Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers NFLPA Report Card Grade + Ty Simpson to Pittsburgh?

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

Episode Title: Steelers NFLPA Report Card Grade + Ty Simpson to Pittsburgh?
Date: February 27, 2026
Host: James “Deebo” Harrison
Guest/Co-host: Joe Haden

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Overview

This episode features former Steelers James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden in a candid, high-energy discussion on the fallout from the recent NFLPA team report cards — with the Pittsburgh Steelers receiving particularly scathing grades for their facilities, locker room, and organizational investment. The duo also delves into quarterback rumors surrounding the Steelers, including speculation about Alabama’s Ty Simpson and their thoughts on Will Howard, evaluating the team’s quarterback strategy and needs.

Woven throughout are comedic moments about Joe’s harrowing travel experience in Mexico and serious commentary on the state of the NFLPA’s leadership and transparency. Both hosts blend unfiltered takes with insider knowledge and humor, making this a must-listen for football fans and advocates of player empowerment.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Joe Haden’s Wild Trip to Mexico

Timestamps: 02:39 – 15:38

• Haden recounts a recent chaotic golf trip to Cabo, Mexico: He highlights the sudden cartel activity, chaotic airport scenes, and being stuck after his return flight is disrupted.
• Relief at returning home: Haden jokes about missing everything from American soil to fast food.
• Comedic moments: Deebo reveals his plan to "replace" Joe if he didn’t hear from him—going so far as to have “extraction team three” on standby and concept art of Joe Burrow as a podcast stand-in.
  • Quote:

    “I got extraction team three ready on standby. You know what I’m talking about?” – Deebo (10:31)

• Haden speaks on how travel can make you feel helpless, especially with language barriers and unpredictable situations.
  • Quote:

    “After that situation… feeling of helplessness… and you don’t know the language… I just feel compromised.” – Joe Haden (13:34)

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2. Steelers’ Scathing NFLPA Report Card

Timestamps: 15:38 – 24:18

• Facility & locker room issues: Pittsburgh ranks at the bottom in nearly every category, with specifics like only five bathroom stalls for the entire team and failing (“F-minus”) grades for the field and locker rooms.
  • Quote:

    “Steelers—worse this year… locker room as a F minus… players reported having only five bathroom stalls for the entire team… Owners ranked last in willingness to invest in the facilities… Lowest ranked home field due to high school and college use leading to poor field conditions…” – Deebo (15:38)

• Training and coaching critiques:
  • Strength coaches also received the lowest grades. Haden is surprised, saying his experience was positive and coaches tried to cater to each player's needs.
  • Deebo goes deep into the science of strength training, emphasizing the need for tailored regimens to prevent injuries.
  • Quote:

    “A great strength coach is going to make his program to fit each person… If you get a 10% imbalance in between muscles…it ups the risk of injury.” – Deebo (24:18)

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3. The State of the NFLPA: Leadership, Transparency, and Player Power

Timestamps: 27:29 – 47:43

• Critique of NFLPA leaks and leadership:
  • Discussion of the 2026 NFLPA report card leak and its fallout.
  • Deebo is sharply critical of the current NFLPA leadership, arguing that processes have become less transparent since Gene Upshaw’s passing.
  • Voting for key positions and agreements is now limited to only 32 player reps, not the entire player body, making the system easy to manipulate.
  • Quote:

    “They changed that. So now only the 32 player representatives get to actually make the vote… they don’t have to bring it to the players. It’s easier to control 32…” – Deebo (30:07)

• Player benefits/hardships and bureaucracy:
  • Deebo and Joe highlight the difficulties retired players face in accessing health benefits, with processes so complex that many give up.
  • Joe credits his agent team for support, but Deebo stresses many others aren’t so lucky.
  • Quote:

    “If you have a regular 9-to-5 job after you’re done playing, you’re not going to be able to get to your NFL pension… When I say you have to go through a process—if it wasn’t for the fact that I didn’t have a regular 9 to 5…” – Deebo (44:11)

• Deebo’s candidacy for NFLPA Executive Director:
  • Frustrated by lack of player representation and transparency, Deebo voices his intention to run.
  • Both hosts argue for greater openness and player-first priorities at the union’s highest levels.
  • Quote:

    “If you can’t do it, get out of there, dude. That’s why I’m running for the NFLPA executive director. You need somebody in there that’s actually in there for the players.” – Deebo (41:16)

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4. Steelers QB Rumors: Will Howard & Ty Simpson

Timestamps: 51:01 – 57:42

• Speculation around Ty Simpson:
  • Deebo references media reports linking the Steelers to Alabama’s Ty Simpson, but both maintain skepticism about chasing a new quarterback.
• Confidence in Will Howard:
  • Both want to see 2025 draftee Will Howard get a real chance. Haden argues that a strong team around a young QB is key, and that the team shouldn’t panic after just one year.
  • Deebo breaks down Howard’s positive college stats and physical presence, contrasting him with other prospects.
  • Quote:

    “We got Will Howard. We’ve seen what he could do in college… He’s on our squad. Let’s use everything that we got to make everything around him better.” – Joe Haden (51:35)

  • Quote:

    “His senior year, he was 73% completion, had over 4,000 yards, almost 10 yards a catch… 35 touchdowns, 10 interceptions… We ain’t even get out a shot or a chance…” – Deebo (56:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you go back, anybody that take yourself over there to Mexico right now… you are out of your mind, Joe.” – Deebo (04:14)
• “Bruh, if you ain’t hit me back, I was sending the drone.” – Deebo (12:35)
• “The NFLPA… they’re trash, dude… and they have been trash since we lost Gene Upshaw in 2008.” – Deebo (27:29)
• “We need report cards on the NFLPA, bro. They would definitely not let them things get out.” – Joe Haden (50:52)
• “If you can’t do it, get out of there, dude. That’s why I’m running for the NFLPA executive director.” – Deebo (41:16)
• “I actually do… I want to give (Will Howard) a shot. If the sink, if it falls, it falls.” – Joe Haden (51:35)

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Structure & Flow

The episode blends humor—like Deebo joking about Joe Burrow’s face replacing Joe Haden’s on the podcast—with sharp, critical insights on serious player topics. The chemistry and mutual respect between the hosts is evident, making their back-and-forth on the Steelers’ facility crisis, quarterback rumors, and the NFLPA’s internal dysfunction both lively and illuminating.

