Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Has NFL figured out Lamar Jackson + Steelers LEGEND Heath Miller joins!

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

Episode Theme:
Has NFL Figured Out Lamar Jackson? + Steelers LEGEND Heath Miller Joins!
Date: April 13, 2026
Host: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden
Special Guest: Heath Miller (Steelers Hall of Honor Inductee, 2x Super Bowl Champion)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into two central NFL topics:

1. Whether the league has "figured out" Lamar Jackson and how teams defend him.
2. The Pittsburgh Steelers' current quarterback dilemma and coaching changes, focusing on the hire of Mike McCarthy.

Later, Steelers all-time great tight end Heath Miller joins to reflect on Super Bowl runs, team culture, and his own career progression.

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Steelers Quarterback Situation & Coaching Staff Changes

Main Questions & Points:

• Is Mike McCarthy set up to fail as Steelers' new head coach?
• The uncertainty around the Steelers' quarterback position: Will Howard, Mason Rudolph, and the long wait for Aaron Rodgers.

Discussion Highlights:

• External Criticism:

  • Charles Robinson (Yahoo! Sports) warns that McCarthy is in a "bad situation" at Pittsburgh due to the lack of a franchise quarterback and an aging roster.
    • "With McCarthy's age, he's a win-now coaching hire...expected to win games, [but] still staring at a quarterback problem." (06:49)

• Hosts’ Take:

  • Deebo: Optimistic about McCarthy's history developing QBs and building competitive teams even without star quarterbacks.
    • "Everybody's looking at the situation. It doesn't look good from the outside looking in...If he believes in Will [Howard], then I'm rocking with it..." (07:52)
  • Joe: Stresses Pittsburgh's standard of winning culture (19 years without a losing season with Tomlin) while acknowledging fan frustration over playoff futility.
    • "The Steelers are thinking...for this to be a successful hire, they need to win a playoff game." (09:45)

• Draft Capital & Flexibility:

  • Both agree: If Will Howard isn't "the guy," there's room to trade up in the draft or pivot to another QB.
    • "If he's not good enough...we can trade our first and second round pick, trade up like the way we did to get Devin Bush." (12:02)

Notable Quotes:

• Deebo:
  • "There's no reason why we should be getting blown out. We're still the Steelers. We still have great defense...” (11:06)
  • "Quarterback is the position that we need. We're waiting on A-Rod. Mike McCarthy’s in the building...the draft is still up, we’re gonna see what happens.” (12:32)

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Has the NFL "Figured Out" Lamar Jackson? (21:01–32:08)

The Question:

• Is it now easier to defend Lamar Jackson, and has the league found a blueprint?

Key Points:

• Charles Omenihu’s Comment:

  • “I think you figured out Lamar. You bring a five-man rush on him, collapse the pocket...he’s drifting backwards, and unfortunately he might make a play that isn’t the best for the Ravens.”* (21:01)

• Hosts’ Analysis:

  • Joe:

    • Focus on stopping Lamar’s legs.
      • "I think you figured out Lamar. First biggest part of his game is his ability to be a two-way threat...if I was playing Lamar, I’m taking away his legs and forcing him to beat me passing the ball." (22:33)
    • Notes his increase in soft-tissue injuries as he gets older.

  • Deebo:

    • Still sees Lamar as a threat—defenses would still “rather force him to throw than let him run.”
      • "Lamar Jackson, I think he is very, very talented...but if you're picking best of both worlds, I'd rather have him in the pocket...and have him make him throw the ball against me." (25:31)
    • Critiques the Ravens’ supporting cast for Lamar—outside of Mark Andrews, hasn’t had “a Jamar Chase or T. Higgins” level receiver.
      • "He hasn't really had too many number ones—[he] hasn't had a Jamar Chase, he hasn't had a T. Higgins." (26:10)

• Statistical Evidence:

  • When the Steelers limit Lamar’s running (under 54 yards), they win (24:13).
  • His passing yards, even in wins, are modest—Steelers' style: force him to win with his arm.

• Gameplan:

  • “Rush lanes, contain rush lanes. Keep him in there. Because once he escapes, that's when you really just mess your whole squad up.” (29:57, Deebo)

Notable Quotes:

• Joe:
  • "That's how Coach Lebeau used to do it. As soon as they start, smack the quarterback." (25:05)
• Deebo:
  • "If you got them behind the sticks...there's nothing really they could do." (30:56)
• Todd:
  • "We, as Steelers, as a team, as a staff, have figured out how to approach and play [Lamar]." (31:53)

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Special Guest: Heath Miller Joins (39:45–53:56)

Introduction & Quick Banter

• Heath Miller inducted as Steelers Hall of Honor, lauded as “the most complete tight end of his era.”
• Fun: Miller doesn’t golf, jokes about being a terrible golfer.

High School & College Days

• Began as a quarterback at UVA, switched to tight end after realizing he wouldn’t see the field at QB.
  • “I was there long enough to know I [was] never going to get on the field at quarterback.” (41:26)
• Transitioned by taking scout team TE reps, then fully changed position after a season.

