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Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Dick LeBeau on coaching James Harrison, Rod Woodson & Ike Taylor
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Podcast Host (Serving Pancakes/Guaranteed Human)
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human
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James Harrison
the wrongs we must right, the fights we must win, the future we must secure together for our nation. This is what's in front of us. This determines what's next for all of us. We are Marines. We were made for this.
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Podcast Host (Serving Pancakes/Guaranteed Human)
On the Serving Pancakes Podcast Conversations about volleyball go beyond the court. Today we have a little best friend compatibility test. Okay, how long have we been best friends?
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Since the day we met.
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Podcast Host (Serving Pancakes/Guaranteed Human)
As the League 1 volleyball season heads towards its final stretch, there's no better time to tune in. You'll hear unfiltered analysis, behind the scenes stories and conversations with leaders making an impact across the sport. Whether you're following the final push of love season or just love the game, Serving Pancakes brings you closer to the action and the people shaping the future of volleyball. Open your free iHeartradio app search serving pancakes and listen. Now presented by Capital One, founding partner
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Lily Herman
of iHeart Women's Sports Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, the story of the sport's most consequential driver strike, and plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire formula for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jay Shetty
Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Noah Khan, the singer songwriter behind the multi platinum global hit Stick season and one of the biggest voices in music today.
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Noah Kahn
Talking about the mental illness stuff. It used to be this thing that I was ashamed of getting to talk about. This is not common for me right now. I need it more than ever.
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Jay Shetty
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Coach Dick LeBeau
we were we got James in was my first Year back to Pittsburgh, and I didn't really know James. And Clark Hagens had broke a little bone in his hand about two weeks before we were going to training camp, and we needed a roster.
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James Harrison
Need a feeling. Yeah.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
And.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
And my man Debo has a fill in.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, this is an amazing story. If you got a couple seconds, I'll tell you the story.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
I got time.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
We came in to the, you know, you meet, getting ready to go to camp and everything. And they said Hagen just broke his hand. Said, we gotta, we gotta get another linebacker. And so they're bringing up these names and this and that. Some I knew, some I didn't. I didn't know James. And they said, well, what do you think? And I said, well, Coach Butler is Coach James. And I said, you should get his opinion. I said, I. I don't. I don't know James. And said, I think he would be very good to, to bring to camp because he has some background knowledge of our defense. And so I said to myself, I made a little minimalist. I said, I gotta look at this guy because I knew something about his college career and the people that had coaching him there, and I had a high opinion of those coaches, okay? And. And I said. So I started watching him and, hell, I didn't see anybody blocking me. And.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Okay, Debo.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah, I mean, so I said, well, this guy is not too bad. You know, I'm looking things. First thing you look for is what a guy is having trouble with, you know, And I think somebody in some of the meetings said something about, oh, he's too short for outside pass rusher. Let me see. Well, I saw the tackle get lifted up about three yards in the air and dumped in the quarterback's lap. I said, I don't think he's just about the right height, you know, for what we want to do. Power is not a. Is not a. A bad quality in anything in a football game. So as we, we went along, we. Nothing to do in training camp but have meetings, you know, and you assess what happened that day, what you're going to do the next day and everything. And for a while I just said, well, I'm watching this Harrison guy. I said, I ain't seen anybody blocking me because you're having a lot of drills and stuff in, in the. I said, I think we need, we need to keep a good eye on him. I said, because I haven't gotten to the part of this game that he can't do. And I think that his, his overall build is an asset and it's not a deficit at all. And then James helped me out in that. He led the team in special teams in here. If you remember James in covering kicks and stuff. You were all over place in the preseason games. And I gave me a chance. I said, well, look at there. There's Harrison again. And we kept him. And then it was never ever another discussion after the second, maybe second or third game when Joey got thrown out with Joe Port. Now this Joey was a great outside pass wrestler. And
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
it was before the Browns game.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah, we were up in Cleveland. And this is, this is one thing that changed the rules and how the teams warm up now because the Cleveland was wrong. The Cleveland had a running back, fullback really. And he come down to our. I think we're stretching. He come down to our end and started chawing at us. And Joe Porter got up and smacked him once. These guys are duking it out before the game even starts. Well, the fish will throw him out of the game. And what. Most of the guys were spread around and I went and got Coach Butler and I said, keith, I said, go talk to Harrison and ask him what he's most comfortable with because he's starting the game. They just threw Joey out of the game. And I said, I'm not going to call anything for the first couple series that he doesn't feel real good about. I want him to get comfortable because James had never started a game as far as I know. In the end, hell. So Keith laughed. He said, oh. I said, no, it ain't. Oh, I ain't kidding. James is starting the football game. And so he, he went on back to the locker room in about 10 minutes. He came back, he said, he says he feels good with anything. I said, I said, I ain't just calling anything. I said, what. What's his favorite defenses? So that's how I opened the game. I just. I tried to let him get his feet wet. Cause he didn't even know he was going.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
He didn't know he was going to start.
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James Harrison
I know till we walk back.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
So I think James had 12 tackles that day. He had two sacks, he calls a fumble, recovered a fumble. He damn near September the pass from that. From that day on, I didn't have to say no more good things about Harrison. He was. He was in. We knew we had a player, but that was. I tried to teach players from the, from the film and they. You could see you didn't have to take anybody's word for anything. Look, this is what's causing you some problems. And Coach Butler did a wonderful job with James and turned him into one of the best outside backers that's ever played. And I was. I was always fine getting out of the way of the position coach, because if I didn't think he could coach, he wasn't going to be there anyhow. But.
