Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Mendoza vs. Shedeur + NFL Combine REACTION, Sonny Styles is LEGIT

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe - Part 2

Episode Theme:
Mendoza vs. Shedeur + NFL Combine Reaction, Sonny Styles is LEGIT
Podcast Date: February 27, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe | Guests: Deebo & Joe
(This summary focuses on the Debo and Joe Show segment, skipping unrelated podcast ads and segments.)

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Episode Overview

In this high-energy episode, Deebo and Joe dive into the current buzz surrounding the NFL draft's quarterback class, particularly debating Shedeur Sanders’ versus Mendoza’s draft prospects. They deliver raw, authentic takes on draft scouting, the NFL Combine, Sonny Styles’ outstanding athletic performance, and offer candid stories from their own Combine experiences. The show also features interaction with live audience questions, touching on topics from shoe endorsements to franchise facilities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shedeur Sanders vs. Mendoza: Who’s the Better Prospect?

[04:43–09:32]

• Joe & Debo react to reports suggesting some analysts grade Shedeur Sanders higher than any QB in the 2026 draft class, despite Mendoza’s surge in hype.
• Joe argues Shedeur’s drop is more about off-field “bravado” and how he “rubs people the wrong way,” not performance:

  "He didn’t diamond chain himself to 4,100 yards… All the passes that he did were actually amazing." (Joe, 06:25)

• Both agree: The quarterback class is relatively weak, and teams are overvaluing clean-cut perceptions over on-field talent.
• Quote:

  "You just play the tape. This dude moves around in the pocket, he’s throwing accurate passes… He was supposed to go number one or two in last year’s draft." (Joe, 08:17)

• Debo admits, “I can’t say nothing against it, dude.” (09:32)

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2. Cleveland Browns Future – Trades, Watson, and Wideouts

[09:39–13:16]

• Speculation on Browns’ GM Andrew Berry pursuing big trades (e.g., WRs, the squashed Myles Garrett rumors).
• Joe discusses Deshaun Watson’s looming $45M year:

  "If I’m an owner and you’re paying somebody $45 million… I’m going to give him the first shot." (Joe, 10:45)

• Browns’ needs: offense-heavy draft, especially receivers. Jameis Williams as a dream WR target.
• On backup QB rumors (Malik Willis):

  "We got three quarterbacks right now. We don’t need another." (Joe, 12:34)

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3. Media & Distractions: Do Podcasts Hurt Player Performance?

[14:21–16:20]

• Reacting to the Lions’ DC's comments on players with podcasts:

  "When you’re a young player, you want to keep the main thing the main thing… They’re trying to find reasons not to pay you." (Joe, 15:16)

• Social media/podcast distractions can add unnecessary pressure on young players seeking their second contracts.

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4. Breaking News: Lions’ Arnold Tied to Robbery Headline

[16:22–18:19]

• Real-time reaction to Detroit News front page tying Lions’ Arnold to robbery/abduction.
• Both stress importance of not rushing to judge:

  "That’s crazy to put that up there… you killing this man’s character reputation." (Joe, 17:39)

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5. NFL Combine: Sonny Styles’ Athletic Freakshow

[18:19–20:29]

• Sonny Styles dominates with top scores at the NFL Scouting Combine:
  • 4.64 40-yd dash, 1.56 10-yd split, 43.5" vert, 11’2" broad, at 244 lbs.

  "The man’s a freak… what does his tape look like?" (Joe, 19:19)

• Deebo claims Ohio State loyalty, jokes about his own pro day numbers versus Combine numbers.

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6. Personal Combine Stories & Draft Reflections

[24:10–32:19]

• Joe recounts his disappointing combine due to injury:

  "They treat you like cattle… I ran a 4.52, so sad. Thought I messed up my draft stock." (Joe, 25:32–26:41)

• But ultimately, game film mattered more:

  "The eye in the sky, the tape don’t lie." (Joe, 26:41)

• Joe reflects fondly on being drafted by the Browns, hometown love, and support.
• Playful boast/trash talk as Debo and Joe trade combine “stats” and friendly jabs.

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7. Coaches Caught Sleeping at the Combine

[32:46–36:53]

• Reaction to viral footage of Lions DC Aaron Glenn appearing to sleep:

  "You can’t do that. You cannot close your eyes in front of them cameras when you are 3 and 14." (Debo, 33:36)

• Laughter about coaches’ exhaustion, advice to “keep some ammonia” to stay awake, and jokes about camera angles at the Combine.

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8. How Much Does the Combine Actually Matter?

[36:33–38:33]

• Consensus: Combine is more about confirming tape, not replacing it.

  "They shouldn’t take it as serious… the tape don’t lie." (Joe, 36:33)

• Discussion of Eric Berry being top defensive back prospect in their class, and Joe being drafted by Cleveland.

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9. Live Q&A: Super Chats (Brand Deals, Franchise Facilities, and More)

[48:43–57:13]

• Joe describes getting signed to the Jordan Brand:

  “That Jordan plug was crazy... only 20 of us in the league.” (Joe, 49:23)

• Debo says he’d push his sons to play in the NFL for any team, not just the Steelers.
• Steelers’ facility gripes: sharing with college, limited space for players, big difference from “Ritz Carlton” teams.
• Addressing rumors about specific quarterbacks (Will Howard, Ty Simpson) and thoughts on Aaron Rodgers’ hypothetical veteran presence.
• Debate on whether young QBs would get a fair chance if a vet like Rodgers joins the team.

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10. Notable Quotes & Banter

• On combine stress:

  "I didn’t watch SportsCenter for two months. Me and my dad went to the training room… and we locked in." (Joe, 27:34)

• On personal pride and city love:

  "I’m glad I went to the Browns. The city showed me the craziest love." (Joe, 28:39)

• On the ultimate football goal:

  "You play to win the game, Joe. And you won games. Beautiful thing. You won games. What you play to win, the ultimate goal is the Lombardis." (Debo, 40:00)

• On toughness:

  "To put somebody to sleep, you gotta be willing to be self destruct. I’m willing to go to sleep, Joe." (Debo, 55:16)

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Funniest/Memorable Moments

• Joe and Debo arguing about their (exaggerated) combine numbers & bench press reps (30:01–31:46)
• Roasting each other about house size and convenience during a live audience question (57:52–58:19)
• Debo’s tongue-in-cheek “campaign” for NFLPA Executive Director ("I'm James Harrison...and I approve this message." 32:19)
• Genuine moment: "I love you, bro." — Debo to Joe, after a fan’s warm message (51:28)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 04:43 — QB Draft Class Debate: Shedeur vs. Mendoza
• 09:39 — Cleveland Browns' Trade Rumors & Offseason Moves
• 14:21 — Do Podcasts Distract Young Athletes?
• 16:22 — Breaking: Lions' Arnold Tied to Robbery Story
• 18:19 — Sonny Styles’ Combine Dominance
• 25:02 — Joe’s Combine Experience & Recovery
• 33:02 — Coaches Caught 'Sleepy' at Combine
• 36:33 — Does the Combine Really Matter? (Film vs. Testing)
• 48:43 — Live Q&A: Shoe Deals & Steelers Facilities
• 55:41 — Toughness & Willingness to Go "To Sleep" on a Big Hit

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The episode is spirited, playful, and honest. Joe and Debo combine professional athlete insights with genuine chemistry, poking fun at each other while breaking down serious football topics. Their major message: When it comes to evaluating players—“the tape don’t lie”—personality and media narratives shouldn’t outweigh on-field production. Plus, being a pro means more than hype—real toughness, preparation, and love for the game always come through.

