Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Big Ben's AFC North Predictions, Shedeur Sanders' Development, Steelers Memories

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Episode: Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Big Ben's AFC North Predictions, Shedeur Sanders' Development, Steelers Memories
Date: March 24, 2026
Host: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker
Featured Guests: Ben Roethlisberger, Debo (James Harrison), Joe

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Episode Overview

In this lively installment, NFL legend Ben Roethlisberger joins James Harrison (“Debo”) and Joe for a candid, often hilarious look at NFL memories, AFC North predictions, and what it takes to succeed at quarterback in today’s league. The trio reflects on their playing days, Cleveland-Pittsburgh rivalries, the future of Shedeur Sanders, and the shifting landscape of quarterback development. Along the way, fans get real insights into the personalities behind the helmets—with warmth, jokes, and sharp debates filling the room.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ben Roethlisberger’s High School & Early Football Journey

[03:12 – 06:38]

• Ben’s Path to QB: Ben recalls being a multi-sport athlete in high school, averaging "27 points a game" in basketball and only playing quarterback full time his senior year. He humorously shares how he became the starting quarterback after the coach decided to shift the best athletes around:

  "Early on, it's like just put the best athletes at quarterback...The coach was like, let's try Ben at quarterback and this guy at wide receiver. We ended up winning."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, 03:58)

• Big Senior Year: Throws for over 4,000 yards and 54 touchdowns as a senior, including "eight in one game."

  "I threw 38 and I was like, oh, I went crazy. No, like my stats are going to be around Ben's. I said, oh, oh, I thought that, crazy work."
  (Joe, [05:31])

• Cleveland Roots: Ben discusses his Ohio upbringing and why he "owns" Cleveland—he grew up, balled out, went to Miami of Ohio, and got skipped by the Browns in the draft.

  "I still thank Jesus every day. Thank you. I thank you one more time for not letting Cleveland pick me."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [06:38])

2. Steelers Memories & Ben’s Take on Debo (James Harrison)

[07:55 – 10:47]

• First Impressions: Ben shares that Debo’s intimidating persona hides a kind heart and praises his relentless work ethic—"as a teammate, as a brother."

  "I'd put that [strength] at like the fourth or fifth most impressive thing that he can do...his work ethic, the fact that he would go about his day and his craft."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [08:43])

• Friendly Rivalry: Debo jokes about sacking Ben in practice, with Ben quick to point out that Debo "never got a sack outside the pocket"—the back-and-forth underscores their mutual respect.

  "You was running for your life, you know? Remember when I picked you up on that last one and I dumped you? You gotta go down."
  (Debo, [11:01])

3. Shedeur Sanders’ Development and Cleveland Browns QB Situation

[11:44 – 13:06]

• Shedeur in Cleveland: The group turns to Cleveland’s unusual decision to draft two quarterbacks, including Shedeur Sanders. Ben offers measured advice:

  "I don't like to judge quarterbacks, good or bad, within the first three years...you've got to show me for three, maybe four years."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [12:07])

• Joe’s Take: He argues that Shedeur deserves a competent team and setup, noting the Browns’ historic lack of offensive weapons.

  "We need weapons on the outside...Our defense has always been solid; on the offense side, we haven't been able to put up points."
  (Joe, [13:06])

4. Joe Burrow, the AFC North, and Steelers Future

[18:33 – 22:37]

• Burrow to Steelers?: Debo floats the idea of Joe Burrow joining the Steelers. Ben laughs it off as "a pipe dream," but admits it would be a "no-brainer":

  "There's not enough money to go around...but my goodness, that'd be a no-brainer. You'd jump through hoops for that."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [19:54], [20:03])

• AFC North Predictions: Asked which AFC North team will next win a Super Bowl, Ben breaks down each:
  • Baltimore’s window is "closing."
  • "Obviously, Cleveland isn't even in [the conversation]."
  • Cincinnati’s offense is strong but "they don't care about their defense."
  • Concludes: "That's why I would say Pittsburgh."
    (Ben Roethlisberger, [22:37])

5. Life After Football

[25:00 – 26:17]

• Ben’s Everyday Life: Shares he’s busy as his "wife's personal assistant," handling kids’ schedules and homework (turns to ChatGPT for help!).

  “Man, I tell people all the time, I'm my wife's personal assistant... I'm an Uber driver.”
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [25:00])

• Podcasting & Family: Stays close to football through his own podcast and supports his wife finishing seminary, enjoying a full family life.

  "Just enjoying chasing the kids and helping my wife out... I'm just as busy as I was playing football. My body just doesn't hurt as bad."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [26:01])

6. Best Advice from a Veteran: The Jerome Bettis Story

[26:15 – 27:43]

• Ben reminisces about Jerome “The Bus” Bettis welcoming him as a rookie, offering his number and support from day one:

  "He opened my notebook to the first page and wrote 'Bussy' and his number. He said, 'Anything you need, just let me know.'"
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [27:00])

• Ben shares he never actually called, but always tried to pass on that welcoming attitude to young players.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Cleveland passing on Ben:
  "Thank you. In my prayers. And I'm gonna thank Jesus and you."
  (Ben to Debo, [11:39])

• On judging QBs:
  "There's just too many factors. So yeah, I will reserve judgment...on Shedeur until, you know, give me a little more time down the road."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [12:54])

