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Heath Miller
This is an iHeart podcast.
Deebo Samuel
Guaranteed Human.
Julian Edelman
This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules. All right, real quick. Take a look at yourself right now.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why?
Joe Haden
What's wrong?
Julian Edelman
Nothing's wrong. You look like a guy running on three hours of sleep and vibes.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
Okay, yeah, I'm tired, kind of cranky, and very thirsty.
Julian Edelman
Congrats. Those are some of the potential signs of mild dehydration. And I bet your last bathroom break showed you another sign your body might be throwing you a penalty flag.
Deebo Samuel
So what's the play?
Julian Edelman
Call Liquid IV hydration multiplier. One stick in water helps hydrate faster than water alone.
Heath Miller
Okay, but where's the proof?
Julian Edelman
Liquid IV's clinical studies, not just a guy I know. Real science. Results you can trust.
Deebo Samuel
Well, take a look at me now. Liquid IV is officially part of my daily hydration routine.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
Pass the firecracker. Popsicle flavor.
Julian Edelman
Stay hydrated like a pro, not like Jack. Before this. Stock up on Liquid IV hydration multiplier@liquid-iv.com and use the promo code nuthouse for 20% off your first purchase.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
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Heath Miller
Hey, everyone, check out this guy. Diane is bird.
Lily Herman
What is this, your first date?
Heath Miller
Oh, no.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird.
Heath Miller
Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
Anyways, only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty.
Heath Miller
Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.
Lily Herman
Ready for a different take on Formula one? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, the story of the sport's most consequential driver strike, and plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Charlamagne Tha God
Peace to the planet. Charlamagne Tha God here. And listen, we are back. The Black Effect Podcast Festival is back in Atlanta on April 25th at Pullman Yard. Yeah, and the full lineup is nuts. We got the Grits and Age Podcast, Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cup Cat. We got Club 520 with Jeff Teague and the gang. Yeah, yeah, don't call me white girl. Mona will be there. Keep it positive, sweetie. With Crystal Renee, we got reality with the King, with Carlos King and yes, drink champs will be in the building. Ok. Plus, you know, we gonna have a lot of guests, so you need to join us. And we got the Black Effect Marketplace, the pitch, your podcast, and everything you expect from the Black Effect Podcast Festival. Tickets are on sale right now. Go get yours@blackffect.com podcast cat festival. Don't play yourself. Okay, pull up.
Heath Miller
I'm Daniel Alarcon and this is my friend. He's much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co host of the podcast the Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together we'll find out why. Of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important. Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, man, is there anything that you, you miss about playing football? Because, you know, you left a year or two too early. But you know, we ain't go, you know, we ain't go fault you on that, you know, even though we tried to get you to stay d' Angelo and myself personally. But, you know, is there anything that you miss?
Heath Miller
I miss the locker room. I miss the locker room. I miss being around, you know, like we talked about, you're around your teammates way more than your family and, you know, you become close to everybody. We kind of all go through at that age and stage in life, everybody goes through, you know, kind of monumental moments in your life, whether it be getting married, having kids, starting a family, like all these things we go through together. And then, you know, kind of when you're retired, everybody goes their separate ways and you don't get to talk to each other or see each other as often as, as you do. So I miss, I miss going to the weight room and seeing Debo every morning and, you know, being in the locker room and playing, whatever, just hanging out, just being around the guy, that's what I miss the most.
Joe Haden
Yep, that's the same, same thing. I think that's the answer for most of the guys because you don't get that. You get 60, 70 grown men that are willing, that will be there on time at the same place, working to the same goal, trying to be the best they can be. And there's nowhere else in the world that you can go find that. So that's. That's the normal answer that we get. So when you say that, I'm like this. Yes, it's. It's the locker room.
Heath Miller
It's a special place because it's. And all those guys have been through probably the same thing to get to where they are. Shared experiences, same goals. We're all the same people.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah.
Heath Miller
Essentially, at the end of the day, the core of who we are is the same for the most part. And that's what, that's what builds the bonds. But yeah, when I walked in the last day to. To. To meet the coaches and retire, you know, to let them know the news. First person I see when I go through the door, Debo and d'. Angelo.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah.
Heath Miller
He said, what are you doing here? So what are you doing here?
Joe Haden
They knew. They knew. Debo, you knew.
Deebo Samuel
It's talking about he retiring, like, for what? What. What are you talking about?
Joe Haden
Where are you going?
Deebo Samuel
What?
Joe Haden
He was coming.
Deebo Samuel
What? I done came back to this. What is you talking about, bro? You leaving?
Joe Haden
Was it like a body. Was it a body situation, Heath, you think? Were you just kind of ready, ready to go?
Deebo Samuel
I.
Heath Miller
It was a little bit of everything. I knew it was time. Maybe it was a pride thing because I knew I couldn't play the way I wanted to or expected out of myself, you know, and I. I knew I could still be productive, and I knew I still had a role on the team, but I felt like if I couldn't, I was putting in. As you get older, you know, you put in more and more work off the field to be your best on the field. I felt like that, that trade off wasn't matching up anymore. You know, I was putting in more and more work, and I wasn't still as good as I would. Had hoped to be or feel as good as I hoped to feel on Sunday. So I knew, I knew it was time. I don't have, you know, first year out was probably tough, but some, you know, some second thoughts, especially when the first game I think the Steelers played on Monday Night Football versus the Redskins, I believe so. I'm excited. I'm like, I'm gonna watch the game. I turn it on and like five or ten minutes into the game, I'm like, I can't watch this. I can't watch it. I didn't watch any more games the rest of that year. I'm like, too soon.
Joe Haden
Way Too soon?
Heath Miller
Yeah. I'm like, I'm supposed to be in the huddle. Like, this is. I'm looking at all my guys in the hud and I'm like, it looks like I know what plays. They're running everything. I gotta take a step back, so. But it's all good now.
Deebo Samuel
Watch the games. You can, you could, you could.
Joe Haden
You can watch the games now.
Heath Miller
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can watch games now.
Deebo Samuel
You've been watching?
Heath Miller
I've been. When I can. Yeah. You know, with our kids.
Deebo Samuel
Big giant ass tight end they got. Bro, my Washington, that boy like 7 foot, 500 pounds.
Heath Miller
I saw him a few years ago and we all got a big before game, we went out had. I took a. I took a picture with all the tight ends and then I see the picture after the fact and he's like two feet taller. Like, I should have moved a little bit further away from this dude. He's a giant.
Joe Haden
Oh, yes. He's humongous.
Heath Miller
Yeah, but they got. He's a. He's a really good player. I mean, going back to doing both like you were talking about Debo, he's. He's a problem in the running game and he makes. He's. He's athletic enough and he has good enough hands to make plays in the passing game too. So I'm excited to see, you know, how his career unfolds.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, definitely. Definitely something. Something to watch for. Sure. For sure.
Joe Haden
So coming out of, coming out of uva, I gotta ask you, because I was a. I was a first round pick also, but what would you say of how did you manage your expectations coming in as a first rounder? What was your thought process?
Heath Miller
Well, I knew I was coming to a really good team. They were 151 the year before, so 501 lost in the AFC championship. So I was coming to a good team. I was just trying to get in and fit in wherever I could and just kind of keep a low profile, learn the plays and just kind of earn my way. And you know, that's one thing I think too, that back in the day, it was. You had to earn your way.
Deebo Samuel
And I don't care where you were drafted.
Joe Haden
Yeah.
Heath Miller
I mean, and Marvel Smith, who was the left tackle at the time, and Max was. Max talked to me a little more. Max Starks, he's a Florida guy, he was on the right side. So I remember when I first got there, I'm lining up if I get reps with the ones I'm lining up beside Marvel. And I'm like trying to echo the calls in the run game, because I think I know what I'm doing, but I won't, you know, I'm needing a little confirmation.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah.
