Deebo & Joe - Part 2: NFL Free Agency Winners & Losers

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe – Part 2: NFL Free Agency Winners & Losers (March 13, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL veterans Deebo and Joe dive into one of football’s hottest post-season topics: NFL Free Agency, discussing winners and losers from the player, team, and front office perspectives. Beyond the stats and contracts, they break down how blockbuster deals are shaping franchises, debate which teams are truly “cooking,” and even touch on major NCAA news changing the collegiate sports landscape. Their trademark banter, candid opinions, and real locker room stories keep it fresh and unfiltered for fans and insiders alike.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Breaking Down Free Agency: Winners & Losers

Crosby, Ravens GM, and Public Perception

• Deebo reacts to a USA Today list highlighting supposed "losers" in free agency, naming Max Crosby and the Ravens GM.
  • “The people who lost in free agency, they're basically saying they didn't…” (03:37)
• Joe counters, suggesting the Ravens GM is a business winner—but only seen as a loser to the public eye.
  • “He won in the businessman, but in the eye of people. He lost, but nobody cares about the eye of people.” (04:19)

Owner Power and Decision-Making

• Deebo highlights that even GMs only have “say, but no power” when it comes to big owner decisions.
  • “He will have say but no power.” (04:33)

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2. Team-Specific Free Agency Moves

Cleveland Browns: O-line Reinforcements

• Joe defends the Browns’ free agency as a big win, rattling off acquisitions:
  • Titus Howard (Texans, Tackle – durable, 2yr/$45M)
  • Jenkins (Guard/Center, 2yr/$24M)
  • Zion Johnson (Left Guard, 3yr/$49M)
  • Tavin Jenkins re-signed (06:13)
• Deebo points out possible future contract issues, but Joe insists, “Line settled. Andrew Barry out here doing what he's supposed to do.” (06:34)

Pittsburgh Steelers: “Cooking with Grease”

• Both agree the Steelers’ front office, especially GM Omar Khan, is rolling:
  • Running back situation shored up (Jalen Warren, Rico Dowdle)
  • New deals for big receivers (Pin Jr.)
  • Tight end crew weighs in heavy (09:17–10:16)
• Deebo: “We gonna run that ball down your throat.” (10:33)

Winners & Losers Wrap-up

• Joe: “I'm going with the Steelers biggest winner… They want to try and knock us because we ain't got a quarterback yet.” (12:44)
• Both discuss the quarterback market, with some comedic notes on the lack of appealing options and a plan to see what Will Howard can do, with dreams of Aaron Rodgers still alive (13:10).

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3. Notable Player Contracts and Free Agency Windfalls

The Tua Tagovailoa Payday

• Deebo names Tua the “biggest winner” in free agency, referencing his $99 million reasons:
  • “Listen to me. Matter of fact, I'm gonna tell you who the biggest winner was in free agency. And they got 99 million reasons they're the biggest winner. Oh, Tua Tagovailoa. 99 million reasons.” (14:18)
  • Both crack wise about what they would do if they were paid that kind of money: “If I could get somebody like that, just chill…” (15:01)

NIL, NCAA, and Revenue Sharing Shake-Ups

• Discussion shifts to recent NCAA/EA Sports legal battles (Trinidad Chambers' eligibility & lost NIL deals) and the massive $2.7B House v. NCAA settlement.
  • “So this is huge because, you know, the nil money kind of changes the stakes...” (24:14)
  • Insight into how new revenue sharing could make the SEC & Big Ten even more dominant, with player salaries directly tied to conference-level profits.
  • “It would basically take the Big Ten and SEC conference and make them dog dominant.” (26:33)

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4. Listener Q&A & Superchat Banter

Steelers, Browns, and AFC North Rivalry

• Passionate debate about the potential of Cleveland’s QBs, the Steelers’ defense, and whether Baltimore should even be in the conversation (43:58–44:45).
  • “It's either gonna...be between us, the Browns and the Steelers.” (44:08)

Joe vs. Listener on QB Tactics

• Listener jabs (“Should Cleveland just consider putting a running back under center like the Ravens did with Lamar?”)
• Joe, half serious, half agitated: “We're not putting a running back at quarterback. You sound crazy. You sound disrespectful. You're trying to be funny.” (42:15)

Receivers to Fear in the Draft

• Both agree on Ohio State’s star:
  • Joe: “I'm gonna go with Tate. The obvious one.” (48:16)

Locker Room Stories – Tackling Receivers

• Hilarious, animated storytelling about their own playing days, including how Deebo "almost put" a teammate out when trying to help on tackles. (49:03–50:58)

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5. NFL Life & Faith

Coping, Motivation, and Positivity

• Deebo gets real about personal struggles:
  • “I got to a fight with the devil yesterday, Joe...Had to get into the word, Joe. I had to go ahead and jump into the word, you know?...He almost had me. But almost ain't good enough.” (53:54–54:44)
• Joe: “The word. Too strong.” (54:46)
• A feel-good wrap-up encouraging listeners to keep the faith and grind on.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “He won in the businessman, but in the eye of people. He lost, but nobody cares about the eye of people.” – Joe (04:19)
• “Line settled. Andrew Barry out here doing what he's supposed to do.” – Joe (06:34)
• “We gonna run that ball down your throat.” – Deebo (10:33)
• “Ain't nobody cooking better than [Omar Khan]…What are you talking about?” – Deebo (11:03)
• “I'm going with the Steelers [as] biggest winner.” – Joe (12:44)
• “99 million reasons. He [Tua] the biggest one. That man ain’t got to go to work.” – Deebo (14:18)
• On dealing with fame at the airport:
  • “You just come over there, you wanna get something, just sit on down next to me…boom.” – Deebo (47:14)
• On faith and struggle:
  • “I had to go ahead and jump into the word, you know? You can’t fight it with nothing else.” – Deebo (54:18)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:15 – Discussion on NFL free agency “losers” list
• 05:24 – Browns’ O-line moves breakdown
• 08:03 – Steelers’ free agency “cooking” and Omar Khan praise
• 12:44 – Joe and Deebo debate biggest free agency winner
• 14:18 – Tua as the biggest free agency “winner”
• 23:01 – NCAA ruling impacts (NIL, House v. NCAA, revenue sharing)
• 33:47 – Viewers’ Superchats: Steelers/Browns quarterbacks, AFC North
• 42:15 – Joe claps back at running back/quarterback comparison
• 48:16 – Receivers in the upcoming draft to watch out for
• 53:54 – Deebo’s story on faith, fighting adversity, and using “the word”