• On AFC North windows:
  "I think that their [Baltimore's] window is closed...Or I should say it's closing."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [21:42])

• On life after the NFL:
  "Just doing that, man. Just enjoying chasing the kids and helping my wife out...I'm just as busy as I was playing football, my body just doesn’t hurt as bad."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [26:00])

• On being there for teammates:
  "I'd put that [Debo's strength] at like the fourth or fifth most impressive thing...but him as a teammate is incredibly just, like, the person."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [08:43])

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Light Moments & Signature Banter

• Debo’s Golf Game:
  The crew jokes about Debo’s inability to keep golf shots straight, leading to laughs about “hitting the clubhouse from 30 yards away.”
  (23:50 – 24:08)

• Tough Love & Family:
  Debo and Joe riff on keeping their sons in check and the realities of aging athletes ("Looks can be deceiving. Lot of people out there look like Tarzan, play like Jane.").
  (43:02 – 43:55)

• Respect Among Peers:
  Ben closes with a heartfelt thanks:

  "You guys have all of my respect. Not for what you're doing...but what you guys did on the football field."
  (Ben Roethlisberger, [28:54])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Ben’s high school/college journey & stats: [03:12] – [06:38]
• Roethlisberger on Debo and Steelers reminiscence: [07:55] – [10:47]
• Shedeur Sanders' development & Browns QB talk: [11:44] – [13:06]
• Joe Burrow Steelers speculation & AFC North Super Bowl predictions: [18:33] – [22:37]
• Ben’s post-football life & advice from Jerome Bettis: [25:00] – [27:43]
• Closing reflection on respect among teammates: [28:54]

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Episode Tone

Casual and humorous with moments of deep respect—these are old teammates and rivals exchanging good-natured ribbing, serious football insights, and plain honesty about the NFL journey. The camaraderie is tangible and infectious.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a must-listen for fans craving real talk from gridiron legends, mixing laugh-out-loud stories with honest assessments of football’s future—especially for quarterbacks. Ben Roethlisberger’s humility and insights, paired with Debo and Joe’s trademark banter, make for a rich, dynamic conversation that reveals the heart of pro football, on and off the field.

Transcript

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[Joe]

Ben, I'll ask you this Ben, do you. I, I see that you played basketball in high school.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yes.

[Joe]

You were a bucket 27 points. I see that you average a game your senior year. You played wide receiver until your senior year and you've only played quarterback your senior year in high school.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yeah, I mean I played as a, I played as a, a little bit as a freshman. So my freshman year I played, I got in the first four games of the season. I played three snaps and it was the whole extra points.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

And so we were 2 and 2 and we had a pretty good athlete at quarterback. And so the coach was like, man, let's try and put him at receiver and put Ben at quarterback. We know Ben can throw a little bit. Whatever. Yeah, because you know, you know, like early on it's like just put the best athletes at quarterback.

[Joe]

Yes, yes.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Because they can run, they can do all the stuff. And so then it was, we were two and two and the coach was like, let's try Ben at quarterback and this guy wide receiver. We ended up winning the next, what, six games, whatever it was. And it went in one. And then my sophomore year I played jv, like our whole class played jv. So I didn't play varsity at all. And I played, I played quarterback that year and we had like our, like our, my. Where I grew up, there were three middle schools that all went to one high school. So everybody was talking about like our class. Yeah, this class is going to be like a good one. So we all play JV ball. And I swear our coach, we went like 10, zero or whatever. How many games y' all play? And our coach, like, I swear he was like, we were his human PlayStation, like Madden game, right? Like he's like drawing stuff up. Like he's like. And we were scoring 40, 50 points on people because you know, most JV teams are, are like the Players that aren't good enough to play varsity for sure. So we were blowing people out. And then my junior year, the coaches son was a year older than me and I just wanted to play and he was a quarterback. And so I said, man, just put me on the field somewhere. And so I played receiver.

[Joe]

That's when I'm okay. I had to figure out what happened, Ben, because then I go, look, I know one thing. I was nice at quarterback in high school. I threw for 27. I do. For 2700 yards my senior year and 38 touchdowns. So you put your athletes at quarterback. So I thought I was like, man, I want to be a quarterback. I look at your stats and I was like, man, let me go see what Ben did. For your senior year. You threw for 4,000 yards and 54 touchdowns. I was like, okay. I was not that good.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

We had a lot of fun. I threw eight one game.

[Joe]

That's what I'm. Yes, I'm looking at it. I threw 38 and I was like, oh, I went crazy. No, like my, my stats are going to be around Ben's. I said, oh, oh, I thought that crazy work.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

We had fun.

[Debo]

You a Cleveland Brown. How you thought any of your steps would be something.

[Joe]

Like I'm saying coming out of high school football, it don't matter.

[Debo]

The pedigree still there. Like, what are you talking about? The man playing quarterback, you playing corner.

[Joe]

What you thought your step.

