Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Johnny Manziel to Make Boxing Debut, Terrell Owens SLAMS Jerry Jones

Summary

Club Shay Shay — “Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Johnny Manziel to Make Boxing Debut, Terrell Owens SLAMS Jerry Jones” – Episode Summary

Date: May 8, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Guests/Co-hosts: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Haden

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Overview

This lively episode of Club Shay Shay dives into the convergence of sports, personal relationships in the NFL, and genuine locker room banter. Deebo (James Harrison) and Joe Haden chop it up about the upcoming boxing debut of Johnny Manziel, NFL locker room politics, Terrell Owens’ explosive comments about Jerry Jones, their beliefs about honesty in pro sports, parenting, and responding to audience questions. The episode is packed with insight, humor, and raw, authentic dialogue.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Johnny Manziel’s Boxing Debut (03:03–07:42)

• Fight Breakdown:
  • Deebo and Joe debate Johnny Manziel's chances against Bob Menery, analyzing their physical stats and backgrounds.
  • Joe is quick to back Johnny for his athleticism and size advantage over Bob.
  • Deebo jokes about “victim weight,” questioning Bob’s history in sports, to which Joe replies, “He’s regular sized, not football size.” [04:01]
  • Both wonder about glove weight; Joe: “They could do 4 ounce, 6 ounce, 8 ounce. They just do whatever they want. This isn’t professional boxing. This is exhibition.” [06:15]
• On Motivation for the Fight:
  • It’s friendly—no real beef between Johnny and Bob.
  • Deebo: “Dude, the crazy thing is they ain’t even got beef…Whole time. They like each other homies.” [05:16]
  • Joe will try to get the inside scoop and have Johnny on the line soon.

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2. Honest Relationships in the NFL: “T.O. Slams Jerry Jones” (09:06–32:56)

Terrell Owens’ Take (09:06–10:27)

• Deebo reads T.O.’s quote:
  “I could care less about Jerry Jones. I don’t concern myself with the Cowboys. The Cowboys haven’t concerned themselves with me since I left there…I could care less. I have nothing to say about them.” [09:46]

The Nature of Player/Owner Relationships (09:58–25:39)

• Joe explains:
  • Relationships with owners can feel personal, but it’s ultimately business:
  • “You feel like, ‘Okay, boom, we’re homies, we’re still cool’ ... but there’s still going to be a day where I’m still owning this team, you’re not going to be on it.” [12:34]
  • Distrust often arises when management lies or sugarcoats:
    “He lied to him…And I don’t give a rat’s ass about the relationship…Don’t lie to me.” —Deebo [13:35]
  • Owners are “your friend until you’re not.”
• Joe recounts his own experience being lied to by Browns execs about being released, echoing T.O.:
  “They lied to me…So my whole thing is like, it’s the business. I got lied to, but I took it on the chin.” [23:00]
  • Deebo: “If you know that he’s going to lie, he’s going to lie to everyone…Because he’s a liar. Period.” [24:36]
• Both stress honesty as the most vital quality. Joe admires organizations and individuals (like Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, Kevin Colbert, and Omar Khan) who gave straight answers—even if it meant tough news.
  • “All we can ask for is…honesty.” —Joe Haden [28:41]
• On taking a pay cut:
  Joe recalls the Browns telling him if he didn’t accept a pay cut, he’d likely be released—and they followed through. “That’s honesty right there.” [30:54]

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3. Audience Q&A: Life, Parenting, and Personal Stories (36:12–45:52)

• On NFL Players’ Game Tickets (36:12–38:06):
  • Joe explains players pay for their own family’s game tickets and suites—no special treatment.
  • “Everybody think we get free…Oh, no, you gotta pay for those…taking right out the check.” [36:45–36:59]
  • As retired players, you might get two tickets—no more:
    “Two max. Don’t be sitting here trying to get four tickets to the game.” [37:58]
• On Parenting and Legacy (41:44–44:28):
  • Deebo and Joe discuss what they want for their sons—emphasizing personal growth over following directly in their footsteps.
  • Deebo: “I want to see a person that is far greater than me in every aspect of their life. That has absolutely nothing to do with football…” [42:04]
  • Joe: “Seeing my kids be healthy, be happy, enjoy whatever they’re doing gives me so much joy as a dad.” [42:30]
  • Both stress not living vicariously through their children and encouraging them to pursue what they love.
  • Deebo: “You gonna leave here with something [from sports].” [43:42]
  • Joe: “What you’re not going to do is just be walking around here like you don’t know how to control your limbs.” [44:20]

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4. NFL, Browns & AFC North Talk: Hopes & Banter (38:27–41:44, 44:28–45:52)

• AFC North Predictions:

  • Audience prods Joe on whether the Browns will win the AFC North.
  • Joe hedges: “I don’t know who’s going to be my starting quarterback…The North is up for grabs.” [39:12]
  • Deebo pushes: “We need to have an intervention…you are on drugs, you are talking crazy.” [40:31–40:39]
  • Joe sees hope in Browns' offensive skill positions and defense, aiming for at least nine wins.

• On “Fighting” Chad Johnson/Ocho:

  • Audience asks if Deebo would fight Chad (Ocho Stinko).
  • Deebo: “He victim weight. I can’t do it.” [45:52]

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5. Memorable Quotes & Banter

• “He’s regular sized, not football size.” —Joe Haden (On Bob Menery) [04:01]
• “Owners are your friend until you’re not.” —Joe Haden [12:34]
• “Don’t sit here and sugarcoat and lie to me and then wonder why I hate your guts later and piss on you if you was on fire to put you out.” —Deebo [13:35]
• “If you know he’s going to lie, he’s going to lie to everyone.” —Deebo [24:36]
• “All we can ask for is…honesty.” —Joe Haden [28:41]
• “What you’re not going to do is just be walking around here like you don’t know how to control your limbs.” —Joe Haden [44:20]

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6. Fun and Lighter Moments

• Hat Collection: Deebo reveals he has 16 caps in one room, drawing laughs from Joe [35:05].
• Mother's Day and Family Shoutouts: Both send love to their mothers and grandfathers, celebrating Pop’s 84th birthday [49:08].
• Team Fandom: Playful rivalry over Steelers, Browns, Cavs, and NBA playoffs:
  • “If they need you, it is over with.” (On Joe suiting up for Cavaliers if the series goes poorly.) [48:26]
• Super Chats: Regular engagement with fans through donations and reading messages aloud [34:17+, 46:20, 46:27].

