Deebo & Joe - Part 2: NFL Replacement Refs are back? + Super Chats

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Deebo & Joe, Part 2: NFL Replacement Refs and Super Chats

Podcast Date: March 30, 2026
Host: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker

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Episode Overview

This vibrant episode dives into the NFL’s looming referee labor dispute—and the possibility of replacement refs—while Deebo and Joe riff on league integrity, player accountability, and historic locker room stories. The hosts field spirited "super chat" questions from fans, debate divisional prospects, and share personal anecdotes from their playing days. The conversation moves seamlessly from cutting critiques of the league to classic banter about Browns vs. Steelers, culminating in lighthearted and brutally honest football talk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Replacement Referees: The Owners’ Move

• [02:34] Deebo breaks news that NFL owners are preparing to hire replacement referees due to stalled negotiations with the NFL Referees Association.
  • Recap of 2012 locked-out refs (the “Fail Mary” game, Seattle vs. Green Bay): "Different rules. Like they weren't even calling the rules right… it lasted for three weeks and then ended with the 'Fail Mary.'"
  • The integrity of the game comes under fire when gambling and bad officiating intersect.
  • Notable Quote:

    "They worried about money, bro. What you think of this, man? Them using replacement refs again?" — Deebo [04:31]

• [04:58] Joe calls out the NFL’s “D-league” approach with replacement refs and criticizes part-time officiating in a billion-dollar league.
  • Suggests full-time, accountable refs. "It's money. We got so much we need to make it legit, where we have legit full-time."
  • Stresses differences in rules between college and pro, and the potential confusion replacement refs introduce.
  • Quote:

    “Getting replacement referees just D league, like what are we doing? This is a professional football league, y’all... Why are we having part time refs reffing a big professional game?” — Joe [05:00]

2. The Impact of Officiating on Game Outcomes & Player Livelihoods

• [07:26] Deebo & Joe on the consistency and accountability of referees.
  • "Some of these cats are pilots and lawyers… Like, how much time are they doing elsewhere? If this dude is a pilot, he's flying and he's a lawyer." — Deebo [07:26]
  • The move to replay enhancements is seen both as a solution and a potential scandal for control over games and perceptions of “scripted” outcomes.
  • Quote:

    “If that's the case, they thinking something scripted, well, hell, they can change the script.” — Deebo [08:36]

  • Joe on personal accountability:

    “How the hell I'm trying my hardest not to get my ass beat over top on a fade ball… the eye in the sky don't lie.” — Joe [08:46]

3. Honest Locker Room Moments & Film Review Stories

• [10:24 onwards] Deebo, Joe recount the humiliation and honesty in team meetings after blown plays.
  • “He would replay, replay, replay. What are you doing? Are you accelerating or you decelerating? What the… What are you looking at, man?” — Deebo [10:53]
  • Owning mistakes, team accountability, and the rare pride when a play is shown off as a “teach rep.”
  • “Everybody gonna get theirs, bro.” — Joe [11:06]
  • Humorous stories about missing blocks, getting called out, and even biting nails out of habit as a stress response.
  • Cracking jokes about biting toenails as a kid:

    “I ain't know how to use no fingernail clippers, so I bit that big toenail one time.” — Deebo [26:04]

4. Player and Coach Moves: Offseason Buzz

• [14:34] Deebo brings up Khalif Raymond’s move from the Lions to the Bears for Ben Johnson's creative offense.
  • Is it a knock on Detroit or a bump for the Bears?
    “I wanted to play for Ben’s offense. He’s extraordinarily creative and honest.”
  • Joe and Deebo debate which QB—Goff or young Caleb Williams—they’d pick.
  • Quote:

    “I’m taking Goff.” — Deebo [16:00]
    “You smoking more than that cigar. I’m taking Caleb Williams for sure.” — Joe [16:01]

  • Debate on head coach vs. quarterback influence.

5. Division Preview & Bold Team Predictions

• [27:23+] Lively AFC North debate:
  • Joe predicts Steelers will go 12-5, Browns 10-7, Ravens 9-8, Bengals 7-10.
  • “If we could do that… our defense is going to be able to hold teams to under 16 points. I like us to win a lot of games.” — Joe [28:00]
  • Deebo checks Joe’s optimism and reminds him of franchise realities.

6. Super Chat Audience Q&A

• [35:35+] Fan questions range from Canadian geography to TJ Watt’s productivity:
  • “Is it a lack of talent or have the modern NFL rules just made your brand of football impossible to play?”
    — Question on defense called “trash” [40:31]
  • Deebo: “My comment… was their actual play and yes, it was scheme alignment assignment. Like, we don’t know what we’re looking at out there…” [40:45]
  • Both hosts agree: sometimes bad play, sometimes bad scheme.
  • On Super Bowl celebrations: Deebo admits he blacked out after the first one and chose to stay sober for the next so he’d remember.

7. Steelers vs. Browns: Legacies and Real Talk

• [52:38] Joe reflects on his transition from Browns to Steelers, the pain of never winning a Lombardi, and being surrounded by legacy in Pittsburgh.

• Deebo jabs:

  “You would have never even seen a Lombardi in person. You got to walk by stacks of them every day… Legendary. A legacy. Legacy.” [53:00]

• Joe returns fire:

  “Those are other people’s trophies… I wasn’t able to bring one to the Browns, I wasn’t able to bring one to Pittsburgh.” [53:25]

• Browns’ lone championship in 1964, Jim Brown era, and post-merger futility discussed.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• “They worried about money, bro.” — Deebo [04:31]
• “Getting replacement referees just D league. Like what are we doing?” — Joe [05:00]
• “Some of these cats are pilots and lawyers, dude… Like, how much time are they doing elsewhere?” — Deebo [07:26]
• “The eye in the sky don't lie…” — Joe [08:46]
• “Everybody gonna get theirs, bro…” — Joe [11:06]
• “I ain't know how to use no fingernail clippers, so I bit that big toenail one time.” — Deebo [26:04]
• “I wanted to play for Ben’s offense. He’s extraordinarily creative and honest.” — Khalif Raymond via Deebo [14:59]
• “I’m taking Goff.” — Deebo [16:00]; “I’m taking Caleb Williams for sure.” — Joe [16:01]
• “I'm just saying, dude, we got unit 25, 10, $2. Said, do you think we need to move 90 around more?” — Super chat topic [55:43]
• “Those are other people’s trophies… I wasn’t able to bring one to Cleveland, I wasn’t able to bring one to Pittsburgh. I'm out there walkin', I'm out there play pimpin', walkin' by y'all's trophies.” — Joe [53:25]
• “You would have never even seen a Lombardi in person. Legacy!” — Deebo [53:00]

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Fan Super Chats & Responses

• Reflections on playing careers, defensive alignment, player habits
• Jokes about biting nails, Super Bowl party stories
• Old-school vs. new-school takes on team building and organization legacy (Steelers vs. Browns, NFL Championships, etc.)
• Light-hearted riffs:
  • “You would have never knew what it felt like to actually be like, yo, we got a chance of winning the Super Bowl every year.” — Deebo [53:00]
  • “It takes a team, but y'all don't know how to build one over there in Cleveland.” — Deebo [55:14]

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Summary & Tone

The episode stays true to the hosts: candid, unfiltered, and loaded with ex-player insight. Deebo and Joe fuse knowledge of the league’s inner workings—labor disputes and scheme breakdowns—with the everyday humor, trash talk, and wisdom unique to NFL locker rooms. Whether debating dubious refereeing, reliving hard-knock meeting rooms, or trading Steelers-Browns barbs, their tone is both raw and fun, connecting directly with superfan questions and never shying from tough truths.