Reflections on Super Bowl Runs & Steelers Culture

• Credits championship teams with camaraderie and selflessness:
  • “Probably just the camaraderie. And maybe the selflessness as a whole...nobody really cared who got the credit.” (45:00)
• Steelers were “defensive-led,” with practices tougher than games:
  • “Every day in practice was harder than the game...that iron sharpening iron, and the defense being the best group on the team, the way they cared about each other...” (46:50)
• Importance of leaders like Hines Ward, who inspired by example on offense.

Ben Roethlisberger Partnership

• Ben called Miller his favorite receiver; chemistry was natural, built on shared football backgrounds:
  • “A lot of it was just natural...the fact that maybe where I did play quarterback before...I think Ben grew up playing a ton of sports as well.” (49:24)
• Evolved with Ben as he gained “ownership” of the offense:
  • Early years: Steelers were run-heavy, Ben with a limited passing role.
  • Later years: Ben given “the keys,” more responsibility, more passing, more weapons.

Notable Quotes:

• “As Ben got older, he became our best player… then we built the team around him and we could put more points on the board at that point.” (53:20)
• “When we got through training camp, we knew we were prepared for any defense, anything a defense could throw at us.” (47:12)

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Memorable and Lighthearted Moments

• Fun jabs about position changes, muscle-bound golf swings, and high school football stories.
  • "Debo's too much muscles. Too many muscles. My golf game is seriously, seriously hot garbage, bro." (41:05)
• Joking about home temperature and "sweating bullets" under the show lights (29:08).
• Celebratory shoutout to Rory McIlroy’s Masters win (33:28).

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Key Takeaways by Timestamp

• Steelers Quarterback/Coaching Debate: 05:53–16:01
• Has NFL Figured Out Lamar Jackson? 21:01–32:08
• Heath Miller Joins: 39:45–53:56
  • Reflects on team culture, Super Bowls, role as Ben Roethlisberger’s favorite target, position change journey, opponent matchups.

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Conclusion

This episode blends current NFL hot topics—especially Steelers uncertainty and the Lamar Jackson "blueprint"—with rich stories and insights from Steelers legend Heath Miller. The show’s trademark camaraderie, candid breakdowns, and playful energy translate well for anyone keen to understand both the modern NFL and what made Pittsburgh’s last era of success so special.

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Transcript

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[Todd]

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[Joe]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Doing great, brother. Deebo. Doing great. Back at the crib. Was in. Was in the land this weekend. Had a little autograph signing. And you know what? Somebody gave me this jersey and I thought it was only right that I rock it on the show today. You know, it just made. It just made sense. And I went. Went backwards style with it. Went Nelly. Went 2000s, Nelly with it going backwards, you know what I'm saying? With the Gators. So I got all my squads. I got the Browns, I got the Steelers, I got the Gators, you know what I'm saying? I'm just repping.

[Todd]

You just repping any. I mean, you just any and everything.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Not any and everything.

[Todd]

I'm saying, you just. You just. I ain't got nothing.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Blood, sweat and tears at.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah, I understand what you're saying, man. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. So sitting a little light today, baby.

[Joe]

The porcelain guys got a hold of me, boy, right before we get jumped on here, boy.

[Todd]

Have me sitting on the throne.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You was calling countdown from the throne.

[Todd]

Hey, I had to.

[Joe]

Two minutes. I'll let y' all know. I'll be there.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. Debo, you gotta get to it.

[Todd]

You could coffee run through you, bro.

[Joe]

I don't know what happened, bro. I got through working out and it was like, yo, give me me free. And he was like, I got to go. Listen, you know how you turn around, you don't know what it is.

[Todd]

I'm like, damn, what was that? I don't even know what I ate.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

See, there you go. You might be like.

[Joe]

I'm saying I'm light though. I'm light though. I feel like 10 pounds lighter. You know what I'm saying? Give him all that. Give them all that. You know what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You got your system, you got out your system.

[Joe]

No question. No question. Look here, people.

[Todd]

We are going to have my guy,

[Joe]

our Guy

[Todd]

Miller about 30 minutes from now. But we'll be go jump into right here real quick is I guess. Yahoo sports insider Charles Robinson. He warns that Mike McCarthy is stepping into a all bad situation at Pittsburgh. He said, I don't. I don't like the situation for McCarthy is in. We could argue whether or not it's worse, but with McCarthy's age, he's a win now coaching hire. You're sitting. You're still sitting there starting. You're still sitting there starting at quarter staring at a quarterback problem. They're expected to win games. They're expected to get whatever gas they can out of this Asian roster. We've expected. They're expected to somehow make the quarterback situation work with Aaron Rodgers. It's all bad for Mike McCarthy. What do you think, bro?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

People talking. People talking. I don't think, honestly, he doesn't know what we got in Will Howard. I think Mike McCarthy is going to be. He develops quarterbacks, basically. That's what he does. And I think that if he believes in Will, then I'm rocking with it. I think that everybody's looking at the situation. It doesn't look good from the outside looking in. If you're another team that we don't have a legitimate quarterback, we don't have a franchise guy right now. And if it look like we're still trying to wait on a rod, then I can see why people are still saying this. They're speaking the same thing, Deebo, that they've been saying about us. Nothing's changed. And a rod still on our team. We have Will Howard and Mason Rudolph. So our situation does look pretty bad from the outside looking in. What do you think?