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Transcript

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Hi, I'm Liza Trager. And I'm Kara Klenk. We're comedians and your favorite overly invested SVU watchers on that's Messed up, an SVU podcast. We recap iconic episodes, then talk to the stars who live them, like the legendary Matthew Lillard, who will never forget his time on svu.

[Joe]

I do remember the mustache. I will get a meme of that mustache like every, like, six days.

[Debo]

Somebody be like, what was this?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Each week we cover the crimes, analyze the plot holes and insult the outfits. Benson goes to talk to Kelly to, like, tell her the news, but is wearing a beret not the time for a silly hat? Benson, what are you doing? New episodes drop every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to that's messed up on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Danielle Robaix, host of Bookmarked, the podcast by Reese's Book Club. And this week on Bookmarked, we're basically hosting the ultimate girls night. Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Garner, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, Angari Rice, and author Laura Dave. These are the women behind season two of the Apple TV series. The last thing he told me. We're talking about turning a book into a hit show and what it really takes to bring a story to life. The most important metric for me is do I want to share this book with somebody? That's what creates community and that's the main thesis of our book club and why we started. It was just to connect people together. Listen to the bookmarked by Reese's book Club podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Debo]

Segregation in the day, integration at night.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside.

[Debo]

It was like stepping in another world.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk.

[Joe]

Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power.

[Debo]

They had to crush him.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. They ruler around the drug scene. Was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

[Joe]

A homicide captain saying detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

[Debo]

I wouldn't do it alone.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts when you feel uncomfortable. What do you put on Biggie? You put on Biggie when you feel uncomfortable.

[Joe]

Cause I want to get confident.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

This is DJ Hester Prynne's Music is Therapy, a new podcast from me, a DJ and licensed therapist that asks one simple question. Who do you want to be and what's the song that can take you there? Music changes what you feel and what you feel changes what you do, right? That moment where a song shifts something inside you, that's where transformation starts. This year I'm talking to experts across every area of life, like personal finance icon Gene Chaty, New York Times journalist David Gellis, relationship legend Dan Savage, Hugh human connection teacher Mark Groves, and the man who shaped my ear more than anyone, Questlove. They'll bring the strategies, I'll pair them with the right records and we'll teach you how to use the music to make change stick. This isn't just a podcast. It's unconventional therapy for your entire year. Listen to DJ Hester Prinz. Music is Therapy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Debo]

We gonna go on and see what your Browns is doing. Your Browns over there, they got a CBS reporter. He, he said he has a higher grade on Shador Sanders than anyone in this draft class. Listen to this, bro.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Is there a quarterback in this draft

[Debo]

class better than Shador Sanders in your opinion available?

[Joe]

There is not. There is not in the.

[Debo]

In not even Mendoza. I have a higher grade on Shador than I did did on anybody in this draft class. And remember, people just here, here's the funny thing about this draft class at the quarterback position. April 30, 2025, everyone was saying, you know, Garrett Nuss, Meyer K Club, Nick Carson, Beck, Arch Manning, you know, and A litany of others. And now everybody's speaking Spanish.

[Joe]

Nobody mentioned Mendoza until all those other things that I just named flamed out

[Debo]

facts. What do you think, Joe?

[Joe]

You.

[Debo]

You winning, Joe?

[Joe]

Man, I'm with him. These people, at the end of the day, brother, we. We soon forget Shador was going to go one or two. It was him or Cam Ward. It was pick your poison. Like, I don't know what happens. Like, when I look at it, Shador has seen. He threw for 4,100 yards.

[Debo]

You can see the numbers of Shador versus. They're both senior seasons.

[Joe]

Both senior seasons. And that's not janky. That's real rep. He was doing that, like, in front of real competition. So when we were looking at Shador before he was coming out and everybody was projecting him to go either one or two, it was like, who you like more is it is. It is. You might like Cam Ward's work ethic just because he's not as flashy.

[Debo]

He's.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying? He goes, just. Just. He may. Shador may rub you the wrong way, but his gameplay, when you watch the tape, the way he throws the ball, he did not. That's not fluke. He didn't just like, he didn't. He didn't diamond chain himself to 4,100 yards. You know what I'm saying? He didn't know. He didn't swag himself to 37 touchdowns. Everything he did out there, all the balls he put on time, all the receivers, the way he actually. The way that he. The way that he did the way, man. Yeah, that was actually crazy. All the passes that he did were actually amazing. But, like, it just. It just baffles me how some people can go, so you can get the quarterback. It's just a. It's a feeling thing. It's like, oh, I like this guy Mendoza. He's a. He's a good guy. He's a energy dude. You know, he's going to be rah rah. He's going to be right on time. He's going to not do nothing. He's going to say all the right, not do nothing wrong, say. Say all the right answers to the media. Just very clean cut, laced. But it's football. Chador didn't do anything in my eyes to change what happened from the last game he played with Colorado to the NFL draft. It was just bravado. It's him the way they just didn't like the way that he. He rubs people the wrong way. So that's that's neither here nor there. But I can understand 1000% if you were to look at take the number, take the face off and just watch the film. You don't watch Mendoza and you watch the door. Just go play the tape. You just dang. This dude moves around in the pocket. He's throwing accurate passes and he was supposed to be projected to go number one or number two. And then how the tables can turn. So draft class wise, yes, I can see it. He was supposed to go number one or two in last year's draft. He just fell because people don't like him. Now this dude, he wasn't projected to go in the first round on Mendoza but all those other Beck. All those guys they talked about didn't do well. They just didn't perform on the field where you should be evaluated at. So now he performed better than all of them. So now. Oh yeah. You projected obviously to be first first round overall pick because quarterback is looked at so high. All the teams that skipped over Shador. Shador did not change the person he was the on the field. It's just that off the field stuff that changed it a lot. So this. But he said yes, I think Shedeur is better than Mendoza but I think Mendoza is going to get an opportunity. He's a great kid the same way Ward did. He didn't look like too crazy. I think if Shador would have started the whole season he might have looked better than. He would have looked better than Ward. You know what I'm saying? He had some, he had some times. He had a couple passes where not couple. He needs to take his time in the pocket. I think he steps up like that, keep falling back. That spin that he does hate it. Get rid of that spin. But you're still a rookie. If he would have been able to start the whole season as the number two overall pick have been looking preaching a whole different tone to him going into his second year. So Mendoza zero hate. I hope everything works out successful. He's going to be the number one pick. But same thing could have happened to Chador Ward could have went one, he would have went two. It had been a whole different story just watching his season, watching him go out through this year. So yes, I think Shador is better than Buddy and I don't think no quarterback in this class is better than Shador.

