Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Mike McCarthy expectations, Jarvis Landry GOES OFF on Stefanski, JSN GETS PAID!

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

Episode Theme: NFL Insights, Coaching Expectations, and Big Contracts

Original Air Date: March 23, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Hayden

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Episode Overview

On this lively episode, NFL greats James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Hayden dive into a range of today’s football storylines. From the anticipated arrival of Mike McCarthy in Pittsburgh, to Jarvis Landry candidly sounding off about his experience with Browns coach Kevin Stefanski, contract news on JSN’s historic extension, and playful talk about player comebacks and flag football in the Olympics — expect sharp analysis, behind-the-scenes truths, and the hosts’ trademark humor. This episode is rich in both X’s and O’s and real locker room candor.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter & March Madness (05:08–09:15)

• Personal Touch: Joe brings his son Jetty to the studio due to a sick day, creating a warm opening vibe.
• College Basketball Talk:
  • Classic Gators vs. “everyone else” banter.
  • Deebo ribs Joe about Florida’s early exit in March Madness.
  • Joe defends his Gators:

    “I’m always going to rep my school. Florida Gators, win, lose or draw.” — Joe Hayden (07:00)

• General Theme: Early camaraderie, playful bragging, and the shared agony of busted brackets.

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2. Mike McCarthy Arrives in Pittsburgh: What Should Fans Expect? (09:24–13:20)

• CeeDee Lamb on Mike McCarthy:
  • Harrison shares insights from CeeDee Lamb on McCarthy’s leadership style and expected offensive mentality:

    “As soon as he walks in the building, you’re going to feel his energy... He wants to go vertical with the ball.” — James 'Deebo' Harrison, quoting CeeDee Lamb (09:29)

• Hosts’ Take:
  • Both optimistic that McCarthy will revitalize the offense, especially with “vertical” passing and a strong run game.
  • Joe emphasizes defensive tightening—line assignments, reducing blown coverages, and the importance of establishing the run to open up deep-game possibilities.

Notable Exchange

• Deebo:

  “You know how you get the ball down the field, Joe?”
  Joe:
  “You gotta run the ball well.” — (11:14–11:20)

• Both highlight the historical improvements McCarthy made to rushing and total offense, advocating for balance between run and pass.

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3. Steelers Defensive Upgrades (13:20–15:49, 20:18–23:37)

• Key Additions Highlighted:
  • Sebastian Joseph Day — “Eats up blocks, holds his ground… allows your inside linebackers to run free.” (13:20)
  • Jaquan Brisker — “Physical tone setter… can play in the box or in coverage.” (14:18)
• Inside Football Talk:
  • How stout defensive line play frees up linebackers like Queen to “scrape and make plays.”
  • Respect for unsung “dirty work” specialists; team-first mentality matters more than the stat sheet.
• Mentoring Points:
  • Consistency over flash:

    “Everybody got some dirty today job... coaches and players, you know... that dude was a baller.” — Joe Hayden (22:00)

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4. Roster Building & Quarterback Questions (23:45–25:49)

• Media Takes:
  • Hosts dismiss CBS’s latest power rankings (Steelers fall to 20), brushing aside “outside noise.”
• QB Carousel:
  • Discussion about Pittsburgh patiently waiting on Aaron Rodgers’ decision.
  • Deebo and Joe focus on piecing everything else together so that when the right QB is in place, “all the other pieces are ready.”
• Anticipating the Draft:
  • Lighthearted note about Pittsburgh schools going remote during draft week due to crowds.

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5. Jarvis Landry Goes Off on Stefanski & Player-Coach Dynamics (27:29–32:44)

• Landry’s Critique:
  • After Stefanski won Coach of the Year, Landry says the player-coach connection faded.
• Joe on Locker Room Realities:
  • Strong defense of professionalism: players don’t air issues in public while on the team; candid truths come out post-career.

    “Once you’re retired, and you ask me an honest question, now I can give you my honest answer.” — Joe Hayden (28:40)

• Deebo’s Perspective:
  • Organizations keep the “lie” going even when it isn’t the full truth:

    “You die with the lie... rather it’s true or not true. The lie they go die with.” — Deebo (32:33)

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6. JSN Sets a New Contract Record (33:03–36:20)

• Jackson Smith-Njigba’s Monster Extension:
  • 4 years, $168.6M ($120M guaranteed) — the new annual and guaranteed money record for WRs.
  • Deebo recaps the stats and laughs at constant “resetting” of the WR market.

    “That’s a Brinks truck bag. He deserves it all.” — Joe Hayden (33:45)

  • Discussion about who’s next (Puka Nacua) and how middle-tier WRs now command $20M+.

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7. Lighthearted: Deebo’s “Comeback” Calculations (41:56–46:27)

• With top players earning $40M+ per year, Deebo jokes about coming out of retirement:

  “Listen these numbers, man. I might have to come up out of retirement, man.” — Deebo (41:56)

• The two laugh about “per sack” pay rates, old heads getting paid, and what it would take for “third down specialists” to make a return.

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8. Joe Burrow Wants Olympic Gold—Flag Football Banter (46:54–55:02)

• Joe Burrow wants to play for Team USA in the 2028 Olympics (flag football):

  “I think it would be something very special... The opportunity to win a gold medal is something that I’ve always thought about...” – Deebo, quoting Burrow (47:22)

• Flag Football vs. Real Football:
  • The hosts debate the legitimacy and rules of flag football, poke fun at flag vs. contact, and ultimately agree it’s entertaining but “not real ball.”
• Olympic Football Dreams:
  • Playful push for American football as an Olympic sport:

    “Let’s just go to the Olympic committee and tell them, hey, put American football in there.” — Deebo (51:19)

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9. Closing: The Joe Burrow “Trade Pitch” (53:04–57:24)

• Deebo’s Monologue:
  • Jokingly addresses Burrow, urging him to push for a trade to the Steelers for a shot at a championship:

    “Go up there, Mr. Brown, and tell him... I gotta have something to show for my legacy. And you need to be traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers...” — Deebo (54:10)

• Joe’s Reaction:
  • Laughs and plays along, admitting he’d welcome Burrow to Pittsburgh “in a heartbeat.”

