Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Skattebo's CTE joke , Malik Willis ready to thrive in Miami, Abdul Carter Changes Numbers

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe, Part 2: Skattebo’s CTE Joke, Malik Willis in Miami, Abdul Carter’s Number Change

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: Deebo & Joe (with appearances by Joe Haden)
Episode Date: March 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Deebo and Joe (with notable input from Joe Haden) dig into current NFL topics and controversies, blending playful banter, personal anecdotes, and deep football analysis. The main topics include Giants linebacker Abdul Carter’s decision to change his jersey number, the Miami Dolphins’ quarterback situation with Malik Willis, Justin Fields’ NFL journey, and the fallout from Trey Skattebo's controversial CTE joke. The hosts share their own experiences, debate legacy versus individuality, and reflect on the seriousness of brain injuries in football.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Abdul Carter Changes Jersey Number (03:07-11:10)

Debate over retired numbers and legacy:

• Carter switching to #3 after failing to secure Lawrence Taylor's retired #56. The panel stresses the significance and pressures of pursuing legendary numbers.
• Joe: "You tryin' to go get LT's number out of retirement? ... You putting something on your back that's like—they’re not—no, I know. You just don’t do it. I just wouldn’t do it. The extra pressure, ah, it’s tough." (04:44)
• The group reflects on their own jersey-number experiences, revealing the often transactional and politics-laden process behind the scenes.
• Joe Haden: "They was just throwing my man the jersey is crazy. Yeah... That nine two stuck though, Debo. Nine two stuck. It hit. It hit. I ain’t gonna lie." (06:47)

Memorable Moment:

• Joe describes having to buy his preferred number for $20,000 from a teammate ("20 bands" in 2010), adding humor to the subject (08:06).

Cultural insight:

• The tradition of single-digit numbers as a badge of honor on youth teams – only top-tier players typically received them.
• Joe Haden: "When we played Little League, single digits was the most fire players on the team." (09:33)

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2. Malik Willis: Dolphins Quarterback Talk (11:59-14:10; 18:13-20:11)

Willis’s readiness and humility:

• Discussion of Malik Willis's ascension to starter in Miami, highlighting his humble and media-savvy response to questions about his readiness.
• Malik Willis: "We only know until you know, so. I’m grateful for the opportunity now… I can’t say whether I was ready or not." (12:22)
• Joe Haden: "The dude, super duper humble. I’m just getting… dumb humble vibes. Like, he’s super duper humble." (12:45)

Media training and expectations:

• Praise for Willis’s caution and awareness about setting expectations, seeing it as a sign of wisdom, not arrogance.
• Joe: "When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom... God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble. This is a humble man. This is a wise man." (18:30)

Dolphins outlook:

• The panel debates if Miami has found their franchise QB, noting the team still has significant roster holes.
• Joe Haden: "Miami just isn’t a... ‘Right now we just need one piece and we’re going to be amazing.’ I think they have a lot of holes on their team, so it’s going to be a building process." (19:31)

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3. Justin Fields: The Quarterback Carousel (20:52-26:30)

Four teams, four years:

• Justin Fields could become the first QB to start for four different teams in four years, raising questions about his trajectory.
• Joe: "This is not a good stat I want to be a part of no. Lord hell. Whoa, yo." (22:52)

On-field intelligence concerns:

• Discussion about Fields' past statements (with the Bears) about being made to think too much, which some interpret as a red flag for quarterback leadership.
• Joe: "That statement right there told me that he doesn’t want to read these things... maybe the game is too hard for you to acquire." (24:09)

If not now, when?

• The chance to play for Andy Reid and the Chiefs is framed as a “last best shot.”
• Joe Haden: "Now he has his last... You got Kansas City with Andy Reid in that off[ense]. So now I’m just looking like, if you don’t do it now, it’s not—where else we gonna go?" (25:30)

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4. Skattebo’s CTE Joke and Apology (26:34-33:36)

The controversy:

• Skattebo (from Bring the Juice Podcast) dismissed CTE as "an excuse" and doubled down claiming "asthma is fake, too." He later issued a scripted apology.
• Joe: "He said, 'recently I did an interview and had a lapse in judgment… making a tasteless joke about CTE and asthma. It was never my intention to downplay the seriousness of head injuries or asthma…'" (27:10)
• The hosts express skepticism over the sincerity of the apology, suggesting it was PR-crafted.