[Debo]

I can't, I can't. I. I ain't gonna lie. I can't say nothing against it, dude.

[Joe]

You know like thank you.

[Debo]

Yeah. I mean it is what it is, man, you feel me? It's not a strong. It's not a strong quarterback class over here, man. It's just not. That's just. And that's just. That's just what it is, brother. I mean, two, but they saying your. Your guy over there, Andrew Barry, I guess analyst Scott Petra. He says that they in line for some big moves, some trades in off season. He says seems there to be more healthy market for wide receivers than you're. When you're talking trades, I would certainly not rule it out. I think Andrew Barry will be active. He's shown a history of being active. What do you think? Do you think he'll be active in there? You think he go get it done? You think he go find something, get something. Because, you know, they had a crazy rumor they was talking about trading Miles. They, they squashed that, though.

[Joe]

You know,

[Debo]

what do you think of this? What do you think of this possibility of him making some trades to, I guess gang. Gang.

[Joe]

Get you.

[Debo]

Get you one of those good receivers, bro.

[Joe]

I think Andrew Berry knows we got a lot of money. I think that he believes. And this is the other part, too, we have, when we talk about the Browns major moves. This is our last year with Deshaun Watson that we have the guaranteed money and then we have. So I think he knows with the quarterback situation, that's the only part that's kind of throwing me off because I don't know if you're an owner and you're paying somebody $45 million, if he's healthy, I'm going to give him the first shot to be our franchise quarterback because this is the end of the $250 million and the healthy Deshaun Watson. Like we still have Shador under a rookie contract. If I'm going to quarterback $45 million, there's going to be a quarterback competition. But I'm. If I'm leaning towards the $45 million guy to see what I can get out of the last year of what I. What I own. Do you know what I'm saying? So I think with that being said, we need. Obviously offensive line is looking crazy because all of our whole line was up wide receivers big time. We need some wide receivers. I love the tight end, I love our running back. Keep the defense intact. But just honestly go heavy, heavy on the offensive side of the ball, heavy on the receivers, heavy on playmakers, even, like you said in free agencies, trying to go get some established wide receivers like my man, like Jameis Wilson. Jameis Wilson from, from from the Lions. Like somebody a deep threat. Real legit. Real legit. Number one. So receivers, line. Cool.

[Debo]

It's also a rumor that they may be looking at Malik Willis. No, not again.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We have. Listen, we're sitting there with Deshaun Watson.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You got Sanders, and we still got Dylan Gabriel. Like, I'm not. Like, we still got. We got three quarterbacks right now. We don't need another quarterback to bring. Why we bring him a Nick Willis. Obviously, we get rid of Dylan Gabriel, but I'm just. No, right now we got desean. We got Shador. We have Dylan Gabriel. We have the room filled for the quarterback for the Browns for the next season. I know that might be the future or whatever, but we can. We can talk about that next year.

[Debo]

Come on, Joe.

[Joe]

No, man. We gonna be able to figure something out. We gotta see. You can't. No, no, no, no. One year at a time.

[Debo]

I got you. I got you. I got you. Because it ain't no need to get Simpson, because you already. Well, we all feel should do better anyway.

[Joe]

Talent. We need receiver talent.

[Debo]

Undeniable talent. You need undeniable talent.

[Joe]

But we know. We got talent. We have talent, but at certain positions.

[Debo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

And don't get rid of. No. Don't get. I heard some crazy stuff. Don't get rid of nobody. Myles Garrett, chill. Denzel Ward, chill. Mm.

[Debo]

Facts. I don't know. Maybe. What do they want? What? Is somebody willing to give up Faux first for Miles?

[Joe]

You know, you say four. Like, I. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And there's no disrespect to Miles, but that's. That's. That's what we need.

[Debo]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. That's all I was saying. You know, brother, you know, I don't know who go.

[Joe]

You know, I'm asking something. I'm asking something crazy, though, like. Yeah, I need all of those. Anna and the James, and I need all of those from the Lions and Jameis Williams.

[Debo]

No, I ain't gonna give you that. They'll give you all that. I don't know. No, they ain't gonna give you all that.

[Joe]

Well, I'm gonna ask. You're gonna have to tell me.

[Debo]

No, they're gonna tell you. No. Speaking of Lions, man. The Lions. DC Calvin Shepard, he said.

[Joe]

Arnold.

[Debo]

He said he need to be quiet and just play. Shepherd said I need him to be quiet and just play. Guys, you know, I don't know if the media. He said, I don't know if the media would like that because I'm sure TA gives them. Gives you guys a lot of things to write on. I guess he got a podcast with Patrick certain. Yeah, Joe, a podcast. Do you think that would prevent a guy, especially in being in his second year, he's a sophomore. He slumped up, I guess, a little bit on that. On that sophomore year, and I think he got hurt, too. But do you think a podcast is really going to affect a player taking the next steps?

[Joe]

So there's 24 hours in the day, so I don't think a player doing a podcast will affect his play. I would definitely highly not recommend it just because that's that extra that you don't really need. When you're a young player, you kind of want to keep the main thing. The main thing. I hate to be like, you're strictly a football player and then you can't. You know what I'm saying? Do your side stuff. But when you're doing your side thing about football and it may be affecting the locker room and especially when you're a young dude, that's just a lot of pressure. I kind of want to stay out of the way. Do your job, keep it going. Because the league, you're trying to get your second contract. Like, you're. Like you're a young dude. You're in your second year in the league. So I would want to make sure like, as much they're trying to find reasons not to pay you. And if you're Patrick Sartain. Patrick sartan making. Making 40, $35 million a year, and he's balling every week. So I know my man TA he probably. He still. I just don't want. I just wouldn't want the negative energy to come at him for doing that.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

What's up?

[Debo]

Joe, listen, none of this might be an issue anyway, bro. The front page of the Detroit News right now says, Lions Arnold tied to robbery and abduction. That's this morning, dude.

[Joe]

Well, I tell you, this they're trying to do.

[Debo]

I hope this is not true.

[Joe]

Yeah, I hope that's not true.

