Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers to draft a QB? Browns back Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders number change

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe, Part 1: Steelers to Draft a QB? Browns Back Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders’ Number Change

Date: March 31, 2026
Hosts: Debo Harrison (Deebo), Joe Hayden (Joe), with contributions from co-host and guests

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Episode Overview

On this episode of Club Shay Shay, Deebo and Joe dig deep into several crucial NFL storylines centering on the AFC North: the state of the quarterback rooms for the Cleveland Browns and Pittsburgh Steelers, the Browns’ ongoing faith in Deshaun Watson, and Shedeur Sanders’ decision to change his jersey number. The conversation features their characteristic humor, personal stories, and honest, sometimes critical takes on the teams’ leadership decisions. The discussion also spotlights the shared experience of proving yourself and pushing back against doubters—whether you’re a rookie quarterback or a veteran linebacker.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter & Age Jokes

• [05:00] – [07:38]
  • Deebo and Joe playful banter about "Unc" (uncle) status and aging in the NFL.
  • Notable moment: Deebo roasts Joe for being old and bald; Joe fires back about family age dynamics.

    Deebo: "...If I'm getting older in age and I'm going to accept the Unc status, whatever. I take that. ...But your old ass is going to be at least grandpa now..." [05:03]
    Joe: "UNC status go from like 30 to 75." [05:47]

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Ranking the AFC North QB Rooms

• [07:44] – [12:00]

  • Hosts review the recent quarterback room rankings: Browns at #30 (second worst), Steelers at #31 (last before the Raiders, whose status is expected to change after drafting a top pick).

  • Highlights the lack of proven talent: Steelers have Mason Rudolph and Will Howard; Browns have Shedeur Sanders, Deshaun Watson, and Dylan Gabriel.

  • Discusses the rankings versus names such as Geno Smith, Tua Tagovailoa, Jacoby Brissett, and Bryce Young being rated higher, reflecting on why their own teams are so low due to unproven players.

    Deebo: "That's what I'm telling you. It talks about this. ...Who is the quarterback in the room right now? ...With the Steelers ...Mason Rudolph and ...Will Howard. ...With the Browns room. We got Shedeur Sanders, and we got Deshaun Watson and Dylan Gabriel..." [08:40]

  • Context: Both hosts are resigned but hopeful about their teams’ current QB situations.

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Will Howard’s Mindset & Path Forward

• [12:09] – [15:59]
  • Discussion turns to Will Howard, Steelers’ 6th-round pick in 2025, and his attitude after being doubted.
  • Deebo praises Howard for his mature outlook, quoting his statement:

    Will Howard (via Joe): "At the end of the day, I'm not Will Howard, sixth round pick. I'm Will Howard, Pittsburgh Steeler. That's how I look at myself." [12:16]

  • Deebo on Howard's approach:

    Deebo: "I love the mindset. ...Control what you can control. ...He’s saying, I’m coming out here, I’m a member of the squad. ...I know I play quarterback. I got drafted here for a reason." [13:26]

  • Joe discusses Howard’s college limitations but thinks Howard’s chip on his shoulder can motivate:

    Joe: "They’re judging my man on college performance...he was a little inaccurate...inconsistency with pressure. ...But, but when the pocket was clean, he was considered a starting caliber quarterback." [15:20]

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Motivation, Proving Doubters Wrong (Joe's Personal Story)

• [16:54] – [17:43]
  • Joe draws parallel to his own career—using doubt as fuel.

    Joe: "...I didn’t care. I’m like, oh, okay, so you trying to replace me…Motivation activated, bro." [16:54]

  • Joe can still list names of all linebackers drafted after him (shows competitiveness and long memory).

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Steelers’ QB Strategy & Draft Possibilities

• [24:12] – [30:25]
  • Focus on Steelers’ QB future. Mike McCarthy’s statement about the 2026 NFL Draft—open to drafting a quarterback "if the right guy is there," but not sold on this year’s draft class.

    Joe: "He knows he needs a quarterback. ...That quarterback, I don't think is going to be found in this draft." [24:49]

  • Deebo and Joe riff on names, the likelihood of Ty Simpson being available, potentially drafting him if he drops, but agree the perfect solution would be signing Aaron Rodgers to get out of the QB basement.

    Deebo: "That’s what I’m saying. ...If Will Howard isn’t the guy, you could still have the chance to get Ty Simpson…If you don’t think these quarterbacks are good enough at all, let’s see what we can do with Will Howard..." [27:04]

  • Ultimately, both are resigned to rolling with Will Howard as "the guy" unless a proven veteran like Rodgers is available.

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New Offensive Coordinator: Ryan Angelico

• [30:34] – [34:44]
  • New Steelers OC, Ryan Angelico, receives praise for his run/pass balance philosophy and pedigree (via Kevin O’Connell):

    Kevin O’Connell (quoted): "Ange has a really good understanding of the run game and how to marry it together, how to marry the play action pass and keeping in the keeper game to base..." [31:35]

  • Deebo and Joe are optimistic that Angelico can help stabilize QB play and offensive identity.

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Browns’ Owner Haslam Backs Deshaun Watson (Again)

• [34:44] – [39:04]
  • Debo and Joe debate why Browns owner Jimmy Haslam has changed his tone, reaffirming his faith in Deshaun Watson after earlier doubts.

    Debo: "If you give somebody $250 million, you’re going to believe in them until the wheels fall off." [37:25]

  • Skepticism from both about Watson regaining old dual-threat form:

    Debo: "...when you are a running quarterback, it starts to make you have to just depend on that other part of your game...for me, I don’t know if he’s still going to be having those same type of twitchiness..." [43:18]

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Browns’ QB Battle: Shedeur Sanders vs. Deshaun Watson

• [43:18] – [46:22]
  • Debo advocates giving Shedeur Sanders a true chance—starts the season, but Watson is there as fallback if things go south:

    Debo: "For me, I’m going with Shedeur Young. Give him weapons, give him a chance...If it doesn’t work out, we still have Deshaun there..." [43:18]

  • Both recognize Browns’ long history of QB instability, but like the current setup more than recent years.