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Segment Timestamps Index

• Joe’s Mexico Trip: 02:39 – 15:38
• Steelers’ NFLPA Report Card Breakdown: 15:38 – 24:18
• NFLPA Critique and Deebo’s Candidacy: 27:29 – 47:43
• QB Rumor & Evaluation (Ty Simpson/Will Howard): 51:01 – 57:42

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Final Takeaway

This episode gives listeners a no-holds-barred look at the realities of NFL player life—inside and outside the lines. Whether it’s navigating cartel danger, navigating the bureaucracy of player benefits, or navigating the next Steelers quarterback controversy, Deebo and Joe keep it real, keep it entertaining, and keep it all about the players.

Transcript

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[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your podcast. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I am doing so good, Deebo. I missed you. I missed you, brother. I missed everybody. I missed the chat. I missed American soil. I missed my kids. I miss McDonald's. I missed the finer. I missed the simple things in life. You know, friends.

[James Debo Harrison]

You don't even eat family.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't even. Look, I don't even eat McDonald's, and I miss McDonald's. Okay? But look, Debo, I'm glad that I'm back, brother. Honestly. Home kicking it here. I'm doing amazing. I'm doing amazing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, listen, Joe, I ain't gonna lie, man. It had me a little shook. I called the man. I called the man El Hancho.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

El Mitcho. I called him El Hancho. You know what I'm saying? And then his homeboy was the El Tulio.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Took off. He went and ordered all the chaos that happened after that. The army went and got him.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, this dude put.

[James Debo Harrison]

What was it, 20. 20, 000 pesos, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

On.

[James Debo Harrison]

On officers, soldiers, heads out there. Dude, that's only like 1200.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's 1200.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, hey, I ain't. I ain't killing. No. I ain't killing nobody for 1200.

[Joe Hayden]

No, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

No, man. No, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, sir. No, but they say you could go back now. It's only a. A level two awareness that's needed. If you go back, anybody that take yourself over there to Mexico right now, look, anytime in the future. You are out of your mind, Joe. You want to go back, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

So this. This. This is my. This is my thing. So I went out there for the golf trip with my homies, and they looking at me, hitting me up now like, joe, you got us looking like. Like the trip was the craziest. Like it never. Everything. It was. This is what happened, guys. The trip was amazing. The spot that we stayed at, Debo, we was at Chileno Bay. When I looked and saw how you

[James Debo Harrison]

should have just stayed there. It was crazy. No, no, no.

[Joe Hayden]

A thousand percent. We should have stayed. We stayed until things started popping off on Sunday. Sunday, when things got to popping off, that was when everybody was supposed to leave anyway. So everybody's like, okay, boom, Cabo. We're at this spot, Chileno Bay. Now, I can speak of my location because I'm safe. I'm in my home now. Nobody knows where my private location is. So we was at Chileno Bay, this place is amazing. Shout out to Gino di Silvio that set it up. The trip was unbelievable. But, bro, we on the space, we're on the campus, we're chilling. We got the golf cart taking us to the house, taking us to the course. A light up, nine holes, boom. Everything's fun. We're having a blast. I'm like sipping the margaritas. That thing I showed you when I was like, dee Bo, I got the margarita.

[James Debo Harrison]

Sam, give me a marriage.

[Joe Hayden]

That was real time drinking marks. Literally, that was joy in my eyes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. And I get to the good and

[Joe Hayden]

then let me get to the gritty. So Sunday, everybody's saying, okay, bet. Okay, yeah. Oh, it's looking like, okay, it's popping off. Everybody's like, okay, bet our flights are out. Okay, so the airport, the airport, everything was popping off at was not the airport that we were headed to. So we went to the Cabo airport. It's a lot of people in the airport, you know what I'm saying? I'm used to packed airports and my boys and everybody, you know what I'm saying? My flight, I have a connecting flight. I'm going to D.C. they saying everything back to D.C. it's a snowstorm, so everything back to D.C. is canceled. So now my boys are going to LA. So I'm like, okay, that's fine. Just get me on the flight with my boys. You know what I'm saying? I go to la, I just need to get out of Mexico. I just need to get out of Mexico. Bring me to la.

[James Debo Harrison]

What they say?

[Joe Hayden]

What they say? Oh, everybody's oh, that flight's completely booked. There's no flights that you can get on to get out of here right now. Okay, but we can set you up on a flight tomorrow.

[James Debo Harrison]

Joe. I say, I'm tell you what you could have did, though. You could have been like a seat, like a lap child, like. Cause you under 200. But anyway, go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I'm trying to find any joint. I'm like this. No, no, you don't have to give me the same flight. Like, it don't got to be for. I could just. Just get me on the plane. I don't care what seat. I'll, you know, I sit up with the lady, you know what I'm saying? I could be a flight attendant. I will help in any way to get out of here. I'm sorry, sir, no, we're going to have to go downstairs and go get your bags, you know what I'm saying? Because there's no flights for you today. We're going to have you out tomorrow. So my boys leave and that's when I'm like, okay, bet.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Woo, woo.

[Joe Hayden]

That's Sunday. And that's when we had a show on Monday. So I'm like, bet, let me get this. Let me get my little. Okay, boom. Let me get my flight right. So then I have to get my own hotel room. I go to this nice gym montage. Been there before. Beautiful. We go back to the resort, everybody's chilling. Nobody acting like nothing's going on. So then next day, wake up for the show, and it's getting more and more tricky. They're start. They're just. There's not. It's not like where I'm at, but who knows what cartel, when they say they're just throwing up roadblocks, I say, where are the roadblocks? Like, how you gonna tell me that a roadblock can't be out here? Like, y' all don't know them. Y' all don't know where to stop them. So now I'm just on my own self like this. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but you don't know the cartel. You didn't talk to El Child. You didn't talk to them.

[James Debo Harrison]

You didn't talk to El Mitcho.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't talk to El Mitcho. You ain't talk to El Metro.

[James Debo Harrison]

You ain't talked to El Tullio. He mad.

