Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Kenneth Walker III to hit free agency + Jalen Hurts the NFL's most hated player?

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe, Part 2: Kenneth Walker III to Hit Free Agency + Is Jalen Hurts the NFL's Most Hated Player?

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe (iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)
Episode Date: February 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features NFL legends Deebo and Joe (subbing in for Shannon Sharpe), diving deep into trending NFL headlines, fan Q&As, and classic player debates. They tackle the futures of stars like Kenneth Walker III, debate why Jalen Hurts is considered the "NFL's most hated player," reminisce on battles with iconic wide receivers, and engage with passionate fans on everything from draft trades to locker room legends.
Tone throughout is candid, playful, and rooted in lived NFL experience.

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Key Topics & Insights

Kenneth Walker III’s Free Agency Future

Timestamps: 02:09–05:39

• Announcement: Kenneth Walker III will become a free agent as Seattle won’t use the franchise or transition tag, making him “free free.”
  Joe: “With him being a free agent, it said that they aren’t going to give him a tag of franchise or transitional player and he’s going to be free. Free.” (02:20)
• Debate: Seattle’s priorities lean toward paying Jackson Smith-Njigba (JSN) and balancing their financial situation with young talent like Charbonnet at running back.
• Deebo’s Take:
  • “If I’m there, I’m definitely trying to keep Kenneth Walker… JSN’s deal is going to get done. He’s a priority. But you can’t pay everybody.” (04:14)
  • Advocates giving Walker a “nice deal” (like Dalvin Cook), but says Seattle must be realistic and Walker should seek top dollar if available.

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Top 5 Wide Receivers of All Time Debate

Timestamps: 06:42–13:47

• Prompt: Joe asks Deebo for his ‘Top 5 WRs of All Time’.
• Both Agree: Jerry Rice is a statistical outlier and must be included, but personal favorites take precedence.
• Deebo’s Top 5:
  1. Randy Moss (“my favorite receiver of all time”) (09:26)
  2. Terrell Owens (“gotta give number two to T.O.”) (09:28)
  3. Antonio Brown (“I played against him and with him”) (09:34)
  4. Calvin Johnson (“Megatron; only one I didn’t play against is Moss”) (10:09)
  5. Julio Jones (“athletically… it was a little bit harder for me to cover Julio than Larry Fitzgerald”) (10:29)
• Honorable Mentions: Larry Fitzgerald (“Nice Hands Larry”), Isaac Bruce, Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt (“Torry Holt needs to be in the Hall of Fame”), Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Tim Brown.
• Deebo’s Philosophy:
  “Your favorite great don’t gotta be my favorite great. If I’m bringing up like, I’m like, no, but what about him? I’m like, oh, he’s nice…he’s not my top five.” (12:19–13:18)
• Milestone Memory: Joe recalls trying to defend Calvin Johnson (“Megatron”) on a Hail Mary in 2013— “We had three cats on him, bro. You know he caught the ball over us, right?” (13:54)

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Why Is Jalen Hurts the NFL’s Most Hated Player?

Timestamps: 19:16–22:43

• Statistic: According to Vegas Insider, Jalen Hurts has a ‘hate score’ of 10/10 from NFL fans.
• Joe’s Theory:
  • It’s mostly about Philadelphia fans, famed for their unruly hostility even toward their own (“they were throwing batteries at the bus, bruh!”) (19:54)
  • “He is the face of the organization. So all the fans go hate them. That’s easy. That’s 10 out of 10.” (20:44)
• Deebo’s Take:
  • Argues that Hurts’ calm composure and “unbothered” vibe rub some fans the wrong way.
  • “He’s so smooth, like he don’t care… His smoothness—people try to affect him, and he’s unbothered.” (21:51)
• Consensus: The hate is more about the Philly market and its expectations than Hurts’ actual play or demeanor.

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NFL ‘Most Hated’ Players List—Rapid Fire

Timestamps: 22:52–25:50

• Highlights:
  • Jake Moody (49ers K): Hated for missed ‘money kicks.’
  • Daniel Jones (Giants QB): The New York pressure cooker.
  • Luther Burton (Rookie WR): “Already hating him because he didn’t get y’all what you thought you should have got off the rookie year.” (23:44)
  • Joe Burrow, Zach Wilson: Sometimes punished by fans for just being “too cool” or failing to meet lofty market expectations.
  • Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson: Comments touch on vaccine controversy, guaranteed money, and off-field narratives.

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Deshaun Watson & “The Bag” Discussion

Timestamps: 25:05–31:13

• Scenario: What should the Browns do if Watson returns to MVP-level form in his final guaranteed contract year ($46M)?
  • Joe: “He put up 450 yards, six touchdowns. What you go do, Joe?”
  • Deebo: “I’m gonna give him another bag. Straight up. If he takes us there, he deserves another way.”
• Negotiation: Banter over the length and amount of a new Watson deal (“Two years, another two,” vs. “He need three year, 135 with 120 guaranteed.”)
• Team Loyalty vs. Player Leverage: The debate weighs the franchise’s long-term flexibility against player’s market-setting contracts.

