Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Ranking Steelers Free Agency Priorities, Chiefs Restructure Mahomes, Lamar CALLED OUT?

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

Ranking Steelers Free Agency Priorities, Chiefs Restructure Mahomes, Lamar CALLED OUT?

Original Airdate: February 20, 2026
Host: James "Deebo" Harrison
Co-host: Joe Haden

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Overview

This episode of "Club Shay Shay" features former NFL stars James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they chop it up about pressing NFL off-season issues. The primary focus is on:

• The Pittsburgh Steelers’ biggest free agency and roster questions
• Thoughts on player contracts, re-signings, and cap maneuvers
• The Kansas City Chiefs’ restructuring of Patrick Mahomes’ deal and what that means for their roster
• Commentary on Lamar Jackson’s attendance (or lack thereof) at voluntary offseason work and a potential public call-out
• A few detours to the Cleveland Browns, Ravens, and Chiefs, with candid, player-to-player insight

The tone is laid-back, humorous, and direct, with unfiltered opinions from two ex-players who know these teams and the business of football from the inside.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Life Updates: Cabo Vibes & Early Drinks

[02:06 – 03:55]

• Joe is calling in from a golf trip in Cabo, joking about customs, early-morning drinks, and the need for a passport.
  • Notable moment: "Early bird get the word, Debo." (Joe, 03:57)

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Steelers’ Offseason Roster and Cap Management

[04:00 – 10:46]

Who Stays & Who Goes: Top Cash Earners

• Locks to Stay: T.J. Watt, DK Metcalf, Cam Heyward, Jalen Ramsey, Jalen Warren
  • Quote: “TJ Watt… he’s not going nowhere.” (Joe, 04:24)
• Trade/Release Possibilities: Alex Highsmith (if Nick Herbig keeps ballin’ at the same position), Patrick Queen.
• Tight Ends: Pat Freiermuth is a keeper, Jonnu Smith may go, Darnell Washington is worth a reasonable deal.
  • Quote: “Jonnu might gotta go. Definitely KEEP Firemuth…” (Joe, 06:39)
• Special Teams Value: Connor Heyward’s role as a do-it-all guy on special teams makes him almost indispensable at the right price.
• Younger Players: Joey Porter Jr. should get ‘the bag’ before any others.
  • Quote: “He’s a dog… Nephew, you deserve that bag.” (Joe, 08:37)

Free Agency Approach & Business Realities

• Discussion about the difficult business decisions with 'your boys' and asset management.
  • “What have you done for me lately is a real live thing in the league.” (Joe, 25:10)
• Cap reality check: You can’t have three edge rushers each making double-digit millions.
• Importance of homegrown talent—guys who’ve gotten better every year are prized (Joey Porter Jr. especially).

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Steel City Free Agents: Priorities and Price Tags

[10:46 – 19:45]

Extensions & Young Core

• Joey Porter Jr.: Priority extension due to performance and upside.
• Nick Herbig: Extend depending on how the edge room shakes out.
• Boswell & Darnell Washington: Both valuable, but at player-friendly pricing.
  • “I think Boswell… you can get a player deal because I feel like he wants to stay in Pittsburgh.” (Deebo, 09:44)
• Keanu Benton: Better to use him at his natural position and reassess mid-season if he breaks out.

Depth & Special Teams

• Connor Heyward: Valuable, ‘Dirty Red on the offensive side,’ willing to take a local discount (possibly).

Roster Turnover and Tough Calls

• Steelers have up to 27 FAs; not all can be kept.
• Gainwell will “get the bag” elsewhere after doing it all; team must bring in QB competition since Mason Rudolph doesn’t cut it.

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The Business of Football: Age, Value, and the Bottom Line

[19:36 – 26:29]

• Joe and Deebo break down the harsh realities for role players and aging veterans.
  • Quote: “Either you’re going to be the highest paid or minimum; there’s no middle area.” (Joe, 25:00)
• Discussion about letting go of solid but older or less impactful vets to save cash and get younger.

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Browns Roster Chaos & Offensive Line Meltdown

[26:25 – 33:40]

• Cleveland losing foundational pieces of its offensive line (Wyatt Teller, et al.)
  • Quote: “How you lose your whole… How you lose five?” (Deebo, 32:48)
• The business side: contracts structured so departures are inevitable, often post-June 1st for cap purposes.
• Joe’s frustration as a former Brown: “We have to get a line. We don't have nobody.” (Joe, 33:11)
• Jokes about modern analytics suggesting firing your whole O-line as a strategy.

