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Co-host Joe
I'm doing great, brother Debo. You could tell by my background, you could tell by my space, where I'm at right now. I'm back at the crib. Good. Chilling. Post it.
Joe Halen
Okay, that's good. That's good. I was, I was. I was hoping, or I was surprised I should say that, you know, you wasn't off shooting to the Masters over there, you know.
Co-host Joe
No, bro. See, I would be in the Masters, but like I told you, you know, I'm the head football coach of the flag, so I can't. I can't prioritize the Masters over being there for the first game of the season for my boys, for my team,
Joe Halen
for my bro, for your boyfriend. Because you. So you went on ahead and jumped full, full in. Head coach, I'm. I gotta be there every day type work. So your sons, you know, you the head coach. I hope we don't have no discrepancies on who is starting there. Why, you know, your son starting over, the other person's son. I'm just saying, you know, you don't know.
Co-host Joe
That's the one thing that I'mma do that I love that. That's. That's what I love about football. Debo. It's going to be honest. My dad was honest with me about if somebody was better than me, if there was a person that could tackle better than me, if my son isn't. No, obviously we had the first practice. I got a kid named West. He is fast, he is. He is athletic. He's our best player. And everybody on the team's gonna know, okay. I asked him, wes, what position do you play? He said, I played three years and I played running back. I said, that is exactly what position you gonna play here for us. Cause we need you. So, like, I'm gonna be. Honesty is the best policy. If we see work hard and he's an effort guy, I see him running, boom, catching the ball. And then as soon as you catch it, turn up field, I need that extra burst. Jog the ball all the way back. There's no walking. You know what I'm saying? So I. Hopefully he's leading by example. So I'm gonna need my best players to be where hopefully they work hard. You know what I'm saying? Listen, discipline. Cause if you're not listening, then you're not gonna get. No, you gotta, you gotta be listening. You gotta Be coachable. That's first.
Joe Halen
Oh, okay, so that's what you go say. He wasn't listening. That's why your son's starting.
Co-host Joe
He ain't start. See? No, no, Debo, listen, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna do it the right way. That's all I'm telling you. I'll be a good coach.
Joe Halen
You know, me, I just, you know, I gotta check, you know. Cause it. It be. You know, be a lot of. Be a lot of discrepancy. I got. I got. I got a little bit. I got a little bit of experience with that, you know, around here in these PA areas.
Co-host Joe
That's why. That's why I started coaching. That's why I started coaching, because that's what I saw going on. And I was like, oh, no, we can't have that. Especially not at the young age. No, not. Not because you're not. Cause you're the coach's son. You're gonna be playing. That doesn't make any sense.
Joe Halen
Yeah, yeah, tell me about it, baby. Tell me. I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need to find out. You gotta give me some updates on where, you know, where you coaching both of them. Just one.
Co-host Joe
I'm just coaching one because my other son.
Joe Halen
Hold up, hold up. Which team are you coaching? The Steelers or the Browns?
Co-host Joe
I'm coaching the Cleveland Browns.
Joe Halen
What a surprise there.
Co-host Joe
No, but listen, because my coaches. My. My. My son, Jet, his coach, fire. His coach is amazing. They won the championship last year. So I see him coaching them up, doing it the right way. Great plays. These kids are learning, they're disciplined. My other son's team, Joey, they. They did not do too well. They won one game. You know what I'm saying? Coach was out there, you know, it was. It was cool. Hey, Joey, I'm like, now I gotta come out there and coach and just be out there and do it the way that, the way that my other. The way jets coach is doing it. I love it.
Joe Halen
Right? It's no surprise.
Co-host Joe
That's.
Joe Halen
The Villas got good coaches. They got, you know, they got good mindset. They got. They got, you know, they got good players. They got.
Co-host Joe
The team name was the Panthers. They were the Panthers last year. Year, they just switched the team name to the Steelers this year.
Joe Halen
So that's, That's. That's all they had to do too, was, hey, all you had to do was switch jerseys, you know, that's all you had to do.
Co-host Joe
Whatever, Debo, you always want finagle It. You always want finagle it.
Joe Halen
Listen, man. Listen. I don't. I don't. I don't do nothing, man. The colors run deep, you know?
Co-host Joe
Yes, yes, I know. And they run.
Joe Halen
You get born over here.
Co-host Joe
They run deep this way, too. I'm. I rock with the. I love the land.
Joe Halen
I love it when you born in Western pa. Hey, you know what they give you? First thing you lay on soon, as soon as they drop you out, we know what they did. As soon as you pop out, they drop you on them right there. They catch you in one of those, would you know what it is? Terrible. Right there. Boom. Dr. Don't even touch. He catch you on the terrible towel. Boom.
Co-host Joe
That's. Yes. Okay, Every baby that born in Pittsburgh, baby, that boy. Pittsburgh, baby. That boy still mill, baby.
Joe Halen
No question. No. Everybody keep their towel. Baby. Right there. Right there. They fold it up from birth right there, put it in the safe.
Co-host Joe
What do they call that? What do you call swaddle them? Swaddle them in it tight.
Joe Halen
Hey, that's it, baby. That's it. Swaddle.
Co-host Joe
Joe, what we got? Let's get to our Steelers, then.