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Fan Superchat Segment—Draft, Trades, Steelers Roster Moves

Timestamps: 31:14–44:48

• Trade Proposals: Listeners propose complex draft trades; Deebo and Joe generally prefer “homegrown” talent over risky, unknown draft picks.
• Steelers Roster Churn:
  • TJ Watt’s status as a “face of the franchise” is defended.
    “Brother, TJ not going nowhere, man. He’s a baller. He does everything the right way.” (41:36)
  • Opining on possible trades to free cap or getting younger, but stressing you “can’t just put out” proven stars.
• Coaching Requests: Listener asks if Deebo & Joe would help coach Steelers’ defense:
  • Joe jokes about Dick LeBeau as consultant: “Let’s set up a little vacation… hang out in Arizona, play golf, and pick your ear about this fire zone defense.” (44:12)

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Memorable Quotes

• Deebo on Seahawks’ RB dilemma:
  “You can’t pay everybody…I will want to give him [Walker]…a nice deal…but not a resetting of the market.” (04:14)
• On fan debates:
  “Your favorite great don’t gotta be my favorite great…Who you taking off my joint?…You just talking about greats.” (12:19–13:18)
• Joe on Philly fans:
  “You can’t get no stronger negative reaction from the fans…They were throwing batteries at the bus, bruh.” (19:54)
• Deebo on Jalen Hurts:
  “Sometimes he’s…nothing wavers him…You can’t say nothing to throw Jalen Hurts off of his vibe.” (21:51)

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Notable Moments & Fun Banter

• Joe’s “Wi-Fi Troubles” recur throughout, leading to jokes about “running on dial-up” and needing to “turn all the power off and flip it back on.” (06:07, 34:43)
• Deebo on Home Repairs:
  “I generally know a little bit about everything… I got a degree in general studies.” (45:15)
• **Debate about location of “Cabo” and St. Lucia—a classic running joke as both try to pin it on the map. (46:39–47:08)

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Listener Questions and Community Shout-Outs

• Superchats cover everything from offensive line priorities to best college cornerbacks on the draft board.
• Legacy Debates: Who’ll step into defensive leadership, and how changing rosters and contracts keep franchises competitive.

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Summary & Takeaways

This episode delivers a lively, insightful peek into the business and culture of the NFL through the eyes of two former pros. From candid debates about roster construction to the quirks of fan perceptions and legendary player legacies, Deebo and Joe bring unfiltered analysis and personal anecdotes.
Whether you’re a Seahawks fan worried about losing Kenneth Walker, a Philly defender, or a lover of top-5 debates, there’s an authentic, inside-the-locker-room vibe—punctuated by fan love and old-school NFL war stories.

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Next Episode: Deebo will report in from a “different location”—possibly Cabo or St. Lucia (location still undetermined).

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Transcript

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[Joe]

Yo, matter of fact, speaking of that and free agents, you know, your guy Kenneth Walker or our guy, Kenneth Walker iii, you know he a free agent, right?

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

Okay, so with him being a free agent, it said that they aren't going to give him a tag of franchise or transitional player and he's going to be free. Free. What do you think of that?

[Debo]

They're what they said it was going to do to him.

[Joe]

Neither.

[Debo]

Neither. They just gonna Let him walk.

[Joe]

I don't know if they're gonna let him walk unless they're saying they go try and get a deal done before that time comes. That's the only thing I can think of that makes sense to me is, is get a deal before the time come.

[Debo]

I would hope that they would try to get a deal done with Kenneth Walker before the. Before the time is done. I mean, I know they got Charbonnet also. They saying that. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

[Joe]

They saying that it's. They trying to make sure they got the money for Smith and Jenko and Jingba. Oh, they're trying to say they got. They trying to make sure they got enough money for him. They gotta. They gotta pay him. Yes.

[Debo]

I think Seattle, man, that's the case.

[Joe]

And it's possibly something that they're like, all right, we go wait and see what we got to pay him to see what we got left to be able to give to Walker. You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm out here switching switches, man, trying to get this started.

[Debo]

I see you, man. You.

[Joe]

You went.

[Debo]

You went dark on me for a minute.

[Joe]

Dark, baby. This is what you got to do, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Debo]

You got to get how you live. Debo, I see you. You figuring it out.

[Joe]

Yeah. What's your.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What's your.

[Joe]

What's your position on that? If you. The gym, what you doing? Because they. They said they only have ever. The new GM there has only ever franchise. I think they said 12 or 16 players or something like that in his time as. As. As a GM or something.

[Debo]

If. If. If I'm there, I'm definitely trying to keep Kenneth Walker. And first things first, though. Jackson, Smith, a Jigba's deal is going to get done. He's a priority for sure. Because, you know, like you said, Charbonnet was running the ball really well, too. And I hate to now sound like the. Like the. Like the gm, like. No, but he needs to get paid. But you. Like you said, you can't pay everybody. I will want to give him. You offer him a nice deal, like a Dalvin Cook. You know what I'm saying? Something like that, but not like a resetting of the market. And if that can fit in your budget, definitely you would do it. But if I'm Walker, if you can go get a Saquon, if you can go get something a little bit higher and you're running back and you know how it works in this league, then you may be able to go get your money, man. You went to the Super Bowl. You're a baller. So I'm never going to knock him in that part, but that's where you can see where the Seahawks are always at the same time, running back. They got Charbonnet for the low. Now, Kendall Walker, you are deserving. You did your part for us. So now as the money works, can we pay both of you guys? I don't know if we can do you top dollar and JSN top dollar. The same way we got to do Witherspoon.

[Joe]

He breaking something. He breaking something.

[Debo]

Who breaking. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And jig. But breaking something and then Witherspoon on the defense in. That cornerback he's up to. He's going to get. He's trying to get top. He's been balling. He's been all pro.

[Joe]

He's up.

[Debo]

He's trying to get cornerback money.