[Joe Hayden]

He hot. He hot. He's random. He could just stop. He could just stop my street bank. Jody, y' all ain't getting passed. What am I going to say? So that's where I'm. I bet. Let me get out of here. They hit me and said, joe, there's a little earlier flight while we. Right before we about to get. I'm like. Because I'm not even one. I'm like, I need to jump in, jump out. You like, brother. All right, get home. So then I ended up getting to the airport, make it to the airport for the earlier flight. They're still pressing me now, going through my bags again. I have nothing. I have nothing for you. I had too much. My cologne was too big and. And I had a too much. Took my cologne, took my spray, deodorant. I almost said, take it all. I don't want anything. I just want my passport. Can I have my passport, my chain and my watch and just send me home. Golf clubs stay. Everything stay. But then we got on the flight. I was able to get Home Depot, but that joint was what happened. Got my connect. Then I got home late. Late Tuesday. Late Tuesday.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, Joe. I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe. Look, man, I'm. Now that you home safe. Yes. All right.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

I have to let you in on a little secret now.

[Joe Hayden]

What's up, man?

[James Debo Harrison]

I had to have a plan B just in case, you know, before here, this is what happened. So before things, you know, transpired, you know, everybody, you know, you gotta have a plan B. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to.

[James Debo Harrison]

So I'm done with the show, and I start texting you, Joe. Yeah. And I'm getting no response. And I'm seeing bubbles, right? I'm seeing the bubbles, Joe. But you ain't responding, right? Yeah. So now I'm nervous, all right? I'm super nervous. So then that's when I text you. I say something. So now I'm nervous, right? I'm scared. So you still ain't text nothing. But I'm seeing bubbles.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my gosh.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now, before you answer back, you know what I did? I started making calls. I got. I got extraction team three ready on standby. You know what I'm talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

I do know who you talking.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

You know them boys?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I got them. You know what I'm talking about? I got him on standby. I didn't call it. I didn't call. Hey, Joe. Joe. Stuck. I don't know what's going on. I just need to know what's going on. Yes. But now, you know, now I'm thinking, though, and I'm like. I'm like, damn, we don't lost Joe. So I said, you know what? I got to go through my Joadex, okay? And my Jodex is contact to people I know named Joe to see who can do the show with me.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, you looking for my replacement?

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm sorry. Listen, Joe. Joe. I'm just listening. So I'm thinking. Listen, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, I'm still listening.

[James Debo Harrison]

So I'm thinking, like, Joe Burrow. I'm like, yes, that would. I'm like that. You know? So I go into. I go into damage mode. I go into, you know, and I'm. Yeah, I'm just.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm a businessman, too. You know what I'm saying? So I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

But you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, you safe.

[Joe Hayden]

But listen.

[James Debo Harrison]

So I go into business mode, and

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, you know what? This is really bring the brotherhood together.

[James Debo Harrison]

You got a guy from Cincinnati, a guy from Pittsburgh. We get together and we agree to do this. You know what I'm saying? Keep it in the AFC North. Keep it a brotherhood. And came up with a rendering, Joe, where you would still be in the show. So where your face would be would be Joe's face. And where my face would be would still be my face. And then over to Debo and Joe. That's right there in the shadows. It'd be like a shadow, white light type of you. With an angel halo, Owen, in remembrance of you. So you would be there every show.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy, Debo. No, I thought. I thought we had.

[James Debo Harrison]

But hey, it don't matter. Yeah, you good.

[Joe Hayden]

It don't matter. Cause I'm here.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, you good. But, you know, I just had to let you know, you funny for that, Debo. You funny. Team and I, we had that rendering together, you know, I mean, you gotta. We was hope. But like I said, I still had. I had extraction team three ready.

[Joe Hayden]

You did you hit me? Just in case they took over my phone.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. What did I. What?

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, Joe said Debo said, bruh, if you ain't hit me back, I. I was sending the drone.

[James Debo Harrison]

I said. I said. I said, you got 40. I said, you got 45 seconds to hit me back or I'm sending the drone strike where your location is. I said, tell all of them, tuck your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

You see, that's what I'm saying, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

I knew you.

[Joe Hayden]

You weren't looking for Joe Burrow. You lying to them. You looking for me. You were still trying to extract me, bro. I would appreciate that. I felt it.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm like.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like. And I'm sitting there, I'm like, I

[James Debo Harrison]

can't send it, because if I send it and then it don't happen in 45 seconds, they got him. Got him.

[Joe Hayden]

Then I was. I was in bubbles, Debo. Cause I was literally. I was trying to figure out what I was going to say. And then I was talking to the. I was talking to the airline people. So I'm like. I don't know what to tell them. Well, I should be like, I should be. I should have said I'm safe. That's what I should have said. Because I didn't know what to say.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm like, nickelree, say something.

[Joe Hayden]

But, Deebo, look, this. Honestly, real, real stuff, bruh. Keeping it a bean. I do like traveling. But I'm gonna tell you this. After that situation, feeling of. The feeling of helplessness sometimes when you like this, when you say. When you say, somebody could just block the road. And me no speak. No, me no Speak no Spanish. I love. Yo, I got uno, dos, tres. I can count down, get binte uno. But they do, you know, like, you know, I can get up there. I could do some numbers for you, but when I'm get to talking, like when you sitting there and you don't know the language, like, they like. No, they like. Nah. I'm like, I just feel compromised. And then if the cartel mess around and pull up, they don't have the same law. The laws 0 as the Lord. So I'm like, yeah, that joint really made me feel. But like another shot, back again. Chileno Bay resort fire. Amazing. I never felt, you know what I'm saying? Like, that joint was so nice, but it's just like, you never know outside that dough. And I don't speak no Espanol.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir. I told you, Joe. I wait. I wait. What. What's the worst thing that can happen wherever I go? And if I can't deal with the worst thing that can happen, Joe, I can't go. Yeah, I can't go. I'm Mr. Plan B. Joe, you got. You got to understand that like, I'm already already. Like, when I went to Mexico City, I told my people, I said, hey, if they say they got me and they. They want ransom, they lying. I fought and they had to kill me where I was at. They just took my body.

[Joe Hayden]

See, that's not.

[James Debo Harrison]

Send no paper.

