Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Heath Miller on Steelers Mike McCarthy hire, retirement, hilarious training camp stories

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe, Part 2: Heath Miller on the Steelers, Mike McCarthy Hire, Retirement & Hilarious Training Camp Stories

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Air Date: April 13, 2026
Host/Speakers: Deebo Samuel, Joe Haden
Guest: Heath Miller (Former Steelers Tight End)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Deebo, Joe and special guest Heath Miller—the legendary Pittsburgh Steelers tight end—dive deep into a wide-ranging conversation about team camaraderie, the transition to retirement, Steelers culture, training camp tales, and current moves in Pittsburgh. Heath provides candid insight into what makes football culture unique, reflects on his own memorable moments (on and off the field), and weighs in on the Steelers’ hiring of Mike McCarthy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Life After Football: What’s Missed Most (03:37–07:20)

• Heath Miller shares what he misses most about playing:

  “I miss the locker room… You’re around your teammates way more than your family and, you know, you become close to everybody… When you’re retired, everybody goes their separate ways and you don’t get to talk to each other or see each other as often." (03:58)

• Joe Haden echoes the sentiment about the unique brotherhood and shared experiences that can’t be found elsewhere.

Retirement, Regrets & Moving Forward (05:15–07:20)

• Heath recalls telling coaches of his retirement and seeing Deebo and D’Angelo first thing.
• On why he retired:

  “It was a little bit of everything. Maybe it was a pride thing because I knew I couldn't play the way I wanted to… I was putting in more work off the field… that trade-off wasn’t matching up anymore.” (06:03)

• Watching games post-retirement was difficult at first:

  "I turn it on and like five or ten minutes into the game, I'm like, I can't watch this. I didn't watch any more games the rest of that year." (06:57)

Locker Room Wisdom & Fitting In as a Rookie (08:21–10:42)

• Heath on joining a veteran Steelers team as a first-round pick:

  “I was just trying to get in and fit in wherever I could and just…keep a low profile, learn the plays and just earn my way.” (08:35)

• Marvel Smith (left tackle) set a tone by not helping Heath during plays—signaling to rookies that they had to know their stuff.

  “If you’re going to be with us, you better know what to do.” (09:35)

• Building trust is key:

  “Coaches just want to be able to trust you… Part of that trust is just: you gotta know what to do.” (10:26)

Training, Conditioning, and the Realities of the NFL Offseason (10:42–12:16)

• Heath details his offseason work:

  “Lifting, running every day, body work… always tried to be in the best shape possible to execute my job.” (11:02)

Classic Training Camp Stories (12:16–18:20)

• Hilarious “conditioning test” stories—including a Tennessee speedster who ran too hard, blacked out and triggered confusion at the buzzer (14:22).
• Joe recalls walking into an NFL locker room with true "grown men"—not just college kids—with families and children (17:00).

NFL Hits, Rookie Realization, and Starstruck Moments (18:39–19:51)

• Heath doesn’t recall any single hardest hit (“I might not remember it…” (18:46)).
• His NFL “awe” moment was seeing Jerome Bettis (“I remember playing with Jerome… on Sega Genesis… and then…he’s my teammate now. I better be on my stuff.” (19:11))

Memorable Games, “Heath!” Chants & Legacy (24:35–28:40)

• Heath’s most memorable game: 2009 AFC Championship vs. Ravens (“…we beat Baltimore for the third time that year, and it was at home...” (25:04)), then Super Bowl vs. Cardinals.
• On the origin of the “Heath!” chant:

  “The first preseason game at home, I caught a pass, and I heard this low, like, murmur through the stadium, and I just thought at the time, dang, I guess they didn't want [me]…” (26:14) “Over time…it just grew and started to become a thing as we had more success as a team.” (26:37)

Advice to Tight Ends: Embrace Versatility (28:42–30:20)

• Heath’s guidance for young tight ends:

  “Embrace it… A tight end that can do both [block and catch] has huge value… Blocking…if you fully embrace yourself into it, you can become a good blocker… give some effort, it’s not that hard.” (28:59)

• Panel riffs on the art of holding and “breastplate for a ride” as part of blocking techniques.

Steelers Now: Omar Khan and the McCarthy Hire (30:31–32:39)

• Heath praises Steelers GM Omar Khan:

  “He was there the whole time I was there and always treated me well. He and I have a great relationship, as he does with…most players…” (30:56)

• On hiring Mike McCarthy:

  “I was surprised…The Steelers do things the Steelers way. I was like, okay, they're going to hire a young guy…when they hire McCarthy I was like, oh, different, okay.” (31:29) McCarthy’s QB development experience makes sense considering the franchise’s search for its next quarterback.

The Steelers Quarterback Situation & Building a Team (32:56–35:34)

• Discussion on Will Howard (rookie QB) and whether to draft another QB or build around current talent.
• Joe summarizes the Steelers’ traditional team-building approach:

  “If you have a team around that guy, you're not asking him to be too much, but just do your job… defense, we have great players, so I love the way you’re saying it.” (34:31)

Coaching High School & Life After the NFL (35:49–38:59)

• Heath details his post-retirement life as head coach at St. Anne’s-Belfield School in Virginia (36:20).
• How coaching’s been unexpectedly meaningful, with both his sons joining the team.
• The school is being moved up competition divisions due to recent football successes.

Recruiting, “Daddy Ball,” and Building a Staff (38:59–39:48)

• Joe and Deebo tease Heath about “daddy ball” vs. merit play; Heath emphasizes hiring former UVA players as coaches to ensure meritocracy (37:20).

Steelers Coaching Futures—Joking About Next Steps (39:48–40:49)

• Lighthearted speculation about the trio one day coaching together for the Steelers:

  "Heath, you give me head coach vibes a thousand percent…So if you keep this thing going, you’ll be the head coach for the Steelers next, and then Debo, DC, and then I’ll go cornerbacks coach.” (40:07)

Intense Practice Stories: James Harrison & Troy Polamalu (46:34–48:53)

• Heath’s battle stories with James Harrison (“Debo”):

  “James never talked to me… he always had the scowl on…after every practice I try to get in the cold tub…Debo’s in there. It’s just me and Debo.” (46:34)

• The “scowl” became a running joke—Heath realizing later it was part personality, part intimidation tactic.

Hitting Stories: Who Held Up for Who? (58:06–61:20)

• Joe and Deebo debate who would “hold up” a receiver for a big hit, with Heath diplomatically noting he’d probably do it—but seeking longevity.

Fan Support and the “Heath” Chant Impact (54:47–55:30)

• Heath feels the deep love from Pittsburgh’s fans:

  “You just felt the love from the city and how much they appreciated what you were doing for the team and the hard work that you were putting in.” (54:47)

• Pittsburgh’s small-town/big-city spirit, and how “everywhere you go, they got on black and yellow.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On retiring:
  “Maybe it was a pride thing because I knew I couldn't play the way I wanted to.” (06:03 – Heath Miller)
• On locker room culture:
  “You get 60, 70 grown men…nowhere else in the world that you can go find that.” (04:42 – Joe Haden)
• On advice to young TEs:
  “A tight end that can do both has huge value… Learn the technique and give some effort.” (28:59 – Heath Miller)
• On the “Heath!” chant:
  “At first I thought they were booing. I was like, oh, they must have wanted somebody else…” (26:14 – Heath Miller)
• On coaching high school:
  “I’m 10 toes in… I had to surround myself with the best coaches that I could.” (36:15 – Heath Miller)
• On Steelers’ QB prospects:
  “If you like Will Howard, I don’t think there’s any point in reaching [for a rookie QB].” (33:42 – Heath Miller)
• On the McCarthy hire:
  “When they hire McCarthy, I was like, oh, different, okay… he knows the history of the Steelers. He grew up in the city of Pittsburgh.” (32:03 – Heath Miller)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:37–07:20 — Retirement reflections & what gets missed most
• 08:21–10:42 — Rookie season, locker room survival tips, trust culture
• 12:16–18:20 — Hilarious/insane training camp & conditioning stories
• 24:35–28:40 — Most memorable game, fan support, the origin of the “Heath” chant
• 28:42–30:20 — Advice for young tight ends
• 30:31–32:39 — Leadership praise for Omar Khan & the unexpected Mike McCarthy hire
• 32:56–35:34 — Steelers quarterback conundrum & building a championship team
• 35:49–38:59 — Heath’s transition to high school head coach
• 46:34–48:53 — Practice wars between Heath and James Harrison (“Debo”)
• 54:47–55:30 — Impact of the “Heath!” chant & Pittsburgh’s football culture

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Episode Tone & Closing

Warm, candid, and often hilarious, this episode is rich in stories—both heartwarming and wild—from locker room life to high school coaching. Heath Miller’s authenticity and humility shine throughout, as he and the hosts riff about football culture, the importance of effort and trust, and the ongoing evolution of the Steelers franchise.

