Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Patriots Super Bowl Pressure, Luka Returning from Injury, Tattoo Debate

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe, Part 2: Patriots Super Bowl Pressure, Luka Returning from Injury, Tattoo Debate

Date: April 14, 2026
Host: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker
Guests: Deebo Samuel, Joe Haden, Joe Thomas

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and honest conversation, NFL pros Deebo Samuel, Joe Haden, and Joe Thomas dig deep into the psychological and physical demands of returning to the Super Bowl after a loss, the impossible pressures faced by star players, and lessons learned from hard-earned playoff runs. The trio also gets personal and comedic about the culture and pain of tattoos in pro sports, and wraps up with a heated but respectful debate over NBA legacies, focusing on LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Their tone is raw, brotherly, and deeply informed by years in high-level locker rooms.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Real Pressure of Returning to the Super Bowl

(Timestamps: 02:59–13:59)

• Drake May’s Humble Take: The group opens with a discussion of rookie QB Drake May facing media attention and sharing how tough it is to get back to the Super Bowl after losing.
  • “It's humbling… You got to get back to work.” – Joe Haden (03:33)
• Deebo and Joe trade stories about the grind post-Super Bowl, emphasizing that everyone assumes you’ll be “right back,” but that's a misconception.
• Statistics Revealed:
  • “Only three teams in history have gone back after losing the super bowl to win it the next year… No second-year quarterback that went to the Super Bowl and lost has ever gone back.” – Joe Haden (04:48)
• Team Changes & Unpredictability: They underscore how every year the team shifts – “You don’t know who’s going to be there. You don’t know what’s going to happen.” – Deebo Samuel (06:10)
• Personal Motivation: Joe Haden recounts how losing drives players much harder.
  • “I might have took, like, a week off, bro. Everything I did was just repeating that game in my head… I never watched that Super Bowl we lost.” – Joe Haden (09:54)
• Target On Your Back:
  • “When you win, you’re the one that got the target on your back now.” – Joe Thomas (11:01)
  • “Everybody giving you they A game.” – Deebo Samuel (11:14)

2. Coaching Respect & Locker Room Reality

(Timestamps: 14:01–24:46)

• Raheem Mostert’s comments about player-coach respect and occasional locker room altercations (physical and verbal, even hands being put on coaches).
  • “I don't need somebody MF and me and telling me what to do. Especially head coach, 'cause I'm gonna probably talk to him sideways.” – Anonymous Player (14:25)
• The consensus: Everyone needs accountability and tough coaching, but there’s a line between coaching hard and disrespect.
  • “You can cuss at me…but you can’t cuss me out. All this other stuff. Soon as you do that, it’s over." – Joe Thomas (22:51)
  • “We're professionals also. We know when we did wrong before even the coach knows.” – Deebo Samuel (23:28)
• Veteran players reflect on the generational differences in locker room culture.

3. Epic NFL Tattoo Stories & The 'Tattoo Debate'

(Timestamps: 25:35–34:14)

• The crew reacts to Jaguars WR Parker Washington’s full-body tattoo session, launching a candid, hilarious debate over the pain and meaning of tattoos in the league.
  • “My back tattoo…I only got the lining done because it hurt so bad. I had the lining for three years!” – Deebo Samuel (29:11)
• Modern extremes: Multiple artists working at once, sleeping through the session with anesthesia provided at a dentist’s office.
  • “You could get a tattoo and dental diamond at the same time, under anesthesia!” – Deebo Samuel (27:22)
• “If it’s worth it for me to put it on my body, it’s worth it for me to go through the pain to get it.” – Joe Haden (32:41)
• Discussion on tattoo count, pain threshold, anesthesia, and whether tattoos should be earned through sitting for the pain.

4. Luka Doncic’s Return from Injury and Stem Cell Treatments

(Timestamps: 34:14–43:50)

• News breaks that Luka Doncic is returning after a hamstring injury, having traveled to Spain/Germany for cutting-edge regenerative therapies.
  • “He received multiple injections…into his grade two left hamstring strain.” – Joe Haden (34:19)
• Deep-dive on athletes seeking advanced treatments abroad—pros, cons, and regulatory differences (stem cells, peptides, exosomes).
  • “Germany, traditionally led in…cutting edge medical treatments.” – Joe Haden (35:29)
  • “They trying to crack down on peptides and all that.” – Joe Haden (36:50)
• The group connects this elite care to LeBron’s legendary longevity and health investment.
  • “Bron dropping…damn near a million and a half, 2 million a year.” – Joe Haden (42:54)

5. LeBron vs Jordan – The GOAT Debate

(Timestamps: 43:10–49:50)

• Is LeBron the best ever? Is Michael Jordan still untouchable?
  • “You still got Jordan?” – Joe Haden
  • “Do you think LeBron James is the second best player or do you give my. Else is better?” – Deebo Samuel (43:23)
• Nuanced discussion: Jordan’s era, LeBron’s consistency and longevity, lack of early-career help, Miami years, the championship gap, killer instinct, and different league eras.
  • “All these other dudes still got the same technology. He’s been doing it since was 16 years old.” – Deebo Samuel (43:56)
  • “He went and said, I’m just, I’m done with basketball…then he comes back and goes, three again, bro. Stop playing with me, bro.” – Joe Thomas (44:01)
• Self-aware fan perspectives; respect is shown on both sides, with minor criticisms.
  • “For me, watching, as a LeBron fan, I'm like, Bron, this is your time. Show everybody…” – Deebo Samuel (46:24)
  • “Killer instinct. He doesn’t have the killer instinct. I'm like, he does, but he just didn't go right there.” – Deebo Samuel (47:03)
• Jordan’s titles, LeBron’s overall impact — the classic debate, with both sides acknowledged.

6. Super Chats & Fan Comments – Rapid Fire

(Timestamps: 49:50–54:16)

• Fans weigh in, including playful roastings (Joe’s jacket called “homeless”).
  • “Someone in the chat—Joe looks homeless with that jacket on.” (53:38)
• More LeBron debate, with references to “the Decision,” LeBron’s team changes, and Cleveland’s front office issues.