Joe Halen
Let's get to our Steelers, man. There's some people that believe Aaron Rodgers price done went up because of the Kirk Cousins thing. Charlie Batch actually said, regardless of even Adam Scheffner saying, hey, it's not a contractual situation. Yes, it is, and it is. Why? And it's not. And if not, why didn't he sign? Joe? Yes. Go ahead.
Co-host Joe
What do you think? I think me and you might be on opposite perspectives on this one, because for me, I think that Aaron Rodgers, he's chilling. Like, I think he doesn't. Nobody's going to be able to rush him to do whatever he wants if he doesn't want to make a decision. If he doesn't want to say that he's coming back, then he's not forced to rush to say anything. And I don't really think it might be the money because last year his contract was $13 million. With incentives, they could get up to 19 million. Aaron Rodgers has made $395 million in his career. Then at $400 million for him, he could cruise. He could walk away if he wants to. He could come back. He could sign back if he wants to. But I think he's just really. It's on his own timing, so I don't think he feels rushed. I don't think he feels like he can. He kind of can do what he wants. He could sit out the way and wait until see something happens during the season how Philip Rivers came back, anything Aaron Rodgers, I think he's in a financial position and in the position where a rod just don't be caring for what type of time nobody else is on so he can do whatever he wants to do. That's what I think, Joe. What you, what you think, Joe?
Joe Halen
While I personally have not talked to Aaron Rodgers, I don't have direct communication with him. I'm going to be 100 in the same thought, process of thinking as Mr. Batch here. The man played for what, 13.65 last year with an additional 5.85 that he could get in the center, which puts him just under $20 million.
Co-host Joe
Yes.
Joe Halen
Her cousin's deal was basically a $20 million guarantee. That does give Aaron, you know, I guess a little reason that he would or people would believe that he would have a little more leverage or may, may, may need to be, you know, paid more compensated. I understand, but that's not going to give him any more power. Art Rooney said, what was it last. Last week? He said he hadn't turned, he hadn't personally talked to Rogers, he said, but Mike McCarthy was in contact with him on a regular. And Art said he expected an answer by the draft. Okay.
Co-host Joe
Yeah, you could expect that answer.
Joe Halen
Okay. All right. And, and, and McCarthy had already said as soon as he got there that he liked Will Howard. Yes, he was first hired. He said that. And I believe it was last week, owners meeting, same thing. He said, quote, he said people get caught up in what, what, like position the dudes was drafted in. But yes, that has nothing to do with. He also said that if he was in that process last year, he wouldn't have been around in the sixth round. He said Will Howard wouldn't have been around the sixth round. So he has confidence and Will. So I tell you this to say, yes, Mike McCarthy and the Steelers would like to have Aaron back, but the price is going to determine if they bring him back. And that's why they want a answer of if he wants to come back before they make an offer. Because I don't believe that if they went and said, hey, we're the Steelers, we're coming to you, Aaron, and we got a deal right now on the table for you, Aaron. 50, $60 million. I don't believe he would turn that down. Hell, I wouldn't turn that down. Would you turn that down? And I don't even want to play. Would you turn that down? Joe, Right now they say, hey, come on, man, he go, $56 million one year. You go turn it down.
Co-host Joe
I'm gonna go give the best I can. And I'm gonna give you a question right there for 56. And it might blow. Might blow something, but I'm gonna go get it to you. I'm gonna give you the best.
Joe Halen
No question, but go ahead. The Steelers don't get an answer before the draft. They're fine with that. And it's not, you know, idea of what, you know, how they want it to go, but they're just going to move like they've been moving, dude, instead of going and doing what they've been doing, which is getting people around in every position. And when the quarterback come, they'll have a quarterback. Right now they're like, you know what? Instead of us giving Will another year under Aaron Rodgers, we're going to say, you know what? It's going to be trial by fire. We're going to put him in there. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, we got next year. And I think that's just the process of the thought that's going through their head, and that's. That's where they at. Yeah, if he comes back, he comes back.
Co-host Joe
It's great.
Joe Halen
But we're not going to tempt him to come back because we have a price so high that ain't nobody go turn down.
Co-host Joe
Because my thing is, I don't think it's not even to the point where it's a money issue yet with a rod, because they. Like you said, the Steelers haven't offered him nothing, so he doesn't have anything to turn down.
Joe Halen
Right. He had nothing to turn down. He said himself he hasn't had an offer to look at.
Co-host Joe
But. And that's the same thing. What I'm saying, though, a rod is in, like, when I say, I don't mean the driver's seat, but like, the Steelers, you gotta. Your organization. And this man is 40 some years old. We know he's a vet. We know what he brings to the table. But if you want to organizationally get moving and have your team like, you got to be. He's. It's bigger than that. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, quarterback is the biggest position, but a rod is awesome. I'm chilling. I don't have to tell y' all what I want to do while, like, I'm a rod. If I don't want to come back, I won't come back. Like, you're not forcing me to tell you what I want to do. Why? Because you want to know. Because you want to move on and do whatever you want to do. You want to determine what you guys want to do, do what you want to do. Like we're figuring it out. We're talking with Mike McCarthy in communication, but he said he hasn't talked to Rooney but he's expecting an answer. You can expect the answer as much as you want, but that's a rod. We know how he moves. He got 400. He could chill. He don't gotta answer you. There's no timeline in his head. There's timelines in team's head. Cause you got OTAs. You got things you gotta do. But if you're him, I could be chilling as long as I want. I don't have to say nothing. I could gracefully bow out and not even tell you I'm retiring. I could just chill, not say nothing. You know what I'm saying? And then if I want to come back, you could do whatever you want, you know I'm saying. So that's why I'm looking at a rod at that point. Steelers if you want to get an answer.