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Shedeur Sanders' Number Change to #2

• [49:03] – [51:30]
  • Shedeur Sanders switches from #12 back to #2 (his Jackson State and Colorado number) after the departure of a vet.

    Debo: "Because, bro, he loves number two...He has a connection with number two. You know, look good, feel good, play good..." [49:34]

  • Story expands into the importance of jersey numbers for athlete identity and superstition, with both hosts sharing personal anecdotes.

    Joe: "Listen, bro, I don’t think people understand how getting that number that you balled in, that you was a dog in, can make you feel you have a little. That’s your number..." [51:30]

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Personal Locker Room & Identity Stories

• [51:30] – [57:30]
  • Extended back-and-forth about numbers, motivation, and football identity.
  • Joe recounts how a change to #3 in high school coincided with a string of bad luck (suspension, weight gain, lost scholarships).

    Joe: "I got suspended three games my senior year. Lost every scholarship offer I had except for Kent State..." [53:11]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Deebo on building a team:
  "We just need to keep on not doing...the obvious thing, which is get talent in the spots that we don’t have it. Wide receiver and continue to get our offensive line right when we have these skill positions. Running back, quarterback. I like our quarterback. We like our tight end defense already. We doing good." [48:14]

• Joe on proving the world wrong:
  "I love when they said what I couldn’t do. I was too short for, I was too slow for...Motivation activated, bro." [16:56]

• Deebo on jersey numbers:
  "He wanted two, didn’t want to pay for it, Went Deebo on it. Now two came available, gets it for the free 99. He’s happy, he’s in his number, he’s ready." [50:01]

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Important Timestamps

• 05:00 – Age/“Unc” debate kicks off the show
• 07:44 – AFC North QB room rankings and strong opinions
• 12:16 – Will Howard’s approach as a late-round QB
• 16:54 – Personal stories about using doubt as motivation
• 24:49 – Mike McCarthy on the Steelers’ possible QB draft
• 31:35 – Angelico OC praise and offensive strategy
• 34:44 – Browns owner Haslam on Deshaun Watson
• 43:18 – Shedeur Sanders as Browns’ QB, logic behind giving him the reins
• 49:03 – Shedeur Sanders changes to jersey #2; tradition and superstition in sports
• 53:11 – Joe’s high school suspension and weight gain story

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Tone and Language

The episode is heavy on candid humor, friendly ribbing, and classic locker room storytelling, balanced with sharp and sometimes skeptical football analysis. Deebo and Joe reflect a player’s mindset: loyalty to “their guys”, but no illusions about the business or the challenges of proving yourself at the NFL level.

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For Listeners New to the Episode

This episode delivers AFC North insights (and gripes) straight from player perspectives—expect plenty of jokes, personal war stories, but also genuinely insightful breakdowns on why the Browns and Steelers are facing uphill battles at QB. The chemistry between Deebo and Joe keeps the energy up throughout as they alternate between critique and camaraderie, on and off the field.

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[Joe Hayden]

How you doing today UN Paul Joe

[Debo Harrison]

I'm doing good Debo, but you need to get this together. If I'm getting older in age and I'm going to accept the UN status, whatever, I take that. I'm going to take that on the chin. But that makes you grandpa or whatever is older than Unk because I'm taking I'm 30. You know, I'm in my 30s, I'm about to turn 37. Birthday April 14th. Smooth Aries, baby. But your old ass is going to be at least grandpa now because you keep on Unc Joe starting off the show with that.

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[Debo Harrison]

I'm going to let you know, your kids about to have kids. They're old enough to have children almost. So you're about to be a grandfather. Okay. So you keep them on. Just notice I'm accepting mine. You gotta accept yours too. You gotta accept yours too.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You being real.

[Joe Hayden]

You being. You, man.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You being real disrespectful over there.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, UNC status go from like 30 to 75.

[Debo Harrison]

You just made that up.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Look at chat G GPT until that what they say.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm starting to go from 30 to 75.

[Debo Harrison]

The groups. There's different groups that goes. The max between a age group is about 10 years. You can't be 30 year. Age gaps. That's just. That's crazy. It's different. That don't make sense.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, because, see, I'm the youngest. I'm the youngest of 14.

[Debo Harrison]

That's a lot of kids.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, Exactly. So I'm the youngest of 14.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I got nephews that's older than me. I got a nephew that's older than me.

[Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's just.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Debo Harrison]

I don't know what to tell you about that. He's.

[Joe Hayden]

He's like I said, hey, when y' all in the chat, let Joe know he owned. It's all good.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He gonna have to accept it, you know what I'm saying? I'm still. I'm still me. I'm, you know, you just.

[Debo Harrison]

Just old. Just old Debo, you know, getting up there. It's all good, Debo. Accept it. Take it. You know what I'm saying? You already got the strong.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm almost shaking listening to you just talk so disrespectful.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Oh, man, like, got me ready to jump on.

[Debo Harrison]

Look, you already got the bald head. You know what I'm saying? You let it go. So you just accepting it.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I ain't let it go. I took it away because it was cheaper to do it when I was in college because I ain't have to pay for a haircut. I could do it.

[Debo Harrison]

Okay. My bad. Bad.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

And by the time I realized it was over with, I was.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I was. I was 32. 30 years old. And my. My. My top was light, you know?

[Debo Harrison]

Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. My top getting light. I'm accepting it.

[Joe Hayden]

Your top getting like your. Your line been pushed back.

[Joe (Co-host)]

All right, let's get to this.

[Debo Harrison]

Let's get to this. Let's get to this. Let's get to the nitty gritty.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah, man, look here.

[Joe Hayden]

The NFL, they.

[Joe (Co-host)]

They ranked the quarterback rooms, and guess who was sitting there at 30? The Browns.

[Debo Harrison]

Trash.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[Debo Harrison]

And guess who was right after the Browns? The Steelers. So both of our rooms looking crazy right now. That's what they ranked it. Yep. They got.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We.

[Debo Harrison]

They say we got one. Only one team with a worse quarterback situation than. Than our squads, And they about to draft with the number one overall pick. They gonna get Mendoza. So they situation. They. They trying to say after the draft, we looking like we gonna be the worst unless we end up doing the same thing. They about to.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Nah, they tripping. They tripping. They tripping. We.