[Debo]

Like, in high school, it said Ben

[Joe]

was playing quarterback only his senior year. I needed to find out. I had to be the coach's son. Somebody had to be above where he didn't play varsity like I would have varsity quarterback.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

The coach, the coach's son, the coach's son ended up going to play wide receiver in college and I went and played quarterback in college. So things happen. That's why I think, that's why I think too that I'm allowed to like go at Cleveland so much. Not just because I own them and my record against them, but because like, I went. I'm from Ohio, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

I played pretty well in high school. I went to Miami of Ohio in Ohio, played pretty well in college.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

And Cleveland had the chance for Pittsburgh. Now I think I, I still thank Jesus every day. Thank you. I thank you one more time for not letting Cleveland pick me. But I'm still al. Allowed to. To. To go. That's why I'm allowed to do that. If Cleveland would have had like the 22nd or. No, it was 11 after 11th pick. I was. If they would have had a pick, like, after then. That's excusable.

[Joe]

You know what? Hearing it from you, from the horses from Ohio, all of this stuff, they. You know what? Everything do stand on business, man. You deserve to take off on Cleveland because they skipped on you. They could have had you. You would have had Brown's helmets back here. It's their bad.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Okay, you know what? You got every reason to be okay, Debo. Undersized linebacker I'm telling you about.

[Debo]

The Cleveland Browns. They clowns. Cleveland clowns. They just do what they do. They don't do nothing correctly. They knew what they should have did.

[Joe]

No, I mean, yeah, that one they should do.

[Debo]

They don't do.

[Joe]

Yes, Right. Right. No, no, no. Hopefully, the future is bright futures.

[Debo]

They should have paid you. Right, Joe?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Amen. I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad they did.

[Joe]

When I got to go play with my. Then I got to go play with my dogs.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

I said, bring him over, please.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Bring him on over.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yes.

[Joe]

Hold on. Ben, what was your first impression of when you met Debo? When. Like, your first interaction with Debo?

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Well, again, I don't remember him in college much.

[Joe]

Sweet Steelers.

[Debo]

He seen me motor, and he's saying that the running back, he was handing the ball, too.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

No doubt, no doubt. You know, I think so. One of the best things about James is when people ask me, like, you know, what's he like? And I'm always like, don't let this Persona, like, fool you. He has. He laughs, he's funny. He actually has a kind heart.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

You know, like, he actually is. But until you get to know that you think he is that, I guess.

[Debo]

Ben, your time is up right now. Appreciate you coming on the show. Yes.

[Joe]

The teddy bear.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yes, he is. But. But until he lets you in that, it's. It's definitely intimidating. You just. You just kind of stay out the way, like, really, until you get to know him. And then it's just like, man, you just. You enjoy who he is. Like, I got to see firsthand every day that man worked. And I think people. People will talk about him in the sense of, man, his. His weight room and the strength and this and the other. I'll say, man, I'd put that at, like, the fourth or fifth most impressive thing that he can do. You know what I'm saying? Like, him as a teammate is incredibly just like, the person is. He's always there for you. And I know he puts on his face and acts like he's the super tough guy, and he is. But he's there for you as a teammate and a brother, and I love that about him. His work ethic, the fact that he would go about his day and his craft and, like, just the little nuanced things. And I think a lot of that probably came in. I'm speaking for him, and he's on here, which is weird, but I think the. The. That he could speak for, too, is it probably is some that, like, underappreciated, undersized. You're this. You're this. And it's like, no, I'm gonna prove y' all wrong. And he made it. Like, he made it, but he never acted like he made it.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

And so I think that that just drove him every day. And we went through phases in Pittsburgh of where the defense was so good. It made us better on offense. Right. I'd like to think that we were good on offense at times and made the defense good. Watching and going against James every single day and knowing when he came off my blind side, like, he didn't have to, like, even touch you when he came by you in practice. Obviously, he's not allowed to touch the quarterback. This, that, and the other. He would go by and. And he would do that, or he would just be like. He was like. Like just enough. Like. And I'd be. And you throw the ball, and I'm like, you didn't get me? He'd be like, okay. And he wouldn't. He didn't have to argue with you, you know, because he knew what was there. And I respected that man every day and still do with. With. With the. The most utmost respect for that guy.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Debo]

Thank you, brother. I appreciate you, man.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Debo]

I appreciate them flowers, baby. You know what I'm saying? It go both ways, baby. Got a lot of respect for you, too, you know what I'm saying? You know, especially with you, you know, going ahead, not being able to get that ball off, getting your boy into, you know, into the. Into the league to start it off, you know, five sacks on y' all that, you know, sure. You gave it to me. I mean, you was running for your life, you know? Remember when I picked you up on that last one and I dumped you? You gotta go down.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yeah, no, I remember. I don't. I don't remember you ever getting a stack outside the pocket, though. Like, I thought, they're all in the pocket. You weren't. You. Not, you know, you. You got a great burst.

[Debo]

You was running.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

It doesn't last long.

[Debo]

He was running.

[Joe]

Yeah, he's good. 10 yard burst.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

There's nitrous. His nitrous burst is gone quick like, it runs like a video game.

[Debo]

Listen.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

This is. What.

[Joe]

You might blow a tire, that game.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Is why Cleveland didn't pick you up. You need to credit me for you not going to Cleveland.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Hey, thank you.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Thank you. In my prayers. And I'm gonna thank Jesus and you.

[Debo]

Yes, yes, Lord.

[Joe]

All right, all right, all right, all right. Yes. All right, all right, all right. Cleveland, since we talking about it, how do you feel about my boy Shador? Big man, how do you feel about Shador?

