Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Logan Paul Backs Out, Trent McDuffie GETS PAID, Claressa vs. Rolly

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Part 2

Host: Shannon Sharpe (presented by iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)
Guests: Deebo Samuel, Joe Thomas
Episode Title: Logan Paul Backs Out, Trent McDuffie GETS PAID, Claressa vs. Rolly
Release Date: March 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Deebo Samuel and Joe Thomas return for a second round of sports talk that blends NFL contract news, playful debate, boxing hypotheticals, and a dive into life as former pro athletes. The main themes include Travis Kelce’s contract future, big deals for defensive backs, Clarissa Shields’ challenge to a male boxing champ, Logan Paul’s bout cancellation, and the realities of aging out of elite athletic performance. With humor and trademark real-talk, Deebo and Joe also respond to fan questions about their playing days, negotiating contracts, and what it takes to be a dog owner when you're living life in the fast lane.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Travis Kelce’s Future and “Testing the Market”

Timestamps: 02:42–07:22

• Speculation on Kelce’s Next Move:
  Deebo asserts that Kelce is likely to explore free agency to maximize his value, especially with Patrick Mahomes potentially out for most of the year.
  • “Bull spit. He is going to test the market and he should test the market...He’s going to make sure Kansas City gives him his worth. It’s a business and he ain’t doing no player deal.” — Deebo Samuel (03:00)
• The Taylor Swift Effect:
  “You know who come with me when I go? Taylor Swift… and the Swifties go with me. Hey, boom, here they go. Ticket prices just went hiding giraffe!” — Deebo Samuel (03:46)
• Joe's Perspective:
  Joe is skeptical about Kelce leaving KC, pointing to legacy, comfort, and cities with endorsement opportunities as factors, but still emphasizes a contender is required:
  • “I’m just not seeing Trav going somewhere winning two games because he can make a couple more. A couple more dollars.” — Joe Thomas (07:22)

2. Historic Contract for Trent McDuffie and Cornerback Market

Timestamps: 07:46–14:34

• Trent McDuffie’s Deal:
  Deebo breaks down McDuffie’s four-year, $124M deal with $100M guaranteed, making him the highest-paid corner in NFL history.
• Market Impacts:
  Discussion shifts to where this puts other corners like Joey Porter Jr., setting expectations for upcoming free agency:
  • “The thing is, he's going between the minimum... at 24 at the minimum…27 is gonna be minimal, and we only take it… if it’s fully guaranteed.” — Joe Thomas (08:44–09:07)
• Contract Structure:
  Negotiation strategy dissected: shorter fully-guaranteed deals vs. longer contracts with less guarantee.

3. Can Clarissa Shields Beat Rolly Romero?

Timestamps: 14:34–24:44

• Debating the Matchup:
  Deebo and Joe react to Shields saying she could beat men’s lightweight boxing champ Rolly Romero.
  • “Way taller than him, way longer than him, and got better boxing skills…” — Deebo Samuel (19:14)
    Joe is not convinced: “It's just evolutionary, genetic, biological stuff that is there that you just can't get away from... thicker skulls, thicker jaw structure... It's totally different.” (20:01)
• Respect for Shields, Reality Check:
  Joe emphasizes Shields' elite talent, but draws a hard line at men-vs-women pro fights:
  • “If anyone in the world could, she could, but I don't think she could because he's another, he’s a professional…I just don't know if I want to see it.” — Joe Thomas (22:56)
• Shared Values:
  Both agree shields would wreck ordinary dudes but see pro men as a separate case.

4. Logan Paul Backs Out of Le’Veon Bell Fight

Timestamps: 25:00–27:59

• Logan Paul Withdraws:
  Deebo suggests WWE (Paul’s contract obligations) was a convenient excuse for not wanting to fight Le’Veon Bell, speculating Paul “was scared that this man go put them dick beaters on me.” (26:13)
• Joe Offers Devil’s Advocate:
  Joe grants the benefit of the doubt, suggesting WWE might block boxing for liability, but Deebo maintains "they were scared" (27:52)

5. Mike Tyson’s Uppercut – For $100 Million?

Timestamps: 28:32–30:24

• Would You Take It?
  Deebo: “Mike Tyson in his prime. 100 million. You taking the uppercut from him, bro?” (28:32)
  Joe: “He’s going to shatter my whole... break my jaw... I'm not taking no punch.” (28:55)
  Both agree: money’s not worth lifelong injuries.

6. Play or Fade – NBA Picks

Timestamps: 30:29–32:57

• Joe breaks down a PrizePicks NBA lineup, touting Cleveland players Donovan Mitchell and James Harden. Deebo agrees to “play the thing” rather than fade.

7. Audience Q&A: Returning to the Field, Rivalry Respect, and Life After Football

Timestamps: 37:32–43:16

• Would You Suit Up Again?
  Both say no to any reunion game without at least a year of training:
  • “I am not putting on a uniform... unless I got a good 12 to 15 months of training. Head start.” — Deebo Samuel (38:53)
• Deebo vs. Joe in the Trenches:
  Deebo gives Joe big props as a technician and master of handling bull rushes, but claims he always owned the run game side of their matchups.