[Joe Hayden]

We definitely better than the Raiders.

[Joe (Co-host)]

They ain't even got.

[Debo Harrison]

That's what I'm saying. That's why.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And then when they get somebody, they still.

[Debo Harrison]

That's what I'm telling you. They put.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And the Browns like to actually have

[Joe Hayden]

the audacity to say that they better than me.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Like, come on.

[Debo Harrison]

No, no, no. Because this is what I'm telling you. It talks about this. This what. This what it boils down to. Who is the quarterback in the room right now? Right now? Right now, Right now with the Steelers. Listen, my brother, with the Steelers. Right now, there's comparing, all right? It's Mason Rudolph and it's Will Howard with the Browns room. We got Shador Sanders, and we got Desean Watson and Dylan Gabriel, number 29.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, I give you that.

[Debo Harrison]

I give you that at 29. That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to go. I had to look at 29. Geno Smith is at 29. Geno Smith at 29. Okay, who give me 28? It's Tua Tungabalua with Atlanta. Okay? And number 27 is Jacoby Brissette in Arizona.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, man, you calling names, bro? Just call teams.

[Debo Harrison]

Arizona Cardinals. No, I need to give names because these are the quarterbacks that they're ranking over who we got in our room. They're basically saying this.

[Joe Hayden]

Why you just saying one name?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Like, I ain't got nothing to defend it.

[Debo Harrison]

Cause I'm just trying to say, do you.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Who do.

[Debo Harrison]

Do you who.

[Joe Hayden]

27.

[Debo Harrison]

27 is Jacoby Brissette, Arizona Cardinals 26. Bryce Young, Carolina Panthers 25. Malik Willis, Miami Dolphins.

[Joe (Co-host)]

All right, all right.

[Debo Harrison]

24. Cam Ward.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

We slightly cooked. Okay.

[Joe (Co-host)]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

Until we find out what Will Howard can do, we slightly cook. Because my confidence in Mason Rudolph is.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I ain't gonna lie. It ain't even there, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

And you know what? We in this because we waiting on Aaron Rodgers stillis.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Just go and offer the man something, man, like so we can get off

[Joe Hayden]

the bottom of this list.

[Debo Harrison]

The reason why we at the bottom of the list is because we're unproven. They ain't seen what Will could do. And what you're saying and what you understand that?

[Joe Hayden]

And that's why I can't argue it

[Joe (Co-host)]

because we don't know what Will can do,

[Debo Harrison]

but I can't even say but so like that. I think when I looked at it, I was hot at first, but then I'm looking like the only Jacoby Brissette. I. I mean, at the bottom of this list. I mean, these Geno Smith, Tua Jacoby, like I you. It's a toss up because with your door he didn't put up a good enough season. I could just say no for sure. He's better than these dudes. So I think with when they said Cam Ward, they putting him at 24, he didn't have like his offense wasn't that good. He didn't have the weapons. I'm looking at our. Our quarterback position with the Browns. What. What I call it us. What do you want me to call it when I talk about the Browns deo?

[Joe (Co-host)]

What did I say? You didn't say.

[Debo Harrison]

Don't say we. I think you said us.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay, say us then.

[Debo Harrison]

Us with the Browns. I'm thinking we get. You just gotta. We're unproven. Will Howard's unproven. What they seen from Shador wasn't good enough to put us over any of these other guys. So, I mean, I'm not. I'm not really as. As mad at the list, but you know what I'm saying? I just think they. We got. We got to go prove ourselves. Everybody. Will hasn't played anything. So how you going to put him over guys that actually been in the game, you know what I'm saying? Have. Have actual tape and bo nicks at 20, Trevor Lawrence at 19.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, hey, hey, stop, stop.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Because they ain't gonna mess up that bad. I mean, I hope they ain't. I mean, I wish they had it, but they ain't.

[Joe Hayden]

They ain't lying.

[Joe (Co-host)]

All right?

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, I could you know, I could accept what I could say, but hey, Will Howard went on ahead and he, you know, he addressed that people was doubting him. So the Steelers took Will Howard in

[Joe (Co-host)]

the sixth round of the 2025 draft. That's what pick 185. He was the eighth quarterback taken in the draft. Howard said, at the end of the day, I'm not Will Howard, six round pick. I'm Will Howard, Pittsburgh Steelers. That's how I look at myself. And so I'm not viewing myself any differently. Obviously, I understand that the media is going to take and say what they want to, what they want with it, but at some point, man, I'm just a player on the team and whether I was a picked high or rather I was picked low, it doesn't matter. I still have to produce. As much as I can sit here and be pissed off about it, it doesn't matter because it happened and it happened the way it was meant to happen. But now all I can control is what is going. What's going forward. What's going forward? Yeah. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

You like that?

[Joe (Co-host)]

You cool with that?

[Joe Hayden]

You like that? You like, you like that statement?

[Joe (Co-host)]

You like that? You like the mindset?

[Debo Harrison]

I love the mindset. I love the statement. Control what you can control. That's all you can do. You can do the best you can do. Will Howard can only do his best. And I say I'm putting himself in the best position by studying the tape, being in there all the time, knowing what everybody has to do, knowing all the checks, knowing all the routes, knowing the cadences, just being familiar, as familiar as he can, as comfortable as he can to give himself the best option to go out there and ball out. So I'm listening to him. He knows he was drafted sixth round. He was backup last year. Whatever happened, he probably believes in himself. Just not trying to be cocky. When I get the opportunity, I'm gonna go out there and show why I, why I play football, why I do what I do. So with me, with him, all that's all you can do, Will, is it doesn't matter where you were drafted, it doesn't matter. You're all on the same team now. First round pick, second round pick, third round pick. Once you get on the squad, we all here now, you know what I'm saying? The best man shall win the job. So all I can do is put my best foot forward, hoop out, ball, and show these dudes that I can be a professional quarterback. And that's not trying to do anybody else's job. That's coming in here knowing what, exactly what I have to do, knowing exactly what my job entitled. Knowing when the defense moving, knowing how to read defenses, coming in here prepared, you know what I'm saying? Not looking crazy, not, not focused, locked in on being a professional quarterback. So I love what he's saying. He's speaking exactly what he needs to be saying. Not trying to just throw out stuff and putting too much pressure on his back. He's saying, I'm coming out here, I'm a member of the squad. I know I play quarterback. I got drafted here for a reason. So I'm where I need to be. I'm where my feet are. So I'm trying to go ball out. I love what he's saying because like that's what you will want your guy to say. I'm here. Doesn't matter how I got here, whatever. I'm just trying to do the best that I can do and I'm here for a reason. So I'm rocking with it.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe (Co-host)]

