Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Waddle TRADED to Broncos + should Steelers bet on Will Howard? + Shedeur Year 2 Plans

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Waddle TRADED to Broncos + Should Steelers Bet on Will Howard? + Shedeur Year 2 Plans
Date: March 17, 2026
Host: James "Deebo" Harrison
Co-Host: Joe Hayden (and "Joe", presumed producer/co-host)

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Episode Overview

This lively NFL-focused episode of Club Shay Shay zeroes in on recent league moves, hot rumors, and the co-hosts’ personal takes on quarterback controversies, AFC North power rankings, and blockbuster trades—especially Jalen Waddle's trade to the Broncos and the outlook for Shedeur Sanders’ sophomore season. James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Hayden, both former NFL standouts, mix insider analysis with unfiltered banter and plenty of franchise pride (and trash talk).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Pittsburgh Steelers Quarterback Debate: Is Will Howard The Guy?

[04:18–11:05]

• The episode opens with fan chatter about Will Howard, a controversial third-string QB for the Steelers, and whether he deserves a chance.
• Joe and Deebo defend Will Howard, emphasizing that their support is genuine—not performative.
  • Joe Hayden: "I'm telling you who I like, because that's what it is." (06:37)
• Michael Pittman Jr.’s comments on playing with Hall of Fame QBs like Aaron Rodgers are discussed.
  • Deebo: "Whenever you have a chance to play with a Hall of Fame quarterback, you always take that." (07:14)
• Both hosts agree: if Rodgers returns, he starts. If not, the competition between Mason Rudolph and Will Howard is wide open.
  • Deebo: "I'll say, hey, Mason Rudolph, I don't know about really good, but that's me because that's what I'm gonna say now." (08:06)
• The need to boost team confidence in quarterbacks, even when personal doubts remain.

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2. Cleveland Browns’ O-Line Revamp & Shedeur Sanders Year 2

[11:12–16:20, 20:04–22:41, 36:49–43:38]

• The hosts react to the Browns’ new offensive line signings—Titus Howard, Zion Johnson, Teven Jenkins, Trayvon James—amid past struggles (“second worst O-line in the NFL”).
  • Deebo: "The boy gave up 51 sacks last year...offensive line was ranked second worst in the NFL." (12:18)
• Concerns are raised about run vs. pass blocking and the health/durability of new signings.
• The discussion transitions to Shedeur Sanders’ development:
  • Joe Hayden: “That's Deion's son. He's been studying film his whole life.” (20:04)
  • The line must improve to support Shedeur, and faith is expressed in coach Todd Monken to develop the second-year QB.
• The Browns’ ongoing roster-building, cap-space moves, and WR shopping are referenced.
• Joe’s optimism about the Browns ties into their planned new stadium, with dreams of "hosting—and playing in—a Super Bowl" (37:55–38:17).

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3. AFC North Power Rankings—Bold Bets and Hometown Bias

[24:10–31:06, 36:39–37:38]

• The co-hosts debate which AFC North team will next win a Super Bowl:
  • Joe initially names the Browns, but concedes under pressure that the Steelers are more likely, followed by Ravens/Bengals/Browns.
    • Joe Hayden: “Honestly...It is the Steelers, then the Ravens, then the Bengals, then the Browns. Because when I really—the only reason why...” (29:07)
  • Deebo dryly needles Joe about Browns fandom and makes a "recruit Joe Burrow to Pittsburgh" joke:
    • Joe (co-host): “We get Joe Burrow...that’s gonna guarantee it.” (30:38)
• Broader points: Defense and QB play determine divisional power—and who’s just bluffing.

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4. BLOCKBUSTER: Jalen Waddle Traded to the Broncos

[31:34–36:00]

• News breaks mid-episode: Jalen Waddle is traded from Miami to Denver for a first, third, and fourth-round pick (Broncos also get a fourth back).
  • Joe Hayden: “That’s a good move. That’s a great move for the Broncos.” (31:50)
  • Deebo: “Bleacher Report called obtaining Waddle the dream trade scenario for the Broncos this offseason.” (33:05)
• The co-hosts support “going for it” by dealing picks for an established young WR.
  • Joe Hayden: “If you think...one of these young dudes are going to come in and be like a Waddle—he's going to be playing right now. Do it.” (33:36)
• For Denver, the move is seen as a final piece to test Bo Nix as the potential franchise QB.

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5. Ravens WR Drama: DeAndre Hopkins’ Role and Frustrations

[45:36–48:41]

• D-Hop’s deleted tweet about being underused in the red zone draws analysis.
• The hosts discuss how aging receivers’ roles diminish, but also fault both game-planning and quarterback play.
  • Joe Hayden: "I think D. Hop is still an amazing player...but you lose a step. Still not the same speed, the explosiveness." (46:55)
  • Deebo: "I feel like they could have used him a little more...but...it wouldn't have benefited us." (47:56)

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6. Raiders & Max Crosby: Locker Room Dynamics and Loyalty

[48:42–53:38]

• After rumors of Max Crosby’s trade unhappiness, both hosts argue he’ll remain a professional if he stays—a “hired gun” who’ll perform.
  • Joe Hayden: "I think his professionalism won't let him...you know he got a job to do." (49:48, 51:41)
• The new head coach and DC, with whom Crosby reportedly gets along, make a difference in the locker room climate.
• Larger point: NFL players must separate business/feelings from on-field focus and effort.

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7. Persona, Mentality, and Identity On and Off the Field

[53:41–58:42]

• Deebo and Joe reveal how their on-field intensity and aggression (even “kill face”) differs from their real-life personalities.
  • James 'Deebo' Harrison: "The second I put on my cleats and I'm across the line, I'm in a different environment. I'm thinking about murder, man." (54:03)
  • Both agree: it’s a form of mindset protection and necessity for survival in the NFL trenches.
• Funny anecdotes about being recognized by fans post-NFL, losing their "don't talk to me" aura:
  • Joe Hayden: “They see this...they like, Oh, this man—hey, man, I got a softer side, bro.” (57:59)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Deebo on team loyalty: “You control what you can control and what he can control is being the best wide receiver he can possibly can.” (09:18)
• Joe Hayden on trade urgency: "The boy gave up 51 sacks last year...offensive line was ranked second worst in the NFL." (12:18)
• On new Browns stadium:
  • Joe Hayden: "I got to see where the confetti’s gonna be falling from, where I’m gonna be at. I’m gonna be on the sideline. That’s where I’m gonna be." (43:12)
• Deebo on in-game mentality: "The second I put on my cleats and I'm across the line, I'm in a different environment. I'm thinking about murder, man." (54:03)