[Joe Hayden]

See, though, this is what I'm saying. I. I will, I will pay for my release to. That's what I'm saying. I'm just trying to get. Get me out of here safely, please. I mean no harm, people. I'm just trying to come here, chill, enjoy this water, enjoy this view, enjoy this vibe. Enjoy these tacos and these vibes. I'm no one, no drama, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

No one, no drama, Joe. Me. Since you don't want no drama, Joe, the NFL, Pennsylvania. I don't know if they released it or who released it, but the report cards just came out and the Dolphins ranked first. And dude, the Steelers are worse this year on the survey. They got the locker room as a F minus. Oh yeah. It says players reported having only five bathroom stalls for the entire team. That is true.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo. That's one when I, you know, you

[James Debo Harrison]

gotta run upstairs, you know, Come on, man, you get heavy. You gotta go catch one before. You know.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Is that another one? Was the owner's ranked last in the willingness to invest in the facilities?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's because they got lowest ranked home field in the league by a wide margin, they said due to high school and college use leading to poor field conditions. That was another F minus. You got the strength coaches ranked last in the NFL. That was another F. And then the training staff was actually first, though I don't know if that grade.

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[Joe Hayden]

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A story that was nearly lost to time. Until now.

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Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Announcer]

On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Awjay.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Every search and rescue team in LA

[Podcast Announcer]

county has been called in to help. Within days tips started flying flooding into the Sheriff's department. They ruler around the drug scene. Was that a deputy was taken care of? Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

[James Debo Harrison]

A homicide captain saying detective, do not

[Joe Hayden]

find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?

[Podcast Announcer]

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

[James Debo Harrison]

I wouldn't do it alone.

[Podcast Announcer]

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

When you feel uncomfortable, what do you put on?

[James Debo Harrison]

Biggie?

[DJ Hester Prynne]

You put on Biggie when you feel uncomfortable.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause I wanna get confident.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

This is DJ Hester Prynne's Music Is Therapy, a new podcast from me, a DJ and licensed therapist that asks one simple question. Who do you want to be and what's the song that can take you there? Music changes what you feel and what you feel changes what you do, right? That moment where a song shifts something inside you, that's where transformation starts. This year I'm talking to experts across every area of life, like personal finance icon Gene Chatky, New York Times journalist David Gellis, relationship legend Dan Savage, human connection teacher Mark Groves and the man who shaped my ear more than anyone, Questlove. They'll bring the strategies. I'll pair them with the right records and we'll teach you how to use the music to make change stick. This isn't just a podcast. It's unconventional therapy for your entire year. Listen to DJ Hester Prin's Music is Therapy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just go hold after you know what transpired this year. But what do you what do you think of these grades? Which ones you think are appropriate and which ones you think aren't?

[Joe Hayden]

Of the I would say the one thing that I see here that's just glowing is that the locker room, that's minus for sure. And when they state facts like Five bathrooms, when we think about it, like, that's just the way it was, right? It's not okay. It's a. It could be a hundred people in that jungle one time, you know what I'm saying? People gotta go, and you gotta go to get practice. And then with the showers, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not a lot of them joints in there, too. And in the locker room, when you walk in there, it's old, it's wood. It got your little name on the jump. But like, when we look at it back in the day, coming from. I was looking at, like, culture. This is what it is, you know what I'm saying? But at the end, when you do look at it, it's like, now this is messed up. We need to have bathrooms available and, like, nice lockers, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's no reason why it shouldn't be up to grade. And that old mentality of like, no, no, no. Do you get what you. This is what this is. We have what. We have the requirements. It may not be as extravagant as you like it, but they have everything that you need. So. But the levels of the locker room, that's crazy. Five bathrooms, when I think about it, that's kind of crazy. So I did.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, I never really counted it, to be honest, or paid attention to it, to be honest to you, because I'm like, all right, I know. I'm gonna go in there, scan real quick, see if all the feet on there. Then I'm gonna shoot straight upstairs to hope I get one of the two that's up there.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, the bathroom, the field is what it is. You know, when you get late into that season, it gets poor. I don't think they switch it in and out. They don't, you know, switch over the field long enough to replace it. And then sometimes they can't because of the time it takes for it to be able to cure and, you know, seal down onto it. The strength coach ranked last. That's. That's something right there, dude, that I think is. It's more of a. I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

That out of any of the ones. I don't really agree with that one. Yeah, I think the strength coaches aren't. I think that I like them pretty good. They're more flexible. Today is not going to give you. Exactly. Everybody has to do the same thing. They're more to flexible to what you need. You know what I'm saying? So I would definitely say that the strength staff was better. I would go to field was probably like it is I think because a lot of people use it. The college teams, high school teams, events are on it all the time. Quick turnover and you got to get back out there. And that field is natural grass. So that just going to get beat up if somebody goes and use it a day or like a little couple days before you use it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I think with the strength coaches, the, the ranking that's kind of on an individual basis to be honest with you. Because if you want a real good strength coach, they need time, dude. And the biggest issue of them needing time is a great strength coach is going to make his program to fit each person. It's going to be catered to that person.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I was trying to say,

[James Debo Harrison]

not to what they want to do. And a lot of these guys I think didn't want to do the kind of lifting that they were doing over there. You know, from without, from, from what I was hearing, it was hard, manual lifting. But the biggest thing that they have to understand is a strength coach is there to build strength. And I think I know if you're a good strength coach, you build and you cater to the person's needs that their body tells you to need because you can't have an imbalance. And the biggest thing is when you get a 10 imbalance in between muscles. So say my hamstring and my quad, if my quad is stronger by more than 10% now, it ups the risk of injury. Now if you get into that 15 and higher percent, it's not about when, I mean it's not about if it's about when you're going to pull something.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

So people who pull their hamstrings a lot are quite dominant. They have a greater deficiency there that's causing the other muscle to strain in the effect of trying to do what it needs to do. Now if they're able to go and do a body maintenance or a body evaluation of each player and then make the program accordingly, then that's better. But when you have coaches that a lot of them, they build a program that's for each group. Now that program for that group that week may be posterior based. For your hamstrings and everything else. Well, this person is already hamstring dominant. They shouldn't be doing a straight three week hamstring something. They need to be doing something for the quads. You don't know that unless you get those measurements. So what you do is you get those measurements, you're like, all right, I'm gonna get something. And this is what I'm gonna have you focus more on so that I can close down that gap, that deficiency. Then we reevaluate the body, you know, later on, three weeks later, to see if we're closer within that. That. That 10% range.

