Deebo & Joe - Part 2: OBJ back to Giants? Travis Hunter expectations, NFL pushing for 18-game season

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe, Part 2: OBJ Back to Giants? Travis Hunter Expectations, NFL Pushing for 18-Game Season

Date: March 31, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Guests: Deebo & Joe

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Episode Overview

In this engaging installment, NFL legends Deebo and Joe join the Club Shay Shay table to tackle some of the hottest topics orbiting the NFL. The trio dives deep into the league’s push for an 18-game season, weighs in on Travis Hunter’s two-way role as he returns from injury, and break down Odell Beckham Jr.’s viability for a New York Giants reunion. They also get into spirited, often comedic debates about all-time defenses, contract negotiations, player financial advice, and answer some lively fan questions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The NFL’s 18-Game Season Proposal

[00:02–09:14]

• Robert Kraft’s Conditions: Deebo recounts how Patriots owner Robert Kraft voiced support at the NFL league meeting for an 18-game schedule, with three major conditions:

  1. Cut preseason from 3 to 2 games
  2. Add a second bye week
  3. Require every team to play 1 international game a year
     Kraft framed it as necessary for league growth, stating, “We’re sort of getting near the top with the domestic coverage. 93 of 100 programs on television are NFL games.”

• Player Association Concerns:

  • Deebo: “I was told by multiple sources… 18 games ain’t happening, period. Unless the NFLPA is willing to be locked out in 2030.” He further warns, “your new NFL executive director should be telling his players from this year forward to save 30% each year so you can last 18 months of a lockout.”
  • “If I were president... I would leave the 18 as a negotiating tactic personally.” (02:13, Deebo)

• Negotiation Leverage and Player Compensation:

  • Joe: “You can get as much as you possibly want. Because that’s what they want…if we want to hold that up there as a tactic…that’s the main thing they want because they know that’s going to bring the money.” [02:47]
  • Roster size, minimum salary, and longer healthcare are crucial asks for players.
  • They both stress the financial reality for players—Joe points out the need for intentional saving and Deebo shares personal experiences: “My first contract, bro, if it came in, I spent it…When I started actually getting some money…if I get it, I stack it, I invested.” [07:21, Deebo]
  • A Memorable Quote: “How many dudes you don’t hear with the next contract coming in, don’t get it.” [09:02, Deebo]

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2. Travis Hunter’s Recovery & Two-Way Role

[09:14–18:34]

• Background: Hunter is coming off a knee injury and will reportedly take more reps on both offense and defense after being medically cleared.
• Joe’s Take:
  • “I don’t think it’s smart at all…he has the skills to be an All-Pro, but for me, I want him to find his craft…You can be okay at everything, or you’re going to be great at something. I think he could be great at cornerback.” [09:57–16:13]
  • He compares Hunter to elite cornerbacks like Patrick Peterson and emphasizes his playmaking ball skills.
• Deebo’s Take:
  • “I’m 100% against it because of the health issue…being cleared is a whole lot different than being back to 100% and coming off major surgery.” [16:13]
  • Advocates for minimizing risk of re-injury, warning about overloading Hunter’s recovering knee.
  • “If the reps [on both sides] equal what it would be as far as being just one side…you defeat the purpose...he doesn’t get the time needed on both sides to be able to play the position at his highest level.” [17:44]

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3. Odell Beckham Jr. – Should He Return to the Giants?

[18:34–21:19]

• Latest News: John Harbaugh confirmed discussions about potentially bringing OBJ back to NY.
• Joe:
  • “I think he could…be legitimate. He still got the hands, he’s still got the vertical. I think it would be a great spot for him to finish his career. Not just a good story...” [19:02]
  • Sees OBJ as a solid #3 option and mentor, especially with emerging talents like Malik Nabers.
• Deebo:
  • “It comes down to what the term of ‘effective’ is…If he can be a third option, and accept the role and pay, then he can be effective. But…he’s not going to be the Odell that was there…” [19:56–20:09]
  • Both agree OBJ’s value lies in accepting a reduced “swan song” role.

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4. Lively Listener Q&A and All-time Defenses

[21:32–38:38]

• Nickname Debate:

  • Fan calls Steelers’ new QB “Country Club Will Howard.”
  • Deebo: “That ain’t Pittsburgh, ain’t country club…that sounds soft, right?” [22:02]
  • Joe deflects with humor about being called “Country Club Joe Hayden.”