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Overall Tone and Style

• Energetic, playful, and direct – just like the locker room
• Plenty of playful jabs, inside jokes, and storytelling
• Real football insight delivered with authenticity and street smarts
• Balanced reflections on both the “business” and “fan” perspectives

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about the NFL offseason, player empowerment, and real talk from pros who’ve lived it all—peppered with laughter, community Q&A, and a shot of positivity to take with you after the whistle blows.

Transcript

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[Debo]

So USA Today they got a list of the biggest winners and losers. Free agency, they saying the biggest losers. Max Crosby, Baltimore Ravens gm.

[Joe]

Oh my.

[Debo]

Let's go on and on. You got that? Can y' all put that list up?

[Joe]

Yes. So I got. Were they saying the biggest losers? What do you mean by Max Crosby?

[Debo]

The people who lost in free agency, they're basically saying they didn't.

[Joe]

I think the. I don't think Max Crosby, I Cuz he's back. Is he back? If he's. He's back with the Raiders, I don't think he. I think the Baltimore Ravens gm. I say he lost.

[Debo]

I wouldn't say he lost. See that. That's what I'm saying, Joe. See, you got to see who you looking at or, or whose perspective that you looking from. Like did he lose business wise or did he lose in the frame.

[Joe]

In the frame of the people?

[Debo]

Look at you just got a player that was good for less and two first round draft choice.

[Joe]

He did not realize.

[Debo]

These people, business, they don't care about your feelings.

[Joe]

He won. He won in the businessman, but in the eye of people. He lost, but nobody cares about the eye of people. So this one, when this says he should be in the winners, he should be in the winners.

[Debo]

He definitely don't care. And we know the owner. Hey, listen, he will have say but no power. And what the Ravens owner said, Lamar, he will have save but no power.

[Joe]

That's when it's Shador. See. No, you know, you know, I'm just trying to figure out why there's no. There's no talk about my man, the Browns. How does no talk about losers? No, the winners.

[Debo]

Huh?

[Joe]

Winners.

[Debo]

What they win?

[Joe]

Look, well what they win?

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We.

[Joe]

We bring it. We're signed. Did you not see us. Did you not see us signing our line?

[Debo]

How many?

[Joe]

Did you not see us sign our line?

[Debo]

How many?

[Joe]

How many? The whole. The whole line. We good now. We good. We still might. We still got. We still. Right now we still going to probably draft a tackle and a wide receiver. But as far as offensive linemen are going. Oh, yeah, we.

[Debo]

We.

[Joe]

We did our thing.

[Debo]

Our line.

[Joe]

Our line is backstacked. We're good. We're protecting Shador. Who do we get?

[Debo]

Who?

[Joe]

You get Tyson Howard from the Texans tackle, two year 45, you know what I'm saying? Super solid, durable. What we did for the offensive line, too. All these players we signed play, play a lot of games, play a lot of snaps, have been super duper healthy. Durability, they're not injury prone, you know what I'm saying? That's one thing that we definitely need. So Titus Howard, Texans signed him. We got Jenkins, a guard, slash center. You know what I'm saying? Sign him for a 2 year 24. Boom. Then we got Zion Johnson. 3 years, 49 million a left guard, played a thousand snaps. You know what I'm saying? Straight durability. Do you hear me? We resigned Tavin Jenkins. Cool, right?

[Debo]

How long?

[Joe]

I don't know how long we resigned them, but don't do it.

[Debo]

Probably two years.

[Joe]

Don't worry about that. And then we're gonna. We're worried about my boy Jones. Dabble Jones, our big old tackle, he. He got hurt at the beginning of the season. He's supposed to be healthy, but we're still going to probably draft the tackle, too.

[Debo]

So what do you got left? Two years?

[Joe]

I think so, yes.

[Debo]

So in two years, you gonna lose all your linemen but one.

[Joe]

Don't.

[Debo]

Don't.

[Joe]

What are you. Why you. What are you talking about? You was like, y' all don't have nobody signed, and now we got everybody signed. You talking about some two years later, they're not gonna sign. I'm like deo. No, See, look at you. You. No, no, no, no, no. Don't want to hear none of that. Line settled. Andrew Barry out here doing what he's supposed to do, making the plays that we need. We need line. We always talking. You had no lineman sign.

[Debo]

Look at y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Debo]

Didn't y' all back out of a deal, too?

[Joe]

I'm going block for Shador.

[Debo]

Didn't y' all back out of a deal, too?

[Joe]

What you talking about?

[Debo]

Cleveland backed out of a deal, too.

[Joe]

What are you talking about?

