Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers host QB prospect, Pittsburgh Draft Needs, Browns Culture Changing?

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

Episode Theme: Steelers Host QB Prospect, Pittsburgh Draft Needs, Browns Culture Changing?
Release Date: April 14, 2026
Host: Deebo Harrison & Joe Hayden
Notable Topics: Steelers QB search & draft priorities, Browns’ new defensive culture, the challenge of changing losing franchises

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Episode Overview

Deebo Harrison and Joe Hayden (former NFL stars) dig into the pre-draft activities of the Pittsburgh Steelers with an unfiltered, player’s-eye view. They debate the team’s real needs at quarterback and offensive line, break down recent quarterback visits, and comment on the Browns’ evolving culture. As always, their banter flows from personal anecdotes (including Deebo’s birthday) to sharp football analysis, with a focus on organizational strategy and roster building.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Birthday Vibes & Brotherhood

[04:31–06:21]

• The episode kicks off with Deebo celebrating his 37th birthday. Joe jokes about age and aches, sharing relatable, lighthearted banter.
• Deebo reflects on appreciating health and simple joys: “Honestly, bro, I woke up just blessed... You woke up, man. It's a blessing, ain’t it?” (Deebo Harrison, 06:44)
• They emphasize the warmth of family before segueing to football.

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2. Steelers’ Quarterback Search & Prospect Visits

[07:05–14:38]

• Discussion centers on Steelers hosting SEC QB Taylor Green, reportedly 6'6”, 227 lbs, with elite athleticism but questionable processing and turnover issues.

• Draft Philosophy:

  • Deebo prefers picking a QB later rather than forcing a pick at #21, arguing for thorough evaluation over “drafting for the hype.”
  • “If y’all don’t believe in Ty [Simpson], I’m not believing in Ty... we don’t have to waste our 21st pick.” (Deebo Harrison, 07:27)
  • Cautions against chasing combine darlings or media favorites—uses examples like Josh Rosen (picked before Lamar Jackson), Brock Purdy, Tom Brady.
  • “Study on these other dudes that nobody’s watching…he might just be a player on your team.” (Deebo, 07:27)

• On Taylor Green:

  • Joe is impressed by Green’s physical tools: “He run a 4.36... dude, he got a 43 and a half inch vertical...” (Joe Hayden, 11:07)
  • But expresses concern about “processing” and turnovers: “The biggest thing is 11 interceptions in 12 games…can’t really have that.” (Joe, 11:43)
  • Recognizes developmental upside if he lands in the right spot (day 2/3).

• Coaching/Development:

  • Both highlight belief in Coach Mike McCarthy’s ability to develop a raw QB: “If Mike McCarthy likes it, then I love it.” (Deebo, 13:00)
  • Reiterate importance of coaches building up the mental side of young QBs.

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3. Draft Priorities: Steelers’ Line, Identity, and Building Blocks

[20:06–26:15]

• Offensive Line as the Core Need:

  • Citing NFL.com’s draft analyses and their own assessment, both agree Steelers must focus on offensive tackle at #21.
  • “You can’t go wrong with that... those are the picks that are going to be there for 12 years and you’re not going to have to worry about it.” (Deebo, 22:21)
  • They note Broderick Jones’ health uncertainty and how that raises urgency for new talent.

• Team Identity:

  • Deebo emphasizes establishing a dominant run game and line: “If you get a dominant offensive lineman, you’re killing two birds with one stone.” (Deebo, 22:21)
  • Stresses controlling possession, supporting young QBs, and making the game easy.

• Classic Steelers Formula:

  • “Play great defense, control the clock... Offense, tote the rock, we got this young quarterback.” (Deebo, 24:24)
  • Joe adds how a dominant run game opens up play action and keeps the offense versatile.

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4. Steelers’ Running Backs & Offseason Grind

[27:55–31:00]

• Deebo and Joe discuss Steelers RB Jaylen Warren’s viral off-season workout—dragging a soccer goal post.
• Lighthearted debate over workout safety and effectiveness: “I feel like something could go wrong with this goal post, brother.” (Joe, 28:55)
• Praise Warren and Rico Dowdle, but circle back to the need for linemen: “What they need to do is get some linemen... to make sure there’s a little bit more open holes.” (Deebo, 30:39)

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5. Cleveland Browns: Culture Change & Coaching Energy

[31:22–46:40]

New Defensive Coordinator, New Energy?

• Joe quotes CB Tyson Campbell’s praise for new DC Mike Ruttenberg’s passion and camaraderie-building.
  • “He brings a lot of energy, a lot of passion, and that’s what you want out of your D coordinator.” (Joe quoting Campbell, 31:38)
• Deebo is cautiously optimistic, stressing that energy’s nice, but results and communication on defense matter most:
  • “None of this is going to matter... if dudes are running scot free on defense.” (Deebo, 36:18)
  • “Energy’s addictive... but now I’m like, when we get out to the field, we’ll see how the X’s and the O’s look.” (Deebo, 36:18)

Can the Browns Change Their Narrative?

