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When you look back at our. At our, you know, our super bowl runs and the championships that we went through, what is the. What is the. What is the best memories or things that happened that you remember from those two runs?
Casey Hampton
Man, I think, man, more so. You know, it was fun on the field, but I just think the times that we had off the field and. And like, like, hanging out together and, like, on the runs, like, you know, going to New York after the game.
Chris Doleman
I never did that, Debo.
Casey Hampton
Hey, man, you. You was in there working out. You was in the children.
Chris Doleman
Listen, listen, Y' all had it already. I was trying to get it.
Casey Hampton
Hey, man, but. But just. But that's what it was, though, Debo. Like, that's what it was like just hanging out, the camaraderie with our boys. Like, like, just. Just. Just chilling, man. Like, I think, man, it was a whole nother level of. Of. Of just kicking it and just chilling with people, man, coming back from the game and. And. And. And.
Chris Doleman
And going out and being all guys, this. This sort of question, and they say the same thing, bro.
Casey Hampton
It was like a movie. It was like. I can just see it right now. Like. Like the cameras flash, and it was. It was like a. It was like you was in a movie. Like, that whole thing, like, when I play it back in my mind, going to those Super Bowls and. And winning the game and after the game, hanging out and. You know what I'm saying, The after party at the hotel being the trips to Vegas and hanging out, man, it was like, hey, man, it's like a movie playing in my head. Like, it's like it. It's like it wasn't real now. Hey, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't real. But it was.
Chris Doleman
But.
Casey Hampton
But, man, like I said, man, the games and stuff was fun, but chilling with y' all boys, you know what I'm saying? Playing.
Chris Doleman
Hey, dude. Getting booed to sleep, man. Oh, my goodness.
Casey Hampton
Hey, man, that's. That's really what it was all about to me, people. That's. That's the thing.
Chris Doleman
Hey, hey, hey, hey. Nobody but Willie Reeve but Willie Reed.
Casey Hampton
Hey, man, them boys used to boo each other to sleep, man.
Chris Doleman
That's.
Casey Hampton
That. That's what it was all about, though, man. You know what I'm saying? Fraternizing, which.
Chris Doleman
Yes, dude, I'll be trying to tell people. Now, listen. I'm like, dude, I think one of the biggest components that's missing, dude, is like, guys don't really spend time with each other. I'm like, when I see him, when I see other guys on the team, like, dude, that's my brother. Like. Like. Like real life, real talk. My kids call them uncle, you know what I'm saying? Like, it. It's real. It's real family there. And I don't think people understand that. Like, it's. It's real. Like, I can argue with you. We could be damn near right about ready to fight and then be cool three minutes later. Like, that's just. That's just how it go. Because it's real life. True family. Hell, like, me and Peasy, we was going back and forth. Like, everybody thought we was beefing. We ain't beefing no. Hell, that's how we talk. Like, you should have heard us on the phone. You know what I'm saying?
Casey Hampton
Yeah, that's how it's supposed to go, though. When you real bus what you. But what you think it is, though? What do you think it is? Why these guys, you think is the type of money they making? They got.
Chris Doleman
I think. I think everybody.
Casey Hampton
Social media. Like, what is it that keeps the guys from being together like that and hanging out like that? Like, you know what I'm saying?
Chris Doleman
I think this is the issue with it is that everybody right now, they want their own sign and they want to outshine whoever is. They feel like it's shining more than them. And it's so much me, me, me right now that they can't get together with, you know each other and be like, yo, this is us right now, dude. We ain't have social media. We weren't looking for the likes. We wasn't looking for the. We wasn't looking for the comments. We wasn't looking for the followers, bro. Like, if we had social media back there, this right here, this horn right here with Hamp like this with a shirt off, that. That would have been everywhere, but, like,
Casey Hampton
oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris Doleman
You know what I'm saying? I. I ain't saying that H was doing that, but, yeah, H was doing that, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was automatic.
Casey Hampton
Half the we did when we was playing, man, out being out, man, that stuff would have been so viral. I don't.
Chris Doleman
Dude, we in one spot, 30 deep, bro. Everybody shirt on.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, we would have been trouble. Like we would have been. We would have been viral. Like the rulings would have been. We. We would have had a whole lot of team meetings on. On our activities outside. I think a lot of times they probably heard about it, but I think
Chris Doleman
seeing it, seeing it would have been different.
Casey Hampton
A whole lot. Yeah, see, seeing the things we was doing would have been a whole lot different than hearing about them. You know what I'm saying? No doubt about it.
Chris Doleman
Yeah, I think, I think the, you know, the built up of the. Like I said, it's all the social media, the likes, everything, everybody wanting to have their own shine, you know, be bigger than this, you know, that's. And that, you know, it's crazy, bro. You got active players with podcasts and all that stuff. Like how you gonna be an active player then going there like, it's gonna be some tough questions you might have to deal with, man. You know what I'm saying? And then the time that it take to do it, to prepare for it, be ready for it, like you, you taking away from other time that. Hell, like you said, we could be fraternizing.
Casey Hampton
You know, what you're doing, doing your podcast, doing your thing, I guess. Hey, man, so many streams of money, people. You can't. I guess you can't knock the people.
Chris Doleman
No, I can't. I can't never knock you for making you bread, but you know, at the same, at the same, you, you, you, you want to build something and, and get the championships or you just want to make money?
Casey Hampton
Yeah, that's what it boils down to. And I think a lot of these cats, they want to get that bread. They want to get to that bread. I don't, I definitely don't think the championship is valued the same way that it was when, when we were. When we were playing. You know, I mean, I think, I think guys talk about it, I think guys act like it, but I, I think the money, the money, the money's always been a big factor, but I think it's just the overwhelming fact.
Chris Doleman
You know, you gotta think about it now.