[Debo]

I believe backed out of deal. I could be mistaken, but I wanted you mistake for your quarterback. What's his name? What's the quarterback you got? You paid all that money until you gave it all that guarantee. Oh, Deshawn, I think I thought y' all had something in line for the desean. And then after the Ravens backed out, y' all backed out. I could be Wrong chat. Let me know if I'm wrong.

[Joe]

I think it.

[Debo]

Did that happen? Did it happen? I'm thinking it did.

[Joe]

Oh, okay. And then let's talk about. So I had to bring. I had to bring up my Browns for a minute. I had to. How do you. How do you think our Stillers have been doing, though, with the free agent, hey.

[Debo]

Cooking.

[Joe]

I don't know why I had to bring up the browns because you. You weren't gonna say nothing about them. You was gonna let it slide. I had to bring up my boys about the losers.

[Debo]

I ain't need to say nothing about this. Black and gold.

[Joe]

We're not losing.

[Debo]

Cooking with grease.

[Joe]

We're not losing. The Browns aren't losing right now. We're doing good right now. Andrew Barry's cooking.

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But.

[Joe]

But Omar Khan. Hey, now we can get to Omar Khan. He's cooking.

[Debo]

Omar Khan gming. Oh, my.

[Joe]

Khan's cooking.

[Debo]

They let that man go. They said, hey, here, you give you your free. Here, use free. You told him. I said watching. I said, watching. I said, they done took the handcuffs off of him. I said, they didn't. Gave him a Runway. They don't unsnap the leash. I said, watching. Everybody want to talk about. Omar ain't did nothing. He did that, huh? He have a chance now. He got the chance.

[Joe]

He went and got RICO when you lost game with. So now we got Jalen that we was talking about is underpaid because he deserves. He. He's. He's balling like he's making $15 million a year. You know what I'm saying? He made 50 less yards than my man making 50 million. $15 million a year. So Jaylen Warren there, Rico Doddle baller. Boom. Got the running back. Got. Got the running back situation.

[Debo]

Then what. What happened?

[Joe]

Then you went and partnered up nephew with Dean and so long with making sure Lasante is there. You know what I'm saying? Nice deal. One for four to prove it. Deal. Sante gonna get more bread than that for sure. He deserves more. So he gonna go get that. We got us to resign, nephew. We got Dean.

[Debo]

They said, hold up, hold up. They. They. They. They. They. They ain't just stopped there to say, hey, and then we want to make sure we got enough, even though we got enough.

[Joe]

Talked about this. We talked about this. We needed somebody to go up top, pork chop. We needed another. We needed somebody with dk, you know what I'm saying? And they went and got pin junior off the. That was the original jump that the two big body receipts. 6, 4, 2, 25. 2:36 4.

[Debo]

Both of them like to get physical,

[Joe]

and they get real physical. Our tight end. Our tight end is 302 receivers gonna

[Debo]

be grabbing DBs like this.

[Joe]

Our tight end is 311 pounds. Oh, Lord.

[Debo]

Oh, Lord.

[Joe]

And the other one. And you think if I move six five, two sixty himself. Jayla Warren runs like he's 225, but Rico Donald is actually 225.

[Debo]

I'm gonna tell you right now, this is what's gonna happen, boy. We're gonna be lined up by three wide, and we gonna run that ball down your throat.

[Joe]

Okay?

[Debo]

You hear me?

[Joe]

I can respect it. Huh?

[Debo]

Hey, it goes. Hey, look, it's still a football around here. Yeah. Huh? Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Omar. Omar. He did it. He's cooking. He's cooking and he still got time.

[Debo]

Ain't nobody cooking better than that. What are you talking about? I don't see. Ain't nobody cooking better, ain't they? Ain't the GM on his liquor better than Omar. What you talking about? What you talking about?

[Joe]

What do you think is going to be the next move, brother?

[Debo]

Alignment office.

[Joe]

Alignment office.

[Debo]

But, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Joe. Like a lot of this stuff. We can go get some great, great

[Joe]

draft choices like we got.

[Debo]

What we got? Like 12 is about, what, 6, 7 in the top 100? Something like that? Something like that. What are we talking about? You know, Joe, Joe, I'm trying to tell you, boy. Listen to me. Listen to me, man. It's what we doing. It's what he doing. It's what they doing.

[Joe]

They making good moves. Making good moves. I. I hope we can get peasy. Young. Young Porter signed before. Before the season start.

[Debo]

No question, brother. Look here, brother. Who do you see as the bigger winner and loser of free agency, player, team, whatever it may be. Who's your winner, Joe? Are you muted?

[Joe]

No, I'm listening. I'm trying to think. I'm in deep, deep thought.

[Debo]

I'm going to wi Fi.

[Joe]

I'm gonna go with this. I'm going. I'm going with the Steelers biggest winner. I'm going with the Steelers the biggest winner.

[Debo]

They want to try and knock us because we ain't. We ain't good quarterback yet. And it ain't nothing out there it's worth getting.

[Joe]

So. So if you didn't get.

[Debo]

Y' all take that. Because we didn't get Malik Willis. Who.

[Joe]

Who. Who we have got to been to been the biggest one, Malik. If we Would have been geek, but they'd have been like, okay, yeah, now

[Debo]

we got the no. So we go sit back and go see what Will Howard can do, and we're gonna wait on Aaron Rodgers, and if he don't come, we go see what Will Howard could really do.

[Joe]

It's still. It's still. It's still early. It's still early. Still got time. You know what I'm saying? Chips all haven't fell yet. Like, that's the crazy part when the initial wave and everything's good, but there's still so many good players out there. So you got to get the right ones that's gonna fit your squad and perform well. So all these names. Names look good until after the season. That's when you could really, really grade. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, yeah.