• Historic Defense Debates:

  • Joe runs through his all-time Browns defense, dropping names like Clay Matthews Jr. and Hanford Dixon.
  • Deebo builds an all-time Steelers D: “Casey Hampton…the coldest nose to everything…Joe Greene and LC Greenwood…Jack Lambert and Ham…Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd…Mel Blunt and Rod Woodson.” [27:28–29:01]
  • They later debate greatest all-time NFL defenses, with names like Bruce Smith, Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Reggie White, and Ronnie Lott.
  • Quote: “My squad is fire…It’s just—it’s ridiculous.” [38:21, Deebo]

• Personal Memories:

  • Joe reveals he stored his Browns gear instead of burning it after switching to the Steelers:
    “I put my stuff in the memory box…because I knew this time would pass…” [45:15, Joe]

• Family Values:

  • Deebo on lessons for his kids:
    “Never give up, never surrender…When they say you can’t do it…prove their ass wrong.” [42:48, Deebo]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Player Savings During Labor Uncertainty:

  • “If you’re not ready and able to be locked out for 18, you are sitting. And they know.” [04:38, Deebo]

• On Travis Hunter’s Position Battle:

  • “You can be okay at everything, or you’re going to be great at something. And I think he could be great at cornerback.” [15:45, Joe]
  • “Being cleared is a whole lot different than being back to 100% and coming off a major surgery.” [16:13, Deebo]

• On OBJ’s Potential Return:

  • “If he can be a third option, depending on if he’s willing…then he can be effective.” [20:07, Deebo]
  • “It would be a nice…what they call it? A swan—Swan song.” [21:11, Debo & Joe]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:02: Start – NFL pushes for 18-game regular season; Deebo’s and Joe’s perspectives
• 09:14: Travis Hunter conversation – pros/cons of using him as a two-way player post-injury
• 18:34: OBJ reunion with Giants – can he still make an impact?
• 21:32: Listener Questions – Steelers/Browns defense, “Country Club” nickname debate
• 27:28: Steelers and Browns All-Time Defensive Lineups
• 34:35: Pivot to NFL history all-defense teams
• 42:47: Deebo’s reflection on family and legacy
• 45:14: Joe and Deebo discuss how to handle team transitions

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Tone & Language

• Conversational, playful, candid, and laced with football insider wisdom.
• Frequent, sometimes humorous ribbing between hosts.
• Heavy on experience-driven advice and personal anecdotes.

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Summary

This Club Shay Shay episode delivers a compelling mix of NFL news insight, player-to-player mentorship, and classic locker room debates. From the real stakes of collective bargaining to the timeless “who’s your all-time defense?” arguments, Deebo and Joe keep it real, practical, and fun. For anyone curious about the future of the NFL, the pressures facing players off the field, or just wanting to relive some legendary protections and squabbles, this episode is packed with moments not to miss.

Transcript

[Podcast Host]

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[Debo]

Guaranteed Human the Patriots Robert Kraft voice support for 18 game NFL regular season at the annual NFL league meeting. But he laid out three conditions. He said, hey, we gonna cut the preseason from three games to two. We go add a second bye in half and every NFL team play one international game per year. Kraft framed the expansion as necessary for league growth. We're sort of getting near the top with the domestic coverage. 93 of 100 programs on television or NFL games. Of course the NFL PA have pushed back on that, citing player safety and health. Now I will say this. I was by multiple sources that are on the board that 18 games ain't happening, period. But I believe that to be 100% unless the NFLPA is willing to be locked out in 2030. Okay? Now if that's the case and you're willing to do that, your new NFL executive director should be telling his players from this year Forward to save 30% each year so you can last 18 months of a lockout. That'll give you what, 120% of your yearly salary. So you should be able to do that. But I doubt that is happening. But that's what needs to happen. And if you're listening, new NFLPA executive director JC Treader and current president Jalen May. Jalen Reeves Mabin, you know, I hope you're looking at the history of what Gene Upshaw did and how the process was going to go and all that. You know, now if I were president, you know what I'm saying, I would leave the 18 as a negotiating tactic personally.

[Joe]

You know how much you can get it.

[Debo]

It would not be without major changes, roster size, minimum salary increases, which is going to raise the cap and longer healthcare benefits. Because after you done playing, dude, this game and that five years is up because you only get five years of coverage once you're done playing. It is hard. What do you think, Joe, of 18 games, you think that's good for football?

[Joe]

I mean, I think what you said, if you keep it up for negotiating tactics, you can get, I mean that's the tactic where we can be able to get as much as we possibly want. Because that's what they want. You know what I'm saying? The owners and them, they want another game for sure. And when you're saying if we want to hold that up there as a tactic, you talk about getting as much as you possibly can and making sure just for the players, like health benefits, all that stuff, the, the rosters size, making sure like that's something that if you Want to get. We get one more game, there's so much that we can be able to really like, get, you know what I'm saying? Because of that game. Because that's the main thing they want because they know that's going to bring the money and for us, health benefits you can look at. And it could be a tactic where we can get as much as we possibly want. So I, I don't think that we will be too, too, too much against it. I'm thinking, like, I heard something that they were looking like players can only play 17 games. Would they keep it like little things like that? Just. Do you think that's a possibility? A possibility?