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Important Timestamps

• Will Howard QB debate – 04:18–11:05
• Browns O-line & Shedeur outlook – 11:12–16:20; 20:04–22:41; 36:49–43:38
• AFC North Power Rankings – 24:10–31:06; 36:39–37:38
• Jalen Waddle to Broncos (blockbuster trade) – 31:34–36:00
• DeAndre Hopkins’ usage/Ravens WR drama – 45:36–48:41
• Max Crosby & locker room loyalty – 48:42–53:38
• NFL player persona (on/off field) – 53:41–58:42

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends sharp NFL analysis with fun, inside-the-fraternity storytelling and banter. Whether you care about the Steelers’ QB room, the Browns’ perpetual rebuilds, or how star defenders get their "game face" on, Deebo and Joe keep it candid, passionate, and thoroughly entertaining—never far from a hot take, a laugh, or a call-out to their old rivals.

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[Joe (Co-host)]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

How you doing today?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing great, brother Debo. I'm doing pretty good. But honestly, let me get right into it. I wake up, you know what I'm saying? Get ready for the show, do my little thing. I chap in, see what the chat's talking about. And we got US Citizen 69. That threw my whole vibe off this morning. Talking about some Are we gonna have more Will Howard talk? Talking about a third stringer every morning. Talking about third stringer, whatever.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

And then he says all these retired players pretending to be all in on Will Howard just to see what he can do. You were a thousand percent not have had that same attitude if they were still playing. Seeing it with Big Ben as a first rounder. Next thing. Okay, Ben was Taking over a quarterback that got hurt and was a QB for a football league that exited for one season, Existed for one season. Do you hear that, Debo?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Listen, man. Don't know what you're talking about. When Ben went in there we was.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We had his back.

[Joe (Co-host)]

What are you talking about? We went to the afc. Well, one game from the AFC championship.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen, u. S. Citizen, he probably ain't even definitely show me your. Show me. Show me. Show me your paper.

[Joe (Co-host)]

All right.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Show me your paperwork. Six, nine. Get out there. Six, nine. And uncover your mouth, boy. Maybe that way you can think thousand.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause what's going. Was. What throws me off is all these pretending. No, nobody's pretending nothing. If I. If you. If.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

If.

[Joe (Co-host)]

If I.

[Joe Hayden]

Whatever I say is what I feel, whatever I. That. That's what I'm gonna give you. If I'm not. If I don't. If I feel like I like Will Howard, I want to give him a shot. That's. That's legit. Sometimes people go, I don't want to reach. If I don't see anybody that I like in the draft. These quarterbacks, people fall in love with dudes. I don't have to. You know what I'm saying? Josh Rosen was. This was picked like 7th or 10th pick before Lamar Jackson. Why. Falling in love with these dudes. And he was. And he was not good. And nobody says nothing then. So you can like who you like. You don't have to like who you don't like. So I'm saying there's no pretending. If I tell you I like. I'm telling you who I like, because that's what it is.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm telling you what I like to see. I like to see the boy get a chance.

[Joe Hayden]

Tell me about it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That's. That's what we're saying.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You understand?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We don't need to reach. But you know what? I might.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I might. I might block your punk ass.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you know.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying. See, you know, got me into Joe. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't even know why you. My bad, Debo. My bad.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know what, man?

[Joe Hayden]

You know why?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Because we go today, man. I might have to go today, man. Get the good love. Listen, my God, my guy, Pittman Jr. He gave.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He gave. He gave an endorsement.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He said.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He said, whenever you have a chance. Well, he said whenever you have a

[Joe (Co-host)]

chance to play with a hall of fame quarterback, you always take that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He said we also have two really

[Joe (Co-host)]

good quarterbacks here in Mason and Will, so whatever ends up turning out, I think we'll have a good plan offensively and we'll, we'll make the most of it. Joe, love his attitude. He was in Indy. The quarterback situation there was fluid.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yes, I'll say.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I think he played with almost what, nine, ten different quarterbacks when it came down to it through his career. So he has a, a great understanding of how, how quickly things can change in the NFL, but the mindset, it

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

has to remain the same.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay, and that's what he should be saying. Now me, on the other hand, I could say, well, yeah, he's saying we got two really good quarterbacks.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'll say, hey, Mason Rudolph, I don't know about really good, but that's, that's, that's me because that's what I'm gonna say now. If I was on the team, I'm gonna say the same thing. You gotta go ahead, you gotta help the guys out, you gotta boost their confidence. What I got in Will Howard, I don't know because I haven't had a

[Joe (Co-host)]

chance to see what, what he can do in the NFL. I seen what he did in college and I love what he did.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay, so what he's saying, totally understand.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And the possibilities of him having a

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hall of Fame quarterback caliber quarterback come

[Joe (Co-host)]

back, that's, that's, that's understandable.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The knowledge that he can get of

[Joe (Co-host)]

the game and the things that need

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

to, needs to be done, you know,

[Joe (Co-host)]

from being able to play and, and get the ball and learn and all that under Aaron Rodgers, that would be a great thing for him and for someone of that caliber.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And you get to learn from them.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So this right here, Joe, I'm all for. I love it, I understand it.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And again, me sitting back, I just got, I ain't gonna say really Good on, on Mr. Rudolph. I just can't say that because I would be lying to myself and I don't need to lie to myself because I ain't playing. No.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, you're exactly right. So this is what I'm saying. I love the way that he did.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What?