• Joe references OC Todd Munchkin’s quote:

  • “There’s only one way to change the narrative of the Browns franchise, and that is winning. Winning changes everything.” (Joe, 38:18)

• Historical Perspective:

  • Notes Browns haven’t had a coach finish with a winning record since Marty Schottenheimer (1984-88). Reminisces over near-misses in the '80s.

• What Real Culture Change Takes:

  • Joe: “Consistency of winning back-to-back-to-back-to-back... [that] would change the narrative and the culture.” (Joe, 41:40)
  • Suggests 3 straight playoff runs with at least a game won would create a new standard.
  • Later admits, as an ex-Steeler, he hopes Browns “never, ever” reach that level.

• Building & Keeping Talent:

  • Deebo adds Browns must retain their own talent when it comes time to pay—don’t let core players walk in free agency:
    • “When you draft good and it’s time to pay them, you have to pay them... keeping your homegrown talent... [makes] you start to actually feel like a family.” (Deebo, 44:11)
  • Lauds Browns GM Andrew Berry for more recent improvements but recounts earlier years when promising players were lost.

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Notable Quotes

• Draft Wisdom:
  • “Not all of these dudes that you think are supposed to be, oh, he’s a Hall of Famer, first-round pick... he might be ass. You know what I’m saying? So study on these other dudes.” (Deebo, 07:27)
• QB Coach Faith:
  • “If Mike McCarthy likes it, then I love it.” (Deebo, 13:00)
• Team Building 101:
  • “You can’t go wrong with [offensive line]... those are the picks that are going to be there for 12 years and you’re not going to have to worry about it for a while.” (Deebo, 22:21)
• Culture Change Reality:
  • “There’s only one way to change the narrative of the Browns franchise, and that is winning. Winning changes everything.” (Joe quoting Munchkin, 38:18)
  • “The only way you truly can change that whole narrative is... back-to-back-to-back, now it’s just like, yo, this is what we do.” (Joe, 41:39)
  • “You have to keep these players. Like, you have building blocks. Keep your homegrown talent.” (Deebo, 44:11)

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Timestamps – Key Segments

• 04:31 – Deebo’s birthday moments & family
• 07:05 – Steelers QB prospect discussion (Taylor Green & Ty Simpson)
• 11:07 – Analyzing Taylor Green’s combine numbers
• 20:06 – Steelers’ offensive identity, line focus
• 22:21 – Offensive line as the “unsexy but foundation-building” pick
• 27:55 – RB Jaylen Warren’s workout, building run game
• 31:22 – Browns’ new DC, energy, and skepticism
• 38:18 – Changing the Browns’ narrative: only winning matters
• 41:39 – The formula for true culture change in Cleveland
• 44:11 – Importance of retaining homegrown talent

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Banter is energizing, often humorous, with deep player-driven insight.
• The tone is direct—honest evaluations, skepticism about “draft myths,” and tough love for their beloved franchises.
• Language remains authentic to locker room and athlete camaraderie, making for a lively listen.

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If You Missed the Episode...

• Deebo & Joe’s experience provides real-world context to Steelers’ draft strategy: patience at QB, investing in the line, trusting coaching development.
• The Browns segment is a masterclass in franchise culture—what's hype, what’s sustainable, and what actually moves the needle (and what gets in the way).
• Plenty of laughs, insider stories, and practical team-building wisdom for NFL fans who want more than hot takes.

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End of Episode Summary

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[Julian Edelman]

Come on.

[Deebo Harrison]

Come on, brother Debo. Thank you, my brother. You know we are here to be. Come on, man. We are here. It is a blessed day. My wife, she gave me the crown. She gave me the king. The king. Jody Satchel Jones. So the top is here. I'm excited. The crown's too big. I just wanted to put it on for a minute. But bless Deebo. It's my birthday. I'm 37 years old, bro. Woke up this morning, boy.

[Joe Hayden]

You only a year behind me.

[Deebo Harrison]

You're 47 years old. I'm 10 years behind you. So you know, you got me by a decade. It's not, not too bad, but you know, it is what it is. 37. Woke up this morning, my boy Joey and Jess back hurting, huh? Back, bro. Back hip. You know what I'm saying? Feel 37, but you know it is what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, boys.

[Deebo Harrison]

Woke up, gave me some love. Woke up. 6:45 singing Happy Birthday to me brother Just a blessed day. Just a blessed day.

[Joe Hayden]

What you doing? What you doing for the rest of the day after we get through here? What you doing, man? Did they bring you some breakfast or something, you know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Harrison]

They brought me some, bro. They brought me some breakfast. They bought me some scrambled eggs. They brought me some sausage. They bought me some toast. Wife brought me some coffee. You know what I'm saying? Breakfast in bed. It was amazing. But honestly, Deebo, for real, the older I get, I remember, I just was in Miami. So me and my brothers, we did a little trip. Me, my brothers, a lot of my good friends, like four of the homies, we went out there chilled, had a blast, actually. Me, Josh, Jordan, my brother, three of my brothers and two of my boys went out there, had a good little time on Miami, vibed up. So now I need peace. I'm chilling. My boys went to school. Me and my wife, we're gonna probably go get some lunch, just hang out, you know what I'm saying? Just vibe up.