7. Memorable Quotes

• “If it's worth it for me to put it on my body, it's worth it for me to go through the pain to get it." – Joe Haden (32:41)
• “Once you win, you got the target on your back.” – Joe Thomas (11:01)
• “He’s got a better chance of playing in the physicality of each other's era.” – Joe Thomas (45:09)
• “We're not saying I won't be being able to get coached up. You can coach me hard as hell. I want to be coached because that’s the thing too.” – Deebo Samuel (24:46)

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Notable Moments

• Joe Haden and Deebo Samuel swapping injury recovery horror stories and laughter about “six-piece sack, chicken nugget” sacks if they faced off against each other again (13:05)
• Tattoo anesthesia tales and the logistics of getting “knocked out” to avoid pain while multitasking dental and tattoo procedures (27:22–29:41)
• Luka’s injury regimen gets surprisingly technical, with the crew sharing real science and personal experience about advanced athlete medicine (36:08–37:13)
• LeBron appreciation & critique, including heartfelt praise for his longevity, mixed with clear-eyed reminders about Miami, Cleveland, and “killer instinct” (47:03–48:31)
• Closing camaraderie, birthday shout-outs, and playful teasing on athlete fashion (53:38–54:55)

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For Listeners

This episode offers a rare, insider perspective on the grind of championship pursuits, team culture, and evolving athlete self-care, balanced with the laughter, storytelling, and passionate debate that makes Club Shay Shay a staple. Whether you’re an NFL geek, a tattoo aficionado, or deep into NBA GOAT arguments, you’ll leave with new stories and a grin.

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[Joe Haden]

Look here, man. Drake May. They interviewed him over there at the Masters. You see it?

[Joe Thomas]

You see it?

[Joe Haden]

They had, they had him over there at the Master. They interviewed him over there at the M. They was talking about them, them sandwiches too, them ice cream sandwiches.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'mma tell you, like I told the pimento cheese. Not a fan, though. It's. But not, not, not a cheese guy.

[Joe Thomas]

I think, I think he, I think, I think he might have had a cheese sandwich, though.

[Joe Haden]

No, I'm just, I'm just talking.

[Joe Thomas]

Hey, man. Drake May says it's not easy to get back to the Super Bowl. Elon May said, I think the biggest

[Joe Haden]

thing about it, it's humbling. You go, you've got to get back to work. When you've.

[Deebo Samuel]

Whoa.

[Joe Haden]

When you're so close and within reach, you want that feeling.

[Joe Thomas]

Everybody's. Everybody says you'll be back.

[Joe Haden]

It's not that easy.

[Joe Thomas]

So we've got to get back to. We got to get back to work.

[Joe Haden]

And I'm looking forward to trying to improve, to prove to myself that I can get back and just have another year to get a chance at it. Everybody's got the same goal this time of year to get back to that game. I know. I think knowing that we were there and had a chance at it just, it's just that much more fulfilling for me being able to, to reach that. Only listen, I didn't know this though. I didn't know like only three teams in history have gone back after losing the super bowl. To win it the next year. Now this is something else I didn't know of second year quarterbacks that went

[Joe Thomas]

to the super bowl and lost.

[Joe Haden]

None of them been back yet. All the way back to Marino.

[Deebo Samuel]

Quarterbacks that went to the super bowl

[Joe Haden]

and lost second year, second year, they never went back that went to the super bowl and lost have never went back. All the way back to damn Marino, bro. It ain't his second year.

[Deebo Samuel]

Joe Burrow win his second year. Okay, wow. I didn't know that.

[Joe Thomas]

But I don't know if he switched teams, though.

[Joe Haden]

If Joe was to switch teams, I

[Joe Thomas]

probably, he probably could get back there.

[Joe Haden]

Switch teams.

[Deebo Samuel]

You ain't. That's. And you are telling the truth about that.

[Joe Haden]

Break the mold, baby.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm just saying, you talk about the Steelers won't be on the bottom of no quarterback list. But with that Being said, Debo,

[Joe Thomas]

I

[Deebo Samuel]

know hard more than you because you've been to the Super Bowl. That is harder. Like, you were one of the few and far in between people that could go a lot of super bowl appearances over there. Me, one playoff appearance. I had two playoff appearances. My second one, I didn't get to play because I had Covid, but played in the league 12 years. So, like, it's not like you just going to. Oh, unfortunately, you know what I'm saying? We missed it. The Patriots had that dynasty where they go that many times, Steelers go, you know what I'm saying? Patrick Mahomes and to Kansas City. That's why I have so much respect for what I see, because I know how hard it is to just get there. I never got there, not even close. I just made it to the playoffs and that was my thing. Because the league is. It's the best of the best. So we gotta. It's not just in your control. It's in control of everybody around you, your coaching staff. Things gotta go your way. It's just. It's just a blessing. You know what I'm saying? So it's just when you have that type of year and you're going on that run, I can only imagine how many things fail your way. And just right things, right place, right times, just stuff going the right way, opposite end. There's a lot of stuff that gotta fall. For me, it was just tough. You gotta win all those games, get to the playoffs and, you know, it's just, wow. So for Drake to understand that, and like you said, any second quarterback that went to the super bowl, it's like, you know you'll be right back. You don't know that the team might be completely different. You don't know who's going to be there. You don't know what's going to happen. So the opportunities, when you do get there, I could just take it. Take it as seriously as you possibly can because, you know, like me looking at you, we joke about it all the time, but it's a blessing. Deebo, you went and played with great teams and great coaches and great staffs. He was able to make it to that dance and really win the. Win the big thing. So it's a blessing.

[Joe Haden]

Hey, hey, Joe. I'm gonna tell you how hard it is. Like, you don't even understand the difficulty of it. Here's the thing. When you lose, you're more motivated to try and get back there. But I think guys that get there, like, you get there that second Year, it was like, oh, snap, I got here, I'll be back. And I don't realize how much work it actually take to get back there. So the first one I went to, we won. And I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe. It's gonna sound crazy.

[Deebo Samuel]

You were just chilling. You was just.

[Joe Thomas]

No, bro, I was like. I was like, this is cool.

[Joe Haden]

I'm like, but the next one, I want to be a starter, and my next one, I win, I'm like, I want to have more of a significant role.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, no, no, for sure, for sure.

[Joe Thomas]

Because in my thought process, when you're

[Joe Haden]

in, it was like, dude, my thought

[Joe Thomas]

process was like, every year, it was. It was a song they would play.

[Joe Haden]

I ain't heard it in a minute.

[Joe Thomas]

I ain't gonna even lie. But we get into the playoffs, and it'd be like, here we go.

[Joe Haden]

Pittsburgh's going to the super bowl, right?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Joe Thomas]

So every time we hit the playoffs, right?

[Deebo Samuel]

Here we go. Yeah, I know. I heard that right?

[Joe Thomas]

And then they start doing all the names and all that stuff. I'm like, I need my name to drop in there, too, you know? Yeah, yeah. Starting the next one, right? That next year, bruh.

[Joe Haden]

We didn't even make the playoffs after the win because the thought process was

[Joe Thomas]

just like, oh, we got there.

[Joe Haden]

We get there again, we ain't even make the playoffs.

[Joe Thomas]

I think when you make it there and you win it and you do all that, like, the.

[Joe Haden]

The belief is. Or.

[Joe Thomas]

Or you. You. You. You tell yourself, like, oh, yeah, we made it there.

[Joe Haden]

We'll make it there again. It's gonna be easy to get back. And then we. You know, it ain't. It ain't. And here's the crazy thing is the.

[Joe Thomas]

The. The ones I've lost just.