8. Dog Ownership, Family, and Fan Life

Timestamps: 45:29–48:58

• Are You a Dog Person?
  Joe shares he gave away dogs to family because he couldn’t provide the care they deserved, prioritizing his kids.
  • “I love a dog so much that I know he needs that tender, loving care. And I just got...I'm moving and shaking. I'm running around.” — Joe Thomas (48:49)
• The conversation devolves into hilarious attacks about responsibility.
• NFL Transactions & Cap Talk:
  Discussion on Chiefs potentially signing Kenneth Walker and how cap management sometimes makes even beloved players expendable.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "When I go, Taylor Swift goes with me... the Swifties go with me... ticket prices just went hiding giraffe!"
  — Deebo Samuel (03:46)

• "I just don't see Travis leaving KC, no matter what the number is. Unless…it's LA. That's a lot more endorsement opportunities."
  — Deebo Samuel (07:02)

• "If anybody in the world could (beat Rolly), she could, but I don’t think she could because…he’s a professional."
  — Joe Thomas (22:56)

• "Mike Tyson in his prime, $100M. You taking the uppercut from him, bro?”
  — Deebo Samuel (28:32)
  "He gonna shatter my hole, break my jaw. I'm not taking no punch."
  — Joe Thomas (28:55)

• “You could. You have, I think, one time... he's just headbutting me, headbutt, headbutt. Like, that's what I'm doing...I'm just getting you set so that you...at some point, you're going to get tired of me hitting you in your head.”
  — Deebo Samuel (42:57)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Travis Kelce Contract Discussion — 02:42–07:22
• Cornerback Market & McDuffie’s Deal — 07:46–14:34
• Claressa Shields vs. Rolly Debate — 14:34–24:44
• Logan Paul/Le’Veon Bell WWE Drama — 25:00–27:59
• Hypotheticals: Tyson’s $100M Punch — 28:32–30:24
• NBA Play-or-Fade Picks — 30:29–32:57
• Q&A: Suiting Up Again/Kid Races/Dog Ownership — 37:32–48:58

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Tone & Style

Real, unscripted, funny banter between two ex-pros who balance strong opinions with playful respect. The conversation blends serious contract insight ("He’s going to make sure Kansas City gives him his worth") with showmanship ("Ticket prices just went hiding giraffe!"), and true locker-room storytelling.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a tour-de-force of candid NFL talk and athlete mindset, but it soars on the chemistry between Deebo and Joe: riffing on player loyalty, big money deals, the delusions of sports media, and the humility that comes after the fame fades. Through their contrasting takes, you’ll find rare lessons on business, brotherhood, skill, aging, and knowing when to let go—whether it’s your jersey, your dog, or that distant dream of surviving Tyson’s punch.

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Coming up next: Tomorrow’s episode promises an in-person appearance from Le’Veon Bell to address the Logan Paul boxing fallout directly.

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End of summary.

Transcript

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[Deebo Samuel]

Speaking of the team that you've all for taking care of you, they say some conflicting reports emerging about Travis Kelce and he's possibly going to be going to test the market. I guess originally it was said that, you know, he was going to be back and that was just basically a given that, you know, he would be there. I think the Athletic reported they expected him to return to Kansas City and then the AP had said if he plays, the only place he's playing is Kansas City and that he won't test the market. Bull spit. Bull spit. He is going to test the market and he should test the market. Hell yeah, test the market. You know why? Because they thinking they about to get this player friendly deal and that is not about to happen. Okay? He's going to make sure Kansas City gives him his worth. It's a business and he ain't doing no player deal. On top of that, you ain't gonna have Patrick Mahomes for most of the year, if not all of the year. Damn right. He gonna test the market. And along with them testing the market, you know who come with me when I go? Taylor Swift.

[Joe Thomas]

Swifties.

[Deebo Samuel]

Taylor Swift go with me and the Swifties go with me. Hey, boom, here they go. Tickets prices just went hiding draft. You know what I mean?

[Joe Thomas]

No, I know what you're saying.

[Deebo Samuel]

They done went hiding giraffe. You know what I'm saying, boy, it's out of there.

[Joe Thomas]

It's out of there. It's out of there.

[Deebo Samuel]

Look what you think, babe?

[Joe Thomas]

I don't. Debo. I don't know though about this one. I don't know. I think he might chill. I think he might chill. I think he's going to stay in Kansas City and the reason why is for two reasons. He may. He might test the market just to see what the value is. And I think Kansas City may match it if he does that and or Travis, he got Patrick Mahomes there. That's his man's bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's his good hurt brother. He's going to be back until late in the season. Yeah, late in the season. Now they don't. If they don't get close to matching that. Do you think that he could possibly go somewhere else? Say they talking. They talking 10, somebody else talking 15, 16.

[Joe Thomas]

I mean with. I don't. I could see Trav chilling. I could see Trav being in a comfortable position where, I don't know, like, depending on who's giving the 15 or 16. I'm not seeing him go to a bad team for more money. Right now, at the end of his career, the money with Trav, he's got a lot of stuff going on, and the dude is up for sure. So with me now, I'm thinking, does he want it? He wants to. I feel like he wants to win. He's not going to want to go out as a loser. He doesn't feel like. I don't think that 4 mil is going to move the needle for him in too many ways. So I'm thinking he's going to try to be for sure on a contender or.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know what? I forgot you right. You're right.

[Joe Thomas]

That, that he got his. He got the whole. He got steakhouses in Kansas City. My man got, like. He got real live things going on. Money's cool.

[Deebo Samuel]

Him. So if Seattle say, we want you at 15 in Kansas City, say, then, see.

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, see, that's what I'm saying. I don't. Right there. Right, Right there.

[Deebo Samuel]

I love when you stutter, Joe, because it's something you don't want to say.

[Joe Thomas]

It's something that's different. Where. Am I talking about me, or am I talking about Trav? Am I talking about. You know what I'm saying? Like, what I think maybe he would do is probably still. I don't know. He probably still stayed. I don't know. That's what I would say. I would think so. I would think so. I don't. I. Yeah, I think with the situation now. How many more years? I don't know how many more years Travis is thinking about playing.

[Deebo Samuel]

What if it's la.

[Joe Thomas]

What if it's the ranch? That's.