[Todd]

I don't think it's. It's. It's being set up to fail. I don't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't go that far. 100%. Mike McCarthy is a win now. Higher. That's why the Steelers keep saying we're not rebuilding. When you look at it, Mike Tomlin with what, 19 years without having a losing season. So it was 500 or better.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Todd]

So right now he has to do 500 or better. But they're saying it as if, you

[Joe]

know, it's super bowl right now or it's bus.

[Todd]

You know, that's.

[Joe]

That's.

[Todd]

That's ridiculous.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It hasn't been that the whole time.

[Julian Edelman]

Right.

[Joe]

The Steelers haven't. We haven't. We haven't won a Super bowl since, what, 2009.

[Todd]

And our last appearance was against the man that we hired. Lost to in 2011. But the most concerning thing for the Steelers was, was we went almost 10 years without a playoff win. And last win, 2016. We had nine seasons in between there. We made it to the playoffs six times, and we lost every single game. Okay, like, that's what they're upset with. So, like, winning a Super bowl, like,

[Joe]

it's always the goal.

[Todd]

Every.

[Joe]

It's always the goal.

[Todd]

But they. They aren't upset about that. They're upset that we could not win a playoff game. So the Steelers are thinking, at least in My mind, they're thinking for this to be a successful year or a successful hire, they need to win a playoff game. And I think that's the biggest reason why the Steelers are still sitting around waiting on Aaron Rodgers. Because they're saying, okay, going to give Mike McCarthy the same setup that Tomlin had and now we'll see if he can get better results. And then to them, that will justify their hiring and the belief or the

[Joe]

fact that, like you said, we don't

[Todd]

know what Will Howard can do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe]

Aaron Rodgers is going to give us

[Todd]

a better chance at getting into the playoffs now.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Todd]

And you know, with all the new hires that McCarthy has, the coaches, the staff, it's more experience either coaching or actually planning or playing the game itself.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Todd]

And the staff, it's a better staff than what was there previously and, you know, in the, in the previous coaching staff.

[Joe]

So you get better coaches, you get

[Todd]

your players to play better, because I'm gonna be teaching you better, but a thousand percent.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And we're not saying. And this is what I'm saying too, Debo, we're not. We weren't saying like super bowl or bust. We haven't won the super bowl in a while. So I'm looking at Mike McCarth building a good team like as many good players, like, quarterback is always going to be the thing that everybody sits and talks about. But what about our line? What about our running backs? What about our receivers? What about our defense? What about our corners? How good is the execution going to be at his full team? So with Mike McCarthy, I don't think like mediocrity. We don't have to be terrible. Will Howard doesn't have to be a Pro bowl quarterback for the Steelers to win nine to 10 games. And if he's not in this thing too, if he's not good enough, and we do have the 20th pick and we know the quarterback's the position that we need, we can trade our first round pick and our second round pick, trade up like the way we did to go get Devin Bush. When we needed a linebacker, they traded up to 11 to go get a linebacker. If you think quarterback is a position that we need once we have this team, well, Howard doesn't end up being the guy, then we can figure it out. But us still being good, us still being competitive. Mike McCarthy, you got a team with you. Let's see what the quarterback situation looking like. But there's no reason why we should be getting blown out. We're still The Steelers, we still have great defense. We still have amazing players on the offensive. The side of the ball, quarterback is the position where everybody's looking like, okay, a Rod. Will, we don't know. So now Mike McCarthy got his staff in there. How's he going to run it? How is he going to do it with this team that we got? Then we could figure it out from there and move forward. So I'm never really in that big panic situation for the quarterback because it is what it is. You got to build a team. Quarterback is a position that we need. We're waiting on a rod. We don't know what's going on with Will. Mike McCarthy's there. He's in the building. He's been talking highly on Will and he talked about a rod. So we know where we are with that. The draft is still up. We're going to see what happens. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just to the point where everybody's going to keep talking about how bad the quarterback situation is. Because if you were the outside looking in, Will Howard and Mason Rudolph are the quarterbacks that are on the Pittsburgh Steelers team right now. So your situation doesn't look too good, if you know what I'm saying. Like, you don't have a franchise guy. So saying that, not a crazy statement.

[Todd]

That's his biggest thing, though, is that the Steelers don't have a young franchise quarterback. That's basically his number one issue. And when you look at it, it was nobody out there that was automatic, proven that was ready to come up to be signed, that we could just say, hey, here, here's the fill in. So why not sit there? And the draft did not have anything that was automatic for sure. So, yes. All right. After you sit back, you look at it, you start fixing all the other areas which Omar Khan is doing. Keep doing what I'm saying.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Todd]