Casey Hampton
Floats your boat. But I just think that's really what it is. You know what I mean?
Chris Doleman
Yeah, I mean, you gotta think about it now. You got, you know, you got guys in college, you Know, making millions of dollars, you know, and what's, what's to motivate you now? Like, I understand, like, yeah, you want to make more money, but like that drive, that motivation to, to, to get better and, and, and, and be that top dog at the next level. Is it just now I just want to get some more money or like because you have a whole bunch of cats that make money, you know, in college and then that's it. Like that. They don't get to the, to the money in, in the NFL, but you
Casey Hampton
got guys even in the field, you got guys retiring, they making so much money, they retiring at 28, 29, 30 years old. Debo, I don't give a damn how much money I made. I'm not returned at no 30 years old. If I still got something, I, I think I love it.
Chris Doleman
Hey, I was about to say it's the love of the game, man. It's the love of the game.
Casey Hampton
Like playing and doing like, like the money, like I, I give me all that. I ain't tripping. But going out there competing like that's, that means something to me, like, you
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Casey Hampton
That's what it's all about me, man, going against the other mano, whooping him, you know what I'm saying? Impose my words on him, making him, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm on, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what, that's what, that's what I'm playing past the 30 for 30 years, 32 or playing topic, right?
Chris Doleman
I want to be in there damn near 40, whooping on, whooping on somebody that's half my age, you know what I'm saying? Like, yes, I feel good about that. You got old, man. You wasn't even born when, when I was in, you know, around, in high school. And now you, you out here getting first round money. I'm putting my hands on you, making you look bad in front of your people, you know what I'm saying?
Casey Hampton
Like the motivation. Boys don't have that motivation like that. They don't look at it the same way, man.
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Casey Hampton
Yeah, older boys now, see, when you're older now, your sons ain't young no more. They look, when you get whooped, they looking at you, right?
Chris Doleman
Damn, I think I got a chance. Yeah, he ain't what he used to be. What he used to be. No, hey, man, you can't have. You can't have no man rise up and just throw you down to the ground, and then you got to go home to your son talking about, you ain't do that to that guard. You ain't doing it to that guard. You ain't say that to that guard.
Casey Hampton
No doubt about it.
Chris Doleman
Hey, Ham, listen here, man. I don't think people understand the comedy that would go on, especially with you and Foot, bro. If the damn running back got 4 yards and if the runner. Listen, listen, I'm gonna tell y' all right now, Hemp had a problem. If anybody ran the ball, he already pissed off that he holding on to two people, right? He's taking two. They can't move him. I mean, literally, he just right here with 2 300, 340 pound centering. And then damn guard just holding them right there. They trying to push him off. They can't get him off the line. Now, if the running back got anything more than 3 yards and don't let him get 4 yards on back to back plays, this right here is him. God damn. What y' all doing back there? Y'. All. Y' all ain't doing nothing. Y' all go tackle somebody. What the hell am I doing this for, bruh? Listen, Chad, these boys, Foot and Hand would be arguing so hard, the ref was about to throw a flag on us, dude. Like the actual ref was gonna throw a flag on us, dude, because we were art. They were arguing with each other. Not we. Them two was arguing with each other, man. Why do you and Foot had this sort of relationship, brother? Why did y' all have that sort of relationship, man?
Casey Hampton
You. First of all, you know, Foot is the most organized person ever. Like, he. He got something to say absolutely about any and everything. But, man, my thing that might be Detroit. Detroit, you know what I'm saying? But my thing is this, man. I got two on me. Like, two. You know what I'm saying? And then I. I turn around, the running back is. Is running he five, six yards down the field. Like my.
Chris Doleman
My.
Casey Hampton
My guy. Like, if it's two on me, you got to step up and get him off of me or you got to make the tackle, do something, you know what I'm saying? Foot, the footman is never his fault. Is always when he. When. When the dude run the ball, he want to look up at the jumbo trying to look at the replay. Now, negro, don't look at the replay. You know what I'M saying, man, you tripping. You tripping, Foot. You know what I'm saying? No, man. Foot. My foot. My God, though. And put. Put just like to argue about everything and. And that. And that's what it is. But me and foot main arguments would be. Is if I'm out there and I'm making tackles and I'm doing my thing and he ain't getting no tackles or like. Like, he. He'll wake the defensive line. He'll wake the old lineman up and be like, God damn, you gonna block him today. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he telling. I'm like, foot he sleep. Why you want to wake the dude up? Let him stay asleep, man. Like, why you want to cause problems for me, man? I'm. Let me just keep on whooping this dude, man, and getting my thing. He mad cause I'm getting. Making plays. He want to tell the dude to block me, man.
Chris Doleman
Foot.
Casey Hampton
Foot crazy. Foot gonna do that. Foot gonna. Foot can't call no dude. No.
Chris Doleman
He's too busy arguing.
Casey Hampton
He arguing after every play. He fussing about nothing. Like, I mean, like, I heard Foot just have arguments and just be cursing and just talking. I'll be like, but you ain't even talking about nothing. I think. I think it's like, how you get himself going, man, Right? You know what I'm saying? He just. Us and argue with people, man. But, like, it was. It was crazy, man. Like, and. And possibly the same way I get the in and crying and doing all that. Possibly. Hey, get to set your fat ass up and get. You know what I'm saying? You know, Posse quiet when possibly.
Chris Doleman
He said, you know, he got that voice. He said, so smooth, man.
Casey Hampton
Shut your fat ass up again, you know, you have to say something. Let me go ahead and get this huddle, man. Yeah, that was my guy. The boys stayed. Them boys stayed on, bruh.
Chris Doleman
I mean, that's. And that's something else, dude. Like, the accountability to each other and being able to say something to somebody and them not take it as them being attacked. Like, yo, dude, like, if I can't talk to you, correct you, or tell you what the hell you doing wrong or be like, yo, what the hell are you doing wrong? We got a problem. Like, everybody's so sensitive nowadays, dude.