[Debo]

But all we talking about right now ain't go. That ain't gonna much matter.

[Joe]

Are we talking about that he got robbed?

[Debo]

No. Or he is tied to a robbery and abduction of another.

[Joe]

Okay, Joe. Yeah.

[Debo]

Oh, my. So the POD send this to you, buddy. Wow.

[Joe]

So what? But let's just. Yeah. Let's pray that look at it, Joe.

[Debo]

You see it? That's just sent it to you, brother. That's crazy. That's front page, dude, this morning, bro. That's not sports, bro. That's front page.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Debo]

I mean, that's crazy to put that up there and it not be any type of like you killing this man's character reputation.

[Joe]

That's, that's, that's guilty.

[Debo]

But this better have some weight to it, bro. If they don't, he need to go ahead and buddy pseudo breaks up off that. But if it does, oh my goodness, Lord. Lord have mercy. They. They ain't gonna have to worry about him being quiet and, and just playing God. That is not.

[Joe]

That's not. Yeah, man, that's. That's a lot more than what we was expecting to talk about about. My man's the broadcaster.

[Debo]

Wow, that's wild, bruh. Bruh. Speaking of wow, speaking of wild, over there at the draft, they say they got. They got the athlete of the of the decade, the best athlete they've seen out there in the last 20 some years. So Sonny Styles, hey, he done generated a huge buzz over there at the 2026 NFL Scouting Combine with his performances. Dude, this man got a full full 640. Tied for first. He got a 1.56 10 yard split. That's tied for first. 43.5 vert. That's tied for first and 11. Two broad jump. That is first.

[Joe]

Kai.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe. The man. £244. Joe, he's a specimen.

[Joe]

Joe, that man's a freak. Debo, he's a specimen. Man's a freak. What is his.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Hi, I'm Danielle Robe, host of Bookmarked, the podcast by Reese's Book Club. And this week on Bookmarked, we're basically hosting the ultimate girls night. Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Garner, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, Angari Rice, and author Laura Dave. These are the women behind season two of the Apple TV series. The last thing he told me. We're talking about turning a book into a hit show and what it really takes to bring a story to life. The most important metric for me is do I want to share this book with somebody. That's what creates community. And that's the main thesis of our book club and why we started it was just to connect people together. Listen to the Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Liza Traeger. And I'm Kara Klenk. We're comedians and your favorite overly invested SVU watchers on that's Messed up, an SVU podcast. We recap iconic episodes, then talk to the stars who live them. Like the legendary Matthew Lillard, who will never forget his time on svu.

[Joe]

I do remember the mustache.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I will get a p. I will

[Debo]

get a meme of that mustache.

[Joe]

Like every like six days, somebody be like, what was this?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Each week we cover the crimes, analyze the plot holes and insult the outfits. Benson goes to talk to Kelly to like tell her the news, but is wearing a beret not the time for a silly hat? Benson, what are you doing? New episodes drop every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to that's messed up on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. The rumor around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

[Joe]

A homicide captain saying, detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

[Debo]

I wouldn't do it alone.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Debo]

Segregation in the day, integration at night.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside.

[Debo]

It was like stepping in another world.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk.

[Joe]

Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power.

[Debo]

They had to crush him.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Debo]

This.

[Joe]

This. I'm actually. What. What is. What is. What is. What does tape look like?

[Debo]

Oh, state. You know what this tape look like?

[Joe]

I notice his tape look crazy.

[Debo]

Okay, stop playing with me.

[Joe]

Okay, okay.

[Debo]

You know I went to the O D, okay? University of Ohio state.

[Joe]

You out here lying to the people, right?

[Debo]

Listen, okay? The records got burnt up when I was there. The. The. The record building, it got burnt up when I was there. And then I ended up having to go to Kent to finish. But I was there.

[Joe]

I was there Sonny style. All I tell you is this. This. This combine is ridiculous. Stats crazy.

[Debo]

Joe, bro, what was your combine numbers, Joe?

[Joe]

Man, my combine numbers, man. I had a bad combine. I had a bad combine. I don't like.

[Debo]

Yo, what was your numbers, man?

[Joe]

My 40. I had to strain back. Cause I did Joe good in the lord.

[Debo]

Joe, can you give me your numbers? Please do. I gotta get the book out and start writing down for this. Four.

[Joe]

It was a four. Five, two.

[Debo]

Four. Huh?

[Joe]

Four, five, two. That's why I tried to tell you. I need to give you the preference because I ran it with a strain back. But then I ran 4, 3, 7 at my pro day. Cause that's my real 40 time.

[Debo]

That was hand time.

[Joe]

Shut up. So then I did two, 25, 18 times, had about a 35 and a half, and then I did 10, six broad. But let me tell you this. Let me tell you this about the combine.

[Debo]

What you want to tell me, Joe? I feel like something negative about to

[Joe]

come from the combine. They treat you like cattle, okay? They treat you like cattle. They run you up and down. You gotta do the little dog and pony show. You do all the meetings, all the interviews with all the teams. It was very, very stressful, okay? And then when I did my bench, I strained my back, but I'm fast, and I knew I was gonna run 4, 3. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and run regardless. Cause the team like, Joe, you gonna run, you gonna run? I'm like, man, that's what I do. I'm fast. That's what I do. So I run. I go out there, join Debo. I run a 4, 5, 2. So sad. And that kind of messed up my whole head. But when I left the combine, how

[Debo]

did that make you feel?

[Joe]

It made me feel really bad because I thought I messed up my draft stock. And I'm like, end of the day, the eye in the sky, the tape don't lie. I album in the sec. I'm guarding AJ Green and Julio Jones practicing every day versus Percy Hartman. Do y' all think this is fake news of me covering these dudes? Look at the SEC championship. That's me and Julio. Strive for stride, fade ball, one on one, dig rock. I'm on them. You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

So you used your past to help motivate you, make you feel good about your future?

[Joe]

Yes. But I say that. I say that to say I don't like when teams put too much emphasis on combined numbers because they didn't mess up.

[Debo]

Especially when you ran how you ran, knowing that you.

[Joe]

When I ran how I ran, I was stressed. I was sad, pissed.

[Debo]

You think that affected your performance?

[Joe]

I think that made me make sure I locked in. I didn't watch SportsCenter for two months. I didn't watch TV for two months. Me and my dad went to the training room and. And we locked in, and I just trained to train for the pro day. And when I went out there and had the pro day, it was one of the sweetest pro days at Florida's pro day. Me, Tebow, Dunlap, the Pouncey twins, everybody out there. You could. Yeah, that joint was jumping. Mike T. Was out there at joint. Mike T Was like this. Hey, Joe, I ain't gonna lie to you. You going too early. I draft, too. I draft. I'm gonna draft too late for you. I said, ah, my bad. It's all good, Mike T. I might see you in the future, coach. You know what I'm saying? I was talking to folks like that at the pro day, Debo. So that's when I got swagger.