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Ravens Drama: New OC, Voluntary (Mandatory) Workouts, & Lamar Jackson

[33:46 – 36:30]

• Ravens’ new OC is publicly emphasizing the need for players to report for voluntary* workouts.
• Underlying implication: call-out likely aimed at Lamar Jackson, who traditionally skips voluntary offseason stuff.
  • Notable quote: “Voluntary is mandatory in the NFL.” (Joe, 34:44)
• The tension between contract status/star power and accountability.
• Deebo: “Our success is dictated off of you. We need you here… building those relationships.” (35:37)
• Joe: “It makes it look like...where’s your quarterback? You want him in there…” (35:59)

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Chiefs Cap Magic: Mahomes Restructure, Tyreek Return Rumors, and More

[36:30 – 41:45]

Mahomes Clears Cap Space – Tyreek Hill Reunion?

• Chiefs restructure Patrick Mahomes’ contract, free up $44 million in cap space.
  • “I really think I am a contract analyst, brother. I should really do that… I know how to work that cap!” (Joe, 38:31)
• Tyreek Hill drops hints about a possible reunion with KC on social media.
  • “That would be the smartest and best situation for both parties. They need Tyreek.” (Joe, 37:36)
• Cap implications for other stars (Travis Kelce, running backs) and how deals get spread out between base and signing bonuses.
• Jokes about Taylor Swift’s wealth cushioning the need for Kelce’s next contract.

The Salary Cap Game

• Debates about the ongoing manipulation of contracts to make cap space, especially for elite QBs.
  • “You should make every year Patrick Mahomes on your team change his f***ing contract to fully guaranteed...” (Joe, 40:19)
• Mahomes on a “team-friendly” 10-year, $500M deal. Dak is making more annually; structure is everything.
• Side note: running back contracts and the likelihood of Kansas City moving on from existing backs (draft, value plays).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joe Haden’s take on locker-room business:
  “What have you done for me lately is a real live thing in the league.” (25:10)

• On Joey Porter Jr.’s extension:
  “Nephew, you deserve that bag.” (08:37)

• On the cap game:
  “I should really do that… I know how to work that cap!” (38:31)

• Harsh NFL economics:
  “Either you’re going to be the highest paid or minimum; there’s no middle area.” (25:00)

• Lamar and the Ravens’ new OC:
  “Voluntary is mandatory in the NFL.” (34:44)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 02:06 – Joe’s Cabo intro & early morning antics
• 04:00 – Steelers’ top earners: who stays, who goes
• 08:08 – Free agency extensions: priorities and reasoning
• 15:50 – Keanu Benton & handling young contracts
• 19:04 – Full free agent rundown, tough roster choices
• 26:15 – The "what have you done for me lately?" reality
• 32:03 – Browns' O-line departures & contract poison pills
• 33:46 – Ravens’ OC comment: is Lamar being called out?
• 36:30 – Chiefs: the Mahomes restructure, Tyreek rumors, cap wizardry
• 40:19 – Joe’s cap structure rant (guaranteed money, Mahomes, Dak)

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Tone & Final Thoughts

The conversation is candid, insightful, and colored by the players’ on-field experience. The discussion flows naturally from topic to topic, with much of the back-and-forth based on personal relationships with players/coaches and the gritty realities of the NFL's business side.

If you want to understand how real pros weigh value, loyalty, and the salary cap—plus get a sense of how locker rooms gossip about front office moves—this episode is a must-listen. The perfect balance of insider knowledge, sharp banter, and real talk about the cutthroat world of NFL contracts.

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Transcript

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Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Deebo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe and download where you get your podcast. How you doing over there today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

What you doing, Debo, man? Look, man, I'm vibed up. I'm out in Cabo kicking it with my homies on a little golf trip. Wifey let me come out here. We're at what's called Chileno Bay. Chileno Bay in Cabo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Where's Cabo, man?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna tell you this right now. It's one of the beautiful, most beautiful places in the world. And I'm gonna bring you next time I come.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay. Where is it?

[Joe Hayden]

In Cabo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Where is Cabo?

[Joe Hayden]

Bro, Mexico. Mexico. Oh, hell, I'm in Mexico right now.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Kicking it. Nah, bro, I can't. I need a passport or something, don't I?

[Joe Hayden]

Definitely. You definitely do. They tried to hit me up at customs.

[James Deebo Harrison]

See ball?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. That's what they did.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They did. What happened?

[Joe Hayden]

Randomly check. Went all through my bags and everything to be more careful, but I'm good. I'm good. I'm here. I'm chilling. We golf. Yeah. Yesterday I came through, ended up golfing. Yeah, I know. Sure. Got to be more careful, but I'm good. Got through. Got through.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Got through.

[Joe Hayden]

Safety first. Safety first.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You stupid. Oh, no. You know. You know.