Casey Hampton
I think, man. I think with us, like, back in the day, I know especially with, like, me they running the ball and people saying they say something to me, I don't look at it like, you getting on me. I feel like, oh, so you saying I'm the problem. Let me show you that. I ain't the mother. Let me show you. I don't think they have that type of attitude. I feel like, why you worried about me? No, you need to worry about me, and I need to worry about you. That's what's gonna make us better. You know what I'm saying? I don't think they. They don't have that in them. Everybody's so sensitive about everything. Please call me out. If I'm the problem, please let me know that I'm the problem. Like, you know, I want. I won't. I want you to be on my ass, because that's gonna make me step my up, you know what I mean?
Chris Doleman
No question, bro. Listen, so the big thing, especially with coach Leau, like, yo, everybody got to do their 111. If one dude messes up, that could strike up the whole band on that. Like, it's. It's nothing that can't get corrected or be stopped as long as we are all on the same page. Even if they hit the defense, he would always tell us, yo, all right, if they. If this happens, that's on the. That's on the defense. Make the tackle. You know, they usually may get, you know, somewhere between 8 or 10 at the worst, 12 maybe. And, you know, we make the tackle and he. He say, you know, you just put that on me. It's no. It's no accountability from anybody now. It's everybody pointing fingers at somebody else. It's always somebody else's fault. It's nobody that got like, yo, that was me. I'm get that corrected. Like, I just don't. I don't know, man. I think.
Casey Hampton
I think if the same. Man, these dudes, man, it ain't. It ain't no excuse, because if the same defense is called and everybody running the same defense, like, it. It is what it is. Like, you can see who tricking it off, who messing it up. You just got to be able to accept criticism, you know what I'm saying? You got to be accepted and. And move on. You know what I mean? And I hope. And I hope these guys, you know what I mean, they own that I hadn't been in that locker room. So you've been in the locker room. And you don't think that they. They don't. They don't accept that with each other or. From what I've heard,
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It's a whole lot more of me. I don't want to be here because it's not gonna help me here, even though you being here will help the team more. You know, it's. It's been. It was. It was a lot of that. Now, I wouldn't say a lot. It was at least, you know, four or five different situations that were happening that, you know, I. You know, I heard about where, like, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Why don't y' all move, you know, so and so here? No, and they don't want to be there. They can't get this, you know what I'm saying?
Casey Hampton
Can't do that, man. It's all for one, ain't. It ain't about no one person. Ain't no doubt about that. You know, man, that's what make a defense great, man. It's about sacrifice, man. You think, like, I tell people all the time, like. Like, we just talked about lay my team in tacos my last two years. You think I don't want to go out there and make plays and. And get tackles for loss and. And run down the line and make tackles and stuff like that, man, it took a lot of, you know what I'm saying, for me when I first got there, because I. I never really knew about that type of defense. When you hold the lineman up, all you. And that's all you really doing, you know what I'm saying? So I had to really sacrifice a lot. Oh, yeah, And I sacrificed a lot. But it was easy for me because I came into a system, and I had a defensive line coach and coach Mitch, and I had Aaron Smith, who was always already there, like, and Kemo Von Olhoff, and I had those guys who were already. Already there, uber super unselfish, super selfish. Could have been. Could have been elite at their position, doing different things, but they were elite at what they did. But they could have been. Did way more, but sacrifice for the team, for the good of the team. And I seen that, you know what I'm saying? And who am I to do anything different, man? I just fall right in line and do the same thing. And. And how can you be mad when a defense and the run defense is as successful as we were all those times. That's when you get your joy out of, man, that the team. Team success. And I think a lot of that is missing because guys trying to get that bread, you know what I mean?
Chris Doleman
They trying to get that bread or they're trying to. They trying to get that shine, whatever that. It le. It all leads to the.
Casey Hampton
To.
Chris Doleman
To the paper at the end of the day. But, you know, once you get the paper, you want to show that, yo, I'm worth the paper. So now you looking for the. The numbers in whatever area that may be. And if it's not conducive to, you know, you know, you being able to do that at a xyz, then that's, you know, that's. That's just not what you, you know, that's just not what you're going to do. I don't know how. Dude, that. For you to lead your. And then have to come. You let your team in tackles, bro. And then come to the Pittsburgh Steelers where the first thing coach LeBeau tell his D line is, you are here so my linebackers can run. You are here.
Casey Hampton
Not even that, man. What's so crazy is, like. It's like when. When I get there, like, you had been done slid through the line and made a tackle and Mitchell come yelling at you, mad at you. That ain't your damn play to make.
Chris Doleman
You.
Casey Hampton
You don't do that. Your job is to hold the lineman up and don't. I'm like, God damn. I'm thinking I did a. A excellent job, you know, but it's all about the same.
Chris Doleman
How did that make you feel the first time he did that, though?
Casey Hampton
Oh, you know, I was tripping. No doubt about it. I was so hot. I'm like, man, tripping, man. Like, what is he talking to, man? I made the taco. That dude that made no yards, and he mad at me.
Chris Doleman
You know what I'm saying?