If you ever wanted to know what truly builds NFL bonds, memories, and leadership structures, this episode is a must-listen for both Steelers fans and those interested in football’s inner workings.

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Transcript

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[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, man, is there anything that you, you miss about playing football? Because, you know, you left a year or two too early. But you know, we ain't go, you know, we ain't go fault you on that, you know, even though we tried to get you to stay d' Angelo and myself personally. But, you know, is there anything that you miss?

[Heath Miller]

I miss the locker room. I miss the locker room. I miss being around, you know, like we talked about, you're around your teammates way more than your family and, you know, you become close to everybody. We kind of all go through at that age and stage in life, everybody goes through, you know, kind of monumental moments in your life, whether it be getting married, having kids, starting a family, like all these things we go through together. And then, you know, kind of when you're retired, everybody goes their separate ways and you don't get to talk to each other or see each other as often as, as you do. So I miss, I miss going to the weight room and seeing Debo every morning and, you know, being in the locker room and playing, whatever, just hanging out, just being around the guy, that's what I miss the most.

[Joe Haden]

Yep, that's the same, same thing. I think that's the answer for most of the guys because you don't get that. You get 60, 70 grown men that are willing, that will be there on time at the same place, working to the same goal, trying to be the best they can be. And there's nowhere else in the world that you can go find that. So that's. That's the normal answer that we get. So when you say that, I'm like this. Yes, it's. It's the locker room.

[Heath Miller]

It's a special place because it's. And all those guys have been through probably the same thing to get to where they are. Shared experiences, same goals. We're all the same people.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Essentially, at the end of the day, the core of who we are is the same for the most part. And that's what, that's what builds the bonds. But yeah, when I walked in the last day to. To. To meet the coaches and retire, you know, to let them know the news. First person I see when I go through the door, Debo and d'. Angelo.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

He said, what are you doing here? So what are you doing here?

[Joe Haden]

They knew. They knew. Debo, you knew.

[Deebo Samuel]

It's talking about he retiring, like, for what? What. What are you talking about?

[Joe Haden]

Where are you going?

[Deebo Samuel]

What?

[Joe Haden]

He was coming.

[Deebo Samuel]

What? I done came back to this. What is you talking about, bro? You leaving?

[Joe Haden]

Was it like a body. Was it a body situation, Heath, you think? Were you just kind of ready, ready to go?

[Deebo Samuel]

I.

[Heath Miller]

It was a little bit of everything. I knew it was time. Maybe it was a pride thing because I knew I couldn't play the way I wanted to or expected out of myself, you know, and I. I knew I could still be productive, and I knew I still had a role on the team, but I felt like if I couldn't, I was putting in. As you get older, you know, you put in more and more work off the field to be your best on the field. I felt like that, that trade off wasn't matching up anymore. You know, I was putting in more and more work, and I wasn't still as good as I would. Had hoped to be or feel as good as I hoped to feel on Sunday. So I knew, I knew it was time. I don't have, you know, first year out was probably tough, but some, you know, some second thoughts, especially when the first game I think the Steelers played on Monday Night Football versus the Redskins, I believe so. I'm excited. I'm like, I'm gonna watch the game. I turn it on and like five or ten minutes into the game, I'm like, I can't watch this. I can't watch it. I didn't watch any more games the rest of that year. I'm like, too soon.

[Joe Haden]

Way Too soon?

[Heath Miller]

Yeah. I'm like, I'm supposed to be in the huddle. Like, this is. I'm looking at all my guys in the hud and I'm like, it looks like I know what plays. They're running everything. I gotta take a step back, so. But it's all good now.

[Deebo Samuel]

Watch the games. You can, you could, you could.

[Joe Haden]

You can watch the games now.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can watch games now.

[Deebo Samuel]

You've been watching?

[Heath Miller]

I've been. When I can. Yeah. You know, with our kids.

[Deebo Samuel]

Big giant ass tight end they got. Bro, my Washington, that boy like 7 foot, 500 pounds.

[Heath Miller]

I saw him a few years ago and we all got a big before game, we went out had. I took a. I took a picture with all the tight ends and then I see the picture after the fact and he's like two feet taller. Like, I should have moved a little bit further away from this dude. He's a giant.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, yes. He's humongous.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, but they got. He's a. He's a really good player. I mean, going back to doing both like you were talking about Debo, he's. He's a problem in the running game and he makes. He's. He's athletic enough and he has good enough hands to make plays in the passing game too. So I'm excited to see, you know, how his career unfolds.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, definitely. Definitely something. Something to watch for. Sure. For sure.

[Joe Haden]

So coming out of, coming out of uva, I gotta ask you, because I was a. I was a first round pick also, but what would you say of how did you manage your expectations coming in as a first rounder? What was your thought process?

[Heath Miller]

Well, I knew I was coming to a really good team. They were 151 the year before, so 501 lost in the AFC championship. So I was coming to a good team. I was just trying to get in and fit in wherever I could and just kind of keep a low profile, learn the plays and just kind of earn my way. And you know, that's one thing I think too, that back in the day, it was. You had to earn your way.

[Deebo Samuel]

And I don't care where you were drafted.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

I mean, and Marvel Smith, who was the left tackle at the time, and Max was. Max talked to me a little more. Max Starks, he's a Florida guy, he was on the right side. So I remember when I first got there, I'm lining up if I get reps with the ones I'm lining up beside Marvel. And I'm like trying to echo the calls in the run game, because I think I know what I'm doing, but I won't, you know, I'm needing a little confirmation.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Marvel is in his stance. He's looking straight ahead. He don't even acknowledge me next to him. I'm like, I better get my playbook because Marvell's not going to help me out

[Deebo Samuel]

crooked.

[Heath Miller]

But it was like the state, it was the standard. It's like, if you're going to be with us, you. You better know what to do, you know, and you better get your job done. So I knew. I stopped asking Marvel for the calls after that and got my playbook a little more.

[Joe Haden]

So no, for sure. I love it because I think some, especially just coming in hard hat, you gotta. When you coming in, like, same thing, you want to prove yourself to the guys. And the best way to do that is know what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? Like, they already know. They know the playbook. The quicker you learn that playbook, that's the quicker you're gonna get the respect from the guys. When people start motioning you not just looking around, what's the call, what's the play? No, you're in here with us, know what's going on, and then that's going. I think that that gets you right.

[Heath Miller]

First 100. Yeah. It's like, even with coaches, you know, guys think you got to be. You got to make this amazing play here, this amazing play there. They just want to be able to trust you.

[Joe Haden]

Yes.

[Heath Miller]

Are you going to know what to do? Are you going to be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there? And same with. With quarterbacks and teammates, too. They're going to put guys on the field who they trust a thousand percent. Part of that trust is just. No. Yeah, you gotta know what to do.

[Joe Haden]

Yep.

[Deebo Samuel]

You talked about. About your body, you know, combination of pride and body. What was your off season? You know, training, like, to prepare for the season. Because, you know, for me, the hardest thing was like, yo, can I make it through another off season? Training for the season? Because getting into the season was the easy part.

[Heath Miller]

I would always take a few weeks off. And then, you know, after being at home for a little bit, you start to get it. My wife's like, it's probably time for you to start working out. Right. And I knew that. I knew after that, like, okay, yeah, it's time for me to get back into it. But, you know, I. I stayed in Pittsburgh, Debo and I Trained a couple, like early on, before you started going to Arizona. We trained a little bit in the summertime, early in my career, and I kind of stayed with those guys and just push yourself in the off season. Then I started adding the body work later in my career. So, you know, that took more time, but yeah, it was lifting, running every day, body work usually in the afternoon and add some skill stuff in there as well. So, you know, I always tried to be, you know, again, being in condition was one of the things was in my control, just like learning the place. So I always tried to always know exactly where I was supposed to be, exactly what I'm supposed to do, and also be in the best shape possible to. To execute my job. And, you know, it's funny, with all the money that's on the line in the NFL, every year, there's guys that come in and don't know the plays and is out of shape and can't do the test. And it always blew my mind when that happened. It's like, guys, right? What were you doing?