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Quick Segment Timestamps

• [02:34] NFL replacement refs news, 2012 lockout memory
• [04:58] Joe on league’s lack of full-time refs
• [07:26] Conversation on part-time officials, replay, and “scripted” game theories
• [10:24] Film room accountability — embarrassing moments
• [14:34] Khalif Raymond, offensive coaching, and QB debates
• [27:23] AFC North win record predictions
• [35:35] Super Chat Q&A — Canada, defense, and more
• [53:00] Steelers/Browns legacy banter
• [55:43] Scheme questions about defensive players
• [60:14] Tease: Tomorrow’s all-time 17-0 defense player picks

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Final Note

If you want an irreverent, no-nonsense football conversation—equal parts inside-baseball and locker room comedy—this episode delivers. You’ll get critical perspectives on the NFL’s officiating crisis, bold division predictions, and plenty of raw, unvarnished truth about team culture and what it means to win (or not) in the pros.

Transcript

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[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

That lasted for three weeks and then it ended with what they call it, the, the Fail Mary incident with Seattle and Green Bay and the last play touchdown that cost Green Bay the game. First off, the play shouldn't even been judged or rude anything because Tate pushed 37 so hard to the ground that Stevie Wonder could see it. Okay. And it should have been an interception, but they don't know what they're looking at because what they say, simultaneous possession goes to the offense. But it wasn't simultaneous possession. The DB had it and the receiver reached his hand in there. So what happened? Players started complaining, the coaches started complaining, they criticizing, you know, the refs, the fans and the general public started complaining. And then it was like, yo, what's up with the credibility of the game? Then the gambling thing was an issue. Oh, there we go, Money, losing money. NFL said, oh, hold up, we about to lose money. Get the refs back. They worried about money, bro. What you think of this, man? Them using replacement refs again?

[Joe]

Joe I think they need to look the whole referee joint, it pisses me off because we're a professional NFL football league that have part time referees. Like there need to be our referees. I feel like the NFL referees need to first and foremost be full time refs. They need to be able to get judged by how they perform. They need to be able to get their stuff reviewed and get that stuff taken over. So the whole little league referee system that we're doing in the professional and the multi billion dollar business blows my mind. So getting replacement referees just D league, like what are we doing? This is a professional football league, y'. All. Were talking about the integrity of the games. All this. Why are we having part time refs reffing a big professional game done by the cream. Like this is supposed to be the best of the best. The business, business. Trillion dollar, billion dollar companies. Why do we have part time officials that are making sure that are like the games go by them, you know what I'm saying? So I think that starting from there, it's money. But we got so much we need to make it legit. Where we have legit full time and they get. I hear you, Debo, but with me it just, it just. It's crazy. And hiring replacement refs, it just makes it look even more junior varsity that we're playing in the NFL and now we're getting replacement refs come from college. That the rules. It is a different game. Like all of the little intangibles, the, the just the, the. The not even the big stuff. The two feet in bounds, you know what I'm saying? That they have one foot in college, the gunners, the in and out. How, how long you can stay out of bounds, how long you get to come back inbounds, the touching of the ball on the punts and anything. Just the little intangibles of our game that people were looking like, why do they do that? I'm like, no, no, you gotta. When you put one foot out of bounds and one foot in bounds on the kickoffs, little stuff special teams, just the little, little things of the league that you have to know. And it's like those are professional refs that have been doing it for a long time. They have. They should be going through training and making sure like this is what you do. There's reasons when you do mess up calls, you don't get to play ref in the playoffs. There's. You get in trouble like the same way players and everybody, you get. No, you stink.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You're out.

[Joe]

You're fired. You're no longer NFL ref. There has to be repercussions to continued bad calls and not being able to do stuff in playoff games and Super Bowls and stuff like that. So with me, they. We need to have our own referees and replacement referees. Just makes it look even more junior varsity.

[Debo]

No question, dude. They need to be full time pay these dudes. Some of these cats are pilots and lawyers, dude. Like, how much time are they doing elsewhere? If this dude is a pilot, he's flying and he's a lawyer. Like, come on, bro. Like pay the man.

[Joe]

Pay that man some money. He's a rat.

[Debo]

Money. What they need. That's the whole reason right here. They said next week it's expected to approve a sweeping set of replays to enhance the support. Why? So they can try and get the play right. Even if they miss the play or don't get it right. That they can call and be like, hey, this need to be that. But then do you get into people talking about, oh, man, the NFL now is setting their own rules of who they want to win, not win, depending on what plays they review or don't review. They catch or don't catch. Now you getting into the whole gambling type issue thing and all that other stuff where they're like, now the NFL got control of whatever it is. So I think you running into. You running into. You know, a whole bunch of. You run into muddy waters here, man. You run into muddy waters here. And you know, they trying to be. Oh, it's scripted. Everything's scripted. Well, hell, if that's the case, they thinking something scripted, well, hell, they can change the script.

[Joe]

I'm telling you this because when you talk about the scripted part, though, Debo, I can't. I can only speak on myself and knowing of.

[Debo]

Speak on all of us.

[Joe]

Brother, brother, brother. How the hell I'm trying my hardest to not to get my ass beat over top on a fade ball. Like, I'm not worried. Like, I understand that, but like, for me, that is my livelihood. The eye in the sky don't lie. What are you doing, Joe? You just got your ass beat. Like, I can get cut. I will not play anymore. I'm looking at it like, no. Just for like, no. What are you supposed to be in your spot getting hit on that in front of my team when we go to that film room? The embarrassment of being on that big screen with your coach in front of everybody like this. What happened right here? And you know it's coming. I'm like this. I got beat. I got. I'm. I'm waiting for the tape the next day because I know I'm going to see that in the big screen. I'm gonna see that in the little meeting with the defense. I'm gonna see it again in our individual meeting. I'm about to get bombed up in three meetings in front of all of my homies and feel terrible. Cause I'm supposed to be him. He's not supposed to ever score on you. Like, that's how I feel. But when we looking at it, I'm like, oh, man, Joe, okay, you gotta get your head around what happened. What happened here. I'M like this. That's me. I gotta make that play. Ah, like

[Debo]

you sitting. Meeting you like, damn.

[Joe]

Play 23. Play 47.

[Debo]

I don't know.

[Joe]

Yeah, and you know you got that list. You got the joint. They got it. I know I missed that tackle comment right here, Joe.

[Debo]

What?

[Joe]

What? What did you. Nsa, What? What the hell? What? What the. WTF on it? Like, oh, my. Oh, my goodness. I can't wait till this play come. So, Joe, what we got here? On they play 23. That's me, coach. You know, I thought he was running that. That's. That's all me. That's me. I got to make that play. All right, next time. Yep.

[Debo]

Damn, bro, it ain't do it ain't nothing worse, dude. Especially like when I played for Coward, bro, when I played for Cower. The whole team sat in there for every special teams play. So we'd go through kick off, kickoff return, punt, pump return. The whole team was in there, bruh. He would replay, replay, replay.

[Joe]

What are you doing?

[Debo]

Are you accelerating or you decelerating? What the. What are you looking at, man? Me and foot, we'd be like there, man. Did you miss a block on the. Yeah, bro, I missed the blocking. You know, he all 11.

[Joe]

They're gonna rewind. You're sitting on one play for 20 minutes. Everybody gonna get theirs, bro.

[Debo]

Hey. Yes, bro. Everybody getting theirs.

