

[Joe]

No, I'm with you. You.

[Deebo]

Right. He definitely outplayed the contract that he signed. Like, yo, it's some back pay. And right now the average is about 30.

[Joe]

That's crazy. I don't. Are you paying? What? What. What are you paying a Rod. If you. If you.

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[Joe]

Still is you offering them 30?

[Deebo]

You debo, if I want him back, I would offer him 30. Me personally, I'm just gonna say, you know what? It's gonna be one more year. Let's just go ahead and run with what we got right now and we sink or swim. And from there, if we need to get something next year, then we get it. But if I'm going to say, you know what, I feel like Aaron can be that, that, that the quarterback that can put us to where we're fighting for a championship, then yes, here. Hey, 30, let's talk. Where we at? What do you think?

[Joe]

I think the. I think if they're really trying to make it happen. A rod did honestly say the squad he was. He. He did. He didn't do. He didn't do bad. I don't know. The 30 is crazy part, though. Cause I was thinking more he definitely outpaid his contract when he came in for the 10 12. Whatever it was, it's going on MCCARTHY Now I'm like, do you. Is it one. Because we're building the offense, we're building the team, building the line. Do we need that 34? If they think that that's going to be the reason. A Rod as the quarterback. We got the off, we got the running back, we got the receivers, we're bringing in the corners, we're getting the safeties. They have a solid team. If. If McCarthy thinks, all right, bet a rod with this squad that we got right now, we could run it for the 30. Take the 30. That's like, that's, that's. It's a no brainer for sure.

[Deebo]

So you offer the 30 and see where we go if.

[Joe]

Yes, I mean, yes, yes. Because right now it's 30 or it's 30 over Howard. It's 30 or will Howard. So. Because it's like you would have another additional funds to bring more players, bring more linemen. That money is helping out the team with Bill to help out Will Howard. Do you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, if a rod can do it with the 30 and we like what we got, you know what I'm saying? We bringing in our draft picks and make it happen. We could build this team with a rod and compete. And that's what McCarthy thinks. Smooth. If he thinks that 30 can help will Howard, and if he don't do it, then we know we need a quarterback for sure, like for future. But we still got the squad. We're still building peoples. We're still getting nice players everywhere. So when we do get that quarterback next season, you know what I'm saying, then we'll be good. So it's either a rod for the 30 or we rocking with Will to bring more pieces to get the team right with that extra 30, you know what I'm saying? But I'm thinking whichever one McCarthy thinks. But with me, I. I would rock with the. I would rock with the A rod then. Cause he's guaranteed it's a Hall of Famer. He did what he did for us last year. We're getting better pieces. Everybody's gonna perform. We got TJ, he did healthy. We got Dean Porter Jr. Safeties, you know what I'm saying? Like, I won't rock out with him.

[Deebo]

Interior D lineman, interior D line.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying? Queen hungry. You like, man, y' all got me messed up. Like, I deserve it. I'm still young. I'm a nice linebacker. So you know her big

[Deebo]

GM hat on, though. And I'm like, hey, GM owner, I ain't talking about a rebuild. I want to win it. Then.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, no, I gotta go ahead

[Deebo]

and throw him at least the eight. Yeah, we thinking 30 for the year.

[Joe]

It makes sense. It makes sense because, look, when you think about it, when we start talking about the 30, you can't be looking at the 30 like people are making 60, you know what I'm saying? 2. They making 50. Like a rod at the 30 ball, like. You know what I'm saying? Sam Darnold, he signed his extension for at 35 a year. That was cool. Like, okay, 30 isn't crazy. When you really. When you really sum it all up. Like, we gonna get a veteran quarterback that's going to come hold down the ship. We know what we got. It's a rod.

[Deebo]

All right.

[Joe]

Okay. Rock. Rock out.

[Deebo]

No question, brother.

[Joe]

You got me there, Debo. You got me there.

[Deebo]

Yeah, man. Oh, you got like, sit back. Just look at it like, yo. I mean, I think we almost got like, what, maybe like 27 million in cap room right now. We may have to figure out something,

[Joe]

but we can move people's stuff into Garrett money. You know how that stuff go.

[Deebo]

Two, three. No, three, three, four million. Come on. Come on. We could. We could find some way to do something that ain't gonna be hard to do.