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James Harrison
Yes, yes, Preach.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
But that's what I would do with the corners, Joe. I would say, look here, and I would just get the film. And if it was in the middle of the meeting, everybody saw it. But if. Usually I'd try to get a guy one on one, if I was working on something that he was having trouble with. Yes. And I'd say, you take a nice step here, and sometimes you get a guy that. That. Because anatomically, that's just the way he had a step. You know, Were you wasting your time trying to get him to do something else? You got to find another way to get him in that position you want him in. But.
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James Harrison
Hey, Joe, you muted. You muted. Hey, hey, Joe.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You good? You good?
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James Harrison
Hey, coach. Super Bowl.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah.
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James Harrison
2006 in Detroit, when we won the super bowl there.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah.
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James Harrison
Did that super bowl have any greater significance to you if it had been played somewhere else versus being in Detroit where you played your whole career?
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, it did have a greater significance just because of that history. But I tell you what, even more importantly, James, we ended up going to six Super Bowls, four in Pittsburgh and two in Cincinnati. And up until that time, I had zero wins, and I was not young then. And I said, man, I played 14 years and, you know, and I'm going to end up coaching 40, ended up being 45. I said, and I can't get out of this thing without a one super bowl win. You know, I said that was. I said, we got to be able to. To get lucky enough to win one of these things, you know, and when we. We got the lead on him and. And they got the ball late in the game there, and it looked like if we could get off the field, that it'd be very difficult for them to come back and catch us. And they moved the ball a little bit and got down there, and I think Ike knocked the ball down on fourth down, down in the end zone. And so we took over and being run a keeper and made a first down. And by that time, it was for sure that they weren't going to be able to catch us. I think the final score was like, 20 to 10. I think, something like that. Pretty close to that. And when that game ended, everybody flooded the field, you know, and they dumped the confetti down and everything. And I walked over to the bench that was. Everybody was gone from the bench. And I sat down on the bench and I stared at that scoreboard. And the scoreboard said, Pittsburgh 20, Seattle 10. And I just kept looking at. I say, it's real. It's real. We won this game. We won this. And so that was my dream to. To play or coach for a Super bowl championship team. And that game ended that hope and desire of mine. And after that, I did. I didn't have any more of those follies, I guess you would call. Oh, I hope. I really. What I really hoped every year was that I could improve our defense. I just wanted to. I. I wanted to say by the end of game five that we were better than we were after game one. And at the end of game seven, we were better than we were at game five. I wanted us to improve. And I said, that's busy enough to worry about who in the hell is going to win the super bowl this year. Let's see how good we can get defensively. And I already knew that what we were doing was good enough to win a Super Bowl. So that was very, very special to me. And then I was sitting on that bed. I'll never forget it. Nobody was within 30 yards of me because you guys were going crazy on the field. It was one of the most wonderful vistas in my memory. The good Lord grants me, however many years he does, it'll still be number one for me.
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James Harrison
Hey, Coach, I never asked you this, but go back to the super bowl in Tampa, 43, when. When you called that max blitz and I didn't blitz, what was going through your head?
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Coach Dick LeBeau
No, I'm going to tell you something. I can tell this story a lot of times because people's all talking about what a great call that was. You know, We were leading in the ball game, as you remember, and they actually got field position on that drive. They were way down in there when they got the ball. And my first looked at the scoreboard and we were three points ahead. And I said, I want to get us off this field with at least a tie. I said, that would be great. And they were getting down in there close, and it got to a situation when everybody knew they were going to throw the ball. And of course, like I say, once removed from the simpleton, I figured the guy thought, since I love to blitz, that I would blitz. And then he might be thinking that, no, he's going to fake the Bliss. And then not bliss, I said, because that would be twice removed from a simpleton. I'm not going to be quite removed from a simpleton. I'm going to blitz. I went all out and James engaged a guy. And in between. All you doing was overload. It was, it was the checkers blitz where you, you got six men and they got five. You just keep trading men and somebody's going to free on the quarterback. So James got a guy through and then he did. He dropped and picked it off. So when he, when I saw he had it, he, he got it in the end zone. I said, james, James, get down. Get on the ground. Of course, you know, I'm 35 yard lines as far as the coach can get. You know, he can't hear me for nothing, you know, I said, get on the ground. You get on the ground, James. Well, you come out and he picked up a couple blocks. I used that thing for speaking in banquets and clinics is what I'm trying to say a lot. Because on that, on that play, the only guy that didn't get a block was the corner clear over here on the left side. Everybody else on the field got a block on that return, and some guys got three. And almost everybody in the, in the hustle and bustle got two blocks. And I'm saying, get on the ground. I'm screaming, get on the ground. Well, I see him get a little open space coming, you know, and then he's cut out right over towards the bench and he went right by me. And I said, run, James. Run, James. And I tell you what, he got about the two yard line and Riggy caught him, man. Rigor mortis caught him, man.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
That's exactly.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
And he, and he fell and he fell in the end zone and he was just laying there in the end zone is the greatest football player I've ever seen. And it was. I went up to James and I took him. If he wasn't the best condition athlete, I say this continually, James, the best conditioned athlete on the squad. There was no, no linebacker going to come back in the second half and play great. And he came back and played better. Second, having he did the first half, which was great, great. But for about the first, I don't know, six, seven minutes and a half, because that super bowl halftime, you know, lasts about 45 minutes, man, you in there forever. And we, we didn't even mess with the players for about 15 minutes. Just let him have it myself. But I went over to James and I said, james, I said, you know that was a max blitz. He said, yeah, coach. And I said, you didn't blitz? And he said, no, coach. He said, everybody knew that they was going to throw the ball and I figured I'd get my guy and just drop back and see what I could do because I knew they weren't going to run the ball in that situation. As you had always told us to think for yourself and know the game situation. And when, when he, when he gave me that reply, I said, good play, James. Good play.