[Joe Haden]

Well, the one I lost and came back and played in the next year, like, we made the playoffs. Like, it was just. It was eating at me, dude.

[Joe Thomas]

I ain't even take.

[Joe Haden]

I ain't even taking no time off. I might have took, like, a week off, bro.

[Joe Thomas]

Like. Like.

[Joe Haden]

And I was like, Everything I did was just repetitive repeating that game in my head. If I was getting tired, like, I couldn't make something, I'm like, yo, you could have made. You could have did this.

[Joe Thomas]

You could have, like, everything.

[Joe Haden]

It's like, yo, push through it. Push through it. And I never watched that game, bro.

[Joe Thomas]

I've never watched that super bowl we lost. I never watched any soup. I never watched either one, like, to

[Joe Haden]

Green Bay or the.

[Joe Thomas]

The one in New England with. To Philly, I. I haven't watched.

[Joe Haden]

Not neither one.

[Joe Thomas]

And the crazy thing is the only reason I see the one, the two

[Joe Haden]

that I won is the. The play faster Heinz. It's the first one. And then the, you know, the 100 yard run back with. With Tones pass in his own.

[Joe Thomas]

So like the. The belief in your head to get

[Joe Haden]

there your second year and not win it is like, okay, we can get here again. And. And I don't think you understand. Like, like you said, you've been there a long time.

[Joe Thomas]

Like.

[Joe Haden]

And the big thing is when you

[Joe Thomas]

win, you're the one that got the

[Joe Haden]

target on your back now.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Joe Thomas]

The two times I won, bro, we didn't even make the playoffs the next

[Deebo Samuel]

year because shooting their best shot.

[Joe Thomas]

They were shooting their best shot, bro. Everybody giving you. They a game. It didn't.

[Deebo Samuel]

Huh?

[Joe Thomas]

And then listen, you so. You so pissed off. So. Only thing they'd be like, yeah, we got him.

[Deebo Samuel]

Whatever today.

[Joe Thomas]

The only thing you can shoot back with is. Yeah, whatever though. I still got this ring, man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Still won the Super Bowl.

[Joe Thomas]

I still got a stripping. You still shooting for one chasing. You know when. When you go to the ring or the money. The money is the ultimate that.

[Joe Haden]

I know his feelings hurt. I know his feelings hurt. But I got more money than you. I make more money than you. I'm like, oh, yeah, his feelings?

[Joe Thomas]

Hur.

[Deebo Samuel]

His feelings.

[Joe Thomas]

He ain't lying, though.

[Deebo Samuel]

He ain't lying. Yeah, he rich. But he hurt.

[Joe Thomas]

Hey, he hurt. You start going to that money, you done hurt that boy, Phyllis, man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, show.

[Joe Thomas]

No, but I ain't do nothing about that.

[Deebo Samuel]

I feel that though. Depot. But that joint, like at the same time when you. But did you. When you realizing it? Because when I was playing on the team, bro, when I came to the Steelers in 2017 and we went and had that bye week for the playoff game, that team was so good that I was looking at like, man, we just. It was. It was easy. It was easy. We scoring at the points. I thought we was gonna get it. Then Jacksonville got us out the way.

[Joe Thomas]

Yep. Yeah, they got y' all. About the way they started.

[Joe Haden]

They started putting them points up on you.

[Joe Thomas]

They was toting that ball, boy.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, they was doing a little bit of both.

[Joe Haden]

They was toting that rock. I'm like, what's going on?

[Deebo Samuel]

No, I know we lost Shade.

[Joe Thomas]

What is it, 45 to 48 or something?

[Deebo Samuel]

It was 45 to 43, bro.

[Joe Haden]

That.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, that was all bad. My bad. I had.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, I was. I ain't going lie to you, baby. I was fumbing up the mouth like a rabid dog, waiting on y' all to win that game to get over there to New England.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, you want to smoke?

[Joe Thomas]

I want all this.

[Deebo Samuel]

You wanted to smoke,

[Joe Thomas]

Smoke. I'll go get me another five. On, on, on Big Band, baby. I was gonna give me a five, maybe a six piece nugget because I was going against Alejandro Villain. No waver.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, yeah. Chill out, Debo. Chill out.

[Joe Thomas]

I said I was getting a five piece. I wasn't getting fine. Six piece sack, chicken nugget. Instead of it being five the most,

[Joe Haden]

it would have been six. Ben would have been sack six times.

[Deebo Samuel]

Then we had to put a double on you, man. In the chipper.

[Joe Haden]

That was with. That was. That was with the double and the chipper, man. You're gonna have to put a three piece over there. You want to stop it, man? You was gonna have to put a three piece over there. You want to stop it, brother?

[Deebo Samuel]

Respect.

[Joe Haden]

No question.

[Deebo Samuel]

Respect.

[Joe Haden]

Listen, man, former running back Raheem. What's that last name? Monster.

[Joe Thomas]

Monster. He. How you say?

[Joe Haden]

His last name?

[Joe Thomas]

Mostly revealed that players used to put hands. He said put hands. That's it. Let's see what it say. Just put hands.

[Joe Haden]

I don't know who owns with the head coach.

[Anonymous Player]

I, you know, and I. And I don't.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't want.

[Anonymous Player]

Look, I'm a 33 year old running back who's played it. I don't need a mother. I don't need somebody MF and me and telling me what to do.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right.

[Anonymous Player]

Especially head coach, because I'm gonna probably talk to him sideways too, right? You know what I mean? Like, look, I'm a grown man. I pay bills just like you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right?

[Anonymous Player]

I don't need you to talk to me like that. But I do need somebody that I. Players can respect. You know, respect go a long way. And I felt like there was a lack of respect just because he didn't. He didn't put any emphasis on trying to show respect to players or at least try to demand respect.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right? There's no boundaries. Yeah.

[Anonymous Player]

Like if you got guys that, you know, cussing coaches out on the sideline, you know what I mean? But not just one time, you know, like numerous times they even put hands on a coach. Come on. That's different now.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, Lord.

[Joe Haden]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Thomas]

They saying somebody put their hands on you, he put his hands on you. Mike McDaniels. I know he ain't.

[Deebo Samuel]

Was it like this? I know it Was a lie. I know he ain't hitting my dog up. Debo. What was he. What, this? Or did he grab you like this? Where?

[Joe Thomas]

Was it like this? Or was it like this?

[Deebo Samuel]

Was it like this? Where your shirt? Hold up, bro. Yeah,

[Joe Thomas]

that's going on. Hey, hey. Again.

[Joe Haden]

Again.

[Joe Thomas]

Now listen, he said cussing coaches out.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah.

[Joe Haden]

Putting your hands on them, all that

[Joe Thomas]

other stuff, you winning. Ain't none of this coming out. Nah, I'm gonna tell you right now, winning like you said, it covers up a lot of stuff.