[Deebo Samuel]

Remember the one dude? He. The one cat. I don't know if he was there yet, but he had. He had. He was. He was a receiver. He had a bullet on his. On his leg. A tattoo bullet. And it was. It said speed kill.

[Heath Miller]

I don't know his name.

[Deebo Samuel]

He running the 40s. Like it was a. A race.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

And he liked to passed out at like 8. They ended up I.V. ing him up and knocking him down. He took off a buzzer that wasn't even his. Were you there for that?

[Heath Miller]

Yes. Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, Joe, it was. It was. It was a receiver there. And he. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was Tennessee, right?

[Heath Miller]

I think so. Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

He was from Tennessee.

[Heath Miller]

It was an SEC school. I think it was Tennessee. Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. He was a track dude. And his 40 was something crazy.

[Heath Miller]

What?

[Deebo Samuel]

It was like, like a 42 something or something like that goofy something fast. At that time, bro, we did a 40 test and basically what they did is they put like a half second on your 40 time. Your. Your time. Put a half second on it. And you had to run it at that time. And then you jog back and you had. As soon as you ran it, you had. What was it, 30 seconds, 35 seconds. He.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, you had to jog all the way back to the line and the recovery time, then go again. It was quick, right?

[Deebo Samuel]

So everybody knows that. Hey, they trying to tell him, like, yo, just make it just in time.

[Joe Haden]

Just in time.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Joe Haden]

So bruh don't blow your hole right

[Deebo Samuel]

when I say this boy was stroking out there. We were sitting back and we looking and you know how you run and you get the. So you gotta be like touching the line when you go to the beat. No, no, no, no, no. He touching the line. Jogging back. I said, oh, he doing like the first 2, 3, 4. Yeah, he's still busting them, right? Jogging back, man, that boy got to about 5. He started slowing down a little bit, man. Yeah, he started hamstrings down some more, Bruh.

[Joe Haden]

Hamstrings.

[Deebo Samuel]

By seven. No, by seven he was hitting the buzzer.

[Joe Haden]

What?

[Deebo Samuel]

We had 14. Was it 14?

[Heath Miller]

1440s.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, 14.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, 1440s.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, he got to eight and he just made that one. But it was nine that took him out. So it was two groups running. So you got the buzzer and the whistle going for the two groups and they're, they're separate. You could, you could hear it. Yeah, man, that boy that got so tired, you hear this when he can't walk, he done got back. He done heard the buzzer from the other one. He is so out of it and gone. He takes off running, but he's doing diagonals this way. No, that falls out.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, he was blacked out. He was blacked out,

[Deebo Samuel]

dude.

[Joe Haden]

No, sir.

[Heath Miller]

Here's the thing, too. It's. It's not like you showed up and, and the test was a surprise.

[Joe Haden]

It's a surprise.

[Heath Miller]

No conditioning test. We don't know what it is like. No, you knew what it was the whole time. You could be practicing.

[Joe Haden]

Supposed to be running this at the summer the whole time, making sure during

[Deebo Samuel]

these times he's not realizing, this ain't attract me, bro. This, this is, this is a conditioning test, bro.

[Joe Haden]

He's trying to impress.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's.

[Joe Haden]

They're trying to impress. That's not going to impress the coach

[Deebo Samuel]

telling me just run and bro, when I say he. He had to be at least five yards back by the time the buzzer was hitting sometimes, wasn't he?

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. I tell you another funny story. My rookie year, we showed up and I'm nervous to run the test. And like, you know, you walk into an NFL locker room and you're not. You know, in college, there's guys two or three years younger than you, right? You're kind of the same age.

[Joe Haden]

Yes.

[Heath Miller]

You walk into the NFL, there's. There's some grown men, right?

[Joe Haden]

Grown up children.

[Heath Miller]

They got kids driving in, in the minivans. They got kids at home like, this is the real deal. This is like, yes, this means this is their career. So I look over, the linemen are running and Keemo Von Allhoffen was. He was probably, I don't know what year Debo. You remember him?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I remember Chemo.

[Heath Miller]

Chemo's over there running 1440s in his bare feet. Yeah, like he don't even have shoes on.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm like, how?

[Heath Miller]

Because you gotta. And this is like starting and stopping. Like you're planting, like you're coming in with some force to plant. And drew him back. He's over there running in his bare feet. I'm like, oh, this guy's this, this man.

[Joe Haden]

He's built differently.

[Heath Miller]

What did I say? Ike said he's a man of the earth.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, yeah, he's getting grounded.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, he was, he was onto the whole grounding thing before it took off, so.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, yeah, no, when you say that, it reminds me of when I came into that locker room from the. To the Browns my rookie season and we had big baby Davis, number 92, he was on the team that was one of the biggest. That was one of the biggest humans I've ever seen. So much swag, so chill, so nice. I was like, like, he could be my dad, but he's on my team, you know what I'm saying? I was 21, just turned 21 seven days ago, and I got a 34 year old man on my team with a 12 year old son, you know what I'm saying? Walking around, I'm like this, oh my goodness. Okay. Hey, you got kids, Major. I'm like, what's going on, Mr. Davis? You know what I'm saying? Joe Hayden here, ready, Whatever you need. So like really like when I walked in there, I'm like this, these are grown men and I'm looking to take food off their plates. That's how they're looking at me, the other corners, you know what I'm saying? You talk about looking over, not getting help on the play. I'm like, well, you better know exactly what you're doing. Cause you're trying to take my spot. So it's real, real loud.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, I ain't gonna lie. We ain't had that. I ain't gonna lie. My OGs helped me out though.

[Joe Haden]

My OGs helped me out too. But I'm just saying, when you looking around, not everybody's looking at you like trying to help you out. The OGs, Eric Wright, Sheldon Brown, looking out for me perfectly. Those dudes, they're grown, they're vets. They know what's up. Everybody else like this. All right.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey. Hey.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey. That second stringer looking at you right now, like, tell him even what time it was.

[Joe Haden]

Meetings at meetings at 47. I'm like, this. No, it's not.

[Heath Miller]

You better check your itinerary. Yeah, don't ask your itinerary.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, man. Bruh, he's.

[Joe Haden]

Question. What? Do you remember the hardest hit that you've gotten when you were in the league?

[Heath Miller]

Oh, that's a good question. I might not remember it because

[Joe Haden]

Might

[Heath Miller]

have woke up so hard.

[Joe Haden]

Might have put you to God.

[Heath Miller]

No, I don't. I don't. There's no one that really stands. Stands out as the. The hardest.

[Deebo Samuel]

I took my welcome to the NFL moment.

[Joe Haden]

I took my share welcome to the NFL moment. That's a good one.

[Heath Miller]

I'd say just the realization of walking down the hallway in the Steeler facility for the first time and seeing, like, the pictures on the wall. Like, I remember playing with Jerome. Jerome Bettis, like on a Sega Genesis or something. College football when he was real 6 at Notre Dame when I was a kid.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Like, and then. And. And that's walking to the cafeteria and he's one of the first guys I see. I'm like, whoa, he's my teammate now. Like, I better be on my stuff. Like, I'm blocking for the bus. I better know.

[Joe Haden]

Better know exactly what I'm doing.

[Heath Miller]

I'm not gonna let my guy hit him, you know, let my guy take him out. So I think just, you know, coming. Coming from us.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jewels. All right, real quick, take a look at right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why?

[Joe Haden]

What's wrong?

[Julian Edelman]

Nothing's wrong. You look like a guy running on three hours of sleep and vibes.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

Okay. Yeah, I'm tired, kind of cranky, and very thirsty.

[Julian Edelman]

Congrats. Those are some of the potential signs of mild dehydration. And I bet your last bathroom break showed you another sign your body might be throwing you a penalty flag.

[Deebo Samuel]

So what's the play?

[Julian Edelman]

Call Liquid IV hydration multiplier. One stick in water. Helps hydrate faster than water alone.

[Heath Miller]

Okay, but where's the proof?

[Julian Edelman]

Liquid IVs. Clinical studies, not just a guy. I know. Real science. Results you can trust.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, take a look at me now. Liquid IV is officially part of my daily hydration routine.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

Pass the firecracker. Popsicle flavor.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

And Doug, there's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual. Even if it means sitting front row at a comedy show.

[Heath Miller]

Hey, everyone. Check out this guy and his bird. What is this? You're your first date? Oh, no.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league anyways.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty.

[Heath Miller]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.

[Lily Herman]

Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herrman, as we dive into the underexplored pocket of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.

[Deebo Samuel]

Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.

[Heath Miller]

Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.