Personal experience with memory loss and CTE:

• Open discussion on CTE’s reality, referencing real NFL studies showing high diagnosis rates among ex-players (92% in a 2023 Boston University study - 28:28).
• Joe Haden: "CTE is a real thing. People getting hit upside the head. Dead serious. Deebo, it’s honestly real for show." (29:57)
• Both hosts admit to experiencing memory lapses, connecting it to their playing days and the cumulative effects of head trauma.
• Joe: "My long term memory is trash, too." (31:36)

Coping mechanisms:

• Ongoing measures: brain health routines, cognitive repair practices, nootropics, etc., to counteract symptoms.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Humility vs. Arrogance (on Malik Willis):

  • "I'm grateful for the opportunity now, and that’s all I can say. I can't say whether I was ready or not." – Malik Willis (12:22)
  • "This is a humble man. This is a wise man... I love it, Joe." – Joe (18:36)

• On Playing with Multiple Teams (on Justin Fields):

  • "You're here for a good time, not a long time. Patrick Mahomes, that's his team in Kansas City." – Joe Haden (23:14)
  • "If you don't do it now, where else we gonna go?" – Joe Haden (25:30)

• On CTE:

  • "Dude, it's not a joke. Somebody got to him, obviously... They did a study in what, 2023, 376 former players, they found 345... had some form of CTE. That’s 92%." – Joe (28:27)

• On Retired Jersey Numbers:

  • "I'm not asking nobody for no retired number that's out there already, you know what I'm saying? Like it’s retired for a reason." – Joe (03:58)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:07 – Abdul Carter and the jersey number debate
• 07:03 – NFL’s complicated number assignments and buyouts
• 09:33 – Single digits in youth football culture
• 11:59 – Malik Willis as Dolphins starting quarterback: readiness and humility
• 18:13 – Media training and the wisdom of humility for NFL QBs
• 20:52 – Justin Fields' four-team odyssey and questions about QB mental makeup
• 26:34 – Skattebo’s CTE controversy and apology
• 29:57 – Hosts’ honest reflections on CTE, memory, and health
• 36:00 – Audience questions on Steelers history
• 46:08 – Steelers Super Bowl wins recap (comedy of memory lapses)

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Tone & Language

The episode features unfiltered locker-room banter—casual, direct, and humorous but marked by respect for the topics’ seriousness where warranted (especially around CTE). There’s both nostalgia and playful ribbing about on-field and off-field experiences, old teammates, and football culture.

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Final Takeaways

• Respect for NFL legacy: Don’t chase retired numbers; build your own path.
• QB carousel realities: Quarterbacks like Malik Willis and Justin Fields are under the microscope—the right attitude and humility matter, but so does organizational support.
• CTE is real: The hosts, speaking from experience, stress its seriousness and reflect on their own health, debunking any notion that it’s merely “an excuse.”
• NFL culture and memory: Football history, traditions, and the effects of the game linger—even if the details get fuzzy.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This was a tightly-packed, insightful—and often entertaining—look at the latest NFL controversies through the lived experience of two NFL veterans. From jersey tradition to brain health, Deebo & Joe keep it real, relatable, and refreshingly honest.

Transcript

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[Joe]

I just know Carter from the New York Giants, brother. He changed his jersey number. I guess he revealed it after Russell posted. So he is now going to wear number three. Making the switch after, of course, Russell departed. Yes, Carter went viral for requesting to wear the Giants legend Lawrence Taylor's 56 last season, in which Lawrence Taylor respectfully declined. Get another number. I don't care if it's double zero and then make it famous. Yo, yo, you got any issue with guys switching numbers and doing all that other stuff? You know, he had some issues last year. I guess he got benched twice for some disciplinary reasons missing and all that.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I don't got a problem with people switching numbers. I don't have a problem with. My thing is when you come in though, I, I'm not asking nobody for no retired number that's out there already, you know what I'm saying? Like it's retired for a reason. That man went and did that. Like that's the greatest of all time. The greatest. So you go get you like you want to go set that legacy. Get a number like right, he got 56. Try to get like 55. Or you want step up 157 something in memory be like, I'm gonna make mine mine the way Lawrence Taylor made him. Him. Like I just, my thought, if I'm coming in, I just got too much respect. And you got your, you gotta, you gotta start your own. Like you are you. You are you. You coming in as a rookie. Come set your own legacy. Set your own trajectory. You trying to get on the field, see what the NFL's talking about, get your feet wet, you know what I'm saying? Like understanding the game like that's. I feel like that's just putting unneeded pressure on yourself. Also. Like you already first round pick, you already got the target on you. Now I'm trying to go get Lawrence Taylor's jump. Like letting them know I'm Here it's me. I'm like this. No, you gotta kind of like chill a little bit. But for, for me, for me, my mindset is coming in here. I gotta come figure it out myself, get my legacy going, get my feet wet, stand on my own 10, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just additional pressure is just. I feel, I feel like it's just you didn't need it. It's unwarranted. And then that's good. Just make people look at you like you already a first round pick. We already know you need to come out here and snap. And now you saying you gonna come take lt's number out of retirement. Oh, my goodness. Like, you, like, I mean, it just. It's just you can't kind of be that good off rip. You can't. You know what I'm saying? You kind of out kicked your coverage trying to get some. You putting something on your back that's like. They're not like. No, I know. You just don't do it. I just wouldn't do it. The extra pressure, ah, it's tough.