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Notable Timestamps

• Johnny Manziel boxing discussion: 03:03–07:42
• T.O./Jerry Jones & honesty in NFL: 09:06–32:56
• NFL tickets, pay cuts, ownership relations: 36:12–38:06, 30:13–33:47
• Parenting, legacy, and pressures: 41:44–45:52
• Audience engagement, hats, family stories: 34:12–36:45
• AFC North, Browns, Steelers banter: 38:27–41:44

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Final Thoughts

The episode delivers a perfect balance of football insight, real-life wisdom, and relatable banter. Deebo and Joe don’t shy away from calling out the lack of honesty in NFL management, drawing from their own experiences, while also showing vulnerability as fathers and friends. Whether you’re a football fanatic or just appreciate genuine conversation, this is must-listen material—part inspiration, part reality check, part locker-room comedy.

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[Debo]

Listen bro, another one. We got this right here.

[Joe Hayden]

Peep game sir.

[Debo]

They say Johnny Manziel go fight your that. That dude Bob. What's it, what is it? Min.

[Joe Hayden]

The dude. Yeah, I tried to try to call him.

[Debo]

Who you trying to call? Johnny?

[Joe Hayden]

I tried to hit him.

[Debo]

Hey, I tried to hit him Bob. I tried to hit him Bob.

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't think it might be too early. I think Johnny in so it might be a little.

[Debo]

I I think. I think he and. And I think they both over there over there too. I. I ain't get. I ain't get. I ain't getting no response back so. Yes, Joe, who you got?

[Joe Hayden]

Johnny, who you got?

[Debo]

Why? Why?

[Joe Hayden]

Because.

[Debo]

Because what?

[Joe Hayden]

Because I don't think. I don't think other. I don't. What's. What's my man name? He's fighting Bob.

[Debo]

What is it? Oh yeah, Bob Menary.

[Joe Hayden]

I think Johnny got him. I don't. I don't. I don't know Bob too well. I met him. I met him before.

[Debo]

Have you seen how. Yeah, I just wanted to know.

[Joe Hayden]

He's not big. He's not big. Johnny's bigger than Bob.

[Debo]

What do you call not big?

[Joe Hayden]

Definitely in your perspective, Debo, the most victim weight that you've seen.

[Debo]

Oh, he victim weight.

[Joe Hayden]

He's probably. I don't know he might be. He might be right at you know he's like one because he's not that tall. He's probably one. I'd say like. Yeah, definitely not. I don't think he's over £200. He's not over £200 and I think Johnny's over.

[Debo]

Well I know according to last time, you know Manzel they said he was like like 20515 and you know he just. He just shy 6 foot so if, if buddy you saying he.

[Joe Hayden]

He ain't even.

[Debo]

He Ain't above victory.

[Joe Hayden]

I think he.

[Debo]

And you saying he ain't that tall either. He taller than him too. So you saying Johnny.

[Joe Hayden]

Johnny taller. And I think a little ammo heavy. Yes. I. When I look, I'm like, okay, boom. Because I seen him and I seen him before and he wasn't. He's not Johnny. Johnny's bigger. So. Yeah, he not.

[Debo]

Johnny looks small. Well, that's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's football players compared to just regular. He my man. He's. He's regular, but regular size, not football size. Yeah, I think Johnny gonna take the W on this one, Coach. I want to. I need that. I need. I'm get him on the line for sure.

[Debo]

So I. Dude, the crazy thing is they ain't even got beef.

[Joe Hayden]

They just gonna do it, bro. Whole time. They like each other homies.

[Debo]

Yo, what they. They making some. They gotta be.

[Joe Hayden]

That's gotta be real competition.

[Debo]

They gotta be making some per.

[Joe Hayden]

Got you. I'm gonna get the inside. I'm gonna get the inside scoop. But I know Johnny not taking no free fall. They going in there really awesome. I think I can beat you. You're gonna have to see me. They said.

[Debo]

He said something about 4 ounce gloves or something. And. And I thought. I thought they used six or eight or something.

[Joe Hayden]

Man. Look, when you doing these type of battles, you could pick whatever you want. They. They go bare knuckle.

[Debo]

No, you ain't nobody you know. You know what that feel like when you get. You get that knuckle fleshed up against your tooth.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just saying this.

[Debo]

Did you see when Kimball sliced.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh my goodness.

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That boy eye out his head.

[Joe Hayden]

That was scary. That was scary. But people did. I'm not. I'm not saying me. I'm not saying. But I'm saying you could put. They could do 4 ounce, 6 ounce, 8 ounce. They just could whatever they want to do. This isn't professional boxing. This is a. This is exhibition.

[Debo]

Yeah, and he ain't no athlete either, man. He can't.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't see him research. Look, you never know. He might. He might have did some jinjitsu, might do some kickboxing. You don't never know somebody's no. Never know somebody's past.

[Debo]

I don't see it. I see him doing golf and stuff all the time. I don't see. I don't see nothing about.

[Joe Hayden]

He definitely golf.

[Debo]

And that's why I met him at physical combat sport. Yeah, I think. I think. Yeah, I might. I might have to go with you. I think. I think Johnny Might put them hands on show. I think Johnny might put them hands on me. I was trying. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you. He was trying to go against me. I was trying.

[Debo]

I was trying.