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James Harrison
Coach said, coach would always say, I'm not out there with you on the field, so I don't see what you see. He said, I'm not playing the game anymore.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
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Podcast Host (Serving Pancakes/Guaranteed Human)
On the Serving Pancakes podcast, conversations about volleyball go beyond the court. Today we have a little best friend compatibility test. Okay, how long have we been best friends for? Since the day we met. As the League1 volleyball season heads towards its final stretch, there's no better time to tune in. We really are like yin and yang, vodka and tequila. You'll hear unfiltered analysis, behind the scenes stories and conversations with leaders making an impact across the sport. Today we have Logan Ledniki. I feel like our fan base in general is very connected.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Just like a comforting feeling getting to play at home.
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Podcast Host (Serving Pancakes/Guaranteed Human)
Whether you're following the final push of love season or just love the game, serving pancakes brings you closer to the action and the people shaping the future of volleyball. Jordan Thompson had that microphone out. God forbid we make mistakes or cuss at our coach like one time or two times. Open your free iHeartradio app. Search serving Pancakes and listen. Now, this has been serving Pancakes and we'll catch you on the flip side. Okay. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of Iheart Women's Sports.
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Jay Shetty
Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Noah Kahn, the singer, songwriter behind the multi platinum global hit Stick season and one of the biggest voices in music today. Noah opens up about the pressure that followed his rapid success, his struggles with mental health and body image, and the fear of starting again after such a defining moment in his career.
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Noah Kahn
It's easy to look at somebody and be like, your life must be so sick, man. You have no clue. Talking about the mental illness stuff. It used to be this thing that I was ashamed of. I'm just now trying to unwind this idea that I have to be unhealthy physically or in pain in some emotional way in my life to create good music. If someone says that I did a good job, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Someone says that I suck, I'm like, I suck. Getting to talk about this is not common for me right now. I need it more than ever.
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Jay Shetty
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Lily Herman
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.
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Podcast Host (Serving Pancakes/Guaranteed Human)
Wouldn't you know it?
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.
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Lily Herman
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Podcast Host (Serving Pancakes/Guaranteed Human)
He started getting all this attention and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this, I'm better.
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Lily Herman
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Coach Dick LeBeau
1010 shots fired. City hall building. A silver.40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene.
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Narrator (Rorschach Podcast)
From iHeart podcasts and Best Case Studios, this is Rorschach. Murder at City Hall.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Jeffrey.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Who did it?
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Narrator (Rorschach Podcast)
July 2003. Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City hall hall with a guest. Both men are carrying concealed weapons, and in less than 30 minutes, both of
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Coach Dick LeBeau
them will be dead. Everybody in the chambers abduct.
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Narrator (Rorschach Podcast)
A shocking public murder.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
I scream, get down. Get down.
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Noah Kahn
Those are shots.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Those are shots. Get down.
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Narrator (Rorschach Podcast)
A charismatic politician.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
You know, he just bent the rules
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Narrator (Rorschach Podcast)
all the Time, man, I still have
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Coach Dick LeBeau
a weapon and I could shoot you.
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Narrator (Rorschach Podcast)
And an outsider with a secret.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
He alleged he was a victim of
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Coach Dick LeBeau
lockdown that may or may not have been political. That may have been about sex.
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Narrator (Rorschach Podcast)
Listen to Rorschach. Murder at City hall on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts
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James Harrison
more. So I can't. I don't have a real feel for it.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
He said.
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James Harrison
I got a feel for it from the sideline, but you're actually out there playing. He said, you see something, you feel something. You done made a. You done hypothes it, and you. You feel like you can make a play, go ahead. But you better be right.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
No.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
The most surprised guy in the stadium was the quarterback, though. He. Yeah.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Oh, yes.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
But. But James, the. Just catching the ball in that situation was great. I don't know how many yards they gave you, but you ran 100. Oh, yeah, 102. But you ran 130 or 40 yards. You zigzag back and forth and that was the greatest single play. Of course, it was a defensive play, but I've never seen a better one in football. And my favorite play in football.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
I love it. And coach. Coach always makes a good point of letting his players think for to have a mind of his own. He came over there and asked you, James, you did your research. You know what I'm saying? You knew it was Max Bliss, right? You addressed your man and then you got up out of there. It's like this. It's not going to be a run. I'm still going to take up the tackle and I'm going to just fall back. So him with your coach setting you up, knowing you did your job, and then you using your own mental. So I'm just so happy looking at James with you, Coach LeBeau, because he loves you. I'm so happy that you came onto the show now. Like, it's just looking at Deebo, just smiling. I'm smiling looking at you.
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James Harrison
Without. With dude, without Dick LeBeau and Keith Butler, there is no James Harrison. And I tell people that.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah, well, you. There is no Dick LeBeau or Keith Butler without James Harrison either. Man. That's a two way street, I'll tell you that.