[Joe]

Yeah. I don't care about the switching of numbers, dude. You know, I don't. I don't really care. It is what it is. Some guys like certain numbers. They feel like, you know, they like it better, they play better, you know, whatever it may be.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So I didn't have that luxury, Joe. I was. I was 42, 46, I believe 41, 93, and finally 92 after Jason Gilding left. And I didn't pick none of those.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You didn't pick none of those numbers

[Joe]

was given to me, okay? Requesting enough, Joe. I was cut, Debo, bro, I was cut up like so much, brother. I could have bled the death and paper touch like, they was cutting me so much, bro.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Like, they was just throwing my man the jersey is crazy. Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm in the 40s, you know, I have a chance.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Flap that. Here you go. Take that one.

[Joe]

What we got available here?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

What we got available?

[Joe]

Yeah, put this on here, put that on. But you know, somebody else got that now. Hey, put this. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

That nine two stuck though, Debo. Nine two stuck. It hit. It hit. I ain't gonna lie. But I came in that. But look, when I first got to Cleveland, they gave me number five for training camp, and then I had to put on 40. They gave me 40 because I had to try to get a 20 number. All of them was gone. So then I had to go ahead and buy the number. So I had to get number 23. Yes.

[Joe]

Damn, Joe, that you was a. This, this is how crazy that is to me, Joe. You was in the 40s.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I had number four. Zero for the first day.

[Joe]

First round draft choice. That's crazy, Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

No, that's. It was only for a day, you

[Joe]

know, it was only for a day because you paid money. Cause you big money grill.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Oh, geez, bro. What? I was going to take the. Everybody was older, you know. No, this is. No. And that's why I'm coming in. Coming. I gotta come in that joke.

[Joe]

Hey, what you need, old man? Give me that.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

What you need, og? What you need?

[Joe]

My man.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

My man, Peyton Hillis. And he came through talking rock, you see.

[Joe]

Who'd you pay for that?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I had to end up. I paid Eric. I think I might have paid E. Wright. And then how much? It was 20 bands.

[Joe]

20 bands back. Oh, Lord.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

In 2010. 20 bands. 2010.

[Joe]

20 right now.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

20 bad. 2010. But I got that two, three. And then my man Peyton Hillis, they had to do a whole little working around who got the jerseys. And then Peyton Hillis ended up doing number 40 and looking. And then he goes, well, cover a Madden with that joint. You know, the running back from the Browns.

[Joe]

That was totally 40 years. That's crazy, brother. That's crazy, Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

That's crazy you, man, listen. 47, 48, 93. Then I ended up, when you seen me in that game, that rookie card, 23. Okay, know that.

[Joe]

That really wasn't your rookie number, dog.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

And then look. And then look. They lucky because when we would have went to the league, you couldn't go single digit until probably a couple years ago.

[Joe]

Ooh.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Would have went five on them too. I wanted to go five on them. Gator five at the corner. Ramsey looking sweet, holding it down. But I wanted that. I just want to have one NFL jersey. Single digit number five. Hating on it. Looking sweet, bro.

[Joe]

I'd have been wearing that 16. I ain't gonna lie, man. Sixteen was like my high school in college. I would have been wearing that 16. I ain't gonna lie to you about the joke. I ended up switching to a single digit number. My. My senior year in high school, I switched to a three, man.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

There you go. When you were younger, Debo, when we played, when we played Little League. You played Little League, boy, single digits was the most fire players on the team. You had to be a single digit. If you was number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, you were fired. So me and My brother, we were walking to the game. We be looking on the. We were looking. You see the single digits on the other team? We was the single digits on our team. We knew who was guarding each other.

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We.

[Joe]

We knew.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

We knew who's going to be the quarterback. The receivers, like the best dudes on the team normally had a single digits. So that's why we was always trying to rock one or five or seven, because when I started younger boy, I was the quarterback. Michael Vick, seven. Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah, them single digits, that's. That's your. That's supposed to be your. Your higher tier players, you know what I'm saying? You can't. You can't be giving a single digit to the dude. That second strain, you can't be doing that. You know what I'm saying, brother? Like, you got some people that do it, though. It depends on who it is.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

And I got lied to. I got lied to. Coming out of high school Florida. They told me I was gonna be a single digit. My. My rookie year, freshman year. You gonna be a single digit? Yeah, got there 12. God was super close.

[Joe]

Super close. Almost.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

After my first, he was only three digits away.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Three digits away. Freshman year, I started, and then my Bubble Caldwell ended up getting drafted. I said, coach Meyer, I'm freshman All American. Give me that five. I need that five. He said, yes, sir. Joe, you get that single.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Boom. Thank you, sophomore year. I'm not taking this off. I was just. I would wear that little practice jersey around. Yeah, y' all see me in this five.