[Joe Hayden]

I was like. Yeah.

[Debo]

Why?

[Joe Hayden]

Because he's bigger and he's an athlete.

[Debo]

I. I ain't realized. I ain't realized he was above lifting weight. He was. If you was a little lower on that chart, Johnny's.

[Joe Hayden]

And Johnny. Athlete. Johnny who golf everything.

[Debo]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

He did a little bit of everything.

[Debo]

I ain't seen. I ain't seen Bob do nothing but swing a golf club like. That's it. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I like Johnny.

[Debo]

Yeah. I guess I gotta like that too, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you.

[Debo]

Even though we need to get anything Cleveland.

[Joe Hayden]

Because there's weight classes. That's why. That's why we got you. That's why we got you over. That's why we got you over. Ocho.

[Debo]

I'm just, you know. For sure. For sure. What are you talking about? We got to get that. We got to get that going. Ocho don't want that though, man. He don't want that, man. I don't want that point. I told you I didn't. I'm gonna change a little bit. I don't want.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I could tell, bro. I think.

[Debo]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Since you ain't got on the pod now, bro. You didn't start again. Way more chill. I think it's. The football season ain't started. You ain't seen nobody done pissed you off because the football has been on the field to make.

[Debo]

That's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all it is. The defense ain't got ran through yet

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to have you come on this joint

[Joe Hayden]

pissed as soon as that happens. Yep. I don't know. I watch it live.

[Debo]

Like, oh, he's going to be pissed. Hey, he's gonna be pissed. But it ain't gonna happen.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't piss you off.

[Debo]

That's something that's reserved and registered for only the Browns.

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[Debo]

And any team that the Steelers play. Everybody can get it. You understand that?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[Debo]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

I hear you, fool. I hear you. I hear you. The Steelers.

[Debo]

Terrell Owens, he. He. He sounded off on the Cowboys. He said, I couldn't care less about Jerry. Despite some pressing production in Dallas totaling 3,587 yards in his three campaigns with the Cowboys, it was no secret to had some tension with Jerry Jones. Tio said this week I could care less about Jerry Jones. I don't concern myself with the Cowboys. The Cowboys haven't concerned themselves with me since I left there. That's speaking of Jerry Jones or anybody really from that organization, the way things ended there with the Cowboys, I could care less. I have nothing to say about them. Why do you think it's so much tension there?

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, Debo. When we speak on these rel, I feel like it's relationships and it's. People don't understand how if you have an owner or if you feel like you have a relationship with somebody, it's a big. It's big business, but it's still personable. It's still. You feel like if you talk to somebody, can they tell me the truth? They can tell me if they can tell me the truth or they can

[Debo]

tell you, that's it. That was one of his truthful with me.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, I understand it's a business, and dudes get that. So, like, if an owner. If you, my friend, and we kick and you invite me over to your house, we golf, we hang out. Like, we really, really bond. For a teammate, that bond is so much powerful because end of the day, they don't own your livelihood. They don't. They. They can't cut you or be able to send you somewhere else. When you have a relationship with an owner, you feel like, okay, boom, we're homies. We're still cool. Like, if I ask you something, you could tell me. If you don't think that you want to go a different direction, you can let me know that instead of just going in another direction. Like. Like, we have a good of enough relationship where I feel like you can let me know and then, like, it is what it is. I'm still. I still might not agree, but you can tell me. So I think a lot of these things. When you hear players come out and speak on their relationships with. With franchises and how things are soured, it's because they feel like they were lied to. They may ask somebody something, and a owner or a coach or somebody's like, hey, what's the situation? Agent reaching out. And they're like this, you know, you're good. You're going to be a lifer here. You know what I'm saying? We're going to get this deal done. And next thing you know, you're traded. And the people with the powers that be, you feel like, man, we are homies. We're friends. Like, you couldn't call me and tell me, I asked you this, and you're lying. Like, you're not telling me the truth. So there's just. People have different relationships. That's why other. When people come out and Say this. It's not like he's lying. It may not be his bashing, but he had a personal relationship with Jerry Jones, and he feels like he was disrespected and lied to and not in hell distract. So he's like, man, bump them looking at somebody else. If you had your owner coming from your spot, it's just like the relationship. The owners, the people, work for business. You don't see him as much. You may not be able to be in contact. He doesn't just invite. You may see him at the. At the. At the. At the Christmas dinner once a year. But these players, us, you see him all the time. Like, he's in the locker room, he's talking to you. You're hanging out. So you feel like, oh, yeah, this is my guy.

[Debo]

He's.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not really because he. Once he does cut you, when he does make that business decision that, oh, yeah, it was all good. But, oh, this is a better move for my team for the overall thing, because I got everybody in here. So it's smooth. We're friends only on a certain level. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's cool, but I will still cut you. You know what I'm saying? You still are a piece of the puzzle. No matter how much I like you, you're smooth. But there's still going to be a day where I'm still owning this team. You're not going to be on it. CD Lamb's going to come. There's going to be a George Pickens. They're going to be other receivers. There's going to be other players that Jerry Jones is still there to retire, moved on. So owners are. They're your friend until you're not. So people coming out, and when they say things like this, it's not. He's like, is he bitter? It's like, dude, he had a real relationship with this man, Cherry Jones. He was out there balling. He felt like, you know what I'm saying? The contract and stuff was going to be good. He was going to be there.

[Debo]

He.

[Joe Hayden]

He did. He lied to him. We don't like. That's a conversation that they had. And you could feel like any.