[Joe Hayden]

Deebo, that is exactly right. That makes it a really good strength coach. Because I'm saying the strength coach that you think's coming in there, everybody got to do the same thing. This is what we do. This is why we're doing it. No, no, no, no. Each individual players. We're professional athletes here. We're here for a right reason. Some people's hamstrings need a little bit work. Some people need a little bit more upper body st. You're able to cater to the individual athlete. That's what I think makes a really good strength coach. And when I was there, gee, he did a good job with me of evaluating what I needed, what he felt I need to get worked on.

[James Debo Harrison]

Iman was good at that, and that's

[Joe Hayden]

what we worked on. So I'm like, I don't know who was working on them, but I'm like, the evaluation is if they're doing that, I think that's a good strength coach.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. NFL said they will review the 2026 NFLPA cards leak. They're going to review the leak because they don't want their dirty laundry out there. Yeah. And the NFLPA may have. What do you call it, Accidentally leaked it. I don't know how. However you want to call it. If they get caught, they're going to be caught, and that's. And it's stupid to do it and. And. And make like it's a leak or whatever. But that's the NFL. Pa. Because they're trash, dude. They're trash. And they have been trash since we Lost Gene Upshaw 2008. In 2007, Gene Upshaw told us. Were you playing in 2007?

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. 2010.

[James Debo Harrison]

You weren't played till 2010. So in 2007, Gene Upshaw came in, dude, and he told us. He said, from that point forward, everybody save 30% of your money every year leading up to the lockout in 2011. He said, it's not about if they lock us out. He said, they're going to lock us out. This is four years prior, dude. Okay. You have to be able to last at least 18 months. So that would give you 120% of what the money is that you made. You have sitting There. Ready to go for a lockout, right? Yes. He gets diagnosed with cancer, dude, and three days later, he passes. Damn. Then comes the worst NFLP executive director we have ever had in the history. Demarcus Fitzgerald. I mean, yeah. Marcus Fitzgerald, Smith. Yes. Trash. A trap. The only thing he did in his tenure was make rules that kept himself in power. That's it. He actually changed the rules after the 2011 collective bargaining agreement because he almost lost it. So back then, you had. Well, you still do. You got 32 player reps, okay. One player per team. And those players are the guys that go to all the meetings, are supposed to go to all the meetings, get you all the information. So back then, those player reps would approve or disapprove to bring it to the players. They approved to bring it to the players. They bring it to the players. The players would then vote on it. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Then the numbers would be sent in. Hey, this is what they voted. This was the numbers. Majority wins.

[Joe Hayden]

Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[James Debo Harrison]

They changed that. So now only the 32 player representatives get to actually make the vote.

[Joe Hayden]

They don't have to bring it to the players.

[James Debo Harrison]

They don't have to bring it to the players. So it's the 32 that approve or don't approve the CBA, and on top of that, the election or re election of the executive director. So the players don't even have a vote no more. Because why? It's easier to control 32.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, there is a.

[James Debo Harrison]

It is what, almost 3200 every time it comes to vote. Because you vote in the off season, 1600 players are there that won't even be there at the start of the season. They go to 50 that they're looking for anyway. All they need is 51. Okay. And then of that 1600, how many vested? Maybe 6, 5, 600. Mario actually invested into the program. You know, like there. There's no accountability or oversight of what the reps actually vote because there's no record of it. And the only way the guys will know is to ask the representative, what did you vote? And he could lie.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now, like, where we're at with the executive committee is, like, crucial because not. Now the executive committee is like 12 or 14 guys, okay. And these guys actually pick who you get to vote for. So they send it out to a third party, okay? The third party supposed to. The third party supposed to see who's qualified, and they send that back to the committee. Okay. And then the committee can pick who they want to actually put out to the player Representatives to vote for the new NFL executive, NFLPA executive director, or the cba, if that's the timing of what it is. So if the NFLPA executive committee member don't put your name in a hat, you don't even get a chance to make it, to get put to the third party. And then even if you do make it past the third party and they bring it back and say, all right, these are the six guys that made it, they then can pull you from

[Joe Hayden]

that and put out who they decide

[James Debo Harrison]

they want to present to the player reps. They just fired a dude, Craig Jones. Dude, they just fired this dude. He worked there, I guess almost 17, 18 years, something like that. In January, he was placed on administrative leave for sending emails that they said they deemed antagonists. Because he was asking Jalen Mabin, the current. What is he, the president of the nflpa? He was, you know what? He was basically asking him, play that for him. He was basically asking him this question. Listen, you see, I don't think anybody

[NFLPA Representative]

is saying that this process needs to be transparent to the media.

[James Debo Harrison]

But when you have people in your player, that's a reporter, they did not

[NFLPA Representative]

know information about who is selected or

[James Debo Harrison]

who the candidate, that's Mike Jones. I think the executive committee did not make a recommendation recommendation because after the

[NFLPA Representative]

fact, you guys are saying, oh, we didn't recommend Lloyd, but why would you

[James Debo Harrison]

not want to make sure that they were more informed and have all the

[NFLPA Representative]

information they need so they can vote

[Joe Hayden]

for the best candidate possible?

[NFLPA Representative]

I, I think we have ensured that they're informed. You know, we've given a lot of feedback. We've had meetings with our, our board members. And like I said, I don't think that, no, every, everyone's not going to be touched. There's always going to be someone who may not have been as engaged or may have missed something. But like I said, I'm proud of where our process is going. We've had outside counsel give us recommendations on changes that should be made, and we've implemented those changes. We've sat in the actual board members.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you want to see?