    “If Joe Burrow came to the Pittsburgh Steelers — instantly it's time to win.” — Joe Hayden (55:02)

• Sense of Hope: Deebo closes with a classic line:

  “Ain’t never too late.” — Deebo (55:55)

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “I’m always going to rep my school. Florida Gators, win, lose or draw.”
  — Joe Hayden (07:00)

• “You know how you get the ball down the field, Joe?... You gotta run the ball well.”
  — Deebo & Joe Hayden (11:14–11:20)

• “Eats up blocks, holds his ground... allows your inside linebackers to run free.”
  — Deebo on Sebastian Joseph Day (13:20)

• “Once you’re retired, and you ask me an honest question, now I can give you my honest answer.”
  — Joe Hayden (28:40)

• “You die with the lie... rather it’s true or not true. The lie they go die with.”
  — Deebo (32:33)

• “That’s a Brinks truck bag. He deserves it all.”
  — Joe Hayden on JSN’s new contract (33:45)

• “Listen these numbers, man. I might have to come up out of retirement, man.”
  — Deebo (41:56)

• “Go up there... I gotta have something to show for my legacy. And you need to be traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers...”
  — Deebo’s pitch to Joe Burrow (54:10)

• “If Joe Burrow came to the Pittsburgh Steelers — instantly it's time to win.”
  — Joe Hayden (55:02)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 05:08–09:15: Personal banter, March Madness, Gators talk
• 09:24–13:20: McCarthy expectations and offensive schemes
• 13:20–15:49, 20:18–23:37: Steelers defensive additions; the impact of unsung heroes in the trenches
• 27:29–32:44: Jarvis Landry’s critique of Stefanski, locker room truths
• 33:03–36:20: JSN’s contract extension, wide receiver market
• 41:56–46:27: Deebo jokes about a comeback—“per sack” price breakdown
• 46:54–55:02: Olympics/flag football; Deebo pitches Joe Burrow-to-Pittsburgh
• 55:02–end: Locker room laughs, “never too late,” closing thoughts

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Episode Tone & Style

• Language: Locker-room real, unfiltered but always professional; mix of high-level analysis and classic athlete banter.
• Energy: Upbeat, personal, at times self-deprecating; both hosts use humor to punctuate their sincere takes.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode delivers exactly what loyal football listeners want: authentic opinions, updated league news, and genuine athlete rapport. It mixes pure football talk (X’s and O’s, strategy, player evaluation, contract insights) with a unique window into how NFL veterans view culture, coaching, and their own legacies. If you want analysis with both substance and soul, this Club Shay Shay installment is a must-listen.

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[Joe Hayden]

Brother Debo. I'm doing great. And actually, today is a special episode for me. My son Jetty stayed home from school. He wasn't feeling too well, so I got him in studio live, just watching. You know what I'm saying? He got eyes on me. So I got my young boy right here, you know, taking care of him, making sure he's good.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He was feeling good enough to watch, though, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

He was feeling good. Look, look.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, he's feeling. Hey, hey, I ain't got no problem with it.

[Joe Hayden]

Trust me.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, Hey, I ain't got no problem with. Let me see him, man. Put him on the show, man. We got a special guest. Come on in, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on. Come on, Come on. Show yourself. Show yourself, son. Show yourself. Come here, my man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, what's up, boy? How you doing? Here we go.

[Sophia Bush]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You sick? Sick? Are you playing sick? What you doing? I'm not playing sick.

[Joe Hayden]

He not playing sick. He's sick for real.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He's gonna tummy ache.

[Joe Hayden]

He's gonna be better. He's gonna be better tomorrow.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He gonna be better tomorrow, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, you got.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You got a fever. You got. You running the temperature sign.

[Joe Hayden]

He had a little temperature. That's what I'm saying. He really got a little temperature. Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, we can't be sending you out there getting everybody else sick now, you know?

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, I see. I see both y' all got that gator on, though.

[Joe Hayden]

See? Look, Debo.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, them Gators ain't do a damn thing, though, did they?

[Joe Hayden]

Why you gotta be like that? Why you gotta be like that, huh? Why you gotta be like that? I'm just saying. I'm still representing. We lost by the buzzer beater. I got us out. I was beaters at a buzzer beater. Three pointer in the corner.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Why was it even close?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't. It's March Madness. It's March Madness. Anybody can win. Anybody can win. That's why we play the game.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I guess that's what y' all wanted to do. Y' all ain't even take a shot.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, listen. No, come on, man. I got my son here. Don't get me all hyped up.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just. Joe, I'm just. I'm just talking, man. I didn't. I didn't. You know, I'm just asking questions. I see a lot of Florida going on over there. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm always going to rep my school. Florida Gators, win, lose or draw.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

You know how that is. You know, you. If you repping your school, y' all doing a lot of losing. So you repping your college no matter what, ain't you? Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, we in the tournament. I'm just trying to figure out how you go from winning it all to not even making it to the 16th.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, always next year. Always next year. I would. I would play the great game. I'm not going to take nothing from them. They did their thing. They did their thing. It's only one team is going to win, and it wasn't us this year.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, we all know it wasn't y'. All. I mean, come on. Iowa.

[Joe Hayden]

See.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, man. Iowa basketball. Iowa, really?