[Joe Hayden]

All right. Yeah, that's. That's. That's a good thing, you know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Harrison]

That's.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, you know, once you. You know, you start to. You start to mature and realize, you know, ain't no. Ain't no prize in the bottom of that bag. That bottle rather, you know, ain't none.

[Deebo Harrison]

Ain't none. I might. Look, I might have. It. Might have a thing. Might have a drink or. Might have a drink, though, not. Nothing crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

Might have a drink or five.

[Deebo Harrison]

Might have a drink or two or three, but, you know, nothing crazy. Just a good.

[Joe Hayden]

Nothing crazy. I'm.

[Deebo Harrison]

I. I'm. Honestly, bro, I woke up just blessed Debo health. You can't help.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you woke up, man.

[Deebo Harrison]

Come on, man. You woke up. It's a blessing, ain't it?

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Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Another day, and now we get to talk that ball. Talk that good man still is, baby.

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They.

[Joe Hayden]

Horse, they. They hosted one of the SEC quarterbacks. I guess it's. What's his name? Taylor Green. Yeah, he visited yesterday. The Steelers are also linked with Alabama's Ty Simpson, although they would not likely get him at 21. I don't think we would grab him if he was at 21. Anyway. What do you think?

[Deebo Harrison]

This way. I think they're doing their due diligence. They're doing what teams do. They know that we probably need a quarterback, and if Will Howard and them aren't the guy you study up on, all of the dudes you know what I'm saying? If we're not going to have Ty Simpson, we're not all the way fully invested in them later draft picks. That's where you find some of the really good players, you know what I'm saying? Like, end of the day, if we're not fully vested in Ty Simpson and we not think he's going to be there at 21, we're not going to go chase him at 21. We're going to go get the best player. What we need, offensive line, defensive tackle, something that's going to help our team because that's an instant starting spot that we could get. There's going to be great value at that position where I'm like, if y' all don't believe in Ty, I'm not believing in Ty, so why not? We don't have to waste our 21st pick on him. Let somebody else take the chance. Josh Rosen. People Keep forgetting in 2018, Josh Rosen went 10th overall before Lamar Jackson. Nobody says none of that. 22 picks later, they pick Lamar. So Brock Pie went in the sixth round. Tom Brady, you know what I'm saying? Went to six Brown. Do your due diligence, study these quarterbacks because not all of these dudes that you think are supposed to be, oh, he's a Hall of Famer, first round pick, go ahead and get him. He might be ass, you know what I'm saying? So study on these other dudes that nobody's watching, nobody's really thinking about, and he messed around to be really good. And he just be a player on your team, like Will Howard, we got him in the fifth, we still haven't been able to see what he got. They obviously studied his tape. They obviously, he got drafted to the NFL. He just hasn't had a chance to go out there and show it to. So with them bringing in these other quarterbacks, oh, he's projected to be a second day, third day guy. Smart, smart, because you may find a diamond in the rough in one of these later quarterbacks that just aren't as high in college. Just didn't put up the numbers that everybody else did. But the dude is a baller, you know what I'm saying? He knows how to read football, you know what I'm saying? Like Josh Allen, he wasn't. He could have went. Baker Mayfield went first, then Sam Darnold went, then Josh, then Josh Rosen, then Josh Allen, and then 32, they pick Lamar Jackson. So I'm like, all of these analysts, like you could say, oh, no, he's going to be great. I'm not rocking with Ty. Somebody else might. He might end up being good. But later on, nobody's going to be like, oh, no, nobody. Do you remember that when Ty Simpson, y' all was saying he was going to be amazing and he wasn't. Can he pick it? Love him to death. We picked him in the first round. Ty Simpson short. He's six foot. Like, go ahead, guys. Y' all got it. I'm cool. I'm loving that they're studying, doing their homework on all the other quarterbacks. But because we got 12 picks, like, we can get one of these dudes in the fourth or the fifth, like, if y' all thinking that he's good, boom, we got a spot. Take him. We don't have to waste 21 to go get Ty. We still got Will. Mason Rudolph went third round that draft and we. Josh Rosen went 10. Mason Rudolph went third round. He's still in the league. We still got him on our team. That's called. They did their due diligence, they did their homework. Mason Rudolph wasn't too high on everybody else's, but we still got him in the third. Still a solid quarterback, trying to figure out his way back up. But he's on the roster. He's able to win games. You know what I'm saying? So I'm looking at it like, do your homework, Steelers. I'm loving what you're doing. You studying, you're figuring out like, we might need to get a quarterback. If we do need a quarterback, then we don't have to get in the first round.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not about if we need a quarterback. It's about when we go need quarterback. We're going to need a quarterback. We need a quarterback.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's what it comes down to.

[Joe Hayden]

But, but checking out the Taylor Green Calf, the Arkansas quarterback, bro. I started looking at him yesterday once I did a little bit of research, man, okay. And saw like, like, I'm like looking at this, man. This could be interesting, dude, depending on where he's at in the draft. He like 6, 6, almost 227. So you might as well say 230. He run a 4, 3, 6. Might as well say 4, 3, 5. Dude, he got a 43 and a half inch vertical joe, like the numbers. It's like the blueprint of what I was go do when I went to the combine, brother.