[Joe]

No, we could finagle. Omar know how to. Omar know how to move them numbers around.

[Deebo]

He was the money man for so long. He know how to. Yeah, listen, man, that's why he getting these signings, getting these great deals. Make making the money long, making it extend out long. You understand what I'm saying, bro? Look here, man. This man, Pac man has something to say about us recruiting, bro. See, Listen. Listen to it, man.

[Joe]

James Harrison had a comment talking about GP talking to Joe, bro.

[Deebo]

To go to Pittsburgh, this shitty ass state.

[Joe]

We're orange and black, not yellow and black. Our roads do not have big ass potholes in them.

[Deebo]

When you're driving around, you can ride

[Joe]

on 22s and 24s in Cincinnati.

[Deebo]

But he had the nerve to come

[Joe]

out and say that he had to

[Deebo]

talk to Joe Burrow. I talked to Joe Burrow.

[Joe]

Ain't no way in the hell Joe is Ohio boy.

[Deebo]

We do not want to go to Pittsburgh.

[Joe]

And I know what you sitting over there grinning and laughing about, Drew, because

[Deebo]

you played with this shitty ass organization that had all else on this goddamn report card. It seemed like it would be a downgrade to anybody that's leaving Cincinnati, go to goddamn Pittsburgh.

[Joe]

I'm just saying this gotta stop.

[Deebo]

It's gotta stop right now.

[Joe]

And I called James and I told him, hey, stop tampering with our players, too.

[John Green]

Hey, tell me this though, then why

[Deebo]

is Debo Saying that, is he just

[John Green]

making stuff up out of thin air?

[Joe]

I don't know what Debo. I think he had done smoked a cigar or something. You know, he'd be chewing up cigars.

[Deebo]

Maybe he had to live too many, too much weight. And just came up with this ironic idea about Joe Burrow going to Pittsburgh. This is. It's. It's ridiculous. Well, listen, still a lot of questions

[Joe]

around the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback position heading into. Well, find you one.

[Deebo]

Don't with ours.

[Joe]

Okay, well, listen, if the money's right

[John Green]

or if Mr. Brown gets something.

[Joe]

No, no, no. The money.

[Deebo]

Right.

[Joe]

The money is right.

[Deebo]

Joe.

[Joe]

Bo's getting paid 50 a year.

[Deebo]

Well, y' all ain't got the money to. Joe. What?

[Joe]

No. Debo, That's. That's you. What's up?

[Deebo]

Me? That means you, Joe.

[Joe]

That's you.

[Deebo]

Hey, look here, man. Yes, Pac man called me. Okay?

[Joe]

Okay.

[Deebo]

We had a conversation about Joe Burrow. And let's just say it was. Was.

[Joe]

It was a productive.

[Deebo]

Ah, that's the word I was looking for. It was a productive conversation.

[Joe]

There we go. That's the. That's what I needed to know.

[Deebo]

It was a very. I think it was productive.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Deebo]

I think it was productive. So, obviously, he started off by threatening me with, you know, with the tampering thing, but that don't work because I ain't employed by the stills, so.

[Joe]

You are not.

[Deebo]

We had to. We had to throw that out the window. Now, I understand. Ohio boy. I'm. I'm Ohio boy myself, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo]

AKA Rowdy. Rowdy west side County, Akron, Ohio, for y' all that don't know. Okay, now. And, yes, everybody knows. I don't if they don't know. I used to be a Browns fan. Okay?

[Joe]

And you did.

[Deebo]

That was when I was a. I was a young boy, and as I became a man, you know, as I became a man, I put away childish things and. Wow, I became. I became a Stillers fan, Joe. And that was kind of after the Browns fought to keep those shitty colors that just happened to be the identical color of Cincinnati's. And while I am thankful for the opportunity that Mr. Brown gave me back in 2013 to continue my career, and I showed my appreciation, Joe, by bringing him the AFC north title. Here, let me.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Deebo]

The AFC north title. I showed him my appreciation.

[Joe]

Good work.

[Deebo]

Remember that, Mr. Brown. I showed you that appreciation by giving that ASC north title 2013. Hey, I told you the title. Travel with me now. And I, I, I. And I proved that to you now, because in 24. I mean, in 14, y' all went to 22nd as a defense in NFL. When I was there, he was third in defense. And I. I ended up coming back and going to Pittsburgh. I'm retired. And I went to Pittsburgh. And you know what I did? Hold up, let me show you. What I did in Pittsburgh is when I came back in 14, what'd I do? I took the north with me. I took. Took the north with me.