[Joe]

Everybody getting theirs.

[Debo]

Ain't no shorts for nobody. No, ain't no shorts for nobody, bro.

[Joe]

But that's why I love football, though, bro. Cause that honest sky don't lie. If you made your block, you made it. You good? Oh, yeah. I'm gonna get a good one on this one. This is how we need it. Like, give me. Make me do a teach rep. So we're coaching like this now, Joe. That's how you get your leverage right there. Like. Yes. Come on, guys, you hear? Yeah. You heard that, right?

[Debo]

Right? That's how you do it.

[Joe]

Joe in there. Good feet. Good feet, Joe, about.

[Debo]

Hey, you see Joe? I'm like, oh, you see James right here? Oh, I did, right?

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Debo]

Hey, dude, I never forget, man. So I was. I was nervous, right? So I'm playing and you know how you. You do a right or left return on kickoff?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

You could do the crack backs then.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Debo]

So as we doing it, we're doing a right return, but we're facing this way. So the right return is here, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

So I don't got so damn nervous, bro, that I didn't turn to run and As I turned to run, I'm like, right return, right return. But I'm turning, running towards our guy now. So the right return that should be on my left is. Now I'm thinking is right.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Total opposite, wrong direction. And as I get down there, I'm looking and I'm like, where the hell is he going? It's a right return. And as I start seeing everybody else doing the real right is my left because I done turned around.

[Joe]

Yeah. I'm like, oh, you know, you about to look.

[Debo]

I'm in the meeting, bro. Coach Cower. Go, James. What you doing here? What.

[Joe]

What are you.

[Debo]

It's a right return. Do you know it's the right return?

[Joe]

Did you get the call, Coach?

[Debo]

I know it's the right return, I said. But what had happened is I went for the. I was doing the right return, but when I turned around, I said my right was still on my right. Dude. He started laughing like, that's the only thing that got me out. Like, everybody like, yeah, that was. That was. He said what I said when I turned around, Coach, my right was still on my right, so I went for the right return. I was nervous.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, you. You can look, Debo. You probably get. You get that one time, right?

[Debo]

That one time, I. Oh, I told him one time. I go. We was blocking and, you know, we in the meetings and he's. He's going through the meetings and he's like, hey, whatever happens, you know, just go ahead, go hard. Da, da, da, da. He was like, cuz happens, you know? Right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

So we in a play. I think they got me for like a holding penalty or something. And he comes over. James.

[Joe]

James.

[Debo]

I'll make it. Like, I don't hear him. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to the sideline, you know? You hear me, James? Silverback. Da, da, da. You know, that's when they called me silverback. So I turned. What. What happened there? And I was just like, coach, happens. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

He had nothing. You had nothing for him.

[Debo]

He had nothing to say. He was, like, busy and then was like, yeah, coach. You did say happens, though. Yeah. Like, you did say happens.

[Joe]

That's right. You took it on the chin. That's me. Happens.

[Debo]

Yeah, I. I had nothing else to say.

[Joe]

No. No excuses, dude.

[Debo]

Wide receiver Khalif Ran Raymonds chose to play for, I guess, the Bears over the. Over the Lions. So there was a chance to return to the Lions for a sixth season. An opportunity to rejoin a former or opportunity to rejoin a former coach of Chicago, he opted for the chance to play for Ben Johnson, who had been the offensive coordinator in Detroit before leaving their division rivals in 2025. He said, I wanted to play for Ben's offense. He's extraordinarily creative and honest, and you can be in any spot on the offense and he will find a way to get you the ball. Just to be under him is a great privilege. Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

What is this saying? Is this. Is this a. Is this a knock at Detroit or is it a bump on the Bears?

[Joe]

Like, I think I'm going to bump on the Bears. I'm going to bump on the Bears. I'm going with young Caleb growing, getting better, looking good. And them dudes just thriving. Nothing against what's up.

[Debo]

Who they got over there at quarterback, bruh. In Detroit.

[Joe]

In Detroit.

[Debo]

Yes. Golf.

[Joe]

Golf. Okay. I mean, yeah, I like golf, but like young, young Caleb. Well, you acting like golf is better than Kayla Williams.

[Debo]

I'm taking. I'm taking golf.

[Joe]

Oh, you're doing. You're on. You're on some. You smoking more than that cigar. I'm taking Kayla Williams for sure.

[Debo]

I'm taking golf.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Taking off. I think it's more of the head coach.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Personally, because he said I wanted to play in Ben's offense.

[Joe]

Quarterback and coach. Quarterback and coach. I think if they had. Don't want to.

[Debo]

Don't forget Campbell took over play calling this year.

[Joe]

Now,

[Debo]

they didn't do great. They didn't make the playoffs, bro, after killing it early and years. Especially when he was coordinator in 25. Go back 25, bro.

[Joe]

I'm gonna tell you this. If I'm a young, I'm going with Caleb and them. He's young. I'm just saying I'm rocking you.

[Debo]

You.

[Joe]

You rather you. You going with Campbell.

[Debo]

I mean, I'm not going with Campbell. Yes. I'm gonna go the other way. You just said quarterback. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go to. Because I didn't like what. What happened. Especially when they could have went to the super bowl if he didn't play Russian roulette in the playoffs with going for fourth downs every time. Crazy. You can't do that when they get deep into the. When you're in the playoffs, dude. Ain't no. Ain't no making up for that.

[Joe]

No, for sure he could have made no he. That he was living. Living by the sword, dying by the sword. I like. I still like Campbell. I like the way they was coaching over there. But now they got rid of the running back, too. They lost Montgomery. I think Caleb is going to be a star and that the Bears are. The Bears are going to be trouble. Oh.

[Debo]

From his last year, I believe he's. He's going to. Yeah, he's going to develop into something.

[Joe]

But you saying that golf is better than they already.

[Debo]

They already doing. They already doing it in a super, super supernatural way right now. But once he gets his consistency together and have a real grip on getting that thing there now with his ability to shaking bake on you.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Stop.

[Joe]

It's happening.

[Debo]

You got. You got Ben right there, baby. He just told you. Extraordinarily creative.

[Joe]

He knows what's up, man. Caleb gonna be the future. I like it,

[Debo]

man. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I just can't get over the painted nails.

[Joe]

Ah, Sam Debo.

[Debo]

I'm just keeping it 100. I just, you know, it ain't gonna happen.

[Joe]

But I just said I feel he's gotta. Yep. Just keep going. The main thing. The main thing. Long as he in that thing, he knows all the plays, all the adjustments, all of that. That's all that matters. In between those lines, Coach, please, you know, come out that gym, you know, and doing it on time, handling business, please.

[Debo]

Better understanding of the offense, defense, better understanding of the system. Everything.

[Joe]

Dude, bro, literally comfortable, moving smooth. Not like understanding being able to.

[Debo]

Just don't. Just. Just don't be missing no, you know, no, no, no, no practice time, coming late for nothing.

[Joe]

None of that. None of that. None of that. I'm talking about first one in. I'm thinking at the same time, I've never. I haven't heard anything about him. Like. Cause I know Caleb's pops and every. I'm. He's in there, he's studying the tape. He knows what's going on. He wants best. So, like, I never heard about anything about being late to any meetings, late to any, like, obligations.

[Debo]

He's in there shot at the nails, that's all. Bro.

[Joe]

I know you was. I know you was.

[Debo]

I bite my. You know I do my.

[Joe]

You ain't even got. You don't even have any nails. You don't have nails, man. Look at you. Just. Just don't even care.