[Debo]

You start grading halfway through the season.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, you can have the best. The best Joan ever. Like, oh, yeah. We picked exactly who it is. And he be terrible. And you'd be like, oh, damn. He wasn't. He was. He was better last year. Like, yes. You gotta play.

[Debo]

You.

[Joe]

You play. You gotta play the game. So everything sound good?

[Debo]

Only as good as your last game.

[Joe]

Come on, man, for real.

[Debo]

But listen to me. I know we. We saying, like, the. Still is the biggest winners, right? Yeah, but I got somebody fighting for biggest winner.

[Joe]

Who?

[Debo]

Listen. I'm gonna. Listen to me now. It's gonna sound crazy, but it ain't gonna sound crazy once I tell you. Matter of fact, I'm gonna tell you who the biggest winner was in free agency. And they got 99 million reasons they're the biggest winner. Oh, tua tonga violure. 99 million reasons. He the biggest one. That man ain't got to go to work.

[Joe]

You. You are correct.

[Debo]

That man even got to go to work.

[Joe]

He hit a hundred million to.

[Debo]

To.

[Joe]

Chill,

[Debo]

boy. I. I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe. If I just. Oh, man. If I could get somebody like that, just.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Oh,

[Joe]

one. Yep. You.

[Debo]

Hey, Atlanta, I'm available, baby. Let me get. Let me get 50. He Atlanta retiring again.

[Joe]

He Atlanta for the 1.4, right? No, because we got two of them. We got two quarterbacks that went. So it was Kyler Murray and Tua.

[Debo]

Kyler Murray won two now, but Tua, the biggest one,

[Joe]

you know, Tool is the biggest one because Kyler Murray only he got 36 and two got a 99.

[Debo]

I've been thinking about that a lot lately, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

And what I would I be? Would I care if I was considered a bus with 99 sitting in my pocket plus the other was 60 something. You already got. Yeah, 70 something. I've been thinking about that Joe, and I think I would just get off social media. I think I might just have to go live without. Told you, without TV and everything.

[Joe]

Just this right here, this is right here is putting you, putting it, you, you, you're doing it to yourself. You don't see yourself, you know what I'm saying? You don't have to be here. You had that, you had 160. Tuck away, be gone, chilling, chill. I just, I just, and just making sure everybody's good, you know what I'm saying? Taking care families, doing things. Just you pee the most gift just, you know, living a peaceful life out the way.

[Debo]

I mean, only thing I got to do is give him a, you know, a real address.

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[Debo]

They can send a check, you know.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

And they send a check area every two weeks.

[Joe]

They going to, they, they're not tripping and yes, they going to send right to you direct. No, don't even send me the check. Direct deposit.

[Debo]

Hey, yeah, don't. Hey, just.

[Joe]

I don't need that. I want to just wake up, roll over check my won't count good.

[Debo]

Did it go? Yep.

[Joe]

Of course it went green. It's green on there.

[Debo]

Appreciate you, brother. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, man. I'm thinking, I'm thinking they got a little, I guess they got a little controversy possibly going on over here with the ncaa. Trinidad Chambers. It says it's an eligibility issue that cost him the QB. EA Sports College 27 football game cover. What is going on there, Joe? You know what's going on there, Joe? So I'm looking at. So he was granted, I guess an extra year by the state, like okay, issued it an injunction, said he was eligible. NCAA said he wasn't. So they gave him a. The judge granted an injunction that would give him an eligibility for a six year this year. And the judge concluded that the ncaa, look at that. Didn't act in good faith by denying him away. Hey, leave that good faith word alone, bro. That good faith is for them. Okay. But the NCAA is still challenging it. So it makes it his. In his ineligibility, it makes his eligibility in question. So I guess on March 9, the EA Sports reportedly pulled out of negotiations with him on the COVID So that killed a huge nil deal for him. And now he has the possibility of an added claim that the NCAA cost him money, which they did. So this is huge because, you know, the nil money kind of changes the stakes and stuff. So you're talking about, you know, potential millions lost in nil opportunities. And then the NCAA would then be able to be sued for claims of lost NLI income.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Because of eligibility denials.

[Joe]

So how long so, but so he's trying to get another year in college football. How long has he played? Is he trying.

[Debo]

Is this gonna Be like, he, he got a medical. Well, he applied for a medical, I guess, medical ration. They denied his medical. But he went to court in the state court and the judge was like, you know, we're going to give it to him.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Okay. So basically what it comes down to, I guess this right here could mess up or not mess up. It'll challenge the NCAA's eligibility rules, you know, with the nil, you know, financial stuff and the antitrust and all the other stuff. So the thing that they had was the. It's called. It was House vs. NCAA where the lawsuit argued that the NCAA illegally prevented college athletes from earning money, like for decades, you know.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Same thing is that they. From nil stuff. So the ncaa, and it's supposed to be a couple major conferences, agreed to like a massive proposal. It was like 2.7 billion. And it would be paying back athletes that covered from 2016 to 2024.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

That would compensate players who couldn't earn, you know, nil, nil money before they changed the rule. Now that's something that right now, like, they're looking at allowing the schools like to pay players. So they would allow the schools to play players by doing revenue sharing. So sharing with the players directly, like each school, I guess they're saying, would be afforded, just as an example, 20 to 22 million dollars per year for the athletic programs. Okay. So that payment would come from TV revenue tickets, you know, sponsorship, all that stuff. And essentially you're just giving college the salary cap.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Now, the issue with the 20 million, or 20 to 20, whatever that number is, is when you look at Old State, I think Old State, they already had like 20, 20, 25 just for the football team.

[Joe]

Yeah. Alabama Jones is crazy, like, right. 30 something.