[Joe Hayden]

I love everything Michael Pimmer said when he says, Aaron Rodgers, when you get a chance to play with a Hall of Fame quarterback, you don't give up the opportunity. And that's exactly what we're saying. If a rod were to come back, he's not going to be the backup. And what I'm saying is. That's obvious. That is, is what it is. You know what I'm saying? A rod comes back and he wants to be here for another year. You'll be back. You'll be the starting quarterback. You're not backing nobody up. You're Aaron Rodgers, and you came and did what you had to do. Last year wasn't your fault. So we know you're going to be able to write the ship. You'll be back here with McCarthy. So that's just respect him coming in the joint. He's played with so many different quarterbacks. He played with Rivers, he played with Wentz, he played with Ryan, he played with Richardson. You said like nine. There's a bunch of other quarterbacks he played with, so he knows it's fluid. You're going to be able to go in there and you don't control. You control what you can control. And what he can control is being the best wide receiver he possibly can. And anybody that's back there, he's going to be on his. When he needs to be running the slant, he's going to be on his distance, on his timing. He needs to be. He's going to know his job, he's going to know his assignment, he's going to know his alignment, he's going to know his technique. I love Pittman because when you this kind of player, you're not like, man, no, I'm not. Give me the ball. He's worried about what can I do best to make sure that the team is good. Not trying to make any headlines, making ways where if a rod were to come back, I would love to play with a Hall of Famer. We got two good quarterbacks in here. Will Howard, Mason, Rudolph, you know what I'm saying? Whoever is behind center, I'm ready to go because I'm gonna control what I can control. I'm just trying to be the best starting receiver for this team. Get the energy, get the vibes, do my part. You know what I'm saying? So I'm loving what he's doing, what he's saying, but at the same time, like, yeah, he's exactly right.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, Debo, I could say this is when he's giving.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It ain't even that, dude. It ain't even that. I just saw something.

[Joe Hayden]

You saw something else?

[Joe (Co-host)]

I just saw something. I just saw something on the. On the dock. And I just hate that I have to even bring it up.

[Joe Hayden]

No, it's the.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Man. It's the Browns. God damn. We gotta talk about the Browns. And I really, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you do. Oh.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So listen, the Browns went on here and they added some.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Some beef, you know, Some people to the, yeah, to the equation, you know. You know, help out your boys. Door. Titus Howard, he said, I met Shador when I came in last week. He's a great k. He has a lot of confidence. I like that in the quarterback. He definitely has the pedigree. He has all the talent in the world. I'm a big fan. I guess the Browns think that they could do something over there. And I will say yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, come on. Just tell me how you just, you

[Joe (Co-host)]

know, they, they,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

they had to do something. To hell with it. They had to do something. Okay, Joe. They had to do something.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Joe.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The boy gave up 51 sacks last year.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Joe.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

248 pressures. 167 hers. 50 quarterbacks.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes. Running for his life.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Offensive line was ranked second worst in the NFL, almost behind.

[Joe (Co-host)]

What was that? The Raiders.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The Raiders. Y' all was listening. If you go and just look at it, Joe, like, if you really go

[Joe (Co-host)]

and look at it like y', all, y' all could have been last when it came down. Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know, so anything that y' all do, whoever y' all sign is gonna be an upgrade.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You got, you got, you got Titus out. Okay, cool. You got him. You got him on a sit on what was three million three year extension. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't give up one sack last year.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He only allowed, what was it, fewer than two sacks in his last five of his seven seasons. But his run game blocking is questionable at best. He has difficulty being engaged and staying engaged with the defender.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And they said if he pull, don't

[Joe (Co-host)]

even count him to go ahead and get him, Joe.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, they said if he pulling around to get a block, don't even.

[Joe Hayden]

You're just trying to read into any negativity,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Joe. I'm just telling you what the people said. I, I, y' all gave Zion Johnson 349. 349.

[Joe Hayden]

5.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And he, he struggled in the past protection last year.

[Joe Hayden]

Struggled. They say it's new coaching staff. His run block, run blocking was amazing.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

Run blocking on point. And that's what, that's what we lie.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They say top tier when we get them percentile. Okay. But we ain't got to worry about passing the ball. Cause he can't block, he can't pass.

[Joe Hayden]

They get the run game on them and Judgins get the coming downhill on y'. All that play action, they gonna get to looking crazy. They're gonna be worrying about way too many other things. They're not gonna Just be pinning their ears back. It's gonna be third and two. They might get toted on.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You said y'. All.

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't mean. I didn't. I didn't. No, I didn't say y'.

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[Joe Hayden]

I meant anybody that the Browns were playing against. I didn't say y'.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Joe Hayden]

I said anybody that the Browns are playing against. I mean, I was saying it as an opponent. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, we getting it together over there. And OG OG Listen, y' all signed.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What was this? Trayvon James y' all gave that dude. What was it? Y' all gave him?

[Joe Hayden]

Four games last 24.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And. And then in Chicago, the four years he was in Chicago, the man missed 22 games because of injuries.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Who knows if he's gonna be good?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, he's gonna be. He's gonna be good. You know, you get the line.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just saying the best signing y' all probably did was the other Jenkins. Y' all gave him a two year 24, and that's because that man can

[Joe (Co-host)]

play anywhere on the line.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Guard, center, tackle versus right side, don't matter. But hey, everybody else, they got some questions, man.

[Joe Hayden]

No, see, look, got some questions.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Joe, what y' all doing?

[Joe Hayden]

He knows exactly what it is. Shador is. He's. He's a confident dude, believes in himself. And I know that he think he's puts the work in. I believe that he puts the work in. Hear these fake stuff that he's not trying to watch tape. How is he not?

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I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of the Fault in Our Stars and now, I guess also as the co host of the Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast.

[Daniel Alarcon]

I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.

[John Green]

For us, soccer football is a story we've shared for over 30 years, since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Very debatable.

[John Green]

And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Together we'll find out why. Of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important.

[John Green]

Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amber Grimes]

It's the new me and it's the old them.

[Joe Hayden]

Everybody's on their journey and your journey's different to theirs.

[Amber Grimes]

This Women's History Month, the podcast if youf Knew Better with Amber Grimes spotlights women who Turn missteps into momentum and lessons into power.

[Podcast Guest (Bronx Speaker)]

I think coming out of where I came from, I'm from the Bronx. I think I grew up really poor. I didn't know that then because I very much use my creativity to romanticize life. And I'm like, my mom did a really good job of, like, you step back and you're like, whoa.

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

We.

[Podcast Guest (Bronx Speaker)]

I don't know how we made it. So a lot of my life was, like, built out of, like, survival to get to the next place. Like, my drive, my, like, tunnel vision of, like, I got to be better. I got to achieve this was off the strengths of, like, I want to make a better life for us.

[Amber Grimes]

If youf Knew Better brings real talk from women who've lived it, unpacking, career pivots, relationship lessons, and the mindset shifts that changed everything. Listen to if youf Knew Better with Amber grimes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joe Hayden]

I watch the tape. That's Deion's son. He's been studying film his whole life.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yes, the weatherman. The weather lady is confident.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They give you that report every day.