[Lily Herman]

The story of the sport's most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention, and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this. I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman, host of Games with Names. On our latest episode, we got comedian Blake Anderson from Workaholics and the hilarious this is important podcast.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's go.

[Heath Miller]

We did beat him in improv.

[Julian Edelman]

You had an improv against the team?

[Heath Miller]

Yes. We would pull up, their schools would be there with signs for us. It's competition. It's what you would win.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

Is a bottle of Goldschlager.

[Heath Miller]

James Fester threw it out of a van because he didn't want us drinking it.

[Julian Edelman]

For more games with names, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

[Deebo Samuel]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.

[Heath Miller]

Hi, dad.

[Deebo Samuel]

And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and

[Heath Miller]

she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is badass, convict. Me just finished buying you.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm gonna have cookies and milk at Mom.

[Heath Miller]

On the Cino show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor cultural icon Danny Trail. Talk about addiction, transformation, and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available to binge, featuring powerful conversations with the guests like Tiffany Adish, Johnny Knoxville, and more.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm an alcoholic, and without this problem, I'm gonna die.

[Heath Miller]

Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the Cino show and listen now. Small town like I grew up in, you know, not a lot of people. Well, no one did what I did as far as make it to the NFL for my school, ever. I was the first person. Now we have two, actually. But, you know, and then realizing, whoa, this is like. This is it. Like, you see the big names and, you know, they're your teammates, and then you realize what good people they are on top of it and why they've had the success that they've had. That was probably. As opposed to a moment on the field. It was probably that moment for me.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay, hey, most memorable game, because I'm. I may remind you of something that somebody said, but most memorable game, Heath,

[Heath Miller]

for me, I'd say number one AFC championship game in 2000, I guess before Super Bowl 43. So that would be 09. When we beat the Ravens at home for the third time. Troy had the interception.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay. Oh, yes.

[Joe Haden]

Okay. Oh, yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Followed by the soup. Followed by super bowl versus the Cardinals would be the next. But I'd say because we. We beat Baltimore for the third time that year, and it was at home, that was. That made it even sweeter. So that was probably my most memorable game.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I think. Yeah. That was the year we popped the Jets. Right beforehand, Right. Or was it after the Jets?

[Heath Miller]

No, we. We beat the Cardinals. No, we beat the Chargers. I think we had a buy. We beat the Chargers at home, then we beat Baltimore at home, then we beat the Cardinals, and then we beat the Jets, I think, before packers, right?

[Deebo Samuel]

That's right. Yeah, that's right.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

See, that's what I'm trying to tell you. My cte bad.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, he feels.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's.

[Joe Haden]

That was Good memory right there.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, I can remember some things.

[Deebo Samuel]

My memory. Hot garbage.

[Heath Miller]

You can use it to your benefit, though, sometimes, too, Debo. It's a good.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know what I'm saying? Gotta do what you gotta do when you can do it. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, look here. Hey, when did the Heath chant start?

[Heath Miller]

Yes, it started my rookie year in the. In a. It kind of grew over time, but the first preseason game at home, I caught a pass, and I heard, like, this low, like, murmur through the stadium, and I just thought at the time, like, dang. I guess they didn't want. Like.

[Joe Haden]

They didn't want me to get the ball.

[Deebo Samuel]

They didn't know your name?

[Heath Miller]

You know, I thought they were booing. I was like, oh, they must have wanted somebody else. So. But then over time, I think it just grew and, you know, started to become a thing as we had more success as a team and I grew as a player, so. But, yeah, the first. I remember at home, first game, and it was kind of like,

[Joe Haden]

oh, yeah, hold on, hold on. What's going on here?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, I thought it was love at that point. I guess not, but it turns out it was.

[Deebo Samuel]

Did they have any chance before that for the tight ends?

[Heath Miller]

No, not that I know of.

[Deebo Samuel]

I think so.

[Heath Miller]

Dude, there was a fullback. Food. He might have been. Even before you.

[Deebo Samuel]

I played with Food. I played with Chris.

[Heath Miller]

Did they do something when he ran the ball or.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, I don't remember. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

[Heath Miller]

I feel like someone said they might have did something when he had it just to, like Food, but I'm not for sure.

[Deebo Samuel]

Possible. You might be right.

[Heath Miller]

We need a Steelers historian for that.

[Deebo Samuel]

But I'm saying now, it's like every tight end, it's like, yo, he getting. He getting the heaven. How you. How you feel about that?

[Joe Haden]

You.

[Deebo Samuel]

You started something and passed it on down.

[Julian Edelman]

Or.

[Deebo Samuel]

Or you like, hey, you just. Yo, Heath, y' all don't do nothing for nobody else. That's mine.

[Heath Miller]

No, I'm fine with it. I figure. I didn't know if it was just. If another white guy caught the ball. They were just. And they was.

[Deebo Samuel]

They weren't sure. Yeah, they're not sure. First time, I was like, damn, they still yelling. He

[Heath Miller]

know. You know, he retired, right?

[Deebo Samuel]

They were, though. They were. They were. I'm like, damn, they don't realize he done left us. He left us out here to hang, just dry out. You know what I'm saying? He didn't care. You know, he just left, took his ball and went on home.

[Joe Haden]

I respect. I respect that. If you're gonna give it to anybody, that's balling and that's worthy. Like, Moo. They're giving it the fire move right now. Moo. He getting a little move. It's not. It's not hitting on. It's not hitting like the Heath, but it's still. It's a little something in there. A little tight in love.

[Heath Miller]

I'm fine with it. Yeah, you show the tight ends love. I'm good with it.

[Joe Haden]

Come on, man, I'm with it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Ain't nobody, nobody care about no tight ends, man. What advice would you give to these young tight ends out here? He that gotta do what you did. Do both. Because a lot of these cats don't know how to do both, I would say. And longevity.

[Heath Miller]

Embrace it. Yeah. Because I think a lot of guys just want to pinhole them pigeon themselves as like, I'm just a pass catcher and I'm just. Or I'm just a blocker or whatever. But I think a tight end that can do both has huge value to your offense, to your team. Because now you're not predictable. You know, if you're, if you're just a pass catching tight end and you're in the huddle, Joe, I'm sure as a secondary guy, then you know what to expect. But if you're a guy who can do both, they always pose a threat. And, you know, blocking is it. It's a difficult thing, but it's not as hard as it may seem. You know, if you, if you fully embrace yourself into it, you can become a good blocker and just learn the technique and give some effort. You know, a lot of guys I see, they don't even give effort. They're not even trying to block.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes.

[Heath Miller]

Come on, you gotta. If you give some effort, it's not that hard. Get your hands inside and. And run your feet, you know?

[Joe Haden]

Come on.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, dude, it's like they didn't. Forgot it, man.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah. All you gotta do is just hold. Get your hands inside and hold.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, that's what it is.

[Joe Haden]

That's what it is. Thank you. I'm like, dude, I begin hell my whole life.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hands inside on here on me. I'm like, yo, they're gonna. It's nothing you could do. They can hold you.

[Joe Haden]

I'm trying to act like they're not acting. Get your hands inside. That's still holding. But they. That's not holding.

[Deebo Samuel]

That ain't holding.

[Joe Haden]

That ain't holding.

[Deebo Samuel]

But I'm like, they gonna grab onto that breastplate, man, for a ride.

[Joe Haden]

You can't go anywhere. That's what you're trying to break the arms off, but they got you too tight. Nothing.

[Deebo Samuel]

As soon as you reach them hands up like that, you might go flying, Joe.

[Joe Haden]

Literally. No, that's what I'm Saying, now I'm up in the air. Now I'm exposed. Now he's trying to throw me on the. On my back. Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, Heath, you've been paying attention to our Stillers and the. The. The. The. The coaching hires with the. With the moves by the gm.

[Heath Miller]

Yep. Yep.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, hey, hey. What you. What you think, babe? What you think? What you. First off, what you think of Omar and his moves with the.

[Joe Haden]

With the.

[Deebo Samuel]

With the guys that he done acquired?

[Heath Miller]

Man, I. I love Omar. You know, I think the same as Omar as you do Debo, and he was there the whole time I was there and always treated me well. He and I have a great relationship, as he does with. I think most players have the same opinion of him. So I was real excited for him that he got the opportunity, and I'm excited to kind of see what he's. What he's going to do moving forward. Kind of probably getting a little more ownership of the team now. And I think, yeah, I'm excited to see what transpires.

[Deebo Samuel]

What are you thinking of McCarthy Hire?