[Debo]

I'm biting. Yeah, I'm just. I'm just biting. I used to. I used to get bored and just sit there and just chew on them.

[Joe]

Yep, you wild, wild man. Debo, man. Straight up. That's why you call Debo working.

[Debo]

I can't help it. I take I, I, I take and I, I, I, I take away the need to spend extra money. I told you I gotta find a way, Joe, I ain't got it.

[Joe]

Like, yeah, you just gonna do it yourself. Just straight, straight Manicure gone. Yeah, evil.

[Debo]

Sometimes, sometimes I even, I even get to the cuticles when they see.

[Joe]

That's savage.

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[Debo]

Hey, everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What is this, your first date? Oh, no.

[Liberty Mutual Spokesperson]

We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird.

[Joe]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league anyways.

[Liberty Mutual Spokesperson]

Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty, Liberty.

[Debo]

Liberty, Liberty.

[Lily Herman]

Ready for a different take on Formula one? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.

[Debo]

Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon.

[Lily Herman]

The story of the sport's most consequential driver Strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both?

[Debo]

He started getting all this attention and

[Lily Herman]

he maybe started to think, I'm bigger

[Debo]

than this, I'm better.

[Lily Herman]

And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[John Green]

I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of the Fault in Our Stars. And now I guess also as the co host of the Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World cup was Mexico. 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer football is a story we've shared for over 30 years, since Daniel was The the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together we'll find out why. Of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm Daniel Jeremiah.

[Debo]

And I'm Greg Rosenthal.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And this is 40s and free agents.

[Debo]

The games may be over, but the NFL never stops. This is my favorite part of the calendar.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, pro days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future.

[Debo]

This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money.

[John Green]

On 40s and free agents.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

We break down every move that actually

[Daniel Jeremiah]

matters, from my draft evaluations, mock drafts,

[Debo]

and team fits to my top 101

[John Green]

free agents and how real rosters are

[Wilmer Valderrama]

built, cap space, contracts, and all the tough decisions included.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You got quarterbacks on the move.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

We got teams rebuilding. It's hope season.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Absolutely, it's hope season. We'll tell you what's real, what's noise, and what it means for your favorite team.

[John Green]

Smart analysis, real conversations every week, week.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Hey, I'm Wilmer Valderrama and this is Freddy Rodriguez. Welcome back to Dos Amigos. Dos Amigos, Season two, baby. This time we're going even deeper into our careers, our lives, our art, and everything in between. Each episode emanates from our very own speakeasy, where we swap stories about the moments that really shaped us on and off camera. What do we invest in right now? What is the immediate advice you give people right now is to value time, to be cognizant of time and how important time is, because once the time is up, it's up, and then that's it. And the relationships, collaborations, and even the failures that pushed us to grow. The common denominator is that we have the same people with us since, like 30, 40 years ago, right? Like, we have a lot of the same. Same homies that stuck around. Plus the door always stays open for a third amigo to pull up a chair. Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the Michael Dura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joe]

You are a savage, my brother. Hey, that's for sure.

[Debo]

How much money I done save over the years on. On not getting manicure for show there to bite my toes. But I can't.

[Joe]

I can't.

[Debo]

You dirty dog.

[Joe]

Oh, no. I ever can't see you see you with your leg out, toe up. Crazy man.

[Debo]

Bro, you. I. I honestly, I used to be able to. I think I saw. I think so. I ain't that no, bro.

[Joe]

You got to tell me what age did you stop doing that?

[Debo]

Oh, man, I was. I had to be a kid, man.

[Joe]

Okay. I was about to say you had to be. When you had to be under double digits, you had to be at least got at 6,5. Because once you 13 year old, Debo.

[Debo]

Yeah, I was young, man. I think. I think I might have bit that toenail off one time.

[Joe]

I had.

[Debo]

No, I ain't, I ain't. I ain't know how to use no fingernail clippers, so I bit that big toenail one time.

[Joe]

Oh. Oh, man, I wasn't ready for that one.

[Debo]

I'm just saying, bro. I'm just saying. Hey, man, listen. Who, who, who. He preferred Buffalo. I mean, sorry. The Bears, obviously.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Who would you like if you could come back right now, you still had your skill. Who would you. Who would you want to play for?

[Joe]

I ain't gonna. For me, I would want to play for the Lions. I want to play for the Lions. I love the coach. I love that. I just, I just love the way that he, the previous. How he was a previous player. Love his energy, love how he moves, you know, So I, I don't. I would probably want to play for that coach if it was me. But quarterback wise, I think Kayla's the better quarterback.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

But I would definitely, probably want to play for the Lions. I think I like him a little more.

[Debo]

So you going?

[Joe]

I'm a player coach kind of guy. I mean, you're going.

[Debo]

You're going for the. You going for the coach that you like. Yeah, understandable. Understandable.

[Joe]

And golf is not bad too. I mean, that coach, quarterback combo, like you said, it's not bad.

[Debo]

Oh, yeah, for sure. You can't go wrong with that.

[Joe]

And I got Gibbs comes out on

[Debo]

the AFC north, though, on, you know, top this year. Who you. Who you got coming out?

[Joe]

Hold on. Who you got?

[Debo]

Stop playing with me, bro.

[Joe]

Who you got? Because we see. We always doing it because we ain't nobody got the full rosters. I'm gonna know is I don't need no food. You already know what it is.

[Debo]

I know the moves we done made. I know the moves y'. All. Y' all done made. I know the moves some people ain't made. I notice some. I know the move some people can't make. And it ain't nobody that you go get right now. Let's go change that in first, second, third, fourth, fifth round. You thinking that your. Your guy Andrew Barrett can get something, let's go change that or one of those other teams.

[Joe]

We need to get. We. We go get. We go get two. Two dog receivers out of this draft. I'm talking about two dogs and another. And then two more offensive linemen just for. Just for skill and depth.

[Debo]

So what you said.

[Joe]

No, no. I mean, I'm going with. I'm going with. I'm going with the Steelers. I'm going with the Steelers. And then second, I want to see what. What we do with the receivers and our. With. With the rest of the receivers and offensive line because our defense is a. Defense is what it is. Boom. We're going to be cold. Our offense, we got to be able to score at least 24, like 20, 21, 24 points a game at least. If we could do that. And our defense is going to be able to hold teams to under 16 points. I like us to win a lot of games. So once we get.

[Debo]

What do you call a lot of games, Joe?

[Joe]

A lot of games. Okay, over 10, because we know four is 10 to 7. 10 to 7. 10 to 7.

[Debo]

10 to 7. Why are you going down?

[Joe]

10 and 7 is our record. 10 and 7, Tim. We have. We have. We had five. That's doubling what we had last.

[Debo]

Okay. Okay. You good?

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm. What you what?

[Debo]

You're comparing it to that trash that y' all had? It's perspective is everything.

[Joe]

Coming in like this year with. Yeah, Shador, with this good squad. We go 10 to 7.

[Debo]

Okay, so where does that put the Steelers, y'?

[Joe]

All? I mean, we need to want to see who the quarterback is. But I'm saying right now. 11, 12. 11. 11 to 12. 11 to 12 wins. 12 wins.

[Debo]

2, 4, 6, 12 and 5. Cincinnati, Cleveland Ravens. I'll say maybe 13 and maybe 14 and 3.

[Joe]

See you. Okay. No, that's not. I'm saying I'm going 12 for the Steeler, going 10 for the Browns.

[Debo]

So everybody else is in the basement.