[Joe]

Dude, man. Hey, Joe, what that face look like when they hand you that 40? Show me the face you made when they hand you that 40, Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I didn't even. I didn't even let. I was, oh, who. I tried to. I tried to miss it. I was like, I don't know who that. That's not mine. I know that's not my jersey, but yeah. I was like, yo, for sure, we going behind me. I know someone. Hold on. Ducked. I was like, oh, no, that's my job. Hold on. Had hating on the back, looking crazy big old 40. I said, wow. But then my man TJ Ward ended up rocking the 43, and he looked sweet like. I'm like, oh, now, TJ, you safety. You look sweet. I said, no, no, but I'm corner this joint big as heck. Just holding this 4 0.

[Joe]

You don't even look like you got no size in it, bro.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I need to have the 4 or the 0, not both of them.

[Joe]

Can't give me Both of them.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Can't give me both.

[Joe]

Yeah. So, man, Dolphins new quarterback Malik Willis on rather. He. He felt like he was ready to be a starting quarterback a year or two ago. We got to sign for that. Listen to this. Did you feel like you were ready

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

for this a year ago or two years ago or.

[Joe]

Or you needed the.

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The past couple years to get to this point?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I'm not sure. We only know until you know, so. I'm grateful for the opportunity now, and that's all I can say. I can't say whether I was ready or not.

[Joe]

I can't prove that.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You know what I mean? That would be just me being arrogant or prideful, you know? But the opportunity's here now, and I'm gonna try to do my best to take advantage of it.

[Joe]

How you feel about that response? You like that response? You don't like that? How you like it?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Joe, man, the dude, super duper humble. I'm just getting. I'm getting dumb humble vibes. Not. Not. I'm getting crazy humble vibes. Like, he's super duper humble.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I think that I like the way he's just. You know, hindsight is he just doesn't want to start saying stuff. He doesn't want to put his foot. He doesn't want to go try to take somebody's retired number. You know what I'm saying? He's basically going in here like this. Look, guys, ready for the opportunity. I can't say what I could have been back in the day or if it's the fifth, we all be drunk. I'm here right now, signed to the Miami Dolphins, and I'm ready to go. I'm in this position. I'm ready to go forward. Like, let's get it all that, like, backwards. Like, stuff that don't really make sense. Like, what. That question. What do you mean? Do you think I was ready? I could whatever. But that's back in the day. I'm here right now with the Miami Dolphins signed, ready to go, and he's not saying. Not trying to put any high expectations on himself. I think that it's just he. He's ready to go. He knows what is expected of him. And this is just a guy that's like, I'm not about to have y' all put any, like, anything extra. No, that would be me just trying to say something. I'm just going to keep it quiet, keep it humble. Where now? Oh, man. Like, I'm just Get you guys on my side. Like, just. That's how you start off with the media is I think he's really good media trained and he's just being a smart dude. I'm just really not going to set the expectations too high. I'm coming out here.

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[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Know what I have to do? I have to go work all that other if I would just bring that. I'm not bringing up anything that makes nothing that has nothing to do with the Dolphins and be performing right now as the starting quarterback. So I like the way he did that.

[Joe]

No question. Joe I love the response. Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I love the response.

[Joe]

Thank you, I'll go Proverbs 11:2 it said when pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with immediately humility comes wisdom. Joe. And when you look at James, 4:6.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I like James.

[Joe]

Okay in first Peter 5:5. Both of them say God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble. This is a humble man. This is a wise man. Joe. This is a man with humility. He understands he's not gonna let his arrogance and prideful weight get in the way of a response like, hey, that would be arrogance and prideful. I love it. Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I love it.

[Joe]

You Know, especially for him being the next quarterback of the, you know, Miami Dolphins, hopefully he can turn into that franchise quarterback that they looking for, you know, and the only thing that's going to determine that is the status of how he plays, how well he does it, you know. Do you think they found their franchise quarterback?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Yeah, I mean, the time will tell. Like you said, time will tell. You only play seven games. If he stays consistent, we'll see. How good is his line going to be? Is he going to be protected? I. I don't know. So it just. Miami, they got. They got a whole situation they got to figure out. So if I like the, the offensive coordinators, we'll see if they put them in positions to win. If the running game is good, like it's going to be a lot of moving parts of Miami. Miami just isn't a. Right now we just need one piece and we're going to be amazing. I think they have a lot of holes on their team, so it's going to be a building process.

[Joe]

But I think he can still be a franchise quarterback.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I mean, he could still be a thousand quarterback.

[Joe]

They got a lot of pieces missing over there.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Yes, they got a lot of pieces

[Joe]

missing over there, Joe. But we only got one missing. Joe. Joe. Joe Burrow. We only got one,

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Joe, you and me.

[Joe]

I just. I can't help it, Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You don't know. You know something. You know something.

[Joe]

I don't know nothing. I'm just trying to speak it into existence, Joe. All I know is what I want you know, and what you know it too. Come in agreeance. You in agreements with me?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I. I am in agreeance.