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Co-host Joe
throw that man a deal. Throw him an offer. And then you can say, no. The price is the Something's on the table. We've sent something out to a rod. Now it's up to him to give us the answer before. Before the draft. Cause I'm like Times are ticking. Unless you make some moves and start saying something. A Rod ain't got to do nothing. He's cooling you organization need to figure out where you going to move, how you going to do it. Is Will going to be the guy? Are we smooth? When we go past the draft, we're addressing to get our team good. So regardless if later on a Rod comes, we still got this good ass team that all we need is him. You know what I'm saying? Then we're talking, what is it? 22 million 30. All right, we can finagle that and get.
Joe Halen
Or it ain't gonna be 20. It ain't gonna be 20, dude. I'm thinking he gonna have to be.
Co-host Joe
I hear you.
Joe Halen
Or better.
Co-host Joe
Yeah, no, for that.
Joe Halen
Because the price. Last year's price ain't today's price, buddy. And.
Co-host Joe
But then you're talking about what signed
Joe Halen
for what, a backup. They know he's getting the guy.
Co-host Joe
Yes.
Joe Halen
That they want to be their starter.
Co-host Joe
So I'm gonna go into a mindset too though. By that time. I feel you. This is my fallen swan year. This is my last year out. What's the difference between 22 and 30 when I made 400 million and I'm trying to win with this team that I see now after the draft training camp. Oh man, there's a mob there. There's a good line, there's good defense, there's Pitman, there's, there's weapons. I could just slide in here, possibly win the championship, a Super bowl with 22, 23, 25, something around that, that number where I'm looking like it's not even about the money now for him. He's like, I can go get a nice bag, play with a solid team, Mike McCarthy and, and be able to
Joe Halen
go, yeah, I understand what you're saying, but you know, everybody want to feel appreciated in the way you feel. Appreciation is in that number though.
Co-host Joe
No, no, no. That you could, you could, yeah, you could talk a lot about how much you love me, but you could show me with that dollar.
Joe Halen
All right, man, listen, Tim Hasselback, I guess NFL analyst Tim Hasselback said he really don't think Watson has a shot. He said, I really don't think Watson has a shot. He's been away from the game for so long, he's had basically two Achilles injuries. I think he is, I think his credibility in the locker room has been compromised because of his past. I think there are too many things with it if they don't drive the quarterback and I Think there's a lot of people that believe they won't. I think she Doris got a good chance. He should be in the building to try to prove that he can play at a starter level. Joe, do you agree disagree with old Hasselback statement?
Co-host Joe
I kind of agree because just speaking on Deshaun Watson, the last time he balled out was 2020, sat out in 2021. And then there's been a lot of injuries. It's been the shoulder. He's played 19 games, 2022-2024 for the Browns and two Achilles injuries. And I'm looking at the athletic ability. His thing was he could run, he could move. And I was looking at him while he was playing for the Browns. You get a little age, you started to get a little older. He wasn't just as explosive. So now coming off two fresh ACLs, people have took the Arizona, the Arizona Cardinals.
Joe Halen
He got Achilles, dude.
Co-host Joe
I mean, the Achilles, the two Achilles joints. It's like. So when we talk about those injuries to an athlete, that's not just. That's what he uses. He uses his legs along with his arm. So with me, teams like the Cardinals that already bit the bullet where you know you spent that money and you gonna take this dead money for Kyler Murray tua tang of a lua in Miami, you know what it is? You already took your bullet. You bit the bullet. When you, when you're in the Brown situation, Shador Sanders, I'm feeling like give him a chance. If it doesn't look like what it is, you still have desean Watson on your team that's working and you're paying him 45 million so you have a backup quarterback. It's not a problem for me to look at it like you got two, but for them, I'm thinking that Shador, he ended the season as a starter. He's grinding. He's in the building all the time. Coach Todd speaks about it. You know what I'm saying? We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel. I don't know if desean's in there yet, but I know one thing. I know Shador's in there. I know he's trying to be the. I know he wants to be the QB one. He's preparing like he wants to be the QB one. So for me, draft a tackle, get as many ballers around Shador that we can. Draft a tackle, get us a wide receiver, and then we'll see where it goes from there. If Shador is not looking good, if he's out there throwing Unnecessary picks, taking unnecessary sacks, making our team lose games for no reason, then we can move on. We see that he's probably not the guy, but I'm not thinking that's going to happen. I'm thinking it's going to be solid. Shador is going to look good. He's going to do way better than he did last year. Just growing as a player. When you get better talent around him also, that's going to help out. So I would start off with Shador at 1000%. He's leading off. He's the team. I think the locker room loves Shador, too. It's like the vibes. You see what's going on. Nobody. He's doing all the right things. He's not doing nothing to. For the team to be. No, no, no, we're not. No. Everything that I see. Miles Garrett. We love Shador. So top dudes are talking about that. He's. He's motivated. He thinks that he can be the starting quarterback. I think he can be the starting quarterback we're going to see on the field, but it's going to be a competition. I don't think he's going to get beat out during training camp. It's going to be him and Watson getting reps. You're going to have to. Deshaun. Watson's going to have to do something ridiculous to make. I feel like he takes Shador's job. I think I. I feel like Shador has a job. He's going to have to lose it, and desean's going to have to take it. And then when you go into the regular season, we see how it goes. Start him off. He ended the season as a starting quarterback, so he knows what it's like. So run it with. Run it with Shador and have Deshaun still working competition, competing, whatever. But I think Shador's job to lose.