[NFLPA Representative]

Is there anything that you all feel like we want needs to be done to this process? And we sat down and we've heard them out and, you know, we've continued forward with our process. And maybe there, maybe there are. Maybe I could be missing something. Maybe there are a lot of people who, you know, did not feel like they, they were in the know. But I know for a fact that we put in the work and ensured you know, everyone has the access and the ability to know what's on, going, going on, and everyone. We kind of make the rules to the game up front, and, you know, our player leadership knows that, and, you know that that's what we have to stand on. You know, I can't answer for. For everyone, but the. The work that I put in and work that the committee has done has. Has been with integrity and to. To best service our members and to be open and to hear from them and, you know, make sure we're moving in accordance with what the players have asked for. And, you know, I know that we do that every day and every week. And, you know, I don't really think it's our job to just prove that to everyone. They know it, we know it, and that's where we'll stand.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right, Joe. Joe. The first thing he said is, I think. I think. I think. Jalen. You don't think he just told you? No, you haven't. He said so. They said so. You're in the meeting with the board members. You need to be in the meeting with the players because you don't care about the players. You need the board members so that you can get the vote so you don't lose your job. You're proud of the process. How are you proud of the process? It's the same process that you're going to use that got the last NFL PA Executive director that you had. He's gone under that process because y' all obviously messed up. So come on. And on top of that, you want to say he. He said he made the rules to the game. He gave you the rules to the game up front. No, you didn't. You just said there's no transparency. He just said there's no. You can't find out. There's no transparency. Nobody knows who voted for what. And the worst was, it's not your job to prove that. It's 100% your job to prove that to the players you represent.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Hi, I'm Liza Trager. And I'm Kara Klank. We're comedians and your favorite overly invested SVU watchers on that's Messed up, an SVU podcast. We recap iconic episodes, then talk to the stars who live them, like the

[Podcast Announcer]

legendary Matthew Lillard, who will never forget

[DJ Hester Prynne]

his time on svu.

[Joe Hayden]

I do remember the mustache.

[James Debo Harrison]

I will get a p. I will

[Joe Hayden]

get a meme of that mustache. Like, every, like, six days, somebody would be like, what was this?

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Each week, we cover the crimes, analyze

[Podcast Announcer]

the plot holes, and insult the outfits.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Benson goes to talk to Kelly to like tell her the news, but is wearing a beret not the time for a silly hat? Benson, what are you doing? New episodes drop every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to that's messed up on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Hayden]

Dun dun dun.

[Podcast Announcer]

Hi, I'm Danielle Robaix, host of Bookmarked the podcast by Reese's Book Club. And this week on Bookmarked, we're basically hosting the ultimate girls night. Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Garner, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, Angauri Rice, and author Laura Dave. These are the women behind season two of the Apple TV series. The last thing He Told me. We're talking about turning a book into a hit show and what it really takes to bring a story to life. The most important metric for me is do I want to share this book with somebody. That's what creates community and that's the main thesis of our book club and why we started it was just to connect people together. Listen to the Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Awjay.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Every search and rescue team in LA

[Podcast Announcer]

county has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. The ruler around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

[James Debo Harrison]

A homicide captain saying, detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent.

[Joe Hayden]

Who does that?

[Podcast Announcer]

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

[James Debo Harrison]

I wouldn't do it alone.

[Podcast Announcer]

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[James Debo Harrison]

Segregation in the day, integration at night.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

When segregation was the law, one mysterious

[Podcast Announcer]

black club owner had his own rules.

[James Debo Harrison]

We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping in another world.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Inside Charlie's place, black and white people danced together.

[Podcast Announcer]

But not everyone was happy about it.

[Joe Hayden]

You saw the kkk? Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here.

[James Debo Harrison]

Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch, and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story

[Podcast Announcer]

that was nearly lost to time until now.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you feel uncomfortable, what do you put on?

[Joe Hayden]

Biggie.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

You put on Biggie when you feel uncomfortable.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause I wanna get confident.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

This is DJ Hester Prynne's Music Is Therapy, a new podcast from me, a DJ and licensed therapist that asks one simple question. Who do you want to be? And what's the song that can take you there? Music changes what you feel, and what you feel changes what you do, Right? That moment where a song shifts something inside you, that's where transformation starts. This year, I'm talking to experts across every area of life, like personal finance icon Gene Chatky, New York Times journalist David Gellis, relationship legend Dan Savage, human connection teacher Mark Groves, and the man who shaped my ear more than anyone, Questlove. They'll bring the strategies. I'll pair them with the right records and will teach you how to use the music to make change stick. This isn't just a podcast. It's unconventional therapy for your entire year. Listen to DJ Hester Prinz. Music is Therapy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts, dumbass.

[James Debo Harrison]

If you can't do it, get out of there, dude. That's why I'm running for the NFLPA executive director. You need somebody in there that's actually in there for the players.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, 1,000%.

[James Debo Harrison]

So. Hey, listen, the NFLPA executive. Hey, the people who actually. Yes. Make those decisions. Cam, you're one. My guy. You said you was gonna make sure I was on the list.

[Joe Hayden]

All right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Elias Campbell, he's the president. He said, hey, I'm here. My guy. He said, listen, calm down, man. It ain't. You know, it ain't there yet. We go get you in there. No, I'm not gonna calm down. Okay. Austin Eckler, also. Talk to him. He's another vice president. Holler at your boy, please and thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

Because I ain't gonna lie. You are honestly speaking facts. Because this is my thing. They're keeping it like the ownership. They're keeping it like the way that the NFL runs their stuff. If it's for the players and you. Really? For the players and you, like. No, no, no, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

The NFL is doing it how they should do it, with protecting the NFL.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

Not Protecting our players here.

[Joe Hayden]

We're acting like. No, we're acting like there's a little boys club at the top, though, of the NFL. Pennsylvania. That's not really going to be. That's what I'm saying. Those dudes are not trying to keep it as open. Because if you're not doing what you supposed to do, sir, then get somebody in there that does. The players don't feel as informed. Well, I think that we're doing it in our process. Your process isn't good enough because the players don't know what the hell is going on. And you don't feel like they should because you know if they did, you wouldn't be in your position. So you're gonna keep it just how it is so you can let it go how it goes. I want it to be open. I want Debo's name so she'll be in there. Because end of the day, if it's bull stuff going on, you're trying to get it all out for the players. I'm just feeling like these dudes are getting so comfortable in their position and they're answering it. So matter of fact. And so, like.

[James Debo Harrison]

What do you mean? You.

[Joe Hayden]

You. You're talking. I brought it to the board.

[Podcast Announcer]

The board.