[Joe Haden]

Nobody looking for nothing. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

All of a sudden you start losing.

[Joe Haden]

They trying to figure out why you're losing. Oh, so and so, coming later, so and so ain't going to this meeting.

[Joe Thomas]

He ain't doing this, he ain't doing that. No, it's been going on the whole time.

[Deebo Samuel]

The whole time.

[Joe Thomas]

You just ain't been looking because we were winning. Nobody points out looks for any. Any insufficiencies when. When you're winning now you're trying to

[Joe Haden]

figure out why are they winning. It's the same team.

[Joe Thomas]

It's the same players that.

[Joe Haden]

Oh well, so and so was doing this, whatever. He been doing that for the last six years. What the hell are you talking about? That ain't the reason.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, no, no, for sure. And that's my man Moster. I play.

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[Deebo Samuel]

he played with me in Cleveland and got. He was getting chopped. He been bounced around the league and now he was out there in Miami. So he don't have, you know, these players. Like we said, Deebo, when we start getting out here on this stuff, and sometimes you gonna hear things like that stuff happens all the time. And we just be like, oh my goodness. Like, I can't believe I really just saw that happen, actually. But you don't say a dam. Keep it pushing and mind your. Like, it just. It is what it is, bro.

[Joe Thomas]

It's headlines that you see and you're like, brother. What? What? And you like, oh, yeah, they did. Everybody else like, no, no way.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm like, okay, bro, you talking about that over there. Oh, like we already know. Come on, man. We already know. Like when he seen when the thing with my man. I love Urban Meyer, but you saw when it came out, talking about something, he kicked the daggone punter in the hand. Like, what are you doing? Like, things happen between the players, coaches all the time. People are grown, they're adults. Like when we said, when you walked into the locker room and I was 21, I'm a fresh kid. And I got 33 year old big baby Rogers over there, grown with like almost teenage kids. You know what I'm saying? Been paying bills, like, really got stuff going on. So. Got old ladies, man. You don't know what's going on. He got things that he's worried about. So he comes in that gym, he grown man. All right? Boom. You see, you don't know what these dudes are going through. And these coaches walking up on these men, talking to them crazy. You got a lot of them messed up. There's a way that you could talk to me about the film. They're. They're professional. So like, if, if I did things wrong, there's a way that you can tell me that without sitting there. Who are you talking to? You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Haden]

First and foremost, my thing is this, Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

You can, you can cuss at me like, like you, you, you. You can cuss like, you know, if

[Deebo Samuel]

you do something wrong with play. Like, what is this bull like right here?

[Joe Thomas]

Right?

[Deebo Samuel]

Like, like if you're doing things, you

[Joe Thomas]

can't cuss me out.

[Deebo Samuel]

You can't cuss Me out, stupid.

[Joe Thomas]

All this other stuff. No, see, as soon as you do that, like, it's over.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, we're talking about what you doing.

[Joe Thomas]

Hold up, hold up.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, no, no, no. What are you talking to me like this? Like this, like if you're doing something. What. What. What the fuck was this on the play, right? I'm like this. Okay, okay, now, like, yes, all that.

[Joe Thomas]

Fine.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, sure. Yes. Shooting it. And you know when you did some wild stuff, like, you got to do some. There's explaining that needs to be done.

[Joe Thomas]

You sitting there waiting for it, too. You're like, I know. I hope they see that.

[Joe Haden]

I know they saw that play.

[Deebo Samuel]

I know they seen that. I know they seen that. We're professionals also. We know when we did wrong before even the coach knows what we did wrong.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

So when you walking in there, you already like this. Is this man about to really come, like, come holl at me? Because I know I did wrong, too. So I'm ready to come take the accountability for this play and what needs to be done. But all this extra. You. I'm like, who. Why? Why all that? Like, I. We. Let's talk about this. I got it wrong, Coach. I know we need to be doing this. What happened? We could chop it, but like, that attacking, like, you didn't get to sit here and just cuss me out, bro. Yeah, come on, man. You acting like I tried to mess up. I'm. I'm not trying to get fired. I want to do the best I can. I love this game.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, you. You can. You can cuss at me, but you

[Joe Haden]

can't cuss me out like, you.

[Joe Thomas]

You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't go and. And be talking to me like I'm. I would be talking to my son

[Joe Haden]

when he done did something that.

[Joe Thomas]

That. That. That requires me to.

[Joe Haden]

To get real aggressive with my verbal without having to put my hand on him, then. Yeah, no, I'm trying to make him

[Joe Thomas]

feel bad about what he did so

[Joe Haden]

I ain't got to go ahead and give him the physical punishment because it ain't worth physical.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Haden]

Nah, you ain't about to do that, bro. I know.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's the thing, too. Debo. We take. Look, man, we're not saying I won't be being able to get coached up.

[Joe Thomas]

Like, you can coach me hard as hell.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hard as hell. I want to be coached because that's the thing, too. Like, and this. I want to do the right thing. I want to be on my assignment I need to know. You let me know what's going on, right? And if I.

[Joe Thomas]

You can hit me with the. James, get your ass in the hole.

[Deebo Samuel]

Come on. This.

[Joe Thomas]

This, like, insult. Like, the stupid. You dumb. The personal attack. Hey,

[Deebo Samuel]

yeah.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, that ain't happening. Nah, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Joe Thomas]

You can hit me with the. Hey, you playing too damn high. Get your ass down.

[Deebo Samuel]

All right, Coach. Yes, I need all of that. Because guess what, Debo? If you're playing too high, you need to get down. So the way you saying. I'm. I'm rocking with it. Yes.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Joe Thomas]

Now, I guess y' all kids is

[Joe Haden]

into this stuff, man. This ain't something that.

[Deebo Samuel]

That.

[Joe Haden]

That we did, as you know, in my era. You know what I'm saying? I'm. I'm grown man. I've been. I got kids your age, Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

And I know Daddy. We used to play. We used to. We used to go to school together.

[Joe Haden]

We graduated around the same time.

[Joe Thomas]

So the Jaguars receiver.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes.

[Joe Thomas]

Parker Washington.

[Joe Haden]

He got his entire stomach back, arms tattooed.

[Joe Thomas]

This off season, we got a video.

[Joe Haden]

This man got five artists working on him simultaneous for hours.

[Joe Thomas]

What,

[Joe Haden]

bruh? Joseph.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Haden]

What's the. Like, I. Damn.

[Joe Thomas]

You don't even want to, like. Like, earn it.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't going. It's. Look, he just. Look, he earned some of them, but then the big one now just to finish it. I ain't gonna lie. Do you want me to give you a quick story? Because. Yeah, I know a little thing or two about. I know a little thing.

[Joe Thomas]

What you do,

[Deebo Samuel]

huh? Long story short, I know all about this. I did the same daggoing thing. I'm 50. 50. I got probably 50% of mine before. And then when I went out to California.