[Deebo Harrison]

Besides the six, six for show.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, Take away six, take away that.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Take away, take away five and three quarter inch or something. Like that. You know what I'm saying? Everything else other than that, man, it

[Deebo Harrison]

was the, it was, it was the

[Joe Hayden]

blueprint of what I was gonna do.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

And then when you look at it, you know, he got. He got some inconsistencies. You know, he misses on, like, routine throws, like, a little bit, along with his processing of information, all that, he's slow, so he doesn't anticipate throws, which means, you know, sometimes he's holding the ball too long, he's getting more. And then the biggest thing is 11 interceptions in 12 games. You know, you can't. Can't really have that.

[Deebo Harrison]

But again, like, this is Taylor Green.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, dude. That, that, that who they had at the facility on Monday. And, you know, if he's able to deal with a lot of that stuff, especially like the, the processing, if he's able to start processing faster, then you can anticipate throws. That. That cuts down on interceptions. That cuts down on timing of you being late, you know, getting. Getting the ball out there. And even with all that said, like. Like I'm depending on where he's at, if he's a day three guy, like, maybe even the day two, depending on where it's at, you know what I'm saying? Like, that could be something that we could actually go and be like, hey, maybe we can pick him up because he got a strong arm. Dude. Bro, when I'm looking to rock, bro,

[Deebo Harrison]

when I'm looking at this Debo, it's just. It gives me. It makes me happy because they're doing research, you know what I'm saying? They're not just going out and the same thing. Like you said, he threw those picks. McCarthy is a. He's supposed to be the quarterback guru. He's supposed to be bringing in young quarterbacks. And if he likes them, then I like him. So I'm like, you like Will? I like will. Mike McCarthy, you are the coach. You are being able to pull all of the strings. So when I'm looking at this, I'm thinking that if we're looking at him, if Mike McCarthy likes it, then I love it. You know what I'm saying? Because you're going to be the one that's dealing with these quarterbacks. If you don't think you got what we need in the room, go study these guys coming out. Ty Simpson, if you don't think we need him. At 21, I'm really rocking with the Steelers organization and trying to get to what they need. And then I just going out, outreach and stuff.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, this brings me back to what he was saying in this conference. He was like, yeah, at the right spot. Like, hey, this might be the cat they were thinking about. Like, yo, at the. If he's at the right spot, like, we will go get him. Because big arm, he's fast, he's explosive. When you look at it, the big thing is his processing. If you pick up his processing, if somebody can coach him to read faster, react faster, he can anticipate these throws get better, lower the interceptions, everything else. And you don't need him to come in and do it. Right now, all you need is coaches that can develop me or a coach. Coaches, coach. If that's the case, yeah, I like

[Deebo Harrison]

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[Deebo Harrison]

Because you're not asking to come in here and be Patrick Mahomes. You're not asking this quarterback to come in here to be the MVP of the league. Steady the ship. Know what the hell's going on. Know where you need to be, Know where you had to hand the ball off. Know these spots, then receivers, we gotta be in these spots. You know what I'm saying? Like everybody. I just think the accountability of it when you got a young quarterback, he gotta be accountable to know what he's doing. And everybody else gotta be held accountable to know exactly what they doing. So I think it all will work together.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Dude, he. Bro, I couldn't believe his numbers, bro. Like, you talking about, like fast dude, like in too wet. Like, I think a lot of the reason why he's like so has difficulty processing is like he's just going through it and he's like, I'm fast. I can get up out of here. So if I don't see nothing there, he just. He just go to take off or move around the pocket and, you know, I don't know.

[Deebo Harrison]

I want to see. I'm. I'm just excited because end of the day, we know when Mike McCarthy's coming here. We need to start scoring points on offense and just identity. We got the running. We got. I'm looking at. We need to get some line. We getting the running backs, we got the strong receivers, we got the tight ends. So we just got to establish our identity once we be able to start running the ball. Mike McCarthy being able to, like I said, not making our quarterback do everything. You're just not out there. Don't be effing it up. Don't lose the game, coach. You know what I'm saying? So keeping them ahead of the sticks, having them legitimate. Jalen having Riddle, all them dudes toting the Brock. So.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah. You talking about Rico. Rico, Rico. Rico. NFL.com they did a draft thing on what teams need the most, and I guess they said the Steelers. Omar Khan should direct his attention towards the blocking unit, especially if he'd like to maximize a backfield. That includes Jalen Waddle. What? We got Waddle?

[Deebo Harrison]

No, that's Jalen Warren.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh. About to say. Yeah, they've got Jason Wall, Jayla Jalen, Rico doll. Who is. Who is Caleb Johnson?

[Deebo Harrison]

I think that was our young running, young running back that we had. That was kind of hurt. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

See whoever. Whoever said this there. So the position I'm targeting, he said is Offensive tackle. Yes. Where Broderick Jones isn't seeing it into his job on the left side. You know he got hurt too. But bring in some competition and further raise the standard up front. It might be especially necessary once the Steelers are forced to turn around a younger quarterback after 2026 to turn to a young quarterback. What do you think Joe? That's our first go to is the tackle.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes. I, I, I mean it's offensive line or it's defensive line. That's what I think.

[Joe Hayden]

We already got defensive line. We went and got, we got, we got our middle, we got a little, we got, we got a, got a piece right there for us right now. We, we got Sebastian for sure.