Joe Halen
Yeah, I would have to. I would have to agree with you on that. I think it's more of Shador to lose it. And it would be a. It would have to be a great, great, like, take of Watson going out there and looking like he was looking before he came to Cleveland for him to get a shot at it. Because they like, dude, you owe us back pay. Like you. Ain't we. We got you 200 something, you know, fully guaranteed, and we ain't got nothing. But, you know what you say nine games in the last four years, and when you, you know, you go and look at it, go to 24. He's. He was seven games 164 a game, six touchdowns, three interceptions. One win. Take Shador. Seven. He had 175. He had eight touchdown. But he did have 10 picks, three wins. It's better. But Shador is a rookie, and it's a learning curve, so his next year coming, this year should be greater than what it was. Watson was already well into the game. You know, his career had got going. So you add that on top, with two whole years missed, you know, all the injuries, I don't see him being able to get much better than what his last performance was. Actually, I see it, you know, declining. You got to get back into a groove and all that. And, you know, you already running with, you know, Shador. He's younger. You got, you know, you got Watson. He's going to be older. And like you said, you know, he done lost a lot of the things that made him special just from injuries and not being able to. To be on the field.
Co-host Joe
Yep. Going into year 10, you're a quarterback. I'm hoping that everything's going. But you know what? It is two Achilles tears. Debo. That's not, like, a simple thing. You coming back from an ankle joint, you know, I'm saying, this bone, get it fixed. You good to go. This is, you know, I'm saying real, real athlete. That real. It messes up athletes.
Joe Halen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. So Kyle Shanahan, I guess he had to pull old Joe Burrow to the side and tell him, you know, chill out with that flag football thing. He said, I guess he was coaching him in that flag football event. Yeah, he said, I had to grab him one time, and I'm like, dude, chill out, man. I remember in one of our first practices, Logan Paul ran full speed to try and grab a flat grab his flag, and he made a move and he kind of collided. And I'm just sitting there like, oh, my God, we got a YouTuber running into our quarterbacks.
Co-host Joe
That's what I'm saying.
Joe Halen
Bangle said coach Zach Taylor couldn't even bring himself to watch it. He said, I pretended like it wasn't happening until it was over. So I'm thankful we got through it and we're good and we'll move forward and get ready for our season. Now, if Joe's going to do something, he's going to go all out and do it. He's trying to win, and that's why we. And that's why we should love him.
Co-host Joe
What you. What you thinking?
Joe Halen
All right, listen, I'm gonna tell you the truth. So originally. Originally, I wasn't tripping on it. Okay.
Co-host Joe
Yes.
Joe Halen
You know, I know I said I would let Joe playing the flag football Olympics and all that, but, you know, I should have changed my opinion when I saw the actual tape, but I was in recruiting mode. You know how they go when you.
Co-host Joe
When.
Joe Halen
When they come to you. When. When the coach come to your house, he sit down there with your mom and your daddy, tell y' all the lies, everything.
Co-host Joe
Yes. Yeah, you get the single digit. You get all.
Joe Halen
Yeah, I tell you. Yeah, tell you everything. So, you know, I was in recruitment mode. I should have backed up off of that. But it is no way in God screener. I am like 100 million thousand. I am infinity percent against him playing in anything else but NFL quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. What do you think? So
Co-host Joe
if I'm the. If I'm the owner. If I'm the owner for the Cincinnati Bengals and I have my franchise quarterback out there, that I need him out there on Sundays, that. That's what I actually do pay him for. And he. I know he gives us it all. He's running around. But if you. But if was the fifth, we all be drunk. But if Joe Burrow were to get out there and tear something up, how crazy would we be looking? You know what I'm saying? How crazy would the Bengals be looking? And everybody's like, no, no, no, you're doing it for the. No, that was a flag football joint. Just for views, just to get people out there. No, I don't know. There's no real bread here. Joe Burrow's making 45, like, 50, $55 million a year to be a professional quarterback and has missed games because of injuries. You know what I'm saying? In games. So, like, there's reasons why NFL contracts don't let us do certain things.
Joe Halen
Like, did they allow him to do that? Did their contract. I mean, Bengals say you could go do this. I would guess my thing was. This is.
Co-host Joe
I don't know.
Joe Halen
I. I actually thought that, like, the flag football thing, like, them playing quarterback in my head, I'm like, oh, that ain't a big deal. They gonna be throwing the ball. And then when I saw it, I'm like, they actually let them run. Yeah. And make cuts and moves, and you got other dudes running at you full speed, trying to grab a flag. Like, that's a recipe. Especially for a guy that's already done had a few inches. That's a recipe for disaster. Like, I am not letting you do that. Like, that's a non football injury. Even though it's in football, you can't get injured playing flag.
Co-host Joe
Oh, no, no. For sure.
Joe Halen
A horrible outcome for him if he had got hurt. You know what I'm saying?
Co-host Joe
Like, yeah, no, for sure. Because that's what you said. It's that non football injuries. Those are the ones that. That's what gets you about your contracts.