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James Harrison
No, you still would have been there. That don't matter. I'm. I'm a footnote.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
I. I always like to say this, James, when I got one look at you, there was no more other teams for James Harrison. That was your last team that you played for. Now I know you Went over and played the inside linebacker for the team, which would have been good. You would have been fine. But I think you did better as an outside rush.
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James Harrison
Yes, definitely, definitely, definitely.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Question Coach LeBeau, who is your. So out of your.
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James Harrison
So you.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
You're a cornerback. Fellow cornerback like me. Who is your best favorite cornerback that you've coached? Because I know that you have one. I think because is Rod. Is Rod. What do. Is Rob.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Rob. Robbed was probably the best. The best one. Although I had so many really, really good ones. But Rod Woodson was a one in a million athlete. He. He went over and ran in the world track. There was a deal that went professional track in Europe and he was a great high hurdler and he was actually a wonderful punt and kickoff returner. He was fantastic. I went to scout him in college. He went to Purdue and they playing Indiana. That was always their final game of the year. And he didn't. He didn't play anything but defense up until that game. And it was his senior year and he played. He played about 50 minutes in that game. And it's on offense. He was a tailback and they. They beat Indiana and Rod ran all over the damn field and then played corner after. After that. So he was a. He was a very, very special athlete. But I always. The guy that doesn't get mentioned very often, but I always have to mention him when a question like this comes up is Ike Taylor as Ike was. He was. He didn't get. He didn't get the James Harrison, the Troy Palomalo and that kind of stuff. Casey Hampton. Those are the guys that usually got. Got the big mention which we. We were doing enough good things. There was plenty to go around and. But I every week he did come in because if you're going to pressure, you got to have decent corners and corners got it. If, if they can't cover, they damn sure got to be able to tackle because yeah, they can't get you gas. They got to let you come to the table for the next meal.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Yes.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
And Ike would come in every, every Wednesday. Who I got this week, Coach, who I got this week and never complain. And he was on the island with their best guy every week and he'd hit you, he'd run and tackle, force the run. And I love that he's. He. He's one of my favorite guys for my coaching because I never played in college. He was a. He was a wide receiver and kick returner and I didn't even know. He might have played corner one year. Now you couldn't tell anything off the film or nothing like that. And I, we had a lot of sessions on, on that which foot you put first and second. But he was strong and he could run. And I said, look, Ike, here's what we're going to do. We're going to get up in their face and make them outrun us and out strength us. And guess what? Too many could do that. And he let us do a lot of stuff that, that you, you and you could trust yourself that their best receiver wasn't going to tear you up that day.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
So.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
But probably as. As far as an athlete and Rod Woodson, probably the best one I ever had. Okay, I'll tell you something else along that question, Carnell Lake does get his coach Lake. Hey, yes, Carnell Lake, he was a great safety. And I told him, I said, carnell, we're going to go to the Pro Bowl. And in two years, Carnell went to the Pro Bowl. Well, he was at for a couple of years and then Rod got hurt and we were short in the corner position. We were getting hurt there and I asked Cornell if he would go play corner till we got our corners healthy. And of course he said yes, if you think it'll help the team. I said, I, I don't know. I'm asking you to change a position that you've become very, very good at. But I said, he came down 7:30 in the morning on Tuesday and we went out on the field and started working on corner. And he went to the Pro bowl that year as a corner. And I don't know. I have never seen a guy go from safety to corner and go to Pro bowl as a safety and Pro bowl as a corner. I seen him go from corner to safety.
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Yes. That's not, that's.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
I haven't seen anybody since him or before him go from safety to corner. And he did it shout out to
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Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Coach Lake because he was my DB coach when I ended up coming to the Steelers. So I love Coach Lake taught me real well.
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Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah, he's as fine a person as you'll ever meet.
- [30:33]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Oh, beautiful human love coach.
- [30:36]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah. He coaching his kid now.
- [30:39]
James Harrison
Yeah.
- [30:39]
Coach Dick LeBeau
That's great.
- [30:41]
James Harrison
Hey, Coach, what do you think? The recent hire of Mike McCarthy. You like that? We're all in now. We at first, you know.
- [30:50]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah.
- [30:50]
James Harrison
I crashed out a little bit.
- [30:51]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
You did?
- [30:51]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah. I was surprised that Mike didn't come back because of the team rallied there at the end of the year, really, and went some really, really key games. And I thought, well, we're going to get another year, to get this thing going the way we know it can be. And I don't. I don't know that this coach, I know he coached Green Bay when they beat us in our last super bowl, but I've always had a lot of respect for him. But what I liked about the hire, he's a Pittsburgh guy.
- [31:35]
James Harrison
Yes, yes.
- [31:36]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Born and raised there. Now, I know in his heart his lifetime ambition has been the coach or play for the team where you grow up, pretend you grow up in. So I know this. He's going to give everything he's got to help make this football team. I mean, they're close. They've been close, and. And we just gotta win a couple of the key games. And I like it. But I mean, you know, the NFL is so evenly, competitively balanced that you can be close and never get there. I mean, there's still franchises that have never even got to play in the.
- [32:28]
James Harrison
They never played in the super bowl like the Cleveland Browns.
- [32:33]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
World championships we want to have.
- [32:35]
James Harrison
We said Super Bowls like the Cleveland Browns and the Lions. You know, wow.
- [32:39]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
He's just sometimes. Sometimes it's the blood.
- [32:41]
James Harrison
He's just shooting.
- [32:43]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Sometimes he gets really disrespectful. Sometimes for no reason.
- [32:46]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, I'll tell you what. Now, the Cleveland Browns, when I was a player, they played in like eight straight championship games. Because when in the war ended.