[Debo]

Who didn't take that year?

[Joe]

That's when I got my swagger back. Huh?

[Debo]

You got your. I said, who did Mike take that year?

[Joe]

Y' all took. Y' all took Pouncey at 16, and y'.

[Debo]

All.

[Joe]

And I went seven to the Browns.

[Debo]

You went to the Browns? How did you think that turned out. Who you think had a. Got a better deal on that? How does that make you feel?

[Joe]

You know what? You know. You know what? I'm glad I went to. I'm glad everything worked out for the way it did. Cause I went to the Browns and the city showed me the craziest love, and I grew up in Cleveland. And I will.

[Debo]

You know what? I will say that they are. They are some supportive friends, man.

[Joe]

That city showed me so much love. That's why I love Atlanta way I do. You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

I mean, they stick with y' all no matter how. Trash, man.

[Joe]

And they come back and it's not their fault.

[Debo]

All the different.

[Joe]

All the different churches. I'm walking in there, I'm like this. I'm like this. I'm a. Oh, yeah, you know what? I'm a winner here for show. I'm gonna bring us a championship.

[Debo]

You wanna. You wanna know my.

[Joe]

That's what I thought.

[Debo]

Hey, you wanna. You wanna know my draft numbers? My. My combine numbers? At the. At the combine, Joe. What I ain't getting. Nobody didn't invite me, Joe, because they.

[Joe]

They don't know you. They. They ain't know. They ain't. No.

[Debo]

They. They came and did my pro day, Joe, and they was like, no, we can't invite him. We invite him, we go. Go ahead and put him in a position that's gonna make him look better than what we got here. No, I was running a 435, Joe. I had a 46.5 vert.

[Joe]

You did that on pro. You did that at pro day. That was hand time. That was hand time.

[Debo]

This right here was electronic.

[Joe]

And that was hand timing. You hand timed it.

[Debo]

I was 11 on the brawl.

[Joe]

You didn't run the fourth.

[Debo]

I would have been the shortest and heaviest player to ever do it. You.

[Joe]

That is for show. You the shortest, strongest, heaviest player to do it. That's a fact. But you was not running. 4, 3, 5 electric.

[Debo]

I'd be damn it out there, Joe. Joe, I was running track, Joe. I was. Listen, Joe, I don't. I was running. Listen, Joe. Listen to me.

[Joe]

I'm not listening to you lying to me.

[Debo]

Six and one hundred, Joe. On cinders. I knew you was lying.

[Joe]

You said that.

[Debo]

435 electric.

[Joe]

You get out of here. Get out of here.

[Debo]

I'm done with you, Joe. They were scared to put me in there.

[Joe]

I believe you on that. You the shortest strongest man, and they were scared to put you in there.

[Debo]

They were scared they was like, when all these records broke, or you would

[Joe]

have went first round. No, you win first round.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

They a.

[Debo]

Listen, listen. They ain't want that. They ain't want that. That's what they ain't want. They like. We can't have nobody from K State going at the first pick in the first round.

[Joe]

He done broke the combine sheet, every record.

[Debo]

Done.

[Joe]

What you would have hit on the bench? Honestly, 225 coming out. What you would have hit on the bench?

[Debo]

Oh, at least 40.

[Joe]

At least 40. Okay. I like 40.

[Debo]

Too powerful. They changed rules for me, Joe.

[Joe]

I hit 18. I hit 18.

[Debo]

National Football League say, hey, they hitting too hard out here. They said, them boys hitting too hard. They said, we got to do something about that. You tried to make me the poster boy, Joe.

[Joe]

You was trying to. Yeah, you were.

[Debo]

Cause you were talking about player safety. It wasn't about no player safety. You bones was trying to get 18 games. Back when you did the 2011, y' all had that in the. In the. In the frame for trying to get 18 games then. And then you went and got the 17 games. And after you got the 17 games, guys, pays didn't increase. You said, hey, we know you signed a contract under 16 games, but we're just going to split it into 17 games, extra pay. And they gonna do the same thing to y' all when you go to 18 games, and they're going to split it again because we have. Y' all have no leadership. That's why you need me.

[Joe]

That's what Debo needed to bring up. Bring it around to the NFL. Pennsylvania needs you right now.

[Debo]

Hey, I'm James Harrison. I'm running for executive director of the nflpa, and I improved this message. Let's go, Joe. Hey, Joe. Look here. I don't approve this, though. I don't know what was going on. Before I even get started. I don't know what was going on. But the NFL Network cameras caught Aaron Glenn.

[Joe]

Oh, my gosh.

[Debo]

Look like he might have been catching the net.

[Joe]

Do we have it or not? But

[Debo]

kind of looked like he might have been catching that. He probably can't show it because it's NFL. You know what?

[Joe]

Yeah, don't we do that?

[Debo]

He might have been just resting his eyes, bro.

[Joe]

I'm gonna tell you one thing. That combine, he was up. Oh, he been there. He been there. He. Somebody had to give my dog AJ A Coffee or something or he just need to take a little quick power nap. But I know one thing. He's fully in it. That's a man. And that's a man in exhaustion. That's a man that is fighting for sleep.

[Debo]

He's.

[Joe]

He's sleep deprived. Okay? And that's why I wanted to see. I want a lot, man. I mean, that's a lot. I mean, you had that combine is

[Debo]

how many of them fall asleep, though. Was they just targeting my guy? I mean, did they just target my guy, man?

[Joe]

Yeah, but. Yeah. Yeah.

[Debo]

Hey, listen, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I don't know. Listen, listen. I don't know what you got to do. I don't care how long you've been up, whatever you do, you can't do that. You cannot close your eyes in front of them cameras when you are 3

[Joe]

and 14 or like a long blink, either. You can't even blink long, bro.

[Debo]

That. Hey, it was down. What he should have did.

[Joe]

He should have. He blinked.

[Debo]

No, when he was like this, he should have stayed there because he caught the camera looking at him. And what he should have did was just a quick glance up like this and put his eyes back down like he was looking at something. But when he did the switch over, that kind of. They was like, oh, yeah, we might have got him.

[Joe]

You should have put some food in front of himself and then thought, like, he was praying.

[Debo]

I could have been looking at something, like, right there. Like, I was reading it as it was going on, and I had need to see. So I go ahead, hit the quick glance up, see they looking at me, look back down, and then be like, yep, your.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Or. Or.

[Debo]

Or. Nah, Joe, you can't do that. You can't do that. That far away and make like you looking at the combine, Joe.

[Joe]

Ah, yeah. Dead giveaway.