[Joe Hayden]

But yeah, I'm good. Everything's good.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen here, man. What you. What you got right there? I think I saw something. You got something in your hand. I see something on your. Oh, nothing. Oh, okay. I just making sure. I'm just making sure. You ain't dropping. You ain't sitting nothing down. I thought I saw something in your hand. You were sipping on something. I don't know. I could.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, you talking about this, this little thing about.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, it's gone. What time is it?

[Joe Hayden]

It's 12, 12:30, 1:30 somewhere. What time is it right here? It's about 9, 9:05 in Cabo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. 9.

[Joe Hayden]

9:05am a.m.

[James Deebo Harrison]

wow, that's crazy. Early bird.

[Joe Hayden]

Early bird get the word Debo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Early bird get a hangover the next day too, out here. You know what I'm saying? Stu, man, let's go ahead and jump into this little Steeler stuff, man. Still the depot, they hit it.

[Joe Hayden]

They.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They said they wanted to know what's up with the 10, the top 10 cash earners, you know, who could we possibly look at this little thing right here, man. They want to know who we could possibly move on from or. And who go stay, man. What you think of that list? Who you think.

[Joe Hayden]

This is my thing when I look at this list is obviously TJ Watt. He's not going nowhere. DK Metcalf. If I would have been the Stillers. I mean, hopefully he comes out and balls out again this year. He can't go nowhere. And now we look at how this Highsmith. So Alex Highsmith. I love Alex Highsmith when I talk about this stuff. It's not like I don't want my boys to feel like no Joe trying to talking about getting me out the way. No, I'm not talking about getting you out the way. I'm just saying from the outside perspective of the business wise, when Nick Herbert comes in and he's balling at the same position. T.J. watt has that money already. He's not going nowhere. Highsmith, you're in a position where you're not. You're a baller and that's good. So the Steelers, they know they can get something for you and you also have do so that when I say Alex High Smith, I mean it respectfully. Not like, nah, they don't need to. They don't need you. No, you're nice. So that's why you can be able to. They can get stuff for you and it. It'll work.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, they can get a benefit from it. Plus it opens up something to be able to see, you know, depending on what their plans are with 1,000%.

[Joe Hayden]

So that's when I'm. When I'm. So that's why when I try to get into the names and talk about what's going on, it's not like, no, I don't want him. Like, he's not. I'm like, no, no, it's good. You are an asset and they can be able to make something. You can get something for you this value. But it's. It sucks when you say it about your boys. Then we got Jalen Ramsey. I like Jalen. I think Jalen can still.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Jalen ain't going nowhere.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I said. Jalen's not going. I love Jalen. Jalen's chilling. Out of these first three, it would have been dk. If I was the Steelers when he did that little thing on the side. And I could have got.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Who you go have then. Who you go have then?

[Joe Hayden]

Who I'm going to have. I'm going to go get. I would have went, I got somebody. But I'm just saying. All right, now DK stun. You're right. OK. I'm not mad. DK's there. Cam Hayward, obviously chilling.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

McQueen, Patrick Queen. Gotta go, gotta go. Love him to death, but we need that. That's just. It's a lot of money there and we can use that to get. You know what I'm saying? Another ass at maybe the linebacker position. Pat Firemove and John New Smith. I like fire move. I love fire move. Homegrown. Homegrown. We love him. He didn't get as much playing time this season when he. Whenever he was out there, he was balling. So I like for us to. Maybe John New might gotta go definitely keep fire move. And we still got Washington. So fire move in Mount Washington. Jaylen Warren. Thousand percent keeping Jaylen Warren Yes. Thousand percent. Like, not even. No questions asked. And then Malik Harris, I'm not. We. He was solid. Stepped in.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I say that's gonna be like. That's up in the air after the draft decision, to be honest.

[Joe Hayden]

That's depending on.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Depending on money. Like, if. If money is needed, you know, with. With Queen. I'm kind of. I'm kind of with you. I mean, I think he done even took Stillers out of his bio. So, I mean, I think he kind of see the writing on the wal. They may have had a conversation already because he had made like, you know, I think it was like a couple days after the season was over with that, you know, he was gone anyway. So I think they have. They actually have, I think some. A roster bonus that's due him too. So you. You add that along with that, I think you're looking at a possibility of almost. What's that? 10?

[Joe Hayden]

Was it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Is it 10?

[Joe Hayden]

12 is the roster bonus?