[Joe (Co-host)]

How many times is it?

[Joe Hayden]

Right?

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

All I'm saying is you got to get a man tools, got to give him some protection, and this is his second year. So I just believe in, with time, the new offensive, the new coach, Todd Monkin. I love the way that he believes you gotta have. The first step is having a coach believe in you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, man, how you gonna get a guy that can't block, man? You want to win the ball?

[Joe Hayden]

What do you mean? We camera in the ball, all of them.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just saying, man. I'm saying, you got somebody over there

[Joe (Co-host)]

that's struggling in the realm, like, you know what I'm saying? They said that. What they said. That's what the people said.

[Joe Hayden]

Give them some. Give him some time. Get a whole team, Nick.

[Amber Grimes]

Our whole.

[Joe Hayden]

Let our unit get together. Give him some time to be together.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I must.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I need to. I need to put my prescription glasses on because I can't see.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What?

[Joe (Co-host)]

What? What you can't see?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Maybe you need some glass.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I see good.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I see real good when I put them on.

[Joe Hayden]

And look. And that's the other thing I was saying, too. And Andrew Berry, we still not done.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He boiling chicken.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I told you that.

[Joe Hayden]

He's still moving. He's still moving pieces. We still gotta just. We gonna clear Denzel. We gonna restructure Denzel Ward's contract to give us more Salary cap space and get more. Get, get more, get more. What? We need wide receiver. And we're gonna get another lineman.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So you saying he boiled his chicken first and then seasoned it out?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, listen, he's not rushing. He's not rushing. It's still, it's. He not even. He's. It's still, it's still when you put all the seasoning on it and it's. It's marinating right now. He's still in the marinating phase. He didn't even get the. It didn't. He didn't throw it in there yet.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, so he ain't even put it on the. He ain't doing nothing with it. I don't know what he doing with.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He just.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He just throwing seasoning on that thing.

[Joe Hayden]

It's marinating right now. Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I didn't even know you could dry aged chicken. I ain't know you could do that with chicken. I thought that got, you know, got rancid.

[Joe Hayden]

You probably do. You know, I. I know I ain't. No, I ain't the. I ain't a cook.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And he don't know how to cook either.

[Joe Hayden]

Shut up.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But I tell you what, we got

[Joe (Co-host)]

a chef over there in Pittsburgh, though.

[Joe Hayden]

See, I tried.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And, and listen, he cook American. And any, any, any cook some of that. That Latin food, too.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Omar Khan.

[Joe Hayden]

Omar Khan doing his thing. But Andrew Barry, I'm trying to tell you, we still got time. He knows what it is. We got to get the receivers right? We need to get like. Ah, Christian Kirk wouldn't be bad.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Hey, listen, I just seen something in the chat. I ain't gonna lie to you about it. They said Trent out there. Where is that?

[Joe Hayden]

Trent?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Where? Yeah, where he at? San Francisco. Williams, what's his name? Yeah, they say he out there. They say. They say he out there. But that money gonna be.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Ooh, wee.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He go, he gonna want a bag.

[Joe Hayden]

And that man came in. We came in the same year, 2010. He's still out there hooping.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You don't wanna bet

[Joe Hayden]

Silverback.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Go ahead, talk to him. See what he talking about. Ask him if you want to come on out here, get away from all them EMF signals, come on out to Pittsburgh.

[Joe Hayden]

That might not be.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Ain't good for you out there, man. You're getting older.

[Joe Hayden]

He is.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Ain't good for y'. All.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Can't be having your body.

[Joe Hayden]

Trent's free. For real? He a free agent?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I believe so, brother.

[Odoo Advertiser]

I believe so.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Unless.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Unless I'm misspoken. Chad, is he free? Free Let me know.

[Joe Hayden]

Because that man, he's nice.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Real nice.

[Joe Hayden]

Hall of Fame, first ballot, no question.

[Joe (Co-host)]

No question, brother, all the way. Hall of Fame, first ballot. Now let's go on over here to Cincinnati.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Now,

[Joe (Co-host)]

Jonathan Allen, he said this, bro. He said this is one of the few places I can compete for a Super bowl and have a chance to showcase my talent. When you see what they have on

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

the offensive side of the ball, that's

[Joe (Co-host)]

a dream for a defensive lineman. I think people would be lining up to play with a guy like Joe Burrow. And the offense they have. Then the young guys you have on the defense and the pieces you're adding, I think, I really think this team is going somewhere. Yes, the man said he think this team is going somewhere, Joe. So you signed him. Jonathan Allen, it was boy, Nuffy, I don't know. I don't know how you say that name.

[Joe Hayden]

And then Brian Cook.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Brian Cook, Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Right.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay. That is not making you a Super bowl championship. Sorry, Love the confidence, but that ain't happening. This is the same team that defense was ranked 31st.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

31st. They was giving up 380. Only people that was giving up more

[Joe (Co-host)]

than them was Washington and they was giving up 384.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So you might as well say it

[Joe (Co-host)]

was two last place defenses last year.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay? 147 in the run game, that was dead last. You was 28th against the pass, 233 a game. Along with that, you was only 28th on third down conversion. Y' all couldn't even get off the field. Okay. Giving up almost 29 points a game. Sorry, but you aren't making up for

[Joe Hayden]

all of that, Deebo. If I'm Jonathan Allen, I'm probably going to say the same thing. When I was with the, when you, if you're looking outside, looking in, you're a great player. You play defense. Your job is to, is to stop them from scoring. When you're looking at your offensive side of the ball, you see Joe Burrow, you see Jamar Chase, you see T. Higgins, you see that you're going to be able to score points. The reason why you're losing games isn't because of the, of the, of the, of the offensive side of the ball. It's because the defense side of the ball, it's because of the side of the ball that you play. So you can speak as highly possible on them. Like offense is going to do great. We're going to score points. Playing with Joe Burrow, playing with Jamar Chase, because they do put up numbers. But on the defensive side, he like, we gotta come there and like, him coming there. He's feeling like, now I'm gonna make the change to make our defense not as trash. And that's why he's saying it. When I left Cleveland, when I got released and I signed with Pittsburgh, it was because they had Big Ben, they had La'Veon Bell, they had Antonio Brown, they had Martavious Bryant. I was like, if I come there, I'm on the defensive side of the ball. My job is to help the defense stop. So if I'm Jonathan Allen, I'm saying the same thing. Because he's looking at the offense like, man, they gonna be fire. He's saying, all right, well, look, if I'm a player, that's what I'm gonna say. What do you want him to say? What do you want him to say? No, we gonna be trash. No, your offense is fire. You gotta do. You gotta do what you got to do on the defensive side, making sure they bring the right pieces. I know you may not. They might not have it all right now, but if I'm him, that's what I'm saying, too.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay, so.