Heath Miller
Marvel is in his stance. He's looking straight ahead. He don't even acknowledge me next to him. I'm like, I better get my playbook because Marvell's not going to help me out
Deebo Samuel
crooked.
Heath Miller
But it was like the state, it was the standard. It's like, if you're going to be with us, you. You better know what to do, you know, and you better get your job done. So I knew. I stopped asking Marvel for the calls after that and got my playbook a little more.
Joe Haden
So no, for sure. I love it because I think some, especially just coming in hard hat, you gotta. When you coming in, like, same thing, you want to prove yourself to the guys. And the best way to do that is know what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? Like, they already know. They know the playbook. The quicker you learn that playbook, that's the quicker you're gonna get the respect from the guys. When people start motioning you not just looking around, what's the call, what's the play? No, you're in here with us, know what's going on, and then that's going. I think that that gets you right.
Heath Miller
First 100. Yeah. It's like, even with coaches, you know, guys think you got to be. You got to make this amazing play here, this amazing play there. They just want to be able to trust you.
Joe Haden
Yes.
Heath Miller
Are you going to know what to do? Are you going to be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there? And same with. With quarterbacks and teammates, too. They're going to put guys on the field who they trust a thousand percent. Part of that trust is just. No. Yeah, you gotta know what to do.
Joe Haden
Yep.
Deebo Samuel
You talked about. About your body, you know, combination of pride and body. What was your off season? You know, training, like, to prepare for the season. Because, you know, for me, the hardest thing was like, yo, can I make it through another off season? Training for the season? Because getting into the season was the easy part.
Heath Miller
I would always take a few weeks off. And then, you know, after being at home for a little bit, you start to get it. My wife's like, it's probably time for you to start working out. Right. And I knew that. I knew after that, like, okay, yeah, it's time for me to get back into it. But, you know, I. I stayed in Pittsburgh, Debo and I Trained a couple, like early on, before you started going to Arizona. We trained a little bit in the summertime, early in my career, and I kind of stayed with those guys and just push yourself in the off season. Then I started adding the body work later in my career. So, you know, that took more time, but yeah, it was lifting, running every day, body work usually in the afternoon and add some skill stuff in there as well. So, you know, I always tried to be, you know, again, being in condition was one of the things was in my control, just like learning the place. So I always tried to always know exactly where I was supposed to be, exactly what I'm supposed to do, and also be in the best shape possible to. To execute my job. And, you know, it's funny, with all the money that's on the line in the NFL, every year, there's guys that come in and don't know the plays and is out of shape and can't do the test. And it always blew my mind when that happened. It's like, guys, right? What were you doing?
Deebo Samuel
Remember the one dude? He. The one cat. I don't know if he was there yet, but he had. He had. He was. He was a receiver. He had a bullet on his. On his leg. A tattoo bullet. And it was. It said speed kill.
Heath Miller
I don't know his name.
Deebo Samuel
He running the 40s. Like it was a. A race.
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
And he liked to passed out at like 8. They ended up I.V. ing him up and knocking him down. He took off a buzzer that wasn't even his. Were you there for that?
Heath Miller
Yes. Yes.
Deebo Samuel
Listen, Joe, it was. It was. It was a receiver there. And he. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was Tennessee, right?
Heath Miller
I think so. Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
He was from Tennessee.
Heath Miller
It was an SEC school. I think it was Tennessee. Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah. He was a track dude. And his 40 was something crazy.
Heath Miller
What?
Deebo Samuel
It was like, like a 42 something or something like that goofy something fast. At that time, bro, we did a 40 test and basically what they did is they put like a half second on your 40 time. Your. Your time. Put a half second on it. And you had to run it at that time. And then you jog back and you had. As soon as you ran it, you had. What was it, 30 seconds, 35 seconds. He.
Heath Miller
Yeah, you had to jog all the way back to the line and the recovery time, then go again. It was quick, right?
Deebo Samuel
So everybody knows that. Hey, they trying to tell him, like, yo, just make it just in time.
Joe Haden
Just in time.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah.
Joe Haden
So bruh don't blow your hole right
Deebo Samuel
when I say this boy was stroking out there. We were sitting back and we looking and you know how you run and you get the. So you gotta be like touching the line when you go to the beat. No, no, no, no, no. He touching the line. Jogging back. I said, oh, he doing like the first 2, 3, 4. Yeah, he's still busting them, right? Jogging back, man, that boy got to about 5. He started slowing down a little bit, man. Yeah, he started hamstrings down some more, Bruh.
Joe Haden
Hamstrings.
Deebo Samuel
By seven. No, by seven he was hitting the buzzer.
Joe Haden
What?
Deebo Samuel
We had 14. Was it 14?
Heath Miller
1440s.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, 14.
Joe Haden
Yeah, 1440s.
Deebo Samuel
Listen, he got to eight and he just made that one. But it was nine that took him out. So it was two groups running. So you got the buzzer and the whistle going for the two groups and they're, they're separate. You could, you could hear it. Yeah, man, that boy that got so tired, you hear this when he can't walk, he done got back. He done heard the buzzer from the other one. He is so out of it and gone. He takes off running, but he's doing diagonals this way. No, that falls out.
Joe Haden
Yeah, he was blacked out. He was blacked out,
Deebo Samuel
dude.
Joe Haden
No, sir.
Heath Miller
Here's the thing, too. It's. It's not like you showed up and, and the test was a surprise.
Joe Haden
It's a surprise.
Heath Miller
No conditioning test. We don't know what it is like. No, you knew what it was the whole time. You could be practicing.
Joe Haden
Supposed to be running this at the summer the whole time, making sure during
Deebo Samuel
these times he's not realizing, this ain't attract me, bro. This, this is, this is a conditioning test, bro.
Joe Haden
He's trying to impress.
Deebo Samuel
That's.
Joe Haden
They're trying to impress. That's not going to impress the coach
Deebo Samuel
telling me just run and bro, when I say he. He had to be at least five yards back by the time the buzzer was hitting sometimes, wasn't he?
Heath Miller
Yeah, it was. Yeah. I tell you another funny story. My rookie year, we showed up and I'm nervous to run the test. And like, you know, you walk into an NFL locker room and you're not. You know, in college, there's guys two or three years younger than you, right? You're kind of the same age.
Joe Haden
Yes.
Heath Miller
You walk into the NFL, there's. There's some grown men, right?
Joe Haden
Grown up children.
Heath Miller
They got kids driving in, in the minivans. They got kids at home like, this is the real deal. This is like, yes, this means this is their career. So I look over, the linemen are running and Keemo Von Allhoffen was. He was probably, I don't know what year Debo. You remember him?
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I remember Chemo.
Heath Miller
Chemo's over there running 1440s in his bare feet. Yeah, like he don't even have shoes on.
Deebo Samuel
I'm like, how?
Heath Miller
Because you gotta. And this is like starting and stopping. Like you're planting, like you're coming in with some force to plant. And drew him back. He's over there running in his bare feet. I'm like, oh, this guy's this, this man.
Joe Haden
He's built differently.
Heath Miller
What did I say? Ike said he's a man of the earth.
Joe Haden
Yeah, yeah, he's getting grounded.
Heath Miller
Yeah, he was, he was onto the whole grounding thing before it took off, so.
Joe Haden
Oh, yeah, no, when you say that, it reminds me of when I came into that locker room from the. To the Browns my rookie season and we had big baby Davis, number 92, he was on the team that was one of the biggest. That was one of the biggest humans I've ever seen. So much swag, so chill, so nice. I was like, like, he could be my dad, but he's on my team, you know what I'm saying? I was 21, just turned 21 seven days ago, and I got a 34 year old man on my team with a 12 year old son, you know what I'm saying? Walking around, I'm like this, oh my goodness. Okay. Hey, you got kids, Major. I'm like, what's going on, Mr. Davis? You know what I'm saying? Joe Hayden here, ready, Whatever you need. So like really like when I walked in there, I'm like this, these are grown men and I'm looking to take food off their plates. That's how they're looking at me, the other corners, you know what I'm saying? You talk about looking over, not getting help on the play. I'm like, well, you better know exactly what you're doing. Cause you're trying to take my spot. So it's real, real loud.