[Joe Hayden]

It's March Madness. They made it to the tournament. They have good players. I'm not going to knock Iowa, man, but Florida, they. We didn't do. We didn't do. We need to do. But I'm still going to rep them regardless. You see, my team, we was number one seed, and it didn't pan out, but I was able to watch my team on March Madness. Do you watch your team? Who's your team? You know what I'm saying? You just trying to go with my team. I'm in the tournament. I was there. I was ready. I was hyped. Ah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just saying, Joe. I mean, I know what nobody's saying. Oh, man. Iowa about to go out there and do something, man. You know, you marked that down. It messed up your whole bust.

[Joe Hayden]

My whole bracket. You exactly right. Yes, it did that bust. My bracket. Carolina, North Carolina, who had them losing? Not me.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't know, Joe. I mean, how many other number ones lost?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't think. No other number ones. No other number one.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I had a call.

[Joe Hayden]

I had Evo leave me alone.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We need some water.

[Joe Hayden]

Go. It's always Go Gators. It's always Go Gators no matter what.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. It's always Go Gators no matter what. Man. Say, I understand that. Gators and Browns, you like losers. I understand that, y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All. Wow.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It's okay. Hey, Ain't nothing. Hey, listen, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't try me, Jeff.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Don't kill the messenger, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm just. I'm just speaking.

[Joe Hayden]

We got plenty. We got plenty natties over here. Where I'm at In Florida. I got plenty natties, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I understand. I understand. I understand something that, you know, we both can get behind because, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It's still related, of course.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. That's something we could talk about together.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yes. Yes. And my guy, CD Lamb, yo. He tells fans what to expect from Mike McCarthy. He said, Just coming in, he's a great time. As soon as he walks in the building, you're going to feel his energy. You're going to feel what he wants to do. He wants to go vertical with the ball, and I'm going to tell you that right now. But he's going to do everything. He said. He's going to tailor his offense and get things situated, but he's Pittsburgh down. Everything that he's done, everything that he's done has been out of love, man. Again, this. That's another guy that I feel like I would run through a wall for. This man said this about Mike McCarthy, baby. I love that wall for this man. That's what they. That's what the man said when they asked him, hey, man, what is Pittsburgh getting in? Mike McCarthy, brother. He said, oh, my God. A great guy. He loves Pittsburgh. That's my man. I love Mike. That was his words.

[Joe Hayden]

That's it. That's his words.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That was his words, Joe. Okay,

[Joe Hayden]

I'm take him at his word, no question. I'm gonna take him at his words. I think. I think CD I like the way he moved. I like the way he's vibes. I think that he's a pretty good judge of character as far as coaching. And if he says that, I'm going to take it and run with it. And I'm thinking that our team, this is what we need. This is. And the one thing I like is at the end of the day, Debo defense, obviously, we going to have to get our defense tightened up. Alignments, assignments, techniques, nobody running free, nobody getting blasted off their spot. So we going to figure that out. But we ain't seen the ball go down the field in a while. And really, you know how you get

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

the ball down the field, huh? You know how you get the ball down the field, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

You got to run the ball well.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You got to run the ball well, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to run the ball well.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Exactly. When he came in at 21, he took offense. That was ranked 17 in the rush. I think it was 14 total offense. And he improved that rush offense to a nine, and it was the number one total offense. He added the rush game to make the defense have to defend both when

[Joe Hayden]

you do that, you open up other

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

things, but you got to establish the run. You got to establish the line of scrimmage, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to establish the line of scrimmage. You got to stay ahead of the sticks.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Once you don't get yourself in the position to be looking crazy in third and longs where they know that you're. That they're going to come after your quarterback's head. We're behind the six. No. When we stay ahead of the chains, they don't know if it's gonna be running past. They can't stay too high. They have to drop a safety down into the box which makes up that opportunities, those one on ones that we need.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So what do you say? They go to vertical game.

[Joe Hayden]

They go to vertical game. I'm with it. I'm with it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We got two big bodies now. Two big bodies. We got two big bodies going downfield. And both of them like to get physical in that run game too.

[Joe Hayden]

We can't forget about Mount Washington. I think Mount Washington is going to be a big, big part of the blocking game and the catching game.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, yes. Now listen, man, stop. You make like Firemuth ain't there. You know what I'm saying? Stop tripping, man. What are you talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

Firemouth is 1,000% there. And I know. And we gonna use him too, because that's the part. Whenever Firemouth was on the field, he was catching the ball. We just didn't use him enough. We was using Johnu a little. A little bit more, you know. So now we got my man firing move. He's you. He's getting paid. So now play him. And we got Mount Washington still. So both of them. We got two. It's perfect.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And see, when ain't nobody really saying nothing about, you know, saying what's, what's the, what's the boy's name? Sebastian Joseph Day. That is a interior defense in lineman that we picked up real stout in the running game. Man. Eats up blocks, okay. Holds his ground, clogs up the running lanes. Okay? High motor dude. He liked doing the dirty work. He liked doing the dirty. You know what that do, Joe? That allow your inside linebackers to run to be free because three fold defense is made for your linebackers to run, make the plays. And on top of that, Joe, he done. He doesn't want to ship. He won a ship over there in with the Rams. So, you know, he knows what it takes. He knows.