[Deebo Harrison]

For sure. But yes. So my thing is I always want us to. You can't never establish too much dominance. But I would love first case scenario offensive line 1000% because you can't go wrong with that like Pouncey the Castro. When you get those dudes, they're not the pretty. Like you want to say they're not the prettiest picks, but those are the picks that are going to be there for 12 years and you're not going to have to worry about it for a while. So it might be not the prettiest when you get it, but if you, when you get the good ones, you're going to be set for a long time. And there's never like I love the, it's having, having it around the 21. You can get maybe one that can move from guard to tackle, have, have a, having a swing guard, that's you, whatever hole you need, he can fill it. You know what I'm saying? So just front line being able to protect the quarterback that we going to have and being able to run the ball like if you get a dominant offensive lineman, you're killing two birds with one stone. You know what I'm saying? So with the Steelers with it being a little like I like our skill position players, I love what we got. I think the only thing we could do right now is really establish that line of scrimmage and the more better offensive linemen we get, the more push just the easier it's going to be for whoever quarterback it is that's going to be behind this offensive line and the running backs is going to be getting it. So offensive line for me is just, it's not pretty but we got a lot of, we got, we got the people that, the skill positions, we got that covered. We just need some dogs that can really just establish that line of scrimmage and be able to protect the quarterback.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I'm 100% with you right there. I think with the uncertainty of Roderick Jones and his ability to be able to come back this year, or, you know, if he's able to come back at all because of the injury that he had last season, that's a. That's another, you know, big concern. But to solidify the offensive line and make it so that the money that we done spent, we can actually use the guys that we done spent the money on and be effective at it. We need to. We need to beef up. We need to beef up the offensive line, brother.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes. Cause those dudes, they are better when the offensive line is better. Like your receivers, you need your quarterback to be protected. You're going to need time. So if, no matter what, if DK out there and whoever quarterback's getting hit upside the head is not having time to throw the ball, it's not going to look as good. So run, run, run line, establish it. Making the single high. If we sitting there too high, we can't run the ball now. It doesn't matter. Nobody's going to be open. They sitting back there covered both safeties over the top because we can't run the ball because somebody's getting beat in the middle. Losing the one on ones like, no, it needs to be first and ten to second and second and four. You know what I'm saying? Second and three running for seven. If you got too high, you're tripping. You got to put one down in there. And now Pittman, dk. Now work on them. We got one on ones outside. Now it's time to work. And that makes it so much easier. Like, it doesn't have to be a difficult game for the Steelers. Play great defense, control the clock. Like, when I was listening to Heath, I was like, yeah. I mean, I was like, yes, Miller. I was like, yes. You sound exactly like what the Steelers need to do now. What Big Ben came into. Like, end of the day, it sounds easy, but yes, we're trying to get that established defense. Don't give up the points. You know what I'm saying? Like, we have the ballers out there. We're making the most money in the league. Let's show it. I'm not saying y' all can't do it, but every time there shouldn't just be people running scot free. No, y' all make plays. No bust. We're too professional. We're grown men out here. Everybody be accountable for your job and we can have an elite defense, legit. Boom. Offense, tote the rock. We got this young quarterback, or it's a rod, whoever it is, we're running the ball, we're scoring touchdowns, toting it down their throat. There's nothing they can do.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, you get the benefit of having an actual, you know, offensive line that can be very good to dominant in the run game and run blocking, even if they aren't the greatest at pass blocking, but they are great at run blocking. That's going to open up everything because like you said, you got to bring down that safety. Now you got the eight and the nine. Now you hit them with the play action pass. You don't care. You ain't got to really care about nothing because they're not pinning their ears back on second and three on, on, you know, third and one. They're looking for. They look now go and hit them over their head, same thing. The play action now comes into effect. Now you can get in situations where, hell, it's first down. You've been running on first down every play for the last, you know, three, four series, five series, whatever it may be. And now on this first down, you play action them and hit them for 30, 40 yards over the top thousand percent. Now. Yeah. Offensive line, huge, big has to be. Especially if we want to run the ball effectively and be in the top. I want to be like in the top like three to five in the run game, brother.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's the way you establish your dominance, control the clock. You not people. Not out there all the time. Defense is taking a breather. You go out there, get a quick three and out. Offense going to hold the ball seven minutes, march that jump down, get some points. Now you get, you get two, three and outs. It's, it's down at halftime.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? Like you just, you sitting on the ball. Not in the back.

[Joe Hayden]

Six minutes. Couple, couple six minute drive.

[Deebo Harrison]

Come on, bro. Couple six minute drives is halftime. You up 14, you up 14, zero. Everybody's chilling. That's the kind of games that we want to have.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, listen, bro, speaking of running the ball. Oh, still is running back Jaylen Warren. He's. He's training by. I don't even know. What is this, a ghost? Dude, look, he.

[Deebo Harrison]

What you got going on? He doing one of the wild workouts. Oh, max. See, I mean it, you know, he, he's working.

[Joe Hayden]

I understand he's working, but like you

[Deebo Harrison]

said, you know what, Debo, you saying you could get it done on the sled it's just like the sled. How much that weighs?