[Joe]

Where the Ravens? Yeah, Ravens probably what they. 8, 8, 9 and s. 9 and 7. What's that? 9 and 8. 9 and 8. Yeah, 9 and 8 and Bengals. Ah, sorry. 7 wins. 7 and 10. 7.

[Debo]

A lot of wins.

[Joe]

6. What? 6 and 11.

[Debo]

You got 7 with them. You got 9 with them, 10 with y', all, and 12 with us.

[Joe]

Oh, our division gonna be 5. That's the thing we got. Joe Burrow's not gonna be playing. Lamar Jackson's still Lamar Jackson. You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna disrespect our division. Our division's nice. So that's why our. That's why the Browns, I'm looking at. We gotta be able to have offense. We gotta be able to put up some points. Our defense has always been in there with all the other AFC defenses. We in there every time, sometimes better,

[Debo]

but we can't score.

[Joe]

Listen, listen. Listen, fool. You gonna let me. If we can't score, then we can't win. So let's get us some offense. To where? Oh, man.

[Debo]

Whoa.

[Joe]

We got 30. And the defense, like. Oh, my God, are you kidding me? We could really go out here and take off and get some more sacks. We don't have to. Bimba don't know. We getting. We going after him. We up. We gotta lead.

[Debo]

I'm so lost on the weeds right now.

[Joe]

Listen, when I'm talking about the Browns, you jump on with me. Cause you from Ohio. You lived in Ohio. Hell, I will just take it. Just take it. Just let me go.

[Debo]

I eat shit. Dying.

[Joe]

When you. Always.

[Debo]

When we go with the bronze, when

[Joe]

we go with the Steelers, you know, obviously, I'm rocking, so I let you just. We're going. But when I'm going, let me flow.

[Debo]

We. I just needed you to clarify the we.

[Joe]

We is me, you and my brows, bruh.

[Debo]

Hey, say something else. That ain't we. Okay, say us.

[Joe]

Us. Okay, I'll say us. I say us. I say us.

[Debo]

I ain't part of that we.

[Joe]

So, yeah, we'll know is that I. We'll know exactly. But, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Steelers, 12, Browns, 10.

[Debo]

Still is 12. Browns 10. Cincinnati, seven.

[Joe]

And Cincinnati. Cincinnati. Maybe Cincinnati may be seven. Seven. Seven. Seven or six. Six or seven. Six or seven.

[Debo]

That's a lot of wins, bro.

[Joe]

That's not a lot of wins. It's a great division. It's going to be competition.

[Debo]

So, what's the divisional breakdown?

[Joe]

The Steelers are going to win the division, and the Browns are going to end up getting in by record.

[Debo]

Smart man. Smart man. The other part ain't too smart. But the first part, like I said, common sense ain't too common no more. But, hey, even. Hey, Even a blind dog, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

He.

[Debo]

He. He can find the meat. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

All you gonna do all that.

[Debo]

Hey, listen, right? Twice a day, baby, telling Sunshine, hey, Sunshine on every dog's ass. Once in a while, I could keep going, you know.

[Joe]

You know, you. I hit. I. I hit the exact. I hit the records on point, though. Like, just wait.

[Debo]

Remember, y'. All. Hey, y', all, you heard it.

[Joe]

You heard it. Here still is 12, Browns, 10, Ravens. What was it?

[Debo]

Nine.

[Joe]

Nine. Yep. And the Bengals, seven or six.

[Debo]

Seven or six. I. I give you. So I'll let you play with seven or six right there.

[Joe]

Yeah, please.

[Debo]

Yeah. Because I'm. I'm just trying to see where all these, like, the divisional records is gonna be. Something like, it got. Like. That's. That's.

[Joe]

I had it. Yeah. Because I had it last year.

[Debo]

Hold up. Because I had it. You had the records last year.

[Joe]

No, I didn't. I had what they did last year.

[Debo]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

Yeah. The predictions. They always thinking that people gonna win more than they did. Except for the Browns, they had us at 4, and we went 5, and y'.

[Debo]

All. And y' all went double it. Y' all held up. Y' all into the bargain.

[Joe]

We gonna double it this year, though. Good old 10. Because we losing by extra points, field goals, no telling.

[Debo]

And y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Debo]

And y' all keeping Miles. Cause y' all ain't trading.

[Joe]

We keeping Miles until right now, he's still on the squad for sure. Until somebody tries to come out there with something crazy, you know?

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. But right as of right now, we're going in with Miles, and we gonna go draft those receivers and those linemen and gonna rock out. We don't need to get nobody. The defense, fine. Corners, fine. Safety's fine. Linebackers, fine. D line, fine. We could go. We always get another interior D lineman. Okay, maybe. But besides that, offensive line, receivers, fire, then.

[Debo]

Did you need some or you had them just.

[Joe]

No, this is what we. We have all the other stuff, but we need.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

And the. In the O line.

[Debo]

I'm just. I was just.

[Joe]

I was just trying to tell you.

[Debo]

We go. We're gonna go ahead and jump into this. This super chat right here, brother. We got Duff and tail, gang. You're. What. Is that Canadian? Is that Canadian money? Somebody tell me.

[Joe]

Oh, you know, I.

[Debo]

Yes, it is Canadian money.

[Joe]

That's Canadian money.

[Debo]

That's Canadian money. Which equates to I don't know, but I know it ain't. I know it Ain't too much less, because if it was pesos, it might have. We might have been paying somebody.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

So what'd they say?

[Debo]

They said, debo, you ever come to Canada? I'm right across the river from Detroit. Windsor. The real South Detroit.

[Joe]

Oh,

[Debo]

there ain't no South Detroit. That's just Canada. That's it.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[Debo]

That's it. I have been to what part of Canada was I in?

[Joe]

I don't know.

[Debo]

I was in. It might have been.

[Joe]

Was it was Toronto? No, because I know I spent.

[Debo]

Might have been Toronto.

[Joe]

Love Toronto. Beautiful. Clean as all. No one went to the Raptors versus Cavs.

[Debo]

It was another one, too, though. Another. I actually see somebody up there in. It's one of my therapy people I see up there. Oh, man. Where is it? I would have to look. Is it Calgary? I've been to Calgary, too.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Been to Calgary and Toronto.

[Joe]

All the people I meet from Canada, been super nice. Always.

[Debo]

Yeah. And I think I stayed at the Marriott. Super Bowl 40.

[Joe]

Super Bowl 40. Was in Canada.

[Debo]

No, it was in Detroit. So you're looking at the. You looking at Canada. Oh, stayed on the river across the. Across that, you know, Detroit River.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Debo]

Covenant life. C. Back $5.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Debo]

Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Where was you at Friday? Coming to life. I need to know where you was at. We ain't used to not seeing you, Joe. Yo, fan. C. He's. His sacks drop to 7.0. What are we missing on the tape? That still makes him a nightmare for DBs. For DBs.

[Joe]

Who. For defenses. I say covered. He. He didn't. How many. How many games did he play last year? Yeah, tj.

[Debo]

Okay, you lost me with the db.

[Joe]

I'm saying. But tj, how many games did he play last year? Debo, Like.

[Debo]

Well, you gotta realize he also came back earlier than they expected from that prompt. Yeah, I don't know if he was 100 anyway. Did he do something early in the season? Did he have something happened earlier in the season?

[Joe]

I think so. We just. You. We just did this year. This is what I'm saying. You got to give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. It's like it's. You got seven. Seven db.

[Debo]

Think lost me. Maybe. She's talking about old tackles.