Casey Hampton
But what made me. But what made me not trip is he doing it with everybody. You know what I'm saying? Everybody is the same way. Like, that ain't your play to make, man. That ain't your man. Mitch, one thing I can say, man, is. Is having a coach that's consistently the same and always like that, no matter what, man. Have no damn choice, dude. Like, he is not. He is not trying to hear nothing you talking about. And that's just what it's gonna be. You're gonna hold these linemen off, these. These linebackers and these linebackers don't make these plays still away, you know what I'm saying? When you watch films, listen, you came
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into a system where you saw guys that were already bought in. You saw a coach that coached everybody the same, that gave you exactly what it was that you needed to do at the position, not the player. They don't give a damn about the players, about the position. And what I need you to do at it. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. You did the best ever. That I don't seen, brother. I don't know why you ain't in the hall of Fame, you know what I'm saying? Like they tripping. They don't understand the, the, the things that don't have numbers attached to it, you know what I'm saying? As far as I'm concerned, Brad, coldest, coldest nose tackle ever played the game. It ain't nobody that, that, that done did it better than you like as far as the ability to be able like, dude, without you as anchor on that defense, bruh, for those years, we don't come close to having, what is it, four or five number ones over that course of time, bruh.
Casey Hampton
Who's right? I think, I think what was different with us too though with our nose with Lebow, is we played the true 3, 4. It wasn't no back door, it wasn't no get reached and just come behind the block. I had to stay front side. Like that's what made, that's what made our defense what it was, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? We stayed true to the old school 3, 4 and didn't give in because like guys weren't even trying to block me no more. Guys would just take off running and just try to get me running sideways and try to just things just, just, just try to tie me up. But Lebow made us stay true. Like I used to want to play the plus and get up the field and things like that, but the ball was like ham. Our best defense is tight. Like that's when you, when you play tight. Well, that's when we play the best, you know what I'm saying? So that's what it was. And that tight, you just in that zero, getting your ass ate up, man. And it's just taking, taking them blocks on, man, trying to, trying to stay front side the best you can and holding on, man. And just made a career. Made it, made it, made a career out of it, man. And just. Oh no, it, it wasn't easy.
Chris Doleman
Here's, here's the Crazy thing, ham.
Casey Hampton
What
Chris Doleman
95 of people don't know is a true 3, 4 ain't been ran since 2012.
Casey Hampton
Yeah.
Chris Doleman
Even though the BO was there in 13 and 14, we know it ain't been ran since 2012. It was changed in 13.
Casey Hampton
Really?
Chris Doleman
It was changed. Certain. Certain aspects of it was changed, and it's been changed a little bit more in each. Each. And each, you know, year after that, to the point of in 14 when, you know, they ended up letting him go after 14. I believe it was. Or was it 16?
Casey Hampton
I don't remember.
Chris Doleman
I think it was. I think it was. So I came back out of retirement. Oh, I came back in 14. So I came. I retired in 14. Then I came back in 14. It wasn't played the same no more. They played certain things that were different, bro. It ain't been that true.
Casey Hampton
Was the boat still there, though?
Chris Doleman
The boat was still there 14 when I came back.
Casey Hampton
So was they playing a true zero?
Chris Doleman
They were slanting. They were doing all. Dude, it was more moving. It was. It was also just like. As far as your linebackers. Your linebackers were doing was different, too. Like. Yeah, it's. It ain't that. That true.
Casey Hampton
But, Debo, that probably helped. I know they was rushing a lot more, though.
Chris Doleman
But in 13, I think I went to Cincinnati. So in 12. Remember when you. Your last year was 12, right?
Casey Hampton
No. Yeah.
Chris Doleman
Okay. We were one that year. So it was. It was 11 2, 5, 1 1. That was 2007 to 2012. And then 13, it was like 16, 14. It was 19 something. And then it didn't come back up until after, like, 17, 18, 19. I think it got to, like, fours, fives and sixes, threes, three, four, five and six or something like that for, like, a period of like, three to four years. Something like that. And then it went. It went. It went. It went back down again. Oh, yes. 13, 14. Oh, yes.
Casey Hampton
That's great.
Chris Doleman
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Casey Hampton
That was a long time. Barely remember yesterday. I remember way back then.
Chris Doleman
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, but that. That true. Like, the one that you ran in 12 was changed up in 13, and it was mostly changed to, like, to assist with getting, you know, players to be able to play without having to learn as much. So things were.
Casey Hampton
Boy, you really got to be. Yeah, you gotta know. You gotta know it. It ain't easy.
Chris Doleman
Exactly. It took me. It took me a good two years, bro. A good two years. Because I was so lost the first two years, bro. I didn't even try. I was Like, I ain't gonna be able to learn this, bro. I don't even know what's going on. But after I went and sat down, I was like, you know what? You gotta take the time to be a true professor, bruh. Laid my bed on the floor, slept on the floor, bro. Just be there all night. And something else, dude. Coastal Bow Coach Leau explained it so easily. And then the extra time that I spent with Butts, bro, it was, it was the greatest help that everyone alone, like, without.
Casey Hampton
Last time, you holler at Bus, huh?
Chris Doleman
Man, I ain't seen Butts since he slapped me in the back at, at, what is that? The breakfast restaurant. He man, he elbowed the hell out of me in my back, man. I turned around, I was about to fire off on. Then I saw it was him, bro. He was like, hey, boom. And just hit me. I was like, what, bro? I was ready. Fire off, bro. That was like last year, sometimes you.
Casey Hampton
The tap Bus, he tipped over, man. But you can go do.
Chris Doleman
No, no, I would, bro. He, he, you know how he, he gave me that forearm shiver. But I wasn, I ain't even seen. He was, he was, you know, he was with his wife Juanita. He was with Juanita. Juanita, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Casey Hampton
She would have gave you a better run than him because Bus with them hips, he ain't got nothing,
Chris Doleman
Bro. Bro, man, we got. Listen here, bro. I want to thank you, bro, for coming on, but we go jump into these super chats, bro. You got anything that's going on before we jump into that, would you got anything that you've, you, you, you're, you're into, you wanna, you wanna talk about before we jump into these super chats? Because these people gonna be asking you some questions.
Casey Hampton
People ain't. No, I ain't, I ain't in that, man. You know, I'm out of, I'm sitting back chilling, man, max and relaxing. I'm, I'm just enjoying.