Deebo Samuel
Well, I ain't gonna lie. We ain't had that. I ain't gonna lie. My OGs helped me out though.
Joe Haden
My OGs helped me out too. But I'm just saying, when you looking around, not everybody's looking at you like trying to help you out. The OGs, Eric Wright, Sheldon Brown, looking out for me perfectly. Those dudes, they're grown, they're vets. They know what's up. Everybody else like this. All right.
Deebo Samuel
Hey. Hey.
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
Hey. That second stringer looking at you right now, like, tell him even what time it was.
Joe Haden
Meetings at meetings at 47. I'm like, this. No, it's not.
Heath Miller
You better check your itinerary. Yeah, don't ask your itinerary.
Deebo Samuel
Oh, man. Bruh, he's.
Joe Haden
Question. What? Do you remember the hardest hit that you've gotten when you were in the league?
Heath Miller
Oh, that's a good question. I might not remember it because
Joe Haden
Might
Heath Miller
have woke up so hard.
Joe Haden
Might have put you to God.
Heath Miller
No, I don't. I don't. There's no one that really stands. Stands out as the. The hardest.
Deebo Samuel
I took my welcome to the NFL moment.
Joe Haden
I took my share welcome to the NFL moment. That's a good one.
Heath Miller
I'd say just the realization of walking down the hallway in the Steeler facility for the first time and seeing, like, the pictures on the wall. Like, I remember playing with Jerome. Jerome Bettis, like on a Sega Genesis or something. College football when he was real 6 at Notre Dame when I was a kid.
Joe Haden
Yeah.
Heath Miller
Like, and then. And. And that's walking to the cafeteria and he's one of the first guys I see. I'm like, whoa, he's my teammate now. Like, I better be on my stuff. Like, I'm blocking for the bus. I better know.
Joe Haden
Better know exactly what I'm doing.
Heath Miller
I'm not gonna let my guy hit him, you know, let my guy take him out. So I think just, you know, coming. Coming from us.
Julian Edelman
This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jewels. All right, real quick, take a look at right now.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why?
Joe Haden
What's wrong?
Julian Edelman
Nothing's wrong. You look like a guy running on three hours of sleep and vibes.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
Okay. Yeah, I'm tired, kind of cranky, and very thirsty.
Julian Edelman
Congrats. Those are some of the potential signs of mild dehydration. And I bet your last bathroom break showed you another sign your body might be throwing you a penalty flag.
Deebo Samuel
So what's the play?
Julian Edelman
Call Liquid IV hydration multiplier. One stick in water. Helps hydrate faster than water alone.
Heath Miller
Okay, but where's the proof?
Julian Edelman
Liquid IVs. Clinical studies, not just a guy. I know. Real science. Results you can trust.
Deebo Samuel
Well, take a look at me now. Liquid IV is officially part of my daily hydration routine.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
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Julian Edelman
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Heath Miller
Hey, everyone. Check out this guy and his bird. What is this? You're your first date? Oh, no.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird.
Heath Miller
Yeah, the bird looks out of your league anyways.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
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Heath Miller
Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.
Lily Herman
Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herrman, as we dive into the underexplored pocket of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.
Deebo Samuel
Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.
Heath Miller
Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.
Lily Herman
The story of the sport's most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention, and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this. I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Julian Edelman
This is Julian Edelman, host of Games with Names. On our latest episode, we got comedian Blake Anderson from Workaholics and the hilarious this is important podcast.
Charlamagne Tha God
Let's go.
Heath Miller
We did beat him in improv.
Julian Edelman
You had an improv against the team?
Heath Miller
Yes. We would pull up, their schools would be there with signs for us. It's competition. It's what you would win.
Doug (Liberty Mutual Spokesperson)
Is a bottle of Goldschlager.
Heath Miller
James Fester threw it out of a van because he didn't want us drinking it.
Julian Edelman
For more games with names, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
Deebo Samuel
I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.
Heath Miller
Hi, dad.
Deebo Samuel
And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and
Heath Miller
she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is badass, convict. Me just finished buying you.
Deebo Samuel
I'm gonna have cookies and milk at Mom.
Heath Miller
On the Cino show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor cultural icon Danny Trail. Talk about addiction, transformation, and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available to binge, featuring powerful conversations with the guests like Tiffany Adish, Johnny Knoxville, and more.
Deebo Samuel
I'm an alcoholic, and without this problem, I'm gonna die.
Heath Miller
Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the Cino show and listen now. Small town like I grew up in, you know, not a lot of people. Well, no one did what I did as far as make it to the NFL for my school, ever. I was the first person. Now we have two, actually. But, you know, and then realizing, whoa, this is like. This is it. Like, you see the big names and, you know, they're your teammates, and then you realize what good people they are on top of it and why they've had the success that they've had. That was probably. As opposed to a moment on the field. It was probably that moment for me.
Deebo Samuel
Okay, hey, most memorable game, because I'm. I may remind you of something that somebody said, but most memorable game, Heath,
Heath Miller
for me, I'd say number one AFC championship game in 2000, I guess before Super Bowl 43. So that would be 09. When we beat the Ravens at home for the third time. Troy had the interception.
Deebo Samuel
Okay. Oh, yes.
Joe Haden
Okay. Oh, yeah.
Heath Miller
Followed by the soup. Followed by super bowl versus the Cardinals would be the next. But I'd say because we. We beat Baltimore for the third time that year, and it was at home, that was. That made it even sweeter. So that was probably my most memorable game.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I think. Yeah. That was the year we popped the Jets. Right beforehand, Right. Or was it after the Jets?
Heath Miller
No, we. We beat the Cardinals. No, we beat the Chargers. I think we had a buy. We beat the Chargers at home, then we beat Baltimore at home, then we beat the Cardinals, and then we beat the Jets, I think, before packers, right?
Deebo Samuel
That's right. Yeah, that's right.
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
See, that's what I'm trying to tell you. My cte bad.
Joe Haden
Yeah, he feels.
Deebo Samuel
That's.
Joe Haden
That was Good memory right there.
Heath Miller
Yeah, I can remember some things.
Deebo Samuel
My memory. Hot garbage.
Heath Miller
You can use it to your benefit, though, sometimes, too, Debo. It's a good.
Deebo Samuel
You know what I'm saying? Gotta do what you gotta do when you can do it. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, look here. Hey, when did the Heath chant start?
Heath Miller
Yes, it started my rookie year in the. In a. It kind of grew over time, but the first preseason game at home, I caught a pass, and I heard, like, this low, like, murmur through the stadium, and I just thought at the time, like, dang. I guess they didn't want. Like.
Joe Haden
They didn't want me to get the ball.
Deebo Samuel
They didn't know your name?
Heath Miller
You know, I thought they were booing. I was like, oh, they must have wanted somebody else. So. But then over time, I think it just grew and, you know, started to become a thing as we had more success as a team and I grew as a player, so. But, yeah, the first. I remember at home, first game, and it was kind of like,
Joe Haden
oh, yeah, hold on, hold on. What's going on here?
Deebo Samuel
Yeah.
Heath Miller
Yeah, I thought it was love at that point. I guess not, but it turns out it was.
Deebo Samuel
Did they have any chance before that for the tight ends?
Heath Miller
No, not that I know of.
Deebo Samuel
I think so.
Heath Miller
Dude, there was a fullback. Food. He might have been. Even before you.
Deebo Samuel
I played with Food. I played with Chris.
Heath Miller
Did they do something when he ran the ball or.
Deebo Samuel
No, I don't remember. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
Heath Miller
I feel like someone said they might have did something when he had it just to, like Food, but I'm not for sure.