[Joe Hayden]

Bring us a pedigree.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What are you Talking about, it's there, Joe, he's there. And then another one. Hey, Brisker, the safety. We scooped him. Physical tone Setter.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Still a football kind of guy. Okay. He could play in the box. He blissing. He got, he got. He gets to give you that deep coverage too now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And you know what else? Because he's so good. You know what? Making good.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, what's up?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Good play recognition. He reads it and he goes and gets it now.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, okay. That's what we need. And this is, this is what I'm trying to tell you, Debo. I think with the defensive lineman and people being on their job and not letting the linemen let the offensive lineman get to Queen, I think he's going to have a way better year. When I go back and look at it, when he's, he's shooting his gaps, he's, he's, he's not afraid. You know what I'm saying? He's running, he's hitting. He's going to do what he has to do. But I think some of the times when you get a free lineman up on you that doesn't have to go block, he's literally on you with an angle. Like, that's kind of tough sometimes. So I think if you, like you said, we get these D linemen that could really just hold your ground. Like, it's not for you to make the play every time. Stop trying to go under. People like you stand right here. And that's going to make Queen be free so he can be way more active. And he's going to make a lot more tackles so he can scrape and make plays because he's fast enough sideline to sideline, he's not scary, you know what I'm saying? So I'm just, when I'm looking at him like, I believe he's 26, he's young, he's not.

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[Joe Hayden]

So I think with getting a better D line in front of him, more stout, making sure keeping handsome, keeping them free. Let him roam and run through there and pop the running backs, make plays on them. But it's harder. You get that guard on you like you trying to you fighting for your life.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He's not even that dude. It's I'm sitting here at my depth and before I get to take a step I'm back here with the D lineman and the lineman that he done got pushed back by and now you're trying to fit into a spot that you weren't meant to fit in.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know you got a guy now that is going to take two. He they're going to need to to move him. He's going to clog up these running lanes. He's going to make it difficult. He eats up blocks. He's not a guy that you go see crazy on the stat sheet.

[Joe Hayden]

Why?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Because he is a run game dominant. KC Hampton is a dude that should be in the hall of Fame. Knows he should be in the hall of Fame. But you won't see him because the numbers don't say it. But his play, him being there, man, it ain't too many people that I think is better than him. I can't Even really name one to be 100% honest with you.

[Joe Hayden]

No for sure. I mean when you say that Deebo, a lot of the times when dudes are on the team with players and he might not get all the tackles, but it's like, if he wasn't there, I wouldn't have made my. You know what I'm saying? He's in his position, so then I can be in my position. So thank you, you know what I'm saying, for not being selfish, trying to make my play, you know what I'm saying? When you. You got your gap. I got my gap. When he comes into your gap, you're going to make the play. When he comes into my gap, I'm going to make the play. So when you have just dudes that are like, players, team, team, guys, this is my gap. I know he's not coming here, somebody else's play to make, you know what I'm saying? Those are just the dudes that. It goes unnoticed for the stat sheet, but coaches and players, you know, like you said, Casey Hammond could be the best. And they're like, his stats might not show up, but no other. Like, he let so many other people run free and make so many plays because he's doing his dirty work. Everybody got some dirty today job. And especially when you talking about the D lineman, you're not going to get all the love and stuff when you get the sacks and you know what I'm saying? But you holding down your job, the center, the guard taking two, letting your linebacker go free and just make a play. That's what teammates like. Good teammates, good dudes like you, me, people that watch tape be like this, that dude's a baller. I was like, only he only had 23. It doesn't matter how many tackles he had. He wasn't getting moved out of his way. How many me's? Zero. How many missing assignments? Zero. The dude was on point every play. He did exactly what he needed to do. So, like the splash stuff, when you see dudes, oh, yeah, that's all good. But there's 70 plays a game where this dude is literally just holding it on, holding his own, like locking people down so everybody else can scrape and make plays. So when you get dudes like that, like you say, these tackles that don't care about nothing else but doing their job. I'm not going to let these men get to my backer. Boom. Oh, my goodness. We love you. Thank you. You're going to make our defense so much better. It's not going to show from your stats, your numbers, but everybody else eating is because of you, and we appreciate it. Big man. So, like, that's. You need them dudes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, that. That combo block where, you know, you got the. You got the center and the guard, they go combo up to the linebacker. You know, you ain't.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't too fast.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He's gonna make the play and destroy it. None of that happening, baby. Ain't none of that going down.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's when that D line, they just dogs up there. They. It. It goes unnoticed, but you need them.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No question, man. CBS Sports, I guess Pete Prisco, I guess it is. He dropped us down to 20 and the latest power rankings. Who cares? Whatever he says, in light of the horrible quarterback position in the franchise. He says they're waiting patiently on Aaron Rodgers to make a decision as whether he will play. Looks like he will. New coach Mike McCarthy has hope he does, because they aren't a lot of options left. Joe, we already knew this, man. Pete, you ain't watching what's going on right here. This ain't. This ain't no breaking news. You must not have nothing else to write about, baby. But it's cool. We get to talk about it. So, you know, hot couple seconds.

[Joe Hayden]

That's really it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Ain't nobody there. We know we waiting on Rogers, but we building everything around to make sure that whoever steps in there has a great chance of being successful because all the other pieces are in place.

[Joe Hayden]

You bet. You build a team. You build a team. You know, obviously, quarterback is the number one position, but when you have other hoes, you just trying to get you the best team possible. So then when you get that quarterback in there, we say a rod. You know what I'm saying? If y' all waiting on them, Mike McCarthy, who do you want? Do you like? Will, do you like. I know you like a rod. A rod comes here. It's a smooth. It's a smooth transition, but I'm just wanting to see who McCarthy, who McCarthy feels.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I ain't worried about it.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't worried about it, though.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm having a conversation, Mike. You know what I'm saying? Have me some facetime.