[Joe]

His. He got all the moves. He comes off the ball super fast. He got. He got it all. He can bend. He got hands like. He's explosive off the ball still. TJ's still a dog. It's just when he's, we just need him to be out there 16 games when he's on the, every time he produces, he's going to make something happen. He's going to make a force fumble, he's going to bat a pass down, he's going to create a sack. Tjy, every time he's on the field he's going to make an impact, especially when he's healthy. So I would just want to give him a little bit of benefit of the doubt. 1,000%. Seven sacks isn't what we look for when we look at TJ. But let's give him, we don't need seven sacks two years in a row while he's out there 16 games. If TJ's out there 16 games and hopefully let's hope he does because now it gets to the point where you are making $40 million a year. It is what have you done for me lately? Last year was seven and a half cool. Tj, we know it is what it is this year. Obviously come back out there, do what you gotta do, be a game changer, game record like I know that you can be. Because making that, that's what it applies. You know what I'm saying? So it's tough every single year just doing that. But right now, down year one time now, this year, if TJ's not giving us those numbers now, we can really have that conversation, you know what I'm saying? But I'm expecting him to come out there, play the season, all the games and just watch. He's going to get picks, he's going to have forced fumbles, he's going to have double digit sacks. And that's just what you get when you get TJ Watt on the field.

[Debo]

For sure. For sure. Joe Brown suck at Brown.

[Joe]

Oh man. Go ahead.

[Debo]

What are they talking about the Brown? No, it's, that's the usual. It said Pac man looking like George Clay Brown suck came again with $10. He said, James, you've called the current defense trash in their alignment. Is that a lack of talent on the field or have the modern NFL rules just made your brand of football impossible to play? My, my comment of trash was their actual play and yes it was scheme alignment assignment. Like we don't know what we're looking at out there and as far as where guys are supposed to feel because of how guys are are playing or, or not playing being taught. Not taught schematically. Like are you feeling where you're supposed to? Because we're seeing guys and two guys who we're also seeing guys that just are obviously getting, you know, pushed back into people. And then we have guys that looks like they're filling the wrong gap. So it looks schematically that it was just incorrect. And I know the alignment assignment things were not the same as what they were when I played. Hell, I don't even think they were same as when you played Joe. So looking at that, it's just not even, you know, nine two. It's just, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm used to looking at something different. And we'll actually have a chance to possibly talk to someone who knows what that defense actually looks like. And they have trouble sorting through just looking at it through play because of how much of it has changed. And you can't change a defense that is structured a certain way because when you change the defense, you change the roles and positions of the players and all that. You, you open up other gaps. Every defense, just like every offense has one weakness. When you try and cover that one weakness, you open up multiple other weaknesses and, you know, spots where your defense can be hurt. And I think that's what we were dealing with a lot of in the last, you know, year or two.

[Joe]

I think you want to look at it both ways. When you're saying trash, like sometimes they just weren't playing well and then sometimes, like you were saying, people being in two gaps, what is the system? What is really going on? So I think it's a little bit of both. We know the players that we had out there, they're good enough. So we're just looking at the tape, wanting to know you gotta be in your. When you say alignment assignment technique, be in your spot when you're supposed to be there, have your eyes on the right place. So a lot of that stuff is some of that individual. Some of us. Have you been coached. So we going, we're just going to be watching every week to see. But I feel like the players can make the plays. You just got to be able to do it every play because they have. Because they could be. Seen them do it before.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah. Covenant like $5. She said James, after the 100 yard return in the Super bowl was at 43, most guys would be at the club. Is it true that you were back in the gym at 6am the next day? That is not true that I was back in the gym at 6am the next day, but the day after because you stay there. And I just wanted, I wanted to remember this one, to be honest with you. So the first one that I won. Listen, I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't remember getting off the bus. I got. I got on the bus, and somebody handed me a bottle of something, and I don't remember getting off the bus. I had family, Joe. I had family come down that drove because it was at Detroit. They came down, and I guess they kicked it with me. I guess we went to Casino. We did all that, you know, and they kicked it with me all night and got up the next morning, and my mom and dad like, hey, I'm like, who? Your brother, Your sister? They came down, and I'm like, no, they didn't. I ain't see him. So that was back when you had to wait for the film to, you know, like, get developed. You know what I'm saying? So they had a little camera dude, film got developed, and I'm like, oh, my God. I'm sitting there like, yeah, hey, out of it. Out of it. And I was like, yo, if I win another one, I'm not. I'm not drinking. I'm not doing. I want to remember. So I did not. I did not drink. I wasn't at the gym. But after we got home, I did get to the gym the next day, though, for sure. Covenant. No, sorry. Brown suck is back. $5. Hey, Browns. Hey. He said, hey. Covenant life. Ask Joe the same question. What did he do after the Steelers won? Joe, what did you do after the Steelers won?

[Joe]

What. What I do to this at the stills Won What?

[Debo]

He's talking about the Super Bowl. We won in. What did you do after we won? What would you. What was you doing?

[Joe]

I don't. I wasn't a part of the Steelers organization or nothing like that, so I don't even. I was just chilling. I think I might have been out in. I don't. I don't even remember where I was at. I ain't gonna lie.

[Debo]

It wasn't a celebration for you, obviously.

[Joe]

I mean, I did. This was before I even. This. Before I played.

[Debo]

I know.

[Joe]

You know, So I was just like.

[Debo]

You just stopped. Was over with in January, and you didn't even. You didn't even know. I wasn't even played after. After. After December, the end of December. Did you.

[Joe]

I wasn't even in the. But I wasn't in the snow. I didn't do anything.

[Debo]

I wasn't saying. You finally found out that it was football played after December, at the end of December in 2017. That's when you found out, right?

[Joe]

No, I. Funny, man, Debo. Funny guy.

[Debo]

Funny guy.

[Joe]

No, I knew it was football. I was watching y' all from wherever it was at in Miami in the off season or California somewhere.

[Debo]

Okay, okay.

[Joe]

Y' all play.

[Debo]

I was watching, like, back with tonight. She said, why don't Browns fans ever have to worry about their kids running away from home to join the circus?

[Joe]

Oh, why?

[Debo]

Because. She said, because they already spent every Sunday watching a group of clowns try to handle a football. Wow.

[Joe]

Wow. Okay, coveted. Okay, coveted. Oh, now she funny. Now she a comedian.

[Debo]

Hold up, hold up. She back again. Hold up, hold up. She back again. 20, 20, 20, 20 bucks. Joe.

[Joe]

She's firing me up for the go ahead.

[Debo]

She said, james, why did Ocho stop trying to bribe the rest with the dollar? Why? Why you think? She said, why did Ocho stop trying to bribe the rest with a dollar?

[Joe]

I don't know.

[Debo]

She said, because he realized that if he really wanted to see a flag, all he had to do was stand within 5ft of you while they were greeting the quarterback.

[Lily Herman]

Huh?

[Joe]

Nope. Something about you.

[Debo]

Yeah, while I was greeting the quarter up.

[Joe]

Oh, while you were greeting the quarterback.

[Debo]

Yeah, they. They flagged the ball. They flagged the dog piss out of me.

[Joe]

Yeah, they did, because you was leading with that. Leading with your dome.

[Debo]

No, bro, you hit too hard.

[Joe]

If you hit too hard, you're gonna get a flag.

[Debo]

You'll get a flag. That's what it was.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

You got to realize, man.

[Joe]

No, for sure, for sure.

[Debo]

If it look.

[Joe]

If it looks too bad.