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[Joe Thomas]

That's interesting because he likes the golf. They family him, and they got cribs out there in la. So if you say something like that, that makes sense, then you know that's not. That's not a bad move. And lala. I ain't never mad at la Trav that they've been in la. That goes. That goes together. So we will see the choke to death here. I don't. I, I. If I. If you would ask me right now, I think he's gonna play with Kansas City for sure. I don't think he's going nowhere.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I don't think he. I don't think he Leaves Casey. No matter. I mean, I really don't, I ain't gonna lie to you. I just don't see it happen no matter what the, the, the number is. To be honest with you, I think you just got too much there. Unless like you said, it's you go, you go to LA route, that's a lot more, you know, a lot more endorsement opportunities over there.

[Joe Thomas]

No, for sure. He got the man. The man, he got options. I wouldn't mind the thing you said too, the friendly deals, if you get in the, if the bag is bigger somewhere else for sure. But it is a contender definitely. But you wouldn't. I'm just not saying Trap going somewhere winning two games because he can make a couple more. A couple more dollars.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, hell no.

[Joe Thomas]

You know what I'm saying? Being a jacked up situation.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. Because yeah, speaking. Speaking of la, man, we stay out there with the Rams. The Rams done gave that man Trent Duffy four years. 124 million including 100 million guarantee made in the highest paid corner in NFL history.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes Sir.

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[Deebo Samuel]

point nine, $900,000. He got, he makes 31. Sauce gardener at 30.1. You got Derek Sting, he's at 30. Then you got horn 25 and it goes down from there. Ramsey 24. Patrick.

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[Deebo Samuel]

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[Joe Thomas]

Yes sir.

[Deebo Samuel]

Where does put nephew nephew Little peasy. Joy Porter. JOY PORTER jr. Where does put nephew. Where does put nephew at at? Joe?

[Joe Thomas]

Yes, sir. The thing is the, the thing is he's going between the minimum. It's going to be between 24 at the minimum and then no, 27 is

[Deebo Samuel]

gonna be minimal and we only take it only taking 27 if it's fully guaranteed.

[Joe Thomas]

This is, this is the only reason I'm trying to tell you this. This is a free agent, a unrestricted free agent. So he's going to go and get the highest, highest, highest bag possible. So when, that's why, when I was going through the same thing, Revis was getting 16 a year as a free agent. And that's when me, Richard Sherman and Patrick Peterson were going through our negotiations. Pat P. I mean Richard Sherman got 14, me and Pat B. Got 13, five. And the highest was 16 at Darrell Revis because he was just floating around. Free agent, long term deals were just a little bit less than that. Free agent going to go break the market. So when we say that like a nephew thousand percent is going to be between, I say like, like you said over Patrick Satan got 24 a year. You know what I'm saying? JC Horn 25 Stingley at 30 in his new joint. Okay, okay, you're making sense. I'm looking at it like you say 27. 27 to 27 to 30. 27 to 30, that's a good mark. 27 to 30. 27, 27. And we're going. We looking for a four year deal.

[Deebo Samuel]

We looking for a four year.

[Joe Thomas]

Okay, we might even make 108. So you're looking at four for 108.

[Deebo Samuel]

But it's fully guaranteed. Fully guaranteed at 26. Fully. Every, every pen.

[Joe Thomas]

They only gonna four for one hundred and eight.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, he got Jamar Chase twice a year, man. What y' all talking about?

[Joe Thomas]

No, trust me, I'm with him getting the bag. I'm with pz. He's. Because he's done what he had to do. He went out that joint, balled out, getting better every year and he deserves it for show. So we just talking about now in guarantees. What are they looking like? What are guaranteed numbers? I'm rocking. You trying to go, you're trying to get how much of the contract guaranteed. You're trying to get the full thing.

[Deebo Samuel]

If you talking anything around 26 to 27. I need full, I need a full bag.

[Joe Thomas]

So if you're talking about all four. Okay, I hear you.

[Deebo Samuel]

I need all four guaranteed, man. What are you talking about?

[Joe Thomas]

So if you did. So that the 25, that'd be four years, 100 million fully guaranteed. If it was 26, it'd be four years, 104 fully guaranteed.

[Deebo Samuel]

What's wrong with that?

[Joe Thomas]

I'm just, I'm just, I'm just telling, I'm just trying to. That's just a lot of guaranteed and I haven't seen.

[Deebo Samuel]

He's got 100 million guaranteed out of 124.

[Joe Thomas]

108 out of 124.

[Deebo Samuel]

He got, he got, he got 100 million guaranteed out of 124 dot A four year. 124.

[Joe Thomas]

So a week ago. So you saying four years. I, I hear you, I hear you, I hear you, I hear you. I'm just four. So the thing is with the guaranteed money, it's going to be, it's going to cut it off because it's going to be a three year deal with the guarantees. So if young, if little, if lil PZ signed a 3 year, 70, 78 fully guaranteed. Do you know what I'm saying? Like that would be 26 million a year, three years fully guaranteed. The whole deal. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Samuel]

That fourth year, we need four years.

[Joe Thomas]

The basically the Fourth year is just that extra. That's just the year that you put on there. That is good for them.

[Deebo Samuel]

If that's the case, the number. It ain't fully guaranteed no more. We talking 3 year, 100, 100 million.

[Joe Thomas]

That's basically. But that's basically what TJ basically signed. TJ basically signed a 3 for 108 fully guaranteed. Do you know what I'm saying? That last four for 124. That extra at the end, none. That doesn't really matter. You're going to renegotiate or something's going to happen at that. Last year, if TJ would have signed a three year 108 fully guaranteed, then that's where I'm looking at. Pe l peasy doing the same thing at as a three year. You know what I'm saying? 78, $80 million fully guaranteed. Instead of putting it 4 for adding that extra year to make it 106. And then they can do whatever they want at that last year. The.

[Deebo Samuel]

The fully. Fully.

[Joe Thomas]

That's what I'm saying. You might as well just do it. The shorter deal is what it's going to be. Then if they're going to go fully. It's going to be. It'd be a three year for three year for 70 something.