[Joe]

All right, but good word, Debo.

[Deebo]

As I. As I spent time over there and Cincinnati Joe, I realized something.

[Joe]

What you realized, Coach?

[Deebo]

It was nothing that I could do to win a championship, man. So I say this to Mr. Brown, you know and I know we know what Joe Burrow deserves. And that's a chance win a championship.

[Joe]

Now I tell you, I tell you this. I much rather pay that Joe Burrow 50, 55, 60 than the 8. Then. Then, you know, then I'm all in for that over. Over anything.

[Deebo]

No question. Hey, and, hey, and, and, and listen. Nah, we know that's not gonna happen with Joe Burrow, Cincinnati. And if you really care about it, you give him a chance, okay? At truly. A truly legendary career with a truly legendary organization. Hey, Mr. Brown. And don't you worry about a none. We gonna make it worth it for you. You hear me? He gonna make it worth it for. I mean, not we. I'll say. The Stillers, the Steelers.

[Joe]

Yeah. You can't be in cahoots.

[Deebo]

Distillers gonna make it work for you, Mr. Brown. But listen, Mr. Brown, sir, you gotta listen to the voice of reason. That's me.

[Joe]

He not going. I hope. I pray.

[John Green]

Listen, that would be.

[Joe]

You know, I'm with you. I'm with you. It's all just one right there. The show. I'm.

[Deebo]

Bro, listen, I'm. You know what? I'm gonna call him Mr. Jones now. Because even though we are, we are friends. That's. That's a good brother, Mr. Adam Jones.

[Joe]

That's a good one. But that's a good one.

[Deebo]

My brother Joe Burrow. Me and him, we go sit on down, puffing one of these nice cigars or two, and we gonna figure out.

[Joe]

And it's not tampering, Debo. Cause you're not employed by the Stillers and not tampering.

[Deebo]

I ain't employed by the Steelers. Cause I know you on your free will, Joe.

[Joe]

You on your free will.

[Deebo]

Right now, Joe is missing wearing that gold and purple from LSU and winning championships. What's the next best thing, Joe?

[Joe]

Black and gold.

[Deebo]

Black and Gold and winning the bottoms, baby. You know it.

[Joe]

No, see, we will.

[Deebo]

You know it.

[Joe]

Joe, right now. We. Right now. We're recruiting right now. I'm on my stuff right now. I'm not employed by the Steelers, but I'm on my Steelers vibe right now.

[Deebo]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Yes, sir, Right now. I'm with you right now,

[Deebo]

Mr. Jones. Pac man, listen here. We don't care nothing about what you talking about, bruh. Yeah, y' all getting scared over there. You getting scared. You up there trying to call and all that. You up there talking to people. They. I'm on three way. I'm listening to what you're saying now. I'm just sitting there. They, like, listen to what he's saying. I hear nervousness in his voice. Chad. Chad. Ocho, Cinco, Ted Johnson. Shut your damn mouth. Let that man do what he supposed to do.

[Joe]

She'll put the rings in the screen, Debo. I ain't gonna lie to the rings looking fine. Rings looking on point.

[Deebo]

Let him see.

[Joe]

Ring looking on point. I can't let him see. I ain't gonna lie to you, Debo. Yo, whenever you pull out the ring, sometimes I'd be sitting there like this. Damn jokes look kind of sweet.

[Deebo]

Yes, sir. Those are kind of sweet. Hey, hey, hey. Joe.

[Joe]

Yes, sir. Burrow, burrow.

[Deebo]

Hey, listen, don't you worry nothing about what they saying. All is forgiven. All can be forgiven. Everything. But if you want to have a legendary career, just not have legendary numbers. You want to have something to show for it. To show for it. You know where to go. You know where to go. Joe. Joe. Yes, sir. Joe. Tell him, Joe.

[Joe]

See? Look, Debo, I'm letting you for the recruiting. I already know what it is. He know how I feel about it. You already know. I'm accepting. Joe Burrow, open arms. That would be unbelievable. And you know what time it is. We got the defense, we getting the receivers. I mean, I don't want to have to give him my. I'm. You know. You know what it is, Joe?