[Joe Hayden]

See Holl at him. See where his head is at, Debo. See where his head is at, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

See where. You know what we got going on. Ain't nothing but thanks for wine. You feel me? No draft coming up and all that. While the draft coming up, Pittsburgh school said, yo, they about to switch to remote learning during the draft. Joe. What you think of that, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I think that Pittsburgh is just being. It's smart. Just a couple days. Kids do A little virtual. They got a lot of people coming into the city, moving around. Solid. Let the kids have a little. Little couple days. They still get to learn it. They still gonna be having a couple assignments they gotta do. I'm not mad at it. I'm all for it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, you gotta think about it. I think they're anticipating, what, 700, 000 people to be in the city of Pittsburgh for the driver. You talking about 700, 000 people? Additional 700, 000. You know how it is with just what we regularly had, bro. To get anywhere in the city, you gotta cross over a bridge somewhere they trying to block. No, that ain't no more than one lane, two if you're lucky. So you're talking about a nightmare, dude. Like, if you're trying to transport these kids and get them to school on time, they'd say, you know what? Let's slowly roll down.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's just chill.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Get this virtual, man.

[Joe Hayden]

A couple days.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? And they might not even get home after school till about, you know, five, six, seven o'. Clock. They did something like that in school. Letting out it too.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. I think it's my move. I think in the NFL said they had nothing to do with it. I just think it's people making just normal decisions. That's not. You don't gotta overthink it. There's gonna be a lot of people out here. Is not so common. So it's crazy. I'm like this. No, they just doing something that's like, okay, boom, let's move a lot of kids. There's gonna be a lot going on. Let's just take three days, they'll be out of here, and then we go back to regular scheduled programming.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, that's easy work, man. Look, man, let's go on over here to see what Cleveland got going, I guess. The former Browns wide receiver Jarvis Landry, bro. He had said something on this podcast about his time in Cleveland, and he said, you expect most of these coaches that are younger to be more personable, more reliable with their players, and in most cases, it just doesn't work out that way. He also noted that after Stefanski earned Coach of the Year honors and the team reached the playoffs, the connection between the players and the head coach began to fade.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It began to fade. Joe, did you ever play with Jarvis? You didn't play with him, did you?

[Joe Hayden]

No, I didn't. I talked to Jarvis all the time. I'm probably going. He hit me up yesterday. So we.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he's trying to get me on a. I'm gonna go out to Miami and get on this podcast.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna get him out on us.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I mean, man did win coach of the year. What was it, 2020. Jarvis was there in 21. I don't know. Joe, what do you think of this? What do you think of the statement or, or should I say of him actually just saying it?

[Joe Hayden]

I guess this all I'm saying. We were just talking about who was talking about who was just talking about Coach McCarthy. We had CeeDee Lamb talking about his coach. Coach said went away. He's not no longer his coach. But he asked about him and he gave his honest opinion how he felt about the coach. When Jarvis Landry was talking about how he feels about Stefanski, the relationship just isn't the same. He just feel. Jarvis don't got no reason to lie. I love he's going to be honest and that's the one thing you're going to get from him. He's not going to just bash nobody or say nothing for no reason. He's not going to make something up to get. To get people to say no. It's just talking honest. And that's when things just people like, why would you say, I'm not going to sit there and talk about my coach's relationship while I'm on the team? This is in real time happening. No, like, I'm a professional. I'm going to keep it as professional as possible while I'm playing. Like, why would you say this stuff now? Like, for people that say that because I'm a professional, I'm not going to be trying to go at my coach did it up. But once you're retired, once you're out of the game and you ask me an honest question now I can give you my honest answer. And I'm not. I wouldn't do that in the locker room because I'm a pro. I, I know what it looks like. I'm trying to keep all this together. The team is the team that's going to be outside noise. Now it's like this. Oh, you're thinking about yourself. I'm like, no, no, no. That's why when people don't do that. Why didn't you do it when you're playing? Because I'm a team player. It's not about me. It's not about trying to get this stuff out, like how my personal relationship is. But I don't like him. He don't really like me. But we have a job to do, and I'm going to go to work and I'm going to handle my business. So then once you get out and somebody asks you something and you're answering a little different, like, oh, no. That's how you. I'm like, yes, because I'm a pro, and I didn't want to make it a big thing. That's what you do. You go about your business and you handle your business. Now, since I'm out, we're chilling. I'm vibing up. You want to ask me a question? We chopping it now. We talking. I could really let you know what was going on, how I really felt, how the relationship was. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's what it is with Landry. I don't think it's no hate, no harm. The same way CD talked about good things about Mike McCarthy or whatever. You know what I'm saying? If he had felt a different type of way, I think he would have said, I don't know, like, you know, somebody kind of rubbed me. He was. He was cool, but not. Not really my cup of tea. And it was about, okay, boom. Like, I don't. Okay. His relationship wasn't there. Certain people have different relationships with different

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

people, so want different relationships because of how they interact or how.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes. That's what I'm saying.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Every.

[Joe Hayden]

For sure. Yes. So, like, my interaction with that person may be different than how they treat you and what you. What. What you guys got going on. So if somebody asks them how. What happened. That's. I think that's why.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. So here's the thing, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You and I both know that no one is going to tell the whole and complete truth about what's going on at an organization.

[Joe Hayden]

While. Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And most guys won't even tell after they're done. Depending on.

[Joe Hayden]

Depending on how, you know, unpopular. Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And a lot of organizations go along with the. The popular narrative, as long as it doesn't make the organization look bad because it's just easier so for them to, you know, come out and say something afterwards. Now everybody questions it because they're like, well, why didn't you say something before? Because, like, he was here. We're not going to do anything that's going to be more detrimental to our team and, you know, make it. Make it. Make it harder. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Then I look like complete.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And, bro, it's been. It's been that way, and it's go. It's gonna stay that way.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Forever. Like, like what was the movie? Will Smith. Good lord. Focus.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Where, where his dad popped him and he said hey, you die with the lie. Mellow. And you just might like hey, they don't die with the lie.