Chris Doleman
Oh, that's the case then. Listen, man, let me ask you about the new coach. What do you think of the new coach? We got, man direction. We going with the.
Casey Hampton
I mean, I, I, he a winning coach. I mean, he, he's proved he's a proven winning coach. That's all. That's all you can really ask for. You know what I'm saying? Approved coach. They say he, he's a. The greater development quarterback.
Chris Doleman
Yes, we need that.
Casey Hampton
So, I mean, with his age, is he the long term, Is he the long term guy, man, just to start us, to get us Started off to start the get, get our quarterback going. I don't know, man, but I, I like the fact that he's won everywhere he's went. So I, I, I, I like that aspect of it. So hopefully, man, we'll, we'll keep that up. You know what I mean?
Chris Doleman
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely.
Casey Hampton
Yeah.
Chris Doleman
Hey, you see he hired Domita Peko.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris Doleman
He played for Cincinnati.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, no doubt about that. I see that. He was coaching. He was a listen, right?
Chris Doleman
He was in, I want to say. Was it Colorado?
Casey Hampton
Probably so.
Chris Doleman
I think so.
Casey Hampton
As long as he know it. He. Damn.
Chris Doleman
So he's one of those guys that was, you know, he was like, he, he was more. I just talking to him, you know, off season and talking to him. He was more of a. Yo, you guys gotta hold this down so they can, you know, be able to he. That that's where his, his thought process, you know, was. And as far as for his, his whole D line, as far as how it operated with a 3, 4 in. In that sense. So that's a good thing, especially now
Casey Hampton
we did. But all those guys gonna be able to adjust to that because them guys ain't used to holding nobody.
Chris Doleman
They ain't go. They ain't gonna have no choice. It ain't gonna be about what you want. It's gonna be about what's best for the team. You're gonna have to, you got to buy in.
Casey Hampton
We going back 2, 3, 4.
Chris Doleman
I don't know exactly how they are going to run it, but I'm assuming they're going to go. It ain't gonna be that Dick LeBeau style because, you know, Dick got his own thing that, you know. Like he ain't even got a playbook. You know, all his stuff in it is in his head. I'm actually was. I'm actually trying to figure out a time where I could go and sit down with him for about a hot week and, and, and get it and get it up out of there. You know what I'm saying?
Casey Hampton
Yeah, that boy, he got it. He got all too. That's what's crazy, dude.
Chris Doleman
People don't understand how difficult it is to sit there as him. How many defenses do you think we went over in training camp, bro? Like we went over what, 100 plus. Like we had 40 blitzes and then another whatever it was off of those blitzes. So everything that we had a blitz off of, we had something that didn't blitz that gave it teeth and then something that was the opposite of it. That Gave the other two teeth. Like, people don't understand. Like, once you change. Same thing. We were talking about how they change the defense. Well, you change what this dude is doing, you take away the teeth of three, four other defenses. Now you can't even use them because you don't change the aspect.
Casey Hampton
But we running the same over and over, and they couldn't stop that, people.
Chris Doleman
Oh, no question. No question. How many times we be on the side and Costa Boa come through? At least. I say once every, maybe four, six games. Hey, y' all remember that. That defense we ran in training camp? Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. We about to run that next series because he's standing over there on the sideline. He sees something, and he connects that all the way from damn August, bro. Like, oh, that's gonna work here.
Casey Hampton
But, you know, lebow has a photographic memory, though. Lebow can tell you about a damn play 20 years ago. What happened? Was it raining? He. He remember, like, bro.
Chris Doleman
He tell you from his playing days at practice.
Casey Hampton
That's cr. That's crazy, man. That's cr. That's. That's what's crazy about the book. He has a photographic memory. He remembers everything, dude.
Chris Doleman
Everything, bruh. I wish I had that, bro. I'd be like, what you do yesterday? I'd be like, what the did I do yesterday? God. Oh, I did. I turned 48 yesterday. That's what it was. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How old is you, ham?
Casey Hampton
I am 48. I'm 48.
Chris Doleman
I'm saying, what year was you born? 77, though. He was born in 77, though, right?
Casey Hampton
Yeah.
Chris Doleman
Your ass old as hell. You about to be 50. You 49. You're about to be 49. You about to be 49. You're born in 77.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, but you're 48, right?
Chris Doleman
You about to be 49. Let's not talk about what. What you gonna be this year, okay? You 49?
Casey Hampton
Nah, I'll be 49 this year, man.
Chris Doleman
Might as well be 50. Might as well be fit.
Casey Hampton
When is your birthday?
Chris Doleman
Yesterday. Hey, you get your AARP card, bro?
Casey Hampton
I ain't got one of them.
Chris Doleman
Listen, it ain't for. I'm trying to tell you, bro. You better get one. Listen, see him, you see? You. You. You and Joe, y' all got that money, man, I ain't got that money like that, man. I got to get the discount wherever I can, man. Man, listen. Get you this AARP card, bro. You get discounts on everything. Insurance, bro. You name it 18 and older. It ain't for old people no more, bruh. What do we do? You get discounts on everything.
Host
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Chris Doleman
Listen, man, you. You think flights, hotels, whatever, man. Discounts on everything, bro. On your insurance, everything. I'm gonna check it out on their website, bro. Get you one. I'm trying to tell you him especially as much as you like to travel. You talking about like 35 off on rental cars.
Casey Hampton
They've been sending me that on my email. I thought that was they were sending
Chris Doleman
to the wrong person.
Casey Hampton
Hey, man, I thought, I thought that was like, man, hey,
Chris Doleman
hey. They were sending that to me too. And I was like, you know what? Hell with. Let me check it out. You know what I'm saying? Somebody whispered in.
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Casey Hampton
I'm with a discount.