[James Deebo Harrison]

No.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Right. But it'll guarantee.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So that's. That's something. You know, then we got guys that are. Are coming up on. On extension. They got, you know, they got it. They got a few guys right here. Another one where, you know, these five guys who. You think. Who are you signing first? That's what I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

Young peace. Joey Porter Jr. Is going to be the first person that gets the bag, for one thing. He's homegrown. He drafted from the Steelers and he's done nothing but get better every single season. And he's a dog. He wants to get better. I love the way his, like we was getting on him by his, like, holding or whatever, man. He was no holdings, barely gave up any. Didn't give up any touchdowns. He's been balling and I think it's

[James Deebo Harrison]

been almost three years.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying, brother. And like, his stats speak for themselves. Nephew, nephew. We talking about you getting that good bag. Nephew, you deserve that bag.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen, they gonna have. Listen, they gonna have to give it now too, because if they don't just

[Joe Hayden]

keep going up when Sir Tan mess around. Sir Tan. What's my man's name from the Stingley. These dudes mess around, start getting 30 something. Milk, we need to go ahead, get them right. Give them a good.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Y' all better get it right for. For anybody get anything?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, right now. Right now.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Right now.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Right now.

[Joe Hayden]

We give it to you. Yes, right now. So he needs to get the bag. Who else was on that list?

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm looking at Nick Herbic. For me being, being the second one that I would, I would look at. But that also, like you said, that's dependent on what you're going to do

[Joe Hayden]

because that's three people at the same position. Watt at 35, we got Highsmith at 15 and then her big at. It's like, okay, you know what I'm saying? Two is good because when you're trying to build a roster, you gotta have three people at the same position making double digit M's hotel. It's just a little tough. And everybody, they deserve it. They deserve it. So it might, you might not be able to be right here and get it, but you're going to be able to go there and get it for show.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I think Boswell, I want to say, I want to say Boswell would be my next thousand percent just because like that's him. And I think you can get a player deal. You ain't going to get a player, player deal, but you can get something because I feel like he's a guy that want to stay in Pittsburgh.

[Joe Hayden]

Boswell, he gets it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He got so much going there. Yeah. So I think, I think they could do that if they, if they get a, get a player deal. Another one is Dwayne Washington. I mean, sorry, Mount Washington, Darnell Washington. I think, I think if you can get him at a reasonable price because he can block. Just do not leave him like one on one with a, A pass rusher. Yeah, yeah. And on top of it, you know, he's still, he's still a pass threat. So he can help you in both areas. It's just of. What's that price that you're. Yes. What's that number? You know, he's coming off being hurt too. So, you know, I mean, I hate to say it.

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That's part of negotiation. And speaking of that, another one dude, Connor. Connor Hayward, dude, I think he's actually up though and he, dude, he's another one, bro. He's on all phases of special teams. He play in all phases. He do tight end and fullback. He do a little sneaky little sneak sneak. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying like that, that just brought to mind that and then you.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause with, with that like you said, bro, Connor Hayward does a great job for himself because he makes himself like you need him. He's on all four phases. He makes sure special teams, everything, he's on it. So that's where like I would say John New Smith, he's gonna be able to kind of get him out the way. Cause he's doing all of those other things. And then we got fire move and Washington to be like the real tight ends. But my man Connor Hayward, he's gon more of a special teams role, you know what I'm saying? He wasn't really getting in there. He did the tush pushes. But him being able to make himself, you need him. You don't want to get rid of him because he's a four phase guy. You got him on kickoff, kickoff return, punt, punt return. And you know he's gonna be solid, so.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Right. And you can still use him in regular.

[Joe Hayden]

And I ain't gonna lie to you. I would feel like Conor would take a good deal because he likes being in Pittsburgh. Got his brother there. I think he's chilling. I wouldn't want him to, but I think he would.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I mean you gotta, you gotta also understand like. But you know what, what he gives them is they're another role on another team where they're willing to pay so much, significantly more to cause.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no knock, no knock. The numbers aren't crazy, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's just more of like a guy that, you know, like a. Like when I would put like Dirty Red, you remember Dirty Red, the linebacker, guaranteed special teams guy. He's gonna do his thing and if you put him in the game, he gonna know what the you gotta do. He's not gonna be out there in man nothing. So I feel like Connor's more. He reminds me of Dirty Red but on the offensive side.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. And the last one is Keanu Benton. That's. That's 95 now. Look, I lie I know I talk bad about him, but when Casey, when Hampton's up there, Hamp changed my mind. He had me go look at some stuff. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. He had me go look at some stuff, dude. And I think because since he got it, he still got a year left, I think I'm not gonna do nothing with him this year. That's just.

[Joe Hayden]

I just wouldn't.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I think I would put him at more of his natural position. I think he's better from that. From that four eye to the two. Don't get him tighter than the two. I think he could be very effective there. But, you know, I'm going to wait and see how this season starts rolling out and maybe, you know, try and get something done. Maybe mid season, if he's playing so good, you know, that you. You can't lose him. And that time come to actually getting paid, it's gonna be. You know, it's gonna be way trying.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna ask you a question. Normally do deals, though, like, during the season, or is it more like if we don't do it during the off season, then I ain't really seen too many deals get done during the season.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't know, man. To be.

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To.