[Debo]

No, no, that's just. They're not going to be 18 games. Players can only play 17. That they're not going to do that. And that's something else. Like, yo, you want to move to 18 games? You want, you know, you want to cut out a preseason game, okay, cool. But you go, you, you go pay my guys for that extra regular season game. You're not just go cut. They pay over 17 weeks like you did last time when you kicked the game to 17. You go increase another week of pay, whatever that base is for them right now, okay. Under the current contract that they have guys that re. That negotiate under 18 game schedules, they will have theirs built in because they're negotiating under 18, not 17.

[Joe]

So you basically, whatever their contracts are divided by 17 and whatever that number is, add it on, add it on, add it on.

[Debo]

Because if you're not ready and able to be locked out for 18, you are sitting. And they know.

[Joe]

I think that's, that's the one thing you were saying too, the next would be the next contract negotiation is the 2030. So like you said, starting right now is when he got to start telling them of stacking up that paper. Like when you're making your money throughout the year, I think hopefully now, did they cut it, did they break it up so you can make it throughout the whole year, or do they still do it, that you just get paid throughout the season?

[Debo]

You get paid throughout the season. But what I'm saying, when you get your pay, you personally as a responsible adult, fiduciary responsibility for yourself and your family, save 30.

[Joe]

Oh, no, no. For sure, for sure, for sure. Thousand percent. One thousand percent.

[Debo]

Debo.

[Joe]

Thousand percent. I was just asking how are they still getting their checks out? Because I'm like, they need to as a grown adult. No, like, that's the dudes that's getting in. They looking Crazy all the way till the end of the season. Like you said, it doesn't matter how it's kind of getting dispersed. You still have to save 30%. Whether you get it in four months or whether you get it in 12,

[Debo]

well, you're still going to get paid. You get paid your pay over the regular time. You see what I'm saying? I'm saying the season starts September. You start getting paid from there till, what is it, January. Now take 30% of what you paid there and save.

[Joe]

I know, I know what you're saying.

[Debo]

Next year, save it. Yeah, saying we're not looking for checks coming from the NFL. The NFL PA is telling you to save your money so you can withstand 18 months. That's what he needs to know.

[Joe]

I completely understand what you're saying. I'm just saying the breakdown of the checks now though, they sometimes you can get paid throughout longer, like eight months instead of just the four months throughout the season.

[Debo]

Oh, they do that now?

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. It kind of helped them out. Cause when you getting it through the

[Debo]

season, well, you, you don't want to do that because if you get locked

[Joe]

out, for sure, for sure. But no matter what, no matter when you get it, you still want to be able to save it. Because when you get locked out, that's. You're not getting checks for that whole year at all. So we're saying the same thing. I'm just trying to say that, that they switched it up from just being that four month paid that you just get paid during the season where dudes are looking at already like, dude, how are you looking crazy? You're getting that whole thing during this time. But you don't, it doesn't come in and go out like, what is your monthly expenses? You need to have that thing set up because you're not nobody listening.

[Debo]

You know how to go.

[Joe]

Trust me. And that's why I was stating it like I was because I'm like, they got to save that. But you talking about dudes who's trying to wait till next year, like, man, when we start getting paid again, I'm like, dang, like, what do we mean? There was nothing like you just went

[Debo]

through the whole trying to do, you know, you got anything? I could do an appearance, assigning or something, you know, talking to the team so I could get the rent, pay all this. I'm like, damn, bro, like, I made, I made 60. I made 60,000 last for almost two years. And on practice squad while I was sitting in and out going through, you know, NFL, Europe and all that. I'm like, y' all boys running through how much? Oh, we. But like I said, when I started actually getting some money, my first contract, bro, if it came in, I spent it. You know what I'm saying? I ain't really stop and be like, yo, I gotta save something. My thing was like, yo, I'm gonna run it till it go, and then when it go, it go. And then I get a regular job, man. I had my son, and I was like, oh, my God, if I get it, I stack it, I invested. And that's. And that's what I did, brother. Like, from that second contract, that is what I do.

[Joe]

They just don't. Don't know. They go and not even get a house. Just go renting cribs and not buy a house. You just need to. You know what I'm saying? So when you get out of there, you have a place to lay your head. You've rent all these big old cribs and 20,000 mile, like, that's. You're just blowing money. You giving that money to the owner. The dude that owns the house is getting your check. He's taking care of his mortgage, tucking some.

[Debo]

And, like, it ain't number 20,000. You know, I'm pulling in 100 and, you know, I'm pulling in 130, 140 years every two weeks or something, you know, saying, I'm good. Nah, bro.

[Joe]

Next thing you know that next year, that next contract you think is going to come, and they don't, you're like, yeah, I'm just do this, do this. Because my next time, next contract, when I get that one, then that's when I'm gonna stop.

[Debo]

How many dudes you don't hear with the next contract coming in, don't get it.