[Joe]

Dang. I know. He was up, too.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They up and Debo. Yeah, your wi Fi. You know what you in the lemon.

[Joe]

I told you, bro. Listen, bro, listen. It ain't. It ain't nothing but a lemon, bro. Listen, it ain't none of that. Ain't none of that fiber or nothing around here like that, man. I'm running on dial up.

[Debo]

You got this little man running across your joint.

[Joe]

I'm trying to tell you, bro. I'm running on dial up. I'm trying to see what's going on right here. Yeah, man, ain't nothing. Ain't nothing. Ain't nothing popping. I can't. I'm on.

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[Joe]

I'm on regular. I'm on regular. Regular work here, bro. Trying to see if I can anything.

[Debo]

You got to Jason deserve that bag, though. That's for sure. Oh, yeah, you do.

[Joe]

Yeah, you. You got. You got to give him that. It's no if, ands or buts about it, brother.

[Debo]

So when I was speaking on that, though, while we saying about jsn, I wanted to ask you, though, Devo. I wanted to ask you. Can I ask you a question?

[Joe]

What a.

[Debo]

Who are your top five wide receivers of all time? Who Your two.

[Joe]

Rice.

[Debo]

Jerry Rice. Okay.

[Joe]

The jersey you got on Brandy Moss. Okay. Man, it's hard. I didn't relax you, man. I wanna. I want to put ab in there. Yeah, for sure.

[Debo]

We talking about. We talking about that. That you. I'm in between the lines. That you just say who you think.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Because I'm gonna act. Because it's a. It's a difference between who's your who. So you play it against who, who.

[Joe]

You get who, who you giving your. Who you giving your top five.

[Debo]

Okay, this is my. This is my thing too. When I ask, when we talk about the top fives, when we talk about Jerry Rice in the conversation.

[Joe]

So anybody ever go get close?

[Debo]

Everybody always going to be. Because if you want, like, he has so much more than everybody. That's like longevity. It's just stats.

[Joe]

And that's back in the day.

[Debo]

So this. That's back in the day. That's back in the day. But that's when I like to say too, like now, I mean, so if anybody were to say somebody over Jerry Rice, they're like, oh, what do you mean? Like, you don't know football. It's like stats wise, all that longevity, but then that's when it's starting to go to Braun. He's going to be in there a lot longer. So I'm going talk about talking about another. Another time for another conversation. But Jerry Rice, we. I got to put him in there just because he's the highest. But my. Let me go mine. If I were to do mine, my favorite receiver, my top five, number one. Well, if we gonna eliminate. Can we just put Jerry right As an outlier and then we go. And then we could go five. Or do we have to put Jerry Rice in top five? Yo, you back. I can't hear you, though. I can't hear you, though, but you back. Hold on, hold on. Get your mic on.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm back, bro.

[Debo]

Yeah, there we go.

[Joe]

Hey, what y' all doing? Y' all know I'm up here trying to work, you know what I'm saying? Like, what they doing?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Bro?

[Joe]

Bro, I'm back. Back. You back.

[Debo]

There we go. Yes, there we go. Feel so much better. Have you back, brother. Welcome back, Debo.

[Joe]

I didn't know if it was the.

[Debo]

Jo for a second, but you know what I'm saying? Back Debo and Joe.

[Joe]

Okay, okay. You took it over. Okay.

[Debo]

I had. I had to just for a second.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, you got to.

[Debo]

Got to. You know what I'm saying? All right, so look, give me your five. I'm gonna go to my five. All right, My five. Number one, obviously the freak, Randy Moss, my favorite receiver of all time. Number one. Number two to. I gotta give it to him. Yeah, gotta give number two to Tio. Second best receiver, number three, Antonio Brown, all times. And I don't care. I played against him and I played with him.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Debo]

In between those lines.

[Joe]

Give me your other two, though. Okay.

[Debo]

I am number four. Megatron. Megatron. And these are because I played against. I played against them. The only one I didn't play against so far is Randy Moss. Megatron. And then for my number five is Julio Jones.

[Joe]

Hey, I was gonna put Julio in there.

[Debo]

I'm gonna go, Julio. I got to go, Julio. I got to go, Julio.

[Joe]

But I got to see enough of him, like. Like, personally. But yeah, to I, I, it scratched my head on To I, I totally. Even that just. That just. I was drawing a blank on that, to be honest. But, yeah, he's definitely.

[Debo]

It was between Julio. It's between Julio and I, because I. I had my. I had. Literally, it's right here. It's Julio.

[Joe]

Julio. It's Julio.

[Debo]

It's Julio Jones. But I'll be. I give him a nickname. I call him Julio. His name is Julio. I called him Julio because that was my guy, but I called him Julio Jones. It was between him and Nice Hands Larry.

[Joe]

You had me saying Julio.

[Debo]

It was between Julio and Nice Hands Larry.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Larry Fitzgerald. It was between them two. Julio and Nice Hands Larry.

[Joe]

Yeah, Larry played forever.

[Debo]

Larry's another long. Larry's another just consistent longevity. Like, he wasn't nothing too crazy, but the level of consistency that it was. That's why when I'm saying when I go Julio, he would give me that work off the line sometimes. He was just big, strong, fast. Some of the craziest stuff I've ever seen. So that's why just athletically and me just covering him, it was a little bit harder for me to cover Julio than it was to cover Larry. Not saying Larry wasn't be able to get busy, but I'm just saying when I was like, God damn. All right, Julio, it's going to be some work today. It's going to be some work today. And not like Larry wasn't work today. He's. We say, sits all time. When you're comparing the best people of all times. Like, I'm like Isaac Bruce. Like, there's other players, like AJ Green, one of the best dudes I went against. You know what I'm saying? Isaac Bruce, Wayne, Reggie Wayne, one of the best receivers. Torrey Halt. That's not in the hall of Fame. Tory Halt needs to be.