[Deebo Samuel]

We ain't doing no less than four. Y' all already already had my. Had my guy dropped down to the second round. Nah, I feel you.

[Joe Thomas]

30. Because he's trying to get. Trying to get 30, 60, 90, 120. He wants a four for 120.

[Deebo Samuel]

No question.

[Joe Thomas]

For sure.

[Deebo Samuel]

No question. This man had 31. You got two more right there sitting at 30.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm not mad at it. The third. The 30. The 30. That's not. That's that's just. That's that simple math. That's simple math.

[Deebo Samuel]

But one Twinkie. The Twinkie, like button nephew man. Money man. Give him his money, man.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Which I don't want to do. I'm trying to tell y', all. Which I don't want to do is let this man get into this season and then play this season out. And I'm telling you right now, you ain't gonna be able to. You ain't gonna be able to keep me. It could be about 33.

[Joe Thomas]

You right. Because they ain't doing nothing but going up.

[Deebo Samuel]

Ain't doing.

[Joe Thomas]

Ain't doing nothing but going up. So I would say for sure. If my man get that little four. 120. 124 years. 120. He can do the same. Same dealing. Thank you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Thank you, brother.

[Joe Thomas]

No, that's what we. Yeah, we saying. Okay. No, for sure.

[Deebo Samuel]

Let's get it. Look here, man. I don't know how this works, but it'll never happen. But Clarissa Shields believes she can beat Rowley in a fight. She was on Justin LeBoy and she. She said this man.

[Joe Thomas]

Is there a male champion regardless of weight? Yep. That you believe you. Can I be Rollie?

[Deebo Samuel]

He's a world champion. Rollie Ramirez.

[Joe Thomas]

Listen, it's not about. I think Rollie is very unorthodox. He's very strong. Right.

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And the winner is.

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[Amanda Knox]

Thank you so much, iheartradio.

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Thank you to all the other nominees.

[Amanda Knox]

You guys are awesome.

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Watch live next Monday at 8pm Eastern, 5pm Pacific [e-mail] or the Veeps app.

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I'm Clayton eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

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Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The Internet turned on him.

[Deebo Samuel]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Amanda Knox]

But what happened to Clayton? After the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here.

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This case has gone viral.

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[Deebo Samuel]

Way taller than him, way longer than

[Joe Thomas]

him, and got better boxing skills. So how about one of his punches, though? Did you not hear what I said? It's hard for somebody smaller to hurt somebody that's bigger. I walk around at 185.

[Deebo Samuel]

He fights at 140.

[Joe Thomas]

Or is it 47? It's one. He said 140.

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147.

[Joe Thomas]

But I'm just saying though, like when you. And then like with his skill set.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. Yo, what do you think?

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, first. First I want to hear from you. First I want to hear from you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay, I understand she walking around at 185. I understand that she is. He fights at 147.

[Joe Thomas]

Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

Who says he's not walking around 20 pounds heavier.

[Joe Thomas]

That's what I'm saying.

[Deebo Samuel]

Just.

[Joe Thomas]

Right.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's what I'm saying. Like, just. I just. I just don't see it happening, even with the, the weight difference, you know, she says she's taller, but I believe the reach is almost the same, though. Like, they got the same reach. I think I want to say 68. 68 is. Is the reach. And just men in general, like, you generate more power. They saying it's anywhere from like 30 to 40% more power based on a. A pound per pound being the same. As far as, you know, a man of this weight and a woman of this weight. It's a higher, you know, muscle mass. Like, like density. Like the, The. Like, it's. It's just. It's different, dude. Like, it's just evolutionary, genetic, biological stuff that is there that you just can't get away from as a male and a female dude. Like, thicker skulls, like, thicker jaw structure. Like, it's. It's like, it's totally different. I don't think. I don't think she's taking into account all that. She's just looking at her skill and, and I understand you believe in your skill and all that, but, you know, like, dude, a dude hitting you, that's. I don't know. I definitely don't give her a chance of winning. And if it is, it is very

[Joe Thomas]

minute, I would say I do not want to see this fight at all. I think the one thing is Clarissa Shields is one of the baddest women I have ever seen in my life. When I seen her fights, she has hands, she's fighting big, and she's really throwing them. When I first looked, I thought she was like 200, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't know. She's like, I walk around 185 her fighting at 160 something 170. But like, end of the day, I just like men's strength of. It's just different. And her being a professional boxer, that's sweet, but I'm just looking at, like, roll. The end of the day, he's still walking around at 185, 170, you know what I'm saying? That's just. I don't like to see that competition when we're talking about physical men versus women. Was always taught, you don't touch a girl. You don't do that. Just because I was always, like, raised, you're gonna. You bigger and stronger, you know what I'm saying? So, like, you always Are treat women with respect, all of that. So I'm just really, I just think he's. Men and women in physical combat is something that I'm like. I just don't think that it's a good way to go. She's the only person too. She's a woman, she's a professional. She's heavyweight boxer, but it's still like. It's just, still for me, I just don't see women and men doing those hand to hand combat joints like that. And he's a professional boxer also. She's not like. It's just a dude walking off the street that, you know what I'm saying, is 170 pounds. She's going to probably put him to sleep for sure. Rollie is a professional boxer that's taken beatings, taken pounding from other professional boxers too. So I just don't, I don't know if anybody could do it, it would be her. I just do one. I don't know if I want to see it.

[Deebo Samuel]

So you think she could do it?

[Joe Thomas]

No, I, I, I don't think, I don't think she could do it. I don't think she could. And yeah, I think if anybody in the world could, she could, but I don't think that she could because he's another, he's a professional. I think he's, he's just a male professional too. So I don't know.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, he didn't put, he didn't put what, 13, 14 people to sleeping brother? Yes.