[Joe Hayden]

200.

[Deebo Harrison]

You could put that same thing. You could put 200. You could put 200 pound Jones on the sled, and you feel like you're doing the same thing. But I see he's outside working with the elements. He might not have a sled. He just flipped over the goal post, you know what I'm saying? He gonna get it in. He's just letting us know he gonna get it in regardless. But I feel you. It's too. If it's 200 pounds, you're pulling 200. But he's working. I'm not. I'd love to see it.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't gonna lie, man. I don't know. That feel like. I feel like. I feel like something could go wrong with this goal post, brother.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay. No, okay. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. Like, it just. It just don't look like it's the safest thing. Plus, you see how he, like, starts off slow to make sure it ain't gonna do something. You know what I'm saying? Like, you hit that sled, you know what I'm saying? You get up out of there and you could pull more. You could. You could load a sled up. Dude, I had one sled loaded up, almost £2,000.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Yep. It's.

[Joe Hayden]

It's a lot. It's a lot safer act, you know, I like to. I like to work, though, like you said. I like to work.

[Deebo Harrison]

I like to work. I'm here for. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Working.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm here for.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, listen. I understand where it's at. I understand where it's at. It was easier for him to just use the goal post than it was because he would have to bring all.

[Deebo Harrison]

He had to bring all that weights, all that reel it all out that he's at a soccer field. All you gotta do is join over. I'm using what I got.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm hoping he got permission from them folks because, you know, they go. They gonna be like, yo, you don't scrap the dark goal post, man. See, we're gonna need you to do something about that, man. You done messed up a field and all that, buddy.

[Deebo Harrison]

See the way. I think, hopefully they. Hopefully they still his fans. Hopefully he got prior, you know what I'm saying? You know, before he goes, he's actually. Oh, yeah. He got permission to pay if I come? Got permission? Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, hopefully.

[Deebo Harrison]

Hopefully.

[Joe Hayden]

If not, you might. You might have to. You might have to go ahead and get him get him a new little goal post.

[Deebo Harrison]

Gotta pay for a goal post. Look, I ain't gonna lie to you, though. What's gonna help him, we talking. While we talking about him, he's gonna be toting that rock, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's all I know. He gonna be toting that rock, Rico. Donald gonna be toting that rock. So what they need to do is get some linemen like we were talking about to make sure there's a little bit more open holes so as soon as they get it, they ain't gotta make the first man miss. And now we just trying to get the two. No, we need you to get to the backers. We need you to get there. We need you to have four yards before you get touched. Now get busy.

[Joe Hayden]

Ooh, that's ugly. That. That.

[Deebo Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? That's. That's what you get.

[Joe Hayden]

Like that. They gonna be putting 10 in the box, baby.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's what I'm saying. Now we got zero blitz.

[Joe Hayden]

Putting 10 in the box. It's gonna be.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's the goal. That's the goal. That's what I'm looking forward to. Like, if you want to establish dominance, that's what you gotta do.

[Joe Hayden]

Going over here to your Brownies, man.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

So the Browns may not miss your guy Jim Schwartz as much as the fans expect, I guess. Your starting quarterback.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, mama. Good man, Tyson.

[Joe Hayden]

Tyson. Campbell says Browns are in good hands with Mike Ruttenberg. Run off the rip. He brings a lot of energy, a lot of passion, and that's what you want out of your D coordinator, a guy that brings a lot of energy and passion to the group and all about team camaraderie. 11 guys playing as one on the field and rooting for each other. And rooting for each other. Braces. You bring in that type of positive energy in the room. It's so addictive. Yeah. What. What. What this mean? They. They about to. They about to take off. They feel like they done got the. They done. They done. They. They done made. Made friends, and they got this. This nice camaraderie going on, and they all bought in, and it. I mean, defense was already good. Because what you get from this, Joe, I'm.

[Deebo Harrison]

You know, he's doing what I would expect, you know what I'm saying? You got a new defensive coordinator in, and if he is giving you the juice, you gonna say yes. Okay. Boom. I'm feeling the vibes. It is what it is. He's wants everybody.

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[Deebo Harrison]