Chris Doleman
30. 30. 35. Off rental car rentals, flights. Come on, bro, I'm trying to tell you. And they listen. Y' all think this is a commercial. This ain't a commercial, bro. I'm trying to tell you, bro, I don't. We ain't got no AARP sponsor.
Casey Hampton
That's what I would say. You must be right.
Chris Doleman
No, I'm dead serious, bro. Zero. I'll take one, though. You're damn right I would. Hey, y' all come. Y' all come holla at your boy. I'll tell you that right now, but I will take one. Dead serious, bro. Need to get you one of them.
Casey Hampton
I need to get you. I'm on it. I'm definitely on it. Boy, you crazy as hell, man. I thought I was tripping when they were sending that to my email, man.
Chris Doleman
That's what they were sending it to me, too. And I was scared that if I took it, I was gonna admit I was old. But I started looking at it. I read into it, and it's for 18 and older. They took away that age thing, you know what I'm saying? So if you 18 or older, your son can have it. You get discount. Health everything. Health insurance, bro, I'm trying to tell you. Twenty dollars. Twenty. You know me at twenty dollars. Twenty dollars, is it?
Casey Hampton
Twenty dollars?
Chris Doleman
Twenty dollar membership. You get all these discounts. Like I said, it already paid for itself with just the phone, the cell phones. That's it? Yeah, that's it, bruh. Super chat. We got Erica Bo. 585-2. $5. Debo for NFL commissioner. Let's go. Nope. They want me for D. They want me for NFL commission. Devo for NFL commissioner. Let them boys hit again. Listen, ain't nobody bringing back hitting. Tell them. Tell them. Ain't nobody. Well, not the kind of hitting we was doing, bro. They.
Casey Hampton
They scared of that, man. Somebody gonna get really, really hurt, man. These boys is bigger, faster, stronger. Debo. Somebody hurt, man. They can't. They can't let them boys do that, man. That's the NFL's biggest fear. Somebody dying out there on that field. That's their biggest fear, Debo. They don't want that.
Chris Doleman
Oh, it didn't already happen.
Casey Hampton
They ain't never happened before, Debo.
Chris Doleman
Yes, it did.
Casey Hampton
When was this, bruh?
Chris Doleman
Look it up. I wasn't me. It was a Detroit line, I believe.
Casey Hampton
They don't want to happen. If it did happen, I don't want that, bro.
Chris Doleman
It was like 78s. Look it up.
Casey Hampton
I ain't know. That's crazy. They don't want that to happen again. That's crazy.
Chris Doleman
That era, Chuck Hughes, 1971. Really?
Casey Hampton
And they let that go on way
Chris Doleman
after that until they started getting them cases, them suits.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, well, I think the head injury stuff had a lot to do with it, too.
Chris Doleman
Yeah, that's the. That's what happened. They were getting sued for the concussion lawsuits, Debo.
Casey Hampton
You know, we had. Well, y' all had a lot. Well, I kind of started it, like, you know what I'm saying?
Chris Doleman
Y'.
Casey Hampton
All. Y' all was a knockout artist, but I. You know, my. Mine was in the books way before y' all people.
Chris Doleman
I ain't a lot. You put Eddie George asleep, though.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, boy.
Chris Doleman
Night. Night.
Casey Hampton
That boy.
Chris Doleman
Boy, he hit that boy so hard over there in that playoff game. That was the first game that I went to, and I was actually active for, bro. Oh, my Lord. You could hear from the sideline said, oh. Then he just went limp. I said, oh, Lord,
Casey Hampton
what was wrong with us, man? Back in the day, being happy for knocking somebody out him.
Chris Doleman
Ain't nothing wrong with that. What you talking about? It was. It was celebrated. What are you talking about? Biggest hits of the NFL. You got jacked up. You don't remember all them when. When disaster hits like, they were selling that, bro. You wanted to be on there not getting hit, but you wanted to be putting somebody to sleep. They added sound effects to that stuff.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, no doubt about it. No doubt about it. You want to get your body back in the day.
Chris Doleman
Yes. That's what the league was, bruh. That's what the league was selling, bruh.
Casey Hampton
Well, after I caught. I caught my body, man, I kind of felt bad, Debo, and I just. I just wanted to get him on the ground after that, man, I just had. I had to prove I was capable of that. I had to prove I was capable of that. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't. I didn't.
Chris Doleman
I just wanted to get him on the ground.
Casey Hampton
I just wanted to get him on the ground. I was. I. I had my.
Chris Doleman
You want to throw a pillow down there, too, so he don't hit the ground too hard? Make sure that none of them in his eye and then rubbers pop up in his eyes.
Casey Hampton
Like, what the people, man, you too violent, man. Like, Debo, man, we old or not, man.
Chris Doleman
Bro, I don't want to do it now. I don't want to do it now, but back then, I did. I'm a changed man. Him, I don't. Like I said. I said to my Lord and savior camp, I'm good. I'm saved. Like, I'm better. I ain't good. I'm fighting fight for my life every day. Him. But you doing the right thing.
Casey Hampton
You definitely doing the right thing.
Chris Doleman
I'm better than. I'm better than I was, you know? And that's. That's all I. That's all I can hope for right now.
Casey Hampton
Well, day to day, getting better, man. That's all you can ask for.
Chris Doleman
For sure. We got boss man. 930975. Debo, what did you and Troy say to each other when you knew you couldn't catch Larry Gerald in Super Bowl 43? And when.
Casey Hampton
Debo. Why was he running so hard?
Chris Doleman
I was trying to catch him. Oh, B ball.
Casey Hampton
You had zero action.
Chris Doleman
Listen, he did not pull away from me. I just couldn't catch up to him. Look at the film. Promise you. Look at it.
Casey Hampton
Stop it, man. You look. You look like robocop chasing that dude, man.