- [32:57]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Thank you.
- [32:59]
Coach Dick LeBeau
And the war ended. They started the afc, too, and it was a rival league and they wanted it won that every time. Paul Brown was their coach. And then when they went into the NFL, they put the league, merged the licks together, and they won the championship in the NFL for about four or five straight years or. Or alternated back and forth with it.
- [33:23]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Look at Debo. He doesn't like.
- [33:25]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Nope.
- [33:27]
James Harrison
They had a taxi squad.
- [33:28]
Coach Dick LeBeau
You're an acronym, James. You can't be down on Cleveland players
- [33:32]
James Harrison
that he's supposed to be able to keep.
- [33:34]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
He acts like he's not even from there. He disrespects Cleveland. He got. Do you hear?
- [33:38]
James Harrison
I'm not from Cleveland. I'm from Akron.
- [33:41]
Coach Dick LeBeau
But that's a good, good buck.
- [33:43]
James Harrison
I mean, listen, Coach, Coach. When they fought to keep those simpleton colors when they left and went to Baltimore, I was done. I. I gave up and I went to the next best thing, and that was the Pittsburgh Stillers. And I've been a Steeler fan ever since. You know what I'm saying? And that's it. I've been a. Still a fan ever since. I don't know nothing else to do but black and yellow, black and yellow, black and yellow. That's it, Coach. That's all I know.
- [34:08]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, let's put it this way, young man. I went to six Super Bowls and two of them with Cincinnati and four with Pittsburgh. And I won two, and they were both with Pittsburgh. So what kind of fan do you think I am, James? Yes, I'm a golden black.
- [34:31]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Come on. Okay.
- [34:33]
James Harrison
Hey, Joe, you get out of here
- [34:34]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
with that Dookie Brown with coaches on the show when Mr. Coach Dick LeBeau himself. I'm. We talking all Steelers, straight Steelers.
- [34:43]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, you know, do you know something? And I've, I've always believed this, and I know you guys do. When you get in a huddle with a group of guys for over a series, a number of years and go through the ups and downs of a football season, it's more. It's more than a job. It's more. It's more than an exhibition, a plane, a sports contest. It's a life. And you become part of each other. And whatever colors you got on, they're your colors. You, you have paid the price to put them on. You know what the other guys in that huddle have gone through to be in there with you, and there's a bond. And I would say this to, to exemplify what I'm saying. I played 14 years for Detroit. I missed one football game in the 14 years that I played for them. And I, I retired and I got a job with the Philadelphia Eagles. And the second game of the year, the Philadelphia Eagles were playing the Detroit Lions and I was coaching the special teams and I'm on the sideline with a green and white uniform, coaching uniform of the Philadelphia Eagles. And I'm lining up for a kickoff. You know, you, the guys, there's two or three of them are one foot away from. You could shake hands. They're all my people. They're all my guys that I just got done spending 10 years with. Man, I'm looking down at myself. I said, what the hell am I doing in this trash? You know, I've got to be in Honolulu blue and silver. But it's just, it's what it is because people don't understand the physical exertion that goes through a 12 month session of one year of professional football. And what you're talking about here is. And jabbing and it'll never end. The post, back and forth for sure. You are what you are, brother, because that's part of your life that you paid dearly for. And you earned that right to jab a little bit, but also the right to defend.
- [37:05]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Yes. That's the one thing you were just saying. And this is what I feel in this whole conversation. And this. You being on this episode, it's a brotherhood. It's a bond. It's family. It's when you hang out with somebody and like you said, you're trying to. Each year is training camp, Star OTAs, all that. That season is a grueling season that you go through with your players, with your guys. And when you have dudes that want to be the best at something that are grind and fighting and having you meeting them every single day, like, it becomes a love. Like, you know them, you feel them. And then when you have a legit, like, start doing a dynasty where these guys. We're together the next year, and we're together this year. We've been together for five years together, grinding, and now we know each other. The tendencies when you could start how Ryan Clark and Troy could just start not saying nothing but just moving their heads and, like, communication. That's it.
- [37:54]
Coach Dick LeBeau
And when you got a teammate and he goes down and you know he's hurting and he gets up and he finishes that game, you know what he's going through. He knows what you've gone through. That's different than sitting down beside each other in a desk and figuring out a problem. Yeah, it's different.
- [38:14]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Blood, sweat, and tears. Legit.
- [38:16]
Coach Dick LeBeau
It's different. Yeah.
- [38:18]
James Harrison
Yeah. Hey, Coach, we go get to these super chats in a minute. We got some people that don't ask you some. Some questions, but. But me and Joe gots to get together. We got to figure out a time that we could get down there, get to you where we can get a good week, if not two, that you go be around that we could get to you. Because we got to pull all this defense up out of here. We got to get it up out your head, Coach. We got to get it to the paper. We. Look, listen, we trying to go ahead and put it down. Joe trying to put it to his kids. He trying to teach them some real defense. Yes.
- [38:49]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah. Now, if you guys can get in a time machine where I can get you rushing and him covering, we'll come up with all kind of good defenses. Man, you ain't lying.
- [39:02]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Well, I'm gonna definitely. I need to get some of that knowledge, though, because, Debo, we. We talking about getting into coaching a little bit, though. Coach.
- [39:08]
James Harrison
Yes.
- [39:08]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
We're saying if we're gonna do it, we need to Start.
- [39:11]
James Harrison
I need to be running. True.