He's bringing this energy. Cause obviously Jim Schwartz not being there, that's a big thing. Defense was great. He's gone. So they like this. Why would y' all get rid of a good thing already? He wanted to be the head coach. It's a whole situation going on. So as my man Tyson speaking, he's gonna be our new corner, starting corner. He's letting them know I like the vibes. He's coming in with the energy. That's just what you're supposed to say, you know. So obviously I'm just hoping when we get on the field, the communication, the flying around and he's saying like everybody, I think that's meaning, like, you know, you want dudes to be. When you see a dude make a play, just be happy for your teammates, all that stuff, the normal things that DB that coaches say. But for Tyson, I just think he's just trying to keep the ship cool. Like, yes, we are rocking with the coach. He's bringing the energy, he's bringing the vibes. But like I said, the only thing that's going to matter is if dudes are running scot free on defense. None of this is going to matter. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, he's meeting the deco. Oh, he's giving us good vibes. Okay. All right. Hope the plays are good. Hopefully the communication is right because we'll, we'll be able to judge it from the field. But right now, when he meets the coach, when you see him, he can just give him what he knows. And I appreciate him for being like, yeah, boom Fives was good, solid. He's about team. He's about flying around. Good. We'll be able to really judge what it's looking like and if dudes are running wide open or not. If y' all are really still top defense like Jim Schwartz was, do you see people running around? Is the communication. Is it now? Y' all just getting beat, you know what I'm saying? So we'll be able to get to the tape then. But what he's saying right now is just. Yes, energy's addictive when you have a good coach that's come through hype, you know what I'm saying? Some people feed off it, some people don't. You are more like, it don't matter. I just need you to let me know what I'm doing and where I'm going. With Tyson, he's like, I could like a coach like that just with the vibes. Some dude. Doesn't matter. Either way, I'm going. Just make sure. Make sure you let me know what I'm doing and when I'm doing it. I don't care about what your vibes are. You know what I'm saying? So it's just his opinion. But now I'm like, when we get out to the field, we'll see how the X's and those look. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. I ain't really got nothing really to add to that one, buddy. Yeah, you said enough of it. Like, but your boy Todd Munger said there's only one way to change the narrative of the Browns franchise, baby, and that is winning. Winning changes everything. He said winning changes everything. Right? I told coaches the other day. Right. Okay. Or play well. How do we play? How. How does a player stop the narrative? Play well. How do we stop the narrative on offense? Score. How do we stop the narrative of winning when changing. Change the narrative, become that. That is what we have to do. It's real simple, Joe.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Hasn't had a head coach that finished his tenure with a winning record since old Marty Schottenheimer in 1989. 88.

[Deebo Harrison]

84. 88.

[Joe Hayden]

He went from 84 to 88. That's before you was born, Joe. You know what's so crazy? Joe is 80. I want to say 86. That's crazy. 86 and 87. It was. Denver lost to him. AFC championship game, back to back years. I remember that. How the hell do I remember that? Yeah. I wasn't even born then. That's crazy. But I remember that, Joe, because I'm 30. I'm 30. I'm 37 like you.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, 47.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, but I remember that, Joe. And, and that was like that. Dang. That was crazy. But anyway, do you think the. The winning is going to.

[Deebo Harrison]

What? What do you think, Debo? What do you think about what my. What my coach said for my good Browns? Now what you think about what Todd Mocha just said?

[Joe Hayden]

Now listen, now, listen now. Winning. Winning.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Winning changes everything.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's what.

[Joe Hayden]

Hold on, Joe. Okay, hold up, hold up, Joe.

[Deebo Harrison]

All right, keep going, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

But winning at the Browns isn't the same as winning somewhere else, because, see, Kevin Stefanski, he won in 20, 20, 11, five, went one on one in the playoffs, barely lost to Kansas City, as Jarvis had told us just recently. And then in 23, it was 11, six made the playoffs. Yeah, but ain't win that time. Got dog walked by Houston. So I'm not going to say winning for the Cleveland Browns is going to 2, 2 to change it all. I'm going to say, now, if I was a Cleveland fan, let me revert back to, like, 87.

[Deebo Harrison]

Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

Come on. There we go. Get, get, get with me. Get with me real quick.

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[Deebo Harrison]

Stand with me. 87. 87.

[Joe Hayden]

Because when I was a child, as I. When I thought as a child, and I reasoned as a child, this is what I think has to change for the whole culture of the Browns to change.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Consistency of winning back to back to back to back to back. Okay. Okay. Now, if by some miracle the Browns would be able to, say, do three in a row playoff runs where they were to win at least one game, one playoff game each of those three years, and at some point during that run, they would only have to make it to the AFC title. Just an appearance. I ain't saying they got to win it. Just an appearance. I believe that would change the narrative and the culture because now it's actively being changed with the players who are coming in with the players who are there, and the players who are used to the old getting their face kicked in are being pushed out now. So if you were able to get, say, three consecutive playoff appearances, you got three years of guys that came in now that don't know what it's like to not make the playoffs, don't know what it's like to not win. You building a culture. They're seeing and they're coming through and building that into, oh, we are the Cleveland Browns and we go to the playoffs, we win playoff games, we fight to have a chance to go for a Lombardi. I believe that's the only way you truly can change that whole narrative is you're starting with guys coming in and they're being shown and it's being pushed through and you're actually putting the work out there. You're getting the wins, you're in the playoffs, you're pushing through the playoffs. But it has to be back to. Back to. Back to where? Now it's just like, yo, this is what we do.

[Deebo Harrison]

This is what we do.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what we do.

[Deebo Harrison]

What we do.

[Joe Hayden]

But let me tell you this right now. I was saying that as a Browns fan, but in all transparency, okay, I want you to know I hope the Browns never, never, never, never, never, never, ever get there.

[Deebo Harrison]

I hear what you said, but I'm going to take for what you said at the first part, and that's what you meant. That's your 87 Browns fan.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, okay.

[Deebo Harrison]

And I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take that.