[Debo]

Well, if. If what Tio said is true, that he said he was going to be there, that he would be there, and then he was traded and turned away, then it was an absolute 100 lie. And I don't give a rat's ass about the relationship. I can have a relationship with you and still understand the business of It. What I don't understand, want and can't understand and won't tolerate is you lying to. Don't lie to me. You're a grown man. I'm a grown man. It's a business. Give me your honest, whatever it is, opinion or what it is you're going to do. Don't sit here and sugarcoat and lie to me and then wonder why I hate your guts later and piss on you if you was on fire to put you out. Honesty. If you can't sit there and tell me the truth, I can't believe nothing else that comes out of your mouth from that day forward. Once I realize that you will lie to me and you don't know. Especially if you don't know. I don't know. I know you don't lie to me. I can't believe nothing that coming out of your mouth. Then. That's the problem. I can have a relationship with you and realize Joe's the owner, I'm the player. And you know what? At some point, it's going to be a business decision and you're going to cut me. But be honest with me about that and we have no problems and we can still be friends later on. Why? Because, hey, I got old. I had to be cut. You said that. Bop, bop, cool. You ain't lied to me and say, hey, it's going to be this or that. And then it was something else. Hey, we may have to move on. Okay, cool. We may. We're moving on. Okay, cool. Don't say, we're gonna get this deal done. And then you cut him and release him. Yeah, let's go piss anybody off. But you also have to look at. It's Jerry Jones. It's guys that either love Jerry or hate Jerry.

[Joe Hayden]

And.

[Debo]

And for the most part, guys that love Jerry, Troy Aikman, Deion Sanders, Emmett Smith, guys that won Super Bowls. Jerry, go treat them a little different. He may be a little more honest with them. You know what I'm saying? Like, look at. You know, what's. Oh, my goodness. Why am I drawing the blank on Irving? Yeah. Michael Irving. Michael Irving loves him to death. You want championships? It's probably a different relationship or a different way he talks to them or. Or how he. Or how he responds to them. Then you know what? He may. Maybe he never lied to him. Who knows? But I'm telling you, the guys that won, he obviously got a different relationship with him because most of those guys speak highly of them. Hell, it's a lot. You. You willing to throw that money when they're getting your championship.

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[Joe Hayden]

I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was gonna be.

[Diana Maria Riva]

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[Mood.com Advertiser]

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[Diana Maria Riva]

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[Debo]

That one's kind of hard.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, that's lighting.

[Diana Maria Riva]

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[Debo]

I cannot believe I'm about to say

[Joe Hayden]

this out loud in public.

[Diana Maria Riva]

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[Debo]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Debo]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Debo]

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[Joe Hayden]

It's still business. Still. Still business at the end of the day. And. And I'm with you on the. The honesty part, but it's like this. Debo, do you feel like if that. That's an owner. That's the owner. What about a. Are you saying. Are you saying coaches, too? Yes.

[Debo]

I mean, 100 with my thing is this, dude. If you as a man can't be honest with another man, you ain't a man to me. I' ma sit here and lie to you. Why? Yeah, I'm afraid you go whoop my ass. That's what we talking about then.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I feel I'm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't. It's it's that, that unless you got

[Debo]

a gun to my head and said, if you say opposite of what I want you to say, I'm gonna kill you. Imma tell you the truth. That's what men do.

[Joe Hayden]

Then it's, it's a, it's, it's. Yeah, I, I, I feel you. But I've seen it so many. I've seen it so many different ways.

[Debo]

I don't know. That's what my daddy told me.

[Joe Hayden]

I've seen it so many different ways. Debone. We can't sit here and say that it doesn't happen.

[Debo]

Hey, you have seen it so many different ways.

[Joe Hayden]

In so many different ways. Like, they looked and, and they'll. And they'll put it to business every time. So it's happened to, to all, to, to, to, to a lot of the players, and especially on your way out the door. So I'm saying with the, with the younger dudes, if, okay, so why are

[Debo]

you telling this man a lie? Are you trying to either. What are you doing? Like, is it. If you don't know, you can say, hey, we. I don't know how it's going to go. We're making some decisions. How hard is it to say that?

[Joe Hayden]

It's not.

[Debo]

But if you know, yeah, hey, bro, I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

We gotta let you go. What did they just. What this devil's advocate. They're working. They're working on stuff. They're trying to figure it out, but it's not, it's not set in stone.

[Debo]

We're working on stuff. We're trying to figure it out. It's not set in stone. How hard is that to say?

[Joe Hayden]

You're a puzzle piece, though?

[Debo]

We're trying to figure it out. We don't think about it. I don't know. How hard is it to say? I don't, bro. I really don't know. We're trying to do something. I don't know if it's gonna go this way or that way. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

This is the thing. Sashi Brown and them. Because I was in the situation when we called the Browns talking about, are y' all gonna release Joe or not? They was like this, no, we're not gonna release Joe.

[Debo]

So they lied.

[Joe Hayden]

They lied to me. So next thing you know, I got released. So my whole thing is like, it's the business. I got lied to, but I took it on the chin as like, oh, it is what it is. I'm gonna go find my opportunity elsewhere.

[Debo]

Yes, you find your Opportunity to do that. But now I know I can't trust or believe nothing you say from this day forward. And I'm gonna keep you at a distance.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Debo]

I have to know who you are. And if I know you're a person that's gonna lie to me, I'm gonna put you in this box. I'm not gonna sit here and play with a rattlesnake and then be surprised when it bite me. Yeah, no, no. The person you're dealing with and you put them in the right box so that, you know, hey, when I deal with this person.

[Joe Hayden]

But that's, that's the part. That's the thing I wanted to say too. I'm never really. Never putting ownership or coaches or GMs in this. In the point where, like, I really trust anything that they say. You know what I'm saying? Like, because at the end of the day, they. They're trying to their job. They have to protect their self. Hey, they're trying to do.

[Debo]

And that. That had to happen. That, that didn't happen until they lied to you, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Debo]

Until this.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes. But that's, that's where. When you first come into the league, though, you un.

[Debo]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not. Well, this is the earlier.