[Deebo]

They having trouble protecting you over there. They want you to go in there and have shootouts.

[Joe]

You threw it out.

[Deebo]

They only want to give you no defense. They don't want to get nobody to even try and stop putting points.

[Joe]

You do. You go out there with. You go out there with the Steelers, and you go. You keep up. You throwing up 35 points a game. Might go undefeated.

[Deebo]

You give me 35.

[Joe]

What are you talking about? I'm just saying. I'm just saying we just be out there comfortable talking about half.

[Deebo]

He said he wasn't even happy playing the game. He said he had to figure out what was going on, how to get his joy back mid season last year. I don't want you to feel that way, Joe. See, I want your happiness back. I want your joy.

[Joe]

Yep. I want you to love the game.

[Deebo]

I want.

[Joe]

I want you to love the game. I would not. I got there to Pittsburgh. I love the game. I ain't gonna lie to you. I did talk to him.

[Deebo]

Talk to him, Joe.

[Joe]

All you gotta do is do your 1/11. Just do your part and you gonna be good. Just do your part. You do your job at a high level.

[Deebo]

How'd it feel, Joe?

[Joe]

It felt good. You know, guys, first. First 2017 just was amazing.

[Deebo]

Woo.

[Joe]

Playoffs and all.

[Deebo]

Lord. Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe. Yo. Tell him how dark it is when you in Ohio. Tell him how dark that cloud is over you when you get into weak. When you get into week 10. Joe, stop. Hey, you know, tell the truth and shame the devil. All right.

[Joe]

You know? Yeah, I could tell. Joe Burrow being mathematically eliminated. Joe Burrow, that's not a good feeling. I know that. Hey, that hit you. Ah.

[Deebo]

Hey, we never been that.

[Joe]

I'm telling you. That's what I'm saying.

[Deebo]

Always been in the fight.

[Joe]

All right, Now I'm not. I'm not talking down on my. No more. No more. But there will be no more Browns down talk. We talking about the bank.

[Deebo]

Let's get into the Browns. While we talking about no Browns down talk. The boys over there, they reached. They. They modified the language of Miles Garrett's contract. Yes, but Andrew Barry says that the team will not trade Miles. He says Miles is a career Brown. He is one of the faces of the organization. I think we've been very clear both past and present in terms of feelings. I understand all the questions, but I'll be honest. I don't really want to waste a ton more breath on the topic. Joe, Joe, look here, Joe, this is.

[Joe]

This is.

[Deebo]

This is. This is what I. I have to say. Say about that. He said if we wanted to trade Miles, we wouldn't have needed to make a contract adjustment. Why do you think he made this statement? Why do you think. What was the reason that you would need to do. Why would Miles agree to doing this, to kicking his money back? Like, why, Joe? You tell me. Because that's your gm, Joe.

[Joe]

You know why? Because he doesn't want to keep answering the questions. He could trade Miles if he wants to. He just don't want to have people keep asking all these questions. Obviously he did it for a reason.

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[John Green]

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[Joe]

Welcome back to Dos Amigos.

[John Green]

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[Joe]

What do we invest in right now? What is the immediate advice you give

[John Green]

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[Joe]

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[John Green]

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[Joe]

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[Deebo]

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[John Green]

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[Joe]

Like we have a lot of them, same homies that stuck around.

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[Deebo]

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[Deebo]

But he didn't get a reason why

[Joe]

he did it, Joe, because he don't want no all in his business. He got to make statements and say, miles isn't going nowhere. And guess what? When he trades them, he'll be like, you know what? The deal just came along. And then I just had to make this move the same way.

[Deebo]

Why would you even make the change in the language anyway then? Because what is everybody thinking? You wouldn't change the language. You would just get that man his money when he's supposed to get his money. Miles wouldn't say, oh, yeah, I'm gonna let you kick my money back. Would you say, I'm gonna let you kick my money back? And we just doing this because, oh, hell, you felt like doing it. Tell the truth, saying, I'm asking you, what would you do, Joe?

[Joe]

What would I do? What would you do?

[Deebo]

What he did allow them to kick your money back for no reason with nothing to gain from it, but other than waiting on your money. He.