[Joe Thomas]

He's not no amateur. He's not doing this for fun either. Both of y', all, Both of yalls hands are registered. Both of y' all not playing.

[Deebo Samuel]

I just, yeah, just. It's just too much.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, I would. Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm not saying I'm not biologically like this is too different that I, that I think she could against him now. Yeah. Like you said, a cat off the street beat the brakes off his ass. You know what I'm saying? Like easy, gracefully, easy work. But you're talking, you know, you're talking about a skilled, a skilled fighter understands you. You know, her skills may be better. They actually, they actually may be better. But it ain't like he's not gonna hit you. Yeah, like you gotta hit a lot in that fight that you just fought.

[Joe Thomas]

She wants smoke though. That fight that she just fought with, that. They were throwing hands.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, bro. I think about standing there throwing hands like that with him, catching them with him.

[Joe Thomas]

All those. Because she was taking them. She was taking them from old Girl, too. Like, that's. I'm like, oh, my God, this joint looks crazy. I don't know.

[Deebo Samuel]

Like, nah, I can't. Nah, man, That's. This.

[Joe Thomas]

This. And you know how that gives. Next thing you know, look, she started bleeding in there. And the leaking, it's gonna be looking crazy. He's boxing her up, like.

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[Joe Thomas]

Hitting. I'm like, this. Oh, my God. Somebody like, you know, it just optics for me, too. Stop hitting her. You know what I'm saying? Like, she's. Wow, she's taking them. She's eating them, Jones.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't think she's gonna eat, too. Have you ever seen this dude hit these people, man? Yeah, he ain't taking too many of those, man.

[Joe Thomas]

Here we go. And.

[Deebo Samuel]

And your boy over there, Logan Paul. Yeah. He said he can't fight. He can't. He said he can't fight after WWE allegedly prevented him from. From doing it. What do you think, John? You think they actually prevent me from doing it?

[Joe Thomas]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he wanted to fight Le'Veon because he said it in his first post when they. When somebody says something, you take him. What he said, he said, and you. You can fight, and you're not playing the league, and I don't want to fight with you. So I think.

[Deebo Samuel]

Thank. You, Joe. You got that. You got that whack bass, Internet, it's. It's freezing up out on you again. So. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Oh, Got this big house. You got stuff everywhere. Your Internet. Trash.

[Joe Thomas]

See?

[Deebo Samuel]

Trash, Joe. Trash. Look here, man. This is. This. This is what I think happened. I know, like you said, he want that. He ain't want that with El Bell, man. He seen them hands. He seen my dude's hands, man. He was like, I want something untrained. I ain't never did this before.

[Joe Thomas]

He can.

[Deebo Samuel]

He a fighter. He can fight. I can't have that. I can't do that. And then you know what he did? He went on here and he said, let me call WWE so they can get me out of this, because I'm scared that this man go put them dick beaters on me. You know what I'm saying? He said, I can't. I can't have that. He said, so, boss, I'm gonna call you. Y' all video it. So it's on record that I could put it out there that I can't fight because I'm too valuable to the wwe. Yes, because they know he go beat the brakes off of your ass. And that is why I believe he went and did that. Like, how many people actually have a call ready and set up, ready to go, just film you so you can get this reason excuse out in the air?

[Joe Thomas]

He probably just made. Look, I'm gonna go devil's advocate because I don't think he. I don't know if he was scared, but to prove why he couldn't be on it is maybe why he did the call. I'd like you. I like Le'Veon, but I'm just gonna say it could be. It could be legit because he is the wwe. He does have a contract. It could be like, look, they looked and probably said, oh, no, I don't want.

[Deebo Samuel]

They were scared. They said, I don't want you fighting him.

[Joe Thomas]

Wwe. WWE could be scared.

[Deebo Samuel]

They was like, that's a man. No, he.

[Joe Thomas]

He.

[Deebo Samuel]

He go whoop on you. He gonna whoop on you. We can't have you over there now.

[Joe Thomas]

You can't wrestle. He look focused.

[Deebo Samuel]

He didn't hit you so hard. He don't. He done went and did your job like Joshua did your brother.

[Joe Thomas]

That's crazy. His brother went in that. His brother ain't scared of nothing. I tell you that.

[Deebo Samuel]

I am not letting. I'm not letting my boxer hit me, bro. No, I'm not. Hey, I got. I got. I got a question for you.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Mike Tyson in his prime. 100 million. You taking the uppercut from me, bro.

[Joe Thomas]

That's the. The part is you just saying. I'm walking in that joint like, chin out.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, Uppercut, you here and just by. He's going all back.

[Joe Thomas]

It's going. He's going to shatter my hole, break my jaw.

[Deebo Samuel]

So I'm not taking no punch. I ain't taking no.

[Joe Thomas]

Not doing. That's what I'm saying, everybody. You're doing it. You're having to worry about your host. You're gonna be wired shut, wire shut. So you're gonna just take that not to Talk. I get 100 Mortal Kombat ever again.

[Deebo Samuel]

Think about Mortal Kombat. Hey, when he pull your head off like that, bro, that uppercut liable. And you victim weight that uppercut liar to pull your hole to pop that whole. You know what I'm saying? Neck ain't strong. You got.

[Joe Thomas]

You ain't got no muscle, man. I. You don't heard. You heard the tackle. Talk about when I come around the corner, I be hitting Debo. I'm not just walking around. I don't know, just look like this probably knock some loose. You talking about out here playing with me like, I don't, like,

[Deebo Samuel]

really put

[Joe Thomas]

my whole body into.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's what I'm saying. It's your chin. Your chin and neck. Taking all that, Joe. That ain't gonna be good for you, Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm not letting Mike Tyson uppercut me. Are you letting him uppercut you?

[Deebo Samuel]

Hell, no. My son said, hey, I'm just gonna eat it. I said, no, you're not. You gonna die trying.

[Joe Thomas]

Your son gonna be eating.