They judging my man on college performance. Man, he was a little inaccurate. You know, he had some placement issues, high balls, little bit of a process and they expected him to be able to process a little bit faster because he's an older quarterback. So that kind of lowered the ceiling, you know, as far as what they, they thought, you know, he should, where he should be or where he could get to, I should say. And then, you know, the inconsistency with, with pressure, you know, he got a little bit of happy feet moving around a little bit. But, but when the pocket was clean, he was considered a starting caliber quarterback.

[Debo Harrison]

Okay, okay, okay, Joe, do you, do you understand I'm picking up what you're putting down.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Now with that being said, the first goal NFL football is to get there. That's the easy part, Joe. Yes.

[Debo Harrison]

The hard part.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Hey, stand there baby. And he understand and he's saying, yo, I don't care where I was driving, I'm here. So I'm not going to sit here and whine and cry and about being a sith frown pig. Nah, it's time to produce. So I can stay here and become everything everyone said and thought I was not. He locked in. That's what he needs to be. So you know, he, he's carrying a

[Joe Hayden]

little bit of chip on his shoulder,

[Joe (Co-host)]

using that as, you know, fuel for his fire. I love, I love when I'm here, you know what I'm saying? Listen, I wouldn't want it any other way. Cause I used to love it when they said what I couldn't do. I was too short for what I was too slow for. That motivated me to prove them wrong. Dude. I used to love when the Steelers would draft a linebacker, dude, especially at my position. A linebacker in my position. I don't care if it was in the first round, the seventh round, bruh, I didn't care. I'm like, oh, okay, so you trying to replace me and I'm putting it in my head. Cause I'm short, I'm slow, and later on, you know, I'm getting old. Motivation activated, bro. I could probably sit there and tell

[Joe Hayden]

you the linebackers they drafted from 2007

[Joe (Co-host)]

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[Julian Edelman]

Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules. All right, real quick. Take a look at yourself right now.

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[Joe (Co-host)]

12, 13, maybe 16.

[Joe Hayden]

17.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Actually 17 because TJ was the last one.

[Joe Hayden]

Before that, the very first two was. Was Timmons and Woodley.

[Joe (Co-host)]

After that, they came right back and went with Bruce Davis.

[Joe Hayden]

2009.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I don't know if they got nobody in nine.

[Joe Hayden]

I want to say maybe. I don't know either, but somewhere between like 9 and 10, I know they

[Joe (Co-host)]

got Jason Worlds and another dude. Gibson. Gibson, yeah. Yeah, that's what it was.

[Joe Hayden]

The next year, they backed that up with Chris Carter.

[Debo Harrison]

What year was they. What year they gonna get bugged?

[Joe (Co-host)]

They got Bud, and I want to say it was like 50, I think they got bud and chicken low in 15. And then they went.

[Joe Hayden]

They backed that up, too, in 16 with dude named Feeney.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Feeney. Freak.

[Joe Hayden]

Not free.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It was Feeney. Oh, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Travis Feeney. Matter of fact, UCLA. Bruce Davis, Chris Carter and Travis Finger were all UCLA.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah. And then TJ and 17.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, shoot, dude, I. I got to the point, like, in.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I would say like 2000, between that 8 to 11, 12 frame, I had to start searching for the. For the negative. I'm like, yo, I need some motivation, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I need.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I need to hear what somebody say I can't do because I want to go out here and prove you. They trying to give me a. Like, I love that.

[Joe Hayden]

I love that, bro.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yo, Mike McCarthy, you made a statement, and the statement was this. When asked about the 2026 NFL Draft, McCarthy said, I'm hopeful that there would be a quarterback there at the right time for us. Now they talking about the 2026 draft, but if you go ahead and you look at the article, dude, he's not really saying he's going to draft the quarterback this year, okay. He's saying he's hoping the quarterback is there at the right time for us, okay? He's not saying he's going to go in here and get his quarterback. Yes. He knows he needs a quarterback. Everybody knows he needs a quarterback. He knows he needs a quarterback. That quarterback, I don't think is going to be found in this draft. Matter of fact, I kind of would bet a whole lot on it that he's not going to, you know, be found in this draft. And, like, when it comes down to it, Ty Simpson is the only other person that may be possibly available there, and I'm not taking him at the first maybe. What is we, 53? I don't know about taking him there, you know, and it's nothing more than just looking at, I guess, maybe having him compete as a maybe backup against

[Joe Hayden]

Mason Rudolph, you know, I don't know.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It's a hard decision for me because it's all dependent on what's on the board. And like we need o line. It's other things that are, that are more need. But all this, dude, all this can actually be easily changed if we go ahead and just say, hey, Rogers, hand him something. We ain't even got to talk about that. We'll worry about that next year. Like say, hey, Steelers, hey, look, start 25. He might work you up to something else, but give him something. Give me something.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think, Joe?

[Debo Harrison]

I think that he's saying it like, I don't think he understands the facts that like this article wrote, Will Howard is unproven. And what we've seen with Mason Rudolph, we don't think that he's going to be able to take us to the promised land. So these are just facts. Everybody sees what's going on. Everybody knows what's going on. So with Will Howard, I think he believes in Will, but he knows at the end of the day he's unproven. So if there's a quarterback that we can find that falls to the right position and Ty Simpson, if we don't like him at whatever, 20 something, maybe 53, maybe if he's some, he probably won't go that far down. But he's saying if somehow a quarterback falls to where we think that he can be good enough that we could take him, then we could take him. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I tell you what, if he plummet

[Joe (Co-host)]

to that 70, we got the grab.