[Joe Thomas]

Hey, man, y' all run this shit. I'm leaving.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, listen, Debo, listen. It's not crazy. It's not crazy. It's not crazy at all. I call. Look, look, look, listen. This is how it happened because my. I wanted to get my sleeve. Full sleeve. Beautiful leg sleeve. I got the leg sleeve done right now. It's fire, Debo. Whole leg done right? I see my man Odell. I love O. That's my man's.

[Joe Thomas]

We went to coach you let him talk you into. Odell is the sleepy giant for tattoos.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, listen.

[Joe Thomas]

He ain't had a tattoo awake ever.

[Deebo Samuel]

See, yes, he did. Yes, we. Everybody was doing tattoos. I had plenty of tattoos before I got to the league and then found out about the plug. Okay? So this is what I'm trying To tell you it's an expensive thing. But look, I called my man. Oh. I'm like, look, okay, I know you got all them tats, and you be coming out looking so sweet fast. Like, I know you not getting all that pain at one time. It's gonna take at least a week or two to get the tat. My man Ose. Look, Joe, I'm gonna send you to my dentist. I say, I asked for tattoos, brother. He said, I'm gonna send you to my dentist. I say, okay, go out there, Debo, meet up with the dentist. We talking about getting, you know what I'm saying, the little diamonds in the teeth, like, just want some chill. I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah. I'm like, what about? He said, yeah, but you know, when you get the diamonds in your tooth, you're already going to be getting, you know what I'm saying, Anesthesia. You have to go down. So while we do that, we got the tattoo artist that can come knock you out, too. So while you getting your. While you getting the diamond in your tooth, you could just get a tattoo at the same time. I said, oh, my God, this. It hurts. It's painful. It's painful tats. So we got the anesthesiologist. You were working in a real live spot. It's beautiful. It's so nice. You're in a real live dentist office that are taking care of you. Pristine care, anesthesia, everything. But you, you got to pay anesthesiologist. You know what I'm saying? It's real life because you are. You're getting the procedure. Look, look, you go ahead and earn yours. I earned. I earned 50% of mine, too. And then the other ones, I'm like,

[Joe Thomas]

which ones didn't you earn?

[Deebo Samuel]

Which ones didn't I earn?

[Joe Thomas]

I didn't placement.

[Deebo Samuel]

I didn't earn. I didn't earn this. I didn't earn.

[Joe Haden]

I ain't earned none of that.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't earned this one. That right there. That brown stills right there on that side. Deebo, I ain't earned that. I would have cried like a baby. That would have took me. I'd still be getting. Look, I got my back tattooed, Debo. And I only got the lining done because it hurt so bad. I had the lining for three years. I. I couldn't go back and get it fixed. I'm like, ah, get my back tat. I just had the cross or the outline of the cross. Okay, so that's what I'm trying to tell you. I fought. I've Got my stomach tat right here.

[Joe Thomas]

This one.

[Deebo Samuel]

This one did it. Pain.

[Joe Thomas]

Ah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Sat there. Ah.

[Joe Haden]

Right here.

[Deebo Samuel]

Ah, sat there. Chest, chest. Sat there. Ah. Took all this, all this. Whole stomach. I took all of that. Took all of that pain. I'm trying to tell you, but, Joe, I found out. Look, found out. Okay? Boom, boom. In and out. Good. Everything's safe, solid. But, yeah, it was. That's quick. Quick. Hurry.

[Joe Thomas]

Out.

[Deebo Samuel]

In and out.

[Joe Haden]

Last tattoo I got was my kids on my forearms, bruh. My arms were swollen for, like, three, four days, bruh.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I did fight for that.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah. I ain't.

[Joe Thomas]

But listen, now, if I go in there and I say, all right, y' all put me to sleep, tap me up, I' ma wake up. Swole still hurting. On fire, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm trying to tell you, once you wake up from there, you're We. I woke up. I was good. Chilling.

[Joe Thomas]

See, they.

[Joe Haden]

They giving you a whole bunch of, you know, anti inflammatories, all the other stuff. See, I like my. I, like, let my body naturally heal from that. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

Once you put that anesthesia in, you got to get it about you, too. Now, you need to take the protocols to get necessary.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, for sure, bro. I was going in for real. Live, getting my teeth worked on. Like, I'm going to the dentist, so everything is taken care of perfectly. Not. Not. Not playing.

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, no, I'm saying you. I'm saying, as far as when you get done, like, it's.

[Joe Haden]

It's. They don't do protocols to push the anesthesia out of you, like, to help get that up out of you. As far as recovery for your body, it helps you heal faster and everything else. That's what I'm. That's what. That's what I'm talking about and doing.

[Deebo Samuel]

But,

[Joe Thomas]

man, I might just go ahead and get my whole back done.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, look, man, I know a guy.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm just gonna get it hold. I'm.

[Joe Haden]

You know, I'm get attacked across my neck right here.

[Deebo Samuel]

Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't. You know, I'm. I was. Nope, nope. No, no.

[Joe Haden]

And it's gonna say. It's gonna say. It's gonna say real. Real. You know, Real.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, See, you don't see. Why you doing all that? You don't have to go there.

[Joe Thomas]

And then while I'm getting my braces done, I should get tatted up everywhere. You already taking my braces off.

[Deebo Samuel]

You keep going to the braces. That's why I Need to send you to. For real. Send you to my dentist. That's. He actually is my dentist, though. For real. I'm swearing. He said, bro. And if you see him, he's a bro. Swole Dr. Connor. I'm gonna send him to you, bro. Swole, swole, Tatted up dentist, man. Dr. Conley. Doctor.

[Joe Haden]

Hey, bro. Hey, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

Shout out Dr. Conley, bro.

[Joe Haden]

Listen, listen, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

He swollen up, bro.

[Joe Thomas]

You around. Cause you sleep, he gonna have to move you around, bro. You know how bad that would hurt you, bro?

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm. You see, this is what I'm saying. You thinking I'm. This. I'm trying to tell you I'm getting y' all hip to some real stuff. This is not.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm listening.

[Deebo Samuel]

This is not.

[Joe Thomas]

If it's worth it for me to

[Joe Haden]

put it on my body, it's worth

[Joe Thomas]

it for me to go through the

[Joe Haden]

pain to get it, man.

[Joe Thomas]

You know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Samuel]

Look, to each his own. I did the pain, too. How many. How many tats do you have? You probably. Do you even know? Because now I got so many tats, it just lost count. See, you got them nice. You got them indies. You got them nice little individual. You got five tats. Yes, I probably got 150 tats, and I got 75 of them, and I didn't. I didn't get 75 of them.

[Joe Thomas]

Wow. You know what I'm saying? I want.

[Joe Haden]

I want to earn mine and remember mine, you know what I'm saying? It makes it that much more glorious, you know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, that jump really, really hurts. And especially when you're trying to get, like, big detail work, I feel like

[Joe Thomas]

you gotta really want it.