[Deebo Samuel]

I said, you're gonna die trying to take an uppercut for Mike Tyson.

[Joe Thomas]

They were eating through a straw.

[Deebo Samuel]

Like, oh, no, it's. No way, dude. I'm not taking that. Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

Yo, straight soup. Do you want to have soup for the rest of your life, son?

[Deebo Samuel]

Done.

[Joe Thomas]

Yogurt.

[Deebo Samuel]

Done.

[Joe Thomas]

Done.

[Deebo Samuel]

So, man, Joe, what's up? You know what time it is, man?

[Joe Thomas]

Yes, sir.

[Deebo Samuel]

It's time for play of fade, presented by prize. All right, Joe. Yeah, work, man. You don't cooked up this lineup right here, baby.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

So what we gonna do? I've decided I'm gonna choose to play a fade this thing right here.

[Joe Thomas]

Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

On you.

[Joe Thomas]

Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

All right, now you go ahead. You run with it, baby.

[Joe Thomas]

So that's why, first and foremost, cle. You know, I rock with the land.

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[Joe Thomas]

Donovan Mitchell is always in his duffel. Always in his duffel. And they're going against Philly. Okay, So I like Donovan over 26. James Harden, New addition. Welcome back to the crib. And he's been hooping ever since he's been with the Cavs. I like him over 20 and a half points. Those two. Cooking, cooking, cooking. Uh, I'm a fan of Uber, but I'm liking my. My people. We're going to strap him up a little bit. He's going to be under 17 and a half.

[iHeart Podcast Announcer]

16.

[Joe Thomas]

He might get 15 points. It's going to be a good, good day, but not. Not good enough. I'm in my basketball bag, though, guys. I'm just letting y' all know this is going to hit. Then we got Shay Gildrich Alexander, 24 and a half. Shay wakes up with 25. She wakes up out of the bed with 25. That's nothing but done. And then Jalen Brunson against LA, against the clip. He is. He shoots at least 25 shots a game, so there's no chance that he's not going to hit 25. He is a bucket for them. He's their main go to scorer. He's going to drop 25. This one right here is an obvious, obvious, obvious play if you want to make the 20 for the 260 because. Yeah, what you think, Debo?

[Deebo Samuel]

This is what I'm gonna do for you, Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

What you gonna do?

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm gonna play the thing, which I ain't gonna go against my boy.

[Joe Thomas]

I know you. Know you because you smart.

[Deebo Samuel]

Look here, bro, make sure y' all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get 50,000 lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. That code now, Debo Joe, they get 50 in lineup.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes, sir.

[Deebo Samuel]

After your first five lineups. I had.

[Joe Thomas]

I had to get in my basketball duffel bag. My bad.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look, we're gonna start off with the super chats that we missed from yesterday's. Sorry, from Friday. Was it Friday? Yes, from the super chats that we missed from. Hold up.

[Joe Thomas]

Hey, what's up?

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, L. Bell tomorrow, hit me up. Yeah, he coming tomorrow. We're gonna see.

[Joe Thomas]

Perfect.

[Deebo Samuel]

We're gonna see what really happened. We go, we go talk to El Bell personally.

[Joe Thomas]

Perfect.

[Deebo Samuel]

See what happened. We're gonna have him right here tomorrow. Top. Top of the show.

[Amanda Knox]

Oh, could this vintage store be any cuter? Right? And the best part, they accept Discover. Except Discover in a little place like this? I don't think so, Jennifer. Oh, yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Huh?

[Amanda Knox]

Discover's accepted where I like to shop. Come on, baby, get with the time.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right.

[Amanda Knox]

So we shouldn't get the parachute pants. These are making a comeback, I think.

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[Deebo Samuel]

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[iHeart Podcast Announcer]

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[Joe Thomas]

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[Amanda Knox]

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[Amanda Knox]

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[Deebo Samuel]

I'm Clayton eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Amanda Knox]

Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The Internet turned on him.

[Deebo Samuel]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Amanda Knox]

But what happened to Clayton? After the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here.

[Deebo Samuel]

This case has gone viral.

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[Amanda Knox]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Please.

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[Amanda Knox]

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[Joe Thomas]

Love it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Let's go. We're gonna get to the super chats that we missed from yes, the covenant Life is right here. Five dollars, she says. I hate to say this. I believe the Browns will get the weapons needed and be contenders for 20, 26. Now let me go throw up. Why would they ain't gonna get nothing that they need. They ain't even got an offensive line.

[Joe Thomas]

He's already started signing off his alignment. Don't even trip. Coveted. Life is hip. She's smart. She know great. Call Covenant. We letting this. No, look, look, just chill. No, it's gonna start happening. You're gonna see.

[Deebo Samuel]

You got covenant life again. $20, she said. Debo and Joe, if there were a reunion game to play, not flat, would you suit up? And what team would you like to go up against? I would love to see Troy and you on the same field against the Rat. The Rat Birds. The Ravens. She called it the Rattans Ravens. It's the Rat Birds. What a game. Joe, I'm gonna tell her the truth. I am not putting on a uniform or a suit unless I got a good 12 to 15 months of training. Head start. I need not even flag all my people. Not flash. She said a real game, not flag.

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, hell no. Coveted. You're trying to. Trying to get people hurt out there.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, man, I'm. Tear something up off the.

[Joe Thomas]

You know how many hamstrings and everything will be blown out there. Dudes just can't just come off the couch thinking it's sweet. Get up to full speed. When is the last time a regular person just get up to full speed? You know what I'm saying? You don't do that, you'll. You'll pull something.

[Deebo Samuel]

So I ain't going to lie to you, brother. I can't even. I can't even remember the last time I competitively full out, had to try and sprint to beat somebody. Like I do. I do that. You know, do the. Do the 75. The stride.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know. Nah, I ain't got digging.