[Debo]

This revenue sharing thing that they're looking at, looking at, doing, it would kind of mess up how they've said all along, like, you know, college athletes or amateurs and all this other stuff. But if that House versus the NCAA settlement is approved, it could change everything because it would basically take the Big Ten and the SEC conference and make them dog dominant. Because it would take the revenue. It would. Because they would be getting the players or the athletes would be getting a percentage of the revenue from what it is that that they make conferences make. Right. And the SEC and the Big Ten make twice as much as everybody else. You're talking. Oh, yeah, I think the closest is 400 to 500 million, something like that. And then the sec is like 800 to a billion. And then the Big Ten is like a one point is a billion to 1.1 billion. So, like, they would just totally bruh. Dominate the market when it came time, you know, for it being a percentage of like. Yeah, uscc.

[Joe]

Yeah. I'm sec. I'm Florida. Florida Gators. We gonna get that. That means we'll be getting that 22, and we'll be getting all the recruits and all.

[Debo]

No, you would get more because you would. It would like. It would be based on a revenue percentage, so.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, whatever. Whatever. Yeah.

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Right.

[Debo]

So you got schools that's. That's. Or. Or conferences. That's 4, say, 500 million. That's what they get here at whatever conference it is. Well, when you get to Big Ten, it's a billion. So now that if they doing a 40 revenue share, they got a whole nother extra 400.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Yes.

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. To work with as far as getting their athletes. I ain't tripping on it, but I'm tripping on it because y' all just trying to stop these boys from being able to make the money like that they could make. Because now you want to try and put a cap on it.

[Joe]

But then when they still. So if they. If they do that, they're still there. They can still. They can get paid by the school, and they're still nil, too. They can still go get right. Deals from Popeyes or anybody else that's trying to go get them a sponsorship, but they're going under Florida. Like, you're getting paid by the Florida Gator football program. You know what I'm saying? That's not. That's side of nil.

[Debo]

Yeah, but they're gonna cap it. So, like, you got some guys, dude, they're making 4 or 5 million. So they go cap that and say, well, your whole school got to be under this 20. Your whole athletic program got to be under this 20. And a certain percentage, obviously, will go to each sport, depending on how it. You know, how it weighs out. That whole 20 ain't gonna be just football. Yeah. So that four or five, you ain't getting that no more. Even though you may be bringing in, you know, 7, 800% of the income.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's the one part that I don't get either. How, like, just women teams and all that stuff. End of the day, if you're in the red, you in the red. Like, you gotta kinda figure out how that works. I think the. Like you said, the football team, they're making the most, so it would not be wrong that they would be able to get the most.

[Debo]

And we were making the most. You know how we were making the most? We got paid to go get our face kicked in two, three times a year at somebody's homecoming.

[Joe]

See, that's. That's unfortunate. But you always went to go get that bread.

[Debo]

Hey, we had to go make the money.

[Joe]

You went and did it for the school. Yeah.

[Debo]

You going get paid a half million 750. Go get your face kicked to be a game.

[Joe]

That's crazy work like.

[Debo]

Come on, bro.

[Joe]

Joe, what's up, bro?

[Debo]

What time it is time for Player Fade, presented by prize. Yo, yo, before we get into this here. Before we jump in this right here, man. Despite LeBron sitting out, the Tuesday's picks cashed out, Joe.

[Joe]

Come on, man.

[Debo]

They cashed out, Joe, bro.

[Joe]

That's why.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe. Debo. We still won a little bit. Just a little.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

Just a little bit, y'.

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[Joe]

Just. Just a look. Just a little bit. But guess what? You didn't lose.

[Debo]

Yeah, you didn't lose, but LeBron didn't play that kind of.

[Joe]

That's the only reason it didn't go crazy.

[Debo]

Hot. Hot.

[Joe]

Little. How little?

[Debo]

How little? How little? 50 on the $20.

[Joe]

How little? 50 to 20.

[Debo]

It ain't true.

[Joe]

It ain't.

[Debo]

Hey, listen, it's better to have something than nothing.

[Joe]

We on.

[Debo]

We're on the right behind path.

[Joe]

We're on the right path anyway, brother, look here.

[Debo]

Let's see what you got cooked up for your boy now. Okay? I'm either go play or I'm gonna fade. Give me your lineup, Joe.

[Joe]

Okay, we got Cooper flag here. Rebounds and assists versus the Land versus Cleveland. He's gonna be very active. They're gonna lose, but he's gonna get at least. He's going to. He's trying to. He's trying to get a double. He's gonna have a double double. I don't know. Probably. I'm looking at at least seven to eight boards. No, 10 boards, 15 points and then like five assists. So he gonna hit his rebound assist joint.

[Debo]

Okay. He gonna be more. Okay. I can see that.

[Joe]

I'm on top.

[Debo]

E1. That's easy.

[Joe]

That's easy. You see the little green face right there?

[Debo]

That's Easy.

[Joe]

Anthony Edwards vs. The Golden State Warriors. And Steph Curry, I know that's one dunk. One dunk. Anthony Edwards, he's going to get. He's going to get at least three dunks. He's going to dunk on somebody. Disrespectfully okay, disrespectfully. And then Jalen Johnson. How dare they try my man for not even a free throw.

[Debo]

Not even a free throw.

[Joe]

That man got a crazy point five. So this one isn't the crazy. I'm just wondering. This is state. I want us to stay on the path of winning. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not gonna. Just know. It might not be the craziest, but you're not going. We're not going to lose.