[Joe]

Tory Halt ain't the hall of Fame.

[Debo]

Tory Halt is in the hall of Fame, which is crazy. Tory Halt needs to be in the hall of Fame because him, Isaac Bruce, who was going ridiculously fed together with the Rams greatest Show on turf at the same time. Marshall Falk in there, Kurt Warner in there, Isaac Bruce in there. They need to get Tori Halton there. That's actually crazy that he's not in cuz he's a OG on my list too. So it's not like you, you not. I'm not disrespecting nobody. Like these dudes are all the ghosts. But when you start talking about this, who's your favorite? You not knocking nobody else to put up another man. Like, if they bring up somebody else, I'm like, yes, Baller that your top five is your top five. You can have a Tory Halt top five. Isaac Bruce in your top five, A Steve Smith in your top five, Andre Johnson in your top five. And I'd be like this. Yup, yup, yup, yup. Because when you start trying to put greats in greats, you just talking about greats. You just know, like, and who's your favorite great? Your favorite great. Don't gotta be my favorite great. So if I'm bringing up like, I'm like, no, but what about him? I'm like, oh, he's nice. He's a grazing. He could be. He's the top five for sure. But he's not my top five, you know what I'm saying? Don't get here and get the beating up my list. Let me see your list. And then we compare and then we can ask why you like him. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's. When people do these lists, that's why I like asking and just seeing because I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, you like him more than you like him. Oh, they like this person more than like this Tim. Tim Brown, you know what I'm saying? Like just real live ogs that are fire that somebody could say. And I'm like, yep, put them in the list. Who you taking off my joint? They like, man, I like.

[Joe]

Speaking of Megatron, bro, when I was in. When I was in Cincinnati, bruh, in 2013, bro, we knew they was about to throw up a hell marriage. Cat, bro. We had three cats on him, bro. You know he caught the barber. Yes, right?

[Debo]

Yes. On all of their head tops, bruh.

[Joe]

Like, everybody was standing there and we're like, yo, what? It was at least three if it wasn't for, bro.

[Debo]

Hand up on you.

[Joe]

Went up the disrespect. Like everybody's there and it's. He, he, man, he threw the ball perfectly to where you had to jump and catch it at the man. Eyes point Skied up. I'm like, somebody grabbed his leg or something like pastor.

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Every search and rescue team in LA.

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County has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department.

[Debo]

The rumor around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of.

[Podcast Announcer]

Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

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[Debo]

Who does that?

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[Joe]

Like, do something, man.

[Debo]

Yes. Megatron had the dudes lining up as a gunner. He had corners. They tried. I was looking at the film and I'm like, coach, what you not going to do is have another cornerback lined up next to me like we're running Gunner Technique.

[Joe]

2 on this, man.

[Debo]

I was like this. No, no, no, no, no, no. Safety lean all the way over here. Don't stand next to me. We look crazy. We're professional athletes. This is not a gunner. He's a wide receiver only. Only for Calvin. That was the only time. But I ain't. I wasn't doing that.

[Joe]

So Jalen hurts, they're saying right now is the most hated player in the NFL, according to a. A data analyst by some website Vegas Insider. Oh, according to the fans, he got a hate score of 10 out of 10, bro. Like, you can't. You can't get no stronger negative reaction from the fans. Why do you think herz got a 10 out of 10, bro? Number one.

[Debo]

I don't tell you why.

[Joe]

I know why.

[Debo]

Go ahead, you tell me. You tell me what you think. You tell me what you think. Oh, it ain't.

[Joe]

It ain't no thing. I 100% know why.

[Debo]

Why?

[Joe]

The most hated by the fans. Okay, so Philadelphia fans, I can't stand them. They are the worst, worst behaved manner Talking fans in the world, bro. That's the first time I ever came through, man. These people was throwing, not age, bro. They're throwing batteries at the bus, bro.

[Debo]

Yeah, it's not safe in that stadium. I told my old lady, man, don't come in here wearing nothing. Just come in there. Joint with normal clothes. Come in there natural, natural neutral. You just coming in here because you like. You just like the football atmosphere, bro.

[Joe]

When it was folks, when we would play up there, people would not wear Steeler gear. They would literally fight you in the stands, bro. Jump.

[Debo]

That's what I'm saying. I didn't want that. That's not.

[Joe]

This is why Jalen Hurts is the most hated by fans because they hate him because he is the face of the organization. So all the fans go hate them. That's easy. That's 10 out of 10. I can tell you why that was 10 out of 10, bro. I would make the Philly fans if they had a list of what fans are the worst fans. They. 10 out of 10 for me.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm thinking they, like, oh, they're gonna be throwing, you know, this and that at the bus. I'm like, okay, whatever. They were throwing battery. I'm like, how you gonna throw a battery at a busy. Like, they thought they ain't doing. They ain't throwing no AAA's, C. D's, dude, they throwing real batteries at the bus, bro. Emma, that mug hit so hard, bro. I was like, dang, no better. They shooting.

[Debo]

That's crazy, bro. That's crazy. See, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I think. I don't know. I think. I think you're right. You have. If you have a point, I think they. Philly fans are bad. Like when I said. When people go. There they are. They go hard. But I think Jalen Hurts.