[Joe]

He. No, no, He. He gained a little bit. I think they pushed up. They pushed up some of the, like, it was like 8 million that they pushed up. They moved it up from like some. Some years back to go up forward. So it was a little bit of scratch his back. A little bit of scratch their back.

[Deebo]

So why they do all that? Why not just say, hey, I moved some money up for him to scratch back. Why was he scratching his back? What you talking about, Joe? Scratching his back for what?

[Joe]

I'm.

[Deebo]

This.

[Joe]

This is what really happened, Debo.

[Deebo]

Okay, tell me what happened, Joe.

[Joe]

The Browns really did it. So he can have the. From what I told you last week, so he can have time. So he could have time to figure out after the draft if they did want to move Miles giving himself wiggle room, giving himself a little bit more time.

[Deebo]

But he said it was never. He never. He was never trading Miles like he said if they wanted to trade Miles, they would lying. He wouldn't need to adjust. Nothing he said that was not. There's nothing to do it. So he's lying.

[Joe]

He's lying. Oh, I would say for me, speaking

[Deebo]

of him lying, I like. I like that because you asking me.

[Joe]

Because, look, look, when. When. When the team, when they did Say, unless. Until the hand. Until the deal is done. Until the paperwork is signed. Debo.

[Deebo]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Like the same way with the Max Crosby Jones. Everybody thought the deal was done. Oh, yeah. Good, Good faith. In good faith. I say no. They just gonna tell you something. Ain't gotta do nothing. They could be working right behind the closed doors like, no, Miles ain't going nowhere. Talking to the Raiders on the phone, talking to anybody on the phone. They gonna talk. They're gonna be able to have all options open. They're gonna tell us, oh, no, right now, he not going nowhere. He could be willing and dealing with right now. It's none of our business.

[Deebo]

See him in conversation with somebody from Philly, brother.

[Joe]

That's what GMs do. Who else he could be at GM from Philly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's just a liar? No, no, no, he's not a liar. But lying. He's lying. I mean, if you lie, you're a liar. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Maybe he's not lying. Maybe he's like. He's not doing it right here at that moment.

[Deebo]

Now, my coach told me, he said, 25 years.

[Joe]

No.

[Deebo]

To become a master bridge builder. He said, but if you suck cock one time, you're a cock sucker for life,

[Joe]

Debo.

[Deebo]

My coach told me that.

[Joe]

Let me tell you something. If he's not. You know what? He's actually not lying at that very moment. They probably weren't. They probably weren't talking about trading Miles. Why are you asking that question right there at this very moment? No, at this very moment, Miles is on the team. We're not thinking about trading Miles right now.

[Deebo]

As you could feel, you could think.

[Joe]

Your mind. Your mind could change in five minutes once he leaves. They'd be like, oh, man, you know what? I'm thinking about actually maybe trading Mouse. He could change his mind.

[Deebo]

Okay. Yeah.

[Joe]

They don't have to. Do you think the GM's is sitting there telling you the truth all the time?

[Deebo]

When he said he if he wanted to trade Mouse, he couldn't have needed to make a contract adjustment. Means that he never said he didn't want to trade Miles. He just said he wouldn't need just the contract.

[Joe]

He said, I could have did it. I could have did it if I wanted.

[Deebo]

It ain't always about what you say. It's about what you don't say.

[Joe]

Yes, he could have did it if he wanted to. He could have traded Miles.

[Deebo]

Okay. Okay. Cause right now, your boy Andrew Barrett, he says he'll spend more time with Ty Simpson. And it's wholly realistic for the Browns to add a young quarterback. He said Arlene would be. If we do add someone to the quarterback room, it would be someone who's a younger player, most likely anyone we bring into. Anyone we bring in at that spot on the roster. Our thought is that they're competing. They're competing to play. They have something that we like in their skill set, and our expectation would be for them to work hard. So what I'm getting from that, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo]

Is that he's saying that he believes Ty Simpson is good enough to compete with Shador Sanders and DeSean Watson for the starting quarterback position. That's what I'm getting. That's because that's what he said in the statement. That's what he said in the statement. So that's your GM that's cooking. That you said was cooking a little bit. Like, I'm starting to think he might be cooking on the Grill at McDonald's right now. Joe, tell me something. What's going on, Joe, Because I don't know if anybody in the NFL, NFL execs, annualists, commentators that said the man was even. He ain't even the top in the draft choice, man. He in a weak draft class. He ain't even the top quarterback, but ain't no. Joe, what is he? Joe, what is he? He cooking. He cook. He cooking at McDonald's, huh? Tell me what's going on, Joe. What's going on? What's this? Because I can read what he said, and I ain't even got to read in between lines. It ain't about what he didn't say. It's about what he said. Joe, tell. Why you so quiet, Joe? Come on, fight me.