[Joe Hayden]

We need to make sure that this is the NFL.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude. They're saying the board members didn't even know. The board members didn't even know. Didn't even vote. Dude, at the. At the meeting. This. This. This year at the super bowl, it was executive committee members that weren't even there. How you gonna miss your own meeting for something you're running? What?

[Joe Hayden]

They don't. Hey, I'm.

[James Debo Harrison]

I need. How does that work? Do you even know who Jalen is? He's running. He's. He's actually damn near running this thing right now. Nobody knows who he is. The players don't know who it is. Nobody knows who he is. You know who voted him in the executive committee?

[Joe Hayden]

Why?

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

Neither do I.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because active players don't get to vote anymore. This. This affects all players. This also affects retired players. This affects you. Right now, you're in the. You're in the retirement phase, where you still are getting your health benefits, but you only get that for five years, then that's taken away. Wait till you find out what that insurance costs. Oh, my God. To keep the one that they have. They'll say, hey, listen, we'll make it easy for you. You can just keep the insurance you got, and we'll automatically just Deduct it. Because when you go to try and get paid for this stuff, dude, when I say you have to go through a process, if it wasn't for the fact that I didn't have a regular 9 to 5. If you have a regular 9 to 5 job after you're done playing, you're not going to be able to get to your. Your NFL pinch, to your hra, your health reimbursement account. You're not gonna be able to get to it. They're only open during business hours. In the process of going through it and trying to figure it out, you can't do it. I got lucky and I ended up getting hooked up with a guy after my fourth. Fifth time calling. And he was like, yo, I'm gonna take you to the steps. And he. He would. He would sit there on it with me. To this day, he will sit there on the phone with me going through the process of calling my insurance company, calling the doctor, getting all this other information that I would have no idea how to get, bro. I was on the phone for an hour and 45 minutes one time to get reimbursed. 200.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

And that's the game, bro. That's their business, bro. Make it as hard as possible for you to get it. So a lot of guys don't even go for it, dude, because the process is so hard. And when you say, okay, I don't go for this 200, I don't go for this hundred, I don't do that. And you get that over 30, 40 times over the course of the year. You done missed out on a few grand now. Yeah. And that's one player they're doing that with. And think of how many players still got that money sitting there. It's ridiculous. They. They made the process so hard to get back that guys don't even know how to do it, dude. And like I said, if I didn't get lucky and get in contact with the right person. Cause everybody else, well, you gotta call your hoa. You gotta call this and that. You gotta pull it from here.

[Joe Hayden]

I can shout out to, where the

[James Debo Harrison]

hell do I go for that?

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, for sure. I get one thing. I ain't gonna lie. My agent, I had, you know, Dwayne Starks, my agent Drew, he called me yesterday and was just checking up on me, making sure all of this stuff was good. So that's. That's why I could shout out to Drew. Cause he's where he works for Drew Rosenhaus, my old agent. And they still hitting Checking up by once a year to retire, guys. So I got the call yesterday, so that was actually pretty dope.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Do they know how to do the process, though?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. You got a team that'll be there and help you with that process.

[Joe Hayden]

That was really.

[James Debo Harrison]

A lot of cats don't know it.

[Joe Hayden]

No. A thousand percent like me, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

I didn't know it. Especially guys that's older than us. That's. That's Reliant, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Out of control. Listen, you don't know what you own Daily Maven. I do not know why he is even in there. Nobody knows of him. And here's the crazy thing. I went to one the year before when they got Lloyd. Same thing, press conference, dude. It was like. It was like somebody just doing like word salad, man. He just saying same thing here, but it was worse even then. Nobody even knows who he is.

[Joe Hayden]

You know when you. You know when you don't have. You know, when you're not standing on nothing that you really just trying to deflect. He's not saying, bro, he's trying to

[James Debo Harrison]

stand on holding his job. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

That is it. He's not doing nothing else, bro. Look here. James Harrison for NFLPA executive director and your hat.

[Joe Hayden]

Your hat got to be in there. And they gotta at least get you to the. Do we know if you getting sent to the. To the third party?

[James Debo Harrison]

Nothing. They. They were supposed to have a meeting in March in the. At the. At the. At the meeting this year at the Super Bowl. They don't even have a timeline anymore of that date. They don't even have the date no more. It's supposed to be March. They don't even know exact date.

[Joe Hayden]

Because when they asking about. NFLP is asking about you. That's what I'm saying. When they like, you got to be informed.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's trash. Super trash.

[Joe Hayden]

You talking about being informed and trying to make sure people are going to the meeting. You had this out the Super Bowl. They didn't even show up to the own meeting. So how you like that doesn't make any sense.

[James Debo Harrison]

The guys that. The only. The third. The 32 guys that have the vote, plus the 14 or 11 committee members. Dude, I. I guarantee you it might have been seven or eight guys in there from that whole 40 something.

[Joe Hayden]

I know a lot of people got stuff on their plates, but when we talking about this stuff, if you do, you got to kind of gracefully bow out and we got to get Somebody that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

One. One that can be.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who is the guy that end up getting that job every year. Most of the time when they first

[Joe Hayden]

start off, it's just one of the best players. Nope.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, best players don't want it. It's too much work. So you get a guy that's like, you know what? I'll do it. And if they really care about it and they're the best player, then yeah, they'll care about it. Or they're just going as. Because I'm the big name on the team and I should be there representing.

[Joe Hayden]

That's not who should be there. It doesn't matter.

[James Debo Harrison]

It should be the person that's actually there for the players.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude that can't wait, that's trying to get his jump. They can't wait to be like, I'm. I'm invested. I want to see exactly what's going on in here. And like, that's really interested in the process.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude. This dude was in there before he was even vested, I believe.

[Joe Hayden]

But do you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

How are you on a NFL PA and you're not even vested into the program. You are now one of the members that are supposed to be going out here leading it and trying what bylaws messed up on that too. It gotta be like. It gotta be. They're not telling anybody to start saving up or nothing, dude. Because it's going to be a lockout. Players listen, say 30 all the way up until the lockout because it's going to be another lockout. The NFL wants to go and get this done as fast as possible. You're trying to get it done as fast as possible because you want a deal. That's for them. They're not going to give us a good deal. They're not going to give the players a great deal. They're not going to do that. We had the opportunity and we let D. Smith file it up, period. Like, we need report cards on the NFL pa, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man. They would definitely not let them things get out.