The only spot you have left is the quarterback. As we said before when Ben was on, Ben said it himself, like, yo, I was put in. Like, everything else was there. Like. And I think. And he said, I think that's, you know, how they should do it now. But yes, it's when. Now, worst case is he got to do 500 or better. Because anything below 500, the hire of Mike McCarthy by the Pittsburgh Steelers will be considered a fail.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Because when we saying when we're saying the win now too. Debo. I'm like, we have a good football team on the offensive side of the ball, defensive side of the ball, we're going to see if the quarterback, if he's handing it off. We got good run game. He's not turning it over. We're not ask him to throw for 5,000 yards, you know what I'm saying? 22 touches, 20 touchdowns, five, six picks. Smooth. Like, that'll be a good, good. That'll be solid for him. So, like, we're not asking him to reinvent the wheel. Just go in there, be consistent. The team around them is going to be able to help them because we actually getting good players.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah. I think, I think what Omar has did as far as, well, what the Steelers have done, but Omar being able to actually do his title and GM was extremely beneficial for us this year in getting the positions that we need, the players we need to fill into the spots we need. And right now we got what, 12 draft choices. What is it, four or five in the top hundred. So, I mean, we have a chance to still fill in a lot more spots and, you know, get depth at other spots that, you know, we, we need, we need help in. But I don't see it as a, you know, set up to fail a bad situation. He's a coach that has a history of winning, developing quarterbacks before. Yeah, that just coached the hat before, you know, and we'll see. We'll see.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But it's all Mike. We'll see.

[Todd]

Yes, it's on him. He's getting to do what he. He needs to do, put the people in place. He got. He got all his coaches. He nothing.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I mean, man to the equipment staff. He got everybody in there.

[Todd]

I don't know, like. We'll see. So where we at?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We got Lamar.

[Todd]

Lamar Bruh. I cannot say. The dude from the commander's last name. What is it? Charles. How you say that name one more time?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's my Charles. A mini who?

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[Todd]

Oh, many who. Okay, let's go with that NFL veteran. He says that I don't think the league has truly figured out Allen yet. Talking about Josh Allen with Lamar, he said, honestly, you bring a five man rush on him, collapse the pocket, he's drifting backwards and unfortunately he might make a play that isn't going to be to the best play for the is that isn't going to be the best play for the Ravens with Josh, he's going to drift backwards, run around and he goes and he's so hard to tackle. I don't know about that. Well, maybe for them he's a large human being. Hard to get down. He can make every throw, every throw from no matter where he's at. He's. He has a strong, his arm strength. Arm strength is unbelievable. I don't think Lamar has. I don't think Lamar has that big amount of arm strength like Josh does. That big amount. Like I said, I think you figured out Lamar. I think you figured out Lamar. You think Lamar. First biggest part of his game is his ability to be a two way threat.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Todd]

And his effectiveness, his effectiveness is basically predicated off being able to do that. So what I would do if I was playing tomorrow's I'm taking away his legs and forcing him to beat me passing the ball. And he's getting older. As he's getting older, he's getting more soft tissue injuries and you're running the ball, but you're not training necessarily to deal with all that demand that comes in season from running that ball. You got to train in the off season like you a running back and be ready to go out there and do what it is that, you know, he's, he's doing week in and week

[Joe]

out, plus still be able to do

[Todd]

what you need as a quarterback. So, you know, once you take away what makes him, you know, a special generational talent at quarterback, you're able, like

[Joe]

you said, if you're able to get

[Todd]

the five man pressure and you don't have to blitz him all the time to get there, you make him have to be more of a traditional quarterback. And that diminishes, that just diminishes his effectiveness. Dude like causes, like you said, causes

[Joe]

turnovers and sometimes he may actually beat

[Todd]

you with it, but I just don't see it happening on a consistent basis. When you look at the Steelers, we're 37 against him. Lamar is averaging about 174 yards in those games that, you know, they ended up losing. His career average, 195, which is still low. And then in the wins, we look at the wins, 180 yards rushing as a team. Lamar got 80 of that on an average. And then in the seven losses, he only got 54 yards. Russell.

[Joe]

So you take away the use of

[Todd]

his legs, you increase your chances of winning. And that's basically what the Steelers do. Like, yo, if they're able to be like, yo, we're going to make him pass the ball and sit in the pocket, put pressure on him, make him uncomfortable. If they're able to do that, they win. So I just don't, I don't, I don't, I don't see him being able unless he figures out how to be more of a pocket presence and getting the ball out on time. And two guys, you know, with, you know, effective timing. His biggest thing is, you know, his legs and you got to sit there and some guys either sit back and wait and see. You know, that run pass option read, stuff like that, that kills people.

[Joe]

No, we're not going to wait you right here. As soon as he do that, he

[Todd]

lose the protection of a quarterback. Your job is to just smack him, don't do nothing.

[Joe]

That's how Coach Lebow used to do it.

[Todd]

Hey, as soon as they start,

[Joe]

smack the quarterback. Your job is to smack the quarterback.

[Todd]

I don't care nothing else.

[Joe]

If you're unsure, hit him.

[Todd]