[Joe]

You better just act like this your last one right now, no question.

[Debo]

Travis Hunter. So they said whenever Travis Hunter, he. You know, he had the injury. Whenever he's cleared to return to practice this spring, he will be spending more time on each side, taking reps on both sides of the ball, they said. A change from his rookie season, where he spent a bulk of the OTAs and many camps on offense. Hunter will be coming off season with the knee injury, of course, and when he is medically cleared to return to OTAs, they go have him going both ways. Joe, do you think this is a smart move for them to do when he's just getting cleared to come back?

[Joe]

I don't think it's smart at all.

[Debo]

Why not? Why not?

[Joe]

We already seen my man. He's I love Travis Hunter and now I'm realizing too at the end of the day, NFL game is different than the college game. I thought I was going to be the one to let him play both sides of the ball. I need him to for me. I want him to find his craft, get him a spot, get good at the craft, try to become an all pro, All Pro Bowler because he has the skills to do it. I think receiver and or db. But if you don't put him in one position where he can really like go thrive, really just study tape, really try to be the best that he can be. I think that we're doing the

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[Joe]

at corner like last season his rookie year it was cool.

[Debo]

He was good.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying? Nothing too crazy. So we wouldn't think he was one of the best corners in the league. Receiver Cool. Okay. All right. You know what I'm saying? He's just kind of not, not a guy but just okay. And I think Travis Hunter is way better than okay. I think he has the ability to be one of the best players at corner and or maybe something I don't know. I think receiver he'd still be really solid but for me I think he could be a top flight cornerback in the NFL. Like his ball skills the way that like the way Patrick Sertan and I say stingley the way that they move and the way that they have ball skills, the way that they can look like receivers at db, that's what he reminds me of. Patrick Peterson, just with the ball skills, the speed, the being able to contort his body, that athleticism is. A lot of receivers kind of have it. But when you're at the cornerback position, that's what makes you special. Being able to turn over the ball, being able to track the ball, being able to. I'm not. He's not holding. No, he's looking at the ball. When it's in the air, he's going to go moss the receiver and turn into the wide receiver. Like, that is a skill set that not too many corners have. They trying to break up the ball and they're just more. Just make sure he doesn't catch it. Travis Hunter is trying to pick the ball off. He's trying to turn it over. I think that's like what makes Deion in those great corners so much better. They're not just making PBUs, they're getting picks. So for me, I'm looking at it like, he can be elite at corner. He's amazing player, but it's just. You don't. You don't. You want. I want him to focus on something, get really great to where he could be setting the next contracts. I'm looking at him like, what do you want to pay him as? Like, okay, corner. You want a receiver, it's just looking at. For me, you need to be. You can be okay at everything or you're going to be great at something. And I think he could be great at cornerback just with his skills and being able to literally lock in, start studying tape, knowing what's going on, not just playing off his athletic ability. So I think if you just put him in that corner, he's not that big either. Like, he's not the biggest guy. I mean, I can see them putting him in a little bit on offense. Just sprinkles. But mostly for me, I'm having them at defense.

[Debo]

Yeah, I'm. I'm 100% against it, but I'm 100% against it because of the health issue. You and I both know and understand that being cleared is a whole lot different than being back to 100% and coming off of a major surgery. The realistic thing of it is you're not back to a normal 100 for what, 12, 18 months, sometimes a little more where you're back to. I'm not thinking about it. I'm not feeling anything. I'M not, you know, worried about it, you know, giving out and you're not putting a whole bunch of extra, you know, pressure on the other, you know, on the other body parts when it comes to other muscles. So I'm worried about the risk of re. Injury or injuring something else because your body is going to automatically try and compensate to protect that knee and putting more workload on other muscles and ligaments. So I say that simply out of a health, you know, a health and. And recovery standpoint. Yeah, that's, you know, that's just where I see it. The only way I see it being something that maybe they could possibly do is if the reps that he would take on both sides of the ball equal what it would be as far as being just one side ball. So you lower the risk of injury while still getting him, you know, to be able to play on both sides. But also, again, I think if you do that, you defeat the purpose of having him on both sides of the ball. He doesn't get the time needed on both sides to be able to play the position at his highest level, you know, and you're back in the same position as they were, you know, last year.

[Joe]

Yep. I'm with you, Debo. I mean, yeah, he. I think he's. He's. He's great, great player. You know what I'm saying? I just think that they need to get him in there. And you said too, if they weren't playing full time on defense, just splitting his time up on offense, making sure the reps are kind of the same. I'll be with it. I know they. If you need. He's. He's explosive. So I'm not mad at Jacksonville wanting to get another playmaker, so just want him to be on the offensive side of the ball. But me personally looking at his skill set, I just think he could be an elite cornerback.