[Debo]

Listen, dude, they were trying. They was trying to get out of that lawsuit. They knew it was coming up. That's what it was, man. They're trying to protect their money, man, because prior to that, they making the big hits videos on it. You got jacked. All that other stuff.

[Joe]

Jacked up.

[Debo]

Yes, yes. Act up. All that you like. Come on, man. The picture of me popping him. They had it up already selling it. They only took it down after I said something about it. That's it.

[Joe]

Yep. Bruh, you was out there hitting them Brown suck, cat.

[Debo]

Brown suck. I'm just telling you the names.

[Joe]

Yeah, you Screams just.

[Debo]

I guess that's how many times y' all just read what went over the career of y' all organization. $10 said, I enjoy the show so much, but these damn ads are out of control. By the way, the Steelers. His skit it. By the way, the Steelers will be.

[Joe]

Get.

[Debo]

Will be going to the playoffs this year, and we will have number seven with Will Howard

[Joe]

when I'm. I'm not.

[Debo]

What do you think of that? What do you think of that, Joe?

[Joe]

I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it. I like, I. I like Will come

[Debo]

out there and give us. Look, we're being gay.

[Joe]

And if Will comes out, defense come

[Debo]

and give us what the defense is known to be able to give us, we got it. We got a damn good shot against seven.

[Joe]

Got us team, bro. The players, the names. Everybody got to go out there and perform like we got. Like, if you just looked at it on paper, paper looks amazing. Then we just need like we said that quarterback, if it was a rod in there. And I think this team that we have is better than the team that we had last year on, like just far as filling up as far as cornerback on paper. So if coaches out there, I think,

[Debo]

I think, I think we have a better group all around.

[Joe]

I think we have a better group all around. So if you go out there and everybody goes out there and performs to the level, everybody does the best that their job, what they can do. I'm not asking nobody go out there and do above and beyond what we believe that they can do or what we've seen them do before. Like, everybody goes out there and locks in, plays on their thing, plays complimentary football. Special team.

[Debo]

You're going to be. You're going to be taught the right things. You're going to be. Everybody's going to be teaching the same thing. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Yeah. You always been in the mix, so you know what I'm saying now it's like get over the edge. Those games that you lose by a little. No, we find a way to win those games and that's how you get to that 14 and three, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not too difficult.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah. Come to life. Back again. $10. She said I missed y' all because I had a physical. That's why she missed.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

She said, I watched the replay and James, leave Joe's children alone. But she also said, Joe, yes, coach him up. But I am for the baby Sons team. The Stillers.

[Joe]

Yes. Thank you. You know the Stillers. She did say, okay, the Stillers team. Okay, Both teams. I got two teams. My boy, man, my son was born in the land.

[Debo]

Hey, I'm just saying, bro, she know who she fold. We got it. We got another one right here. Canada back Duff intel gang year 27.99 Canadian.

[Joe]

Love it.

[Debo]

Joe. One of my buddies is a die hard Browns fan and I'm obviously on the Good side. Yes, sir. You are obviously on the good side. And when we signed you in 17, he was sad you left, but happy for you because he said they did you dirty. Please tell him it's okay to be a Stiller.

[Joe]

Wow. It is. It is. I appreciate you. It is okay. It is okay to be a Brown. It is okay to be a student.

[Debo]

No, it's not.

[Joe]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It's okay to be a Stella. Hey, y' all all welcome me in there.

[Debo]

It's okay.

[Joe]

Y' all welcome.

[Debo]

Hey. It's essential to be a Steeler. You would have never knew what it felt like. You would have went your whole career and you would have had nothing. Nothing but the Browns to remember. You would have had nothing. You would have had no feel. You would have knew nothing about what legacy is. You would have knew nothing about.

[Joe]

Don't do that. I do. No legacy of losing.

[Debo]

Oh, gosh. You would have never even seen a Lombardian person. You got to walk by sex of them every day. Walk by in your facility. Legendary. A legacy. Legacy.

[Joe]

It just sucks. I didn't get to. You know what it did. I didn't get to bring one to either squad, so I. It didn't matter. Those are other people's trophies. Those are your trophies. Those are Joe Green's trophies, you know, so I wasn't able to bring one to Cleveland. I wasn't able to bring one to Pittsburgh. I'm out there walking. I'm out there play pimping, walking by Yalls trophies. So get out of here, Debo. Don't want to hear. Don't want to hear. I'm already, you know, I'm trying.

[Debo]

You know, you would have never knew what it felt like to actually be like, yo, we got a chance of winning the super bowl every year. You know what it feels like to say it. You know what it feels like to say it, but actually be there when it's time that the group is made. That's go going.

[Joe]

You know what it was. You know what it was, though, Deebo, Because I was so freaking good in college that I had to get drafted to a team that wasn't as good yet. So when you go first round, seventh pick, sometimes you can't go to the best teams yet. You know what I'm saying? I was trying to go. You know what I'm saying? That's why I think that's really understand. That's why. Okay.

[Debo]

That's why I made sure that I'm like, you know what I'm gonna Go to a smaller school. Yeah. Don't draft.

[Joe]

Go to the best team ever.

[Debo]

I don't want to be drafted. You know why? Because I want to go where they already good organization that I know know how to do it. Not a team that you was drafted by that still can't do it, ain't never did it and will never be able to do it.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

You know.

[Joe]

Okay. Yeah.

[Debo]

Joe, you could have played that 30

[Joe]

years and it still wouldn't have did it, huh?

[Debo]

It still. It still wouldn't have made no difference.

[Joe]

Joe.

[Debo]

Unit. But, you know, it takes 10, $2. What you say, Joe?

[Joe]

It takes a team.

[Debo]

It takes a team, but y' all don't know how to build one over there in Cleveland.

[Joe]

He's trying right now. Hopefully they trying to.

[Debo]

No, he not. He been. We already went over there. Aaron Barry started. He started tripping. He back there. He in McDonald's. He might do.

[Joe]

He just tells him. Yeah, he just don't talk. He starts talking about Ty Simpson, man. Don't talk about Ty Simpson. We already got the quarterback spot right now. You was talking about the receivers. I'm happy talking about the. The. The. The tackles. Okay. Talking about defensive linemen. Okay. Yes. Let's do it. Why are we talking about quarterback right now?

[Debo]

I'm just saying, man. I'm just saying, dude, we got unit 25, 10, $2. Said, do you think we need to move 90 around more? I don't think we need to move 90 around MORE. I honestly just think the whole scheme of what we were doing, dude, was just so often so changed. Like. Like I said, I was saying before, like, when you go and you change a defense and you have a guy doing something that he doesn't do anymore. Now, I'm gonna keep it. Listen, we're gonna get the ball on here, okay? Okay. So we're gonna get Dick LeBaron here. I was trying to hold it back, but we go get him on here. Okay? But what you gotta understand is this defense right here, it gives a certain look. Now, as long as you keep that look, you got three or four other defense that look exactly the same, but it's different people coming in, different responsibilities. Now, if I change what one person is doing, I lose the effect of these three other defenses. Now, they can tell them apart. We started changing stuff. And what is Dick LeBeau's defense? You can't do that. So you lose the threat of certain things. So if you go and change him around, you're not doing anything but letting them know that he's going to like Rush from this other side because it's not defenses where he's going to be on that side. When I would switch sides, Dick Lebo had two or three other defenses where I would be on that side doing something totally different from what the one is that they wanted me on that side for.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

So we lost a lot of that in that. In that process.

[Joe]

Look, let me tell you this. Let me get back to you. Keep on talking about the Browns legacy. How about I keep on Jim Brown? We did win a championship in 64, so you gotta just. I don't care.