[Joe Hayden]

No for sure. Sure.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Rather is. It's. It's. It's true or not true. The lie. They go diary. It don't matter. Especially if it's unpopular to what everybody else has been saying, you know, across the timeline, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Oh, what? Yes, sir. That's that. That's that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yo, that's that.

[Joe Hayden]

Baggie.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We got a little bit of news right here. Man of the year. How you say that name?

[Joe Hayden]

Jackson, Smith and Jigba.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Jackson, Smith and Jingba is now the highest paid wide receiver in NFL history. Yes. He got a Seahawks deservingly so four year bro. $168.6 million contract extension. 120 million guaranteed.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes sir.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

42.15 per year average and new money leapfrogging your boy jamar chase. Well 40.25. He got. He got an extra almost two on top of that.

[Joe Hayden]

You understand that that man has a. That. That's a Brinks bag. That's a Brinks truck bag. He deserves it all.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Way to go.

[Joe Hayden]

JSN went out there, did that. Now the crazy part is that's. That's the. You said the 120 million guaranteed. That's we gonna get. That's three years 120 fully guaranteed. He did it. And now it's just the wide receiver market. It just keeps getting reset. And you know, it's not if but when he's gonna be the. He gonna be the highest paid receiver for about. I don't know. I don't know how much longer. Not before, not before the season starts.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Two, three years. Two, three years.

[Joe Hayden]

No way.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Debo who gotta get paid next man. The man had 179. Sorry. Thousand 793 yards receiving. He was averaging 15.1 yards per catch, 119 grabs with 10 touchdowns, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, can I tell you something?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Super Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

Can I tell you something? It's not. It's. It's the. It's the contracts. It's the agents. It's the next man up. It's the if Puka. I think the only. It's like Puka is probably going to be right next. Puka about to get a deal right now. Puka's playing four year, four million dollar contract. He's on this rookie deal and this going into six. They have to sign Puka. So this is a Thing where I'm saying it's going to last 30 minutes. It's gonna last 30 minutes. They were looking. It's gonna last 35 minutes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

When I signed my deal, bro, I signed my deal. And then a couple weeks later, T sug signed his.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, Debo, that, that, that's what I'm trying to tell you. It's just who signed first. If Puka would have signed before jsn, JSN would have went and got a little bit more to Puka. So I think it's probably be right around right, right there. Right at 40. 43, 43, 44 year for Puka. Yeah. This just, it's just when you hit, this is the same, it's just, just numbers and agents. Like, how you going? It's gonna be right around the same thing. But Puka about to get broke off too. I love to see it. They deserve it. It's just when you're up and then. But this is what I'm saying. The 42 million is the highest and now we're looking at Metcalfs at 30. So it's just, I, I, I, I have to. It's just a tough time of receivers getting paid. It's like when Stu's like, is he worth six? Is he worth something? Like, dude, it's 40. The highest is 42. Right?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

So now it makes numbers look different. It's like half of that is 20. You know what I'm saying? So you just like 20 million for now. People like, oh, is he worth 20? You know what I'm saying? So it's like, hey, you better be nice.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Half of that, they ain't, they ain't number. What is it was 900 yard. You get 900, 800, 800 yards, 750 yards. 20 million, I should get 20.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm looking at. Agents and the players is like, it just looks crazy as the numbers go because if you the baller, if you him, you Jamar Chase, you, Puka, you jsn, you're going to be the one setting the market. Nobody's playing with your money. When you're like, middle area, it's like, well, what am I? Okay, what am I going to do? It's about Michael Pittman Jr. I loving that. Oh, yeah, like that. That's 20, that's 20. That's 20. We gotta steal. Good, good. Love it, love it. That's half. That's less than half, brother.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We are death.

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen these numbers, man. I might have to come up out of retirement, man. Good lord, I might have to come back. What miles over there getting miles.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, 40.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

40 bars. Yeah, I come in there, what do you got? 20. Got 20 something sacks last year going down into a to a 10 to a 10 bar. I get a 10 ball. I only got to do what a I only got to do what? A third? Something like that. What is that, a half? Not even a half or something like that. I don't know what it is, man.

[Joe Hayden]

How. But you talking about you coming back.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm coming back, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo. Look, this is what I'm trying to tell you though, you know, they not trying to play. They're not trying to pay old heads, Joe. They not trying to pay old heads.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, I come in, I come in completely production orientated. Just give me third down. Hey, Miles gave him what? He gave him 23 for 40.

[Joe Hayden]

One game, 23 for 40. But like, that's what I'm trying.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

All I want is 350 each sack.

[Joe Hayden]

See, look, this is what I'm trying to tell you. For real though, Cam Jordan is still, not, is still out there and Von Miller is still out there. Free agents still ain't signed yet. So I'm like you, you just gonna skip over them.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen. Hell yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah, you ain't listen. I'm coming in with minimal.

[Joe Hayden]

They had 10. Both of them had six last year. Both, man, that's it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You give me for the, for the low, Low. All I want is 350 a set.

[Joe Hayden]

That's 350 a set.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

350.

[Joe Hayden]

And you expecting to give us at least 10 of them though?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Hayden]

You expecting to give us 10 of them?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Talk to him, come on. Hey, Joe, what 10 of them things is, man?

[Joe Hayden]

10 you gonna get you good.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

3. 5.

[Joe Hayden]

A little 3.5.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Come to your boy, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

Did you a couple ill. Okay, I understand what you're trying to do.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. So, man, what are you talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

I could respond.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'll give him 20s. I'll give them 20. Basically say 20, 40, you know what I'm saying? Is it like two and then down there? Two mil a second, I ain't even tripping. Give me, I, I, I'm even giving a deal on that, man. You know what? I can't give him that much of a deal, man. Let me get, let me get 500 a second.