[James Debo Harrison]

We need report costs on the NFL pa.

[Joe Hayden]

Miss.

[James Debo Harrison]

We got, we got, we got, we got some Steeler news. Let's get over here and see what the Steelers talking about, brother. So we got Mike Flores. Oh, he said people around the league are skeptical of Stillers love for Will Howard. They said the Steelers met with Alabama's Ty Simpson. What do you, what do you think of that statement? You think that's a, that's a correct statement? What do you, how do, how do you view that Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

They got the right to be skeptical. I. I think Will Howard needs a chance. We didn't draft him for no reason. Thank you, Body. Like, I don't care what everybody else says. We got him on our roster right now. We picked him. He's a Steeler. I love the coach. I love the way that he was. Was able to develop quarterbacks. So, man, I'm not in love with Ty Simpson. And everybody else say that too. Like quarterbacks, people fall in love and all of a sudden he's one of the best quarterbacks ever. Get out of here. I don't want to hear it. We got Will Howard. We seen what he could do in college, in the collegiate level. He's on our squad. Let's use everything that we got to make everything around him better. Let's make this. Let's make it like Sam Darnoldish, where he doesn't have to go out there and be Patrick Mahomes, not mess it up. Do good, hit the players where they need to, and we run the ball well, have a solid defense. And Will's going to look better than I think advertised. People always want to jump around and do all of the quarterback stuff and say that shit. But for me, I'm staying with Will. I'm not going to abandon ship. I'm going to keep it right there. I actually do. I want to give him a shot. If we. If the sink, if it falls, it falls. We going to be able to see what happens next year and be able to. Now we really got to go get a quarterback. We know that's a position of need. We knew Aaron Rodgers isn't going to be the fix. We know if we're going to have to find out if Will Howard is going to be the fix, then if he's not, we in the same boat. But we don't know until we don't know. So I'm like, we got Mason backing up Rudolph. I mean, Mason Rudolph backing him up. We still got Will Howard.

[James Debo Harrison]

So you like Mason Rudolph as the backup.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, we can do something else. I mean, you know what you're going to get. You know what I'm saying? I'm not.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. That don't mean that I want that.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, for sure, for sure. I'm just saying for right now, I'm just doing.

[James Debo Harrison]

I will.

[Joe Hayden]

I just said Mason because Mason is a good friend of mine. I played with him and I know what I was going to get. Solid. You just. That's. I think that's why they probably put him in before they even gave Will a chance because he just consist you knew what you were going to get. But now new coaching staff, that was with Coach T. So now Will Howard, new coach, new vibe. Give him a shot, give him some ops. Let him see what's up.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm all with you. I know a lot of people are, are saying, you know, the gm Omar Khan, he, you know, he has to do. He hasn't done nothing. Well, I can say with 100% certainty that he has had little control of what has came out of the top draft picks. So this year for me will definitely be a point where I believe the Steelers are going to go back to doing what they did before and not make the mistake of allowing a single individual to ultimately have the say of being able to, you know, pick a dude higher than the majority has, has ruled him. So I'm looking forward to seeing how he drafts this year. Okay. And from this year on is where I'm gonna, I'm gonna judge, you know, Omar Khan. That's, that's just where I sit now. The Will I want. I won't. I won't Will to get a chance. The reason I want Will to get a chance is even looking at Ty. Ty Simpson's numbers and it's not. I mean, Will's, Will's numbers were actually better. I don't, I don't. I don't think we need to grab him if he's there. They. They don't think he'll be there at. What is it, 21, 22, something like that. 20, whatever it may be, Ty, if Ty Simpson is there, you think we should get him

[Joe Hayden]

if the Steelers think that he's a franchise quarterback.

[James Debo Harrison]

I asked you me.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I don't, I don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's where I'm at.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I think get somebody that's nice for sure. That's going to start on our squad. And like we got, we got TJ White at 32. Like there's, there's good players there that we could get the receivers. It's a stack receiver squad. You want to go get. Actually, I don't think that we want to go here, but is a cornerback fire at that position where you could lock it up with Joey Porter Jr. The best tackle. The best. You know what I'm saying? Something, something of the best. Of the best that you like. I don't think that we got to go trying to go reaching like, oh no, the quarterback. No, I mean he's not the One if you think he's the guy. I don't, but if the team does, if they believe in him, whatever. But I'm like, no, right now we got too many holes, too many gaps. Quarterback is one of the main positions. But before the season started, I wasn't looking at Ty Simpson like, oh, if we. The Steelers got him, that'd be the one. No, I wasn't thinking. Basically any of these quarterbacks for real were really making me feel like we need to go up and get them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. I ain't gonna even lie, dude. I had to, I had to go back and look at Will Howard stuff. Dude, his senior year, he was 73% completion, man. Had over 4,000 yards. He was almost 10 yard a catch, bro. Like, averaged almost 10 to catch. He had 35 touchdowns, 10 interceptions. And we ain't get out a shot or a chance to even show what it could do.

[Joe Hayden]

Now.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know. That don't, that don't make sense to me. I don't care where you drafted him. You drafted him for a reason. At least put him out there and see what he could do.

[Joe Hayden]

No, he was at Ohio State with them weapons. But get him some even, even, even

[James Debo Harrison]

before that when he was at. What was that? It wasn't Kansas.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know where he went before

[James Debo Harrison]

I think it was. But he improved there each year. Well, for the last two years of his career, he improved there without the weapons. I mean, the numbers weren't as great because. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

But I'm rocking with Will.

[James Debo Harrison]

Once he got those weapons, it did, it did a whole lot better. And another thing, he a big body bro. Yes. Like, he's not.

[Joe Hayden]

No little dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. 62208 on the books. That don't, you know, with Simpson, that don't. That don't feel good to me. Especially, you know, with some of the contact he may have to come into depending on how the line is doing that day, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

And we want to play. And these quarterbacks, when we get them, we want them to play for a long time. And the frailer, the smaller, I don't know how long. Well, Russell Wilson, we was in there for a minute, so let me not speak out of turn, but I like a big frame quarterback.

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