[Joe (Co-host)]

So who do you see winning the super bowl in the AFC North? Which team do you see winning the Super Bowl? Force first in the AFC North? Like, who?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

This team.

[Joe (Co-host)]

This team. This team. This team. Number 1, 2, 3 and 4. Who is that, John? Give me your one. You say anything other than what I. It's gonna be a problem.

[Joe Hayden]

The first team that's gonna win the super bowl in the division is going to be.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Don't say nothing stupid. Don't say nothing stupid. I feel like you about to say something.

[Joe Hayden]

Who's. Who gonna say something stupid? Go ahead and you know who it's gonna be? Who? The Cleveland Browns.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Cleveland Browns ain't never won a Super Bowl.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They ain't even predicted to win a Super bowl in the next 40 years.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't care who predicted anything. I don't care. I don't care what they predict. Okay? I don't. I really don't.

[Joe (Co-host)]

All right, all right.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So who's second?

[Joe Hayden]

The Steelers.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Who third?

[Joe Hayden]

The Ravens.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Exactly.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And who dead last?

[Joe Hayden]

Bengals. All right, all right. Let me take my. Let me take. Let me take my. Let me take my other hat off then.

[Joe (Co-host)]

All right?

[Joe Hayden]

Honestly. Let me take my other hat off then. For real.

[Joe (Co-host)]

For real.

[Joe Hayden]

It is the Steelers, then the Ravens, then the Bengals, then the Browns. Because when I really. The only reason why.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, y' all hear that Brown spins out there. Man, listen to Joe, man, Listen to Joe, man. He said I can't lie on myself. Man, listen, my, My heart. My heart over here, clearly. But my. But if I tell this line, I stick on it, they gonna say, joe, ain't you got it? Joe, listen, man.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Joe, I want to stop you, right? Go ahead. You still had Cleveland dead last.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Now, I don't know. I don't know, but you had Cincinnati third.

[Joe (Co-host)]

This right here is from my guy, Joe Burrow. Brother, it's not too late. It's never too late. You still trying to prove about this. I want you. Listen, I want you to think about this. Joe. Joe, if they really loved you, Max Crosby still out there. Hey, he's still out there. And it ain't gonna cost you as much as you think it is no more because he's still out there. Joe, if they really loved you, they'd show you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, and the fact that they haven't

[Joe (Co-host)]

showed you, Joe, means we got the love sitting over here already. Joe, it's never too late. Never too late.

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[Joe Hayden]

You recruiting?

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[Joe Hayden]

Look, yes, please. We get Joe Burrow, then, then it's putting the Steelers right, right to the ship. All I need is missing the quarterback. I mean, that's. That's gonna guarantee it.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not talking about Will Howard no more. We get Joe Burrow. I mean, nothing to talk about.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Damn.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

What you want me to say? If you get Joe Barbara, what you gonna do? Be like this? No, we gotta go in the back office.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, man, you got to. Hey, listen, man. Go ahead, learn. Not the joke. Come on, man.

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[Joe Hayden]

I mean, you like this. Oh, whoa, whoa. You just gonna throw? What happens?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm like, debo, come on.

[Joe Hayden]

What you gonna do?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, man, listen, man. Hey, listen, brother, brother, I'm telling you,

[Joe Hayden]

like, man, you got just a little bit.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Y' all ain't saying you gotta go nowhere, but you gotta sit back and we gotta do your co Mo, you

[Joe (Co-host)]

know, couple more years sitting there, you know, so learn.

[Joe Hayden]

Looking like we got some little news, though, Debo.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We got some news.

[Joe Hayden]

We got Jaylen. Jaylen Waddle got traded to the Broncos.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He got traded to the Bronco.

[Joe Hayden]

That would have looked like

[Joe (Co-host)]

from Miami to the Broncos.

[Joe Hayden]

That's.

[Daniel Alarcon]

That's.

[Joe Hayden]

That. That's a good move. That's a great move for the Broncos.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Listen, man, the altitude over there is something real.

[Joe Hayden]

I, I. Yes, I, I hear you, but, man, Jada, he's going to be. Waddle is going to be floating out there,

[Joe (Co-host)]

bruh. I can't. I don't know, man. The way that thing, the way that stuff do me, that do me bad out there, man.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy. It ain't even. I. I don't know. I must. It didn't affect me like that,

[Joe (Co-host)]

brother. Blockbuster trade. Good Lord. According to Adam Scheffner, the Denver receives waddle and dolphins 4th round pick, 11th in the round and this year's draft. So Miami receives Broncos first. They got a first round pick for him, dude. Along with their late third and fourth picks in this year's draft. Bleacher Report called obtaining Waddle the dream trade scenario for Denver Broncos this offseason.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Brother.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That much? That, that much that.

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Would you gave up that.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, they gave up. It was the first round pick and what. It was the first first, the third, fourth, and they gave up. They got Waddle in the fourth.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, they were. Yeah.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Denver gave up a first, a third and a fourth, and they got Waddle and a fourth. So they basically gave us.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, I'm more of the mindset of, I can see when you're a team that, you know, I need a receiver, somebody that's nice. I don't want to go draft someone in the first round. Those first round picks, I mean, they're good, but I'm like, if you really trying to get an established player that you already know is nice and it's a need for your team, I like when teams sometimes go get it. So if you think there's going to be a first and a third, you don't think one of these young dudes are going to come in and be like a waddle. He's going to be playing right now. Do it. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not mad at them.

[Joe (Co-host)]

But there was one step away from fighting for the. Fighting for the, you know, the Lombardi.