Joe Halen
Yes, yes. So somebody. I don't know, like I said originally, I just thought, yo, you go out there and you just sit in the pocket like Tom Brady do, like, for real and just throw the ball. But when I saw him, like shaking and baking and moving and all that, like his shaking bacon, really like that. And you know.
Co-host Joe
Yeah, he went max shaking. Baked, too.
Joe Halen
Yeah, he almost. He. He almost tore his own thing. Not even. Didn't nobody even touch him. Just trying to, you know, get it. Nah, I'm not rocking, Joe. I was in recruit mode and I was lying to you at that time. See?
Co-host Joe
Okay, there we go. You got something.
Joe Halen
I want to stay safe. Your offensive line is not protecting you over there. We can protect you over here. The coaching staff ain't putting the people around you. We go put the people around you. We doing it right now, Joe Burrow.
Co-host Joe
Yeah, we gonna keep them nice and protected. Good line, good defense. Hey, you might be.
Joe Halen
You score.
Co-host Joe
Protecting what?
Joe Halen
We go stop them from scoring. You ain't going to be out there in no shootout, bro.
Co-host Joe
You gonna be able to chill, hand the ball off.
Joe Halen
Hand the ball off. Watch them run, burn the clock. Ain't gonna be out there. You know, having to go out there and put your life at risk with a line that can't block for you, can't get.
Co-host Joe
You gotta pass.
Joe Halen
We sitting over here. It's never too late.
Co-host Joe
Now that. See, that's always. Look, all right.
Joe Halen
I just want him to be safe, man. And I don't think you're getting over there, bro. I want his joy back, Joe.
Co-host Joe
You want to love. You want to just love the game.
Joe Halen
I want him to love the game again.
Co-host Joe
That's it. You know, I respect it. Because if that Debo, you already know I'm all in for Joe Burrow for sure. But I'm just. That's just. That's just. That's just like a. It's just so far in my mind because I'm like, if that. That would just be crazy. Unbelievable. And you will be the first person that ever, ever. You've been bringing this up, Debo, for a long time. I went back on the thing. You brought this up like six months ago.
Joe Halen
Listen, man, I'm just asking. I gotta talk. You gotta speak it into existence now. Look at the. You don't always, you know, the timing, you know, sometimes it's immediate, sometimes it
Co-host Joe
takes a while, you know, man, it's not. It's not in your time. It's in God's time.
Joe Halen
Yes, yes, yes. Though. Hey, listen, man, the older wine get, the better it tastes. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Man, look here. The Ravens over there. Lamar Jackson done showed up at off season.
Co-host Joe
Yes, he did.
Joe Halen
It's supposed to be a big deal, man. I guess we got a video, man. Look at the video, man. I don't care.
Co-host Joe
Hey, man, you know, you. You can't. You know what? You know who. You never gonna. You never. Yup. That's that grind. That's that grind. That's what you would. Your quarterback. He in there. They quarterback. Yep. Sliding Joe, the phone, I guess. What's up?
Joe Halen
I guess Lamar going to the off season program thing is a big thing, you know. It's not a big thing. Okay. It's Lamar being a professional. All right? You have a new coach, which means you get additional. You go into. You can go in two weeks earlier. So you got new things that's going in, you got new things to learn. You know, you get an earlier start, the coach gets to go ahead and, you know, start his program a little earlier. Yeah. And Mr. Stated like last week over the meetings that it's about creating an environment where players want to be there, where they feel like they're getting a lot out of it. You know, we need an environment where they feel they're getting better. No, that's what he. Yes.
Co-host Joe
Yes.
Joe Halen
And I like, I like this for Lamar as a leader, as the face of that team. Brother.
Co-host Joe
Yes.
Joe Halen
Leading by example.
Co-host Joe
Yes.
Joe Halen
Doing the things necessary to, you know, show that he is buying in to the new direction.
Co-host Joe
Yes.
Joe Halen
New coach and, you know, support for
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Joe Halen
And it's. That's. That's what you're supposed to do. Yes, but I am me.
Co-host Joe
You just said, you preface this, all that you said, the good part and then.
Joe Halen
But I am me. And I'm still a fan. Yes, you are. I don't want them building nothing in that building. Okay? I tried my best to
Co-host Joe
speak to
Joe Halen
Lamar's ego about them expecting him to be there. Okay. Obviously it didn't work.
Co-host Joe
It didn't work.
Joe Halen
But. But I'm still hopeful that he may only be there for a few days and he has a change of heart and leaves early. Lamar, listen to me. You can still do that because you are Lamar Jackson, a generational talent, that is. Who are they to tell you what they expect? Meaning you better be here or else you a grown man. You can do what you want.
Co-host Joe
Who they talking to?
Joe Halen
Like, that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying about it. How's, how's you a grown man making millions. Millions. Millions of dollars. He gonna try and tell you what you.
Co-host Joe
Yes.
Joe Halen
What you better do. You're a grown man, Lamar. Joe, what's your. What's your view on this? What's your view on this recent development?