[Ben Roethlisberger]

It's typical Cleveland. Like, you're drafting two quarterbacks, like, in the same draft. I mean, I. I don't. I don't understand what. What they're doing. Okay.

[Debo]

Kind of.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yeah, respectfully, kind of. I. Again, I will never. I don't like to judge quarterbacks, good or bad, within the first three years, because I think too many times we give our flowers to guys and it puts this unnecessary pressure on guys. And a lot of guys come in the league and are really good their first year. It can be really good the second year, and then all of a sudden, defenses start to figure it out. I used to use LeBeau as an example. Go ahead and beat Dick LeBeau the first time, it might happen. I bet you it's not gonna happen the second time or the third time. And if it is, then you might be a good.

[Joe]

Then.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Then you have a chance. Really good. So you. You've got to show me for three, maybe four years. There's a couple exceptions, I think. Like I. I said after the. I think the second or third year, I thought, okay, Joe Burrow is going to be a. He's going to be a player. Now, you know, certain guys, you kind of can feel it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

But there's some guys that like, okay, I might need four years because again, there's just too many factors involved. So, yeah, I will reserve judgment or, or my opinion on Shador until, you know, give me. Give me a little more time down the road.

[Joe]

Okay, so you're saying we need to thank you? Because I'm saying I think he's. He's a. I think he should have been drafted in the first round. This is what I believe. So now we have to give him the same thing. He's not going to just be able to go out there and recreate the wheel. When you went to Pittsburgh, you said you had a defense, you had an offense, you had people around you you they didn't weren't asking you to go out there and just go crazy. I've no that was the same. If he was put in that situation, he would be able to succeed. Right now I'm looking for the Browns to get in the offensive line. We got the running back. We have a good tight end. We need weapons on the outside. Our defense has always been solid on the offense side, we haven't been able to put up points. When I was there, Ben, we would always play against you got defense. We were out there hooping and we would never be able to get points. We needed to score average over 17. We could never average over 20 points. So you get three touchdowns in every game. We're not getting blown out.

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[Ben Roethlisberger]

I don't.

[Joe]

Debo. Get. Get Debo out of here. But you do hear what I'm saying though, Ben. Like, I respect what you're saying because you can't really judge him yet. You got to give him a good team so then you can give him a chance.

[Debo]

Listen, listen. Hey, man, let me, Let me go back to that. That, that Joe Burrow. That Joe Burrow. Hey, man, I've been talking. I've been doing a lot of talking to Joe Burrow, okay? And I've been, I've been conversating with him on here on the, you know, weekly, bi weekly basis and, you know, we've been, we've been having conversations. I talked to him on the phone yesterday and we've been talking about him. You know, he gonna go up there, talk to Mr. Brown and see what he need to do to, you know, do whatever he need to do to maybe get into. To some black and Gold man. How would you feel about a Burrow, you know, coming over and being the sit in the fill in to. To get that spot over there for, for, for. For our Pittsburgh Steelers just as. Just as you were were put into that spot. How. How do you, how do you feel about that? How do you feel about that being

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Joe Burrow going to the Steelers?

[Debo]

Yes, sir.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

I mean, I don't. I think that I. I would call that a pipe dream. I don't think that's. That's a reality.

[Joe]

That's what I was. That's why I keep trying to tell.

[Debo]

Didn't ask you about no pipe dream, okay? I've been talking to this, okay, and having conversations.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

That. That's a no. I mean, my goodness, that'd be a no brainer. That'd be you. That you'd jump through hoops for that.

[Joe]

That's when. That's.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

There's not enough money. There's not enough money to go around, though.

[Debo]

Hey, hey, Joe. Joe Burrow. Listen to it. Hall of Fame quarterback just told you if he said no brainer to come over here to the black and gold.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

No brainer.

[Debo]

What else? Leave the Olympics alone. Come over here and get Lombardi.

[Joe]

Come on, man.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Hey, it seems, it seems like, it seems like none of them boys should be playing the Olympics, man. You see the way it's a different game.

[Joe]

The hip dips, the flips, the bend knees. It's not. It's not football.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

You know, those guys. Let those guys go play. They've been. Let them go win Olympics.

[Joe]

Come on, man. And I love the way they have the rosters.

[Debo]

Like, we got. We all got two of these.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

That would be great. I'd love for Joe Bro to come to Pittsburgh.

[Debo]

Thank you. Thank you. Get you two of these, like all of us right here. Ain't that right?

[Joe]

Yes, correct. See,

[Debo]

I'll be putting you in conversation that you ain't even got no part of though, sometimes, Joe, My bad. You know, I just kind of. I was seeing. Being and I was like, you know, my. Yeah, that was just.

[Joe]

I don't. He's so disrespectful.

[Debo]

Ben, listen, listen right now.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I'm. You know me, I'm a nice guy. I see Cleveland before the show.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Go.

[Joe]

I'm like, no, Ben. You know what I'm saying? He's working, he's. Take your time, Ben. You know what I'm saying? Make sure everything's good. I'm cool. Calm, collected. Debo.

[Debo]

Hey. Currently. Currently right now, AFC North. Who do you see being the first team to get a Super Bowl?