[Debo]

No, I can sit here and tell you, hey, this is going to happen. That's going to happen. Dude, watch this, watch that, watch that. You not go believe it until it happened to you. Because as far as you concerned, that's that man's problem. That's something he got going on with him.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Debo]

No, bruh. It's. If you know that he's going to lie, he's going to lie to everyone. He's not going to just lie to one. He will lie to the people that he needs to to get done what he needs done. Because he's a liar. Period.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. I'm telling you, I'm with you a thousand percent. I don't think that there's going to be really then any true. Unless, like, there's no loyalty in it at the end of the day. Like, that's what.

[Debo]

And this is the thing. You have some coaches, you have some GMs, you have some owners who have no loyalty to anything other than them getting what they want. It doesn't matter what happens to any person, player, coach, whoever it is that works for them.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[Debo]

And then there's some that's going to tell you exactly what it is and it don't matter how you feel about it, because that is the person that they Are not the fucking position.

[Joe Hayden]

I can feel that. I can see that because I'm listening to Robert. I can see where. Yes. Owners are doing that. Robert Kraft, with Tom Brady being able to keep it real, just honest. Honest with him. Like, let them know, no, you're not going nowhere. And then he don't go nowhere. Or when it's time, Tom, it's all right. We're going to have to go in a different direction. Just.

[Debo]

I will tell you this, bro. I would tell you this. When I was in New England, Kraft pulled me to the side, and he was like, hey, James. He's like, I want you. I want to talk to you. I'm like, all right, cool. What's up? He said, why is it that we were able to beat you guys, even though, for the most part, you guys were more talented all together than we were? And he said, do you think it's Tom or do you think it's Bill? Like, and. And he basically was telling. Like, he's thinking about. At that point, that was 2017. He's like, he's thinking about moving on from one or the other. He just. He was trying to make a decision, right? And I'm like, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm like, I think Bill does a great job of coaching. Like, you know, he. He puts his players in positions to be able to get out of them what it is they do best. Dude, we had defenses where we. We had, like, seven, eight different personnel, and he would switch out two people just to put a guy in there that he knew could do the job that he needed done. And Bill would sit there and be like, okay, if they do this, I'm going to do this. But then he flipped to the other side. Well, how would I go back and defend this? And he'd be ready to kind of react whatever it was that happened, like. And I was like, yo, like, he's good. I'm like, he's damn good, dude. He ended up later, you know, going with Bill, and Tom went and got him another super bowl over there. But I. Dude, like, the honesty thing of the.

[Joe Hayden]

Is.

[Debo]

That's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's.

[Debo]

That's a real.

[Joe Hayden]

It really. It really is. Debo.

[Debo]

I know. I know guys that have been. I know guys that have been cut, you know, from different teams, from other teams, from whatever it may be. And you have some GMs that's just like, straight up, hey, I don't think you got it anymore. You have some dudes that'd be, like, sugar coated with, you know it's this or that. No. And. And for the most part, dude, most cats, they get the straightforward, like, yo, I appreciate your honesty. I don't feel that way, but I appreciate your honesty on it. And they able to move from it, and they still deal with that person, not them up they go and give them the sugar coat and lie and all the other stuff. They're like, man, I really don't. I'm gonna keep him at a distance. I'll play fake cake, you know, the other stuff, but I'm gonna keep him at a distance. I ain't gonna give him nothing that I got to trust and believe what he says. That's all the stuff, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you ain't lying. All we can ask for is the. The dudes want honesty.

[Debo]

Yes, dude. This is the thing, dude, I could have went back to New England, dude, I could have went back to New England. Bill was like, yo, I want to bring you back. He's like, but I don't want to tell you. He said, I don't want to lie to you and tell you what is going to be and what. What your role will be until after the draft. And we don't went through the draft. And I was like, cool. And I'm sitting there the whole time, bro, and I'm like, I really don't want to go all the way back to New England. I don't want to be away from my kids again. And I'm like, you know what? I got to retire. Because I know if I got to the draft and he called me and he was like, hey, I'm gone. Because I was. I was back in love with the game. I'm gone. I'm gone. I'm like, yeah. And it did. It wouldn't even matter what it was for, to be honest with you, dude, because I want. I just love playing. I like. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, yeah, I gotta retire.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I feel that.

[Debo]

Yeah, like. Like that honesty. When I got there, bro, he was like, we're gonna put you in on this defense right here. And you know, as you learn it, if you're able to learn it, we'll put you in on other ones. I was on everything except for, like one. One thing. By the time we, you know, we got to the Super Bowl. But like I said, man of his word, he go do what he said he gonna do and he gonna keep going. And. And that's like. That's what he did.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, the same when I signed with the Steelers, too, man. They kept it a. Being with me the whole time. We had real conversations. Omar. It was a Kevin Colbert, just legit. Omar. They let me know what it was, where they stood. So that's why I ended the season, Boy, I knew what time it was. I knew we weren't going to be able to find a way to get that new deal done. So, boy, I didn't even go to the exit meeting because I knew what it was like. It's a business. It is what it is. We already talked. Y' all kept it a buck with me. They went up to the exit meeting. I'm just sitting in my.

[Debo]

I'm tell you right now, Kevin Colbert and Omar are the ones that I would tell you right now, especially as far as what I've heard from other players with myself being included in that. They keep it a buck.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they know. You know what? When I go back to the Browns, too, I wouldn't say that on this one. I don't even really think they lied. It was a. Do you. If you don't accept. They asked me to take a pay cut. I said, I'm not taking no pay cut. You don't take the pay cut, then we probably gonna chop you. Maybe didn't believe them, didn't take the pay cut, Got chopped. That's on me. That's honesty. Honesty. That's honesty right there. They told me to take a pay cut, and I said, no, I'm not taking no pay cut.

[Debo]

It was probably gonna cut you, probably.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That was that. That's on that. That. Yep, Yep. They ain't lie. They ain't lie. They ain't lie to me.