[Joe]

Cause I think with this one, I think he might be. It might be a smokescreen, you know, just trying to get other. Other people to. Other people to look at him higher. Other people to look at Ty Simpson higher on their draft board.

[Deebo]

They cool or something.

[Joe]

Who?

[Deebo]

Him and Ty Simpson. What? What?

[Joe]

No.

[Deebo]

What. What was the point of that?

[Joe]

Honestly? Honestly, with this one. I don't know. I don't know what Andrew Berry's talking about. Okay? Like. I don't know. I. I don't know why he would go spend more time with them. I. He must. He must think that he's that good. So if he's gonna bring him into the room. He thinks that he's with Shador.

[Deebo]

What did I tell you about his judgment? His. You tell me, Joe.

[Joe]

It's not. We're not on the Same. We're not on the same page as this. Every time, every decision that our GM makes. That doesn't mean that I gotta sit here and blindly back it. I don't agree. I do not agree. Okay, so with what he's saying right here.

[Deebo]

But you said he was cooking. Is he still cooking, or is he working at McDonald's in the back grill? Just putting the burger on set temperature.

[Joe]

It's still early. He didn't draft them yet. We still acting like the Barons picked the man up in the draft. He asked the man the question. He's going to spend some time with him. Okay, we'll see. Like, you got spent some time.

[Deebo]

You're wasting time with somebody that you ain't gonna draft, don't have the potential, don't even want to look at. Just to do what, bro?

[Joe]

You gonna do your due diligence, do your homework? I'm not gonna be mad at a man for looking at him if he thinks he's a good quarterback, okay? Study him. See what it is. If he drafts him, then we'll have a whole different conversation. But literally right now, I don't agree. I wouldn't be spending that much time with Ty Simpson if I was Andrew Barry. If I were the GM for the Browns, I would. Quarterback's good. We got DeSean. We already good. We got Shador here. We already drafted Dylan last year. We trying to figure out what's going on. We got three. We're solid. Ty. No. If I was the gm, but this is Andrew Berry, and that's what I said. This is what he said. I don't agree. I wouldn't be doing it, but he is, so I'm like. Can knock it. Hopefully. He. He probably thinks he's good. Like, everything. He said he might be throwing a smokescreen. I don't know. Probably not. You said, why does he know Ty Simpson? He probably. He doesn't. So it's not a smokescreen. You're correct. Deebo. I don't know why he's doing it. I wouldn't. But I guess he likes him.

[Deebo]

Yo, that's the only time I bring out my cigar and rings. Is. Is for like and all that good stuff, but, you know, we're second best to that and almost. Damn. There is good. What is Browns Cincinnati doing and saying stupid. Oh, it's great. Oh, it's great.

[Joe]

Listen, listen. We gonna just charge. We acting like he drafted Ty Simpson, though, so I'm not gonna sit there and smack it like, no, I wouldn't have done this, but we'll see. We still got the draft coming. We'll see what he does. He's still, he's still.

[Deebo]

I'm. Is you, Is you drinking? Drinking?

[Joe]

No, man, that's coffee.

[Deebo]

Did you, did you spike it with something?

[Joe]

No, man, I need to.

[Deebo]

You look like you need a drink.

[Joe]

You're stressing me out.

[Deebo]

I don't. Joe, I. Joe, listen, you, you was my brother. I do not mean to stress you out.

[Joe]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Deebo]

Stress you out. I can't be in charge of how you react to the simple things that, that your GM is doing that you said was doing some cooking.

[Joe]

And I told you he's not boiling chicken. Cuz. Ty Simpson is still a first round pick though people still got him going as a first rounder.

[Deebo]

You want him at your. You want him at your team? You want him in your room.