[Debo]

Hey, hey, you can't do that. Hey, Joe up there watching the combine, like, dude sleep. Yeah. Why they only show him. I know. I'm sure it was another. It was at least two, three of them up there sleeping, doing the same thing.

[Joe]

There's 3,000 cameras in that joint, man. You got the gun. Got to know when to hold him and fold him.

[Debo]

Hey, they locked in on him, though. Why they lock in on him solo, man?

[Joe]

Listen, because I'm. They be. They be jump. They be jumping Sweets at the combine. So, like, if you sitting there, you're exposed, maybe jumping. Sweets camera, bang. There we go. We got the Titans coach in there. Oh, okay. Bam. Bing. Oh, we got the jets coach over there.

[Debo]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that work. You know, I didn't.

[Joe]

Yep, I see. I could Teach you a thing or two about the combine. And I could tell the should have told ag head on the swivel. They always the Netflix.

[Debo]

John, did you think this a big deal or. No deal. No big deal.

[Joe]

I ain't gonna lie to you, Deebo. It's definitely not a good deal. Because like you said, it's optics. It's optics. I don't care how tired you are. Like in meetings, you just can't be sitting there, just bump gone like hold up now. You know what I'm saying? Wake up, stand up. You know what I'm saying? We gotta look. We gotta look locked in. We can't just be looking sleep. You can't look sleepy. You know what I'm saying? You gotta look intensive.

[Debo]

We gotta keep some ammonia.

[Joe]

Gotta keep some ammonia in your pollen jumps pop that thing.

[Debo]

Wow.

[Joe]

Wake up. Cause just know when you stand on

[Debo]

camera doing that, then.

[Joe]

Oh my good. See, that's what. Then you got to think about that.

[Debo]

What's going on? I wanted to make sure I was right and seeing what I was seeing because I was so excited about.

[Joe]

I'm just. I'm just turned up for these 40s.

[Debo]

Love it.

[Joe]

It's just so many 40 yard dashes.

[Debo]

I gotta see how his feet planting and turning. If he. If he's splaying his feet, turning them in. If it's straight, he.

[Joe]

The combine bro. I ain't gonna lie to you. It just. I feel like. It just shouldn't. They shouldn't take it as serious. Not. Not as serious. I'm talking about it's good for the number. Watch the tape. The tape don't lie. But if it's gonna show you. Like what to confirm what you've seen. I'm just saying.

[Debo]

Hey. Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

So you did get better numbers after they did the hand time, right?

[Joe]

Yes. Way better numbers.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Because I'm your number. Really? I'm really. I'm really fast. That's what I'm saying.

[Debo]

I'm just asking you why. I'm just asking you a question. Why are you attacking me? I'm. I want to make sure. I'm stating this factual.

[Joe]

You keep attacking me, Joe.

[Debo]

I'm just making sure I'm stating this factually. So your combine time really didn't hurt you?

[Joe]

It didn't.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

It didn't.

[Debo]

So your tape did the talking?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

That's a good thing.

[Joe]

That is a good thing. They did a good job. Cause I. Yes. Cause I don't lie. It was one DB that was coming out that I Knew we just need to get him off the board. And then it's gonna be your boy, Joe. And that's why I'm a man. I can admit it. That man, you know, Eric Barry.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. Eric Barry. Scary Berry, Tennessee Volunteer. He should have got. He could have got the Heisman. When we was coming out of college, he was so fire at Tennessee. I was rooting. He was, man. He was doing his thing. And I knew one thing. Just let Scary Eric Barry get off. They got picked him at 5 to the Kansas City Chiefs. And then I was back there. Like anybody needs a db. You can call on Jody.

[Debo]

Call on Joe.

[Joe]

Call on Joe.

[Debo]

Call on Joe. And Cleveland called on Joe.

[Joe]

They did, man.

[Debo]

Joe went there and had him a Hall of Fame career. Oh, beautiful thing. Beautiful thing. Never won a playoff game, though. But it was a beautiful hall of Fame career. I love it, Joe.

[Joe]

Well, okay. Yep.

[Debo]

What?

[Joe]

No. Yeah. I appreciate you.

[Debo]

Yep.

[Joe]

I don't even. I'm not even going.

[Debo]

Why you?

[Joe]

Why? Why?

[Debo]

I feel like you. What's the problem, man?

[Joe]

You always gotta say, what is the problem? You always want to say, tell me what's the problem? Because you want to. I don't even want to say what the problem is because you're gonna say, I'm just stating facts. Never won a playoff game. But you know what? It's just. You always want to say a little something, Joe.

[Debo]

I'm not. I don't know why you tripping, bro. You make like I'm doing this. I'm not doing this. I can't do this by myself. You know? Like, you didn't have the team around you that you needed to get it

[Joe]

accomplished a thousand percent. You know that's what I'm saying? Yes. Yes.

[Debo]

And I did. You see, I can't. What you want me to do?

[Joe]

I don't want you to do anything, Debo. I don't want you to do anything. But don't address my playoff record again. I mean, okay, please. That's what I would just ask.

[Debo]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Joe]

I didn't win a playoff game. Debo and Joe show. Debo. Now, we know now that the air is clear.

[Debo]

Could you please stop with that? I do not understand why you get so offend. Like, why? Tell me why. Because the goal of the game, Joe,

[Joe]

is you play to win.

[Debo]

You play to win the game, Joe. And you won games. Yes. You won games. Beautiful thing. You won games. What you play to win, ultimate goal is the Lombardis.

[Joe]

And you got two of them. And I'm happy for you, my co host brother Deebo.

[Debo]

I think you deserve. And I've been, you know what I'm saying? Like I've been thanking the Lord so much for so.

[Joe]

For.

[Debo]

I've been so blessed under.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Debo]

Biggie.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

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[Debo]

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

Segregation in the day, integration at night.

[Joe]

It was like stepping in another world.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Joe]

Charlie was an example.

[Debo]

They had to crush him.

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

Certainly.

[Joe]

It's crazy, Joe.

[Debo]

It's crazy. But, hey, yo, you got that paper, though, you know what I'm saying? Look at your house. My Internet, it don't work. Yep. You know? Yep.

[Joe]

You know what?

[Debo]

I ain't gotta never worry about having myself in Mexico when something go down. I can't afford to go there. I can't afford to go there, Joe.

[Joe]

Ah, okay. I'll take it.

[Debo]

You know, hey, hey. Beautiful thing. But hey, bro, I know we ain't did this in a minute, bro. And there's been a minute moves. But Joe, what we got, you know, at time. It is time for play of fame, presented by Pride. Yo, the combine going on. Joe, that's crazy. We went on ahead. They cooked up a lineup for 40 projections, dude. Okay. And we. And you and I can either choose to play this or fade. Now you got Caleb downs. They are saying less than 445. What do you say?

[Joe]

That's a good number. I think I. I think he could be faster. I'm gonna go fast.