[Joe]

This is a hatred. Listen, what the fans say.

[Debo]

Jalen Hurts is real. Chill, bro. I think people don't like how, like, just sometimes. Sometimes he's. His nonchalantness. His just, like. He's not nonchalant. He's just real. He's just. He's nothing Wavers him. You can't say nothing to throw Jalen Hurts off of his vibe. He's gonna give you, like, when they talking about the offense and what's going on, he's just so smooth, like. Like he don't care. And I think that could. That could bother people or rub people the wrong way a little bit. So, I don't know, like, hate it with the fans, for sure. But I just think his. His smoothness of how just they can't. People try to affect him and, like, he's. He's unbothered by what people say, and I think that's what bothers them about. About Jalen.

[Joe]

Nah, I'm telling you, man, he. He. He caught a stray. Cause of them fans, bruh. I'm trying to tell you, bruh. It's.

[Debo]

No, I. I just think it's strictly fans, dude.

[Joe]

It's strictly fans, dude. Like, he like, date on. On the money. 10 out of 10. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He called them all, bro.

[Debo]

10 out of 10.

[Joe]

What's the next one?

[Debo]

10 out of 10?

[Joe]

Jake Moody. Like, why everybody don't like Moody, bro? You know, he was missing kicks over there.

[Debo]

Okay, yeah.

[Joe]

So that right there is their actual fans jumping on him for missing all the little, you know, little money kicks, little short kicks. They feel like he should have made it. Like, yo, you done. You done missed a few too many. Daniel Jones, he got a 9. 5.

[Debo]

Why do you like Daniel Jones?

[Joe]

I don't understand that one. I ain't gonna lie. Only thing I only think I think of is, like, are Vegas and I don't know, are they in the same division or anything? I don't think so. Are they? I don't know. I don't. I don't know. The Daniel Jones thing. Like, man got hurt.

[Debo]

Man got hurt. Man went and try to. Tried his best. I think it may because he New York hard place to play in hell.

[Joe]

The other Luther Burton dude, he was a rookie. Y'.

[Debo]

All.

[Joe]

Y' all already hating him already because he ain't get y'.

[Boys and Girls Host]

All.

[Joe]

What y' all thought y' all should have got off the rookie year. Like, you making the list like you.

[Debo]

Yeah, these fans, they ain't.

[Joe]

They ain't. Man, they ain't got no patience, man. They ain't got. Ain't got no chill.

[Debo]

Ain't got nothing, man.

[Joe]

And a lot of these. A lot of these people on here is like. I think it's. It's a few too many quarterbacks on here. Why. Why do you hate Burrow?

[Debo]

I'm telling you, they don't like the. If you. If you chilling and you cool. Are you too cool sometimes? I mean, they only don't like it. I like Joe.

[Joe]

Zach Willis. What. What he done did.

[Debo]

Zach Wilson, they people. He ain't do nothing.

[Joe]

Is that what it is?

[Debo]

That's why.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, so. All right. All right. I see a rod.

[Debo]

You know, just you. The. The vaccine you know, he just be. Don't, like, don't care. Sometimes people just hold on grudges. Josh Allen.

[Joe]

What they got against your boy Watson? Deshaun Watson? What they gotta get. What.

[Debo]

What don't they try to got? Like, they feel like my man got the guaranteed bag. The.

[Joe]

He coming back. What's going on? What's with that? He's still under contract. What's going on?

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah, my man, he's still like, we got another year of guaranteed. Deshaun46.

[Joe]

They'll give him a chance to compete.

[Debo]

Yeah, they. I mean, look, 46 million reasons. And if he's coming in there with a good leg, I mean, if I'm the Browns and you're paying him that bread and this is the last year guaranteed money on the contract. He's healthy. He's been. And that's the other thing. He has not been a distraction. He hasn't been doing anything. He hasn't been. He's been trying to get healthy, trying to do the right thing. So as the team, if I'm the organization. You're still paying him. It's 46 guaranteed. Obviously, you got Chador still there, and now we have a. Now we have quarterbacks. So if he's healthy and he wins it out, let him play. We'll see. Still got.

[Joe]

He healthy. So here. He healthy. He went it out.

[Debo]

Yeah, we got one. We got one more now.

[Joe]

Hold on. He healthy. He win it out, y'.

[Boys and Girls Host]

All.

[Joe]

Ball.

[Debo]

No ball. Hold on.

[Joe]

Listen.

[Debo]

Already. No. The back pay for Deshawn. No, you already got 240.

[Joe]

What I was gonna say. People want to hear what I was gonna say. Joe, you already thinking it in your head. But let me.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Let me.

[Debo]

I know what you saying. You lost your damn mind like Joe.

[Joe]

Let me. Let me put it out there. It's the Debo and Joe show. The Joe that quick. After my phone stop, after my interweb came back.

[Debo]

Go ahead.

[Joe]

Okay, listen. So he go out there, he balls out all pro. He get y' all to the AFC championship. The defense loser for y', all, but he put up 450 yards, six touchdowns. What you go do, Joe? You go.

[Debo]

I'm gonna give him another bag. Straight up. If he take us. If he take us there. If he takes us there, he. We got. He deserves a way. You know what, guys?

[Joe]

You see. You see, I can change your mind, baby. I'm trying to tell you because.