[Debo]

They ain't lie to you, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

Take that pay cut or no, you ain't gonna be able to find. But the real part was you ain't gonna be able to find nobody else with no better deal than this, Joe. You know what I'm saying? They started saying like, oh, no, your market ain't gonna be out there and that. I hear you, but at least you're telling me. At least you're telling me. At least you're telling me as I need to hit, let me go boom. End up finding a home. But God damn, I had to, remember. I look, I go back into the park. I'm like, just hold up. Nope. They got the pay. They told they could hit me up. Joe, we're gonna have to give you a pay cut. I'm like this. Oh, because you know why I'm thinking about not taking A pay cut, too, Debo. We signed Brock Oswalder to the Dan Browns, and he got $16 million and didn't play a snap. And I'm like, y' all trying to take. Y' all trying to take $5 million from me. And y' all just gave Brock 16, and he ain't do a thing. You're bugging. You're bugging out. I'mma stay right here in my deal. We signed the deal. I got hurt last year. I'm still. I'm still him. You still got me in the.

[Debo]

I'm still him.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing a good contract. I just got hurt. I'll be right back.

[Debo]

I'll be right back.

[Joe Hayden]

I still got promos in these legs. They like this. Ah, we don't know. Gotta take this cut. I'm like this. Ah, I don't know. I'm not. Okay, okay. So that's how it happened, Debo. That's how it happened.

[Debo]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. They.

[Debo]

Hey, they told you.

[Joe Hayden]

I said, let me get that dirt off their name. Let me get that dirt off their name. Hey, let me get that off their name.

[Debo]

Hey, you don't take that pickup.

[Joe Hayden]

We might have to take that pickup, but we might got to get you out the way now.

[Debo]

Y' all said might? I ain't believe it.

[Joe Hayden]

They might, but they meant. They meant will. It ain't meant. They could or they told you it ain't if, but when.

[Debo]

Hey, you might as well had told me, hey, you don't take this pickup.

[Joe Hayden]

Mine as well. Yep, yep. Yeah. That's how it went down. I ain't gonna lie. Remember, like, it was yesterday. Now when I'm talking about it in real time, I'm like, this tank. Yep. Then Drew hit me and said, joe, they trying to get it back. I said, oh, no, Drew, we're not doing that. He's like, okay, bet we're not doing that. Definitely. Super J, I'm with you. Shouldn't take a pickup from. What are you talking about?

[Debo]

What I look like? What I look like? Joe Hate.

[Joe Hayden]

Get out of there, Joe. Okay, so we got options. Super J, they're gonna cut you. We with the Steelers. I like you a lot. Okay. We got the Dolphins, and we got. We got the Saints. I'm, like, going to Pittsburgh. I'm not. You know what? I thought I was washed.

[Debo]

I'm gonna come see y'. All. Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[Debo]

Yeah, we go. We're gonna come see y', all, man. Let's see what this super chat got going on, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

What they got going.

[Debo]

We got Covenant Life. She's back. $10. Thank you very much, Roger. And that Malibu rental car from last year can kick to be more careful. Kiss Rock kicks. Kiss rocks.

[Joe Hayden]

We tied.

[Debo]

You meant kick. I think she meant.

[Joe Hayden]

I think she meant we Tie. Tie.

[Debo]

Iron will step up to the plate. Hey, Joe. Thank you for your dress.

[Joe Hayden]

Dressing appropriately.

[Debo]

Thank you for dressing appropriately. Thank you for dressing properly today. James, how many caps do you have in your reach?

[Joe Hayden]

You definitely was swapping out caps.

[Debo]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

[Joe Hayden]

You seriously got all them sitting right there?

[Debo]

I got 16 caps, man. I got everything in my room. One room, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't even count the caps behind you.

[Debo]

I don't wear those.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, them? Those just.

[Debo]

Oh, I got a couple over there that I do wear, but you can't see those, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You got.

[Debo]

I got a one bedroom studio. You know that, Joe, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. There you go, lying to the people.

[Debo]

I got one bedroom.

[Joe Hayden]

You got 16 hats in your office. It's crazy work.

[Debo]

19. But hey, at least you wore the right colors.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, it came through fresh with the stillers five. Yes, sir. Practice jersey. Call that a Gator 5? You know, Gator 5.

[Debo]

I mean, call it what you want to, man. We gonna call it a sweet call.

[Joe Hayden]

This is Jalen Ramsey.

[Debo]

We're gonna call it a sweep by next Tuesday. Cleveland Cavaliers.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope, I'm gonna probably have to be. I'm probably. I'm gonna be endgame full. Probably Monday. While 1.

[Debo]

While we're cleaning up.

[Joe Hayden]

While we're making it. 2. 2.

[Debo]

Hey, look here, man. Coming to life. Back again. It's only coming to life. Ain't five dollar coming to life. Appreciate you. She said, back in your playing days, how many family tickets could you really get? And today, can you still call for the same love or all those perks gone? She talking to you.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, back in my playing days, I had a suite for the fam. We had 16 tickets a game with like six sweet passes, you know what I'm saying? Making sure they was in there. Cause my parents came to us.

[Debo]

Hey, listen, Joe, this is the problem. Everybody think we get free.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no, you got to pay for those that sweet in The Cleveland, Joe. 100 bands. Yeah, 100,000 every year. Taking right out the check.

[Debo]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Hayden]

We.

[Debo]

We do not get free tickets, okay? To the football games. We don't get those.

[Joe Hayden]

No, we get it when you go

[Debo]

and you got like all your family coming. Like, you know, I'm the youngest of 14 and I will have a Whole bunch of people coming sometimes. And I had to get like 25, 30 tickets. You know, occasionally those are paid for out of pocket.

[Joe Hayden]

Take it out my check. You're gonna just get. You get the pit.

[Debo]

They take it directly out of your check. It get it. It is a deduction. That's labeled right there. You don't even see it. They don't say, pay it to me. Your box comes straight out that check. Yeah, don't worry about it. We get it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. That is crazy right now.