Co-host Joe
Joe, I could just say this. Everything you said at the beginning of your statement, I was rocking with too. I'm happy for Lamar. Is good for Lamar. I like Lamar Jackson, you know what I'm saying? As the player, as a player, as a football player. I like Lamar Jackson. He's just dynamic. I want the best for him. I don't want him to not do well. I don't want him to go out there and get hurt. I don't want anything, no harm on Lamar Jackson. I love, love his game. So for me, for him to go in there and just team wise, when you're a quarterback, when you're the leader of the franchise, it is always good to be able to get that relationship as early as you can with your receivers with line, get your timing together because you're touching the ball every single play. You're the most important person on our squad. And when Lamar's case you're the best player on our squad, the highest paid player on our squad, everybody's going to follow you. You got the swag, you got the juice. You, Lamar Jackson, you've been the MVP of the league a couple of times. So if you in the building, everybody should be in the building. You know what I'm saying? So you just kind of saying that foundation Lamar's in this joint, y' all better be in here. There's no reason why nobody else is working if Lamar's in here working. You know what I'm saying? So I love it from that perspective. Every other thing you said, it's getting them confidence. That's why you don't like it because you're like, nah, you expect them to be out there. The new coach, him saying that is him saying it is he would expect his best player to be there. He hopes that he would be there because especially now he's a new coach. So we got new language, we got new terminology, we got new stuff going in and hopefully if you want to be the best that we can be, you going to come in here early and get it done. And Lamar's showing that he wants to get it done. So it's kind of it works out. So the coach is probably looking a little Lamar like thank you for showing up. You making me look good. We got the best player in here like buying in. Basically that's full blown buy in. So it's a good look. So I bet coach is rocking with Lamar Jackson more now, wanting him to succeed because he's saying and showing the squad that I'm in here, I'm trying, I'm motivated and contractually wise, he got two years left. So Debo, this is what you can look at on the bright side. Lamar trying to get paid again. They're tripping. So if Lamar goes into this after this year, he's going to have one year left on his contract. And then if he goes in with one year left, Lamar like what they going to do then they better back up the Brinks or he could just play one month last year and then see if he can win a test free agency. So like Lamar Jackson might be able to be on the road unless they start acting right and start paying them like they he. He wants a new deal. And I think that's a whole nother thing too. Why he's going to be in there showing them. Look, I'm bought in now. You know what I'm saying? Show me something. So I think it's a little bit of two so you can see if they. You gonna hear. I think we'll be hearing contract talks about the Ravens too. So Lamar's in there trying to show him, like, look, I scratch your back, you scratch my back. Oh, you know what I'm saying?
Joe Halen
I understand what you're saying, but I still didn't hear your. Your butt part of it.
Co-host Joe
My butt part is. My butt part.
Joe Halen
I don't like it. My butt part was giving too much.
Co-host Joe
My butt part, my. But my butt part is. Is not good for the Browns and the Steelers. It's not good for the AFC North. It's not good for the division. Like Lamar Jackson being at the top of his game and his team rallying around him and him and the receivers and them just being able to be on the flow. That's not good. That's the buck.
Joe Halen
Joe, Joe, Joe, stop this. Stop this.
Co-host Joe
What's up, man?
Joe Halen
You are going to be a Hall of Fame player. I want you to talk to Mars ego right now,
Co-host Joe
all right? You want me talking about ego? If they don't give you the bag, Lamar, the way that you deserve, then you need to go ahead and you know what I'm saying? Then you might have to bounce out because you need you. Because look, you. You are who you are. That's a fact. So you know, Debo, I don't want to have to be negative, but that part is the ego part is Lamar, you that dog. And they need to give you 63, 65 million dollars a year on a five year deal, fully guaranteed, or you need to go ahead and bounce out that thing. There we go. How about that, Debo? Is that the.
Joe Halen
That don't. Get him out of there right now, Joe.
Co-host Joe
How you gonna.
Joe Halen
I need him to leave. Not finish the program so everybody else will leave.
Co-host Joe
See, I can't, man. That's not. I don't got it in me to just be out. No, I'm gonna leave that to you. I'm gonna leave that to you. I'm leave that to you, D. But I can't.
Joe Halen
I can't, bruh. Bruh. You know, I see. I see what type of person you is, boy. You ain't willing to do the dirty stuff that need to be done some. Hey, sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty.
Co-host Joe
Sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty.
Joe Halen
So hey, listen, this dirty, it's dirty. Stuff about the job that you gotta do. Joe, sometimes you gotta come down in there and you gotta fill in that gap.
Co-host Joe
You know what that means? My heart is pure. My heart is pure, Debo. That's all I could tell you legitimately. My heart is pure. Look at you. Look at you making that face when I'm talking about having a pure heart. That's how I can tell you.
Joe Halen
Ready to do some dirty work, Joe? Yo, I'm new. I'm new. I'm new to this.
Co-host Joe
You are.
Joe Halen
I'm trying to get pure. You know, you true. I'm like, I'm like a pig that like to. Like to roll around in the mud and then go get washed off. You know, I get dirty all the time. It feel good. It was. It was. It was a feeling that I was used to.
Co-host Joe
But I'm.
Joe Halen
Hey, I'm fighting for my life.
Co-host Joe
Every day
Joe Halen
I'm out here fighting for my life.
Co-host Joe
Hey, bro, you. You are the. You are the devil and the angel on each shoulder that is actually you, bro.
Joe Halen
I got one here, I got one here.
Co-host Joe
They be talking to it because I know you got so much good in you, but you got a lot of bad in you, too. I mean that with the most utmost respect. Oh, man.