[Debo Harrison]

If he does some, if, if it happens like what happened to Shador and he goes down to 70 something, he's there, pick him. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel you with the, the offensive line. If there's really, really good players that we can get to make our team solid, let's do it. If you think, though, that we do need Ty Simpson in that locker room to be able to. If Will Howard doesn't go, we know we have a Mason Rudolph. And if you need another quarterback, then if you think that he's the guy, then take him. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Because at the end of the day, Aaron, something, please.

[Debo Harrison]

What'd you say?

[Joe Hayden]

Let's get out of this bottom half.

[Debo Harrison]

That's what I'm saying. Because knowing at the end of the day, if Will Howard isn't the guy, you could still have the chance to get Ty Simpson in there, get some playtime. But if you don't think these quarterbacks are good enough at all. Let's see what we can do with Will Howard. We're building up our team anyway and see whatever happens next year. We know we need a quarterback. Go get one. You can give up our first round draft pick. We can give up things to make sure we can get up to pick whoever we need because then we don't need all the extra picks. We don't need all the extra stuff. We got a team. We need a quarterback. Go get him. Go do what we got to do to get that guy on the squad. So I hear what he's saying. I don't think he'll reach to go get the quarterback. But with that being said, looking at these rankings, we don't have any proven commodities on our squad. So that's why it looks. You don't. We don't know. So when you putting Will Howard against with Geno Smith, Tua Jacoby, Bryce Young. These dudes have NFL snaps. They've looked good at certain times, so it's hard to put Will Howard and or Mason Rudolph over top of them.

[Joe Hayden]

You know who at number three?

[Joe (Co-host)]

What? Cincinnati Bengals. You know how far they would fall once.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, Joey,

[Joe (Co-host)]

get on.

[Debo Harrison]

On board.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Come on over here with that black.

[Debo Harrison]

See, that's what I'm. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, hey, we.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We. Hey, we. We switching. They. They. Hey, you. I know you got Flacco, but. Hey, we switching, baby. We switching. I'm telling you, we coming. We coming up. We coming up.

[Joe Hayden]

Then we coming up.

[Debo Harrison]

He said he wanted to go younger, so I don't think we were looking at. I'm looking at the chat. They talking about get. Get Flacco in there.

[Joe (Co-host)]

No, that's just another old OG I'm gonna take.

[Debo Harrison]

I'm gonna take Rogers over, of course, but Flacco. Flaco's gonna be peanutty buddies compared to that 30 you talking about giving.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Hey, Rod, you ain't got no choice.

[Joe Hayden]

Flaco getting paid as a backup, bro. That's why.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That's doable.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

If he came in here, they got

[Joe (Co-host)]

to pay him more than what he's getting there as a known backup.

[Joe Hayden]

They're going to give him a chance.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I would think if you're going to get him as a, you know, veteran, like, give him a chance to possibly.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Things don't look right. I'm not in the, you know, off season, training camp.

[Debo Harrison]

I'm not. I'm not. I just seen it in there. I'm not interested.

[Joe Hayden]

I. I just.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm not interested you, man. You ain't. You ain't. You're interested, man.

[Debo Harrison]

I'm interested in Will Howard.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm interested in Howard, too.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I am

[Debo Harrison]

feelings.

[Podcast Narrator]

I start.

[Joe Hayden]

I started feeling a certain way being 30.

[Debo Harrison]

They say stuff. Just addressing what the coat Mike McCarthy was talking about the quarterback. No, we talking about Ty Simpson. If he falls to our spot, cool. But I'm rocking with Will.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yes.

[Debo Harrison]

That's what I'm rocking with.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah. Yeah, I said.

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't say.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I'm rocking with Will. I'd rather rock with Will and just

[Joe (Co-host)]

keep it going and say, you know what?

[Joe Hayden]

This is what we go do.

[Joe (Co-host)]

This is what we're doing. And if somebody else is there that we feel like can come in and add to the team, then we'll add them in and just say, hey, let's roll with Will. We're gonna see what we get. If it works, it works. If it doesn' he doesn't we pick up what we need next year or figure it out through the process of, you know, this year. Because Aaron ain't signed nothing today. Put some in front of him.

[Debo Harrison]

If we want to get the motion going, we got to just offer him something so we can know we're going to be sitting here.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Our new oc, Ryan Angelico, he had some high praise from his former head coach, Kevin o'. Connell. O' Connell said, Ange has a really good understanding of the run game and how to marry it together, how to marry the play action pass and keeping in the keeper game to base, then keep your game to your base way of running the football. He's been vital for me in the red zone over our four years together. So when you look at rather it's situational football, early down success, and how you tie it all together, he is so prepared for this opportunity and it's long over.

[Debo Harrison]

That's what I love to hear. Debo. He sounds like he listens to the Deebo and Joe Show.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Listen, he had the man for four years.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna give him.

[Debo Harrison]

No, no, no. A thousand percent. But I'm just saying, when I hear somebody that's speaking my same language, that's speaking the same thing that we try to say about the play action, about the run game, about marrying it together, about situational football, about winning it early down success, oh, my God. That's all we talk about. It sounds so simple and it sounds like, oh, no. When you're watching the game, like, why aren't they? No, you don't understand. You have to get a rhythm going. Marrying the run game, getting it started early, early down, success, which starts second and short. You get to those third and shorts those manageable situations where they don't know if you're going to run or you're going to pass. They can't just pin their ears back and just come after you. You're dictating pace. So when you're running the ball down someone's throat, there's nothing they can do but start putting more people in the box and trying to stop you. And if they can't, then you continue to do it. Continue to do it. And that's when you play action them and they're running down like we're going to stop the run and the ball is going over top of their heads. So when he's talking about marrying it, winning on early possessions, play action. I'm like, oh, my goodness, thank you. It sounds very simple, but this is exactly what I wanted to hear coming from Kevin o' Connell to OC that's speaking on his man, that's just going out on another opportunity. He doesn't have to speak this highly or just say about this knowledge of what he knows, but him saying it is music to my ears.