[Debo]

Yeah. Like, everybody think, man, just give us some tickets. Yeah, I'll be like, here.

[Joe Hayden]

Being a retired player, we get way better hookups because they. You call up to the people and they can somehow they get you, you know, the owner, they could put you in the box. They put you somewhere. They give you tickets to get in the building now, right now, right?

[Debo]

You get, you get, you get, you get to the. But you ain't getting. But you ain't getting nothing but one or two.

[Joe Hayden]

Two. Two max. Don't be sitting here trying to get four tickets to the game. Who you think, no, you get two of them joints, you're gonna be in good space.

[Debo]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

Hopefully you can bring a homie. You plus one. It's like a wedding when you go into these.

[Debo]

I ain't gonna lie, dude. I get. I get me and my kids. Every. Every kids. My guy, My guy, my guy, my guy. Look out for me.

[Joe Hayden]

Larry Paul, he would definitely look out. And Thomas Toad, both of the.

[Debo]

He always look out for me.

[Joe Hayden]

Legend.

[Debo]

Everything Legend.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Yep. Yep. Show Covenant light back again. $10. She said Stephen Jackson, 3, 041, said the Browns could win every game if they started. Sanders, stop, bruh. The chat also said the Browns win AFC North. Joe, let Debo have a moment

[Joe Hayden]

to

[Debo]

shut this all the way down. You shut this down, man. The Browns win the AFC North.

[Joe Hayden]

What I'm telling you is, bro, don't

[Debo]

say nothing goofy and stupid to say. Oh, please.

[Joe Hayden]

What I'm telling you.

[Debo]

Yes or no question, Joe. I said, do the Browns win this one?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm trying to tell. They don't. I don't know. I don't know who's going to be my starting quarterback.

[Debo]

Don't nobody know. Do the Browns win with Shador starting? He said they win every game if they start. Who is this goofball, brother? Yes or no? Shador starting. Do they win every game?

[Joe Hayden]

We don't win every game.

[Debo]

Do you win?

[Joe Hayden]

North is up for grabs.

[Debo]

Do you win, yes or no?

[Joe Hayden]

The north is up. A couple grabs Grabs. He put me on. It's too. It's still. I got time. I got time before the season starts. Right before the season. I need to see more. I'm going to training camp. I'm going to be there. I need to put my eyes on it. I don't need to hear nobody else telling me what it looked like. I need to go see what my for myself. That's the best way.

[Debo]

So they beat. They beat. They they they they they they. They beat the Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the only. That's the only is our Steelers Ravens not stressing. Bengals not stressing.

[Debo]

Bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I.

[Debo]

You are out of your.

[Joe Hayden]

All we have to do is bruh.

[Debo]

I want you. We need to have a intervention because you are on drugs. You are talking crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

You.

[Debo]

We need to get your help.

[Joe Hayden]

You didn't watch. You don't be watching the Browns the way I be watching them.

[Debo]

What the hell I need to watch. What am I not seeing? What. What am I not seeing that the records ain't showing?

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, it's a working process on the offensive side of the bowl. Now we got our line. We got the same skill players but better. Okay. Defense didn't go anywhere. Defense is going to get better. Special teams is going to get better. Full team offense. Let's score. We're going to average. We average over 21 points a game. We. We're in there. That's nine. That's at least nine wins.

[Debo]

21 points a game against who?

[Joe Hayden]

Against the NFL. What are you talking about? Three touchdowns. Yes.

[Debo]

I'm socked you in your face.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you're not.

[Debo]

Joe. Joe Covenant got another one. She said. I recently watched AB show his son's Auto and Ali football footage and you could hear how proud he was and saw himself in his sons on the field. Do you mention have that same feeling when you see your sons? I see. I don't want my. I don't want to see nothing about me and my sons. I want to see something far greater and better. And it ain't got nothing to do with football. I want to see better men. I want to see greater men. I want to see people that love more, that care more. I want to see a person that is far greater than me in every aspect of their life. That is. That has absolutely nothing to do with football and being a godly man. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

I think seeing my kids be healthy, be happy, enjoy whatever they're doing gives me so much joy as a dad. So I want to. I want them to. I want to Love what they love. I want them to love something, do it, and be like. Have passion. So, like, seeing my kids out there on the field, it makes me happy because they're enjoying it, not because I want them to be out there. They like playing. They like being out there, like, having fun with their friends. I don't want to live vicariously through my child. I want my child to be way better than me if he wants to play. And if he does not want to play, I.

[Debo]

A lot of pressure, Joe. There's a lot of pressure on that.

[Joe Hayden]

But trust me, you know, who is not giving that pressure? And I make sure I let them know that it's not. It's not from dad. Not. We don't have to do this. You know what I'm saying? Like, we go do whatever we.

[Debo]

Hey, bro, we do not have to do this. This is not what you had. I do not care.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't give a damn. I just want you to do something that you want to do. And whatever you want to do, son, we're going to attack it. Because you know what you're going to do? You're going to do something. You're not going to do nothing. Don't have to be basketball. You want to do something, though?

[Debo]

Hey, you gonna leave here with something.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm telling you. That's gonna keep bonding, being around, like, good. You're gonna. You're gonna be. Gonna do something. Track and field, individual sports. You like golf? Listen, like, we can go swing the club.

[Debo]

Oh, I'm gonna make you play because you need that. I think you need that. I think you need. You need to have some. To fight and lose and win and.

[Joe Hayden]

And. And have ups and downs and play and, like, structure. I love the coaching, being able to listen drills, listening skills, attention to details. Like, all of that stuff is just so. Just coordination. What you're not going to do is just be walking around here like you don't know how to control your limbs.