[Debo]

We're not going to lose. Might not be. Listen to what Joe said. I'm playing this right here.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

You make sure y' all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get fifty dollars in liners after you play your first five dollar lineup. That code now. Debo Joe. Not and just Debo Joe. Let's go get your money for show. Let's see what we got in the super chat. We got Covenant. Like Covenant Light. Stay there. Hey, appreciate you five dollar, said Debo. Sir. Take. Take that medium off and send it to six. No, on my braid. One of my braids came out when I took off the one Joe said. I'm telling you, hell, I might be in concussion protocol. Hey, listen, I can't even get this off right now. I gotta get help, bro.

[Joe]

It's not a joke how tight the jerseys are. I would literally watch tj.

[Debo]

I don't know how he gets three people.

[IBM Researcher]

Bro.

[Joe]

Put the joint on them. For real? Yeah, so they can't. So he can't be out there holding them. It's glued on. And he had a tape on his pads. All that.

[Debo]

Yeah. This is. This is wild. This is why this like. This is crazy, bro. Like, look, man, like, how you do

[Joe]

this, T, we got.

[Debo]

Hold up.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Debo]

You know, I appreciate it, though. It look good on you, boy. I gotta. You know what I'm saying,

[Joe]

my brother? Who we got here?

[Debo]

316 $10 said. Good morning, Debo and Joe. Steelers don't need no 42 old year old. Need no 42 old quarterback. Hold it. Hold it down. Let Will cook. He won enough. He won a national championship. And we need to trade for Max. Put him with tj. So Max who?

[Joe]

Tom.

[Debo]

We can't afford that. We.

[Joe]

We just let.

[Debo]

Just.

[Joe]

Just let healthy high Smith.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

And herbic. Cook with TJ so we can kill the Ravens.

[Debo]

Nine two, hof. Let's go.

[Joe]

I'm rocking with it.

[Debo]

I'm rocking with it. For sure. We can't afford Max, baby, but yeah,

[Joe]

let's just keep it where it's at. TJ come back, perform where he's. Do his thing. Everybody just that we have right now, Highsmith, her and TJ be elite. And then we're good with our rushes. So we wouldn't have to go pay somebody else from. No, no, we get, we got. We can get some other things. Line by, you know, maybe safety, you know, maybe not alignment.

[Debo]

Yeah, okay, but listen, I wanna, I got. Let's. Let's get on to this next. This next.

[Joe]

What's the next one right here?

[Debo]

Liam987. $10 said. When this batch of Browns quarterbacks eventually fail, should Cleveland just consider putting a running back under center like the Ravens did with Lamar?

[Joe]

Whoa, Fox.

[Debo]

Shots fired. Everybody but Cincinnati.

[Joe]

Who is this 1?

[Debo]

Shots 5, but everybody was Cincinnati.

[Joe]

Okay, okay. You must. You. Okay, let me think. Okay. Oh, that was aggressive. That was aggressive by you.

[Debo]

Hey, let me read it again because I don't think you heard it.

[Joe]

No, no, no.

[Debo]

I heard it in the tone that was probably meant to be said.

[Joe]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[Debo]

When this batch of Browns quarterbacks eventually fails again, should Cleveland just consider putting a running back under center like the Ravens did with Lamar? Like, it's like get you two running backs and one that can throw every now and then. That's what he's saying.

[Joe]

I mean, that's so. No. First of all, no. Second of all, I don't even.

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[Joe]

Our quarterbacks have been failing. You know, definitely. We got to do better. We got to do better.

[Debo]

But when they fail. What. What should you do when we.

[Joe]

If we fail? We gotta. We gotta go get. We. We have to pick the right quarterback.

[Debo]

Like, not get a running back to play.

[Joe]

We're not putting a running back at quarterback. You sound crazy. You sound disrespectful. You're trying to be funny.

[Debo]

No, he's saying like the Ravens did with Lamar. So get a Lamar type, right?

[Joe]

Oh, like a running. I mean. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, if you talking about we get Lamar Jackson. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

I thought he was really talking about a running back and then trying to throw shade at Lamar Jackson. I'm feeling. I'm feeling.

[Debo]

That's what he said.

[Joe]

I'm feeling Shade from this.

[Debo]

You should Cleveland consider putting a running back under center like the Ravens did with Lamar.

[Joe]

But that's what I'm saying. It's all throwing shade. Lamar's not a running back. Lamar is a really good quarterback.

[Debo]

I'm.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm not.

[Debo]

I'm saying he's. I'm not saying I'm.

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He's.

[Debo]

That's Liam 908.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Liam is. Liam is funny. Liam is funny. Liam's just trying to get me. Liam just trying to get me stressed out. But if we. If we note.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

If we were Cleveland, I would like us to have drafted a Lamar Jackson. If these quarter. If. If. If Shador doesn't work out, but I think he is. I think that we're going to get the line to protect him and get him the receivers that he can throw it to a real offense to give him a chance. Let's see. We could do Shador's. I think he's going to be. They think he's going to be solid. Baker Mayfield wasn't the worst. Baker Mayfield. I don't think he was that bad. We could have signed him to a contract and we would have just kept things cool. We would have been solid. Won a playoff game. Wasn't looking crazy like now. Shador's here. Let's defense still fire. Miles is here. Ward is here. Let's get some receivers here. Juckins is here. We got a running back, tight ends. Let's go. We got squad so let's get some linemen and should do it.

[Debo]

Let me see. You feeling good about the Browns right now, huh?

[Joe]

I am. Okay.

[Debo]

So where they finish? Where you see them finishing in the division, Joe? Just in the north.

[Joe]

See, man, it's either gonna. It's going to be between us. It's gonna be between us, the Browns and the Steelers. Yep. Yep. Hey, that's what I want.

[Debo]

Trey Henderson.