[Joe (Co-host)]

No question, brother. Look here, he was the passing game coordinator 2022 to 2025, okay? He stayed in the top six. He had. Well, except for one year and that was 25 being the year that was outside of the top six. But he was six, five, six and then he was outside of that. But that's kind of understandable considering the quarterback situation last year over there. So. So I think he's just, you know, putting it out there to. To Mike McCarthy and, you know, saying, you know, I heard you say you go be caught in the plays. So Okano is just saying, hey, look, you don't stole this man away from. Okay, so don't just give him the title and name. He can do the job, but let him try and do it. He is capable of doing it. He has done it over here with me, you know, and he's just letting him know you have someone there that can help if you're willing to take it. And I believe McCarthy is willing to do that because why else would he have hired him as his O.C.

[Debo Harrison]

yeah, you know, I love it. And then like you said, too, McCarthy, I hope, like you said, hiring people. I know he wants to call the offensive plays, but hiring, knowing you're not the smartest man in the room and being able to accept stuff that somebody else says, you know what I'm saying? It's going to be like a team effort, you know what I'm saying? You're listening to him, you're not. You don't have to go with everything he says. But knowing I know this man, he knows what he's talking about, you know what I'm saying? And being able to have like collaborate instead of just being like, no, no, no, this is the way it's going to be. So knowing that being able to use your coaches, yes.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Getting coaches that have the, you know, the credentials, the pedigree, they show that they could do it. And like you said, not wanting to be the smartest person in the room and being able to be like, yo, it's other ways better than mine, you know, and having a collaboration and accepting and, and be willingly, you know, looking to make things better and help and input from your staff, you know, and I think that's what we have here. But the Browns, Jim Haslam, he walked back his comments on Deshaun Watson from last year expressing optimism about his future. He says it's not far, it's not for lack of effort. Okay. I mean, I don't think anybody in the organization would question his effort, his toughness, everything he puts into the job. Desean has a great chance, a fresh start with an offensive minded coach who has in the past been able to work with all kinds of different quarterbacks and make them successful. So desean has a great chance to do that. Now Joe, listen here, let me tell you something. Joe, let me tell you something. Yo, here the Browns go double talking again and this time it's your owner Jimmy has.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, you know what?

[Joe (Co-host)]

I understand now why your boy Andrew Barrett is, is, you know, I see where you're getting, you know, like this

[Joe Hayden]

is, this might be a cleaning thing,

[Joe (Co-host)]

you know what I'm saying? Like he's getting, you know, when you get there, I guess it, it kind of get ingrained into you or something like that, you know, that's the only thing I could think of, Joe, like why, why? To change, you know why. To change your heart by, by, you know, Mr. Haslam. Because, you know, I don't, I don't know, maybe hold up maybe is cause you're your GM. Mr. Barry over there, he said all of his quarterbacks would be expected to compete for the starting job or have a chance to, to, to compete for the starting job. They're actually trying to maybe show a united front A direction, maybe a purposeful position in here.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, I know, Joe. That would be like catastrophic in Cleveland.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You know, that's the total opposite of the way that, you know, y' all work over there.

[Joe Hayden]

But, Joe, you tell me what you think.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I mean, that I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

You tell me.

[Debo Harrison]

If you give somebody $250 million, you're going to believe it. My man Jimmy hasn't. He's going to believe in them until the wheels fall off.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, he wasn't saying that just previously.

[Debo Harrison]

What did he say previously? What did he say?

[Joe Hayden]

Well, he was kind of down.

[Debo Harrison]

He was down on him, okay. But now he's just seeing that he's back. He's been working, he's been rehabbing, you know, So, I mean, that's what he's saying. I don't agree, but if you. If I'd have paid him 250, and at first you would have thought, you know what I'm saying, he's not going to be able to come back. It would have looked like a big swing and a miss. Now he's been rehabbing, he's getting back, right? He's looking healthy. And this is from the owner's perspective.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, I mean, when you say he's

[Joe (Co-host)]

a swing and a miss, he's swinging a miss.

[Debo Harrison]

$250 million that you give to a quarterback, fully guaranteed swing and miss.

[Joe (Co-host)]

How you go. How you go? Come back and just go off that.

[Debo Harrison]

What'd you say? Because he got. I mean, I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

He did it.

[Debo Harrison]

I didn't do it. I'm just trying to talk for what looked like happened. I wouldn't have did it. I wouldn't. The swinging, the miss, he could still. The reason why he's saying it because say he comes out and balls out this year, ball's out, brings the Browns to the playoffs. He's saying it could still not be all bad. I don't think it's going to happen. He's just speaking, best case scenario, he's the owner of the team. He the one that gave him the bag. He's the one that said, oh, that could have been a swing and a miss when he wasn't playing, when he was getting hurt. Now he's looking like he's rehabbing. He's doing everything he can to get back. So from Jimmy Haslam's perspective, he's saying if he goes out there, new coach, you know what I'm saying, he's been training, he's been rehabbing, he looks good. He.

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[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules. All right, real quick, take a look at yourself right now.

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What's wrong?

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Nothing's wrong. You look like a guy running on three hours of sleep and vibes.

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[Debo Harrison]