[Joe Hayden]

When you in those spots, other teams, if you're like, you know, you got so much to lose, you need those picks that you can build. Taking time. We're more than one step away with the Broncos. Them dudes are nice. The defense was amazing. Just looking at giving Bo Nix that they like them. They just trying to help him out. All right, now we give you waddle. You guys, you have Cortland Sutton, you know what I'm saying? Like, we just trying to give you the weapons needed to see if you're the quarterback that we need. You know what I'm saying? Like, we gonna get. We gonna give you the guys around you. Now we know if you're gonna get the bag or not. Like it's coming to that time. Bo, are you gonna be 60 million a year? Like are you the franchise quarterback force? We gonna give you all the attributes around to see what it look like, you know what I'm saying? So I like when Denver does things like this or good teams make picks. I mean don't use the draft picks and just go get somebody that they know that's going to be an instant plug and play instead of like, oh no, we could draft this dude here, you know what I'm saying? And next thing you know, he's not good. He's fast but he's ah, he just doesn't adapt to the NFL game. He just can't get open. And we like this. Oh man, he look good but you know, waddle. He's going to get open, he's going to catch the ball. He's done it. You know what I'm saying? He's had a thousand yards back to back seasons. So it's like I like when teams know what they want, they go get it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. I mean sitting back thinking about it

[Joe (Co-host)]

now like y' all was one step away adding this could, could get you.

[Joe Hayden]

But they had the backup quarterback too. Y' all was one step away with the fact.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I was about to say they had,

[Joe (Co-host)]

they had the back.

[Joe Hayden]

Your man broke his ankle got right last play of the game. So like they're like, man, listen, okay, we gonna go above and we gonna give you whatever you need and more. I like that. Smart moves.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, I guess.

[Joe (Co-host)]

All right.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, I'm looking back at it.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm guessing, you know, you ain't give up too much.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What's the contract though? He's still under contract. How many years you got left? Or do they got to redo that? Did they, did they trade and get him already without redoing it?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Now you gotta, now, hey, listen, you

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

know, gave him a little bit more power.

[Joe Hayden]

We gotta look at that. We gotta look at the numbers. Hey, but look, where do you rank the. And where do you rank the teams? Debo, who gonna get the super bowl first? Okay, of course we just gonna say

[Joe (Co-host)]

that that's a no brainer.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

After that.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It's a flip between Cincinnati and, and, and Baltimore. It could go two or three, it don't matter. And then Brown.

[Joe Hayden]

I lie. No, you know what, honestly though, it's gonna be my, my honest, honesty, honest, honest. Depending on what happens we it, it could be because it's a quarterback. Like I said, if, if if desean is our guy, if deshawn's. Deshaun's not. Deshaun might not be the guy. If Shador is our guy. Now look at Shador is our guy. If Shador is our guy, we, it could be the, it's going to be, it could be the next, you know, 10 for show. The new stadium. Oh, my goodness. That's what's happening. We're getting the new stadium.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Stadium. Got to do it anyway.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, it does. Yes, it does.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That's going to make them better.

[Joe Hayden]

Just, just, I don't know. I'm just something, something's telling me. Because you can host the super bowl if you have a dome. So we might mess around and get the super bowl with the dome. Yep. I understand it now.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They got a new dome and all that.

[Joe (Co-host)]

They still ain't been.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't care what, I don't care what they did.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm talking about that was 20 years ago.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't care. The Rams did it and it came right to their crib. So I'm just talking about. I've seen it lately and what God has done for somebody else, he. I seen it do for them what you've done for others. He could do it for me. He could do it for me.

[Joe (Co-host)]

So he. So, so this is what you're saying is Cleveland go host the Super Bowl. Y' all go play in it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, that's. Well, you're see that, see you talking crazy, but I don't know yet. This I, I, I'm talking crazy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You're talking about Cleveland winning the Super Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

No, look, I just gotta figure out how. How long ahead of time. The super bowl game is scheduled. That's what I got to figure out.

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[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

Woman's History Month the podcast Keep It Posit Sweetie celebrates the power of women, choosing healing, purpose and faith. Even when life gets messy, love is not a destination.

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Co-Host]

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[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

Keep it positive. Sweetie creates space for honest conversations on self worth, love, growth and navigating life with grace and grit, led by women who uplift, inspire and tell the truth out loud.

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Co-Host]

I have several conversations with God and I know why it took 20 years

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

to hear this and more. Listen to Keep It Pies as sweetie on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[John Green]

I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of the Fault in Our Stars and now I guess also as the co host of the Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast.

[Daniel Alarcon]

I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, the Away End, we'll share with you you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World cup for US Soccer.

[John Green]

Football is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Very debatable.

[John Green]

And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak and above all, its beauty.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Together we'll find out what why. Of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important.

[John Green]

Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amber Grimes]

It's the new me and it's the old them.

[Joe Hayden]

Everybody's on their journey and your journey is different to theirs.

[Amber Grimes]

This Woman's History Month. The podcast if youf Knew Better with Amber Grimes spotlights women who turn missteps into momentum and lessons into power.

[Podcast Guest (Bronx Speaker)]

I think coming out of where I came from, I'm from the Bronx. I think I grew up really poor. I didn't know that then because I very much use my creativity to romanticize life. And I'm like, my mom did a really good job of like, you step back and you're like, whoa, we. I don't know how we made it. So a lot of my life was like, built out of like, survival to get to the next place. Like, my drive, my like, tunnel vision of like, I gotta be better, I gotta achieve this was off the strengths of like, I want to make a better life for us.

[Amber Grimes]

If youf Knew Better brings real talk from women who've lived it, unpacking, career pivots, relationship lessons, and the mindset shifts that changed everything. Listen to if youf Knew Better with Amber grimes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause the stadium's gonna be breaking ground. The has I got the email for the break ground of the new stadium. So I got got to pull up because now I gotta see where the confetti's gonna be falling from, where I'm gonna be at. I'm gonna be on the sideline. That's where I'm gonna be.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So what year is the stadium supposed to be done?