[Debo]

I agree. I agree. I think. I think. I think I'm thinking something like maybe a 443, 442, something like that. Okay.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

That's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. Then you got Zachariah Branch. They saying below. So we're talking about three five.

[Joe]

So he supposed to be a burner.

[Debo]

Less than four, three five. Where you at with that, Joe? Let me give you some inside scoop.

[Joe]

Give me some inside scoop on, bro.

[Debo]

The boy ran a 44 in high school as a senior.

[Joe]

Oh, he ain't.

[Debo]

He ran a 4.4in high high school as a senior. As a senior.

[Joe]

Okay. All right. Better. Let's do it.

[Debo]

I got it. I gotta ride.

[Joe]

Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Debo]

I gotta ride with that. Now, listen, Carson in. In flippity gym. That Carson Beck is that slow. It has to be less at least. I'm thinking four, seven, nine.

[Joe]

Okay, four seven. Yes. I think Austin Becky's athletic enough for show, no question. And over in this quarterback supposed to be running up.

[Debo]

We got, we got, we got. We got Haynes King, the quarterback.

[Joe]

I.

[Debo]

They saying more than a447. What do you think, Joe?

[Joe]

Oh, he's definitely gonna run over a 4, 4 7.

[Debo]

You say he gonna be more so you think he Gonna run a 4 5?

[Joe]

Yeah, he's gonna run 4 5.

[Debo]

So you go play this.

[Joe]

Only one. I'm. I. Only thing I'm hearing you, Jibo, is buddy, when you somebody. He ran a 44 as a senior in high school. I don't. Is that, is that a 435 at the combine Electric?

[Debo]

That was high school, dude. That was like four years ago. You telling me that was at the Under Armour? That was real.

[Joe]

Oh, okay. That was Under Armour.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Okay. Oh, no. Caesar.

[Debo]

Real burner.

[Joe]

Yep. Let's get it then.

[Debo]

So you go play this.

[Joe]

Let's get it. Yep, I'm gonna play this. I'm gonna play this.

[Debo]

You play this, Joe. I'll have to fade it. It.

[Joe]

You gonna fade it?

[Debo]

I gotta fade it. I believe. I believe. Haynes, King, I think he gonna pull out there with a 445. I gotta fade it.

[Joe]

See, you know what? See, I'm gonna have to.

[Debo]

That's why you able to pick and choose. You see what I'm saying?

[Joe]

I'm gonna play it because pick something that you like.

[Debo]

The only one that you don't like. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

My man from Ohio State, if he come out there and run under there for that too, he already top 10.

[Debo]

You ain't list. That's what I'm saying. Pick, choose. That's why you do your picks. How you want to do it, you do it how you want to do it. All you got to do is make sure that you go in there, baby, and you know what to do. Joe, come on. Hey, download.

[Joe]

Download the app.

[Debo]

Download the app, baby. Debo and hey, listen. And once you download the app, use the code Debo and Joe to get 50 in lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. That cold is Debo and Joe to get $50 in lineups after you play your 1st five dollar lineup. Let's go, baby.

[Joe]

Let's go, let's go. So I'm gonna be watching them 40s. I'm gonna watch Caleb down. I'm telling you, he went under that 4, 4, 5. He made himself that he already made himself dough. Cause he did it on film like you're supposed to do. And now he just checking boxes.

[Debo]

I'm telling you, he go put it out there. I'm seeing even if you don't do it, I'm seeing that. I'm seeing fo Fox 443, 442 maybe.

[Joe]

Wanna get to some of these?

[Debo]

Yeah, let's get to some of these super chats, babe.

[Joe]

We got.

[Debo]

Oh, we got a dude back. Makai. What is it, Makai? Randall. Randall. Four, three, ten dollars. He said. Joe, glad you back home. Thankful to see you today. Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes, yes.

[Debo]

Can. Can you tell us how you got signed to the Jordan brand and what it. And was it a good signing? Debo, would you. Would you push for your sons to play for the Steelers? How'd you get signed to the Jordan brand, Joe?

[Joe]

Man, I had a put my PR crew, they ended up reaching out to Jordan because I was trying to get. I was with Nike when I first came out. Jordan was not rocking with me. It was just kind of hard to get in touch with him. So I played my first three years and I'm like, look, my agent couldn't get me in touch with him, so I reached out to Usain Boltz. Agent was like, anybody that can get me with Jordan, please? And she ended up having a relationship, went out to Mexico, met with mj and they let me into the brand. So that was how that worked. It worked out real smooth, and that was a great relationship. Nike. Nike got so many different clients like Nike over the NFL. They just got them not. Not all the players, but majority of them. Jordan, they only probably had like 20 of us in the league, so we were getting the shipments, the different shoes coming in. They was giving us the Nike account, so we got money on there to give to the family. So that Jordan plug was crazy.

[Debo]

Yeah, buddy. I don't know what that's like, bro. You know, I couldn't. I couldn't get no shoe deal, nothing like that. Hey, Shaq, Shaq, Shaq, I need a shoe deal, man. Let me get some of them.

[Joe]

Shaq, bro, you definitely can get a shoe.

[Debo]

Hey, would I push for my sons to play for the Steelers? I would push for my sons to play for anybody in NFL. That would be a blessing. And I would hope they would be far, far greater than I and just destroy anything that I did. And they would say, you know, his daddy used to play too, you know, He. He did all right. That's how I want him talking about me because my sons play so tremendously well, you know.

[Joe]

Oh, for sure. I want to be this man. Your daddy wasn't nothing compared to you, for sure. Hey, that's what good fathers are supposed to want their sons to do.

[Debo]

Yes. Covenant Life back five. Hey, she said, praise God, our Joe is safe. She said, we love you and was praying.

[Joe]

Thank you, James.

[Debo]

Got a little choked up. No, I didn't.

[Joe]

Yeah, you did.

[Debo]

I was. I was that boy.

[Joe]

Hey, man, Debo. Love your boy, man.

[Debo]

I was ready to step in.

[Joe]

I know you do, bro. I know you do.

[Debo]

You ain't gotta.

[Joe]

You ain't gotta tell everybody. I know. I know.

[Debo]

I love you, bro.

[Joe]

I know, bro.

[Debo]

I wouldn't. I wouldn't buy. You know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't go get. I wouldn't gonna choked up, you know,

[Joe]

I had to make some calls, you know. Yeah, for sure. You had to make sure you was all right.