Deebo Samuel
Possible. You might be right.
Heath Miller
We need a Steelers historian for that.
Deebo Samuel
But I'm saying now, it's like every tight end, it's like, yo, he getting. He getting the heaven. How you. How you feel about that?
Joe Haden
You.
Deebo Samuel
You started something and passed it on down.
Julian Edelman
Or.
Deebo Samuel
Or you like, hey, you just. Yo, Heath, y' all don't do nothing for nobody else. That's mine.
Heath Miller
No, I'm fine with it. I figure. I didn't know if it was just. If another white guy caught the ball. They were just. And they was.
Deebo Samuel
They weren't sure. Yeah, they're not sure. First time, I was like, damn, they still yelling. He
Heath Miller
know. You know, he retired, right?
Deebo Samuel
They were, though. They were. They were. I'm like, damn, they don't realize he done left us. He left us out here to hang, just dry out. You know what I'm saying? He didn't care. You know, he just left, took his ball and went on home.
Joe Haden
I respect. I respect that. If you're gonna give it to anybody, that's balling and that's worthy. Like, Moo. They're giving it the fire move right now. Moo. He getting a little move. It's not. It's not hitting on. It's not hitting like the Heath, but it's still. It's a little something in there. A little tight in love.
Heath Miller
I'm fine with it. Yeah, you show the tight ends love. I'm good with it.
Joe Haden
Come on, man, I'm with it.
Deebo Samuel
Ain't nobody, nobody care about no tight ends, man. What advice would you give to these young tight ends out here? He that gotta do what you did. Do both. Because a lot of these cats don't know how to do both, I would say. And longevity.
Heath Miller
Embrace it. Yeah. Because I think a lot of guys just want to pinhole them pigeon themselves as like, I'm just a pass catcher and I'm just. Or I'm just a blocker or whatever. But I think a tight end that can do both has huge value to your offense, to your team. Because now you're not predictable. You know, if you're, if you're just a pass catching tight end and you're in the huddle, Joe, I'm sure as a secondary guy, then you know what to expect. But if you're a guy who can do both, they always pose a threat. And, you know, blocking is it. It's a difficult thing, but it's not as hard as it may seem. You know, if you, if you fully embrace yourself into it, you can become a good blocker and just learn the technique and give some effort. You know, a lot of guys I see, they don't even give effort. They're not even trying to block.
Deebo Samuel
Yes.
Heath Miller
Come on, you gotta. If you give some effort, it's not that hard. Get your hands inside and. And run your feet, you know?
Joe Haden
Come on.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, dude, it's like they didn't. Forgot it, man.
Heath Miller
Yeah. All you gotta do is just hold. Get your hands inside and hold.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, that's what it is.
Joe Haden
That's what it is. Thank you. I'm like, dude, I begin hell my whole life.
Deebo Samuel
Hands inside on here on me. I'm like, yo, they're gonna. It's nothing you could do. They can hold you.
Joe Haden
I'm trying to act like they're not acting. Get your hands inside. That's still holding. But they. That's not holding.
Deebo Samuel
That ain't holding.
Joe Haden
That ain't holding.
Deebo Samuel
But I'm like, they gonna grab onto that breastplate, man, for a ride.
Joe Haden
You can't go anywhere. That's what you're trying to break the arms off, but they got you too tight. Nothing.
Deebo Samuel
As soon as you reach them hands up like that, you might go flying, Joe.
Joe Haden
Literally. No, that's what I'm Saying, now I'm up in the air. Now I'm exposed. Now he's trying to throw me on the. On my back. Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, Heath, you've been paying attention to our Stillers and the. The. The. The. The coaching hires with the. With the moves by the gm.
Heath Miller
Yep. Yep.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, hey, hey. What you. What you think, babe? What you think? What you. First off, what you think of Omar and his moves with the.
Joe Haden
With the.
Deebo Samuel
With the guys that he done acquired?
Heath Miller
Man, I. I love Omar. You know, I think the same as Omar as you do Debo, and he was there the whole time I was there and always treated me well. He and I have a great relationship, as he does with. I think most players have the same opinion of him. So I was real excited for him that he got the opportunity, and I'm excited to kind of see what he's. What he's going to do moving forward. Kind of probably getting a little more ownership of the team now. And I think, yeah, I'm excited to see what transpires.
Deebo Samuel
What are you thinking of McCarthy Hire?
Heath Miller
I was. I'm not gonna lie, I was surprised at the beginning just because the history of the Steelers, I just expected. And the. And if you. And if you're around the Steelers, which you guys both are, like, it's big on tradition. Like, the Steelers do things the Steelers way. So I was like, okay, then they're going to hire a young guy who I probably never heard of. You probably have a defensive background. He'll be a good coach because they usually, you know, they don't really miss. And so to hire. When they hire McCarthy, I was like, oh, different. Okay, okay.
Deebo Samuel
But then.
Heath Miller
Then the more you wrap your mind around it, and I think I forget who I heard say something's like, they talked about his history of developing quarterbacks and, you know, the success he's had at quarterbacks going back to Green Bay and, you know, in the state that the Steelers are in now, they. They're looking for the future quarterback. Like, everything made perfect sense to me. And. And he knows the history of the Steelers. He grew up in city of Pittsburgh. He loves bleeds black and gold. No matter where you go, if you grew up in Pittsburgh, you're always going to bleed black and gold. So I'm excited about it. I think it was a good hire.
Deebo Samuel
Okay. Yeah. That's where we at with it now. You know, I was. I was a little off on the other. Other side for a minute, but, you know, I came to.
Joe Haden
Yep.
Heath Miller
Yeah. It was just. It was out of the box?
Deebo Samuel
Yeah.
Heath Miller
With the Steelers.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah. Yeah, it was.
Joe Haden
What do you think?
Deebo Samuel
I ain't gonna lie.
Joe Haden
What you think we should do a quarterback? He. Do you think. Do you think that we. We got Will Howard? Do you think we should use a draft pick to get a quarterback, or do you think we should wait on a Rod? Well, obviously, I think we're waiting on a Rod, too, but what do you think?
Heath Miller
They're waiting on it, but it sounds giving you.
Deebo Samuel
Gm, put your gym hat on. He.
Heath Miller
I haven't heard anybody say anything bad about the young guy, Will Howard. But seeing. Obviously seeing it in practice and snippets and seeing it in the game is two different things. So totally. I think if. If you really love him and you think you really see a future with him, then let's see what he can do. And that's obviously, you know, who knows what a Rod will do? A Rod is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play.
Joe Haden
Yes.
Heath Miller
You know, and I think if you draft the guy, I don't think you have to reach for a quarterback. If you like Will Howard, I don't think there's any point in reaching. But maybe if. If A Rod doesn't come back and Will plays this year, then you'll have a better idea of what you got in him going into next year's draft. Maybe he's the guy, and then you can surround him with better players. But. And looking back to Ben's situation,
Joe Haden
they
Heath Miller
had a great team and they added Ben in the. In the fold. So I think keep building our team and putting the pieces around. And if Will's the young quarterback who takes over, great. If they got to draft the guy, then he can come into a team that. That has solid pieces around him to where he can. He's. He doesn't have to be the man. The minute he steps in the huddle, he can grow into that. Kind of like Ben did.
Joe Haden
Yeah, I think. I think we're all saying the same as you. At the end of the day. We know the quarterback position is such an important position, but if you have a team around that guy, you're not asking him to be too much, but just do your job. You know what I'm saying? When you have a great running game, you say, like, when Ben came in and you had that team around him, you're not asking Ben. He throws 18 times, 15 times a game. You win by 21 points. Like, Will, you could do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, give. Have a lot of players around him where he's handing the rock off, throwing it 15 times, and you're winning by 21. Like, that's a great situation to be in. And then you can start getting hold of the offense, starting to open it up a little bit more, you know? But defense, we have great players on defense, so I love the way you're saying it. Team got to play. So everybody always panics about the quarterback. And that's why I asked you about the quarterback position. But it's no panic. If you got a team around you. If everybody's balling and you need one, you need to go draft a quarterback, then we need a quarterback. But you always need to make sure your offensive line, can we run the ball? Can he just hand it off? So now he's in a more comfortable position.