[James Deebo Harrison]

To be honest with you, I. I really don't know. I know they used to not do deals at all, and they started doing deals, like, in training camp, and, hell, they just redid Cam right before she start. So I don't know mid season, that may be something different because I'm looking at them.

[Joe Hayden]

Real talk. Because, like, if he goes into the year without a contract, you know how that goes. And during the season, nobody's really talking about deals. You know what I'm saying? So once that offseason hits, he's free. He could be able to go. So I'm like, they're kind of betting on their self if, like, you want to get something done right before the season start. Because as soon as that season starts, if he balls out now, he can be able to go and look and see what he wants to do. And now y' all aren't gonna be the first one to be like, all right, y' all were here like, I'm waiting for you. The season's about to start. What we gonna do? And then y' all don't give me a deal. Y' all gonna say, I gotta play this last one, and that could be free. You know what I'm saying?

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's where I'm like, I say make. Well, if you go do that and be like, all right, you don't wanna wait till the season start, then get him all the reps you can between that two and that four I and see what he do. Dude, he got nice people, dude. It's just that when you put him that two eye in to that zero, it get ugly. He got, you know, he got. He got to take. He got to take two shots on, and that's a lot. That's a lot harder. That's a different frame. That's a different. That's the Hampton, you know, position that you gotta. You gotta get into. I mean, you got to be ready to grab grass immediately or be big and strong enough to stand up there and hold, hold up. You know, just. I mean, that's just. Every position got something dirty about it. That's one of the dirty positions. When you. Between that two eye and that and that.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man, you got to take two. You're knee in the dirt, you getting. You're getting murdered. But you're helping out. You're freeing up your linebacker. The coaches know. Nobody else do. But when we look at that tape, like, look at that man in that jump digging into linebacker. Got it. You did your job. You know what I'm saying? It's not, it's not like you said. Everybody got something dirty to their job. That's the dirty stuff that your team. Everybody's like this. I see you, brother. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have been free. You know what I'm saying? So that's when, like, you don't get the name in the paper. So that's that dirty work.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. So those are. Those are the five that was there, but dude. Is that right? Dude, we got 27 free agents, actually 27 total this year that are. That are free agents. When you look at it, I think you're looking at what? Aaron, you got game. Well, you got the guard. Isaac Austin Samuel Jr. Cam Hayward. I mean, sorry. Connor Duggar. Louder. Milk, Holbem, those guys. Well, I think we're gonna lose. We're gonna lose gameworth.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't think we'll be able to compete because he's free now. Like, I'm not gonna sit there and just take something that you give me.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm.

[James Deebo Harrison]

At least let other people put offers

[Joe Hayden]

in a thousand percent.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. And then, you know, Aaron, it's not that I don't like him. I just don't think we should resign him. I think we should get what will Howard a chance, you know, and, and go from there. But I also believe, like, we should bring somebody in thousand percent with him. I don't see Mason Rudolph being the competition for him.

[Joe Hayden]

So I'm with you on that a thousand percent. I feel like Gainwell is probably going to be the biggest one because if there's any way we can retain him, I would love to, but the money wise. Go get your bag. You came there. You came and did exactly what you had to do for us. You know what I'm saying? So if you would take a friendly deal, hometown deal, we would love to keep you, my brother. I'm just saying we would love to

[James Deebo Harrison]

keep it, but he did too much, man. He was doing too much. He was like your dude in Cleveland. What's your dude in Cleveland? The dude. I think he's a tight end, but he'd be playing running back and everything else. Or he'd be. Or he's a running back and like, I don't know if he's a tight end or running.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no. Juck is the running back.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, no.

[Joe Hayden]

44.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What's his name? He heard his hip on that catch. Oh.

[Joe Hayden]

When he. Yeah, I know you're talking about.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What's the. What's his name? Chad.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You know what I'm talking about.

[Joe Hayden]

The Titan 44. He was damn near Pro Bowler 40 grass, bro. I'm having a brain fart right now. I'm out in Cabo with the margarita and hit.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. And then the guard, Isaac. What? I think he's. I think he's a little older, though. I want to say he's like maybe 31, 32 or something like that. And again, that's another one where I'm like, you know, it's depending on where they at in the draft because, you know, signing for what, another year or two. I mean, that's cool. If you got something already there that you're looking at me and the starter, then you got. With the receivers, you got Austin MSV and. And that's it. Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Is stealing gone?

[James Deebo Harrison]

I think. Well, I don't know. I don't think. I. I don't. I don't. I don't think. I don't think he signed any more than the rest of the season, so I would assume he's going. I think. I'm assuming that's gonna be an Aaron thing, to be honest with you.