[Ben Roethlisberger]

It depends on who's playing quarterback for the Steelers, but I would still lean towards. I. I honestly, I think. I think, like, I would all. I probably would have said Baltimore because, you know, I think that they've got a, you know, what they have going on there in Lamar and that. But here's what I'm going to say. I think that their windows closed. Like, I don't. I don't think. I don't. I just under. Cl. I should say it's closing. Yeah, Closing. Okay. Obviously, Cleveland isn't even in the. Like, we're gonna have to ask that one.

[Joe]

We got. Okay.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

No, And Cincinnati, obviously, I like what Joe does with their offense is really good, but they're just like, giving them, like. They don't care about their defense and they don't care about anything there. So. And the reason I'm giving this whole breakdown is because I feel like if I would have just said Pittsburgh, people be like, oh, that's just. So I'm breaking it down. And so that's why I would say Pittsburgh. Even breaking it all down, I would say Pittsburgh answer to say Pittsburgh.

[Debo]

Hey, who lasts. Who lasts to get one, though? That's all I wanna know.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

I mean,

[Debo]

Can you please let our guests ask questions? That's real rude for you not to let him answer this question.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

With all due respect.

[Joe]

You know what he's gonna say when he says, with all due respect? No respect.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Okay, Joe, when can we golf, man? You keep ducking me in this golf game, man. See, I'm trying to help you out, Joe.

[Joe]

Thank you. Thank you. The weather's changed. It's warm now on the east coast, so let's get out, please.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Okay? You've been dumping me for a long time.

[Joe]

No, no, no. I'm coming to Pittsburgh. I'm coming to Pittsburgh and we hitting Oakmont.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Okay? That's all. I've been listening. You've been ducking me on the show. You've been ducking me on the golf course. Like I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.

[Joe]

Never again, brother. Never again. I got you.

[Debo]

See what's going on?

[Joe]

Yeah. Debo, you don't.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Have you ever hit a golf ball?

[Joe]

No.

[Debo]

Yes. I tear the skin off them mother. I'm trying to tell you that they

[Joe]

just don't go straight. Nothing. He's slicing.

[Debo]

They go that way or they go that way. Yeah.

[Joe]

Out of bounds. Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

They go far, but they go far.

[Debo]

They go far to the side.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Debo]

I'm dead serious, man. I hit the clubhouse and I was only like. Like maybe 30 yards away from it, but it was like 60, 70 yards off to the right. I banged.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

That mug are too big.

[Joe]

We can't bring him to Okmont.

[Debo]

You know, I pulled my Delt swinging that thing. I don't even. I don't even drive. But I'm trying to tell you, bro, I don't even drive the ball no more.

[Joe]

That's how you know you can't be out there golfing. You need to be smooth swinging.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yeah.

[Debo]

They tell me to do that, but you need to.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

You need to be a scramble partner and just be the putter.

[Joe]

Yes.

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[Joe]

Yep.

[Debo]

My putt game, the athletics.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

You're an athlete.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

My puck game. On point, though.

[Joe]

I give you a good read. Great caddy, you know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

Hey, man, why don't you take him hunting? He ain't a hunter. He ain't a hunter.

[Joe]

I've never, never been.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Joe's too. Joe's too pretty to go hunting. He smelled too good.

[Joe]

Before he even hit the house.

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Yeah. My scent, my sin. They're gonna get the gun.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Yeah. You don't have to hunt birds because the birds can't smell you.

[Joe]

There we Go. I could do that.

[Debo]

Yeah, man. What you, what you, what you got going on, man? You got anything going on, man?

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Man, I, I tell people all the time. I'm my wife's personal assistant. I'm just helping.

[Joe]

She's.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

No, I'm actually super proud of her. She's finishing seminary right now. She's got a couple more months of seminary left. So that, that puts me in charge of the kids. So I'm an. I'm an Uber driver.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Get you. I mean, it's non stop, which is why I'm gonna have to leave this show soon. I go pick the kids up from school. Love it. Helping with home. And we could come home. We're gonna be doing homework chat. GBT is my friend because I don't know how to do some of this, this homework. How do. I forgot this answer. It's unbelievable. So, yeah, doing that, doing the podcast every so often now, obviously footballing with Ben Roethlisberger. Appreciate you coming on that. Debo before and Joe, I gotta get

[Debo]

back on there, I think.

[Joe]

Good.

[Debo]

We got some views on that.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

We had a way.

[Joe]

We had.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

We had a few hundred thousand. So, yeah, just doing that, man. Just enjoying chasing the kids and helping my wife out doing things around the house. And so just, just. I said, I'm just as busy as I was playing football. My body just doesn't hurt as bad.

[Joe]

Oh, man, you know, Love it. I love it.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

My knees, my knees were a little sore yesterday though, because the kids had me up on the playroom playing hockey and I had to play on my knees, so my knees are sore from being on. It's just, you know, too old for

[Joe]

this stuff, guys, man. Yeah, we in the same boat.

[Debo]

Question for you, baby. Yeah, we get you out of here. What's the best advice you got from a veteran when you were a rookie?

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Oh, man, you know what? I, I'll. Oh, it's. It's a long time ago. I would say that. You know, when I remember one of the first times I walked in the building, I had like my playbook. I'm holding like a stack of books and everything. I saw Bussy Jerome walks out and I was like, oh, dang, that's like, that's drawn better.

[Debo]

Oh, boy.

[Joe]

What do we do here?