Chris Doleman
Look at the film. I promise you. Look at the film. I could not catch up to him, but he was not leaving me, bro. I stayed the same distance. I promise you, bro. Until I realized he was about the 10 yard line. I was already like 5 yards behind him. I was like, I'm not gonna catch him.
Casey Hampton
In your mind, did you feel like you was gaining?
Chris Doleman
No, I knew I wasn't.
Casey Hampton
But you were just so mad. You like, I just. Just drop all. Do anything you just want to do, bro.
Chris Doleman
I was. I'm like, in my head, bro. I'm like, oh, my God, we just lost the game. And I'm like, I couldn't catch him. I'm like, I just lost us again.
Casey Hampton
No, you.
Chris Doleman
That's why I was chasing him so hard.
Casey Hampton
To feel like you felt like that was your fault.
Chris Doleman
I knew it wasn't my fault, but I was there. I could have got there. I felt like I could have got there and I couldn't.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris Doleman
Like, bruh.
Casey Hampton
Well, they got. They got it back for us, Debo.
Chris Doleman
You know, I was so mad when they called that fake. Hold on, what's the name? In the goal line when they called the fake hole. When. What was it? Who was our center at that time? He got ran over and they said he held. He didn't hold and sent. And. And Tone caught the ball. It was the first down. Game would have been over with who
Casey Hampton
they ran, who was.
Chris Doleman
Who was.
Casey Hampton
Who was the center?
Chris Doleman
Was it hard?
Casey Hampton
Hard? It was Jeff.
Chris Doleman
No, it wasn't Jeff. What's the other one? Hardwig?
Casey Hampton
Yeah, that's what it was.
Chris Doleman
He. He didn't get. He didn't hold him. He just got ran over, dude. Fell over top of him.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, and it looked like.
Chris Doleman
It didn't even look like ho. He just. He like this.
Casey Hampton
He.
Chris Doleman
And it was like, oh, it's a hole. He pulled him down.
Casey Hampton
Oh, you gonna look back for the flag too, though. No matter how you fall, you gonna touch your leg or did something, bruh.
Chris Doleman
I was like, bro, dude, I'm. I'm still distraught thinking about it, bruh. That's PTSD right there.
Casey Hampton
But like, you gotta be kidding me. When he took it, you got the. Oh, man, I could not believe it, boy. And I have you chasing Bibo. I knew he was out of there too. I just want to let you know that when you was the last line of defense, I knew it was a touchdown. When I see you chasing, I'm like, oh.
Chris Doleman
I came in to chase him from this side like this, and he was already turning. I'm like, I'm looking, I'm like, ain't nobody in front of him.
Casey Hampton
I'm like, oh, man, we was out of there, Debo. We was out of there, man.
Chris Doleman
Me and Troy did not say nothing to each other. I don't. We didn't. Did anybody talk to anybody after that damn play, bro?
Casey Hampton
No. We just had that look on our face. We. I think everybody was like, I can't believe we just tricked this.
Chris Doleman
No question.
Casey Hampton
That. That's. That's everybody.
Chris Doleman
We was like, yo, we the coldest defense out here, and we just lost this game.
Casey Hampton
That's exactly what. That's exactly what it was. But it came out how it's supposed to be, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Team game, people. And that was. And that was a team. Win that Super Bowl. That was a team. They built us out.
Chris Doleman
100. They build us up.
Casey Hampton
They build us out, man, we needed that, Jack. No doubt.
Chris Doleman
Woodley and kids will close it out at the end,
Casey Hampton
get his shine on. One time.
Chris Doleman
We got Mike and Mike, $105. He said, what up, Debo and Casey show. Okay, Casey, that picture of Pac and Biggie is dope ass. I can say that dope as. I ain't supposed to be cussing because I'm trying not to cuss. You know, I'm trying to clean up my. You know, I'm trying to clean up my vocals. You know what I'm saying? I ain't. I ain't trying to. I ain't trying to be, but I said it. Sometimes I cuss a lot, but then I done, you know, I lost a fight. You know, I ain't been fighting, though, so I'm good right now. He said, what is your favorite Tupac and also your favorite Biggie song. What's your favorite Tupac and your favorite Biggie? So I already know what my favorite Tupac song is.
Casey Hampton
I'm not a. So I'm not a song guy. I'm not a favorite Hail Mary. I'm a. I'm all out. I'm. I'm definitely Hail Mary, but I'm gonna go because I was in. I was in college when All Eyes on Me came out. So I'm around all the way out the whole thing. I'm getting the whole thing. So I'm gonna ride the. If I can't rise your whole CD out, it ain't really popping CD.
Chris Doleman
What's the CD, Ham.
Casey Hampton
It was a CD in 96.
Chris Doleman
Hey, a lot of people here don't know what no CD is. They don't Know what no CD is?
Casey Hampton
Hell, I got it, man. I had that life after death and I had it all. Eyes on me, CD rolling. Hey, that's what Debo. Man, but you ain't have CDs.
Chris Doleman
Yeah, I had CDs, bro. They didn't. The chat didn't. I know they ain't had no CDs, bro.
Casey Hampton
Ask me about Biggie and Tupac. And I said cd, because that's what I was rocking at the time.
Chris Doleman
I'm pretty sure they don't know what a CD is. They ain't. They never probably even seen one.
Casey Hampton
Google it.
Chris Doleman
Google CD chat. Google what a CD is, baby. Y' all go. Y'.
Casey Hampton
All.
Chris Doleman
Y' all go find out. Or Hit Chat. GPT or dbd, abc.
Casey Hampton
You know, back in the day, you threw them away.
Chris Doleman
Oh, I still got some cd. I could turn. I could turn around. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I got here. This is what y' all looking at. It's like this.
Casey Hampton
It look like this. Come on, man. Come on.