He ends up going out there and balling. It could be a completely different story than him getting the whole 200 already and not really performing at all. So I think that's what he was saying. I think since deshaun Watson when he was the real like not not the real desean Watson, but he was healthy playing with Houston. That was six, seven years ago. And now the big thing that made desean he could run and he could pass. He was dual threat. He could use his legs and he could throw the ball. Once you start losing that speed, that agility, he's starting to just become kind of a one trick. It's going to be more your pocket passing. You're going to have to be able to stand in the pocket. You're going to have to be more of Tom Brady. Tom Brady could never run. He was always going to be efficient because his presence, his knowledge and this ball placement. Once you get less athletic when you are a running quarterback, it starts to make you have to just depend on that other part of your game. Not the escapability but the accuracy part. So I'm looking at desean, like loving him to death. But for me, I don't know if he's still going to be having those same type of twitchiness, that same type of movement like RG3. He had his knee and he's never wasn't able to just move the same way. DeSean Watson, he's not getting any younger. This is a long time in the league now. So just those injuries, him not being able to be as mobile. I don't know if he's going to be as successful as we saw the Deshaun Watson that was worth every penny of the 250. So right now with me, I'm still letting Shador go there. He was the starting quarterback. I understand competing you're going to say that, but you're going to have to. Sean's going to have to show us something to take the job from Shador. We give him some accurate. We give him some more weapons, some receivers, some line. Give him a chance. If he doesn't look good, you put desean in there after game seven eight. If Shador's not looking good and Shador is not succeeding, he's out there throwing picks and just doing the same things. He doesn't look like he's making growth and reading coverages and not just retreating in the in the pocket, you know what I'm saying? He looks like he's poised and it's not his bag. We're scoring averaging 24, 25 points a game. He's throwing 272 touchdowns, you know what I'm saying? No, a couple maybe like say after eight games we got 12 touchdowns, four or five picks, okay, boom. We're working, we're figuring it out. It's not your bad that we're losing, but we can. Are people performing around you? How's the defense plan? How's the special teams playing? It just don't need it to be strictly on him. So for me, I'm going with Shador Young. Give him weapons, give him a chance for real to really go with Todd Monken. If it doesn't work out, we still have desean there to so like, like Jimmy said, not completely fall off and swinging the miss on the 250. So we still got those two quarterbacks there, see what's happening and then if it doesn't, we do got to go get a quarterback again. But we've been in that situation a thousand times before. But right now we got Shador, which I like. We have Desean at a $43 million deal that he's like, working out. He's trying to get back and see what he can do so those two quarterbacks can get us through the season, in my opinion. So that's. That's how I'm rocking.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay.

[Debo Harrison]

How do you feel about that? How do you feel about that? Give me something like. I think. Do you think that's it?

[Joe Hayden]

I. I think. I think.

[Joe (Co-host)]

This is going to sound crazy because it's just crazy, but I think they're trying to show a united front here, actual direction, you know, purpose, you know, of what it is they want to accomplish, and they trying to put it out there. The DM is putting it out there. He's putting it out there. And, you know, to hear that in Cleveland, you know, you know, common sense ain't common no more, and it damn sure ain't common in Cleveland, you know, so to hear that and think that, you know, they may actually be trying to get something together, it's. It's kind of confusing.

[Debo Harrison]

So what do you. What are you thinking? What are you thinking? Do you think. Do you. Why do you think he made the complete 180? Do you think it's because of what I said?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Listen, man, I. I'm thinking this right here, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm thinking maybe, you know, he trying to see if he can't dump off

[Joe (Co-host)]

your boy Deshaun to somebody, see if he can, you know, put it out.

[Debo Harrison]

He's looking good.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He can't. He can be. He can be what it was that we thought he was gonna be. You know, maybe want to press some

[Joe Hayden]

of that, you know, that. That guarantee off on somebody else. It's only a year left, you know.

[Debo Harrison]

I don't know, Joe.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I don't know. But, I mean, the optimistic thing for you in the Cleveland Browns is they done got together. They say, you know what, man, we go do this the right way. We're gonna show a united front in the process and direction in which we going, and we're gonna stick to it. You go say. I'm saying we all go see, but it's Cleveland. They probably stumped up. Like, they stumbled on this. It was accident.

[Debo Harrison]

We gonna mess around and keep on getting this long. We just need to keep on not doing. Doing the obvious thing, which is get talent in the spots that we don't have it. Wide receiver and continue to get our offensive line right when we have these skill positions. Running back, quarterback. I like our quarterback. We like our tight end defense already. We doing good. Bringing the pieces in.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Just don't start doing fantasy tight end Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Is he tightening?

[Debo Harrison]

I got both. We got Juggins and we got my man Fofo at tight end who was gonna be Pro Bowl. Yes, sir. So both of them rookies locked in.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, I like, I like him. I like. I didn't like him when we played.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah, you know, he cost me. He called me.

[Joe Hayden]

But yeah, you know, as a. As a player. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him. Your boy Shador, yo, he's.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He's. Hey. He's switching from the 12 to the 2. That's his. The door will be wearing number two in 2026, the number he wore throughout his college at his career at Jackson State and Colorado. He couldn't wear two, I guess, last season because a veteran wide receiver Carter already had, forcing him to take number 12. Carter is no longer on the team.

[Debo Harrison]

Yo,

[Joe (Co-host)]

look here, man. What do you think is the reason he's switching the numbers?

[Debo Harrison]

Because, bro, he loves number two. Number two. What's his number? He always rock number two. He has a connection with number two. You know, look good, feel good, play good. He always wore it. That's his jersey coming in. The vet had it, and you know how that goes. But he tried to get him to pay for it. Shador was a fifth round pick. Money looking funny. A little bit. He was like this, Nah, that's what I'm not gonna do.

[Joe Hayden]

Money wasn't looking funny, man.

[Debo Harrison]

He ain't want to pay.

[Joe Hayden]

He got all that money in Colorado.

[Debo Harrison]

You know what he did? You know what he did? Money wasn't looking for funny. He did. Debo. He just went cheap. He just didn't want to pay for it. That's what he did. He got the money. He had the money, but he was chilling. So he's like, you know what? I'm not going to pay for that. I'mma rock this 12. See what's up. I'm going just make it. You know what I'm saying? That's 21 backwards. That's my dad's number. You know what I'm saying, Pop? Still could be good. Then my man gets let go. He's no longer on the team. Two becomes available. It's the number that I want. Very, very similar. When I was in the Steelers, I wanted 23. Mike Mitchell tried to buy it, tried to buy it. Kept on raising the price rating. He was like, no, no, no. I got too much attachment to. I'm like, God damn, Mike. So I had to go to Rob G and buy 21 off. Rob G for the low. You know what I'M saying Rob G looked out, so I'm in Stillers. They weren't playing. They look like, nah. Joe, you got the bear. What's up? Rob G was like, man, give me 24. So I had to pay for 21. Next year, my good man Mike Mitchell, love him to death. Got released. So then the 23 was there. Got the 23 for the free. I wanted 23 the whole time. This gives me Shador vibes. He wanted two, didn't want to pay for it, Went Deebo on it. Now two came available, gets it for the free. 99. He's happy, he's in his number, he's ready. He wanted it from the beginning, but he wasn't trying to pay. And now he paid. He got it for free. Jersey number came open. Now he's going to be two, I feel like, for the rest of his career, because it's just the number that he wanted the whole time, no question.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Listen, bro, I don't think people understand how getting that number that you balled

[Joe Hayden]

in, that you was a dog in,

[Debo Harrison]

can make you feel you have a little. That's your number and like you wore it your whole life, you know what I'm saying? It just that it just makes you feel like when you go into your locker and now you playing in the NFL, you got Shador Sanders number two. Like that's your stuff. Like that's never going no matter what. Once you retire, you got that Shador Sanders NFL 2. Like, I wanted to switch my jersey number when it went single digits. I wanted to have a number five so bad. I was like, man, just gimme one more year. This my 13th year, I could have went single digit. I just wanted a five. Hayden, like, I wore Florida. Oh, would have been lovely. Couldn't do it. So I understand what the numbers. That numbers mean a lot, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, bro, I totally understand it.