[Heath Miller]

I was. I'm not gonna lie, I was surprised at the beginning just because the history of the Steelers, I just expected. And the. And if you. And if you're around the Steelers, which you guys both are, like, it's big on tradition. Like, the Steelers do things the Steelers way. So I was like, okay, then they're going to hire a young guy who I probably never heard of. You probably have a defensive background. He'll be a good coach because they usually, you know, they don't really miss. And so to hire. When they hire McCarthy, I was like, oh, different. Okay, okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

But then.

[Heath Miller]

Then the more you wrap your mind around it, and I think I forget who I heard say something's like, they talked about his history of developing quarterbacks and, you know, the success he's had at quarterbacks going back to Green Bay and, you know, in the state that the Steelers are in now, they. They're looking for the future quarterback. Like, everything made perfect sense to me. And. And he knows the history of the Steelers. He grew up in city of Pittsburgh. He loves bleeds black and gold. No matter where you go, if you grew up in Pittsburgh, you're always going to bleed black and gold. So I'm excited about it. I think it was a good hire.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay. Yeah. That's where we at with it now. You know, I was. I was a little off on the other. Other side for a minute, but, you know, I came to.

[Joe Haden]

Yep.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah. It was just. It was out of the box?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

With the Steelers.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. Yeah, it was.

[Joe Haden]

What do you think?

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Haden]

What you think we should do a quarterback? He. Do you think. Do you think that we. We got Will Howard? Do you think we should use a draft pick to get a quarterback, or do you think we should wait on a Rod? Well, obviously, I think we're waiting on a Rod, too, but what do you think?

[Heath Miller]

They're waiting on it, but it sounds giving you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Gm, put your gym hat on. He.

[Heath Miller]

I haven't heard anybody say anything bad about the young guy, Will Howard. But seeing. Obviously seeing it in practice and snippets and seeing it in the game is two different things. So totally. I think if. If you really love him and you think you really see a future with him, then let's see what he can do. And that's obviously, you know, who knows what a Rod will do? A Rod is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play.

[Joe Haden]

Yes.

[Heath Miller]

You know, and I think if you draft the guy, I don't think you have to reach for a quarterback. If you like Will Howard, I don't think there's any point in reaching. But maybe if. If A Rod doesn't come back and Will plays this year, then you'll have a better idea of what you got in him going into next year's draft. Maybe he's the guy, and then you can surround him with better players. But. And looking back to Ben's situation,

[Joe Haden]

they

[Heath Miller]

had a great team and they added Ben in the. In the fold. So I think keep building our team and putting the pieces around. And if Will's the young quarterback who takes over, great. If they got to draft the guy, then he can come into a team that. That has solid pieces around him to where he can. He's. He doesn't have to be the man. The minute he steps in the huddle, he can grow into that. Kind of like Ben did.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, I think. I think we're all saying the same as you. At the end of the day. We know the quarterback position is such an important position, but if you have a team around that guy, you're not asking him to be too much, but just do your job. You know what I'm saying? When you have a great running game, you say, like, when Ben came in and you had that team around him, you're not asking Ben. He throws 18 times, 15 times a game. You win by 21 points. Like, Will, you could do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, give. Have a lot of players around him where he's handing the rock off, throwing it 15 times, and you're winning by 21. Like, that's a great situation to be in. And then you can start getting hold of the offense, starting to open it up a little bit more, you know? But defense, we have great players on defense, so I love the way you're saying it. Team got to play. So everybody always panics about the quarterback. And that's why I asked you about the quarterback position. But it's no panic. If you got a team around you. If everybody's balling and you need one, you need to go draft a quarterback, then we need a quarterback. But you always need to make sure your offensive line, can we run the ball? Can he just hand it off? So now he's in a more comfortable position.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, I agree with that. 100. 100.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, he's. Before we jump into these super chats, man, you got anything going on, man? What you got? What you. What's. What's. What's prominent with you right now? You got anything?

[Heath Miller]

Well, a few years ago, kind of, I took over. I started coaching high school football.

[Joe Haden]

Okay.

[Heath Miller]

And that's been kind of fun and exciting. I probably never would have did it. I didn't have aspirations to do it, but my. My oldest was going into high school. They needed a coach.

[Deebo Samuel]

Man, listen, there's kids that had you doing something.

[Joe Haden]

Them kids. And how you doing?

[Deebo Samuel]

So what? So Now I'm.

[Heath Miller]

I'm 10 toes in. I'm all the way in, trying. What's that?

[Deebo Samuel]

You're the head coach?

[Heath Miller]

I'm the head coach, yeah.

[Joe Haden]

Come on.

[Deebo Samuel]

Where. What the school is?

[Joe Haden]

Give me the school that's 10 toes in.

[Heath Miller]

St. Anne's Belfield School is the name of the school

[Joe Haden]

in Virginia.

[Heath Miller]

In Virginia.

[Deebo Samuel]

It's a. It's a what?

[Heath Miller]

It's a private school.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, it's a private school.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Joe Haden]

What position does your son play?

[Heath Miller]

So I'll have two on the team next year. My oldest plays safety and receiver, and the next one will play some receiver, probably outside linebacker.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know who to call.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, we're gonna send him with Debo for this summer.

[Deebo Samuel]

Send them on down here to az. Man, I got. I'm gonna send him back, man. Five star.

[Heath Miller]

Already got it. He's on the way.

[Deebo Samuel]

You want five star? Year one, baby.

[Joe Haden]

Is this your.

[Deebo Samuel]

You ain't playing no daddy ball like Joe is.

[Joe Haden]

You see Steve O, man, chill out. No, no favoritism here. The best players will play. That has to happen. Hey, that's why I love football.

[Heath Miller]

Just like A team. I had to surround myself with the best coaches that I could, So I. I got. And there's a lot of UVA alumni guys in the area, so I'm like,

[Joe Haden]

hey, oh, you guys want to help me coach football?

[Heath Miller]

They're like, yeah, we'll help. So I got two or three guys that played a UVA on staff, so

[Joe Haden]

that's the way you do it. Is this gonna be.

[Heath Miller]

The first thing is setting the calendar and the schedule. And those guys. Those guys coach and. Yeah, I could just manage that way. They can. They coach my kids. They decide who plays. They could be on them, and I don't have to do that. So.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey.

[Heath Miller]

Okay, we got. We got a good situation.

[Deebo Samuel]

We're building something cool, something special, baby. Yeah, it was something special.

[Joe Haden]

That's good stuff. This your first year, so.

[Heath Miller]

No, we had just completed my second season, so.

[Joe Haden]

Okay.

[Heath Miller]

My second. We. We made it to the state championship last year and lost. So we're trying to build. Trying to build up to the sea this year and see how we do.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah,

[Heath Miller]

two. Well, there's two. Two divisions in private school in Virginia, we were in the lowest. Then next year, we're going to be in the highest. They're moving us up.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, yeah. Cause y'.

[Deebo Samuel]

All.

[Joe Haden]

Are.

[Deebo Samuel]

They moving y' all up because they

[Joe Haden]

putting belt now, pulling that belt out.

[Deebo Samuel]

What's your numbers? How many students y' all got? Y' all can't be moving us up when our numbers ain't high. Y' all numbers high.

[Heath Miller]

We're numbers. We gotta. We got around 200 boys, and they. They moved the number down a little bit to.

[Deebo Samuel]

Now we're moving on that football team.

[Heath Miller]

So we'll be the smallest school. We'll be the smallest school.

[Deebo Samuel]

They crazy.

[Heath Miller]

Okay. Yeah, that's okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

They crazy. Can we recruit that?

[Joe Haden]

It's a private school, so you can recruit you.

[Heath Miller]

Can we. So we have. We have boarding beds, so we can. We got some international players on our team. So we get some Europeans. We got some Canadian guys. They come down and they. They board right on campus. So.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay.

[Joe Haden]

Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

I got a couple. I got a couple I could send to. You know what I'm saying?

[Heath Miller]

Well, you got to come, coach. You got to come help, coach.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, you just messed that up.

[Heath Miller]

You're not too far away. I know you guys,

[Joe Haden]

we're in Virginia, so you send me the address. You send me the address.

[Heath Miller]

All right.

[Joe Haden]

I definitely want.

[Heath Miller]

Devo will be the defensive coordinator.

[Joe Haden]

I'm telling you. Hey, listen, that's how we get our feet wet.