And guys that do that or teams that do that are able to do that, are effective at it. Then you put him into a situation where you know they got to pass the ball and you have a better chance of winning the game. What do you think?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I think both things are. Lamar Jackson, I think he is a very, very talented. I think he can throw the ball too. I think when what my man was saying about Josh Allen's arm strength being like so much bigger and he can make more throws, I don't see it that way. I understand what he's saying. If you. Lamar Jackson's legs are so special that if you gotta pick one, I rather him throw against me because he would chop up the defense and be able to run like a wide receiver if people go past their lanes. So I, I would say when you're playing against them, if you're saying you figured them out, you know, I think you can still make throws. But if you're saying both, what's worse, I'd rather him throw the ball against me than run the ball against me. So that's when you're saying you have your great rush lanes and you're forcing him to throw the ball. I'd rather him be a passer against me than a runner. So I understand what he's saying there, but I think he can still make the throw. So he's not like saying, oh, Josh Allen's. I mean, Lamar Jackson, if you just make him throw, he can't win. He's saying if you please take away his legs because that will really kill you. He could still make the throws. But if you're picking best of both worlds, I'd rather have him in the pocket with my dudes in their rush lanes and have him make him throw the ball against me. I would say same thing too. With Lamar, his weapons haven't really. Like, he has a tight end. It was cool. And then we had Hollywood Brown. I mean, Andrew's amazing Pro bowl tight end, but he hasn't really had too many, like, number ones. A guy that you had outside that you could just give it to and throw the ball to, like just on one on ones. He hasn't had a Jamar Chase. He hasn't had a T. Higgins. So for me, I, I hear what he's saying, but he's making sense because if it was on me, I would rather Lamar throw the ball than run

[Todd]

the big thing with Allen is, you know, he's saying he's hard to tackle all this other stuff.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm not, I'm not.

[Todd]

Allen can make those throws, and then Allen can go ahead and throw somebody

[Joe]

else the ball too, for sure. I mean, when time ain't right, Lamar does the same thing. Don't nobody want to talk about that, though. I don't know why he turns the rock over like crazy in the playoffs, too.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But the last couple of times when it was looking at it, we had Andrews drop the ball. We've had people Lamar had. Lamar Jackson wasn't the reason why they lost these games in the playoffs. At the end, I, for sure it hasn't been his fault. I think his team has let him down in these last playoff runs. It hasn't been his bad. Do you think, you think he has?

[Todd]

None of those turnovers had anything to do with it, brother.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I mean, they, they, they had. They didn't help, but at the end of the game, they had a chance to win, and then they would plays like drop, drop the pass, fumble in the end zone, dive in the end zone like legitimate bang bangs that lose the playoff.

[Joe]

You want to give the emphasis on

[Todd]

the last person to not make a play.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Because, I mean, all things happen in the game. Exactly. But you get to the fourth, and now all everything happened. Now can we, can we win it or lose it? You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Like, the head coach got fired, man.

[Todd]

Got fired after what, 18 years? Yeah, I don't know. We'll see.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Who. I don't know.

[Todd]

I don't know who. Who. Who know what was going on there.

[Joe]

Well, I'm so hot right now.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Well, I see you, bro.

[Todd]

This what happened. Listen, listen, bro, I told you, I, I'm.

[Joe]

I'm living on a budget, bro.

[Todd]

So the heat, it got, it got warm around here. So it take a minute for the air to, you know, to get going because. Old system, you know, old school. So when I got home, I turned the air on because it was 70. It's 75 degrees in here, bro. Then I got these lights shining on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's crazy.

[Todd]

You know what I'm saying? It's probably 80 in here right now. I'm up here.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You sweating bullets.

[Todd]

Sweating bullets, bro.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

My man said, look, even. And then Debo too, like Lamar. Not to just Lamar. The. The field, bro.

[Joe]

I'm so hot, right goal. Lucky I ain't got no taco meat.

[Todd]

Busted out, bro.

[Joe]

What you say now, B?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I was saying that even like Lamar last, the One, they just missed the field goal at the end of the game. Like all that. That's not. That's not his bad. That's like three of them joints. That's three games. I mean, they could have won. He did everything. He could have did. L.

[Todd]

So I understand what you're saying,

[Joe]

but I will go with.

[Todd]

If you sit back and you strategize correctly, the thing is to make him have to pass the ball to beat you and don't let him escape and get extra yards up outside the pocket.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Rush lanes, contain rush lanes. Keep him in there for sure. Because once he escapes, that's when you're gonna really just mess your whole squad up.

[Todd]

And that's if. If you can contain him.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what I'm saying.

[Todd]

But he's also getting older.

[Joe]

Down a little bit, just gotta start.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Slide.

[Todd]

You say, hell, just close to the

[Joe]

end of last year, the whole last, last part of the season, I'm like, yo, that's something where he would have normally got out on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, he was. It was a little. He wasn't moving a little bit. A little. A little tick slower. It was a little slower. Well, you got this. You got a little. You got a little. You feeling good though, Debo? You straight?

[Joe]

You got a little feeling great, baby. I just got through working out. That's what I'm. See, I'm still running from the workout too.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what it is too. That's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, to let me know you got that work in. Oh, yeah, you're gonna be.

[Todd]

I had a hat sitting high right now, baby.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Say, they was talking about, have we ever, like, have I ever figured out quarterbacks like they were talking about Lamar Jackson? Have you got figured out? I think sometimes too, though, it's the offensive scheme. If the defense, if you. You got them figured out, if you got them behind the sticks, if you got them playing, you know what I'm saying, behind the sticks, then there's nothing really they could do. So I feel like sometimes just depending on how the defense is playing, I

[Todd]

think when you say figured out, though, it's like this person's set of skills we have figured out.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I got you. Okay.

[Todd]

They're effective because we know what they do well and what they don't do well, it's.

[Joe]

It's a lot.

[Todd]

It's a lot different than, okay, we got you in a backed up situation, man. If I get. If I get, you know, Tom Brady in the 3rd and 20th, it's gonna be Fun. You know what I'm saying? So that's, that's a little different than, you know, figured him out or they figured him out. Maybe they figured him out to a. To a certain extent.