Heath Miller
Yeah, I agree with that. 100. 100.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, he's. Before we jump into these super chats, man, you got anything going on, man? What you got? What you. What's. What's. What's prominent with you right now? You got anything?
Heath Miller
Well, a few years ago, kind of, I took over. I started coaching high school football.
Joe Haden
Okay.
Heath Miller
And that's been kind of fun and exciting. I probably never would have did it. I didn't have aspirations to do it, but my. My oldest was going into high school. They needed a coach.
Deebo Samuel
Man, listen, there's kids that had you doing something.
Joe Haden
Them kids. And how you doing?
Deebo Samuel
So what? So Now I'm.
Heath Miller
I'm 10 toes in. I'm all the way in, trying. What's that?
Deebo Samuel
You're the head coach?
Heath Miller
I'm the head coach, yeah.
Joe Haden
Come on.
Deebo Samuel
Where. What the school is?
Joe Haden
Give me the school that's 10 toes in.
Heath Miller
St. Anne's Belfield School is the name of the school
Joe Haden
in Virginia.
Heath Miller
In Virginia.
Deebo Samuel
It's a. It's a what?
Heath Miller
It's a private school.
Deebo Samuel
Oh, it's a private school.
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Joe Haden
What position does your son play?
Heath Miller
So I'll have two on the team next year. My oldest plays safety and receiver, and the next one will play some receiver, probably outside linebacker.
Deebo Samuel
You know who to call.
Heath Miller
Yeah, we're gonna send him with Debo for this summer.
Deebo Samuel
Send them on down here to az. Man, I got. I'm gonna send him back, man. Five star.
Heath Miller
Already got it. He's on the way.
Deebo Samuel
You want five star? Year one, baby.
Joe Haden
Is this your.
Deebo Samuel
You ain't playing no daddy ball like Joe is.
Joe Haden
You see Steve O, man, chill out. No, no favoritism here. The best players will play. That has to happen. Hey, that's why I love football.
Heath Miller
Just like A team. I had to surround myself with the best coaches that I could, So I. I got. And there's a lot of UVA alumni guys in the area, so I'm like,
Joe Haden
hey, oh, you guys want to help me coach football?
Heath Miller
They're like, yeah, we'll help. So I got two or three guys that played a UVA on staff, so
Joe Haden
that's the way you do it. Is this gonna be.
Heath Miller
The first thing is setting the calendar and the schedule. And those guys. Those guys coach and. Yeah, I could just manage that way. They can. They coach my kids. They decide who plays. They could be on them, and I don't have to do that. So.
Deebo Samuel
Hey.
Heath Miller
Okay, we got. We got a good situation.
Deebo Samuel
We're building something cool, something special, baby. Yeah, it was something special.
Joe Haden
That's good stuff. This your first year, so.
Heath Miller
No, we had just completed my second season, so.
Joe Haden
Okay.
Heath Miller
My second. We. We made it to the state championship last year and lost. So we're trying to build. Trying to build up to the sea this year and see how we do.
Joe Haden
Yeah,
Heath Miller
two. Well, there's two. Two divisions in private school in Virginia, we were in the lowest. Then next year, we're going to be in the highest. They're moving us up.
Joe Haden
Oh, yeah. Cause y'.
Deebo Samuel
All.
Joe Haden
Are.
Deebo Samuel
They moving y' all up because they
Joe Haden
putting belt now, pulling that belt out.
Deebo Samuel
What's your numbers? How many students y' all got? Y' all can't be moving us up when our numbers ain't high. Y' all numbers high.
Heath Miller
We're numbers. We gotta. We got around 200 boys, and they. They moved the number down a little bit to.
Deebo Samuel
Now we're moving on that football team.
Heath Miller
So we'll be the smallest school. We'll be the smallest school.
Deebo Samuel
They crazy.
Heath Miller
Okay. Yeah, that's okay.
Deebo Samuel
They crazy. Can we recruit that?
Joe Haden
It's a private school, so you can recruit you.
Heath Miller
Can we. So we have. We have boarding beds, so we can. We got some international players on our team. So we get some Europeans. We got some Canadian guys. They come down and they. They board right on campus. So.
Deebo Samuel
Okay.
Joe Haden
Okay.
Deebo Samuel
I got a couple. I got a couple I could send to. You know what I'm saying?
Heath Miller
Well, you got to come, coach. You got to come help, coach.
Deebo Samuel
Well, you just messed that up.
Heath Miller
You're not too far away. I know you guys,
Joe Haden
we're in Virginia, so you send me the address. You send me the address.
Heath Miller
All right.
Joe Haden
I definitely want.
Heath Miller
Devo will be the defensive coordinator.
Joe Haden
I'm telling you. Hey, listen, that's how we get our feet wet.
Deebo Samuel
And then we get our feet wet
Joe Haden
to Pittsburgh, and next thing you know. I'm telling you, Heath, you give me head coach vibes a thousand percent, I promise you. So if you keep this thing going, you'll be the head coach for the Steelers next, and then Debo. ZD coordinator. And then I'll go cornerbacks coach.
Heath Miller
Okay. Okay. I just might want to be the position coach.
Joe Haden
You might want to be position. Okay, look, we could all go. We could all go in there as position coaches, get off, be wet together, and then we figure out what.
Deebo Samuel
We're tripping. Y' all tripping. Hold up, hold up, hold up. I ain't on that. Y' all tripping. I told you, I ain't going to head. I got to be at least dc. I can't. Hell, no.
Joe Haden
No, that's what I'm saying. You can be defensive coordinator. Udc. Udc.
Deebo Samuel
Okay.
Heath Miller
He.
Joe Haden
You can come in as whatever you want. I'm trying to tell you, I think you. You can get the head coaching job. But if you want to be the tight ends coach instantly. Titans coach. I'm telling you, we could get that done now.
Heath Miller
Okay. Give me about five.
Joe Haden
We're gonna go on over here five more years. We're gonna win a couple ship. Win a couple high school ships. Yeah, then we could do it.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, if you win a chip. Nope. I ain't about to say nothing stupid because then I gotta do it. Never mind.
Heath Miller
Go ahead.
Deebo Samuel
We're gonna get over here.
Heath Miller
What are we gonna do?
Joe Haden
What are we gonna do, Debo?
Deebo Samuel
Oh, I ain't saying nothing. How about.
Julian Edelman
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Charlamagne Tha God
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Joe Haden
What's wrong?
Julian Edelman
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Deebo Samuel
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Heath Miller
Okay, but where's the proof?
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Deebo Samuel
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Heath Miller
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Heath Miller
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Heath Miller
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Deebo Samuel
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Heath Miller
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Deebo Samuel
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Heath Miller
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Heath Miller
Let's go. We did beat him in improv.
Julian Edelman
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Heath Miller
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Deebo Samuel
I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.
Heath Miller
I hi, dad.
Deebo Samuel
And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and
Heath Miller
she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is badass, convict.
Deebo Samuel
Just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at mom.
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Deebo Samuel
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Heath Miller
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Deebo Samuel
Now say something goofy like, I was gonna come down there.
Joe Haden
Yep.
Deebo Samuel
Oh, no, I ain't. No, no. Hey.
Heath Miller
This year before a game, I called Keisel up. I always have a guest speaker. So before home games, anyways, guest speaker. So Keisel zoomed in to the team and got the guys fired up before the game. So he's. He's one to know for the pregame speech.
Deebo Samuel
So he's zoomed, you know, you could do that. How you go zoom. He ain't even show up.