Joe Halen
Let's go over here to Tampa, bro. Says Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski will have to figure out their beef. So after the Falcons names Stefanski, their new head coach, Baker accused Stefanski of treating him like a piece of garbage. Baker also said he can't wait to see him twice a year. Talbot said that they have to decide that on the field. He said, I think that's something that they have to figure out from the standpoint, from that standpoint, since we can't have a boxing match where they get to get in the ring with each other and knock each other out, you know, you know, we're going to back our guy Baker, and I'm sure they're going to back their coach as well. It's a division game, so it's already going to be tough fought, hard fought game. So it just adds to it. They're already, like you said, they're already division opponents and it's a rivalry. This obviously will add a little bit of fuel to the fire. Joe, is there any games where you were like, you know, I'm a circle this game on there, you know, and each year you're like, yeah, I can't wait to play this team or this coach or, you know, whatever it was on the schedule. And please don't say The Steelers.
Co-host Joe
See, why would I not say this? Look, I wanted to because I want.
Joe Halen
You were disappointed a lot. I think you were what, 3 and 11?
Co-host Joe
So that doesn't matter.
Joe Halen
I mean, that's kind of like Cleveland, you know, high.
Co-host Joe
I wanted to go against because it was. I wanted to go against a B. Because if you strap the best, then that lets people know that you are the best. And I wanted to be on that. I was playing one on one AB I knew what time it was, so I wanted to go against. Honestly, I wanted to go against AB Just to see where I was at. D line, please. Get there because you're gonna have me out here looking crazy if you don't. I can't cover him all day, but I'm gonna be. I can't cover all day, but I'm gonna be trying my hardest. So we had AB and then. I'm not gonna lie to you. I would look forward to A.J. green, Andy Dalton and A.J. green.
Joe Halen
That's more of a matchup. Y' all could. I got to win.
Co-host Joe
Yes, we was. We won more. We won more of those than we lost, I would think. And I had pretty good days. Andy would throw me some. You know what I'm saying? So those are the good times. So A.J. green and A.J. green and Antonio Brown, the Steelers and the Bengals, I was. I would circle those games because I was on my personal matchups. My thing was I couldn't score points. You know what I'm saying? I can make sure AB had under 50 and didn't score. I can make sure A.J. green had under 50 and didn't score. And that's what made me feel like I was doing my job. And every, like, time. What were the catches? Did they get in the end zone? Did they get third down completions? Did they move the chains? Did I lose on third down? Like, when my one on ones, I wanted to be win more, way more than I lost. So, like, those were just in my mindset. Like, it's gonna be what it's gonna be, Jody. Just don't make it be on you. If I got scored on by A.J. i felt like, damn, when we lose this game for sure, that's on my head. And when AB Scored, I'm like this, oh, yeah, we gonna lose for sure. That's what, like, I lost us the game in my mind. Like, oh, hell, if we mess around and win this game. Thank you, team. Like, y' all done looked out for me. Cause I let y' all down. Like, I got scored on. And now for sure we should. If we lose, I'm sitting there like this. No, I don't care what none of y' all say. Did y' all see when I got bombed up, like, the game was over? In my mind, we lost. Like, damn, Joe. I'm walking to the. Everybody looking like it's all good. I'm like, I know it's not, but you know what I'm saying? I appreciate it. That's on me. That's on me. It's all good, Joe. No, it ain't, man. We need to make sure they don't get no first downs. And I just got scored on. Game over.
Joe Halen
Hey, you fighting uphill battle, baby.
Co-host Joe
Fighting, fighting, bro. Under 50, if you get them. Under 30. Like, for real. For real. Under 30. But that under 50. Under. Under three catches, under 50 yards.
Joe Halen
Ooh, that's out of the zone.
Co-host Joe
Out of the zone. Out of the box, obviously was the best one. But just consistently under under 50, you was good.
Joe Halen
Okay? I'd agree with that. No touchdowns here.
Co-host Joe
Zero tutties, bro. If you touched on, you lost. You.
Joe Halen
Yeah, you can't give up no test, bro.
Co-host Joe
You can't even give up third down conversions. You. Damn, you starting to lose. Like, third and three, you give up a slant. Ah, you're looking crazy. Why did you do that? Like, no, that's your money right there.
Joe Halen
I'm gonna have to go look back at your Joe versus Ab stats, man.
Co-host Joe
Okay. No, I'm gonna. Yeah, I'm gonna go look back, too. If we had some battles.
Joe Halen
Less than. Less than 50. That's a. That's a hard one. That's a hard one. How many times y' all played by? 10,
Co-host Joe
eight, probably. Something like that.
Joe Halen
Something like that.
Co-host Joe
Yep. Yep. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get the come. I'm gonna. Gotta go look at the. Yeah, I'm gonna go look back at the combo comparison. The catches, the third downs. I'm gonna go watch them joints again. Cause now I got.
Joe Halen
I got somebody. Tell us what the numbers were.
Co-host Joe
Well, I know one thing. I remember the one joint he hit me on Thursday Night Football. Slip on the Comeback. I mean, no, not on the. On the back shoulder fade. Oh, my God. My goodness. I was looking sweet. We were in the all White in Pittsburgh, and he caught it, and my boys got hit. Hit
Joe Halen
all that white. That boy.
Co-host Joe
All that white on it, man. And it didn't even matter on that one because Slipped all up. Oh, bro, that was so. That was so bad. Ab Had a couple of good ones on me Thursday.