[Debo]

Yeah, Yeah. I just. Health standpoint, that's the only thing I'm think I'm about. John Harbaugh, he confirmed that the team has a. Has discussed a potential reunion with free agent wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. Saying if Odell is an option, then we'll be looking at him for sure.

[Joe]

Yo, yo.

[Debo]

Do you think Odell can still be effective in the NFL?

[Joe]

I think he could. I mean, I've seen he looks still explosive. I don't think he would be a number one. I think he could be legitimate. He still got the hands, he's still got the vertical. He could still run fast, and I think it would be a Great spot for him to finish his career. Started off in New York. I think it would be a night like not just a good story. They do have Malik neighbors there if he comes back healthy, another LSU guy. Odell's not, not a bad player having him at number two. But there wouldn't be bad. I think they. Oh, I mean not two or three. They still, they still wouldn't need another. They still, they still need another receiver. But I think Malik neighbors having. Oh there as your. Like we had Thielen with the, with the Steelers, like not going to do too much crazy but still going to be able to catch the ball slot still quick secure hands, you know what I'm saying? So I think it would. Wouldn't be a bad. Wouldn't be a bad spot to go.

[Debo]

Yeah. I believe it comes down to what the. The term of effective is. You know what I'm saying? As far as what role they want him to play on this.

[Joe]

It's not going to be because he's

[Debo]

not going to be the Odell that was there, you know, the first time he was with the Giants, you know, like it ain't no way. Ain't no way in hell that's happening. But I feel like if he can be a third option, depending on if he's willing to take that or the pay, that would be a third option. One and two, accept the role, then he can be effective. So if he has a. A realistic expectation of his current abilities and willing to accept that role, yeah, I think he can excel at that. But I'm. I'm putting him at the third.

[Joe]

Are we speaking the same thing? I think Odell's realistic, Will. Where. You know, I'm saying where his. How many teams is knocking on the door, you know what I'm saying? Where he. If he wants to still continue to play in the league, you know what I'm saying? And then it's just a. I think that he would be able to be a solid three and then just being in New York, I think that would just be sweet.

[Debo]

Yeah, that would be. That'd be a nice. What they call it a swan.

[Joe]

Swan song.

[Debo]

A nice bow rapping on to the. To the end of his. End of his. Did he play last year?

[Joe]

I don't know.

[Debo]

Yeah, I gotta see. Let's see what we got cracking in the super chats, bro. Super chat. Covenant Life is back. $5. His name is Country Club Will Howard of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's go, Trip. This young man can ball and he will hit back. And I Love it. I'm great with that.

[Joe]

I like coming life.

[Debo]

But what country club? I don't like the country club. That ain't Pittsburgh, ain't country club. Like we ain't. That sounds soft, right?

[Joe]

I'm not mad at country club. I'm gonna have a country club baby. Ben was at the country club.

[Debo]

I understand but his name being country club. They called you Country Club Joe Hayden, huh? Right.

[Joe]

If he go out there balling, I'm calling.

[Debo]

They call you, they call you. They call you steel mill Joe Hayden. That sound good.

[Joe]

Okay, we gotta look, we gotta think. Look coveted life. You got to think of something. Just we country club Will Howard. I'm not because I'm a golfer. But Debo, he feels some type of way.

[Debo]

What? What what bro? What golfer you know that you have any fear of bro.

[Joe]

That's what I don't fear nobody. That's first and foremost.

[Debo]

What, what golfer would you think had a chance of beating you up?

[Joe]

Only one probably John wrong maybe and we gonna have to see.

[Debo]

That's. That's what I'm saying. Like, like what about D Chambo Dechambo?

[Joe]

Nope.

[Debo]

The Shambo? Nope. Okay. Oh okay. I just wanted to add that Liam 9087 $5 said it can't hurt to give Will another year to learn behind Aaron. Yeah, it cannot hurt but I think it was slowest process.

[Joe]

I mean then, then, then again they're going to have another fight next year. It's going to be what will Howard. Then we're going to need to draft another quarterback because it's not going to be Aaron Rodgers. It's going to be this same story until we get him out there to either see if he can go or not play him and then you know

[Debo]

that's, that's just if we get him, I still need to see him reps of the one I want, I want time split. We know Aaron. He don't need a lot of practice. We want to see what he can do.

[Joe]

What do.

[Debo]

Yeah. I won't, I won't, I won't time. I won't rep split at least to give him connection with the ones you know and timing everything. That, that would be a big thing. Covenant life back again. $5 from the question yesterday my player picks would be the Steelers 2009 defense move Aaron Smith and give me Justin Tuck of the New York Giants. Oh oh nah, she tripping. Oh the, the. What was the one yesterday we was supposed to do?

[Joe]

The teams.

[Debo]

Teams. Give me oh give me your Browns team bro. Your defense please.

[Joe]

See, I. I got some old players, though. We had to go back when we won our. It was. Man, it was back in the day. 46 to 53. When we won the championships. Back in the day fl. Yes. Yep. And then we switched over to the NFL for a couple of my plays.