[Deebo Samuel]

I just really want it down.

[Joe Thomas]

Right down here. Straight down my.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yep, all the way here.

[Joe Thomas]

Just put it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Look, I got this tattoo, bro, and it literally feel like it was in my jaw. I was getting this done, and it felt like it was tattooing me in my jaw. I was like, oh, my God, the shocking pain. I'm like, oh, how is this hitting me in my face, dude?

[Joe Thomas]

That little. That little thing right there? Yeah, I felt that in my neck, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

I felt, brother. I was. I kept on quenching. I'm like, oh, my God, is he tattooing me in my face? So that's what I'm saying, Debo. I just, you know, my body react funny sometimes. I get the twitching, bruh.

[Joe Thomas]

Hey.

[Joe Haden]

Luca is returning.

[Joe Thomas]

Luca's coming back on Friday after spending

[Joe Haden]

the last week in Spain, where he received multiple injections. Into his grade two left hamstring strain. Oh, we gotta break down the treatment he got.

[Joe Thomas]

What he get?

[Joe Haden]

He got a little bit of everything. Hey, Joe.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes.

[Joe Haden]

You ever went outside the country to get treatment?

[Deebo Samuel]

Nope. I know you had. Have you? I know you have.

[Joe Haden]

Oh, yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

But you go out there and see next. You talking about me?

[Joe Haden]

Here's the crazy thing is, I didn't even go far. I just went Canada.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, okay. Yeah. You ain't go far at all. You Canada. Part of Canada is here. Yeah, Canada with us.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah. Like Toronto. Yeah, Right there. That's it, brother.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, man, I hope he get back. I. I never went. I never had to go across to get no treatments, you know, maybe if

[Joe Thomas]

you did, you'd be. You'd be doing a lot better, baby.

[Joe Haden]

Some of them. Some of them good stem cells is that way.

[Deebo Samuel]

Is that what Luca got? Cause I'm.

[Joe Haden]

I. I don't know.

[Deebo Samuel]

Let me see.

[Joe Haden]

Breakdown of his treatment. Let's see.

[Deebo Samuel]

I just want. I just want any. Anybody. Lucas a baller, but anybody that's playing with lebron James.

[Joe Haden]

Also, I want to see Luca. Donna traveling to Europe to get a grade two. Strange. Germany, traditionally led in the world and cutting edge medical treatments, Especially stem cells. He probably got stem cells.

[Deebo Samuel]

I definitely got stem cells. Yeah. Got to. For the hammy. For the soft tissues.

[Joe Haden]

I understand what he's saying, but, like, why would you go all the way to Germany for stem cells? Because you could still get. You know, you get stem cells in the u. S. You just. Let's see what they did. Likely getting a combination of. Yeah, it's placenta tissue, exosomes. Yeah, you can get all that here. I don't know why you would.

[Deebo Samuel]

All.

[Joe Haden]

We go all the way to Germany,

[Deebo Samuel]

like, and there's nothing. Nothing different than what they doing over there.

[Joe Haden]

It depends if he did his own stem cells, though. You can. You can't grow stem cells here. You got to do that. Other places, you wear your own. However that goes. You know, fda, all that other stuff. You know that. But then when you use the stuff here, you know, like. Like allographs, like, placenta type allographs.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's.

[Joe Haden]

You know, you got to make sure you're using clean sources and everything is clean. So you don't pick up nothing. But. Yeah, it's not assuming they would use peptides of some sort. The peptides.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Haden]

They trying to crack down on peptides and all that.

[Deebo Samuel]

They trying to crack the code. But this is what I'm saying. If he comes back that's nothing that they can find in like. They gonna probably drug test them instantly.

[Joe Thomas]

It just depends.

[Joe Haden]

Some. Some peptides you can take, boy.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay.

[Joe Thomas]

Basketball.

[Joe Haden]

I have different. They're more.

[Deebo Samuel]

They're.

[Joe Haden]

They're. They're. Their rules are more lax than ours.

[Deebo Samuel]

All I'm telling you is like we.

[Joe Thomas]

We.

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[Jacob Goldstein]

is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? When you buy business software from lots of vendors, the costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing. Odoo solves this. It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales. Odoo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way. You can save money without missing out on the features you need. Check out odoo@o d o o dot com. That's O-O-O.com

[Deebo Samuel]

Paul George got back and he got tested for. Because he got sat down for some stuff. And I'm just saying when you, when you come back and hooping quickly, they're gonna be like this. Hold up now.

[Joe Haden]

It ain't matter, bro. I was getting tested every week, twice a week.

[Joe Thomas]

So.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, no, for sure. Look. Oh, did you. Was you out there people? You was out there illegal?

[Joe Thomas]

No.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Okay.

[Joe Haden]

No, I got that.

[Joe Thomas]

They thought I was illegal. I was still. I was still 39 playing.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay. You know, they trying to figure out how. They trying to figure out how they need that blood.

[Joe Thomas]

They. They pissed off. I'm still out there. How this man, how is this doing it? He gotta be on that dope.

[Deebo Samuel]

He's gotta be taking something. Hey man. Cause I don't know. Because they said what's. Because I I just got hip to hearing about the Peptides.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm not here.

[Joe Thomas]

I know ties can help you on

[Joe Haden]

your, your hip or whatever you got going on.

[Joe Thomas]

It's. It's more.

[Joe Haden]

Well what's Peptides for everything but the, the majority of the ones that they're trying to outlaw, which makes no sense, is ones that help guys heal faster, like muscle healing and all the Other stuff, you know, BPC157, that's, you know, whatever they call Dymo. B4 is a combination. It's call different things, but, you know, TB 500, the same thing as, you know, Thymos and B4. And then the BPC 157, that's another. You put them two together and you know, put it into whatever, you know, issue you got. Especially if he's combining stem cells with that. That's just.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, he gonna, That's a go. He gonna have a concoction.

[Joe Haden]

Oh yeah, that's a go right there.

[Deebo Samuel]

You can't.

[Joe Haden]

That's a no brainer.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh yeah. We knew it. Look, just. Man, I wanted to get back, Listen. Get back? Yes.

[Joe Thomas]

You want to get back, you let me know.

[Joe Haden]

Holla at your boy. You know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Samuel]

That's what I'm saying. I know he gonna get, he gonna, he. If the Lakers want to do anything, he gonna have to get back because there's gonna be Braun out there by himself. Cause you know, Braun healthy, 41 for sure. Take care of his. Taking care of his hamstrings.

[Joe Haden]

Yeah, yeah. Brian dropping. What he say? Damn near a million and a half, 2 million a year something. Hey, yes, sir.

[Deebo Samuel]

He know what it is, though. That's why he been able to do it for so long.

[Joe Haden]

Yes. Modern advances in. In technology and health care.