[Joe]

That. I don't care about that. That. That. That's not going to help. That's going to help their. That's going to help their pass rush. Cool. They're going to. But their. Their defense, they need more.

[Debo]

Baltimore ain't even in this conversation.

[Joe]

I mean, they. They don't have their center anymore.

[Debo]

Got a whole new line. So. They don't even know each other.

[Joe]

They don't. What about their lines? What about their line? They got rid of their best linemen.

[Debo]

I'm talking about Cleveland, Joe.

[Joe]

What about reflecting. What about Cleveland?

[Debo]

The offensive line don't even know each other. They don't even know who they standing next to right now.

[Joe]

They are professionals. They're not.

[Debo]

Now they're professionals. They're not Talk about you want to reflect and go to Baltimore's line. But now they're professionals.

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[Debo]

Houston.

[Joe]

Yeah. Packers lineman.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

All that. We brought in some ballers, so we didn't. What are you talking about?

[Debo]

Right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

I swear, man. You just wait.

[Joe]

And it's still. And it's still early, everybody. Oh, what's going. No, just wait. There's still time. Free agency still moving. We gonna be solid.

[Debo]

All right, man. We go going over here. He got Atlanta Brave symbol on this thing. Nick Curse, Val Kircheval or something. 7000, 309 $10. He said he met Debo. Oh, talking about. He said, met Debo in the airport

[Joe]

asking for a picture.

[Debo]

He said, no, sir. I bust out laughing. I thought it was hilarious. He said, I love the show. We need Big Ben to come on the show. Okay, will we. We almost had that happen.

[Joe]

Do you remember? Do you remember? Do you remember? That's Debo.

[Debo]

I don't remember that.

[Joe]

No, you just do that all the time.

[Debo]

Who, me? Pictures. It just depends. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Debo]

If I'm. If I'm. If I'm in a rush trying to get to a flight.

[Joe]

Oh, for sure. If you running late.

[Debo]

No, sir, I gotta go. No, sir. Like, especially you talking about Atlanta. Atlanta Airport. Yeah, definitely jigging and jagging, trying to get through that thing, you know, I don't like having to connect longer than an hour. And, you know, you land in Atlanta, you know, with a late flight already, you gotta get.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You.

[Joe]

You got. You gotta get there. There's no time for nothing. You can't stop. You might miss. You might miss your flight. So. Okay.

[Debo]

Or. It depends. It could. It could be a situation where, you know, you sitting there and they like, yo, can I get a picture? And as you look up to see, you do like this right here. You're sitting there, you know, you're on your phone. You make it like you're doing something, whatever.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

You look up to see, like, hey, can I get a picture? You look around and you see, like, 10 other eyes looking to see. If you go, say, yeah. No, sir.

[Joe]

Then you know it's gonna go. It's gonna be a whole thing. You're gonna be a whole thing. It's gonna be a whole thing. Okay?

[Debo]

No, sir.

[Joe]

Then they look up to you. Deeper. They ain't got nothing ready. They got to be like, look, let's just come over here. Chill. Already have.

[Debo]

Hey, yeah, you got. Hey, you gotta. Just come over there. If you want to get something, just come over there and sit on down next to me.

[Joe]

Boom.

[Debo]

Just down next to me.

[Joe]

And then just quick, make it as. Make it as chill as, you know, organic.

[Debo]

Hey, I'm. Go ahead, grab your phone. Hit that quick selfie.

[Joe]

Boom. Yeah, yeah.

[Debo]

All right. Go ahead, go ahead.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, brother Debo. You know what I'm saying? Real quick, I'm out.

[Debo]

Hey, no question, no question. No question, brother. You got to do what you got to do, and you got to do it.

[Joe]

I feel it.

[Debo]

Diamond four, underscore one, five dollars.

[Joe]

Yes said.

[Debo]

Thank you both for keeping me laughing. With you both being on the defense, on the defense side, which of the receivers in the draft would you. Would y' all think would. Harder to contain. Would be harder contain. Which draft in the. Which. Which. Which receiver in the draft do you think would be harder to contain? Joe?

[Joe]

I'm gonna go with Tate.

[Debo]

The.

[Joe]

The obvious one.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Ohio State.

[Debo]

Yeah. I ain't got to worry about it.

[Joe]

He got a little bit of everything.

[Debo]

All I asked my corners to do, all I would ask my corners to do is when they would go and do that. That. That quick five yard stop, corner, get up there and tackling. As I. As I tell you about this, as

[Joe]

I tell you always say, hold them up.

[Debo]

I'll be running over there.

[Joe]

I know. I already knew what you was talking about.

[Debo]

Yep. Yep.

[Joe]

And I'm like this. No, because you're gonna blow both of us up.

[Debo]

Nope. Dude, I told you, you gotta do like this.

[Joe]

Nope. Hold him.

[Debo]

One time.

[Joe]

I see you run over there full speed.

[Debo]

Nope. You about to hit me too, man.

[Joe]

I'm getting out of this way.

[Debo]

I'm trying to tell you, bro. I only caught I one time. I almost put. I had. I had to help him up too. I was like, yo. I'm like, hey, I. Get up, Debo. I can't. I said, you be all right. I ain't gonna let nobody come this way. Just stay on the field. Ain't gonna nobody see.

[Joe]

No, sir. No, Debo, I. I know that feeling. I see you, bro.

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[Joe]

Look, just imagine I'm holding a buddy up, holding the receiver, and you running over me, holding him up full speed. Yes, I'm like this. No, you're about to hit me too. You're about to blow. But this is not this. That does not.

[Debo]

This is not good.