- [39:12]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Hey, let me tell you both.
- [39:14]
James Harrison
Fire zone coach.
- [39:16]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Coach him the way you played. You're both great players. Coach him the way you played, the confidence that you played with. You knew what you were doing, you knew what you had to get done. And when you. When you messed up, you didn't really need a coach to tell you too much about what you did wrong. You know what you did wrong. Coach them the way you play. Cause the way you guys played was good. Now, I just want to tell you one thing, Joe. Because of poking back and forth and him getting on you with the brands and all that and everything. Good. Every time, it can't get to be a little frisky every now and then. Make sure you're outside if it gets to be too frisky so you can use your speed, man, and get the hell out of there.
- [40:01]
James Harrison
Okay.
- [40:01]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Though I used to get an argument when the linebackers. Every now and then I found the outdoors was the best place to be.
- [40:08]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
They can't catch you. I'm faster than you. That's for sure.
- [40:11]
Coach Dick LeBeau
That's what it is. You always got plan B in there. A, B, C, D, B is all I ever needed. And that was. What do they say? Fight or flee?
- [40:23]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Fight or flight?
- [40:24]
James Harrison
Yeah. Fight or flight. Yeah. Oh, we got, we got covenant like she. Bad question. I guess this might have been from what's the name question for coach on Monday. You made the fire zone. You made the zone blitz famous. How many quarterbacks do you still think wake up at night trying to figure out where the pressure came from?
- [40:50]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, I tell you what, I can tell you a quick story on that. That's always been one of my favorite stories. I started messing around with it. You have to be the coordinator when you're going to change the defense, you know, because if you're just a position guy, all you can do is suggest. But once you're the coordinator, you can go in and. Might cost your job, but at least wise you can do it. And if you think it's a pretty good idea, you can do it. So I, I thought, well, it might be pretty good to not blitz a big guy who's lining up with his hand, his hand on the ground and blitz one of them little guys that's running around. It's usually backpedaling 30 yards down the field. I said, that might be pretty good. Yes, to fool with them. And then I started thinking about different ways to cover him behind. The thing that I wanted to get away from was the full pressure Blitz where everybody was zero coverage, one on one everywhere. And even though some of the biggest plays of the defense come from that max blitz, some of the offenses biggest plays against the defense come from the same thing. Because if they beat one man, there's nobody with eyes that can go over there and save the big play. And that was. I was looking for a safer way to get pressure on the quarterback and that's what I was looking for. So I would like to say that it went like this, but I went off the diving board into a pool that didn't have any water in it. Many times you were trying to patch up where a guy left a little bit. And I eventually worked into some things that worked a little bit. But we were playing a preseason game and it was in Cincinnati. I was coaching in Cincinnati and their great quarterback, one of the best quarterbacks ever played, his name's escaping me right now. This happens to be every now and then, been hitting the head too many times.
- [43:04]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Marina Marino.
- [43:06]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Okay, so quarterbacks, you know how they do after the game, they always, they're, they're cut above everybody else. So they always got to go over and shake hands and all that stuff after the game. Boomer assassins, our coach or our quarterback. And they're over there chatting after the game and everything. And so we came in, they were, I think they were the defending AFC champs at that time. And they beat us with a last second drive down the field. They beat us like 17 to 14. It was tied up and Boomer said, hey. He said one thing, Marino said, He said, you'd be interested to know. He said, I asked him what was he looking at with some of the blitzes that he received because Boomer had got to go against it and practice every day. And Reno said, well, they told me to look at this and look at that in the practice, on practice field. But when we got in the game, he said, I couldn't see nothing. He said, so I just started focusing on my guy and throwing him the ball. And of course he had a great duper and them guys beat us. But it was a close game. We played well on defense. But when I heard that from one of the best quarterback throwing quarterbacks in the league, he said, I quit looking at anything else. That's what I was trying to do. I want to get that quarterback out of gathering all that information pre snap where they know where we're going, where what, what we're doing. Make him execute the way we got to execute. Everything comes to our keys. After the ball snapped, I Just wanted to make, make it even for my guys where make him read something after that ball snapped or where he wants to go with the ball. So when I heard him say he quit reading anything I said well this, this is going to work eventually. Okay. And that, that's how I stayed with it.
- [45:15]
James Harrison
Liam $90875 he said. Coach LeBeau, what offensive formation or plays were most difficult for you to stop in the red Z
- [45:26]
Coach Dick LeBeau
We had one of the best red zone defenses continually and it was from my experience and your guys ability the, the thing in the red zone you have to utilize the fact that the, the the field can no longer be stretched and your players don't have to worry worry about depth as much as they got to defend the optional stuff happening in front of them them. And what I would do was preparation for my athletes. And we continually ran every, every route if not in full practice speed walkthrough. I was a walkthrough nut. But one guy had to learn if he goes where, where's the next place your eyes going, where's the next threat probably going to come because. And the other thing is you give a quarterback time he's working on just little area pops, pop pop. The ball ain't going to be in the air that long. He's going to get it in there on you. So you got to disrupt that quarterback a little bit down in there too. And there were disguise is probably even more pertinent than out on the field where you got to make him read and hesitate a little bit and then your guys can get to him and, and you make a play down there. You've saved your team four points. It turned seven points into three. And you win a lot of games with two or three points. But I didn't feel the red zone so much. I thought it was Hell no he didn't Leo.
- [47:05]
James Harrison
I thought the damn thing difficult. You heard what he said.