[Joe Thomas]

I just raised my kids and now they still. Not that. They still not old enough yet. So they still 7 and 9, so I could still get. I don't even got to really get up to get up to the speed yet.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right.

[Joe Thomas]

So I'm still. I'm racing them from the bus and then I'll know probably when my boy, he's 9. I say when he get about 15, 16, then I get about 40. Then that might be when we start getting a little closer.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm gonna tell you right now,

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[Deebo Samuel]

ain't racing my kids no more. Even though.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, they get you out the way right now. You'll blow a hamstring. Do you think you could beat himself? No, you can't. And if you think. If you're thinking that hard, you're gonna blow it. You gonna blow a hand?

[Deebo Samuel]

Me, I'm willing. I'm willing. I'm willing to go down. I'm willing to go down as long as you give me the time to train, Joe. Give me. I got. I got. I gotta get all my people back in line, Joe. I'm gonna have to spend about 250, $350,000.

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, man. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. It's not worth it.

[Deebo Samuel]

I gotta win, Joe. I gotta win, Joe.

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[Joe Thomas]

Okay, you better come in. That bionic legs and all. 350. 350 is crazy.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, man, I'm telling you, I'm gonna have to do something, man. Coming to life is $50. She said Debo, please explain. Explain your matchups with Joe Thomas. My husband tried to offer me a necklace for your jersey. I told him I would purchase one. He's pouting like a baby. Even my teddy bear named Troy that has a 43 onesie is. Is tripping. Thank you. The matchups with Joe. Joe Thomas. Joe was a very. He was very technical. He had good feet, and he was able to withstand a bull rush. So that was the. The big thing with Joe is he had good feet and he was able to withstand a bull rush. So that's why it was, you know, it was difficult to. To get sacks on him when, you know, he was. When he was. When he was actually, you know, in his prime and doing the things that he did. I think I only, man, maybe. What time. What did he come in? 2006. 2007.

[Joe Thomas]

Six. Six or seven? Yeah, yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Six or seven. Six or seven. Yeah. So, yeah, that's. That's what made him difficult. But other than the past game, that was it. Like, run game. I ain't really worried about nobody on the run blocking. Like, that's what I do. Like, ain't no running this way. Ain't no coming around here. All that other stuff, like, y' all take that over there. Y' all used to say, hey, man, y' all take that over there to Woodley, man. Y' all go run over there. Ain't nothing happening over here. I love it.

[Joe Thomas]

I love, though, you gave my man Joe tease that respect, the bull rush.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, no question, dude. Dude, I would literally. I would literally, I would bull rush this dude for like, a whole half or three quarters, bro. And just bull rush, bull rush, bull rush. And hoping that he go set heavy. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Like, so what I would do is I had. I had. I had.

[Joe Thomas]

Trying to set him up.

[Deebo Samuel]

I had a bull rush and I had a bull rush that looked. It looked like I was go bull rush, but I wouldn't bull and I would slap. Grab your arm and hook around.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

It was the same move on the same step. So if a guy. After that first bull rush, he would. The next time he would set heavy and hard, I'd be like, okay, I got him. Joe wouldn't set heavy and hard that often. So that's why it was hard.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah. Because he was able to win that bull rush.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right. He was able to whip right. Without having to set heavy and hard.

[Joe Thomas]

Come on.

[Deebo Samuel]

So when you get a guy like that, like, I'm just like. I mean, you could. You have, I think, one time where he's talking about it in a thing and he's like. He's just, you know, he's just headbutting me. Head, button, head. Like, that's what I'm doing. I'm just getting you set so that you. At some point, you're going to get tired of me hitting you in your head. Yeah. Boom. You're gonna be like, oh, let me stop. As soon as they do that, I'm.

[Joe Thomas]

That's. That. You sound like that, Marshall. And they keep hitting him in the face over and over, over again. I'm like, you try. That's a will thing, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

You keep hitting. No question.

[Joe Thomas]

Keeping the man in his face repeatedly. He's gonna eventually start folding and start doing different things, and that's when you setting them up the whole time. But. Yep. That's wild.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, yeah, for sure, man. Like, that's just. That's just. That's just what it is, brother. We got another one. We got American Assassin 001, $10. He said, what do you guys think about going out and signing Tyler Boyd? He is a Pittsburgh native and played college for the Pitt Panthers. What do you think of that? What.

[Joe Thomas]

What year is it for Tyler?

[Deebo Samuel]

School, man.

[Joe Thomas]

That's been in the lead. Let me check. How long you been T31. I'm not. I'm not mad at it. I like.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm trying. I like him, but I just. I'm trying to get us younger. Like, we're.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm with you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, we're. We're at that point where I think

[Joe Thomas]

we need to get younger, but not for enough for us.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, for sure. Covenant life back. $10 she said. I just broke out in highs here and Joe talk about the Browns. Just when I think it's all well, shake my head. Devo is hell Debo as hell today. I'm weak. So the Internet don't even want to hear about the pound puppies. Puppy pound. Sorry, puppy pound.

[Joe Thomas]

Imma let cover. They covered. I'm let you slide. They do. It's all good. My Internet. My Internet went out. It zapped out for a second.

[Deebo Samuel]

I mean it's just like.

[Joe Thomas]

It sure did.

[Deebo Samuel]

Like the team used to pay for it. They just zap out like things seem to be going like well and all of a sudden they just zap out.

[Joe Thomas]

Coveted life. No, she said earlier exactly what she felt. Oh, it makes me sick to my stomach. The Browns are going to be so good this year and now she want to come back and say that. So you already. I'm believing the first one covered it and you just. You just now.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, I'm gonna come back with another covenant. Came back with another one. $10 she said Joe's necklace is blocking his connection. Devo, where your dogs? We need to. She said we need. We need. Look and see. Joe, Peter really had a problem with you. Are you a dog person? Be careful with that, with your response. Who is Joe, Peter? Oh, you Joe. Yeah, I'm a dog person.