[Joe]

I really feel like we have as

[Todd]

a, as, you know, Steelers as a. As a team, as a, you know, a staff as far as how to approach and play him. It's just that, you know, I don't know what happened. When we get into the playoffs, things get. It got real ugly.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. Saying like it's the way, as you said, it's the five. Five rushers don't let him escape the pocket because when he runs, that's the thing. We would rather have him pass than run. And there's no disrespect because his legs are special.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Todd]

If you can't get him to. Break from their actual programming of run, run, run pass and, and like that, that, you know, run pass option that is just. That's just killing people.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And it doesn't hurt too when you got King Henry. When you start really running the ball on people, that's.

[Todd]

Once they start running it, it just, it opens up.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Opens up the play action. Open up everything.

[Todd]

But again, you know, you know, they ain't about to pass him the ball.

[Joe]

So that's really one less person you got to cover in the past game.

[Todd]

Go ahead, get run heavy on that. Run heavy with Lamar and figure out everything else from there.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Bruh.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What's good, coach? Bro? You sweating bullets? You got that good workout.

[Joe]

I got it. I gotta.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I gotta get me something.

[Joe]

I'll be back.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

This man deep on the slit. Well, look, I must go ahead and shout out to Roy McElroy that won the Masters. Shout out Roy. I thought he was gonna lose it up. Scotty Scheffler. This is random again on a. Scotty Scheffler is my favorite golfer right now. Down on Saturday by 12 strokes. Almost came back and won it. That'd have been unbelievable. Shout out to Roy for winning his second gold jacket in a row. Not gold jacket, green jacket.

[Joe]

Green jacket. Joe, I even.

[Todd]

I know that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

My bad, my bad. I was just. The gold jacket got me S. I was thinking about hall of fame Roy McElroy. Back to back masters.

[Joe]

Roy McElroy. Is it Elroy?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, Roy McElroy. Oh, I think I see. We might have somebody.

[Joe]

All right, people. My good man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

A dude.

[Joe]

My good friend Joe's.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, sir.

[Todd]

Who he say he made fumble. We gonna talk about.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, wait a minute. See?

[Todd]

Dang it.

[Joe]

Huh?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Nope.

[Joe]

Look here Look. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, he was drafted in 2005. First round pick for the piss.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Jack]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Jack]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Anonymous Speaker (Alcoholic)]

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[Comedian Blake Anderson]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Comedian Blake Anderson]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Joe]

Yes, he was time Pro Bowler, two time super bowl champion, Stillers hall of Honor inductee, the best tight end in Steelers history, one of the most complete tight ends of his era. Please welcome.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He

[Heath Miller]

what's up, fellas? How we doing today?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Doing good, brother. He welcome, welcome.

[Joe]

How you doing, baby?

[Heath Miller]

I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Hey, you guys are doing great on the show.

[Joe]

I enjoy it.

[Heath Miller]

You guys are doing A great job.

[Todd]

Appreciate it.

[Joe]

What you got behind you, man? Look like you got two trees and you gotta blur it out real good.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, I got a mess back there, so it's all blurred out. I did the best I could on short notice.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, I feel it, but it looks perfect.

[Joe]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Where you. Where you at?

[Todd]

Down in.

[Joe]

You in VA Too, right?

[Heath Miller]

Yeah. Yep.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Heath Miller]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I'm in North Virginia. I'm in Northern Virginia. I'm like Tyson's corner.

[Heath Miller]

Okay.

[Joe]

All right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm a couple.

[Heath Miller]

I'm a couple hours away.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I saw. I saw you on the. You on the tip of Virginia.

[Heath Miller]

Well, I grew up. Yeah, that's where I grew up, down in Southwest Virginia, so. But now we live in Charlottesville, Virginia.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Heath Miller]

A couple. Just a couple hours from you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, not bad. No, we gotta link up for sure. You golf?

[Heath Miller]

No.

[Todd]

No.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. I was about to say I like it like a golfer.

[Heath Miller]

I might, but that's about it.

[Joe]

Yeah, he could beat me for sure. That ain't no feet. That's not even that.

[Todd]

Hell, I could probably lose to, like, a little kid.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. Debo's too much muscles. Too many muscles.

[Todd]

My golf game is. Is seriously, seriously hot garbage, bro.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But I wanted to ask you something first because, you know, I see you went to uva and did. You went there as a quarterback, ended up switching positions.

[Heath Miller]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

How did that go?

[Heath Miller]

I went to UVA as a quarterback. I committed to. The coach's name was George Welsh at the time.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Heath Miller]

And when I committed, they said, you know, we want to bring you in as a quarterback. And other schools that wanted me to do different positions, but I thought, let's give quarterback a try. Coach Welsh retired before I got there. So then Al GR took over.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Heath Miller]

And I stayed at quarterback for like a month or two. I was there. I'll say this. I was there long enough for me to know I was never going to get on the field at quarterback. That's all I needed to know. So. So then they're like, hey, Heath, you're a big body. Why don't you try scout? You know, fill in on the scout team. We only got a couple tight ends. You get some reps and help us out there. So I. I did that. And then like a month later, they're like, hey, Heath, what. Why don't you actually go to the meetings with the tight ends? Just, you know, just so you know what you're doing. And then after that season, it. I kind of knew what. What it. What it should be. And Fully transitioned to tight end and the rest is history.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, no, it all worked out perfectly. That's good stuff. I love that.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Joe, were you a quarterback too, or.