Heath Miller
We had him on the big screen. We had him on the big screen, you know, and he's like, stroking his beard, but he had a Super bowl rings on. Stroking his beer with his rings on, you know?
Joe Haden
Yes. That's how you get the kids motivated.
Heath Miller
He had the room rocking, though. Yeah. He's like, what's up, guys? You know, I love it.
Joe Haden
That's how you get it. Motivated.
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
We got Covenant Life back on the super chat. Joe 20, she said he practicing again. Practicing against guys like James Harrison, Troy Palomalu. Every day had to be intense. Is there a specific practice story where one of those defensive legends made you realize you had to level your game up?
Heath Miller
Yeah, I think probably. Well, when I. In my rookie year, James and I went against each other a lot early on, whether it be one on ones, when we get team reps, we. It seemed like I was always going against James, and James never talked to me like, you know, he was. He always had the scowl on. And like, I kid you not, Joe, after every practice, I'm going and I'm trying to get the cold tub, get my body right.
Joe Haden
Yeah.
Heath Miller
Every time I turn the corner for the cold tub, Debo's in there. It's just me and Debo.
Joe Haden
He's not saying a word.
Heath Miller
Me and Debo. And he was like, duh. You know? So I'm like, son of a gun, he's in here again. I can't get away from this guy
Joe Haden
getting his body right. Looking, looking.
Deebo Samuel
No question.
Heath Miller
He's Getting his body right. I'm trying to get my body right. We see each other at practice. He's grunting at me. He's already intimidating, you know, he's just scowling at me like, rookie coming in.
Deebo Samuel
It's just my natural look. I'm just looking.
Joe Haden
Oh, my.
Heath Miller
Listen, now, I know it's just his natural look. Sometimes gals a little more to, like, play up on it a little bit.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah,
Joe Haden
he does that on purpose.
Heath Miller
Yeah, yeah. See, now. Now, I know that it took. But that took a couple years to figure it out, you know?
Deebo Samuel
I mean, sometimes it's for real and the just come out.
Joe Haden
Oh, for sure. Yes. I finally.
Deebo Samuel
I mean, you know. You know. You know what I'm saying? You know?
Joe Haden
Right?
Deebo Samuel
Yeah. They'd be like, oh, no, he ain't playing. No, no, no, no.
Heath Miller
And then. But then after, you know, after a while, it was. We take. We take care of each other during practice.
Deebo Samuel
No question.
Heath Miller
You know?
Deebo Samuel
No question again.
Heath Miller
So.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I'm thankful for that. Training camp, though. I. I ain't making no deals in training camp.
Joe Haden
Training camp.
Heath Miller
Y'.
Joe Haden
All. Y' all are.
Deebo Samuel
I ain't making no deals.
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Joe Haden
Acts on backers. That's crazy.
Deebo Samuel
I ain't making no deals with training camp, bro. Liam 9087. $10. Heath, how far do you drive the golf ball? See who hits it further. You Big Ben P. S? We haven't played around with Joe yet. Is it because he's.
Joe Haden
What?
Deebo Samuel
Is it because he's victim weight?
Joe Haden
See, yo, he. Do you know why they call me victim weight? Debo says anybody under 200 pounds is victim weight. That's no, man. I don't want him.
Deebo Samuel
That's a legit statement, right?
Joe Haden
It's not a legit statement. I'm changing it too.
Heath Miller
It's hard to argue with it. Joe, you're gonna have prove him wrong. Joe.
Joe Haden
Dang, he. I'm trying to put it to at least the bench press. I can't. I'm like. I'm 185, but I could throw up to 225 ten times. Then I don't feel like a victim. Then I can get somebody up off me. You know what I'm saying? Like, look, see, look.
Heath Miller
He.
Joe Haden
He's being nice. He doesn't believe it. He believes I'm a victim. He believes I'm a victim.
Deebo Samuel
He. He know that that's crazy. How far you drive the golf ball? He.
Heath Miller
I don't even know. I don't even know. Those are.
Deebo Samuel
Everybody play golf like that. You ain't even got clubs, do you?
Heath Miller
No, I do have clubs, but I haven't played in. In a decade. Probably in 10 years.
Deebo Samuel
I would say I played more than you.
Heath Miller
You played recent? More than that.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I played. I played last year. Yeah. I'm play again this year. I just ain't gonna drive the ball I want, man, I pulled my delt.
Heath Miller
Here's my problem with golf. When I first came to the league, I played, but only like four or five times a year. And I'm thinking I should be getting better every time I played, but then I would get worse, and I'm like, I could spend four hours of my life doing something that I actually enjoy as opposed to this. Mad for four hours and frustrated, trying to find these golf balls that go
Joe Haden
in the woods, you know?
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
You like to fish?
Heath Miller
Yeah, a little bit. Yep.
Deebo Samuel
Do a little bit of fishing.
Joe Haden
That's what I've never been.
Deebo Samuel
A bit of hunting, a little bit of shooting.
Heath Miller
You can.
Deebo Samuel
Whatever you want.
Heath Miller
If you're fishing and you're not, the fish aren't catching. You could. Or biting, you could just leave. You're not stuck on the course for four hours.
Joe Haden
Look, you could do nine holes, too, or you could just leave whenever you want. And normally, though, if you have you
Deebo Samuel
not paid a whole bunch of money, I can't.
Heath Miller
I can't just leave you, Joe, for golf. I can't leave you in the middle
Joe Haden
of the game if you get. If you get upset, I'm gonna be like, man, you know, it's not even that, you know, Definitely. Because the one thing I want to have is a playtime.
Deebo Samuel
I'm in for a good tank leave in the middle.
Heath Miller
You're having a good time because it's going to make you feel better when you watch how bad I am. You're going to feel good about your golf.
Joe Haden
You get as many mulligans as you want.
Deebo Samuel
He. Mulligans.
Joe Haden
Mulligans. Debo, you know what a mulligan is?
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I know. You just. I give mine away.
Joe Haden
Yeah. No, you get mulligans because you strong. You just missing the ball.
Deebo Samuel
Dimming. I don't. I stopped swinging. Joe, I'm trying to tell you, I don't drive the ball no more. If it ain't a putt, I don't even. I'm not. I'm not. That ain't. I'm gonna sit around there, I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna smoke on my guard.
Joe Haden
Yes.
Deebo Samuel
You know what I'm saying?
Joe Haden
Yep.
Deebo Samuel
I'm Gonna drink my. I'm gonna drink my Zevia. I drink Xavier, you know that. That is good. It's good. There's no. No alcohol, so. Ain't no sugar, no. Nothing like that. And then I go ahead and I, you know, you good to go. Chop it up. I talk trash, actually, when I get there. When I first get there, I talk so much that they like, oh, my goodness, he's good. And then they realize, I ain't got no clubs. I ain't got. I ain't got no. I ain't got no shoes. I ain't got. I ain't got nothing that go with golf. I ain't even got a glove. But they'd be scared until they. Because I talk them.
Joe Haden
Do you have your. Do you have your shirt tucked in? Do you have a collar. Shirt on?
Deebo Samuel
Dude, I. I looked the part.
Joe Haden
Look. Okay. You got the belt and everything. Okay, all right.
Deebo Samuel
I got the belt. Yeah, you gotta have a belt. You gotta have a shirt tucked in.
Joe Haden
Yeah, okay.
Deebo Samuel
Little puff out on it, you know, And I'm. You seeing the guns is out, I'm like, yeah, they scared, too. They like, oh, this.
Joe Haden
This is the smallest golfer in the world.
Deebo Samuel
I'm like, yeah, I'm like. I'm like. I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't drive it no further than about 375.
Heath Miller
You got too many muscles to swing.
Joe Haden
That's what I'm saying. If you heard what he said.
Heath Miller
Can't rotate no rotation.
Deebo Samuel
You ain't played in 10 years. I would take you out there with your ass.