[Deebo Samuel]

We talk about greatness, brother. LeBron James. Debo. You still got. You still got Jordan.

[Joe Haden]

Michael Jordan.

[Deebo Samuel]

You still got LeBron. Okay? And there's nothing he could do to ever pass him.

[Joe Haden]

Freak. No.

[Deebo Samuel]

And do you think LeBron James is the second best player or do you give my. Else is better?

[Joe Haden]

Okay, I'll give him that.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't, I don't have. I. I don't want or shall not argue with somebody that says Michael Jordan is the best player of all time. Because that was my. I felt the same way for the longest, longest time until LeBron started playing this long and being this great at this long, not just playing still. He's dogging like.

[Joe Haden]

I understand what you're saying, but if

[Joe Thomas]

you, when, when you play that long

[Joe Haden]

with the money advances in technology, I'm

[Joe Thomas]

not here to break every.

[Deebo Samuel]

All these other dudes still got the same technology. He's been doing it since he was 16 years old.

[Joe Thomas]

I understand.

[Joe Haden]

But Jordan didn't have that technology.

[Joe Thomas]

He went and said, I'm just, I'm done with basketball.

[Joe Haden]

It's too easy.

[Joe Thomas]

Let me go see what baseball could do.

[Deebo Samuel]

You trying to say that?

[Joe Thomas]

And then he comes back and goes, three again, bro. Stop playing with me, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

Brother, brother, brother, brother.

[Joe Thomas]

Three and three, that is. And in between, he said, shit, let

[Deebo Samuel]

me see what he looking like. I hear you, brother, but we acting like Jordan only played six years in the league.

[Joe Thomas]

I understand what you're saying.

[Deebo Samuel]

He's still.

[Joe Thomas]

How many titles LeBron got that bus full and how many years he done played? 25, 23. 20. Okay, 23.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's. But look, this is what I'm telling you, too. The. Look, I understand that, but it's not. He won four ships. Still won four ships. And we're not saying six doesn't make George. You're saying the six just because he has six ships. Is that why he's the best guy?

[Joe Thomas]

Six. If.

[Deebo Samuel]

What. What about. What about a man that got nine

[Joe Thomas]

defense man titles to go with that

[Deebo Samuel]

thing when they didn't give. See, that's what I'm saying. You're taking.

[Joe Haden]

Listen, listen.

[Deebo Samuel]

Braun should have hella.

[Joe Thomas]

He's got a better chance of playing in the physicality of each other's era.

[Deebo Samuel]

Y' all act. You act like Bron's not 6, 8, 260. Like he can't just dog.

[Joe Thomas]

Because you realize you can't block, but

[Deebo Samuel]

he could if he wanted to.

[Joe Thomas]

You act like back in the 90s,

[Deebo Samuel]

Brana, throw them little and. And you couldn't help. Bron would just be playing one on one versus them. They got foot in the lane. Bron be dogging them old dudes, man.

[Joe Thomas]

You know it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Bron be dogging them old dudes. The only thing I have, the only thing I had to say, why Braun and why Jordan is. I feel that people say that Jordan is better for show. And this is what pissed me off. LeBron was dragging the Cavs at the beginning of his career way more than Jordan was when he didn't make it to the playoffs before he got Scotty. So all them times LeBron was even making it to the championship with those Cavs teams, I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. Like, if he had a wingman, then they could have won ships earlier in his career when he went to Miami, the first year in Miami. This is my only fault for Bron. And this is why when you say this and other people say it, he should have took the reins from D. Wade off the rip that first year and beat Dallas and not let Dirk in him. He only had like 7 to 10 points in the games, and he just

[Joe Thomas]

looked like he ran through all the og.

[Deebo Samuel]

Look, let me talk about, look, Durk crushed it. Durk was the best player out there. But for me, watching, as a LeBron fan, I'm like, bron, this is your time. Show everybody. Now he's being passive to D. Wade. Durk was cooking. Durk was cooking regardless. But on the Heat, I'm like, bron, go crazy. Like, even if you shoot and miss every time, shoot it, shoot it, shoot it, shoot it, please. And then after that year, they ended up winning two in a row, and then they lost again. But that was the one year I was like, this, Bron, dang it. I wish you would have went hard, because then that was the year. If he would have won it right there, then you can't say, like, nah, Jordan, I'm like that killer instinct that everybody was saying. I'm like, yeah, he was a little passive to D. Wade, and he didn't go get it there. Then he went and won two more there, went back to Cleveland. He went back to Cleveland, won a ship there, and now went to LA and won another ship. So I'm like, from the time when he left and went to Miami and that one year right there didn't get that first ship that I felt like, if you would have got that, you're on Dogman status because you. I feel like when you were in Cleveland, your teams weren't that good and you still were carrying them. Like, you got him there. When you went to Miami that first year ship, soon as you would have won that joint off, rip everybody like, oh, okay, okay. He slowed down and let D. Wade kind of get big boy right there. And then that's when I'm like, this, dang it, everybody. The killer instinct. He doesn't have the killer instinct. I'm like, he does, but he just didn't go right there. And then the next year, he went and got it. Next year after that, went and got it again, then lost, left, came back to Cleveland, went and got it versus Golden State when nobody thinks it now, then goes to la, goes and gets it. Like, that was just what was busting my head. I love LeBron. He came in at 16, and we, like, ever since he was 16.

[Joe Thomas]

Exactly.

[Deebo Samuel]

Came in at 16. LeBron didn't come in at 16. He was. Came in as being a chosen one on the COVID ESPN at 16 and being able to have all of that from that point, coming to high school, going from high school to the league. Jordan went to college and had to play. Played in college. Ron didn't have to do none of that. And then when we Talk about Kobe. Kobe went to high school, to the league and was changed the rules. But guess what? But guess what?

[Joe Thomas]

He changed the rules. So that was possible, too.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay? Yeah. But guess what?

[Joe Thomas]

When Kobe Jordan didn't have that option.

[Deebo Samuel]

I love Kobe to death too, but Kobe went to the league, and then as soon as. When he first got to the league, he was behind Eddie Jones. Like, he was still wasn't really starting. You know what I'm saying? Braun instantly. Soon he gets the league first day like King James.

[Joe Haden]

Cleveland, Cleveland.

[Deebo Samuel]

But no, I don't want to hear all that. He was taking them to the shop. Cleveland.

[Joe Thomas]

When he was junior and senior, he was up there playing with them boys in high school.

[Deebo Samuel]

Braun James, I'm telling you, he's LeBron James.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm from Akron.

[Deebo Samuel]

Is it my bad that he's 16 and had to end up just going to the league and then dogging out there in Cleveland and didn't have no help and was still bringing him to the ship?

[Joe Thomas]

He ain't bring him to the ship

[Joe Haden]

till he came back, man.