[Joe]

Okay, then it shall be done. It shall be done. The Lord said that. Do you?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Funny, I'm just. Hey, I'm with you.

[Joe]

I'm just saying.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I just.

[Joe]

I just talk when I talk. Let's go on over here to another quarterback that been to a lot of places. Justin Fields could become the first quarterback to play for four different teams and start week one with a different team. 23, he was with the Bears. 24 he was with the Steelers. 25, the Jets. And this year, if Mahomes isn't back in time, 26 can be the starting fourth year for him with the Kansas City Chiefs. Joe, this is better. It's not a good stat. I want to be a part of no. Lord hell. Whoa, yo. I guess the jets end up losing 48 million in cap space by letting him go. When you add in Aaron Rodgers dead money. So this year they had a hundred and four million dollars of dead money, which is third only of course 2. Miami and Arizona. Tua and Murray killed them boys. Yeah. And then you know what they did? They went ahead, got old Geno Smith who's looking like he gonna be the starting quarterback at 3.3 feels go to Kansas City and get 8 million. Damn. But it looked like, bro, oh my, this is real. Is that real? 2027 is looking like they will have 150 million plus in cap space. Plus three first round picks, bruh. 153 first round picks, bro. They can make some moves. Don't go and think, don't do 23 first rounds. I ain't gonna say nothing because I don't want them to. I ain't gonna say, Joe, how you. Joe, how you feel about Justin Fields being into his fourth team? What do you think the trajectory of

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

his career will be right now? I mean, I'm, I'm not. I love Justin Fields. Great dude, great person.

[Joe]

Joe about to say something negative. That's why he goes with the.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

No, no, no, no, no. Because. No, no, this is what I'm saying.

[Joe]

He's going to say something that he

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

don't really want to say, but he's

[Joe]

just going to say it. Go ahead.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Yeah, it's because this is the fourth team that you're going to be playing on as a starting quarterback. You want to be a starting quarterback. This is the perfect opportunity for you to do it. You're in Kansas City, you know you're not going to be there. You're here for a good time, not a long time. Patrick Mahomes, that's his team in Kansas City. So you want to just be able to go there, show that you're a competent starting quarterback where. You know what I'm saying? It's good. They already have. They have the team. They have Andy Reid, they're the Kansas City Chiefs. If you can come in there and just make it look, make it look good, make it look reasonable, make it just not. Don't lose the game. You don't have to go out there and be Patrick Mahomes because you're not Patrick Mahomes, but you can go out there and be sustainable. When it's run game, you got a new running back making sure that they keep it ahead of the sticks. Use your legs when you need to, hit the passes when you need to. We're not asking you to do nothing crazy, but just show that it's not your fault. You know what I'm saying? When you were in Chicago, when you were with the Steelers, the offense just, you were looking pretty good with the Steelers. It wasn't, it wasn't bad. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't bad. Jets. Ah.

[Joe]

Hey, I'm gonna tell you something. Like in 2023, in 2023, when he was with the Bears and then we ended up picking him up, I thought the move was a little questionable. The reason I thought the move was a little questionable is because in 2023, when he was with the Bears, he made a statement that he, He's. They're making him think too much. He just want to go out there and play. That statement right there told me that he doesn't want to read these things where he can't read the defense. And that was something that I was like, I didn't like. And it gave me pause of like, yo, is it a mind thing? Is it a knowledge thing? Because he has the skills to be able to play the position, plus, you know, add a little something else to it, which, you know, which is his legs. But when he made that statement and just threw it off to like, yo, they making me think too much. Nah, you just told me and told on yourself that maybe the game is too hard for you to acquire.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Maybe. But you think it might be above the neck when you say, I. I could see both ways. Maybe the way that they were presenting the message, it could be bad coaching. Like you guys are telling me. I don't know what your guys are really teaching me. So I'm just looking at it now.

[Joe]

You went to the jets, so you went from the Bears to Steelers and then from the Steelers to the jets, and we had the same outcomes.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I'm saying now he has his last. That's why I was saying what I was saying. You got Kansas City with Andy Reid in that off. So now I'm just looking like, if you don't do it now, it's not where. Where else we gonna go. You went to. You did. You. You've done it. You've done it. You've done your job. You show now that I think it may be backup quarterback. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you think he's gonna be able to take a team to, to, to. To new levels. I don't think so. If he's not gonna be able to. He's like you said, you've only as good as you. What have you done for me lately?

[Joe]

Yeah, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because the Bears ended up changing quarterbacks before they got Caleb. Right? I mean, changing coaches, right?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay. And then we changed, and the jets are jets, so, I mean, it's a possibility. I'll give him. I'll give him something on that. I'll give him something on that.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I'll.

[Joe]

I'll give you some. Some leeway on that, I guess.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Got to. I mean, you don't got to, but we'll see.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. For sure.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

We'll see. 2020.