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Do I, do I say something? Do I put my head down? Do I nod? Do I. Like, what do I do? And. And he walked over and he walked over me. He's like, he, you know, hey, young fell. I forget exactly what, you know, what he said because I Was just probably in awe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

And he opened my notebook to open the first page and he wrote Bussy and he wrote his number and I was like, oh. He was like, hey, listen, anything. I forgot he said, anything you've bought, anything you want to buy, I've bought. Anywhere you want to go, I've gone. Anything you want to do, I've done. Reach out to me, let me know if I can help in any kind of way, blah, blah, blah. You know what I'm saying? So for that, for. For Bussy to do that to a young dude who at the time, remember I was coming in, Tommy Max was the man. Like, he was the starting quarterback. It wasn't like they drafted me to be the day one starter.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Now I was, you know, his 11th pick first round. But it didn't. He didn't have to do that. So I tried to do like. I try to take that advice with guys and I guess. Guess who never called him.

[Joe]

Do you.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Because you. You don't call. Busy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

But hey, Bussy, it's Ben.

[Debo]

Who.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Thank you, Ben. But. So I try to do that same thing, take that advice. And I would tell guys the same sort of thing, like, hey, listen, if I can ever do something for you, you know, as a, As a. As a veteran, a guy who's been here, here's my frame. Please don't ever hesitate to call me, text me, whatever. Very few guys ever do. I think that's just part of the, you know, it's just. It's hard to do to. To a vet guy. But. So that, that's some advice that I try to take. But I just love that. That story of Jerome was just always special to me.

[Joe]

Love that.

[Debo]

Oh, cool, man. We. We got you one minute before 12, baby. We're gonna let you roll up out of here, but appreciate you guys. So we got a super chat real quick from Covenant. Like Covenant Life. That. That, that's.

[Joe]

That's.

[Debo]

That's the. She said, ben, we love you. We are lost without you. Let's go get a GD quarterback stat. You know what GD is? Why are you saying that? Covenant Life.

[Joe]

Watch your mouth.

[Debo]

All right? But hey, man, we appreciate you coming on with us.

[Joe]

Thank you, brother Ben. Appreciate you, man.

[Debo]

Time, man.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

Hey, I know.

[Debo]

Pick up them cheering I know I

[Ben Roethlisberger]

gotta go pick them up, but I want to say this. Thanks for having me, fellas. First and foremost, no doubt. You know, obviously I talked a lot about you, Debo, but I got nothing but love for both of you guys. I. You guys have all of my respect. Not for what you're doing and you guys as men, but what you guys did on the football field. Joe, I hated going against you, man. You were. You were one of those dudes that when the game plan. Your name was circled every time when you were in Cleveland. Which is why when you. We had the opportunity to get you, it was like pouncing. Go get him any way you can get him. And loved having you as a teammate because as much as. As good as you were going against you, you're better as. Even better as a teammate. Every day smiling and. And just lots of love. So I appreciate both you guys for your friendship and what you guys appear so or for what you guys do and did for my career and helped me too. So appreciate you guys.

[Joe]

Thank you, brother.

[Debo]

Hey, hey, Joe, you see this right here? That's a personal one. You ain't got one of them.

[Joe]

Don't worry. Don't eat trip. I'm gonna get my jersey.

[Debo]

No, you're not. No, you're not. Hey, Ben. Appreciate you, man.

[Joe]

Appreciate you.

[Debo]

Later, baby.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

All right, see you guys.

[Debo]

All right, Ben Roethlisberger.

[Joe]

Come on, man. That's a good man right there.

[Debo]

You understand, brother. Look here. Covenant life. She back again. Today's NFL. What's the emphasis on protecting the D quarterback? That means. Damn. Am I supposed to cuss or am I not supposed to cuss? You tell me. Covenant. Like, do you think your specific sandlot style of extending plays. Oh, she talking about being stand like style of extended plays. Taking hits to find the open man is viable. Or has the D league move toward a style that would have. Stop saying D. Say the word for me, please. They started just say the or move toward a style that wouldn't allow a player like you to thrive anymore. He could thrive in anything that we got going. He. I think he would do better now because. Yeah, he would do even better.

[Joe]

Like, that's a big body and you can't really. They're not. Yeah, he could take the. He was getting hit a lot harder and they were not letting it slide. Right now he's getting protected and he's still. He gonna hold the ball and make you look crazy because now hold it as long as you want. And as soon as you get close, I can still throw it and you hit me in the head. Oh, wow. Flag all that. Yes. 15. He would succeed and be able to take less punishment. And probably the quarterbacks, they flopping a little.

[Debo]

Take a food out your mouth. We got that man.

[Joe]

Bend.

[Debo]

We got Mikhail Randall back $5, he said. Do you think the Steelers should have drafted a quarterback to learn from Big Ben before he retired? Being said Jay Dobbs do y' all think what do y' all think of him and Will can and Will can ball. So me personally, I think we should have got somebody while Ben was there. To have an heir apparent like that would be like they did with in the Green Bay with Rogers Running a

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[Debo]

farve and then how they did with Jordan Love and Rogers like I think that's something that we should have. We should have did but you know that wasn't. I think we got it. We know we got a different. We got a different group of people. We got different people at different positions right now so. But yeah me personally what about you?