[Debo]

Because. Because, listen. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not listening. I'm not letting you put all that in my head. What if. What if with the fifth. But what if. What if it's a normal. What if we go a normal year? You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing. I'm not wanting to sound like I'm rooting for his downfall. I want him to win us the ship. Trust me. Get him some more bags.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, I know what it is.

[Debo]

We win the championship, everybody wins.

[Joe]

So used to being let down, you don't want to put that hope in your head. Joe, I understand. I understand the mentality. I used to be. I used to be a Browns fan, but I matured.

[Debo]

What would you do if he brought us to the AFC championship game? And then we score 40, he puts up 450 yards and we lose. Are you bringing him back?

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause I'm just. You ain't even let me finish my scenario.

[Debo]

Okay, what's the rest of the scenario?

[Joe]

Okay. Cause he finished that season with 4,700 yards. All right? He had 43 touchdowns, four picks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And he was just short of the MVP of the league, but they gave him the offensive mvp.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

How many times you giving him, Joe? Because, hey, listen, the bag now around. Around 60.

[Debo]

I'm giving him two years. And now. And now, too, Deshaun knows that he's already got two. He's thinking now, hopefully we're all in the same cahoots. So now you've got 250 from us already, all guaranteed.

[Joe]

How?

[Debo]

I'm giving him a two year, another two and probably another two year. It's gonna be a two year probably.

[Joe]

He said he could get better than that. He said.

[Debo]

He said.

[Joe]

He said he needed three year. He need. He need. He need three year. 135, basically with. With 1, 120 guaranteed.

[Debo]

No.

[Joe]

Then.

[Debo]

Then we just got to start talking to Sean. Guaranteed numbers. We got to be like, bro, come on, man. You gotta. You gotta. You come on. You gotta work with this. We gotta make sure we could keep the talent around you. Now we're trying to have these conversations.

[Joe]

Okay, okay.

[Debo]

Because the bag is secured.

[Joe]

Okay. Okay. I got you. I got you. So you saying, hey, you do that. We. We kept you around, but you ain't had no choice but to keep him around. You ain't doing him no favor. You had to pay him the bag anyway. But you saying you need to give us a player deal.

[Debo]

Debo, after you sign the five year, $250 million that we just finished paying you, you only played A year and a half of the whole deal. Come on, dog. We gave you 150 while you was getting. While you was healing. You know what I'm saying? So talk about team friendly. You already hit us with a 150 that we gave you while you was chilling. So like that.

[Joe]

It's like.

[Debo]

Come on. You scratch my back, I scratch your back. Everything been good. You hear me? You not.

[Joe]

I. I got you out. You know, I'm just.

[Debo]

I'm just taking the low. He could have been. Kept cranking him. He already cranked us. He already hit us for all the dough. He already.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Debo]

Good. 250. I know you at the taxes. That's. You touched 140 liquid M's. Oh, God. Yeah. So. Yeah. So now let's go ahead.

[Joe]

My therapist, too, man. Therapist too, man. He took one of my therapists. Can't nobody even use it no more. He went on ahead and gave him the bag. Yeah, yeah. You don't need no more money, man.

[Debo]

Let's see. No, no, not, not. You don't need no more money. You don't need to go reset with the market. You don't need to go be resetting the market.

[Joe]

Yes, he do. He need to do it for the. He need to do it for the. For. For the players. For the other players come. Yes, reset the market. Tell them give you a. Two years, 65 each year, 130 guaranteed you'll come back for two. That's after you do this year. I just told you that you was gonna do. Or I said you was gonna do, that's when it's gonna get to cracking.

[Debo]

Joe, I gotta get.

[Joe]

Joe. We got Super Chat. Covenant Life back. Joe. We got Covenant Life back. Came back $100. She said welcome. She said, hello, guys. James, you gotta get a good time. You're gonna get a good time out if y' all don't stop this back and forth. Remember you said this logo means something. We are the Stillers. Now we needed. Now we needed to give Country Club Howard a chance. Baby Jesus. Cousin can't and should take. Take his rest. All right. Is that another cheat or the same? That's another one. Oh, my God. Where you been? Coming to life. You trying to catch up. I see. This is another hundred dollars. Oh, my Lord.

[Debo]

Goodness, she missed us. I just. Hold on.

[Joe]

I just. I just hope we don't waste our 12 picks, okay? Country Club needs a chance. He is strong. She's talking. She's talking about Will.

[Debo]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe]

She said, I don't like Hill, who's here, who's healed. She said, we need stability.

[Debo]

Tyreek Hill. Oh, okay.

[Joe]

Okay. Like, that is. We have to work on the O line. We'll get to that. We still got a little bit, you know, that's vital. It ain't that. It ain't as vital as other positions. We got other things that are more important right now than. Than the old line. We had some guys hurt. We got guys coming back. So, you know. And she said, I want my signed jersey from you both. Joe, your son is your twin precious. Oh, and I'm sober.

[Debo]

She says, Covenant Life is. I believe you.

[Joe]

She came back again.

[Debo]

Came back with a vengeance.

[Joe]

No, it's another one. It's another covenant life. $5. She said, Heinz Ward, the league's nightmare. Jerry Rice to Moss and the playmaker. Oh, I forgot about Irving, bro. I like.

[Debo]

Respect. I can't. I'm not taking it out. Yes. Hold up.

[Joe]

And that's. That's a. That's. See, that's what I'm saying. Once you start getting it all the name, you start remembering so much.

[Debo]

It's so much. It's so many receivers that really did their thing, and it's no disrespect to. Not another man to say, who's your favorite? You know what I'm saying? So that's why I like to listen to everybody's hearing their favorite top fives.