[Joe]

Scatter boo tripping, man.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Oh, my goodness.

[Joe]

He was. He was asked by a host of a show, I guess, bring the Juice podcast, if he thinks CTE is real. He said, no, and it's an excuse. Wow. Scatter Boo Fry. Then we'll present it with the premise that asthma is an excuse. Scatterboo agreed. No, that's a good take. He said, yes. Asthma is fake, too. You're soft. He later issued this apology right here. He said, recently, I did an interview and had a lapse in judgment, which resulted in me making a tasteless joke about CTE and asthma. It was never my intention to downplay the seriousness of head injuries or asthma. I sincerely apologize to anyone who was offended by my remarks, and I assure you that I'll be more mindful and respectful going forward. Much love. Yeah, Joe. I thought it was a joke when I first saw it, but I know good and well he ain't right that. Who wrote that pr. Okay, I'm just saying, because I ain't gonna lie. I was listening to it, and I'm like, this got to be, like, satire or something. This can't be real. Like. Or his cte, like, kicked in. Like, I mean, mine kick in sometime, too, you know? You know, and I got to sit there, and I gotta think. I'm like, yo, is that me, or is that, like, arrogance and pride? Like, dude was saying, you know, like, and. And I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, like, you know what? I told you I like James, man. I gotta go back to James. And it sends me back to James. And I'm like, yo, James, Book of James. Quick to listen, slow to speak. So I gotta slow myself down. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I'm just glad. I'm just glad he. He backed off.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

He came back and apologized.

[Joe]

And, like, it's not. Dude. It's not a joke. You know, somebody got to him, obviously, and he got a. You know, he got. He got a realization, understanding. I mean, if you go back, I think they did A study in what, 20, 23, where they did 376 former players, they found that 345 of them had some form of CTE. That's 92% of the players they found. From a Boston University CTE center study, they found that, you know, a lot of, A lot of guys had some, some form of it. Joe, do you. You worry about cte, bra. You worry about if you got a little bit.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I don't think I got. I don't, I don't. I. I'm kind of.

[Joe]

There it is.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

There it is. There's a cte. It kicked in. There it is. So my, I mean, it gotta be. It gotta be. I think my. I, my memory, my long term memory for sure is shot. I know that for sure. I don't know my long term memory. Sometimes it's real spotty. My people, they gotta tell me when we did some vacations or whatever. I'm like, I done did. But I'm like, is it because I done did so much?

[Joe]

You done did so many things.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You did so much. Having a good time, like just blessed. But like when my friends would remind me of things that we've done, I'm like, okay, I just need a refresher. And then I could remember the time

[Joe]

you got stuck in Mexico.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I remember that.

[Joe]

That's okay. I'm just checking. I'm just checking.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

That's good. That's more short term. That's more short term. That's more short term. But yeah, but I think that people, for sure, CTE is a real thing. People getting hit upside the head. Dead serious. Debo is honestly real for show. And some people have it more than others. It might spike. I don't too much about like how people react and just moves and just feeling in certain type of ways. And it has to be a lot of stuff too, with just going to retiring and then not playing and then just a lot of things.

[Joe]

Mental health to keep your brain active.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

A lot of stuff, bro.

[Joe]

So I still do a lot of what I guess I would call like brain health type stuff. Healing, cognitive repair, like, it's just all, all kind of stuff like that. And a lot of. I also take like neurotropics, you know, and that's stuff that just helps, you know, your brain function, memory, mental energy, learning, intense, all that other stuff, you

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

I did a lot of that while I played too. So. Yeah, and I still, you know, I still do a great majority of it now, especially, you know, with all the Reports coming out of, you know, the CTE and what levels it is, all that other stuff. So yeah, this is something that is 100 real, you know, I gotta, I gotta make sure I'm, I'm 100, you know, aware and, and in, in play, especially you know, with my kids, you know, because I can't tell, you know, sometimes I gotta look back. I ain't gonna lie, Joe. My long term memory is trash too.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe]

I don't know why, but it's been trash, bro. They was asking me some questions about something at the Super Bowl. NFL Films was asking me questions about like something about like playing like whatever it was the game against. I want to say it was Green Bay. I'm like, dude, I couldn't tell you nothing about the Super bowl, like2011 Green Bay. I'm like, bro, I don't know, I don't know what. And actually Charlie Bash was there and Charlie's like, oh yeah, this happened, that happened. And they're like, well, do you remember anything about, you know, Saxon, Aaron, Roger? I'm like, I don't even think I heard a second. Charlie's like, yeah you did. You got a safety on him at home. I'm like, dude, when. I'm like, when like. And I'm on camera, bro, they.

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[Joe]

Talking to me and I'm like when

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

did that serious though he's like Charlie

[Joe]

just reciting and saying I'm like, I don't even remember this dude. I'm like, yo, y' all put Charlie up here. Like, put him up here. You ask him the questions. He got this.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

He got. He got the. He got the. He got the memory, right?