[Deebo Samuel]

All right, well, bringing him close.

[Joe Thomas]

I ain't tripping, bro. I ain't true. I told you, I give him two. I like him. I ain't got no issue. But yes, I ain't putting him over Jordan.

[Deebo Samuel]

Look, and that's when you say that I will not disrespect, but if you could put him too, because I don't see no other player. I mean, I could wilt. Okay. I could like. Okay, you throw him in there, say, but I'm going to Braun and Jordan Braun just ended up passing because of the longevity. It's just. It's just too long. He just playing.

[Joe Thomas]

No question.

[Joe Haden]

No question.

[Joe Thomas]

You play that long, you got. You go. You gotta get it, baby. Unit. We go hit these super chats. We gotta get it.

[Joe Haden]

2510. What is 2510? What's unit 2510?

[Joe Thomas]

That's somebody. Somebody living in unit 2510. We know it yet? I just don't know where yet. Five dollars, they said. They said Caleb. Caleb Johnson lost us a game and he got buried last. Last year.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. Okay. Because they was talking about what running backs we had, and it was Jalen, Warren, Rico.

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, we actually had that dude on the floor.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, yeah. That's what I said.

[Joe Haden]

Must have got buried because I didn't. I didn't even hear his name.

[Joe Thomas]

Did you know who he was?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, yeah, I knew he was a running back, but he wasn't getting no burn.

[Joe Thomas]

That ain't the cat.

[Joe Haden]

That

[Joe Thomas]

Touched the ball and he dropped the kickoff.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes. La, la.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

He's only played on three teams.

[Joe Haden]

That's what she's saying.

[Deebo Samuel]

He's been in the league for 23 years. He's been in on three teams. When he first went to the Cavs, you can't lie and say they didn't give him the help. Like, he was out there fighting for his life, trying to get him as best as he could. So the way that he left might not have been the best. And the first year that he did there.

[Joe Haden]

Okay, what you mean the way that he left? How did he leave?

[Deebo Samuel]

When he did the decision, people was like, oh, when he did the announcement about it, I think he could have just bounced and just slid and left him without doing the decision and leaving Cleveland thinking he was going to stay and then bouncing. So there was a little hurt about that. So besides that, he's been in the league 23 years. There's no real blemishes on his stuff. Besides, when somebody mad. What'd you say?

[Joe Haden]

Everybody knew he wasn't staying in Cleveland, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm just saying, too, like, you're not gonna bring him no help. And then he bounced and then all that. He came back and then won a ship. Not like, he didn't come back and didn't.

[Joe Thomas]

So you blaming the Cavs.

[Deebo Samuel]

I mean, at the time, it was Dan Gang, Dan Gilbert, he said a little crazy. Like, they was talking a little crazy about him when he left. Like, I know, and I love Dan, love all of them. But, like, grown man, he go where he wanted to go. He came back, won the ship. Oh, no harm, no foul.

[Joe Thomas]

Why you leave again?

[Deebo Samuel]

We're moving forward.

[Joe Haden]

Why leave again?

[Deebo Samuel]

Why? Why'd he leave again?

[Joe Haden]

Why leave again?

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, what? What a cover to, like, say, oh, business decision. It's time. He's getting older. You know what I'm saying? Live out in la. His son was out in school. Nah, he went to la. So now he went. When he went to la, now I'm like, okay, smooth, good move. You already went and won your ship back in the land. You're older. Your son is out there.

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, so the LA was the business

[Joe Haden]

decision, or was the Miami the businesses, or was the Cleveland back to the business? Which one was the business decision?

[Deebo Samuel]

The business decision was to la. The back to Cleveland was like, all right, look, I got that off my back. Everybody's talking about these ships now. The way I left might have been a little crazy. I can go back. And I wanted to win a ship for Cleveland before I left, but now I got my ship. I know, because y' all weren't bringing me no help. Now I'm gonna come back here, and now we're gonna try to rock out Kyrie. Kevin Love Squad, Junior Smith. It happened to be beautiful.

[Joe Thomas]

We got him.

[Deebo Samuel]

Help. Everything worked. Help was there. Kyrie was there, and they was. They was not good for a while. So he was able to get the number one pick. They got Kyrie Irving. You wouldn't have got him if we

[Joe Thomas]

would have been good or if they

[Joe Haden]

could have kept Kyrie.

[Joe Thomas]

Ooh, wee, wee, wee.

[Deebo Samuel]

But then they had Kyrie, so then they ended up winning there, and then they won the ship together. Then Kyrie, grown man, he wants to go do what he wants to do. Everybody want to go do what they want to do. We won ships together. We did it in the land. Boom. Let's go do our own thing.

[Joe Haden]

Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. That's how it happened, Debo.

[Joe Haden]

Okay.

[Joe Thomas]

Coming to life. Back again, Joe.

[Joe Haden]

20. She says someone in.

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, she said someone in the chat. Joe looks homeless with that jacket on.

[Deebo Samuel]

See, why they gonna hit my vintage brown jacket? That's crazy.

[Joe Thomas]

It was not. It was not a typo. I said, Lebanon. I don't care how long that crybaby has been in the league. I can't fuss with Joe. He's too kind. Love you, Joe.

[Deebo Samuel]

Thank you. Okay, covered it. You okay? He's a. He whines a little bit. That's okay. I, I, I hear what you're saying. I just can't agree anymore. Hey, listen, Brian, I'm with y'. All.

[Joe Haden]

She said, I don't care how long that crybaby has been in the league.

[Joe Thomas]

She fired shots. Hey, listen, man, it's been real. Hey, man, you can't call him a cry like, man, you can't call him cry baby. You know, he ain't crying like. He just, you know, he's trying to get the file, like, you know what I'm saying? Doing with it. Bloody divas really blocked the fly, you

[Joe Haden]

know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

Vladi divas was the first one to

[Joe Haden]

bring it in, though. I ain't gonna lie to you. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

I think, you know, I think, I think LeBron might have just perfected it a little better, that's all.

[Joe Haden]

You know I'm saying. Nothing wrong with that, man.

[Joe Thomas]

Mr. Stiller Fan. 432 Lotters. Happy birthday, Joe.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Thomas]

Thank you forever.

[Joe Haden]

See 23 again, Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

Guys, we want to thank you guys

[Joe Haden]

for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like subscribe download

[Joe Thomas]

where you get your show. Make sure y' all go to Joe's page, give him a happy birthday shout out. You know what I'm saying, Joe.

[Deebo Samuel]

Thank you, brother. Debo, I want to say I appreciate you, my brother. I'm about to go. Have a good time. My old lady, Sarah Hayden. Enjoy this birthday. Appreciate you.

[Joe Thomas]

Where the kids at?

[Deebo Samuel]

Kids at school.

[Joe Thomas]

Kids get back.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

Go ahead, have a good time, baby. Go ahead, have a good time. Hey, I gotta go.

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