[Joe]

Oh, y'. All. You all right? At Mike. Mike. He said, what up, Debo and Joe. While Debo was busy paying his Wi Fi bill, did a good job hosting the Joe Show.

[Debo]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. You know what I'm saying? I do. I had to do my 12 professionals over here, man.

[Joe]

Listen, I had to go ahead. I went on down. I changed job titles. I became a Internet computer type dude, and I did what I had to do.

[Debo]

I'm back up. You got it back up and going, though.

[Joe]

You know what normally works? When something go wrong with computers and it. You know what normally works?

[Debo]

What?

[Joe]

Turn all the power off and flip it back on. That's why I went.

[Debo]

That's why you went dark?

[Joe]

Yes. Okay, My go to is turn all the power off and flip it back on. Because I got routers here or there. And you know what? I turn all the power off to the house, flip it back on. And all of a sudden, I'm the best IT guy in the country, brother. I'm the best IT guy in the Country. All right. At DM Ozone, $5 said, do you watch college players at your position and try to project them to the pros. Question. That's the question. He said, if so, which players in this year's class are you both excited about? So for me personally, I do not actually watch the players until it comes time to that they are actually on our board as possibility for us to be able to get. So I don't look to them because if you start looking at that and you get into college, you will be there for the rest of your life.

[Debo]

Joe I try to start looking at it. I mean when it starts getting towards the college football playoffs, I'm like, normally the best teams got the dudes that are coming out. But I seen when I was watching my man, the cornerback from Indiana, number five, I didn't know who he was and I just like to watch corner play. I watch who plays my position. I'm like up there in manor zone. If he's hitting, if he's jamming, if he's backpedaling, how is he? You know what I'm saying? What is he looking like? Is he comfortable with the ball in the air? So I like to just watch my positions and then I like to see if who I think is good is about to get drafted. So then that's kind of how I go by it.

[Joe]

Okay, so we go go with Max Bruce 2078, donated $5. He said the jets have the second and the 16th pick trade. 16th pick trade what? Trade Nick Herbert a third rounder and a fourth rounder for the number 16th pick. Now we have two first rounders. What do you think of that? Joe?

[Debo]

I. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

[Joe]

I don't like it.

[Debo]

I don't like it.

[Joe]

I feel like, I feel like it's too much upside.

[Debo]

It's too much. It's too much. That's how you don't want to do that. You don't want to leave. Nick Herbic is in homegrown. You don't just start getting rid of homegrowns for no reason. He's a stealer. He should be there. Yeah, he's trying to move up to.

[Joe]

Grab something that you don't know what you're going to get. I mean you see an idea of it in the college game, but the program, the transition for a lot of people, hell, look at the, hey, this the receiver. He up there because he ain't do what they thought he was supposed to do in the first year.

[Boys and Girls Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So I'm not. I don't like that. I don't like that idea. And I don't. I don't see nobody giving you that, to be honest. Like, I'm gonna give you a player. Well, you go get a player in the third and the fourth for 16, they feel like they could get a first and a player for 16 if. If need be. Depending on how bad the person wanted. They got second and 16th pick. Hey, that could be a possibility to get to the 16th, though. Trade them are second at the 21. If dude is there.

[Debo]

I like. Like, I like that way more. Getting those. Getting rid of those picks. We don't know who the hell they are. You know what I'm saying? Those are invisible people that you got to pick. But, like, I know Nick Herbeck. I've seen them before. I know exactly we gonna get on the field. So let's get rid of these invisible picks that are in later rounds that hopefully can make something happen that we can get rid of to then get up into a higher position. So I'd rather get rid of picks than our good legit players that we know.

[Joe]

You know, a Jonathan Hayden, 1378.

[Debo]

Oh, that sound like my. My Jonathan Hayden. If that's Jonathan Hayden, that's my brother.

[Joe]

$5.

[Debo]

Come on, Tan.

[Joe]

He said. He said, y' all boys doing your thing. Keep it up. He said, I'm in the chat.

[Debo]

That's my little brother, man. Love him to death.

[Joe]

He. Oh, man. All right, we got Mikel Randall. He about eight. Eight folk, three donated two dollars. He said, is TJ not the new Debo? Is TJ now. Sorry. Is TJ now the new Debo with Alex and Nick coming up? Nah, I think. I ain't gonna lie. Just the. The possibility of what the trade would look like for Alex, I think they may. That could be a move to open up some room for Herbic.

[Debo]

Yeah, no, for sure. I'm more just. It pains to say. I'm not saying that, like, that's what I want to happen, but just looking at it, you talking about tj. TJ is not going nowhere. I think they might do the Highsmith move before they do that. Like in that chat that he said Herbic. And so I'm like, no, that it may be. It could be Highsmith, because that's money. You know what I'm saying? And not that I want it to happen, but tj. No, said Highsmith, they might want. They might do something with him before, but. And I'm not saying I wanted to happen.

[Joe]

What's the other young, Young backer they.

[Debo]

Got out there from Ohio State?

[Joe]

Sawyer.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Sawyer. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, they got Sawyer. He came back with another one. Same, Same. Same one. He said. He said it's pick. He said his pick going to do TJ like Debo when TJ and Bud came in. Nah, it's. It's a transition. You know, it's just a. A thing of who it is that they, you know, want playing at the time. The order you get, the. The more they're trying to, you know, transition to. To younger players. And I mean, at some point in time, Father time, go catch it with everybody. But I don't see. I don't see TJ being just. Just put out there. It's too much. It's too much paper there for one. Like, it's too much paper there for one. And it's too much of a. I hate to say it, of an upside if you trade off Alex and you can pick up something else. Plus, you got Herbert there. You're seeing what Sawyer can do. And then from there, you know, it's just. You. You can't. You can't. That's the face right there, man.