[Joe Hayden]

It Debo, you, you got, you got. I love it, I love it. You football ready though. You footballs.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I gotta double that though.

[Joe Hayden]

You get, you get.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I need, I need, I need, I need.

[Joe Hayden]

I seen your, I seen your ig, bro. You getting a little, you getting a little lighter. I seen that bench going down.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

48, baby. 48. I'm still throwing up. Four and a quarter though. Okay, don't worry, I'm about to bring it back up.

[Joe Hayden]

I gotta make sure. I'm talking. I'm talking about getting out there.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yo, that way, 248look like Joe, okay? 248look like Joe, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you look healthy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You look healthy, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

You know, like, you eat your grains, your fruits and vegetables.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to say, man, let me going down there, see what Mike McCarthy talking about, man. See what Mike McCarthy talking about, man.

[Joe Hayden]

If you over there talking about 500 at a sack, I don't know, for

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

the field out there, man. Put a feel out there, man. Listen, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Third down specialist. Third down specialist. Let me see what I can do, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. I gotta go. I gotta. I gotta come out and see it in person.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yo, tell them you coming back. You. Hey, every pick, you want half Debo, half meal for every pitch.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not lying to my. I'm not getting out there. Literally, I can't. My. My. You see the way my hips are set up now? I'm. I'm good.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You got. You got to work that out. You got to work.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, man. They're not getting any. They're not getting.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yo, we already talked about this, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not getting anything.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Make sure that you're able to go out there and do it.

[Joe Hayden]

I can still hoop with, like. I can still get it, but, like, DB, professional athletes. No, Debo, these dudes are still jumping 40. My vertical's still not. I don't know. I used to get a dunk all.

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I gotta think about it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, because you're 4 5, you know what I'm saying? Out there playing corner on the island. No, sir, my hips.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I mean, get your weight up and move to safety. Get your weight up and move to safety, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Coach, I done did my time. I'm good. I'm gonna go ahead. I done got my tackles in. I done tackled 500. 500 tackles. Tackle. Done tackle them all. Done tackling.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Took me do a lot of tackling in Cleveland because they was doing a lot of breaking.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I would know. They were doing a lot. I was doing a lot of crack. Replacement crack. Replace. Get down there, Joe. Get down there. Okay. Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, you was. You was doing the saving tackles. You was doing the 12 yard, 15 yard tackle through the line. All that, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, none of that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

None of that's okay. Man.

[Joe Hayden]

Nub tight end, huh? I'm right here. I'm right here. I need that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, I'M just. Hey, I'm just saying, Joe. I'm just saying, look here, man. My guy, Joe Burrow, you know, he made it clear. He said he wants to play in the 2028 Olympics. Earl said, I've wanted to play in the Olympics. I never necessarily played an Olympic sport before. So when I, when this got announced, I was pretty excited about it. The opportunity to win a gold medal is something that I've always thought about a moment like that for a long time, since I was a kid. I think it would be something very special. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

My guy is basically saying, yo, I'm gonna have to go get a gold medal if I'm gonna get something. And you know, he's talking about flag football. Obviously, being a quarterback, he was slanging that thing. He was doing some things. He almost shook one got, you know. Yeah. But you know, do you

[Joe Hayden]

watch a little bit of it? Parts of it, yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They started doing the handing off and running. I'm like, yo, that's like doing 707 and running the ball. It makes no sense. I don't understand it. But they need to make some rules for that. Like you can't just hand the rock, see?

[Joe Hayden]

But that. But that's the thing. Deal, Debo. That's the thing. It's flag football. It's their rules. It's their game. It's not seven on seven. It's not flag football.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You ought to be there, go ahead and just grab him and then tear the flag off.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's the we not. No, you can't just. Now, since you want to be Debo and you want to grab.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just saying you gotta like. Listen, man, they doing all the hip twisting and flipping and all that, man. Like, that's. It ain't really flag football. It's just hand eye coordination. Football, like, don't call it flag man. Just hand eye coordination. Now you got to just try and grab the flag because he doing it.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why it's called flag football, because you gotta grab the flag, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

One hand tap, man, put a sensor on them and when you touch it, it buzz. It go off.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you this. Watching that makes me just realize, though, it's not. If they wanted to play us in seven on seven, two hand touch, or that's going to be a different game. When you start having to be. That's hand eye. The flag grabbing is for real, for real. The part that's like, that's a real talent. And also the play calling, the being able to set it up. And knowing, like the double passes and like the doing that is a real thing that you would have to like if you practice it, like, you just can't come out there and play with some dudes that have been doing this their whole life and, like, know all the hip twisting, the dropping, you can't jump. You can't do that. So these dudes doing their little spins and twirls and you can't grab them. That's a flag. That's a foul. Debo, you trying to just rough him up because you see him.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I ain't trying to rough him up. I'm saying when you go to grab the flag, make sure you get part of his clothing.

[Joe Hayden]

No, see, that's that and hold it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Make sure he gets it.

[Joe Hayden]

Flag. That's. That's not the. That's. Then you're playing. Then you're playing contact, basically. Then you know what I'm saying? Flag football contact.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I ain't saying put your body on him.

[Joe Hayden]

You are saying grab his clothes. So you're stopping him. You could, you know, you put. That's how you put. Little hammy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Didn't they pull Joe's pants pulled off. Like, Joe almost got stripped naked about it.