[Joe]

I think that would have been a good idea. Obviously hindsight 2020 you never know when he was going to leave that picks was always probably a little you just when you're in it they trying to probably get the best player available just trying to help get pieces because they're like we got Ben. But if you think about it for sure it would have always been good but when you gonna get in the first round like get a first round pick with Ben still there and that's going to open up that whole can of worms but team wise you will want to get a quarterback just to have it have a backup plan so when he ends up a veteran ends up leaving but you know they ain't do it.

[Debo]

Yeah yeah for sure Dobbs. I don't. I Don't really know too much about.

[Joe]

He's saying Josh Dobbs, brother. He's just really. I love Dobbs too, but like, just because he's, he's been there before, just another quarterback to be on the roster. I don't think he's talking about.

[Debo]

I would take Dobbs over Mason Rudolph.

[Joe]

Okay. No, I like, because, because he, he got legs. He got legs. He can run, he can move. You know, I, I, I respect it. I mean, you can't. I, I, I just feel like it's like this though.

[Debo]

Yeah. Six, seven.

[Joe]

It's just like.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, with them.

[Debo]

Not in the bad way, for sure. We got Danny Goose, Goss. What is that? 6879. $5 said Debo. I have a 92 painting hanging in my I have a 92 painting I brought in 2011 on the sidewalk in Baltimore. Been hanging in my. Been hanging up for 15 years. Can you autograph it? I can autograph it if you can get it to me.

[Joe]

That song. Yep.

[Debo]

Check my IG for the email.

[Joe]

Boom.

[Debo]

And send a message to it. And then we'll, we'll figure out what we can do to get that, to get that sign for you.

[Joe]

Good man. Good man, brother Debo.

[Debo]

Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you, brother. $5, though.

[Joe]

Gonna have to pay.

[Debo]

She back again. $20. Said. Looking back at the gold line, driving the super bowl xl, the one Seattle fan still debate at the exact moment in that play, did you know for sure you had broken the plane? Oh, she talking about.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Debo]

Regardless of what the camera show, if the ball touches the line, that is a touchdown. It don't even need to all the way cross through. If it gets into the line, it's a touchdown. It's still a touchdown. Yes, it is a touchdown. They reviewed it. They showed it. It was a touchdown. Super bowl number one. That was your, that, Was that your first super bowl too, or was that. Dude, no, you wasn't there for that super bowl. You was there for the second one. Yeah, you was. Damn it. I keep thinking that. Seven on here and I'm talking to him.

[Joe]

No, Debo, you being funny again. But you know what? I gotta read one too. I gotta read one of these super chats. Cause, ah, ah, this gonna make us Debo and Joe. You mentioned D mentioned DBs in their jerseys number yesterday you talked about the 40s. Don't forget Mel Blunt wore 47.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

Okay, so look, this one, Mel Blunt. Oh, no. Zero disrespect. That's the best 47. He's the only way. You gotta be big, strong and like ready to punch people. That's what I'm saying.

[Debo]

He' he playing.

[Joe]

He beat somebody up. That's why.

[Debo]

Hey, that's when you allowed to whoop on him all the way.

[Joe]

He wore 47 because that's how gangster he was. Like nobody, nobody, none of these corners nowadays could wear that 47, cuz Mel Blunt, he did it. That jersey number needs to be retired for anybody to ever wear corner. Because we can never make it look like that. Beating people up. Six, six. Like really jacking people up looking because. Because he can too, cuz the rules let it happen. And he was really beating people up all the way.

[Debo]

You can hit them too, bro.

[Joe]

Really? All that, man. So my bad on the 40s. I'm gonna go with Mel Blunt, like you say cornerback. Nobody can wear it again. And then Troy Palomalu. Safeties can rock. 40s, the 40s number because I think that it looked sweet. 40 is not bad. 43, Troy Paul Malu, 43, my man. TJ Ward, 47, cornerback. My opinion, unless. Unless you're male.

[Debo]

He was big though.

[Ben Roethlisberger]

He was huge.

[Debo]

So it didn't full 7 didn't look like a real folks, like a whole wraparound, you know, merry go round or something.

[Joe]

Like he needed to rock that because he had on elbow, like the elbow pads, the elbow jones. Like I'm about to really knock somebody out. Like get you four, seven.

[Debo]

Yeah, you gotta be. You gotta be a big body.

[Joe]

You gotta be big body. Yeah, you got.

[Debo]

You got to be a big body. That's why under six, four can't be

[Joe]

under six' four to wear 47 at corner. And that's why. My bad. That's my bad.

[Debo]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Big dog Mel Blunt, he gonna run downhill. Four, seven. That's all right.

[Debo]

And they could, they could, they could really destroy guys back then. Like a little while before that they used to. That was all rules, bro. They used to be able to just come across, hit you with this clothesline.

[Joe]

Yes, yes, yes. Like I gotta show bro one of these, one of these videos. We want to show some jacked up. Jacked up. Remember they used to play that.

[Debo]

Hey, bro, still here is 477, 20. He said, hey Ben, if Rogers doesn't come back, could you suit up again? Listen, he can suit up, but I'll tell you right now, he's getting in. Anybody could put the suit on, baby. Anybody, anybody could wear the Superman outfit. But can you go out there and do it? Listen, we Done. Hey, listen, he just told you about how his knees was feeling playing hockey with his kids.

[Joe]

Playing hockey with his children in the playroom. His are hurting, like. And then you want to go out there.