[Debo]

It's not even called a Super Bowl. It's called a championship.

[Joe]

I don't care.

[Debo]

I said Super Bowl.

[Joe]

I don't care. I don't care. You just gotta put. I just gotta say that.

[Debo]

Okay. You gotta say that Brown's legacy ended

[Joe]

when he was disrespect. Yes. Cause we just can't disrespect.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Just can't disrespect Jim Brown.

[Debo]

I mean, the Lions World 3 won three World Championships then too. So.

[Joe]

But look, you know what? Talk about it.

[Debo]

And the legacy ended.

[Joe]

Okay,

[Debo]

listen, listen. Barry couldn't even get one. Coldest. Couldn't even get one.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[Debo]

Couldn't even get one.

[Joe]

And that's what I'm telling you though.

[Debo]

Do you think, you know why do

[Joe]

you think Matthew Stafford, prime example, he was in there the whole time dodging and dealing, doing what he had to do for the Lions. Do you really think that it was just because of Matthew Stafford that didn't win a championship? Soon he go to the Rams team organization, he's doing his 1 11th championship. Like it's hard to win championships. There are amazing talents. Barry Sanders like you said, Calvin without one. All the Buffalo Bills that went there, Jim Kelly went there in a row, smacked. So Deebo, feel honored that you was on the team with all the amazing players with you alongside you, the amazing coaches, the amazing staff, the amazing owner.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

It took.

[Debo]

Listen, I've been trying to tell you, this took everything. Hey, it could be done.

[Joe]

Time is up. Time is up, man. I'm good. I'm good on this show.

[Debo]

Two, three. It was. It was done by the chief to Mr. Rooney, old man room to. To Art now. Hey, you know who next? Little Dan. He gonna be after that baby.

[Joe]

Yeah, Little Dan on the way. I love little Dan. Lil Dan and Lil Dana hit every part and Lil Dan have been everywhere.

[Debo]

Stop playing with me, man. Look here, man, we got, we got, we got, we Got two more we're gonna hit through real quick. Okay, we got. Oh, my goodness. We got. We got Chip one. We got Chip. Is that is. It's Chip. I think it's chip. It say CH1P. I want to say it's Chip. Debo. And Joe, if you had to build 17 no defense with current and retired players, what would you want on that squad? Dude, who would I want on that squad? Listen, I'm just gonna have to tell you. We're gonna have to come back on that one.

[Joe]

That's.

[Debo]

That's. That's more than. That's more time than we got.

[Joe]

That's the segment. I want to run that. We can run that.

[Debo]

We're running that back. We'll run that back. We'll get to y' all on that one tomorrow. And coming to life. Hit us back again. Ten lives. Do you. Do y' all cut? What? Do what y' all have.

[Joe]

Y' all have cut up.

[Debo]

I've cut up today. I'm here for it. I'm going to apply to drive the golf cart for Tyco.

[Joe]

Oh, my God. See, that's that.

[Debo]

I'm going to apply to drive the golf cart for Tiger Woods. Joe, come down to the Masters and help me root for my boy Bryson dechambeau.

[Joe]

Shamble dechambeau. Dechambo, yeah.

[Debo]

Who was Bryson dechamble?

[Joe]

This Bryson dechambeau is a professional golfer. That's nice as hell, Debo. And he's probably might try to go win the Masters. Probably. I think he might. I think he's won it before. Big time YouTuber, great golfer. I follow Bryson DeChambeau. I'm gonna be watching for show. And Tiger Woods.

[Debo]

Is Tiger gonna be able to play?

[Joe]

Brother, did you not just see Tiger woods just flip his whip?

[Debo]

They say he ain't hurt himself, so

[Joe]

that's what I'm telling you, man. This I. I love Tiger sad. You Tiger, you got too much dough. You gotta just get a driver. You got to. You got to. You don't need my man Tiger out here. Everybody wants Tiger to win for sure. And then this just flipping the car. It's a lot of car.

[Debo]

Listen, me, bro, you ain't. You don't need to be behind a wheel.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. Here's a plane. If you have a plane left and right.

[Debo]

You flipping lip like you flipping whips left. You got too much paper. Like. I don't know what it is. I know I'm a type of person. I like to drive myself. I like to drive Myself.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. But you gotta know, if I can't

[Debo]

drive, I'm gonna let somebody else drive. I tell you know what, Joe? I take it back. I'm the type of person that I would let somebody else drive me, I just don't want to pay for it. But the kind of money Tiger got,

[Joe]

I wouldn't drive Tiger Woods.

[Debo]

That's why Joe don't drive. Joe don't drive, man.

[Joe]

When I'm out there, I had to. Look, Debo, this is what I'm saying. People like to drive. Yeah.

[Debo]

You had a driver. Go ahead, tell him. You had a driver come all the way out to Cali.

[Joe]

I did have a driver. I did have a driver. And that's because every time, sometimes that was for my kids, sometimes I was for family. But ever I went out and went to the golf course, I knew I was gonna have a couple of beverages with my friends. So why would I even risk just. If you ever gonna drink, you can. People can get Ubers, all that, but

[Debo]

like, you don't like Ubers.

[Joe]

I don't mind. I don't mind Uber, but I'm like, end of the day, the Ubers are getting expensive. Uber's 150 for.

[Debo]

For TMZ said he want to drive because of privacy concerns. I understand that, but what you go and do is you go and get you NDA.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

You get you an NDA and you get you something that roll up, lock up Debo, end of it, whatever that is. I don't know.

[Joe]

Unless you just a nice little spinner,

[Debo]

whoever you with, I don't know. But my thing is get, get you get you get you a non disclosure agreement and, and keep it moving like that.

[Joe]

And it's. And that's not hard.

[Debo]

You ain't got a homeboy that you trust. You know what I'm saying? Like Debo, I'm gonna hire my ace.

[Joe]

Boom.

[Debo]

Cool. Before I go and just telling you

[Joe]

out here reckless, I'm telling you. And you can have a 24, 7. I'm talking about 247 driver on course, on command.

[Debo]

Dudes on that money he got. I've got a 247 driver. If I had that kind of Joe cooking, I ain't eating leftovers. I'm being like Tom Brady shot. I don't. They don't even know what a microwave. They don't even know how what. They don't even know what it is to warm up food no more. Tom said he ain't warmed up no food in like, seven, eight years. Eight Leftover. What?

[Joe]

Yes, brother.

[Debo]

That's all I eat.

[Joe]

Moving. They. They moving. Grooving vibe and sliding in a different type of level,

[Debo]

bro. Listen, hey, we over, over, over. Listen, we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like and download where you get your show, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Debo]

Look here, man. We'll be back here tomorrow. Y' all heard what Joe say. We go talk about that 17 0. What would our defense look like?

[Joe]

Current. Are we talking about Steelers? Are we talking about Browns? Are we talking about NFL overall?

[Debo]

Steelers.

[Joe]

Steelers. All right.

[Debo]

Why am I gonna go get somebody else when the greatest players in the world are Stillers?

[Joe]

Okay, now, you see, I got some Browns that can go on the list.

[Debo]

Who.

[Joe]

I'm. I'm gonna give you my dang.

[Debo]

All right, all right. My bad, my bad. We can talk about. We're gonna get back to it. We're gonna get back. We're gonna get. We're gonna get to it, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, tomorrow, Same time, same place, Coach.

[Debo]

All right.

[Joe]

All right, boy.

[Debo]

We out. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.