[Joe Thomas]

You a dog person? Oh, yeah, I'm. I had dogs when I was a kid.

[Deebo Samuel]

You're not a dog.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm not a dog. I'm not. I'm not the craziest dog. I'm not. I'm. I don't not like dogs. If people have dogs, I'm all for it. You're scared of dogs though, right now I'm not. Yes, I got chased by dogs. I got bit by a dog, so I definitely have.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, I got chased by dogs. I got bit by a dog. That don't make me dislike all dogs.

[Joe Thomas]

Why do you keep saying that I dislike dogs? I don't say that I dislike them.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, you like. You like, you know, mutts.

[Joe Thomas]

No, I'm just saying like because you don't wanna.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't like those dogs. D A W G. I love dogs so much.

[Joe Thomas]

I love dogs so much that I don't have enough time to give it the care that the dog deserves. I got these children that I'm trying to handle. I'm raising the kids can take care of them. The kids ain't doing nothing. When I got the dogs, I was walking the dogs. I was feeding the dogs. And they want to talk about. They wanted.

[Deebo Samuel]

You got rid of the dogs.

[Joe Thomas]

I see. There you go again. I put. I got the dogs and I gave them to my brother to a better Joe.

[Deebo Samuel]

Answer the question, Lord. Did you get rid of the dogs?

[Joe Thomas]

Yes, I did get rid of the dogs, but to a good family. Not just anywhere. A good family.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh. Just because you didn't throw them out in the middle of the highway in a trash bag, you. You feel like you're justified? You feeling justified? Huh? I gave them to a good family. I just wasn't responsible enough and man enough to take care of little puppies that needed me.

[Joe Thomas]

All right. All I could tell you is this. I just. I. You can't. People just mad at me because I. Because if I. Because I'm. If you have a dog, guess what?

[Deebo Samuel]

I love you.

[Joe Thomas]

And I love you. Hopefully, I love your dog. Hopefully, it's training. Don't come over here and try to bite me. You got cool dog. What's up, dog? You good? Boom. All right. I come pet your dog.

[Deebo Samuel]

Whoa.

[Joe Thomas]

If you don't want me to pet your dog, won't pet your dog. Is the dog petable dog? I do it, but be mad at me because I ain't. I'm not just walking around feeding and taking care. Like, I'm just. I love a dog so much that I know he needs that tender, loving career. And I just got. I'm moving and shaking. I'm running around.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's crazy.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm trying to do Deebo and Joe dog right here, right now.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. You training. Dogs need training like children.

[Joe Thomas]

I already got two kids.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh. Oh.

[Joe Thomas]

And I'm training and I'm loving my.

[Deebo Samuel]

You love the dog so much, you couldn't have them. But not the kids.

[Joe Thomas]

I gotta have my kids. Yes, yes. My children. My children. Am I messed up to say you

[Deebo Samuel]

love the dogs, but you just couldn't do it.

[Joe Thomas]

The world's so crazy, huh, that you can't love your children more than dogs?

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm just saying, you said you love the dog so much, you couldn't. You know, you just. I. I know it like Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

They didn't come from. They didn't come from my wife. They did not come from my wife. That is not my seed.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh. So I got. I got. I got. I gotta go. I gotta. I gotta go tell Sarah that you. She wanted. She needs a dog. Oh. I go. I. Yeah. I'm a single dog over there.

[Joe Thomas]

Did this really just happen? Did the chiefs just get Kenneth Gainwell? Because if they did. If they did. That's. That's. That's how you make moves.

[Deebo Samuel]

What they giving. They got Kenneth Walker, brother.

[Joe Thomas]

That's what I'm saying. Kenneth Walker the running back.

[Deebo Samuel]

I thought you said game world.

[Joe Thomas]

My bad, my bad. Chiefs got Kenneth Walker. That's fire. That's what team. You know what Chief's doing. What they.

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[Joe Thomas]

All they do is take time.

[Deebo Samuel]

All right, now come back. Travis go. Come back. He gonna come back.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes, Travis gonna come back because he like this. Oh, my team wants to win. They're going to get people like game with. I mean, like. Like a Walker.

[Deebo Samuel]

Walker. Yeah. You keep saying game.

[Joe Thomas]

Well, I love gain. Well, his game.

[Deebo Samuel]

You try to. Yeah, you trying to. You trying to. You trying to throw him away and give him away?

[Joe Thomas]

I'm not throwing him away. I'm trying to put him on a great team. I was trying to put him in a great situation.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, what I'm trying to do is get him back. Hope don't nobody can be. And we could get him back his selfish desires around here. Joe,

[Joe Thomas]

you funny. You funny. You don't even. You. Yeah, I gotta remember that. I try to stay as. I try to stay objective and give it.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm just telling you, I. I can see it from both sides. You know what I'm saying? I want him to go get that bag. The brother want me won't even want him to go get that bag. Distiller fan want me to go ahead and make sure he stay here. And see, that's the problem with a fan and a brother. A fan only want what's good for the team. They don't care about the actual brother.

[Joe Thomas]

No. Because he's a piece of their team. They're all puzzle pieces. All puzzle pieces replaced. A little dollar signs like, hold on, salary cap. Get him out of here.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, he's hitting the cap. Get him.

[Joe Thomas]

What's that boy number? Get him out of here. How much we save? 13. Get him out of here. Get him up out of here. Come on. Some space of the cap. That's the man. That mug you had dinner with the other day. Bump that. Love that cap space. Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, look here, brother man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download the show. We'll be right back here tomorrow, top of the show with Le'Veon Bear. We're gonna find out what the really real was. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

What I'm saying, yo, we'll be here tomorrow. Catch the same time, same place with El Bell. Let's get it we out.

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