[Joe]

What should I do? Like let him go and move out the way and then he mess. No, I'm like me holding him. Debo, for you running in full speed, you're about to hit both of us really hard. And this is going to hurt both of us.

[Debo]

My arms.

[Joe]

You might mess around. I'm holding them. You might hit my arms. No, break my wrist.

[Debo]

Listen, I don't blindly try and hit somebody, bro. I am targeting where I want to hit. It's not you. I don't run in there blind and. And ask. Listen, that's all right. Ass like Taylor. Okay? One time. And that's because he let the dude go limp. Dude went dead body on him and dropped and I caught it and.

[Joe]

And then you hit. Seen it too.

[Debo]

As I'm Coming in. I'm coming in. And as I'm, like, right here, you

[Joe]

already passed the launch point. You passed the line.

[Debo]

Listen, I'm right here. And dude, drop dead. Boom. It was only one time, as I type, man, I asked him how many times they got that work, though, and he ain't feel none of it.

[Joe]

It's probably you. Probably. Okay, so how many times you think happened? 10. You probably got. You probably got somebody good. 15. And cracked. Ike, that one time. He went.

[Debo]

One time. Okay, that one time. That one. I probably. Man, honestly, I probably got made. 15, 20. Only caught my.

[Joe]

Only caught my homeboy. That was his fault because he let him go. Because he let him slip through his head.

[Debo]

He let him fall, okay? That ain't on me.

[Joe]

You already passed the point of return. No return. And he let him slip.

[Debo]

I'm lost. I'm gone. It's a lost cause. I can't.

[Joe]

I'm not rocking with that, bro.

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That's.

[Debo]

That's part of the. See, man, that's what I'm saying. That's part of. That's. That was still. You know what?

[Joe]

You know what? I ain't lying. I hold. I hold him up when I was. Yeah, I'll be ready.

[Debo]

Yeah, you got to be willing, baby. Listen. Covenant light came through. $400. She said, Y' all check on me.

[Joe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Debo]

Yes. Yes. Link twice. Murray look like Teeny Tiny Tim up against Justin Jefferson. See, James, I'm ready for a workout with you. Okay? I'm not scared. Hello, my Joe. Be easy.

[Joe]

There we go. Covered it.

[Debo]

Appreciate something like, listen, listen. She. Man, she always coming through.

[Joe]

Always coming through.

[Debo]

It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Joe]

Covered it is.

[Debo]

Let's talk about making, man. What's up? What's up with making, man?

[Joe]

Where Mink at now? Because I know he just got. They moved my dog.

[Debo]

I thought he went to the Jets.

[Joe]

Yes, he did. He gonna be straight. He with ag. He with ag. Trying to get that defense right. Minka is not the problem. So if you get Minka on your team, that means you're trying to get. You're trying to write the ship. Minka's not the problem. Mink is strong. If you need a safety, he's best safety. One of the best safety I played with. He's locked in. He studies his tape. He knows what's going on.

[Debo]

Oh, yeah, I know.

[Joe]

Like, I'm. I'm. I'm all for Mink. I'm just like, sometimes these. The situations, people are moving them around, but as a Ball player.

[Debo]

But he's still going with the same contract, though, so they're telling you it's worth it, man.

[Joe]

Mink. Mink is nice. I telling you, I would, man. This we. I would. If we could have Mink Bing back for the. But he's.

[Debo]

Mink still may go get it for the low.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. But you're not getting Mink for the low because Mink don't deserve it. But Mink don't deserve it. Have to take no pay cuts or nothing. Mink deserves play.

[Debo]

But for the bat still get it.

[Joe]

He can still get it. So that's why I'm like this. We would. Obviously, I would want Mink, but it would be at a number where I was like, God, I don't think it would happen. But he's a baller. And that's why.

[Debo]

Yes. 100, brother. 100. Yo, why. Why you say. Why you say Kyler Murray look like Tiny Tim up?

[Joe]

Because you keep on saying because. It's because.

[Debo]

Look, See? Listen, man. Covenant Life. Your name don't reflect. Don't reflect your covenantness.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

You know, you. You shoot shots.

[Joe]

She comes with flame throwers all the time.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe, listen.

[Joe]

What's up, brother?

[Debo]

Joe, listen.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Debo]

I got into a fight with the devil yesterday. No, Joe. I got to a fight with the devil, Joe. That boy had me punched drunk. I was out of it. Whoa. He was whooping on me bad, too, Joe. And it wasn't he whooping on me all day, though. He was whipping me bad. It wasn't until that night I was like, whoa. Like, if I don't do something, I said, ah. I gotta get into the word, Joe. I had to go ahead and jump into the world, you know? You can't fight it with nothing else.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

But the word.

[Venmo Announcer]

Got you.

[Debo]

I had to listen to the word. Let me know that he was already gone. He defeated, though. He had me punch drunk, though. He had me out there. He had me gone, Joe.

[Joe]

He had you.

[Debo]

Wow. He almost had me out of there.

[Joe]

Almost.

[Debo]

Almost. I was ready to fire off, boom. And just start going. He almost had me. But. But almost ain't good enough.

[Joe]

Almost ain't good enough. No.

[Debo]

Almost ain't good.

[Joe]

No, no, no.

[Debo]

The word. The word. Too strong.

[Joe]

He's able. He's able.

[Debo]

Fighting with the word. I had to go in there and say, hey, he's already. Oh. Oh, yeah. He already. What you doing? Get off me.

[Joe]

Get off me.

[Debo]

Look here, baby. We want to thank y' all for joining us. On this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like subscribe and download Joe Yo.

[Joe]

We will see you guys on Monday. Same time, same place.

[Indeed Announcer]

Yeah.

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