[Joe Hayden]

Ah, probably not too long. Not too long, not too long.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Was it 28, 29?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna get back to you with the. I'm gonna get back to you with the Pacifics with the specifics.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I mean, is Miles still playing?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Then by.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, here you go.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Here you go. Here's your super. By the time you get to Cleveland,

[Joe Hayden]

here's your short miles for short plan.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That might be. That might be 10 years.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what? No, you know what? Why am I being. Cause now I'm scarred. Because you keep talking to me crazy. You got me feeling like. Like what I think is about to happen isn't really about to happen. So

[Joe (Co-host)]

listen, listen, listen, listen.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen to me now. Listen to me now.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Once you are a real life Browns fan, now you. You have hope and belief in everything. You want to tear it out from your chest and smash.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause it just was the right time when the Browns was doing good and we could have just kept good old Baker when we had finally a little quarterback that was chilling, just could have gave him 25 million a year. And would have just steadied the ship and just been good to go, but we didn't do that. Then DeShawn came and got hurt. Not his fault. Everything. That plan didn't work out. Now we've drafted Shador somehow, snuck down to the fifth round. Now Andrew Berry's bringing around way more talent, the same way we started bringing around Odell and Jarvis Landry. It started getting nice. Get players around us, get your quarterback that can actually hit people around. We got 44. How did that work out, Joe? Listen, I'm telling. That's why we didn't resign Baker, but we're going to resign Shador. Once things start getting looking good, you're going to see. Oh, yeah, okay, we got it here. Okay. Now we're going to keep the quarterback. Now we just need, you know what I'm saying, the other pieces, the receipt. Well, we going to get it right now. So. Yeah, I'm actually excited about it because I think Shador is going to be the. The quarterback for us. And now we know we just need to other build around other positions. We could do that. Cleveland has always had great defense. We got to score some points.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, and on to other news. So D. Hop said he felt kind

[Joe (Co-host)]

of, you know, underutilized. Okay, so I guess first, a Ravens fan had tweeted. He said if the Ravens are in the market for a veteran wide receiver, which I suspect they are, they should do.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What they should do is bring back

[Joe (Co-host)]

D. Hopkins back to Baltimore. And it's like, what a catch, I guess, is the thing right here. But in response, Hopkins said, how many times after this do you think I was using the red zone when targeted? I'm still one of the most productive, but never complain with one, never complain with my snaps and never will facts. So. Well, that's kind of complaining right there.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But anyway, Joe, what.

[Joe (Co-host)]

What do you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What do you think of this?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Because he's saying, like, he got. He got the thing right there. Got a little catch right there.

[Amber Grimes]

He.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He was targeted. You know, he's feeling misused. He's feeling like they didn't do what they should have did. They didn't go how they were supposed to go. Obviously, he. I guess he took it down. He took the message down. He later took it down. So with that being said, whose fault is that, Joe? Is it more of the OC with the game planning of it? Or is it maybe Lamar not getting him the ball? Joe, what do you think, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's a little bit of. It's a little Bit of both. You know, I think getting older in the league and your role kind of starts diminishing a little bit and you feel like kind of you're the same player. I think D. Hop is still an amazing player. Can still catch the ball in the radius, but you lose a step. Still not the same speed, the explosiveness, you know what I'm saying? So I think for him, the usage and you, you can feel like you need to be getting used more, you know what I'm saying? But the team may not, you know what I'm saying? So I think it goes a little bit of both being able to be like just understanding roles the way that the league goes and, you know, I don't think that, yeah, Father time, it is what it is, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's still a good player, he's still a legit, he's still a wide receiver in the league, but he's not the receiver one that he was back in the day.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah, I'll agree with you on that.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm kind of, I'm kind of in the. I'm kind of in the same boat,

[Joe (Co-host)]

but again, I feel like they could have used him a little more. I feel like he still had enough to get more than what they were, you know, for. But I'm happy that they, you know, they didn't use them as much as they did because it, you know, it wouldn't have benefited us if they, they did. But I don't think it would have really mattered because, you know, we got nephew over there. So it really, you know what I'm saying?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Like, dang.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You know what I'm saying? That's. We're gonna watch that up, out, you know what I'm saying? So I ain't even, I, I ain't even tripping, tripping. But that's, you know, it's the Ravens and it's like, it's almost right now. I ain't gonna say like the Browns, but you know, it is what it is and when it comes down to it, yeah, that's what it is. But we go jump on over here to this Max Crosby situation though. So Albert Brie.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Is that what the name is? He had this Brear.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Brie Breer.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Albert Breer. Okay. So he reported.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He said some of the fractured trust between Crosby and the Raiders was rebuilt organically last week when the team showed the five time Pro Bowler that it had his back and reaching out and offering any help needed after the Ravens backed out. He Said it won't hurt Clint Kubiak effort to build a culture to have someone like Crosby. If Crosby buys in, and there's no reason to think he won't, he has the potential to be what he's always wanted to be for the Raiders, the flag bearer and an agent of change. Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You think he go buy in? You think everything good. You think they just done went on here and said, hey, we could. You think he gonna do it?

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, I think. I think Max Cross is going to do it. He's a professional. Professionalism. I think that if. If he. If he gets back on the team and he stays on the team and he doesn't get traded, I think his professionalism won't let him. He knows he got a job to do. It's a business no matter what. Like, you get traded, people don't get traded. If you're back on the team and they're accepting you with open arms, you not just gonna be in there trying to. I don't think Max Cross would be in there getting his bread, getting paid still, like trying to mess things up. That's just not the type of player that I think he is. I think he's going to come back in there, you gonna feel some type of way, you know what I'm saying, As a human being. But I don't think he would just carry that in the locker room trying to sabotage something because his main goal, end of the day is to try to win games. I don't think he wants to lose games winning over everything. Maybe after the season, he doesn't want to you be. You know, people work places where they don't like their boss, but you still gonna go there and you still gonna get the job done. I think for me, with. I think he's gonna do it. I think he's gonna go there, will be able to be a professional or be able to get the job done. But all that extra rah rah, like friends, homie stuff with the coaches or with the. With the general, man. But people don't even really kick it with the general managers like that. It's not your coach's fault.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Well, they got two new ones, though. Well, actually, he likes.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I think it was said that he likes the new head coach. Clinton.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. So even if it's like, if it's not your coach's fault, like, then your position coaches, some. These dudes, a lot of dudes in the building, they. They don't have no control over. It's a couple people that was Able to make the decision to get him up out of there and to trade him. But now since he's back, you're back, they're saying they're welcoming you. I. And I just think the professionalism part and you're here to do a job, and I don't think he would not do it. Like, that's just. I. I don't think that, that, that, that will happen.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah, I'm looking at it and like I said, he likes the. He likes the new head coach, Clint Kubiak. He also good with the gm, John Spice, whatever that name is, along with his old position coach is now the actual D coordinator. So he's the dc. And then when you look at it, he been doing this with Bruh. He done has six different head coaches in seven years, Bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