[Joe Hayden]

Flag.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

Flat.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just saying, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I felt like it was entertaining. I just think that. That they know this game. It's not seven on seven. It's not like a regular football game. The field's so much smaller. You can't run your normal plays. They blitzing right at you from the seven yards away. You know what I'm saying? So they know scheme. They schemed it up. They know how to scheme it up. I liked it, though. I ain't gonna lie. I thought that the flag football team did a really good job because like you, they was dipping, they was juking. They knew. They knew they little scheme and they're nice. If they would have put some pads on, obviously it would have been completely different. Or if we played regular seven football, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They don't want to play no regular football, man.

[Joe Hayden]

No play real football. That's why. But they. But that's why we.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Let's go ahead and Olympics. Get real football. Get real football cracking, man. Just like every other professional sport. Every other professional. They had a professionals go and do the thing down, you know, create a flag league just so that they can be like, oh, it's is what? What is it? No, whatever.

[Joe Hayden]

I feel it. I feel you. If we had a real.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We listen football.

[Joe Hayden]

If we did a. But Then, okay, never mind.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Joe, Joe, listen. This is what we gonna do.

[Joe Hayden]

What we gonna do.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We just go. Go ahead to Olympic committee and tell them, hey, put American football in there and make it a sport. And then let's see who dominated.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, we would definitely dominate it, though. That's for sure.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They don't want no more American flags running around.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that would be. But I think they're trying to watch the injuries, too. I mean, will we let the sport

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

that doesn't have it? That's it. Football, you got. You got. You got rugby, you got soccer, you got hockey, you got basketball. Yeah. Baseball.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with you, Debo. We might as well. That would be fire.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What? Name it.

[Joe Hayden]

Having a football, contact football, like, come on. We would dominate.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

See, that's why they trying to cross over and go worldwide. So let's have it everywhere. Then we can have an Olympic sport. Maybe that's something they're doing. That's smart. I don't know. But I know what it really is. They just trying to grab the money.

[Joe Hayden]

That would be final.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I need to talk. I need to talk to Joe Burrow.

[Joe Hayden]

We need to make sure. But how would you feel about your. How would you feel about your quarterbacks out there, do you think? Would you let. You let your team. You'll let your quarterback play? You let Burrow my quarterback play? Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

In what? Flag football?

[Joe Hayden]

In the flag football Olympics.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. A thousand percent. I mean, they go represent the country, go get him a medal. I would.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I mean, they can't hit him, so.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you can't touch them. Football.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't see a. I don't see a problem with it, but I got. I need to talk to Joe. Joe Burrow. I need to talk to you. I understand what's going through your head. Let me talk to him.

[Joe Hayden]

Talk to him. Debo,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I want you to see me. Joe. Joe. I understand what's going through your head, Mr. Burrow. Let me talk to you for a minute. You sitting there in Cincinnati and you know there's no way. God's green earth and go get you a Lombardi. So you see the next closest thing. Cold metal. I understand it. You want to have something. You want to win something. And when you want to win something, Joe walks away from the tv. Make like I didn't see him leave. And when that happens, you try and grasp onto something so you can have something when you're done with your career. But if you want to have something, you know what you need to do. Joe Burrow. Go up there, Mr. Brown, and tell him I love everything you did for me. I appreciate what you did for me, but I gotta have something to show for my legacy. And you need to be traded to the Pissbud Steelers. And you know what I'm gonna do for you, Joe? I'm gonna go on down there, I'm gonna talk to Mr. Rooney, talk to Lil Dan. I'm gonna talk to Omar, talk to Mike McCarthy, I'm gonna say, hey, Joe Burrow won't come. Now, you just tell me what Mr. Brown won't, and I reckon I can see to it that we get that done. You know why? Cause it ain't never too late. Change colors.

[Joe Hayden]

Ah. Hey, Debo. I'm with it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Joe Hayden did it. Joe Burrow can do it back. Go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe Hayden did it. That's crazy. But that was a really good pitch, Debo. That was a great pitch. That was a great pitch. And only. Only. Only thing. You know what. Now, see, that's crazy. I am all in for Joe Burrow 1000%. Who wouldn't be all in for Joe Burrow if Joe Burrow came to the Pittsburgh Steelers instantly? It's time. It's time to win ship. It's time to go ship. What else is everybody talking about? Things to be looking crazy. I don't. I don't give a damn what you're talking about. Hey, we got you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Come to Pittsburgh. You ain't even thinking about a gold medal no more. What you thinking about? Lombardi. After Lombardi.

[Joe Hayden]

He gonna win the body. Then go get that goal.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Call him the body. Boys.

[Joe Hayden]

That would be. That would be out. That would be wicked. Anyway, bro. Anyway.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Ain't never too late.

[Joe Hayden]

Anyway, ain't too late. We need to go ahead and help. We need to go ahead and make that. Make some call trying to make it

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

to where you could trade your draft picks four, five years into the. To the future. Hey, Joe, if the rule pass, hey, go up There, talk to Mr. Brown. You appreciate everything he done for you,

[Joe Hayden]

but, man, see my legacy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't know if you got no cheering yet, but you want to have. You want to have your children. Something talk about, look at and think and say, go back to when kids go with me back to the. To the Stillers, man. And they sit there and we go through and they. Daddy helped win.

[Joe Hayden]

We're hoping

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

they get to see that. Joe, we want that for you, Joe. Joe, don't you want it?

[Joe Hayden]

What is it, Debo? This. The. The sad thing is that you even got me entertaining it because I would all. I want it for sure. We want it really bad. But the possibility. What are we saying? You, you, you keep saying something like, you know, something more than me because I'm like, this is if, you know, I'm all in.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, you gotta speak it into existence. Right?

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. I feel it. I feel it. That's right. The power. The power of the tongue.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The paid. The power.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't lying.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

All right. I just. Hey, I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

You're trying to speak into existence.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm trying to, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Just. I just don't. I just. Okay, I'm with you.

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[Joe Hayden]

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