[Joe (Co-host)]

100, matter of fact, three, number three

[Joe Hayden]

and number three I will never touch.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Let me give you this.

[Debo Harrison]

That's a fire. That's a fire number. Single digit.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Three, bruh. Listen, let me tell you why, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

So I was 16 throughout my high

[Joe (Co-host)]

school career, you know what I'm saying? So I go and I switch to number three my senior year because it was a new jersey and I had dogged mine. Mine had all.

[Debo Harrison]

What number did you start?

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[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay, 16. So I go and I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna switch to three because it's

[Joe Hayden]

a brand new jersey.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You know, it's my senior year. All the other stuff you know what I'm saying? I wanted, I wanted to be clean because mine had war wounds on it, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

You know what happened, bro?

[Joe (Co-host)]

I got suspended three games my senior year. Lost every scholarship offer I had except for Kent State. I could have went almost anywhere, bro. I had oh State, I had Notre Dame, I had Nebraska, bro. Back when Lawrence Phillips was there, they

[Joe Hayden]

wanted me for running back.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Those, those teams wanted me for running back. It was Michigan and Michigan State. They wanted me for linebacker, dude. As soon as as I was able to get back on the field in college, it took me two years, bro, because I tricked off two years in college. So I only got to play three years of my time in college. And back then as soon as you hit college, your time started.

[Joe Hayden]

So it don't matter if you was

[Joe (Co-host)]

on the team or not. Your clock was running.

[Debo Harrison]

There's no red shirt.

[Joe (Co-host)]

So my second year on the squad, I was able to get to 16, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

I was back.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I was back.

[Debo Harrison]

Why did the 3D? Why did the 3 feel like you got suspended for the 3?

[Joe Hayden]

That 3.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That 3, bro. That bro. That 3 was dangerous, bro. Listen, I ain't touching that.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it was.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Well, I know it wasn't three, but it was a lot of self destruction stuff, you know what I'm saying? Hell, the two years, bro. Listen to this. This is how bad it was, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

The two years that I was out.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay? My senior year, I left high school at 195 pounds.

[Debo Harrison]

Wow.

[Joe (Co-host)]

By time I to play again, Bruh, I was 270 pounds, right? I will never forget 80 pounds. Once I walked on, bruh. 270 pounds, bro. I never forget, bruh. The first spring practice I ended up walking on. At that time, my head coach was actually Dean Peace. He was the D coordinator for what like the Patriots, the Ravens, I think it was a couple other teams. Okay, so they got us like running around the track, you know, doing, you know, doing the running. And then you know, they bring you up at the end, sit you down and you know, he do his talk. This is first year there. So he just came in.

[Joe Hayden]

So the coach that actually brought me

[Joe (Co-host)]

in as a prop was gone. They fired him. He's gone. I never even got to do anything with the team, bro. So like, so bruh, I'm sitting there and he's going, you know, he's doing this, you know, he's doing his lines and he hits something like, you know, if you can't do it or you know, or if you don't want to do it, basically, you know, if you're lacking the effort, you know, we don't need you here. So, you know, you know, basically, get

[Debo Harrison]

your ass out of here, bro.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And I'm sitting there, Joe, Joe, Joe. I'm walking laps. I am so out of shape. I am walking laps and I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh, he talking to me, talking to me.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, hey, Joe. Oh, hey, Joe. He talking to me.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You, man. Hey, hey, I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, Joe, I'm looking, I'm looking. I'm looking at the door like this.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm like, I'm about to get up right now and smack out. Out this. I'm like, I am gone, bruh. And as I'm sitting there, the thought that go through my head, I'm like, you know what? Yeah, he talking to me. He's saying. He's saying, I can't do it. He's saying, I. I ain't even got the wind.

[Debo Harrison]

Saying, you ain't got the wind?

[Joe Hayden]

I. I need that negative.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I need that negative motivation.

[Joe Hayden]

That kicked in, bro.

[Joe (Co-host)]

As soon as that kicked in, I'm

[Joe Hayden]

like, yeah, I'm staying here. I'll show you.

[Joe (Co-host)]

No wrong, bro. And the crazy thing is the relationship I have with. With Coach P's right now, like, it's crazy from there on, even today. Like, I recently just talked to him probably last week, week before last, like. And, dude, matter of fact, we're gonna have to get him on here. He could tell you, dude, like, how terrible I was, dude. Like, it was in embarrassing, bro. Yeah, the shape that I. Bro, it

[Joe Hayden]

took me a good.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It took me a good year and a half. Damn near two years to get back.

[Joe Hayden]

By the time I got back, I was.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I was 236 and a half percent.

[Debo Harrison]

See, he. He had you. You ain't gonna quit on yourself, Debo. That's what you ain't gonna do, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm sitting there and I'm looking, bro,

[Joe (Co-host)]

and I'm like, oh, God, he talking to me. I'm. No, I'm about to leave.

[Joe Hayden]

No, he about to be just talking to me.

[Debo Harrison]

Crazy, bro. Straight up, bro. But you was out there. You was out there walking laps, though. You. So you knew he was talking to you.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I couldn't run, bro. After one lap, bro. My back was locked up so tight.

[Joe Hayden]

I was out there like I was

[Joe (Co-host)]

eight months pregnant, holding.

[Joe Hayden]

Hold my back like this, bro.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Trying to get around the track.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah, it's a cardio, right, man,

[Joe Hayden]

it was bad.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It was it was so bad with

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