[Deebo Samuel]

And then we get our feet wet

[Joe Haden]

to Pittsburgh, and next thing you know. I'm telling you, Heath, you give me head coach vibes a thousand percent, I promise you. So if you keep this thing going, you'll be the head coach for the Steelers next, and then Debo. ZD coordinator. And then I'll go cornerbacks coach.

[Heath Miller]

Okay. Okay. I just might want to be the position coach.

[Joe Haden]

You might want to be position. Okay, look, we could all go. We could all go in there as position coaches, get off, be wet together, and then we figure out what.

[Deebo Samuel]

We're tripping. Y' all tripping. Hold up, hold up, hold up. I ain't on that. Y' all tripping. I told you, I ain't going to head. I got to be at least dc. I can't. Hell, no.

[Joe Haden]

No, that's what I'm saying. You can be defensive coordinator. Udc. Udc.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay.

[Heath Miller]

He.

[Joe Haden]

You can come in as whatever you want. I'm trying to tell you, I think you. You can get the head coaching job. But if you want to be the tight ends coach instantly. Titans coach. I'm telling you, we could get that done now.

[Heath Miller]

Okay. Give me about five.

[Joe Haden]

We're gonna go on over here five more years. We're gonna win a couple ship. Win a couple high school ships. Yeah, then we could do it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, if you win a chip. Nope. I ain't about to say nothing stupid because then I gotta do it. Never mind.

[Heath Miller]

Go ahead.

[Deebo Samuel]

We're gonna get over here.

[Heath Miller]

What are we gonna do?

[Joe Haden]

What are we gonna do, Debo?

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, I ain't saying nothing. How about.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jewels. All right, real quick. Take a look at yourself right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why?

[Joe Haden]

What's wrong?

[Julian Edelman]

Nothing's wrong. You look like a guy running on three hours of sleep in vibes.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

Okay, yeah, I'm tired, kind of cranky and very thirsty.

[Julian Edelman]

Congrats. Those are some of the potential signs of mild dehydration. And I bet your last bathroom break showed you another sign your body might be throwing you a penalty flag.

[Deebo Samuel]

So what's the play?

[Julian Edelman]

Call Liquid IV hydration multiplier. One stick in water helps hydrate faster than water alone.

[Heath Miller]

Okay, but where's the proof?

[Julian Edelman]

Liquid IVs. Clinical studies, not just a guy I know. Real science. Results you can trust.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, take a look at me now. Liquid IV is officially part of my daily hydration routine.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

Pass the firecracker. Popsicle flavor.

[Julian Edelman]

Stay hydrated like a pro. Not like Jack. Before this. Stock up on Liquid IV Hydration Multiplier at liquid-iv.com and use the promo code Nuthouse for 20 off your first purchase.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

And Doug, there's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual. Even if it means sitting front row at a comedy show.

[Heath Miller]

Hey, everyone, Check out this guy and his bird. What is this, your first date? Oh, no.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league anyways.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty.

[Heath Miller]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.

[Lily Herman]

Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.

[Deebo Samuel]

Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer, Moon.

[Heath Miller]

Wouldn't you know it?

[Deebo Samuel]

Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn.

[Heath Miller]

Capricorn Sun, Cancer, Moon.

[Lily Herman]

The story of the sport's most consequential driver Strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out, and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention, and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this. I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman, host of Games with Names. On our latest episode, we got comedian Blake Anderson from Workaholics and the hilarious this is important podcast.

[Heath Miller]

Let's go. We did beat him in improv.

[Julian Edelman]

You had an improv against the team?

[Heath Miller]

Yes. We would pull up, their schools would be there with signs for us, it's competition. What you would win is a bottle of Goldschlager. James Fester threw it out of a van because he didn't want us drinking it.

[Julian Edelman]

For more games with names, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

[Deebo Samuel]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.

[Heath Miller]

I hi, dad.

[Deebo Samuel]

And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and

[Heath Miller]

she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is badass, convict.

[Deebo Samuel]

Just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at mom.

[Heath Miller]

On the Steno show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor cultural icon Danny Trail. Talk about addiction, transformation and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available to binge, featuring powerful conversations with the guests like Tiffany Adish, Johnny Knoxville, and more.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm an alcoholic, and without this pro, I'm a die.

[Heath Miller]

Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the C show and listen.

[Deebo Samuel]

Now say something goofy like, I was gonna come down there.

[Joe Haden]

Yep.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, no, I ain't. No, no. Hey.

[Heath Miller]

This year before a game, I called Keisel up. I always have a guest speaker. So before home games, anyways, guest speaker. So Keisel zoomed in to the team and got the guys fired up before the game. So he's. He's one to know for the pregame speech.

[Deebo Samuel]

So he's zoomed, you know, you could do that. How you go zoom. He ain't even show up.

[Heath Miller]

We had him on the big screen. We had him on the big screen, you know, and he's like, stroking his beard, but he had a Super bowl rings on. Stroking his beer with his rings on, you know?

[Joe Haden]

Yes. That's how you get the kids motivated.

[Heath Miller]

He had the room rocking, though. Yeah. He's like, what's up, guys? You know, I love it.

[Joe Haden]

That's how you get it. Motivated.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

We got Covenant Life back on the super chat. Joe 20, she said he practicing again. Practicing against guys like James Harrison, Troy Palomalu. Every day had to be intense. Is there a specific practice story where one of those defensive legends made you realize you had to level your game up?

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, I think probably. Well, when I. In my rookie year, James and I went against each other a lot early on, whether it be one on ones, when we get team reps, we. It seemed like I was always going against James, and James never talked to me like, you know, he was. He always had the scowl on. And like, I kid you not, Joe, after every practice, I'm going and I'm trying to get the cold tub, get my body right.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

Every time I turn the corner for the cold tub, Debo's in there. It's just me and Debo.

[Joe Haden]

He's not saying a word.

[Heath Miller]

Me and Debo. And he was like, duh. You know? So I'm like, son of a gun, he's in here again. I can't get away from this guy

[Joe Haden]

getting his body right. Looking, looking.

[Deebo Samuel]

No question.

[Heath Miller]

He's Getting his body right. I'm trying to get my body right. We see each other at practice. He's grunting at me. He's already intimidating, you know, he's just scowling at me like, rookie coming in.

[Deebo Samuel]

It's just my natural look. I'm just looking.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, my.

[Heath Miller]

Listen, now, I know it's just his natural look. Sometimes gals a little more to, like, play up on it a little bit.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah,

[Joe Haden]

he does that on purpose.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, yeah. See, now. Now, I know that it took. But that took a couple years to figure it out, you know?

[Deebo Samuel]

I mean, sometimes it's for real and the just come out.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, for sure. Yes. I finally.

[Deebo Samuel]

I mean, you know. You know. You know what I'm saying? You know?

[Joe Haden]

Right?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. They'd be like, oh, no, he ain't playing. No, no, no, no.

[Heath Miller]

And then. But then after, you know, after a while, it was. We take. We take care of each other during practice.

[Deebo Samuel]

No question.

[Heath Miller]

You know?

[Deebo Samuel]

No question again.

[Heath Miller]

So.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I'm thankful for that. Training camp, though. I. I ain't making no deals in training camp.

[Joe Haden]

Training camp.

[Heath Miller]

Y'.

[Joe Haden]

All. Y' all are.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't making no deals.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Joe Haden]

Acts on backers. That's crazy.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't making no deals with training camp, bro. Liam 9087. $10. Heath, how far do you drive the golf ball? See who hits it further. You Big Ben P. S? We haven't played around with Joe yet. Is it because he's.

[Joe Haden]

What?

[Deebo Samuel]

Is it because he's victim weight?

[Joe Haden]

See, yo, he. Do you know why they call me victim weight? Debo says anybody under 200 pounds is victim weight. That's no, man. I don't want him.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's a legit statement, right?

[Joe Haden]

It's not a legit statement. I'm changing it too.

[Heath Miller]

It's hard to argue with it. Joe, you're gonna have prove him wrong. Joe.

[Joe Haden]

Dang, he. I'm trying to put it to at least the bench press. I can't. I'm like. I'm 185, but I could throw up to 225 ten times. Then I don't feel like a victim. Then I can get somebody up off me. You know what I'm saying? Like, look, see, look.

[Heath Miller]

He.

[Joe Haden]

He's being nice. He doesn't believe it. He believes I'm a victim. He believes I'm a victim.

[Deebo Samuel]

He. He know that that's crazy. How far you drive the golf ball? He.

[Heath Miller]

I don't even know. I don't even know. Those are.

[Deebo Samuel]

Everybody play golf like that. You ain't even got clubs, do you?