[Todd]

No.

[Heath Miller]

You play quarterback?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Exactly. I played quarterback all through high school. I thought I was going to go, oh, yeah, I said you played defensive back too. You were second team defensive. I was like, what are you playing, safety or corner Safety?

[Heath Miller]

Safety.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Safety. Okay. See, Todd, look, me and you, we get we. You know what I'm saying? We're on the athletes over here. We played before the athletes play where the athletes play. Yes.

[Heath Miller]

Did you play quarterback too, in high school?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I played quarterback two in high school.

[Heath Miller]

No, Debo.

[Joe]

Hell no.

[Heath Miller]

Did you play quarterback too?

[Joe]

No, no, bro. I want no quarterback, man. I played running. I play. I played running back and linebacker.

[Todd]

I'm running through.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, for sure.

[Heath Miller]

He didn't play the athlete position, right, Joe?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, not at all. I was quarterback.

[Joe]

Quarterback. Quarterbacks where I played at, all they did was hand the ball to me.

[Heath Miller]

Oh, okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I was giving you. Yeah, we was play action passing Debo, Todd. That's what we was doing.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Nah, nah.

[Joe]

See, we was doing triple option and all that.

[Todd]

You know, quarterback ain't. Hell, I don't know if he. Well, we had. He passed a little bit.

[Heath Miller]

When. Yeah, when I realized how hard it was to call the plays and send guys in motion and then remember what to say for the snap count, I said, this might be too much for me. I can't do this.

[Joe]

Could you throw.

[Todd]

You.

[Joe]

Could you actually throw the.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Rocky, he broke records in high school.

[Heath Miller]

A little bit. A little bit, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Todd, don't. Don't do it.

[Heath Miller]

I was a devo. I was the. I was.

[Joe]

Why is you calling him Todd, man? His name is my. Hey, man, take off that half Steelers jersey, man. You get out of here, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's Heath, man.

[Heath Miller]

No, with the Steelers, after. After Hines left, I was the emergency quarterback. Like, if we only dressed two quarterbacks, then I was the number three guy.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, okay.

[Heath Miller]

So I would get one.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Every rep, every week I would get one rep. On Friday, it would be a handoff. Handoff to the right usually,

[Joe]

bruh, you came in what, 2005?

[Heath Miller]

Yep.

[Todd]

2005.

[Joe]

2000. You got. Oh, you got two of them things too, dude.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, he does.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What. What. What stands out to you when you

[Todd]

think back to those super bowl runs? Like, you know what. What did those teams have in common versus which? What? You know, what it looked like towards the end?

[Heath Miller]

I think the. Probably just the camaraderie. And maybe the selflessness as a whole, as a whole team, like we were truly a team and nobody really cared who got the credit. And in both cases, we got hot at the end of the year. And I think once we got into the playoffs, both years, there was a feeling that maybe we all had that. I don't think anybody can beat us if we play our game. And even the last year that we lost in the super bowl to Green Bay, you kind of get that feeling like nobody's going to stop us. I guess that's why that one was just hard to swallow because we did, we came up. Yeah, but no, the camaraderie and I think, you know, true teams because especially later, I think offensively we had some teams that were loaded with talent. Maybe defensively we were better earlier on, but, you know, we had some, some talented guys that I played with later in my career, but we just didn't. Couldn't get it going at the right time for whatever reason.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah, like, especially, you know, like I said, when you go back to like those, you know, that basically all the way up until like that 5 to 12 range, something like that, 2 to 12 range, 2000, 2 to 12 range. Like, dude, it was you. You damn near spent more time with guys, you know, on the team outside than you did your family. You know what I'm saying? It was like, okay, we go do this over here, we go do that over there. And everything was kind of like, you know, mixed together with watching film, eating, celebrating, playing some cards, doing this and that, getting body work, getting treatment, all that other stuff. Well, for us on the defensive side, I don't know how y' all did it on the offensive side, but for us, like, it was, you know, everything was just mushed and mixed together. So.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, and, and you guys, you know, I'm, I'm an offensive player, but we were a defensive led team through all those years. I mean, we had one of the best defenses in the league. And as offensive guys, we knew that. And we, we were. Every day in practice was harder than the game. You know, when you got to the game on Sundays after you practice or you training camp against those guys, that's good on.

[Todd]

Good.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah. So when, when we got through training camp, we knew we were prepared for any defense, anything a defense could throw at us, and it was going to be easier than what we had just faced. So it's just like that whole iron sharpening iron and you know, and the defense being the best group on the team, the way they cared about Each other, the selflessness they played with, that trickled down to the whole team. And offensively, we had guys like Hines who was throwing his body around.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Heath Miller]

No job too small. I mean, when your best players play like that, everybody else just falls in line. And I think that made for some special teams back in the day.

[Todd]

Yeah. Speaking of opponents, who was the most difficult for you to block?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Who.

[Joe]

Who.

[Todd]

Who was it that you went against that was, you know, hard to block?