[Debo]

Yeah, for show. For show, my man. We got another one. What is this one right here? All right, there we go. What's that? Goo 2006. 2020. Appreciate you. He said, when will Debo fight Chad Johnson, AKA Ocho Stinko? That said, with warmest regards, God bless you both and the Steelers. Yes, of course. Love the podcast. Thank you very much. I paint while listening, and some laughs are permanent on the canvas, brother. I need to see some of that art, man. I want to see what you paint, please. No, you gotta. You gotta send something. You gotta send Something to. To the ig. Send something to the IG On Debo and Joe, man. Send it. Send it to the IG. We gotta see. We gotta see what you.

[Joe Hayden]

Please see what that we're talking about.

[Debo]

Yeah, for sure. I want to see what you paint, man. I gotta see what you paint, man. Yes, sir. That fighting with me and Chad, He victim weight.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't do it. You ain't trying to go to Chance.

[Debo]

I can't. I can't do it, you know? But what we got. What's today? Friday. Okay. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

So I think next week we. Is it gonna be jumping tomorrow?

[Debo]

Tomorrow? Tomorrow. We got.

[Joe Hayden]

No, tomorrow is Saturday.

[Debo]

Oh, Lord. Hold up. Covenant Life. Then jump back. Whoa. Congrats on 100 episodes.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you, Covenant.

[Debo]

I love you, man, for life. Thank you, company. We appreciate it.

[Joe Hayden]

Appreciate. Always coveted. Always come show for show.

[Debo]

Like I was saying, man, tomorrow. Somebody, somebody, somebody plays a couple teams, actually. Who is that, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

You already know what time it is, my boys. The Cavs and the Lakers and. Yeah. Are you locked in,

[Debo]

Joe? These were. Listen, man, just call me Cece.

[Joe Hayden]

For what?

[Debo]

Cc. You know, CC here.

[Joe Hayden]

I know. Cece, Sabathia.

[Debo]

Chad. Chad with a name it would have lacked. You calling Mr. Cunningham okay? Y' all call him. Hey, y'. All. Yeah, sorry. K. Y' all call him Mr. Cunningham. K. I was thinking about Chad. Ocho ass. Y' all call him Mr. Cunningham, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm sad to say. The Lakers versus OKC. You got a point. That. That. That could get ugly. That could get tricky. My Cavs, though. I still believe we gonna come and win the cities. You don't understand the way the series go. You don't watch basketball, so we need to still.

[Debo]

They call. Hey, listen, man, they calling that man, they calling that man the calf killer.

[Joe Hayden]

If they win game three.

[Debo]

Hey, listen, after they win game three, I' ma call you because I know you're gonna be on suicide watch.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna be on my. Somehow. Somehow way we're gonna do this.

[Debo]

I'm there for you. Hey, listen, man. I want you to think, though, when I. When that happened. You got kids.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't doing crazy, okay? I might just. I'm so close to the game, Game four. They might. If they got. If they need me, I will be right there on the sideline getting ready to get.

[Debo]

If they. If they need you, it is over with.

[Joe Hayden]

That is true. That is true. That is true. That is true. That is true. That means it's getting ugly.

[Debo]

That is getting ugly. You right. You right, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Strictly for moral support. Strictly for moral support. Strictly for more support.

[Debo]

Okay, okay. Strictly for moral. So I. I could go with that. I could go with that. Hey, and also, Sunday is Mother's Day.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Debo]

So we gotta give a happy Mother's Day to all the mothers.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes. We love all the mothers.

[Debo]

Happy Mother's Day.

[Joe Hayden]

Happy Mother's Day, Mom.

[Debo]

Yes, yes. Happy Mother's Day. And. Oh, hey, I got one. I got one.

[Joe Hayden]

It is my grandfather's 84th birthday today. He is the pioneer, Joseph Hayden, Sr. And my dad is a junior, and I'm the third. So my grandfather's birthday today. Joseph Hayden, Senior.

[Debo]

Happy birthday, AKA Pop.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[Debo]

Yes, yes. Happy birthday, Pop.

[Joe Hayden]

Pop.

[Debo]

Hey, let's go 84. Y'. All. Y'. All. Y' all are young.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. You know, just in. Pop, Pop, he out there. He's thriving. He is moving and shaking, putting a hundred thousand miles on the car.

[Debo]

My mama almost old as your. Your granddaddy.

[Joe Hayden]

That's my grandpa. 80, 80, 84. My grandmama.

[Debo]

I am the youngest of 14.

[Joe Hayden]

See, that's. That's what I'm saying. How old's your oldest brother?

[Debo]

He 20 years older.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm the oldest boy. You know what I'm saying, debo? That's that. 20 years older. That. That's basically how my dad is. 20 years older than me. You know what I'm saying? Started young time. 19. Had your boy dub 20. Bink.

[Debo]

You the oldest, though?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Okay. Yes, he had his five boys between 20 and 27, 28. Done. One of the girls. One of the girls. One of the girls so bad. No girl. Five boys.

[Debo]

Ah, man, I want. I ain't want no girls. Lord knew I couldn't handle that. So he ain't give me one. He only give you more. He only give you what you can handle. He ain't know it, though. He couldn't handle having a girl. That's why the Lord, he know it. He know it, though. Telling me, Lord say, hey, I can't get it to you.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't get into what you can't handle. I'm gonna give you five little boys.

[Debo]

No question. No question. Look here, people, we want to thank you for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download. Where you get your show, Joe? Man, we got a couple for them next.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, we do.

[Debo]

Monday and Tuesday, Joe. Let them know who we got on Monday, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Is that. Is that the 11th?

[Debo]

That's the 11th.

[Joe Hayden]

Is that my good man coming in? Yes, we got your Josh cribs. We got. We got young Josh cribs. We gotta bring some.

[Debo]

Hey, and we good. We ain't gonna tell you who we got on Tuesday, but we're gonna tell y' all after that on Monday.

[Joe Hayden]

But it's a banger. It's a banger. We gonna act the best.

[Debo]

Best behaviors, best behaviors, best behaviors, banger. We'll see y' all on Monday when we got. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.