[Heath Miller]

No, I do have clubs, but I haven't played in. In a decade. Probably in 10 years.

[Deebo Samuel]

I would say I played more than you.

[Heath Miller]

You played recent? More than that.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I played. I played last year. Yeah. I'm play again this year. I just ain't gonna drive the ball I want, man, I pulled my delt.

[Heath Miller]

Here's my problem with golf. When I first came to the league, I played, but only like four or five times a year. And I'm thinking I should be getting better every time I played, but then I would get worse, and I'm like, I could spend four hours of my life doing something that I actually enjoy as opposed to this. Mad for four hours and frustrated, trying to find these golf balls that go

[Joe Haden]

in the woods, you know?

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

You like to fish?

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, a little bit. Yep.

[Deebo Samuel]

Do a little bit of fishing.

[Joe Haden]

That's what I've never been.

[Deebo Samuel]

A bit of hunting, a little bit of shooting.

[Heath Miller]

You can.

[Deebo Samuel]

Whatever you want.

[Heath Miller]

If you're fishing and you're not, the fish aren't catching. You could. Or biting, you could just leave. You're not stuck on the course for four hours.

[Joe Haden]

Look, you could do nine holes, too, or you could just leave whenever you want. And normally, though, if you have you

[Deebo Samuel]

not paid a whole bunch of money, I can't.

[Heath Miller]

I can't just leave you, Joe, for golf. I can't leave you in the middle

[Joe Haden]

of the game if you get. If you get upset, I'm gonna be like, man, you know, it's not even that, you know, Definitely. Because the one thing I want to have is a playtime.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm in for a good tank leave in the middle.

[Heath Miller]

You're having a good time because it's going to make you feel better when you watch how bad I am. You're going to feel good about your golf.

[Joe Haden]

You get as many mulligans as you want.

[Deebo Samuel]

He. Mulligans.

[Joe Haden]

Mulligans. Debo, you know what a mulligan is?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I know. You just. I give mine away.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah. No, you get mulligans because you strong. You just missing the ball.

[Deebo Samuel]

Dimming. I don't. I stopped swinging. Joe, I'm trying to tell you, I don't drive the ball no more. If it ain't a putt, I don't even. I'm not. I'm not. That ain't. I'm gonna sit around there, I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna smoke on my guard.

[Joe Haden]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Haden]

Yep.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm Gonna drink my. I'm gonna drink my Zevia. I drink Xavier, you know that. That is good. It's good. There's no. No alcohol, so. Ain't no sugar, no. Nothing like that. And then I go ahead and I, you know, you good to go. Chop it up. I talk trash, actually, when I get there. When I first get there, I talk so much that they like, oh, my goodness, he's good. And then they realize, I ain't got no clubs. I ain't got. I ain't got no. I ain't got no shoes. I ain't got. I ain't got nothing that go with golf. I ain't even got a glove. But they'd be scared until they. Because I talk them.

[Joe Haden]

Do you have your. Do you have your shirt tucked in? Do you have a collar. Shirt on?

[Deebo Samuel]

Dude, I. I looked the part.

[Joe Haden]

Look. Okay. You got the belt and everything. Okay, all right.

[Deebo Samuel]

I got the belt. Yeah, you gotta have a belt. You gotta have a shirt tucked in.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

Little puff out on it, you know, And I'm. You seeing the guns is out, I'm like, yeah, they scared, too. They like, oh, this.

[Joe Haden]

This is the smallest golfer in the world.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm like, yeah, I'm like. I'm like. I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't drive it no further than about 375.

[Heath Miller]

You got too many muscles to swing.

[Joe Haden]

That's what I'm saying. If you heard what he said.

[Heath Miller]

Can't rotate no rotation.

[Deebo Samuel]

You ain't played in 10 years. I would take you out there with your ass.

[Joe Haden]

You heard what Debo said? He said he tore his. His delt trying to swing the golf club.

[Deebo Samuel]

I was swinging too hard happened.

[Joe Haden]

That's what I'm saying. You're not supposed to.

[Heath Miller]

I think. I think I could beat Debo.

[Joe Haden]

That's a fact.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right now.

[Joe Haden]

I know you could.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know what?

[Joe Haden]

That's a fact.

[Deebo Samuel]

You coming up.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

You coming up for the draft, right?

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Don't worry about it. We'll get it together. Yeah, we'll get it together.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah. Put it together. Nine holes. I'm gonna bring about three boxes of golf balls. How many moles?

[Joe Haden]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes. How many holes we playing?

[Joe Haden]

Nine holes in Edgewood?

[Heath Miller]

Just nine. We can't play 18. We'll be.

[Deebo Samuel]

How many? How many? How many? How many? How many? How many? You said nine holes. How many balls is in each box?

[Heath Miller]

12.

[Joe Haden]

Yep.

[Julian Edelman]

Right.

[Deebo Samuel]

Joe would only need about 20, see?

[Joe Haden]

Nope.

[Deebo Samuel]

Nine holes, right? Only nine.

[Heath Miller]

Okay.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, I'm gonna be there I'm gonna be there for this one.

[Deebo Samuel]

He gonna be. He gonna be jotting stuff off left and right, too.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, Joe, you know the. You know the rules.

[Joe Haden]

I'm coming with the rules for sure.

[Heath Miller]

Keep him within the rules.

[Joe Haden]

Yes. Yes. Debo talking about he gonna need 20 ball. He. You just gonna need to make sure a double bogey and we're gonna be. Debo.

[Deebo Samuel]

What's the double bogey?

[Joe Haden]

Two over par. If it's a par four and you make six, that's a double bogey. You're gonna be working about quadruples. Sing tuple bogeys like you don't get. If it's a four, you gonna get a three.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm doing it, too.

[Joe Haden]

See, that's a birdie.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, that's what I do. And our eagle. See if we got fly like an

[Joe Haden]

eagle, we got him.

[Deebo Samuel]

Covenant like back $20. She said few players in NFL history have their name chanted by the home crowd every single time they touch the ball. How much did that support influence your play style? And did. And did you feel. Did you ever feel extra pressure to deliver when you heard it?

[Heath Miller]

I think it was more probably just. Just you felt the love from the city of Pittsburgh and how much. You know, I think I only played in Pittsburgh, but I can only imagine, like, Pittsburgh's kind of unique. It's like a. It's like a small town with. With big city amenities. I say. And the reason I say that is because everybody loves their teams. Like, it's all. Whether it's the Penguins, the Pirates, when they're good, the Steelers, the whole city is behind you. Like, everywhere you go, they got on black and yellow, know. They know what's going on with the team. They're wishing you luck. So, you know, that was just kind of like you just felt the love from the city and how much they appreciated what you were doing for the team and. And the hard work that you were trying to put in.

[Deebo Samuel]

Thousand percent Coming to life. Back again, Joe. $5 have it. She said Will Howard came from old money. That's why I call him Country Club. But when. When he show out this year, he will be Iron Club. Will hush Debo.

[Joe Haden]

Because you ain't like. You ain't like the nickname.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hell, no. Hey, listen. Covenant Life. Covenant Life is a great supporter. She's number one. Number one fan of Debo and Joe. Yes. But she was calling Will Howard Country Club.

[Joe Haden]

What? I liked it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Country Club. He. You want to be called Country Club. He don't. That sounds soft.

[Heath Miller]

You can't be. Yeah. You can't be the quarterback of the Steelers and that be your name.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, you right. Damn it. I got the Heath. When you say it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Thank you.

[Heath Miller]

That's like a Cardinals quarterback or something like that.

[Joe Haden]

Okay, okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

This is blue collar.

[Heath Miller]

We're too blue collar in this in the Steel City to have a quarterback.

[Deebo Samuel]

Ain't doing that.

[Joe Haden]

I'm listening to Heath. I'm listening. Listening. I'm listening. You're correct. You're correct.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm the one that was being too. I like it.

[Heath Miller]

I like it. Iron Club. Yeah.

[Joe Haden]

Okay. Coveted life. Came with a better one. Iron Club.

[Deebo Samuel]

Debo.

[Joe Haden]

If he.

[Deebo Samuel]

He said, I give you Iron Club.

[Joe Haden]

I'm not even asking you no more.

[Deebo Samuel]

I give you Iron Club. Will I give you that?

[Joe Haden]

Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

Country Club. That's just so soft. Like, I come into the Country Club like, you know, my bad, my bad.

[Joe Haden]

That's my bad. I stand corrected. No more Country Club.