[Debo]

Hey, let's see how many. Let's see how many names people know of what you said. Okay. I did say NFL, but they play

[Joe]

in the NFL, too. They did both. Yep. Okay, first one, I'm gonna go. Bill Willis.

[Debo]

What position?

[Joe]

Defensive lineman. College Football hall of Fame. And he's in the NFL hall of fame. 1977. NFL all decades. 1940s.

[Debo]

Hey, man, stop trying to give me accolades. I want to see if people know the name. Just give me the name of the

[Joe]

Lynn Ford from D.C. defensive End. We got Michael Dean Perry.

[Debo]

Y' all let me know.

[Joe]

Michael Dean Perry. Little brother. Little brother.

[Debo]

Any Browns fans out there? I know it's very few.

[Joe]

We got Clay Matthews, Jr. Linebacker.

[Debo]

I give you Clay.

[Joe]

I give you Clay. Okay, we got Hanford Dixon, the original dog. Original dog, first round. Okay. All right.

[Debo]

I met him.

[Joe]

We got the other. His. His. They were ranked the second best duo in NFL history for corners. Him and my man Frank Minifield. Hanford Dixon, Frank Medifield, the establishers of the dog pound.

[Debo]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Joe]

Okay, we got Miles Garrett Day.

[Debo]

Okay, I give you him. No question.

[Joe]

Present time, no question.

[Debo]

Okay, I'll give you him. And.

[Joe]

Because when. And then I put. I honestly. I put. Who else I put there. I put. I put me. I put me there because I'm putting. Because the cornerbacks I got. I got my man Hanford Dixon. He might be playing like some. Some safety for us, but I got. I got.

[Debo]

I got you me. I got you there, Joe.

[Joe]

And then I got one. And I got one more live player that's playing, right. No, I got the Quail Jackson linebacker. I'm gonna go to Quail Jackson from the crib. I know you know dq. Okay. Okay, I'm gonna go. Dq.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then I'm gonna go with one more present player. I'm gonna go with Denzel Ward. I'm gonna go with Denzel Ward because we're gonna have Hanford play to safety, one of the safeties. We gonna have Frank Menafield play the slot. We gonna have me and Denzel play outside.

[Debo]

I mean, you doing a lot. Okay, so now give me your other team, the Steelers.

[Joe]

No, no, no. You good.

[Debo]

I'm give you mine. I'll give you mine. I Give you mine. I'll give you mine. All right. Obviously, we play a three, four. Okay. Okay. I already told you. Casey Hampton, the coldest nose to everything.

[Joe]

Okay, I'm gonna put. He's gonna go with Mike. He going with my man Michael being Penny. Okay.

[Debo]

He. He going at the nose. Okay. Now I'm gonna take Joe Green and LC Greenwood and put them at my.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, we will. I will.

[Debo]

Then you know what I'm doing with the inside?

[Joe]

Who you going inside?

[Debo]

Putting both jacks there. Lambert and Ham.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay. Yep.

[Debo]

You know what I'm doing on the outside? Because I like, I like, I like. I want to hear aggressive, roasted, nasty. They fear Kevin Green and Greg Lloyd on the outside. Okay, okay,

[Joe]

okay. Keep going. What you gonna do? Who your corners? Who your corners?

[Debo]

Corners. Mel Blunt and Rod Woodson.

[Joe]

Okay, that's okay. Yep, yep, I'm right.

[Debo]

I know who I'm going at. Safety. Hey, it's over with. I have to explain none of them names. I have to explain none of them names.

[Joe]

That's a good squad. That's a good squad.

[Debo]

Give me your Steeler squad, Joe.

[Joe]

No, man. I just wrote down my brown squad because I knew you was gonna have the Steeler squad.

[Debo]

You ain't replacing nothing then, right?

[Joe]

Only person I'm. So Troy gonna be the safety, and then I'm gonna have. I might go. Yeah. No, no, Troy. Safety. Corners. Mel Blunt and Rod. I'm. I'm. Look, I'm Frank and Hanford and Frank. I'm not. But I'm not moving none of them. No. Rob Wilson is 70.

[Debo]

I'm talking about for my Steelers lineup. We go do the history one. Next we go do intercourse.

[Joe]

For. Yeah, for. I'm putting. Give me, give me, give me, give me. TJ Watt at one of the inns

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

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[Debo]

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[Debo]

Who you taking out?

[Joe]

Not nine.

[Debo]

You can't. Outside linebacker. You gotta take out one of my.

[Joe]

Who's your outside linebackers?

[Debo]

Kevin Green. Greg Lloyd. Let me read

[Joe]

somebody. Gotta go. Which. Which one are you moving? You're not moving either one.

[Debo]

I told you my lineup, bro. Now, if I. If I. If I had.