[Joe]

He got the memory, man. Like, super bright, you know, who was actually, like, super, super, super, super good at that, like, memory. He can take you back to, like, his playing days and sitting in a room with just whatever it may be, talking to a guy.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

See, Coach LeBeau's mental capacity, dude, like, crazy. Like, this man played back in the day when Hamill was like. Is the greatest I have ever heard or seen in life, dude.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Like, it's.

[Joe]

It's wild. Like, how well he.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Okay, yeah, that makes sense, because I seen, like, the one I coach, coach Sean McVeigh. He'd be. I know that man. Probably got a crazy mem. I know he was reciting plays and stuff all the time.

[Joe]

Like, dude, like, Kosobo down there. How old is he now? Almost mid-80s. He's still doing it. Still doing it, bro. I call him right now, he'll be like, hey, J, you remember the time? I'm like, damn, I don't remember. Oh, yeah, I think I. You know, I gotta. I don't remember. I don't.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You know, I'd be saying that, too. You remember? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I remember. Hey, yeah, I remember. I don't remember.

[Joe]

And then, especially when it's something that's like. Like, old me. You know what I'm saying? Like, the dude that wasn't saved, I'd

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

be like, I did that for real?

[Debo]

Sure.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Do you try? Really? You try to actually eliminate that memory yourself, bruh?

[Joe]

Yes, bro. And then, you know, you add. You might be out there partying, you know, a couple drinks on top of it. You're like, man, I don't know if I did. I might have. Oh, no,

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

We got in the chat.

[Joe]

What? We got in the chat. Super chat. Let's check it out. Take off.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

All right, Steelers needs Who we got? Liam 98.

[Joe]

7. $10. Appreciate you.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Thank you. Thank you. Steelers need to pay. Chris Boswell. Yes.

[Joe]

Pay the man.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Pay the man. That's bankroll, boss.

[Joe]

Pay the man.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

So I call him Bankroll every time

[Joe]

my man's pay at one point, about a year or two ago, I don't

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

know if they cut bank robots.

[Joe]

Hey, Chad, didn't they cut my man's pay about a year or two ago? Let me know, man. Let me know. I believe they did.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I believe they did covet it.

[Joe]

I believe they did. Do he. Is he on this? Is he on this last year or do he got two years left?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Oh, bankroll. Yeah, I think, I think he got a year left. Let me see,

[Joe]

man.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Bankroll, boss, but this is what I'm saying. He can't go anywhere though. We need about. We need boss.

[Joe]

Oh, no question.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Bank robots, four years as of. Oh man, 20, 22. He got a, he signed a four year 20. I think he's going to be okay. We got him this year. He's still under contract. This is going to be his last year. Year. Okay, it's 2027. He'll be unrestricted free agent. So we got to give him a little something this off season. A little two year extension.

[Joe]

Brother,

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

you're not right.

[Joe]

Super chat. They go read him up, man, they get him right? But I, I really believe they gave him a little bit of a pay cut like a while ago, man. I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you. I believe so. I, I don't know. I could be wrong.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I don't remember the bankroll bars.

[Joe]

Hey, like I said, man, my long term memory track.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

That's what I'm saying. You just be making stuff up sometimes.

[Joe]

I don't know, I feel like, bro, I really feel like they, they made, they had my man took a little cut or something, man. I swear I feel like that dude.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Like.

[Joe]

I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I could be wrong, man. Covenant Life 7. Oh, well, that's coming to life. It's coming like $10. Covenant Life Joe. Somebody burrow. I'm of course Joe. In the AFC north distillers are the greatest. Joe, no, she's talking to you, Joe. You run that, Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Oh, okay. Joe. And the AFC north distillers are the greatest. I'm not trying to be funny, but playing for the Browns, did you ever see, did you ever say damn, like Miles Garrett when being the worst team like the Falcons? Okay, Coveted life. I will always think, coveted life that we was going to win. I never went into a season being like, oh no, we got a terrible team. We always thought we was going to be able to win until we were mathematically eliminated. And then that's when you would be like, like, damn, we still won't go out here and hoop, bro.

[Joe]

Y' all like three and eight. And you think y' all got a chance, bruh?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

We could win. Yes, because we're not getting smacked. We weren't Just going out there getting whooped. We would lose by two, lose by three, flukishly lose. Like, we could win. I'm like, why can't it just. The ball need to fall our way one time. It's not like you're just going out there getting blowed out. So, yes, I did feel like we could win until we were mathematically eliminated. Then people got to looking crazy, and I'm like, this. Oh, man, this is not what it's supposed to be. Okay. Is that good?

[Joe]

Okay, Joe, whatever you say, man. Look here, man. Covenant light, back again, $2. 43. Troy Palomalu. Best to wear the 40s.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Yup.