That's that. That's. That's what I'm saying. Cause I have a little. Just being familiar. It doesn't really matter. You have a job to do. You know what I'm saying? You are a defensive end in the National Football League. I don't care what team you play for. Who's the coach? When you get on the. When you get on the. On the game. The eye in the sky don't lie. That's your tape. That's why you're getting paid the top DN money. Because you are professional dn. You're, You're. You're hired. You're a hired gun. You know what I'm saying? Like they supposed to. They put you somewhere, you gonna go wherever you're at, on whatever team and ball out, because that's what you do. You know what I'm saying? So you wouldn't mix that up. Because end of the day, if you gonna go mess that up, then they could start. Nah, he was just acting all crazy, wasn't coming to meetings, wasn't showing up, was being very unprofessional. No, Max, you have a name to uphold. You have a legacy to uphold. You're a dog. Don't let these people start messing it up and trying to throw dirt on your name. Continue to just try to play to win. Play your hardest. Do exactly what you've been doing your whole career that's got you here. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I would look at him like, if I could give him any advice, just please do that, because you already play for a bunch of coaches. You know what that turnover looks like? You know, it's the NFL. People are getting cut. People are getting chopped People are not getting paid. Like, they're trying to find reasons not to pay you, so don't give them one. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's all I'm trying to tell.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, reasons not to pay you. He.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Crosby has said on his podcast that if he acted the way he was. If he acted off the field the way he does on the field, he said he would be in prison. He said, the second I put on my cleats, I crossed. The second I put on my cleats and I'm across the line, I'm in a different environment. I'm thinking. I'm thinking about murder, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Thinking about murder.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what he means? Yeah.

[Joe (Co-host)]

The second I'm off, I can turn it off just like that, because you have to. I can't be like how I am on the field all the time, or I'd be in prison.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yo, do you feel that way? Do you. Do you got a Persona that's on the field? Do you change, you know, like. You know what I'm saying? Do you have a, you know, a different.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I know I do.

[Joe (Co-host)]

So, yes.

[Joe Hayden]

When I. When I. When I. My Persona kind of changed. And I think when I first got into the league, basically, like, it was no name, no face. You're really out there trying to run through somebody. You really trying. Like, the beginning, when I was a kid, we were trying to put people to sleep. Like, you were trying to, like, jump into them and you get them so they would go be like, this night, night. Like, it was called Nightquil, so it sounds crazy saying it out loud, but that's the area that we grew up, and that's just the way that we played football. So it wasn't like you was trying to really, like, murder somebody, but you, like, sleep like, dude. Saying that. That just was the way it was. And I'm like, oh, my goodness, that's really crazy. But that's the way that we played the game back in the day. So, like, okay, that's crazy. But when I started getting older and, like, I would say after, like, year nine, nine in the league, once you start being a vet, things move a little slower. You can see what's going on. Like, you can actively know when you're trying to missle into somebody. You can really tell what type of tackle you going. But back in the day, I didn't care. You would still see somebody. You would see them drop the ball a little bit, and you would still come thumb, and you could still hit them, and then I know I get. He gets two steps. So now when you see people hit him within the two steps, I'm like, he saw that and he's still hitting him. No, I'm like, you saw that. You know the two steps, you know, that you can avoid.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But we're talking so mad, like, dude, he's right there.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That's a bang bang play.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Why are y' all throwing the flag? Why are you. That is not. He's not trying to.

[Joe (Co-host)]

He's there. It's nothing he can do.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Like, he's there. You know, like my Persona, like, on the field. I think that's why everybody thought I was crazy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So, I mean, I don't. It's not fake.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I know that's why everybody thought it's a whole.

[Joe Hayden]

It's you.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Because of how my on field Persona was. They thought that was the same, literally.

[Joe Hayden]

Because especially for you, it's. You guys are up there. And that's what. Like, I wasn't. As I could see. What's up? I'm smaller. Y' all are big, big dudes that are going against other grown men every single time, trying to impose your will on another man. You're trying to lift him, get him out your way. This is my space. He's trying to take your space. So you getting, like. You feel like you're in a fight, you know what I'm saying?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Every snap, you is in a fight, bro. You in a. You in a rude outfit.

[Joe Hayden]

You in a rude outfit. Between the snaps, you're going hard. So that's how, like, when you got to kind of like dudes on the NFL, a little crazy. You gotta be a little crazy because you're running smack into another man full speed. And when we were thinking about. You got Debo thinking the same thing. I'm saying sleep. Trying to put you to bed.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. Like I said, like, the. The Persona is a.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It's a good thing, it's a bad thing. And especially now, like, it was a good thing. It's a bad thing because now, like, us being on this podcast, I'm getting

[Joe Hayden]

way more people approaching me now.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You know what I'm saying? Like, my normal resting, like, like, kill

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

a face, you don't work no more. You know what I'm saying? Like, I used to be. No, I used to be able to walk through the airport, just have had a face on with nobody.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, he looks like he doesn't want to be bothered right now.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Now, man.

[Joe Hayden]

No, like, I see you laughing.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. Even back then when, like, they didn't

[Joe (Co-host)]

know they would send the kid. So they send the kid up there to get the conversation started, you know, to test the waters. I see, you know, like, hey, if he dog my kid out, I know I ain't got a shot. So I'm. I'm gonna back up, you know what I'm saying?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But now, dude, I just, I just, like, I just get anybody coming up, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, damn, I.

[Joe (Co-host)]

This.

[Joe Hayden]

That look I had. They ain't stop you from approaching me laughing now, Debo. They see this. They see. They like, oh, this man. Hey, man, I got a softer side, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I might have to stop the podcast, man. I don't know, brother. Somebody had to give, bro.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to come up on here crazy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Just. Just tear something up. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

You already. You already exposed now.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, bro, like, put it. Put him to sleep, Joe.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I ain't gonna lie to you, man. Forgive me for this, though. If I knew back then, like I said, I wouldn't have say, man, that

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

they was gonna find me like you

[Joe Hayden]

said, you would have gave him 100, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'd have tried to take him up out of here.

[Joe Hayden]

I already know, bro.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I just tried to take him.

[Joe Hayden]

I already know you would that like,

[Joe (Co-host)]

who we ought to try to take

[Joe Hayden]

him up out of here, man, because I. I was trying.

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