[Debo]

Coming to Life. Back again, $5. She said, how can we be a legendary franchise with poor ratings like that? Who creates these report cars? So basically nothing has changed since four rings. No, it's changed. It's changed a lot. So the big issue is we share a facility. We're distiller share facility with Pittsburgh, but half the facility is shared with the college, and that means half the fields out there are shared with the college. So it's really nowhere to expand right now. Locker rooms have went from, you know, what was used to be 53 players now, what is it, almost 65, 70 players now in there. You know, it's to the point where you actually got, you know, lockers sitting in free space just, you know, because there's no room, nowhere to put them bathrooms, there's nowhere to expand out through. You could try and expand like towards the field, but then you can't do that because you end up losing the field. So. So I. I just really think the Steelers need to be able to get their own facility and it will be able to change, you know, that aspect of it. Yeah, but other than that, it's. It's nothing. Believe me. It's a big change from when I came in my rookie year, my rookie year, Joe. We used to work out on a outside weight room that was on the field. The field used to be a part of. It used to be a baseball field field. So the weight room was planted on

[Joe]

like a practice field.

[Debo]

Yes, the weight room was on hardwood platform, just sat down platform on top of the baseball diamond. You go in the tent outside and you know how hot it is.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

That's how you're working out, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, man.

[Debo]

The locker room metal cage is this big, bro. And there was no AC in there. Used to have to bring an AC and put it in the window. The first year I got there was the first time they actually had central air because they got those buildings. Those buildings were new. Then in 2002, 2001, something like that. Like they didn't have that, that whole locker room area. None of that. They had none of that. None of that stuff was there, bro. It was crazy.

[Joe]

So you right, they are doing better. And we say who's creating their pokers? Ain't it the players?

[Debo]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Yeah, the players are creating the poor guard. So I mean, so they know they've been accurate. Like you see, you see what it is? And I think some and other teams make other teams look bad. Cause when you got teams that look like the Ritz Carlton, then you got teams look like, you know what I'm saying? A little Motel 6 jump. It's just, it's like they're not trying to knock Motel 6, but I'm saying there's different classes, there's reasons why there's five star hotels and there's reasons that there's motels.

[Debo]

So yeah, yeah, we got covenant life back. $20 said Debo. I saw a clip where RC said he would tackle Derrick Henry. Henry was looking at him like it was a joke. I believe RC would want hit one. Hit a quitter his ass. What'd you say? 2008 stillers defense all should receive a go check. Hey, I ain't gonna say he go one hitter quittering, but he damn sure gonna stop him. Yes. 100. Yes. Now if you catch him on that, on that cut and he, he just now getting square. RC Got a full head of stand. Yeah, I think he might, he might. He might get him to drop to a knee, come out a player too.

[Joe]

Depending depending on the angle, depending on the time. Yeah, he's coming with that. Yeah, he's coming with it. He don't care.

[Debo]

Don't care.

[Joe]

Gonna put himself to sleep too.

[Debo]

Hey, no question.

[Joe]

It's gonna be two dudes sleep.

[Debo]

I tell everybody this. To put somebody to sleep, you gotta

[Joe]

be willing to be self destruct. Gotta be willing to go to sleep a thousand percent.

[Debo]

I'm willing to go to sleep, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, no, for sure.

[Debo]

I'm willing to go to sleep, Joe.

[Joe]

I was, bruh. I will put myself to sleep.

[Debo]

I was ready for it. No question.

[Joe]

Not in the bag, but that's you gotta live.

[Debo]

We got Covenant Life back again. Coming like you gonna give anybody else a chance. Coming to life. We appreciate you. $50.

[Joe]

Covenant Life.

[Debo]

She said country club. Will Howard needs a chance. He's a baller. As the road tie fan. Ty Simpson is okay. He really didn't have a great. He really didn't have great targets. But Will Howard is the true. If we're going to do anything, get a veteran like Rogers and keep it moving. Howard, please. I agree, but if we keep Rogers, we won't see Will.

[Joe]

That. That's the only thing. If we go get a vet, they're like this, okay, we're getting a vet to steady the ship. I'm like this. We don't need a vet to steady the ship. We need to see what will going to do. We gotta go get somebody else that's gonna be a dog. Cause there's no steadying of the ship. That's just basic like. No, we need to. We need to get that offense back popping.

[Debo]

If you getting it moving, like, because you're never. You're never giving him an opportunity. I don't see Aaron Rodgers coming in there and saying, oh, hey, I'm gonna come in and be the backup just in case Will doesn't work out. That's. I just don't. I don't see that happening. So I think we at. We had a point where it's, you know, we go see what's gonna happen, sink a swim, and that's gonna be, I mean, oh, so hold on. Yeah, but Rogers come. Dude, he's not gonna get a chance. So we won't even see. We'll see. We'll be sitting there wondering what happened. Unless, you know, know something happens and, you know, Rogers can't go. I don't, you know, I don't wish injury on nobody. So I don't want to see that happen or have that be the circumstances of which, you know, we get a chance to actually see him.

[Joe]

Yeah. I don't want it to be because a rod is a IR

[Debo]

coming to life. Back again. She said, Joe. Oh, she said, now you say, can I see the jersey you're going to send me? And when can we begin to purchase Debo and Joe hoodies, T shirts, mugs, actually like the jersey you have on, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, I thank you. You know what I'm saying? AI Allen Iverson. I'm saying finals Joan.

[Debo]

You heard what she said, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah,

[Debo]

she want to see the jersey. You go seeing Joe.

[Joe]

That's gonna take me a little. You know what I'm saying? I got a little square footage. It's gonna take me a minute. I gotta go downstairs.

[Debo]

Oh, my house too big. Big.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Hey, his house too big. Sorry. Hey, if I reach here, if I reach here, I'm gonna hit the living room. If I Go over here.

[Joe]

If I go over here, you're a liar. You're also in your office.

[Debo]

Joe. I'm telling you, you're also in your office. No, everything within arms.

[Joe]

No, I don't want to hear that.

[Debo]

No, I wake up and I come over here. Yeah, yeah, right there. When you move to see your iPhone half bathroom too. I take a bird bath every day.

[Joe]

I promise you this came forward. I don't even wanna. I don't know how I'm doing. Because I want to send it. I'm gonna send it. We're gonna. I'm send it this weekend. Should I go get it as soon

[Debo]

as I leave the show. It's already ready. It's already packed up. All right.

[Joe]

Better. I'm gonna see what she get first. I'm over my. I'm overnight man.

[Debo]

Joey. Look here, Joe. It's 1235 A. Sorry.

[Joe]

Oh, we gotta get it over people.

[Debo]

But, you know, we. We got to talking and walking, and that's what happens. Listen, we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please like and subscribe and download where you get your podcast. Joe.

[Joe]

Yo, we will see you back, guys. Telling you right now, I'm back. I'm safe. Thank you for enjoying me. And we will see you here on Monday.

[Debo]

No, Joe. Huh? We go see him here tomorrow on Saturday. No, I'm lying. We'll see y' all on Monday.

[Joe]

Well, you had me.

[Debo]

Then.

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