[Joe]

See, you could have. You could have wore 40 and been okay with it.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

That's a safety. There's no corner. That's the. It's just safety wearing number 40. If you're a safety, then you could wear number 40 and look sweet like Troy Potamalu, like TJ Ward. But if you're a 40 at corner, you look like they're going to be throwing the ball at you a lot and going at your neck because they like, oh, Buddy got 40 in the corner. They must have just. Just threw that to him. Like, they gave Debo that 47.

[Joe]

They gave me 42. 46, maybe even 48. 93.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Okay.

[Joe]

And.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

[Joe]

It was never.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

It was never 40, never. 47. Okay.

[Joe]

47. Okay.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I just tried to get you to. Yeah, I just tried to get you.

[Joe]

Yep, That's. That's real disrespectful, Joe. That was just nasty. Like coming to life. Back. $10, you said. I tried not to come back to the super chat, but I had one more question just for you, Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Oh, Lord,

[Joe]

she said, Joe, please name all of the super bowl wins of the Pittsburgh. Oh, I don't know the score and who they played.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I don't know all of them.

[Joe]

I don't even know if I can cite that one.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

See, that's what I'm saying. This cover. Lee trying to. You came out here crazy.

[Joe]

I can tell you the ones we won.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I don't know.

[Joe]

That was it. That was it. Detroit. That was against Seattle.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

See, you got Devo Flusters.

[Joe]

And.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Who was it?

[Joe]

Who was it?

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Whoa.

[Joe]

Oh, the Cardinals. I told you, bro. Remember, Trash? I need. I gotta. I gotta go back in my Rolodex and I gotta see me playing and look at the team and what was the score? I couldn't even tell you to score.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Definitely. If we won, then that's like You.

[Joe]

No, we lost in 2000. 10, 11.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Look at Debo showing it. Showing it right now.

[Joe]

Showing what, bro? Ct, bruh. That was a little bit. Maybe. Hold up, man. See, now I'm about to go ahead and jump down your neck. I'm. Go ahead and see.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Give it a shot. Come on. Give it a shot. Who you got score? I know they beat the Cardinals, y'. All. The Cardinals. That was my man. Because I played with San Antonio Holmes. Toes.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on. They whip Dallas.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Dallas. Okay.

[Joe]

Dallas twice, maybe Dallas three times. I don't know. Wow.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Debo, Debo, Debo.

[Joe]

Hold on. I tell you.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You call yourself.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You call yourself.

[Joe]

Hold on, bro. Let me tell you.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You call yourself. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Why don't you just look in the history.

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[Joe]

I'm trying to help you out.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

No, you got stunned by the question. They tried to fry me.

[Joe]

I'm trying to act like. Trying to help you out.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

No, no, I need. Because how they gonna ask me for a question. You supposed to be the Mr. Steeler

[Joe]

Super bowl wins of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Nope, nope, nope. She tried to put. No, it was on you.

[Joe]

I can't even tell you.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Okay, let me get.

[Joe]

Dang.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

All right, so now the Vikings. The Cowboys. You. Right. Cowboys, Cowboys, Rams. Seattle, Arizona.

[Joe]

That's only five.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Minnesota Vikings. Minnesota Vikings.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Dallas Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys. That was twice, right? And 76. And 79. Then the Rams in 80.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Then the Seahawks in 06. And then the Cardinals in 2009.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yep.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, you got it right now.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

See? Okay.

[Joe]

Good googling, Joe.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

I had to. Yeah, you.

[Joe]

You couldn't. You didn't score.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You said Dallas. Is it Dallas?

[Joe]

I said Dallas and Dallas. You did three. Dallas, though.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You did do Dallas. You did do Dallas twice. You just gotta remember the Seattle, the Seahawks one. And the. And Minnesota Vikings in 75.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

So diva. I see. You gotta. Yeah. You just showed. You just showed. What was up, bro?

[Joe]

You showed what was up, too. What are you talking about, bro? Wow. Like, listen, Joe, we got somebody that said. What is it? Carl Spackler, 87. This man said, I will sell the naming rights to my first kid if we get your borough. He said he will sell the naming rights.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

That boy is selling his whole. His whole.

[Joe]

Not sell it. You gotta give it away. Give it away. That. Show me that you don't want nothing from it but burrow. Dedication, sacrifice. Show him some dedication to sacrifice, Joe Burrow. I let your boy.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

You know what time it is?

[Joe]

I'll let your boy you going up there, you talk to Mr. Brown, you let him know you go ahead, give me a call, tell me what he said. He won't. I jump on down there, Talk to Omar, talk to Mike McCarthy. Hey, we get the deal done. Look here we want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your podcast. Joe yes sir.

[Joe (likely Joe Haden)]

We will be back here tomorrow same time, same place and we out.

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[Debo]

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[Public Investing Announcer]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Debo]

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