[Deebo Samuel]

To Life. Back again. $20. You said he. You had two super bowl wins. How many you joke. Oh, never mind. I'm starting. But I was. I was reading. I was thinking. I was reading a lot. She said, he, you have two super bowl wins. But was it. But it was the latter for me. Would you rate that game against the jets, part of the top moments, or was there a quieter play that was top for you? That 31 yard snatch and grab was fire.

[Heath Miller]

I don't know. Top play for me personally. My second year, I scored an 87 yard touchdown. Charlie Bach through that.

[Deebo Samuel]

That was on Cleveland.

[Joe Haden]

Good old Charlie.

[Heath Miller]

No, that was against the Dolphins.

[Joe Haden]

I was against the Dolphins, man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Joe said he made you fumble. Oh, popped you. He was like, I made it.

[Joe Haden]

No, I put my head. I put my head.

[Deebo Samuel]

I won the game.

[Joe Haden]

I did one time. I did one time.

[Heath Miller]

I don't remember that.

[Deebo Samuel]

He said. He said. He said. He. He said he fired off on Heath.

[Joe Haden]

I didn't say it like that.

[Deebo Samuel]

And then I was like, did you win?

[Joe Haden]

He was like, no, we lost. For sure, we lost. It was the Thursday. It was a Thursday night game. We lost.

[Heath Miller]

Hey, I will. I will say when Joe was a maybe your rookie or second year, I caught up on the flat. So I'm gonna give it to Joe. I'm gonna welcome him to this. You know, I'm gonna give it. It was Lee and I feel like I got it pretty good. And I looked up and he was up.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

I felt like I got a little helmet, you know, I got my helmet.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah.

[Heath Miller]

He kind of Justice. Started walking back to the huddle. Said, okay, Joe, thank you.

[Deebo Samuel]

I try to take.

[Joe Haden]

Because I'm. I'm not. I wasn't afraid. I was throwing my.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, you had on shoulder pads and all the other. You might have been 200.

[Joe Haden]

I'm 200 with my shoulder pads and helmet.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's okay. But you ain't no more. You don't play the game. Yeah, you can't do it. You won't do it. Refuse to do it.

[Heath Miller]

Y'.

[Deebo Samuel]

All.

[Joe Haden]

Y' all are funny. But I appreciate that he. For letting me telling Debo that I. That, you know, that I'm out here hitting. I'm not just avoiding.

[Heath Miller]

He was.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, he would not hold up. He said he wouldn't hold up the receiver if I was running in to come smack him. Because I was gonna tell Ike, I'd be like, I hold him up. Hold him, Ike. Hold him up. And I come in there and I bop. Put that ooh on. He said he wouldn't do that. Ain't that soft.

[Heath Miller]

Hey, that's between you guys. Why not, Joe? Why not, Joe? Why not?

[Joe Haden]

I'm trying to. That's the long. That's where the longevity in the league comes in. If I'm still sitting there holding him and Debo comes and hits me and puts me to sleep, then I'm trying to place them. I'm just make the tackle. Get him down, Diva. Someone hold him up. Hold him up. He's running over there full speed. I'm like this. How do I know where you're going to launch a missile? You're going to hit both of us.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, as long as you hold him up, he gets it. All right, you know what?

[Joe Haden]

I hold him up.

[Deebo Samuel]

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about. I go beyond, and he gonna tell you it was only one time he went to sleep, and that's because he let him drop. Dude went dead. Wait and just.

[Joe Haden]

Heath, would you hold him up if he was out there? You playing safety? If you playing safety, Debo's like, hold him on, Heath. I'm coming.

[Heath Miller]

Maybe so. Yeah, I think so.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes. Oh, yeah. That's a man. He don't got the mentality of it, either.

[Heath Miller]

Didn't I, though? I took one. Did Law Dog get Ike one time

[Deebo Samuel]

in Carolina, you know, Law Dog run around like a blind dog in the meat.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

And he hit him. He hit him.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah. So I got hit. You got Debo. You got Ike once.

[Deebo Samuel]

And then he didn't go to sleep, though. I got him up, woke him up, and he still played. And I covered him that play so he could get his marbles back.

[Joe Haden]

I'm good on you, Debo.

[Heath Miller]

Devo knocks you out. He'll wake you up.

[Joe Haden]

That's what he's saying.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'll make sure you stay in the game, baby. Make sure you stay in the game now, like, hey, got to. Got to.

[Heath Miller]

That's how nice of a guy is. Yeah.

[Joe Haden]

What a friend.

[Deebo Samuel]

Definitely. Definitely, man. Definitely. Hey, he. Man, I want to thank you for joining us, brother. I will see you at the draft, for sure. When you. When you getting in?

[Heath Miller]

I think I'm coming on Wednesday.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay. Hit me up when you get in. You gonna be. Obviously, you go. Probably head over to Keezles, right?

[Heath Miller]

Probably at some point. Yeah, we'll get together. We'll get together, though. We'll get together.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I'm gonna be. Yeah. Matter of fact, Joe would be here then, too, right?

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, I'm. Yeah, I'm standing. I'm standing. I'm pulling up on Debo. I'm standing.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, he's standing. He's staying over here. So. So everything gonna be good.

[Heath Miller]

Hey, man, let me know if I need to bring my clothes and we'll. We'll make the wager.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, whatever. Whatever you want to do. Whatever you want.

[Heath Miller]

I might need to practice for.

[Deebo Samuel]

What do.

[Heath Miller]

I got a week? I got a week to practice.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't even need to practice. I don't even need to practice. That's that practice overrated. We're talking about Eve.

[Joe Haden]

My money on you.

[Heath Miller]

I feel like this. I feel confident about it, Joe. I feel good.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm talking about practice.

[Heath Miller]

I watched the Masters yesterday, so I'm good to go.

[Deebo Samuel]

Come on. That's all it'll take you to watch?

[Joe Haden]

Yes.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay, well, I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna go watch the repeat feet of it. No, I ain't doing that, girl. I can't do that, bro. I can't do that. I can't sit there and watch. I just. It ain't. It ain't.

[Joe Haden]

Watch the highlights.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, I watched the last.

[Deebo Samuel]

What's the highlight?

[Heath Miller]

Did you see how narrow it is that those guys got to drive through? 18.

[Joe Haden]

Yes.

[Heath Miller]

That was crazy.

[Joe Haden]

And then my man Roy, he still kind of threw it in the pine straw.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, and then he. Yeah, he got him about. He got out.

[Joe Haden]

Got up out of there, man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Whatever, man. I see you when you get here, man. Ladies and gentlemen, thank Heath Miller for showing up.

[Joe Haden]

Thank you, brother.

[Deebo Samuel]

Appreciate you.

[Heath Miller]

Thank you, guys. Keep up the good work.

[Deebo Samuel]

Thank you, brother. Thank you, man. I will see you on Wednesday, Thursday, if not sometime around there. Matter of fact, we gonna go to the barn, Joe?

[Joe Haden]

Yep.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. He couple of other boys. All the other stuff, man. Guys, thank you for joining us on this episode of D Boy and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get your show. Joe.

[Joe Haden]

Yo. See you tomorrow, same time, same place.

[Deebo Samuel]

And we out.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Joe Haden]

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[Deebo Samuel]

Pass me the pina colada flavor.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Heath Miller]

Hey, everyone, check out this guy and his bird.

[Lily Herman]

What is this, your first date?

[Heath Miller]

Oh, no.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird.

[Heath Miller]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.

[Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)]

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[Heath Miller]

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[Lily Herman]

Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, the story of the sport's most consequential driver strike, and plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Peace to the planet Charlemagne. Th God here. And listen. We are back. The Black Effect Podcast Festival is back in Atlanta on April 25th at Pullman Yard. Yeah, and the full lineup is nuts. We got the Grits and Eggs podcast, Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cup Cat. We got Club 520 with Jeff Teague and the gang. Don't call Me White Girl. Mona will be there. Keep it positive, Sweetie with Crystal Renee. We got Reality with the King with Carlos King. And yes, Drink champs will be in the building. Plus, you know we gonna have a lot of guests, so you need to join us. And we got the Black Effect Marketplace, the picture podcast and everything you expect from the Black Effect Podcast Festival. Tickets are on sale right now. Go get [e-mail] PodcastFest Festival. Don't play yourself. Okay, pull up.

[Heath Miller]

I'm Daniel Alarcon and this is my friend. He's much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co host of the podcast the Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together we'll find out why of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important. Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.

[Deebo Samuel]

Guaranteed Human.