[Joe Hayden]

When I was eight, nine years old,

[Deebo Harrison]

when you were, when you were a child. Okay, Whatever you say. This what I'm gonna say. Debo, I think the Browns, what he said, winning for sure. But you have to have consistency of keeping your players, resigning your good players, not letting your guys just walk out of there. Because when you draft good and it's time to pay them, you have to pay them because they're going to go be good somewhere else. Like, this is homegrown talent. And when you see the other players that you ended up drafting, they see, man, when you actually, like, perform here, they treat in house, like, in house, and it makes you start to actually feel. Not like, feel like a family, but like you said, when you play with a group of dudes for seven years, eight years, you got those contracts together, you went to their weddings. You actually, like, spend time with them during the off seasons. It's not just like when you come to a team, it's a new set of dudes. It's like my core guys. I've been kicking it with these dudes for years. We actually do love each other. We actually do have a bond and a relationship and a friendship. So I would say they got to start with when I was there, they let go me, TJ Ward, Tashawn Gibson, bust the screen players that ended up having to leave, you could have resigned them for a little bit of money. Like, nothing crazy. They went out to free agency and signed regular contracts. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have to keep these players like you have building blocks. You're starting two corners, you're starting two safeties. Re sign them if they're in their Pro bowl players. Not like you just you drafted a ballerina because you drafted them like you do that. So keep your homegrown talent. I would say if you do that, that's the biggest, that's not the biggest thing, but that's something where that's going to help your team start being together and then that's when these dudes start winning. You have draft classes on top of each other that are staying there and are balling and seeing what's going on. They start to learn from the vets that were been there and seeing the change and the changes that's happening. So what you're saying is exactly right. But for me too, I'm just like the consistency of keeping your players, resigning your homegrown talent, not feeling like you need to get them for cheap. No, sign them, keep them because they did. You drafted them to be what they ended up being. Now it's time to get paid. So pay em. Keep your crew, keep your team together as long as you can for the good ones. So I would think that was my main thing, I would say with the Browns. Cause if you do that, then that's when your teams are starting to like really. They win together, they go through stuff together. So I know you got high praise

[Joe Hayden]

for Andrew Barry right now or at least a higher level of praise. Do you think he's a guy that would be smart enough or, or, or foresee him being able to be like, yo, I see these guys work well together and just, and just keeping that group together and doing what's necessary to make sure they keep that, that bond. If, if you guys were able to stack, stack, stack.

[Deebo Harrison]

You know what happened with me was when we did, when the, I think they started doing it when the first they kind of got rid of everybody. I was the last one to fall. And then they started getting talent. They did get Jarvis Landry, they got Odell Beckham Jr. They had Nick Chubb, they had my man Chief, the tight end. You know what I'm saying? They had players. Baker Mayfield was the quarterback and that was when they took the big swing of signing for 250. So I'm not saying he's trying to. When that was happening, I'm like, okay, you're bringing talent, you're bringing talent on. That's cool. I just would have wished there if they would have kept Baker Mayfield signed the 400 instead of getting the 250. But hindsight is 2020 at that time DeSean Watson was a baller. If he would have came to the team and been the desean Watson. Now I'm looking at the Browns like, okay, y' all are trying to move in the right direction, bringing in talent, bringing in players. So that wasn't that. That when they let me go, I started looking at them like, okay, Andrew Berry, you're actually not. You're bringing in ballers. If you did think I was a little bit older, time to take a pay cut. That's your decision. It's wrong in my opinion. But you're bringing in players. You drafted Denzel Ward after that. Oh, my goodness, that's perfect. That dude has been five time Pro Bowler. He's amazing. He's still there. Miles Garrett is still there. The great ones that they have, they still got him there. Joe Bentonio, the lineman, he just left. But like they started doing. I don't know, I think now he. Joe Batonio, what they hit with me with like, maybe. I don't know. Now we gotta get some new, younger blood. You know what I'm saying? I love you to death, Joe. That's probably what. That's probably what Andrew's on. But I'm not mad at him now because I'm looking at it like, okay, I'm at least saying that you're trying to bring talent now. Let's see if we can keep the talent. Judkins, the new running back. We got the tight end. Like, let's see how this goes the. This draft. Bring in some more ballers. We got Shador. I like them. Give him some help on the outside. Let's see if we actually do have a quarterback here. You know what I'm saying? So I'm liking the talent. Just keep. Let's. Let's see what's going to happen. So I'm not mad at it, but that's kind of how I'm feeling.

[Joe Hayden]

But again, again, I don't. I don't see.

[Deebo Harrison]

And 87 Debo. 87 Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. All right, let's. No. Hell no. You know what, man? I'll let you. I'll let you have it. Let's go. All right, let's. Let's see the Browns do something. You know, you know, you know that's your birthday gift. I'm actually go be like, okay, the Browns could do something.

[Deebo Harrison]

Maybe this is the thing too. We got. We still got time. We don't have to say that. It's going to be terrible right now. We still got the draft. We got OTAs. We got training camp, they got to do it on the field, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to be blind to, like, oh, no, like Brown. Just, you got to go out there and hoop. I'm going to say, if Shador's balling, if he's not looking like he's supposed to, when we get the draft, who did we bring in? Are these going to be good pieces, you know what I'm saying? So we still got time, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm optimistic.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Okay. I'm going to be, I'm going to be optimistic just for the day, because it's your birthday.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm be optimistic with you. You know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Harrison]

Thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Ain't no problem, baby. Ain't no problem.

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