[Joe]

Because you was a good.

[Todd]

You was a good. Real good, you know, blocking and could catch the ball.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Both

[Heath Miller]

the guys who gave me the most trouble. I mean, we played Terrell Suggs a lot in Baltimore. Twice a year, most times three times a year. He gave me a lot of trouble because he could do. He wasn't. He could do anything. He could be with speed. He was a massive dude. So he was strong and powerful, and he was also savvy, like, above the neck. He wasn't going to do the same thing and play cookie cutter within the defense every snap. Like he could, you know, he knew our. He knew formations. He could call out plays. Even if he was supposed to have contained and the ball's running away, he might dip you inside. So he's giving you a different look every time, which made, you know, I. I like to be prepared above the neck. I feel like that helped. Helped me. But he was a little bit unorthodox, where you didn't really know what he was going to do based on their alignment. And when you combine that with all of his talent and physical skills, he was a problem for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. So, look, this is the thing, too. You and Big Ben. Ben said that you were his favorite receiver of all time, which makes complete sense because you were always on the same page. Was that something that you, like, gradually just started working on, or did it. Did it take time, or was that something like y' all instantly just. You knew. You kind of, like, felt like you knew where he wanted you to be, and you knew where he wanted you to be.

[Heath Miller]

I think maybe it took a little bit of time, but a lot of it was just natural. I think the fact that maybe where I did play quarterback before.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Heath Miller]

And I don't know. I grew up playing a ton of sports, so I think Ben grew up playing a ton of sports as well. So we just had that kind of a natural knack and feel for how to play the game, whether it be basketball or whatever. We just kind of played off of each other, and there was a lot of unspoken Stuff I wish I could say we could. We spent hours in the film room or hours on the field after practice, but.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But look, that was just kind of

[Heath Miller]

a natural thing that worked together.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, for sure. And I think, really, because I, like you said, being on the offensive side of the ball, playing quarterback and just kind of feeling. You play all different type of sports, basketball, baseball, saw that. So just being natural and kind of knowing the feel of the game is kind of the same. When you, like you did. You did quarterback, too.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, you have your route on a piece of paper that you go up and you make us, you know, turn left at 12 yards. But yeah, it don't always, you know, Joe, in covering, it don't always look like that when you go to the field and you gotta kind of play with it and know the zone and the defense and how to work to get open and when to get open and understand what the quarterback's going through before he might get to you in the progression. So it all works together. And I think that, you know, Ben was a lot of fun to play with in that regard because it was always. You never knew how the play was going to turn out. He would make it his own.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I love that.

[Todd]

For sure.

[Joe]

Compared to early Ben, when you first

[Todd]

got there, 2005, you know, 2006, 2007 to 2007, 2014-15, being what.

[Joe]

What.

[Todd]

What would you say was the greatest progression of, you know, him developing, like, into big men?

[Heath Miller]

I think it's just probably just the natural ownership of the offense.

[Todd]

When.

[Heath Miller]

When we first got there or when I first got there. And early in your career, James, our offensive line was. And we had the bus. We had Deuce Staley. We then had Willie Parker. So we were a running team behind Alan Fanica, Marvell Smith. A lot of guys up front. Kendall Simmons, all those guys, Big Max, Jeff Hardings. I think three of those guys were in the Pro Bowl. When I walked down the hall, like the first time in the building and they had the Pro bowl picture up, there was like almost the whole offensive line.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah. So there's a lot of dudes on that line, so. And Ben was a young quarterback, so obviously we ran the ball a lot. We play action passed. I think some games we throw it like 15, 20 times a game, and we might win by three or four touchdowns.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

But then, you know, as we progress, then, you know, Ben gained more ownership of the offense, rightfully so. And, you know, he's changing protections at the line. He's Calling plays at the line and, you know, they're kind of giving him the reins and the keys, keys to the car, so to speak. And then they surrounded him with a lot of weapons as well. So it was fun to see that progression.

[Todd]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Like, you know, just me, you know, say, being there since 2002 and just watching, I'm like, yo, like, you know, like you said, we were, we, we. Early in his career, if we had a point where if we had more than. I think it was like 18 or 20 passes from him. We lost like anything below, like 18, it was like 80 something percent, you know, win whatever it was. But as you said, like, as he got better, had a better understanding of, you know, looking at and. And graphs of the offense, you know, it just, it just flowed through. Especially, you know, with him being able to put the ball wherever he, you know, really wanted to and, you know, extending with his plays. I think a lot of people don't realize that when he was young and he was extending with his plays, it was more of. He might have had a chance to get a pass in there sooner, but he just didn't have time to get to that part. So he extended the play and that's where it was. The O. We in backyard football, defenses break down. It's spot pass. And that was great for him.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, he could use his athleticism. And then going back, I just thought like, we were talking about the team things. We were a defensive team. So the fact that if on offense, if we could run the ball and eat the clock and keep our defense fresh and on the sidelines or when they were, when they did take the field to get after the quarterback and to bring their pressure packages and stuff, and they were fresh. It was, it was really. It was complimentary football at its best. And, you know, that's the way we played. And then obviously, as Ben got older, he became our best player on the team. Then we built the team around him and, you know, we could put more points on the board at that point.

[Joe]

Sure.

[Todd]

For sure.

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