[Joe]

He's not, he's not, he's not bad. I, I, I, I. Joe, use the

[Deebo]

most not question to answering dude ever, bro. I asked you a simple question, Joe.

[Joe]

No. Cause. No. I already said no. Because I like Shador more. I like Shador more. Some other people might like Ty and I don't think he's a bad quarterback. He could still be a first round pick. Better.

[Deebo]

Better. Better than better. You like him better than Watson? Maybe he could come in and see what.

[Joe]

No, we don't need him over here. That's all I'm saying. Cleveland for the first time.

[Deebo]

That's what you had to say, man.

[Joe]

I feel like we don't need a quarterback for the first time.

[Deebo]

Say it with your chest.

[Joe]

We don't need a quarterback right now. That's what I'm saying. I've been saying it.

[Deebo]

Poke that thing out, Joe. I lift weights.

[Joe]

I lift weights and we don't need a quarterback.

[Deebo]

Dang.

[John Green]

Hey man, I'm right.

[Deebo]

Wrong, bro. You know, you know. Hey man, you know, you know. You my guy, man.

[Joe]

Thank you. Brother.

[Deebo]

Brother, man. My brother from another.

[Joe]

I gotta throw something. Getting some Bailey's in this coffee got me stressing.

[Deebo]

Got you stressing? Man, look here, man. After the NFL PA report cards came out, the training staff for the San Francisco 49ers decided to take action. GM John lynch said that the team dug deeper into the grades and what they could do to improve things. The club found out that players wanted more one on one attention, which led to them hiring three more physical therapists and investing 9 million into hydro areas like cold plunges, pools which had previously graded low. Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo]

Sermon said that right Here he said, this is why the report cards work for organizations that aren't offended by the critique. Just look to improve, brother.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo]

Listen, it's simple. You know why that is? You know what it is?

[Joe]

Why is that?

[Deebo]

John lynch is a former player.

[Joe]

Yes, he is.

[Deebo]

He knows that these report cards are real and have credibility. And as a responsible gm, he said, hey, let me get this corrected, Let me improve. Because that makes sense to do it. But common sense ain't common no more. You understand?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Deebo]

How do you feel about this, Joe?

[Joe]

I like this.

[Deebo]

You love this.

[Joe]

I, I love this. And that's why I love the report cards, Debo, because they're honest opinions and they were actually getting things fixed. Because it's like you not trying to shoot the messenger. You know, you're in an organization and if stuff is bad, it's bad. If it's good, it's good. We don't want to sit there and just give out fake stuff. It's like, oh no, food is good. Like smooth. And especially people that played on different teams, you've been different places before. You've seen other organizations, you know how other people are moving. You like, okay, you know, this is nice. This is smooth and just smooth grades. I love the fact that when teams, when really real things get done, the hot tubs, the cold tubs, we're not asking for like crazy things. We're asking for things that are really going to help us on the field with the production. You guys want us to be where your investment. So if you want to take care of the investment you're investing in, into us, you know what I'm saying? Like taking care of our bodies, doing all of this stuff, make crowd therapies, is nothing really like out of the ordinary. So I love when the report cards get addressed by the owners because it shows they're trying to take care of their investments and it's when we're not asking for crazy things. So when they're throwing in nice stuff with the tubs and all that, I just see, I love that, that paying attention and that they're listening to what the players are asking for. So I'm all for it.

[Deebo]

Yeah, yeah, I'm 100 for this. You can't go wrong with this. It seems like to me that the NFL is only worried about the, the optics of, you know, how it looks.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Deebo]

They don't want to look like they don't care. They wanna, they want to look like they care about the well being the players and all that. But the NFL only care about the bottom line and that's them making money. That was just like when the whole player safety initiative started and the NFL got sued. I believe it was 2011, they got sued for a class action lawsuit for concussions. But the rumblings started in 2007 when Congress investigated the NFL over concussions. By 2008 it was more research that actually linked football to CTE. And guess what happened in 2009. They started finding the out of us. They started changing rules in the middle of the season in the middle of a game. Okay, why? Because it was gonna be a problem about they money.

[Joe]

Oh for sure.

[Deebo]

And by 2000, what was it, 13 through 15? They ended up doing a bunch of settlements on it. So when it comes down to it, it's about the money. When it start affecting the money, then things get changed. This is an I heart podcast.

[Joe]

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