[Joe]

If you had to choose them.

[Debo]

Kevin Green got 160.

[Joe]

160.

[Debo]

Okay. Kevin Green got 160. G. Lloyd. I like the demeanor. Nasty.

[Joe]

How many you got?

[Debo]

Okay. That I. I. I ain't.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Okay. So if I had to replace one just because you want a better tattoo, I go tj.

[Joe]

Okay. I think, honestly, from your list, the only person that I will probably replace would be. Would be tj. I think your list, your core, your corners, and your safety. There's nothing to be said. Yeah, yeah. Yo, yo, Your whole team is fired.

[Debo]

No question. Joe, give me. Give me your all defense because y'. All. Y' all do a four. Three, right?

[Joe]

Yep.

[Debo]

Okay. Give me your all NFL history defense. The one that you say, go run that thing. Seventeen. Zero.

[Joe]

Okay. Bruce. Bruce Smith. Okay, Miles. We're at Bruce Smith. My. Miles Garrett.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Middle of my defense, my middle linebacker, Ray Lewis.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

My corners is gonna be Deion Sanders. And I'm gonna go Charles. Charles Wilson. Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Troy and Ed at my safeties.

[Debo]

You biting my bro.

[Joe]

I'm just out here telling you the best. The best. The best to do it. So, you know, if you think a

[Debo]

lot of AFC north, right? There ain't no Browns, and there ain't few Browns in there.

[Joe]

Go ahead, Ch. Ray. Mounds. Browns. I'm gonna go SAP at my nose. What I'm missing.

[Debo]

You gave me your corners. You gave me your. You g. Y' all only do three linebackers.

[Joe]

You only gave me one Ray Lewis. I'mma go.

[Debo]

Y' all do two tackles and two ends. You ain't got no nose.

[Joe]

All right, so tackle. Tackle's still gonna be sapped. Stacker's still gonna be SAP.

[Debo]

Yeah. Who your linebackers besides Ray? Oh, man.

[Joe]

What's my man? Patrick Willis.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

And Luke Keakley.

[Debo]

Luke Kikley. Okay. All right, so I gonna have to give you my. Of course. This is a 3 4. Okay, I told you my nose is him. Okay, all day now. I told you I'm putting. I'm putting Mr. Green on my hand. And then you know who else I'm throwing there? Reggie White.

[Joe]

Okay, that's. Okay, a note. That's.

[Debo]

Hey, you know who I got on our side, right? Lawrence Taylor and Kevin Green.

[Joe]

Ah, see, I think. I think I called. I meant. When I said Bruce Smith, I meant Lawrence Taylor. I meant Lawrence Taylor.

[Debo]

Stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. You can't meant nothing. Now listen here, man. I'm gonna go ahead, I'm gonna put Ray on the inside with guess who.

[Joe]

Who?

[Debo]

Mike Singleton. Oh, I told you my defense could be nasty, disrespectful. I need my corners to lock it down. I'm gonna go ahead and see what Reevis island doing with Deion Sanders.

[Joe]

So I just went with Charles and you.

[Debo]

And. And I. I was saying Ed Reed and Troy, but I like. I like Ed for those ints. I love Troy, but I want a little bit of a nastier demeanor. Give me Ronnie Locke.

[Joe]

I can respect that. Just cause you chopped his whole finger. Just because he talk about you got fingers, don't need them.

[Debo]

That's.

[Joe]

That's very sad. Singletary Savage. Can't win with

[Debo]

it. Won't do it. Refuse to do it.

[Joe]

Singletary wild man, you got the crash out.

[Debo]

So let's go ahead, baby. Now my squad is fire, baby. It's just. It's ridiculous, you know, your squad. I was trying to think. Yeah, it's good.

[Joe]

My squad was fire. I just messed up. I mean, no disrespect to Bruce Smith, but I got. I meant lt. Like I said, Like I said.

[Debo]

It's okay, man. It's okay. It is okay. Yeah. We got Liam back $5 with the first pick in the 2027 NFL Draft. The Cleveland Brown select.

[Joe]

Who? Joe with the first pick in the draft. The Cleveland Browns.

[Debo]

2027, though. This is next year.

[Joe]

Oh, 2027.

[Debo]

You don't get it.

[Joe]

No, because you're trying to say we picking a quarterback.

[Debo]

No, they're saying you're the first pick. You're picking first.

[Joe]

We lost a lot of games.

[Debo]

Dang funny. 32 or 30.

[Joe]

Ain't no way.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah. Listen, man. It's okay, Joe.

[Joe]

He ain't gonna have the first pick.

[Debo]

That's crazy quick. Hey, hey, liam. Appreciate that. Quick. 201. $10 said. Hey, Debo and Joe, what about a certain NFL scout from the Steelers whose son's going to be in the draft? This year, I predict we will get him in the third round. Initials it. Who is that?