[Joe Hayden]

We need real live receivers. Real live receivers.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Harold Fannin JR. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Harold Fanning. Harold Fanning Jr. Harold Fannin.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Harold Fannon. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

44. A legend. He's hooping. And that's why. That's why Joku, you know, it's just the league, the way the league goes, and that's why Joku got up out of there, because they weren't. They weren't gonna give him the bag.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Hey, now, look here. I want to go to the couple. Couple corners to a couple DDs, actually. You got. You got Pierce, Samuel Jr. And peppers. What do you. Where you at with that?

[Joe Hayden]

Samuel Jr. Is probably the only one that. I feel like he's legit. He's legit. We can have him opposite Joey Porter Jr. And be able to get into his bag. I think he came out there and performed. He's fast. He got ball skills. And I just think he was, you know, this first season there last year. I think if he gets another year on his belt, he's going to be good. Who else did you say? Peppers. I'm not gonna lie. I love Peppers. He got drafted to the Browns. When I was there, I don't think. I mean, he was getting like. He was on special teams every time he was getting flagged and penalties all over the place. I love. I love him as a. As a person, but I don't know if he.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

He.

[Joe Hayden]

He. I don't know. I don't think. I don't think he might be the guy. He's more of a special teams dude if we're gonna do it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I seen special teams do. And then when you look at it, dude, I think he's. I think he's 30 already. Oh, and, you know, you talking about, you know, you got that many years in, you know, how the price go up versus what you get for a younger dude. Get somewhere around the same production that's gonna be younger and go grow up, you know, grow into it. So, you know, I think. I think that's gonna be a lead, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Like you said, the league is no joke. They don't play the younger. Like, he was drafted early, too. Jabril. Super good. But, like, I just see that it would have to be a team friendly, you know what I'm saying? Deal. Cause it's nothing too much that he's been doing to show that he'd get the bag. Yeah, yeah. And I hate to do that, but God damn, you gotta be honest on the show.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. You got the Holcomb, Cole Holcomb on the inside. What do you think? This.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think, Dwell?

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't know. I. I mean, again, that's another decision on, like, you could wait and see, but you. You start looking at the age thing again. And, you know, I think a lot of these guys on the back end of, like, all this, you know, this whole list of most of them, it's gonna be an age and usage of what they provide, you know, that will have them not be resigned. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, that's just how it actually rolls.

[Joe Hayden]

The nature of the game starts coming to it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Especially when you're just, you know, you're. You're. You're like a. You know, you're a role player, but you're not a key role player. You know, that's just. I think that's how the league is

[Joe Hayden]

so crazy, because it's like, either you're going to be. Are you going to be the highest paid? Or you're going to be minimum. And there's no kind of middle area. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you're good. You're not.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Not.

[Joe Hayden]

We either gonna pay you or we're not gonna pay you. It's no, like, now you're average. You know what I'm saying? So, like, we can give you a little here. I'm like, so that's what I'm saying. Like, I understand exactly. You either gonna get the bag or they're gonna get a younger dude to come in and let your ass go.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, that's easy.

[Joe Hayden]

Super easy. But, like, when you look at it like, no, no, like, I'm balling out. And then as soon as you get the bag, you better continue to ball out on that high level. They're like, why am I giving this man this money? And, like, he's not hooping every single game. So it's real live. Like, you gotta. What have you done for me lately is a real live thing in the league. Like T.J. watt, they're talking about T.J. when he's not getting a sack every single game. They're like, man, TJ getting that money. I'm like, you're bugging. He's not going nowhere. He's a consistent dude. Like, he just can't have a, two, three sacks every game. Just watch the tape. He's doing exactly what he needs to do. Is he fucking up? No. So just because it's not splash all over the place, that's when you start getting that money. People want that splash every time. And it's like, ho, ho, ho, we giving him 40? I'm like, yes, you giving him 40. You do not remember he had 22 sacks, dummy. Like you.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

You remember.

[Joe Hayden]

You forget that quickly. So it's like that part is where when you start getting that money, your ass better perform or you're gonna get. They trying to look at you crazy.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. What y' all doing over there in Cleveland, though, man?

[Joe Hayden]

It looks like we ain't got no damn lying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What? Yeah, y' all about to let White take.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

He.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He gone. He gone. Look at his post. He gone.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe Antonio, Wyatt Tallahina. Thank you, Cleveland.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He gone.

[Joe Hayden]

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[Joe Hayden]

Nutella family I love you Teller. You did what you had to do for the city man. Put on worked your ass off Pro bowl bald. I see me when I see Teller. I see me when I see Wyatt. I see me when I see why

[James Deebo Harrison]

Teller, what do you see?

[Joe Hayden]

I see somebody that gave his all, tried his hardest, did his thing ball for the Browns. He's not the reason why. He's not the reason why.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You ain't that light.