Chris Doleman
Look like this. Y' all just said, man, you know, I told you. Listen, man. I told you. Listen, man, listen. Him. Listen, I'm trying to tell you I'm living, you know, I'm. I'm living legally. You know what I'm saying? I still got a VHS, too. Okay? I can pull out the VHS tape, too. Now, hold up, I got something for you.
Casey Hampton
Hold up.
Chris Doleman
I got something for you. Ham. I just thought about that. I'm glad you said that. Hamstring. Hamstring. Where we at? Hamstring. Hamstring.
Casey Hampton
Oh, that's the old.
Chris Doleman
They don't know about the Polaroid. Hey, hey, hold up, hold up. Hold. Hey, hey, hold up. I got. I got. I got.
Casey Hampton
I gotta.
Chris Doleman
I gotta pee too. I gotta peasy, too, bro. All these. Remember the show?
Casey Hampton
All of them.
Chris Doleman
Him. Him. Listen, hold on. Let me make sure, because somebody. That's.
Casey Hampton
That's.
Chris Doleman
That's the man.
Casey Hampton
That's the club, man. This man at the club taking them pictures, right? They're straight from the club.
Chris Doleman
Yes, bro.
Casey Hampton
Bro, come on, man.
Chris Doleman
Hey, hey, listen, I got all. Bro, I got so many in here, bro. Oh, this is wild. One right there.
Casey Hampton
But I think you can't name the club each one of them at, though, huh? I bet you don't remember which club. You was one of them. I could tell you.
Chris Doleman
Let me. All I gotta do is look at the background. Was either. It was either. What's the one right there?
Casey Hampton
Ballroom Deja Vu's had a cameraman up in there.
Chris Doleman
No, Doubt the one dude, the little handy, capable dude. Yeah.
Casey Hampton
What's his name?
Chris Doleman
His name right now? Yes. He would come through wherever we was
Casey Hampton
gonna be at for sure.
Chris Doleman
For sure.
Casey Hampton
I'm mad about that. He'd be moving his fingers. Yeah. I can't even think of his name, though. I can't think of his name. That's crazy.
Chris Doleman
Hey, hot dog, bruh. I told you, bro.
Casey Hampton
Wait, why was we wearing a big ass clothes back then, man?
Chris Doleman
Bro, Rip. My man Clark Hagen, man.
Casey Hampton
Triple A, man.
Chris Doleman
Triple H. I got all this, bro. I got a whole bunch, bro. I got. Hold up. They don't know about. They don't know about young Ben. They don't know about young Ben in there with him.
Casey Hampton
Yeah, they don't remember that pizza. Yes, sir.
Chris Doleman
For sure, man. For sure. Yeah, and we got. We got Mike and Mike 100. He said ARP about to put Debo in commercial. Yeah. They need to show for show.
Casey Hampton
And they did. And they need to have. You have me on there.
Chris Doleman
No question. I'll put. Yes, I put big snack on. You know, for sure. Look here, brother, I want to thank you, man, for coming on, spending some time with me, man. Having a little bit of talk again. Appreciate you. You know, I believe you should be in the hall of fame. I don't know what they waiting on. I don't know what they process is. I don't know what their problem is, but hell, they ain't let. Dang, they ain't even let Bill in there. So I know.
Casey Hampton
All right. You can't do nothing.
Chris Doleman
Hey, you can't do zero, trip.
Casey Hampton
Hey, Debo, one more picture. The most iconic one of all.
Chris Doleman
Let me see. Let me see it.
Casey Hampton
The most iconic one of all time. Hold on.
Chris Doleman
For show. For show. Hell yeah.
Casey Hampton
That's the one, right?
Chris Doleman
Yes, sir.
Casey Hampton
That's the most iconic.
Chris Doleman
That's. That's still sitting up there with the trophy. Yeah, sir. Man, hell yeah, man. Appreciate you, brother. Again, man. Thank you. It was good going down memory lane with you, brother. Everybody, we want to thank you for watching the show. We want to tell you to go like subscribe and download where you get your podcast. And we will be back here. I will be back here. Hemp ain't gonna be back here, but I will, man.
Casey Hampton
Hey, next time, man, you gotta have Joe on the show too, with me.
Chris Doleman
I ain't cheating. Yeah, he had, he had. Listen, he had. He had a family emergency.
Casey Hampton
Tell Joe, man, I'm telling. When you talk down on them all that I'll be taking up.
Chris Doleman
No, bro, this is really what happened, bro. He was like, I don't really with him like that. I ain't coming on it.
Casey Hampton
Oh, get me back on. So I got something.
Chris Doleman
I got you. We go get you back on here for sure.
Casey Hampton
Losing ways in Cleveland.
Chris Doleman
Okay, okay. We'll get you back on here for show for show. Look here, man. Thank you guys for joining us. Please, like subscribe, download where you can show and we will be back here on Friday. We out.
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Date: May 5, 2026
Host: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker
Guests: Casey Hampton (Steelers legend), with Chris Doleman
Summary by Podcast Expert
This episode brings a reunion of Pittsburgh Steelers greats, led by Casey Hampton and Chris Doleman (Deebo), with the focus on the Steel Curtain’s two Super Bowl runs, locker room brotherhood, Dick LeBeau’s iconic defenses, and what has (and hasn't) changed in today’s NFL. The conversation is raw, nostalgic, and full of old-school football wisdom and behind-the-scenes stories. The tone is laid-back, often hilarious, and deeply candid, with rich banter about both life on the field and the cultural shifts in pro football.
This episode is a treasure trove of Steelers history, inside stories, and football wisdom. Full of authenticity, humor, and heart, it’s not just a look back at two Super Bowls but a meditation on teamwork, sacrifice, and the brotherhood that defined a dynasty. The podcast is a must-hear for Steelers fans, students of the game, or anyone who admires the lost art of tough, selfless football.
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