Joe Haden
You heard what Debo said? He said he tore his. His delt trying to swing the golf club.
Deebo Samuel
I was swinging too hard happened.
Joe Haden
That's what I'm saying. You're not supposed to.
Heath Miller
I think. I think I could beat Debo.
Joe Haden
That's a fact.
Deebo Samuel
Right now.
Joe Haden
I know you could.
Deebo Samuel
You know what?
Joe Haden
That's a fact.
Deebo Samuel
You coming up.
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
You coming up for the draft, right?
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Joe Haden
Oh, yeah.
Deebo Samuel
Don't worry about it. We'll get it together. Yeah, we'll get it together.
Heath Miller
Yeah. Put it together. Nine holes. I'm gonna bring about three boxes of golf balls. How many moles?
Joe Haden
Yes.
Deebo Samuel
Yes. How many holes we playing?
Joe Haden
Nine holes in Edgewood?
Heath Miller
Just nine. We can't play 18. We'll be.
Deebo Samuel
How many? How many? How many? How many? How many? How many? You said nine holes. How many balls is in each box?
Heath Miller
12.
Joe Haden
Yep.
Julian Edelman
Right.
Deebo Samuel
Joe would only need about 20, see?
Joe Haden
Nope.
Deebo Samuel
Nine holes, right? Only nine.
Heath Miller
Okay.
Joe Haden
Yeah, I'm gonna be there I'm gonna be there for this one.
Deebo Samuel
He gonna be. He gonna be jotting stuff off left and right, too.
Heath Miller
Yeah, Joe, you know the. You know the rules.
Joe Haden
I'm coming with the rules for sure.
Heath Miller
Keep him within the rules.
Joe Haden
Yes. Yes. Debo talking about he gonna need 20 ball. He. You just gonna need to make sure a double bogey and we're gonna be. Debo.
Deebo Samuel
What's the double bogey?
Joe Haden
Two over par. If it's a par four and you make six, that's a double bogey. You're gonna be working about quadruples. Sing tuple bogeys like you don't get. If it's a four, you gonna get a three.
Deebo Samuel
I'm doing it, too.
Joe Haden
See, that's a birdie.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, that's what I do. And our eagle. See if we got fly like an
Joe Haden
eagle, we got him.
Deebo Samuel
Covenant like back $20. She said few players in NFL history have their name chanted by the home crowd every single time they touch the ball. How much did that support influence your play style? And did. And did you feel. Did you ever feel extra pressure to deliver when you heard it?
Heath Miller
I think it was more probably just. Just you felt the love from the city of Pittsburgh and how much. You know, I think I only played in Pittsburgh, but I can only imagine, like, Pittsburgh's kind of unique. It's like a. It's like a small town with. With big city amenities. I say. And the reason I say that is because everybody loves their teams. Like, it's all. Whether it's the Penguins, the Pirates, when they're good, the Steelers, the whole city is behind you. Like, everywhere you go, they got on black and yellow, know. They know what's going on with the team. They're wishing you luck. So, you know, that was just kind of like you just felt the love from the city and how much they appreciated what you were doing for the team and. And the hard work that you were trying to put in.
Deebo Samuel
Thousand percent Coming to life. Back again, Joe. $5 have it. She said Will Howard came from old money. That's why I call him Country Club. But when. When he show out this year, he will be Iron Club. Will hush Debo.
Joe Haden
Because you ain't like. You ain't like the nickname.
Deebo Samuel
Hell, no. Hey, listen. Covenant Life. Covenant Life is a great supporter. She's number one. Number one fan of Debo and Joe. Yes. But she was calling Will Howard Country Club.
Joe Haden
What? I liked it.
Deebo Samuel
Country Club. He. You want to be called Country Club. He don't. That sounds soft.
Heath Miller
You can't be. Yeah. You can't be the quarterback of the Steelers and that be your name.
Joe Haden
Oh, you right. Damn it. I got the Heath. When you say it.
Deebo Samuel
Thank you.
Heath Miller
That's like a Cardinals quarterback or something like that.
Joe Haden
Okay, okay.
Deebo Samuel
This is blue collar.
Heath Miller
We're too blue collar in this in the Steel City to have a quarterback.
Deebo Samuel
Ain't doing that.
Joe Haden
I'm listening to Heath. I'm listening. Listening. I'm listening. You're correct. You're correct.
Deebo Samuel
I'm the one that was being too. I like it.
Heath Miller
I like it. Iron Club. Yeah.
Joe Haden
Okay. Coveted life. Came with a better one. Iron Club.
Deebo Samuel
Debo.
Joe Haden
If he.
Deebo Samuel
He said, I give you Iron Club.
Joe Haden
I'm not even asking you no more.
Deebo Samuel
I give you Iron Club. Will I give you that?
Joe Haden
Okay.
Deebo Samuel
Country Club. That's just so soft. Like, I come into the Country Club like, you know, my bad, my bad.
Joe Haden
That's my bad. I stand corrected. No more Country Club.
Deebo Samuel
To Life. Back again. $20. You said he. You had two super bowl wins. How many you joke. Oh, never mind. I'm starting. But I was. I was reading. I was thinking. I was reading a lot. She said, he, you have two super bowl wins. But was it. But it was the latter for me. Would you rate that game against the jets, part of the top moments, or was there a quieter play that was top for you? That 31 yard snatch and grab was fire.
Heath Miller
I don't know. Top play for me personally. My second year, I scored an 87 yard touchdown. Charlie Bach through that.
Deebo Samuel
That was on Cleveland.
Joe Haden
Good old Charlie.
Heath Miller
No, that was against the Dolphins.
Joe Haden
I was against the Dolphins, man.
Deebo Samuel
Joe said he made you fumble. Oh, popped you. He was like, I made it.
Joe Haden
No, I put my head. I put my head.
Deebo Samuel
I won the game.
Joe Haden
I did one time. I did one time.
Heath Miller
I don't remember that.
Deebo Samuel
He said. He said. He said. He. He said he fired off on Heath.
Joe Haden
I didn't say it like that.
Deebo Samuel
And then I was like, did you win?
Joe Haden
He was like, no, we lost. For sure, we lost. It was the Thursday. It was a Thursday night game. We lost.
Heath Miller
Hey, I will. I will say when Joe was a maybe your rookie or second year, I caught up on the flat. So I'm gonna give it to Joe. I'm gonna welcome him to this. You know, I'm gonna give it. It was Lee and I feel like I got it pretty good. And I looked up and he was up.
Joe Haden
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah.
Heath Miller
I felt like I got a little helmet, you know, I got my helmet.
Joe Haden
Yeah.
Heath Miller
He kind of Justice. Started walking back to the huddle. Said, okay, Joe, thank you.
Deebo Samuel
I try to take.
Joe Haden
Because I'm. I'm not. I wasn't afraid. I was throwing my.
Deebo Samuel
Listen, you had on shoulder pads and all the other. You might have been 200.
Joe Haden
I'm 200 with my shoulder pads and helmet.
Deebo Samuel
That's okay. But you ain't no more. You don't play the game. Yeah, you can't do it. You won't do it. Refuse to do it.
Heath Miller
Y'.
Deebo Samuel
All.
Joe Haden
Y' all are funny. But I appreciate that he. For letting me telling Debo that I. That, you know, that I'm out here hitting. I'm not just avoiding.
Heath Miller
He was.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, he would not hold up. He said he wouldn't hold up the receiver if I was running in to come smack him. Because I was gonna tell Ike, I'd be like, I hold him up. Hold him, Ike. Hold him up. And I come in there and I bop. Put that ooh on. He said he wouldn't do that. Ain't that soft.
Heath Miller
Hey, that's between you guys. Why not, Joe? Why not, Joe? Why not?