- [47:09]
Coach Dick LeBeau
I thought it was an advantage for the defense really because they aren't going to beat us deep down there. It was no deep.
- [47:18]
James Harrison
Yes sir. Covenant Life back again Joe. $10. Yes sir. He said. Check out the look on Debo's face. This man looks like he's ready to drill someone. His coach is here and James is here for it. I'm scared. She said. You can tell Coach LeBeau means the world to him. Yes he does. Yes he does. That is a hundred percent true.
- [47:39]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Correct.
- [47:39]
James Harrison
We got got. What is it? DM Ozone. DM Ozone. $10 question for Coach LeBeau. Which player that you coach reminded you the most of yourself.
- [47:53]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Oh, well, they were all better than
- [47:56]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
me, I think the bow you had 62 picks. Stop.
- [48:00]
James Harrison
Hey, man, that's what I'm saying, man.
- [48:02]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
I'm like, how are they better than you?
- [48:04]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Stop. Let me tell you, let me tell you this story. This is a great story. I'm trying to think of who, who I was even with. It's not important to the story, but I, I was, I would gladly walk around the guys during stretch and I'd, I'd say, you know, Rod, how many interceptions you got? How many interceptions you got, Troy, how many you got? And then I'd total them up, you know, and they might total up 50 between them. I said, well, well, that's pretty good. You only got 12 more to go to get me.
- [48:37]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Yeah, so you do okay.
- [48:44]
Coach Dick LeBeau
I wasn't bashing, but I called it establishing credibility for your teaching lessons.
- [48:50]
James Harrison
So how many games you played straight? That's another one. He'd hit him with one.
- [48:55]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
171 for you, coach.
- [48:57]
Coach Dick LeBeau
171.
- [48:58]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
171 straight games and then 62 picks. That's what I'm saying. You talk about getting credibility from the defensive players in your room.
- [49:07]
Coach Dick LeBeau
I was trying to get it established that a little bit. But when I'm doing this one day and a first year player, he's down there stretching a little bit and I'm saying about this. And I said, yeah, 72, brother. 62. And he said, coach, coach, he said, and he can give me a come on over. Like he wanted to whisper something. He said, yeah, what they do just throw at you all the time? I said, no, they stayed away from me, man, I would have got 172if they'd have thrown at me. But he said, what they do throw at you all the time?
- [49:49]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Let's go, man. Ain't no way, coach. Ain't no way.
- [49:52]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, let me tell you something though, about that. It's true. You know who the corners on the other side for me in my career here, Night Train Lane. First, he's, he's got more interceptions than anybody that ever played.
- [50:05]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
And it's night train 80.
- [50:07]
Coach Dick LeBeau
He's 81, I think.
- [50:08]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
81?
- [50:09]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Yeah. No, you know something? Krause might be 81 and train might be 78. Okay, yes, they're both up there right at the top. But when I was playing with Train, he was number one. And other the other year we drafted this guy named Lynn Barney and he played the other corner for me. So there wasn't no picking on either one of us. They had to go pretty honest against
- [50:34]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
wherever they threw the ball. It was going to get picked off.
- [50:37]
Coach Dick LeBeau
He got their share coming to Life.
- [50:40]
James Harrison
Back again, $10, she said. Do y' all see the look in James eyes right now? Body ready or not? James looks like he's. James looks like he's ready to suit up. No, I'm not. Watch out. But butter. Yeah, I suit up against butter, though. We have Hawk and he is 92 and Coach LeBeau stirring the pot. Let's go. Yeah, we got, we got that. We got over here, Mr. Stiller Fan. 43. $5. Coach Lebow, can you keep it real? Do you think the current team could run your defense? Do, do we have the players to run the defense efficiently?
- [51:21]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, nobody's going to have as good a defense as I as. As we had with you guys. It's in the. It's in my book. Just no question, pick up the book and look at the stance collectively and individually. But I think, let's put it this way. If I go to a high school game now, I still do every now and then, they're running zone blitzes. Every college game you put on, on tv, they're running zone blitzes.
- [51:53]
James Harrison
Everybody run their zone.
- [51:55]
Coach Dick LeBeau
They're not running yours. The difference is they don't know what the hell they're doing in behind.
- [52:01]
James Harrison
Thank you. Thank you. You cannot change things behind because you don't like the way one things go. Open up too many other openings in other spots. Like instead of it having one weakness, now you got 10. Like, they don't understand that concept. Like, Coach LeBeau is not going to call a defense against a certain personnel because he knows this is not going to work against this personnel. Why the hell would I call it? What we have ended up doing is changing what people do against whatever the personnel is. And we're getting gassed and gassed. And right now I'm hoping that can change, but. Go ahead, Coach.
- [52:38]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Well, I'm not critiquing any individuals when I say that. It just as I look, look, as I look at the game, I see a lot of. Well, one of my famous statements is there is nothing so ugly as a fire zone gone wrong, pal. People in some wide open spaces.
- [52:58]
James Harrison
Yes, yes, yes, definitely, definitely. Well, we got Covenant Life back again, Joe. She said, with the modern NFL shifting and so heavily towards RPO run pass options and mobile quarterbacks, how would you. Man, this is nothing. How would you adapt the 3, 4 fire zone to remain effective today between. Joe, by the way, Joe, we missed you Friday. That's simple. Coach used to do that all the time. We, we used to go, Vic, who else was it? I think you, you muted coach. Is he muted?
- [53:40]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Oh, Vic was. No, he was, he was a handful. Would really run, run past options, stuff like that.