[Debo]

Question, will he hurt? Question. You know, listen, I think y' all understand that I. I say, like, I'm coming back and all the other stuff, but.

[Joe]

Yeah, I know you. You Debo that. Yeah.

[Debo]

You know, you played for me to come back. It's not. It's not possible.

[Joe]

It's not human.

[Debo]

Yes, I got the look. I got the look. And that's all I'm going for, is

[Joe]

the looks can be deceiving.

[Debo]

Very, very. You got a lot of people out there. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane.

[Joe]

Come on, man, talk to me.

[Debo]

I'm going for the look. That's it. If I was to get out there on that field.

[Joe]

These are spongebob muscles.

[Debo]

And to be honest with you, I'm kind of iffy. Iffy. But I think pride would jump in my way if my sons was like, yo, dad, get down on the line. Let's do, you know, let's do some one on one. Now am I gonna do. Depends how disrespectful he said it. If I felt like in his heart he really meant it. That might be my last time to stand up before. I can't stand up no more. You know what I'm saying? So I might have to go ahead, get, get ice down, get. Get stretched out, get warmed up and.

[Joe]

How old your son is in high school or college?

[Debo]

High school.

[Joe]

High school. That's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying.

[Debo]

18 and 16.

[Joe]

18 to 16. Your boys that we.

[Debo]

I, I could take the young one.

[Joe]

Okay. The young one for sure. We talking about you, though, going against your 18 year old son, you know,

[Debo]

and he's still working right now because he's still a little weak. Now think about it. He ain't gonna try that right now because he's still a little weak. He got. He's still recovering, so in a year, though.

[Joe]

I understand. But you know, work out like me,

[Debo]

you know, he like, he liked the dirty part, you know, they, they, you know, my youngest, he's starting to like to grind a little bit too.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

You know, I'm just.

[Joe]

They gonna have to.

[Debo]

I, I'm telling them right now. Listen, listen, I'm gonna tell y' all right now. Don't try me. Okay? Don't try me. I'm gonna tell you right now. Hey, hey. Your mama brought you in don't, don't. Don't around make me take you out now.

[Joe]

See?

[Debo]

See? Yeah.

[Joe]

They ain't gonna try you, Debo.

[Debo]

Yeah. Hey, Joe. Yo, you got about 10 years before. Oh, Jackie.

[Joe]

Yeah, my man.

[Debo]

Give me something to drink before I pop you in your head, old man.

[Joe]

You know, he ain't talking to. See, there's no. There's no type of disrespect coming around here. That will not be tolerated in this household. Come on, Debo. You know, we not rocking like that.

[Debo]

He might be feeling himself.

[Joe]

No, sir. That man will be feeling.

[Debo]

That'd be taller than you.

[Joe]

Yeah, and then he will be smaller than me.

[Debo]

I'm just saying, Joe.

[Joe]

I will fold. I will fold.

[Debo]

Hey, he lift weights, too?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

There will be no disrespect over here. They're my good man. They know what's up. They love their dad. They respect. They respect their father.

[Debo]

He feeling better today?

[Joe]

My man is in school right now. Oh, okay. He is in school. Okay.

[Debo]

Way better.

[Joe]

He kept on showing everybody as soon as his brother come home. Hey, you want to come watch the show? I was on Dad's show, bruh.

[Debo]

He was hot.

[Joe]

He was like this really.

[Debo]

I'm like, man, Chad, he gonna be sick Friday, baby.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, he's gonna be sick and be sitting right there now. He good. My man Joey was like, no, I'm solid. I'm good. I'm good. But he jet trying to rub it in. Yeah, I was on the show,

[Debo]

man.

[Joe]

Just funny.

[Debo]

Look here, baby. Man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get to show Joe. Yo, looks like we might have one more chat that just popped up. Okay, what we got, it says right here we got $5. It's a Jeezygo 1982. It says, two of my guys love you both. Debo, give.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Debo]

Break.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

I grew up in Ohio as a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and my big brother, Rip. Rip was a Browns fan.

[Joe]

Love your brother.

[Debo]

Oh, I love him, but that's how I show my love.

[Joe]

That's. That's right, D. That's how you show your love.

[Debo]

If it. That's how I show myself.

[Joe]

Because if you did, if you didn't love you, just be.

[Debo]

If I didn't love you, if I didn't care about you, if I didn't have that connection with you, I wouldn't joke with you. I wouldn't talk bad about you, because I wouldn't. I wouldn't have that there with you. I would give you the straight for how you doing.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. You not you just how you're doing today, Joseph. Oh, you would give me the fake. Fake politician.

[Debo]

Hey. Oh, yeah, I'm. It was.

[Joe]

Was.

[Debo]

It was really good doing. Doing, you know. Hey, Joe, you're messing up this card game, buddy. Come on, let's play, right? No. What you doing, bro? Come on, man.

[Joe]

Okay, okay. Okay. That's. That's how you express your love.

[Debo]

Understand?

[Joe]

I understand.

[Debo]

That's how I express my love. Especially kind of. You know what I'm saying? That's my. That's my next thing from being respectfully kind.

[Joe]

Respectfully kinder.

[Debo]

Look here, man. We will see you guys on Friday, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. See y' all here. Same time, same place.

[Debo]

Let's get it, yo.

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