Joe Haden
I'm trying to. That's the long. That's where the longevity in the league comes in. If I'm still sitting there holding him and Debo comes and hits me and puts me to sleep, then I'm trying to place them. I'm just make the tackle. Get him down, Diva. Someone hold him up. Hold him up. He's running over there full speed. I'm like this. How do I know where you're going to launch a missile? You're going to hit both of us.
Deebo Samuel
No, as long as you hold him up, he gets it. All right, you know what?
Joe Haden
I hold him up.
Deebo Samuel
Don't worry about it. Don't worry about. I go beyond, and he gonna tell you it was only one time he went to sleep, and that's because he let him drop. Dude went dead. Wait and just.
Joe Haden
Heath, would you hold him up if he was out there? You playing safety? If you playing safety, Debo's like, hold him on, Heath. I'm coming.
Heath Miller
Maybe so. Yeah, I think so.
Deebo Samuel
Yes. Oh, yeah. That's a man. He don't got the mentality of it, either.
Heath Miller
Didn't I, though? I took one. Did Law Dog get Ike one time
Deebo Samuel
in Carolina, you know, Law Dog run around like a blind dog in the meat.
Joe Haden
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
And he hit him. He hit him.
Joe Haden
Yeah. So I got hit. You got Debo. You got Ike once.
Deebo Samuel
And then he didn't go to sleep, though. I got him up, woke him up, and he still played. And I covered him that play so he could get his marbles back.
Joe Haden
I'm good on you, Debo.
Heath Miller
Devo knocks you out. He'll wake you up.
Joe Haden
That's what he's saying.
Deebo Samuel
I'll make sure you stay in the game, baby. Make sure you stay in the game now, like, hey, got to. Got to.
Heath Miller
That's how nice of a guy is. Yeah.
Joe Haden
What a friend.
Deebo Samuel
Definitely. Definitely, man. Definitely. Hey, he. Man, I want to thank you for joining us, brother. I will see you at the draft, for sure. When you. When you getting in?
Heath Miller
I think I'm coming on Wednesday.
Deebo Samuel
Okay. Hit me up when you get in. You gonna be. Obviously, you go. Probably head over to Keezles, right?
Heath Miller
Probably at some point. Yeah, we'll get together. We'll get together, though. We'll get together.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I'm gonna be. Yeah. Matter of fact, Joe would be here then, too, right?
Joe Haden
Yeah, I'm. Yeah, I'm standing. I'm standing. I'm pulling up on Debo. I'm standing.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, he's standing. He's staying over here. So. So everything gonna be good.
Heath Miller
Hey, man, let me know if I need to bring my clothes and we'll. We'll make the wager.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, whatever. Whatever you want to do. Whatever you want.
Heath Miller
I might need to practice for.
Deebo Samuel
What do.
Heath Miller
I got a week? I got a week to practice.
Deebo Samuel
I don't even need to practice. I don't even need to practice. That's that practice overrated. We're talking about Eve.
Joe Haden
My money on you.
Heath Miller
I feel like this. I feel confident about it, Joe. I feel good.
Deebo Samuel
I'm talking about practice.
Heath Miller
I watched the Masters yesterday, so I'm good to go.
Deebo Samuel
Come on. That's all it'll take you to watch?
Joe Haden
Yes.
Heath Miller
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
Okay, well, I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna go watch the repeat feet of it. No, I ain't doing that, girl. I can't do that, bro. I can't do that. I can't sit there and watch. I just. It ain't. It ain't.
Joe Haden
Watch the highlights.
Heath Miller
Yeah, I watched the last.
Deebo Samuel
What's the highlight?
Heath Miller
Did you see how narrow it is that those guys got to drive through? 18.
Joe Haden
Yes.
Heath Miller
That was crazy.
Joe Haden
And then my man Roy, he still kind of threw it in the pine straw.
Heath Miller
Yeah, and then he. Yeah, he got him about. He got out.
Joe Haden
Got up out of there, man.
Deebo Samuel
Whatever, man. I see you when you get here, man. Ladies and gentlemen, thank Heath Miller for showing up.
Joe Haden
Thank you, brother.
Deebo Samuel
Appreciate you.
Heath Miller
Thank you, guys. Keep up the good work.
Deebo Samuel
Thank you, brother. Thank you, man. I will see you on Wednesday, Thursday, if not sometime around there. Matter of fact, we gonna go to the barn, Joe?
Joe Haden
Yep.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. He couple of other boys. All the other stuff, man. Guys, thank you for joining us on this episode of D Boy and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get your show. Joe.
Joe Haden
Yo. See you tomorrow, same time, same place.
Deebo Samuel
And we out.
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Joe Haden
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Deebo Samuel
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Heath Miller
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Heath Miller
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Heath Miller
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Guaranteed Human.
Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Air Date: April 13, 2026
Host/Speakers: Deebo Samuel, Joe Haden
Guest: Heath Miller (Former Steelers Tight End)
In this episode, Deebo, Joe and special guest Heath Miller—the legendary Pittsburgh Steelers tight end—dive deep into a wide-ranging conversation about team camaraderie, the transition to retirement, Steelers culture, training camp tales, and current moves in Pittsburgh. Heath provides candid insight into what makes football culture unique, reflects on his own memorable moments (on and off the field), and weighs in on the Steelers’ hiring of Mike McCarthy.
“I miss the locker room… You’re around your teammates way more than your family and, you know, you become close to everybody… When you’re retired, everybody goes their separate ways and you don’t get to talk to each other or see each other as often." (03:58)
“It was a little bit of everything. Maybe it was a pride thing because I knew I couldn't play the way I wanted to… I was putting in more work off the field… that trade-off wasn’t matching up anymore.” (06:03)
"I turn it on and like five or ten minutes into the game, I'm like, I can't watch this. I didn't watch any more games the rest of that year." (06:57)
“I was just trying to get in and fit in wherever I could and just…keep a low profile, learn the plays and just earn my way.” (08:35)
“If you’re going to be with us, you better know what to do.” (09:35)
“Coaches just want to be able to trust you… Part of that trust is just: you gotta know what to do.” (10:26)
“Lifting, running every day, body work… always tried to be in the best shape possible to execute my job.” (11:02)
“The first preseason game at home, I caught a pass, and I heard this low, like, murmur through the stadium, and I just thought at the time, dang, I guess they didn't want [me]…” (26:14) “Over time…it just grew and started to become a thing as we had more success as a team.” (26:37)
“Embrace it… A tight end that can do both [block and catch] has huge value… Blocking…if you fully embrace yourself into it, you can become a good blocker… give some effort, it’s not that hard.” (28:59)
“He was there the whole time I was there and always treated me well. He and I have a great relationship, as he does with…most players…” (30:56)
“I was surprised…The Steelers do things the Steelers way. I was like, okay, they're going to hire a young guy…when they hire McCarthy I was like, oh, different, okay.” (31:29) McCarthy’s QB development experience makes sense considering the franchise’s search for its next quarterback.
“If you have a team around that guy, you're not asking him to be too much, but just do your job… defense, we have great players, so I love the way you’re saying it.” (34:31)
"Heath, you give me head coach vibes a thousand percent…So if you keep this thing going, you’ll be the head coach for the Steelers next, and then Debo, DC, and then I’ll go cornerbacks coach.” (40:07)
“James never talked to me… he always had the scowl on…after every practice I try to get in the cold tub…Debo’s in there. It’s just me and Debo.” (46:34)
“You just felt the love from the city and how much they appreciated what you were doing for the team and the hard work that you were putting in.” (54:47)
Warm, candid, and often hilarious, this episode is rich in stories—both heartwarming and wild—from locker room life to high school coaching. Heath Miller’s authenticity and humility shine throughout, as he and the hosts riff about football culture, the importance of effort and trust, and the ongoing evolution of the Steelers franchise.
If you ever wanted to know what truly builds NFL bonds, memories, and leadership structures, this episode is a must-listen for both Steelers fans and those interested in football’s inner workings.