[Joe Hayden]

You lift weights but you don't lift swollen than me. But you know, you know what I'm saying? I mean I see Cleveland pride in him.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yo. That's what I'm saying, bro. They said it was what they call it a. A poison pill in his contract or a stipulation in his contract where he was guaranteed 99 million base salary in 28 if he was not cut by the third day of the new Year

[Joe Hayden]

boy. That man knew he was chopped suey. 99 million.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They ain't even let him go yet. This is probably gonna be a post June 9th cut, you know, because that'll let them spread the. The cap hit over two years. So.

[Joe Hayden]

So what are you telling me? He's staying on? He's.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, he's gone.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He gone. He already knows.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not if, but when.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So post June 1st?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, okay. Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It ain't no if, but we win. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, it ain't 99 million. He knows he out the door.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What that was said in there. If they keep me, I'm good. If they don't, I'm good.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm super duper good.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He 31, but he a young 31. I think he only got, what, eight years in or something like that.

[Joe Hayden]

He's a Hooper. I gotta figure out what we gonna do with that line. We getting rid of all of our lines.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yo. About to say, you need to figure out what you're gonna do. He gone. He gone, Joe, what y' all gonna do? He gone.

[Joe Hayden]

How you lose your whole. How you lose five.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Put that in position to make sure you lose your whole offensive line.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know what they doing over

[James Deebo Harrison]

there in Cleveland, Joe. Is that even? Is that even? I don't even think that's possible in. In modern era to not even have you. You signed the whole line just to get rid of everybody. Maybe y' all said y' all was gonna fire the coach.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know what was going on, man. Look, all I know is we better. We have to get a line. We don't have nobody.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That must be that new analytic where, hey, if you fire your whole old line, you got a better chance of winning next year.

[Joe Hayden]

You're gonna draft five old linemen, and I don't know what we're gonna do, brother, with that. That's just sad. That's just sad. We're gonna figure. Look, we're gonna figure it out, though. I'm gonna let them get the chance because they know the same thing we know. I don't know how the hell you gonna get five new linemen, but you better go protect your door. And I hope code the new coach is in that. Trying to figure it out because it's looking crazy right now.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, matter of fact, over there at the Ravens, the new O.C. what's his name? Decade.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you say?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, man, he said he would expect players to be here. Certainly, you know, it's Certainly voluntary. But he just basically goes on to say, yo, if you want to say that you're winning, you want to build a championship team, you got to show that, you know, you're trying to put in championship effort and everything else. And all the guys need to be here. So everybody. I don't know, I'm just going off what people say, and I'm just part of the people. But I'm just, I'm asking. Was that a subliminal hit to. To Lamar Jackson, who, you know, he really don't. He don't really rock with the off season.

[Joe Hayden]

Shots fired, Debo. Shots fired, shots fired. I'm gonna tell you this. Yes. Coaches want you voluntary is mandatory in the NFL. They don't understand that like. No, no, no.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Depends on your contract and your position.

[Joe Hayden]

Depending on your contract in your position. But I'm telling you this with the, the coaches and they want you to be there for sure. When they say yes, just say if you, if you're.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I would definitely be.

[Joe Hayden]

If you're teetering your ass not there, you're not on the team. That makes. That's mandatory. If you are the. If you were to bald, you got your stuff together, you know what I'm saying? You might show up at the end of OTAs. Okay. When it's not mandatory, it's not mandatory.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Well, the OTAs, man, I think everybody can show up to them because you can still go back and do all your workout stuff.

[Joe Hayden]

I hear you, I hear you, I hear you. But I'm telling you this. Do you know, you know coaches, well, they want you there. They want the team. Why are you not here when we're here like it's. It's voluntary. And then at the same time, you make a $50 million a year. You the main man like you, everybody's following you. You're supposed like, that's what we.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It ain't about following you. We're. Our success is dictated off of you. We need you here building all that camaraderie, building up that time and building those relationships so that, you know, just.

[Joe Hayden]

Just seeing the quarterback in the building, it's like just okay.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But hey, I like it because hey, as long as it. It benefits us in some way shape or form. I don't know. I don't want him as ready as he could.

[Joe Hayden]

I like that. But the thing is too Lamar Jackson got right to be able. It's man, it is voluntary so he doesn't have to be there. You know what I'm saying? It makes it look like. Where's your quarterback? You know what I'm saying? You want him in there getting.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You got a whole new OC though. What is he changing it?

[Joe Hayden]

Is he not rocking with him? I see you when I see you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hardball gone, man. Everybody like what we talking about. And on top of that, your OC say this. And y' all looking to try and get this man to restructure.