- [53:47]
James Harrison
RG3 was another one that we.
- [53:49]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Oh yeah.
- [53:50]
James Harrison
Junkie Konged him.
- [53:51]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Sure.
- [53:52]
James Harrison
Stopped him like. Go ahead coach, tell him. That ain't nothing. That's something. That's something we used to do on the regular. Well, that was back when you was allowed to smash him too. Yes, that, that comes to the ball smashing quarterback come. That's you. We're not looking for nothing else. Me and Willie ain't looking for nothing else.
- [54:13]
Coach Dick LeBeau
No.
- [54:14]
James Harrison
I don't care what he does. If he do that rpo that run pass option to you.
- [54:17]
Coach Dick LeBeau
He said that's what if they're running the, the run fake with it, you can hit him today. That's what I would make. Make the, the opposite team's owner make his coach quit doing it because he gonna get his quarterback splattered. But I, that's what the off season's for. You gotta, you gotta look at everything that you've done that previous year and people are gonna study you pretty good and the things that hurt them, they're going to try to, to get something that will hurt it. I mean it's, it's a series. The offense actually has the advantage because they the only one that knows where the ball's going and who's supposed to be getting it and things like that. So the defense has always got to be a stimulus response and get their keys and find a ball and get it on the ground. But there are ways I think, of balancing that playing platform up a little bit and whatever the rules are, the game that was, that was. I didn't spend any of my time complaining about what the rule was about how you do this and who I looked for one thing only. What is the best way that our defense can get an edge over that offense within the limit of the rules of how they're going to call it. The FIS was going to call it. And I tried to focus on that and that's what I taught around. This is what we're going to do because this is going to be illegal and we're not going to sit there and beat ourselves every week by getting a bunch of 15 yard penalties. Instead of complaining about it, we're going to take it to our advantage and find a way to percentage wise. It's like playing poker. If you go into the hand with the best hand in your hand, and you're both going to draw cards, you're going to come out with the best hands more times than not. Are you going to win every time? No, because the law of averages is going to balance out one way or the other. But if you can put the law of averages in your defense's favor, you're going to win more than you're going to lose. And that's the way I coached, and that's the way I would coach today with all these crazy rules they got me. I would try to look for what's. What's the best way that we can do it to get an advantage over the guy we're playing against.
- [56:50]
James Harrison
Yes. Yes.
- [56:51]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
I love what he was talking about too, though, Debo, with the walkthroughs, though. Coach walkthroughs. Eye in the sky. Don't lie. You know what I'm saying? Like all of those things, the simple stuff, because you can be. You're coaching to do the right thing all the time. And all those walkthroughs, all those little things, so when we have these communications, when people are motioning, you can't not know what to do. You know what I'm saying? So when you're giving these dudes all of those walkthroughs, all of those time to be able to get. Get your plays good.
- [57:17]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Now let me tell you something else that, that's good for Joe. I would. I would put in a lot of new stuff, you know, each week so that the opponent, if whatever he saw us run the week before, he probably wasn't going to see any of that. It's going to attack the same area, but it wouldn't be the same way.
- [57:36]
James Harrison
Coach will put you in the same position, man, have everybody looking the same. And it'll be five defenses off of that.
- [57:42]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Yes.
- [57:43]
James Harrison
And everything will look the same. People doing total opposites in two, three of them.
- [57:49]
Coach Dick LeBeau
I want them to waste their time and their. Their practice periods when they were working for what, what they've seen. And I had all, every defense we'd run for the whole season on the board or up around me, how many times I'd run it and what games I ran it in. And if, if it was run successfully in the last four or five games, they probably weren't going to see it again, but they, they'd see the shape again with it.
- [58:15]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Yep.
- [58:17]
James Harrison
But smoking mirrors don't move.
- [58:22]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Nobody move. Everybody. You don't show nothing.
- [58:24]
Coach Dick LeBeau
You got to make the playing field even, man.
- [58:27]
James Harrison
Yes.
- [58:27]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Give your athletes a chance.
- [58:29]
James Harrison
Yes. Coach, man, we. We up out of time right now, man. We want to thank you for coming on, man. Really appreciate having you guys. Make sure you guys go and get the book. Book. Legendary. Okay? It's going to tell you everything you need to know about the architect of the best NFL defense. And still in. No. In history. Period.
- [58:49]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Yes.
- [58:50]
James Harrison
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers defense.
- [58:53]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Joe, I'm just. It was My pleasure, Coach LeBeau. I'm just so happy to be on to be able to talk to you. Debo always spoke so highly of you and now just being able to have this conversation with you, I could see exactly why. Appreciate your time, man. Thank you so much, boss. You're a legend.
- [59:10]
Coach Dick LeBeau
It's my honor to be in the middle of you two guys, man. It was great.
- [59:14]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Thank you.
- [59:14]
James Harrison
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Guys, please make sure you like, subscribe and download where you get your show. We will be back here tomorrow. And guess what? We may be having somebody else on Friday.
- [59:30]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
We'll see.
- [59:31]
James Harrison
Coach, thank you again. Miss you. Love you. I need to come see you. I gotta get the rest. I gotta get all that defense about your head, man. And love you, man.
- [59:41]
Coach Dick LeBeau
Love you too, James. Nice to meet you, Joe.
- [59:44]
Joe (likely Joe Haden or Joe from the Steelers)
Thank you, coach. Appreciate you.
- [59:54]
Podcast Host (Serving Pancakes/Guaranteed Human)
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