[Debo]

Brother, TJ not going nowhere, man. He's a baller. He does everything the right way.

[Joe]

Everybody realizes that. Just because his numbers aren't there. His numbers may not be there, but other people are benefiting off of him field because now they're shipping and doubling. They're doing everything they can to say, hey, we not gonna let him be us. But if he does, then, okay, like, you know, like when Woodley and I were playing, it was like, okay, we're not gonna let Devo beat us. And then it was like, oh, man, Woodley can beat us too. So then we started getting a lot of max protecting where you had the, you know, the. The one and two, two man routes, so you gotta cover a little longer. But that also gave us. You got less people out there. It gave us more time to get there. So then you start switching it up. You start giving them something that looked like the outsides is coming, and now you twist on the ins and, you know, it caused a lot of confusion for, you know, especially for offensive lines and quarterbacks when they're trying to, you know, make calls and figure out, you know, what's going on where. Where. Where they want to turn the offense, where they want to turn the offensive line to, and all that other stuff. So, yeah.

[Debo]

I'm with it.

[Joe]

We got One more. We got one more. It looks like Joe, it says, is that OG man's fan 6934 donated $5. It said, can we get Debo and Joe to spend the summer bowl's house, master that defense and come in and coach this Steelers defense to get that seventh grant? Listen, that sounds great, but I feel like McCarthy has already said that's what he's going to do and he is going to get that opportunity. Although if he is going to continue to use the defense he got, it would be a great opportunity, I think, for maybe Mike McCarthy to, you know, ring Dick Le Bow's bell and say, hey, want to just look and measure out, you know, come in, come in the OTAs training camp, whatever it is, let's see how much of this defense actually is the real dig Le bowl fire zone. Because, you know, just want to see. And all I'm saying, I think Coastal bowl would be happy to be a. What do you call it? What do they call it?

[Debo]

Like a. Not. Not an assistant?

[Joe]

No, like. What's the word I'm looking for? A consultant.

[Debo]

Consultant. That's a good one.

[Joe]

Yeah, it would. Wouldn't mind being a consultant. You know, I don't, I don't. But if they didn't, you know, I'm, I'm. I'm going to figure out when I can do that. Sit down with coach. I'm gonna probably have to bribe and be like, hey, coach, man, come on out here, man. We got a little. I got a little vacation set up for you. You come on out, man. We go sit out. We gonna hang out in Arizona and we go play golf, you know, and we go hit 36 holes a day. And then at night I'm go pick your ear and you go tell me everything I need to know about this fire zone defense.

[Debo]

Okay?

[Joe]

That's gonna be the trade off.

[Debo]

Yep, yep, yep. Lee, I like the word liaison.

[Joe]

Liaison, yeah. No question. Look here, man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode. Debo and Joe. I know things got a little hectic in the middle. It got kind of a little mixed up right there. But that is not my fault, but I am the guy that fixed it. I will say that.

[Debo]

You did your thing, Debo.

[Joe]

I did my thing. I'm a. I gotta, I gotta. I got a degree in general studies. I generally know a little bit about everything. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I went on ahead and fixed that. As a professional.

[Debo]

Electrician.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, electricity was good. I actually Joe, Here it is. Joe. I actually had to go in and I. I had to do some plumbing, too, because my toilet. My toilet thing, it was running. You know what I'm saying? I told you, though, I'm down here bad, Josh. Like, listen, only, bruh, I can't pay nobody to come in and do it, bro. So I'm out here. I'm. Same thing. I was working on the toilet before it came, man. Hey, man, I got a cup up under there, man, catching the drip right now, man. I'm down bad in these streets.

[Debo]

Yeah, man, you got. You got.

[Joe]

You.

[Debo]

You a man of many hats. Candyman, electric, everything.

[Joe]

I just. I just. I just change hats, man, just. And just keep it going.

[Debo]

You just fun.

[Joe]

Hey, that's what I do, man. Do what you can do when you can do it, man. You know what I'm saying? I generally know a little bit about everything, you know what I'm saying? I like it. Get it fixed. I'm in general, you know. Hey, we want to thank y' all for joining again, man. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe and download the show. Where you get your podcast, Joe.

[Debo]

Yo, I will see you guys on Friday and let you know. Debo, too. I'm gonna be shooting from a different location. I will be in Cabo.

[Joe]

Oh.

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying? Got a little off trip going on, so. I don't even know Cabo.

[Joe]

I don't. Where's that at?

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Is that in the United States?

[Debo]

Cabo? Is it St. Lucia? St. Lucia?

[Joe]

Where's St. Lucia?

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't, bro.

[Joe]

Where's St. Lucia? Is that like. Is that down by St. Margaret's we gotta Google it. Is that down by St Margaret's Hospital? I.

[Debo]

Look, this the crazy part. I couldn't tell you. I just know it's Cabo. I know it's by the east coast.

[Joe]

Care what it is.

[Debo]

Hey, you close to the west coast.

[Joe]

What?

[Debo]

Up close to the west coast. It got sun, it got beach, it got water, it got golf, it got the homies. We about to go have a good little vibe, man.

[Joe]

Look here, Joe. Hey. And we out.

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[Debo]

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