[Joe Hayden]

Only. Nah. Only, only, only. Only way they did the Lamar Jackson is restructuring and that they're going to give him more guaranteed. And he not changing nothing for these fools. They better do what they did with Patrick Mahomes. You got your baller here. He got base salary churning in the signing bonus. And free up some cap space, dummy. Because he's going to get that 50. Like give him his 50. Knock that off. That's why I look at the teams.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What are you doing, dude? Speaking of that. That's what. Okay, so who was it? I done forgot what it is. I'm g. Have to get to it. I'm gonna have to get to it, though. I'll remember. I just don't remember what the hell it was. But it had something to do with quarterback. I'll get to it in a minute.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

I just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I just couldn't remember. Your boy Tyreek, I guess he had a little. Had a little post that he put up one of. What's the. What's the cat's name? He put this on X. I guess it was him with the time stamp and the whole. There it is. KC Right there. You see that? Can't see right there. Right there. You see it right there. See that, Casey right there.

[Joe Hayden]

Smart man, Debo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So. So.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey. So you thinking they bringing him back?

[Joe Hayden]

That would be. That would be the smartest and best situation for both parties. They need Tyreek. They need a man that can do what he did. Go deep and be fire. And he needs Patrick Mahomes and get himself back to where. Letting everybody know, I am still Tyreek Hill. I'm still that man. And I can go. You know what I'm saying? Do what I gotta do. So it's a match made in heaven. I think with Tyreek. He don't need to go to no team. That's sorry. Just to go get as much money as you can. No, he's going to be pissed. He's going to blow it up.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's the thing. I don't know how much money he's going to get.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't care. I don't give a damn. He Needs to go there for whatever day. He's trying to get as much as he can from Kansas City, but it's not going to be as much as you can get from like, hey, Carolina.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They might.

[Joe Hayden]

But he wants to win, too.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They might be setting it up for him. Who? You know, I'm Kansas City. Patrick Mahomes. You know, he just restructured his deal again, they said, clearing up almost 44 million of cap space for this year.

[Joe Hayden]

I try to tell you all the time, brother. I really think I am a contract analyst, brother. I'm telling you, I should really do that. I should be on my GM shit because I know how to move that cap, how to work that cap. I know how to work that cap. You hating. Don't hate. Don't hate.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Cause I work that cap.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, so what you go do with Travis Kelski? He's done.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. I'm going to talk to him. Look here, Trav, the same way goddamn Tom Brady, when you get to that level. That man tried got so much dough and his lady got so much dough, he's cooling by now. It's for the. Is it for the brag trap? No. Okay, so he's still gonna. We're gonna be able to figure out a little smooth. Not no disrespectful jump.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Look how much A.

[Joe Hayden]

Like 8. Like 8.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That man just finished the 2 for 34. 17. Are you crazy?

[Joe Hayden]

No, he can't even.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He. Taylor can't even get around to the

[Joe Hayden]

games for that, bruh. He'll do it for the 10 piece because he's not going to leave his man Patty out to dry. That's his man's. These are homies here. And it's not all like you said. Is it all about the money? No, not all about the money. She got a billion dollars.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's why. Hey. That's why he cleared up 43. So. So his homeboy could get 34 again. Listen, hey, now don't forget the running back. Now he up too.

[Joe Hayden]

And guess what? He might not get it. They might have to go draft. They going to go. They're going to draft the running back. They're going to draft the running back.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay? You draft the running back. They hunt up.

[Joe Hayden]

They're going to draft the running back and Hunt is going to stay. Hunt.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You go bring him in there to learn all this.

[Joe Hayden]

You're going to draft back. Listen, the Kansas City Chiefs, they don't need too much. So if you need to go get you. They go get you a fire running back.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You saying we're not having too much. Got Patrick Mahomes having to run every time. Ended up injured.

[Joe Hayden]

They need, they need line and they need a running back. And Rice, dude, Rice, he only got one year. Let me tell you something. When you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes and you're able to make his money guaranteed, making it to a signing bonus where that cap hit goes away, you should guarantee all of you should make every year Patrick Mahomes on your team change his fucking contract to fully guaranteed. And then that's going to open up all the cap space. Signing bonus him, he's making 45. Give him 45 and give him a million dollars during the season for his base.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So that's still, that's still gonna hit the cap. It's just gonna be spread over the length of what's left.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't worry about it. We'll figure that out later. They always listen, Debo, do you realize

[James Deebo Harrison]

Patrick Mahome is making like I want to say somewhere around like 50? Knew it, Dak making 60. Right basketball.

[Joe Hayden]

He gave a team deal. He did 10 full 500 million. He did 10. 500 a team friendly, Jo. That's what I'm telling you. When you got Pat. Listen, you can manipulate, you can make things.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He done tore his acl. He ain't ain't nothing friendly no more.

[Joe Hayden]

That's okay. That was unfortunate.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like what? We come on deep. I can't believe ain't none.

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[Joe Hayden]

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