[Joe]

I don't know, Coach.

[Debo]

You got to tell me who that is, quick. I don't know who that is.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Covenant life back $5.

[Joe]

Covenant.

[Debo]

Steve from the chat said the Browns will win the division for years to come if they pick Shador. If they protect. If they protect Shador. Steve, please. Go back to sleep and dream on facts. Go back to sleep.

[Joe]

You know something? Keep the man standing up, right? And let's see. Let's

[Debo]

drugs alone, man, if you want to keep a job, you don't want to leave the drugs alone. Son, stop playing with me, bro.

[Joe]

Watch. Wait till y' all see when the Browns start putting up some points. The defense ain't never been nowhere. They still there. They're not going nowhere.

[Debo]

Score. I ain't never been nowhere. They forgot how to stop the run anyway. Covenant lights back with $10. She said. Joe, when you look at your brothers. When you look at your brother, Joe.

[Joe]

Josh.

[Debo]

Who is Josh? Josh face in the crowd after a game, does it ever remind you that your biggest win in life have nothing to do with the scoreboard?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

You are a great big.

[Joe]

Oh, thank you. Coveted life. Thank you. My brothers mean everything to me. I had a little talk with them dudes yesterday, talking to my brother Jordan. Two and a half hours. Always talking, chopping with my brothers, making sure they good. I am my brother's keeper. Thank you. Coveted.

[Debo]

Who is it? I'm still trying to figure out. I t I. Ivan Taylor. Ivan ain't in the draft this year. He just got to high school like two years ago. I mean, college. Two years ago.

[Joe]

Oh, you got one more year in.

[Debo]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe]

Yeah. I don't know who I choose, if not last year.

[Debo]

If he's talking about Ivan. If he's talking about.

[Joe]

See Coveted life said though he go that Will Howard say he goes to the country club a lot. He's an avid golfer, so we might. I mean, only is fitting. It's fitting. Okay.

[Debo]

I. I don't like the name. I still don't like it.

[Joe]

I ain't gonna. We're. I'm not mad at it. Ben went to the country club. Let's call him country.

[Debo]

They ain't calling country club Ben. They called him Big Ben Country Club.

[Joe]

Will Howard, get out of here, Joe.

[Debo]

I'm not going with you on this covenant like back again, man. $10, she said. When the lights are off and the 92 jersey is tucked away, what is the one thing you Want your sons to remember about your character. That has absolutely nothing to do with football.

[Joe]

Hmm.

[Debo]

What is something I want my kids to remember about my character? It's nothing that I need them to remember about my character, to be honest with you. Like they see it, I show it to them every day. Never give up, never surrender. When they say you can't do it, just listen to it and prove they ass wrong. Hey, it ain't nothing that you can't do as long as you don't tell yourself you can't do it. Self doubt is a killer. Mikey. Mike. $105. What up, Debo and Joe? If I was part of PA, we can go. If I was part of the PA is what I'm saying. We can go for. For 18 games if NFL remove franchise tax. Hell no.

[Joe]

No, no, that's not enough.

[Debo]

That ain't enough. That's why you ain't part of the

[Joe]

NFL pa. A couple people getting them drums like you tripping and that and for sure. What else?

[Debo]

Okay. Brown sucked.099 back $20. I love saying that. Love saying that. Joe by V. What? Be honest. J by.

[Joe]

What's the J by V, homie? Be honest.

[Debo]

Is. You think it's Joe.

[Joe]

All right, Be honest. The first put on the black.

[Debo]

J by VO

[Joe]

hold up. When you first put on the black and gold. Just let me see the question. When you first put on the black and gold, did you had to spend the first week apologizing to your closest, to your closest for all the Cleveland Brown to your closet, all the brown and orange, or did you just burn the old gift? No. So I put my stuff in memory box. I bought. I boxed it up, I put it in the storage, you know, because I.

[Debo]

He burned it.

[Joe]

No, I did not burn it because I knew. I knew that. I knew this time would pass. I knew the feelings would pass. You know, I was hurt at the moment. I was. I was slow to react. Didn't burn it all, just packed it all up. Storage facility.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe, listen. They burned my shit when I was doing. They burned everything up. And now I get. People ask me, hey, where can I get your jersey? I said, did you burn the last one you had?

[Joe]

See, that's what I'm saying. They were. They did go kind of crazy. It did. Nah, I didn't burn my stuff.

[Debo]

Covenant light back again. $20. She said we had. We had training from Donnie Shell at the women's Steelers camp.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

It was good. Signed football picture with him and my husband. Put it in his office and didn't even know who he was. Shaking my head. Go. Please get Troy on the show. We go try. We're gonna see what we can do.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Debo]

We're gonna see what we could do. I think that's it right there, right? We good? We good. Look here, man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download the show.

[Joe]

Yo, we will see you on Friday, same time, same place.

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