Joe Halen
Night, baby. Ain't nobody watching nothing else but football, too, man.
Co-host Joe
Watching me. And that's. But that look. That's when I came through. Hit your boy, Heath Miller.
Joe Halen
Fumb.
Co-host Joe
Fumble. Yeah, my boy.
Joe Halen
Oh, okay. Y' all won that game.
Co-host Joe
See, there we go. I'm trying to talk.
Joe Halen
I was asking the question.
Co-host Joe
Did I tell you that we got. I got scored on by Ab.
Joe Halen
I'm just asking a question.
Co-host Joe
What do you think? Yes. No, we did not win that game. I said that's the game.
Joe Halen
I got scored on. So offensive, Joe. I mean, I'm just ask. I can't even ask questions.
Co-host Joe
I'm about to say slap.
Joe Halen
Good Lord, man. I'm just asking questions. Goodness, man.
Co-host Joe
Like, I'm not. You're not listening to the contest clues. I told you.
Joe Halen
I'm sorry.
Co-host Joe
We lose if.
Joe Halen
Oh, he scored.
Co-host Joe
Okay, I got you scored. So you. What you think happened? We.
Joe Halen
When I heard the fumble, it made me think that you got the score back and you, like, returned the fumble for a touchdown.
Co-host Joe
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Joe Halen
Oh, okay, okay. I understand that. I got it. I got it now. Yeah. I. I can't say that I circled any games, to be honest with you. The fact that you actually showed up to the game was disrespectful to me, so that was motivation enough for me, I think.
Co-host Joe
I like that. I like that.
Joe Halen
Oh, yeah, yeah. You showed up. That mean you think you could beat me? Y' all actually came. You know what I'm saying? That was like. Oh, that's just.
Co-host Joe
That was.
Joe Halen
You know, that was in my mind. That was disrespectful to me. You should have just forfeited and went home and just gave us a win. Yeah, Yeah.
Co-host Joe
I mean, yeah, just having that mindset is right, but they. They also professionals. They got a job.
Joe Halen
Yeah, I don't. I don't care about that. I mean, that's. That was just my mindset. You actually showed up to the game. That was. That was enough. You know, like. Like, y'. All.
Co-host Joe
Y' all need to not even show.
Joe Halen
The closer it gets a game day, and then the closer you get the game time. Like, the coach ain't, like, come over and be like, hey, hey, listen. You don't want to play y' all boys, man. We won't. Like, you know, we sick or something. We. Everybody got the flu. Like, hey, let's get up out of here. So now we got to go out here. We got to put lights out.
Co-host Joe
You saying basically, like, we'll be to sleep. You basically Like y' all didn't watch enough film to see what I do. Okay. That's what you're saying?
Joe Halen
I'm just saying, like, I mean, they. They used to call it the Steelers defense. The. The 2008, seven, nine, all that 10, like, that deep, man. They used to call us Nyquil.
Co-host Joe
Yes. That's a fact.
Joe Halen
You going to sleep, Dave.
Co-host Joe
We all put everybody going to sleep around.
Joe Halen
Clark. You ain't even know you would put you to sleep. No, I put one to sleep in Miami. I.
Co-host Joe
Anybody putting yourself to sleep, I just know one thing. You know, because I saw my man Ryan Clark out there. He would put his own. You know, when you got to risk yourself to put yourself to sleep, Joe, I told.
Joe Halen
I told my dude, e came from New England. I think he played with an Ebron middle backer.
Co-host Joe
Yeah.
Joe Halen
He said. He said, hey, what you. You know what you be doing, man, that, you know, be putting people to sleep. I said, listen, I said, if you want to put somebody to sleep, you
Co-host Joe
gotta go to go to sleep. Exactly.
Joe Halen
I said, because sometimes you gonna sleep, you might go be the one that go to sleep. So you gotta be willing to go night night to put somebody.
Co-host Joe
Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's exactly how Debo. There it is. You gotta be willing to put yourself to sleep because you never know.
Joe Halen
Oh, man.
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James Debo Harrison
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
Date: April 7, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden
This episode brings the classic chemistry of NFL veterans James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden as they dissect the latest NFL rumors and storylines. The conversation covers Aaron Rodgers’ contract uncertainty, Shador Sanders vs. Deshaun Watson in Cleveland, Joe Burrow’s Olympic flag football ambitions, and Lamar Jackson reporting to off-season workouts. The duo’s banter blends insider perspective, humor, and poignant nostalgia, making for a lively, honest, and insightful football chat.
[05:19–09:59]
Memorable Moment:
[10:08–17:07]
Notable quote:
Deebo: “Last year’s price ain’t today’s price, buddy.” [21:41]
[22:43–28:46]
[28:46–35:28]
[35:34–47:05]
[49:42–54:16]
[56:44–58:59]
On Rodgers’ value:
Deebo: "If they put $56 million in front of Aaron, I don't believe he would turn that down. Hell, I wouldn't turn that down. And I don't even want to play!" [14:26]
On parenting as a coach:
Joe: "Honesty is the best policy... If my son isn’t [working hard], he’s not going to get [the job]." [06:16]
On Lamar’s participation:
Deebo: "As the face of that team, [Lamar] leading by example... doing what’s necessary to show he’s buying in." [37:39]
On rivalry and performance pressure:
Joe: "If you got scored on by A.J. [Green], I felt like, damn, we lose this game, that's for sure on my head.” [52:00]