Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Steelers QB Decision Fuels Offseason Rumors

Summary

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Episode: Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Steelers QB Decision Fuels Offseason Rumors
Date: February 23, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Deebo, and intermittent contributions from Joe)

Overview

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, Deebo (James Harrison) holds court, riffing on everything from personal growth to tattoos, Steelers QB dilemmas, NFL free agency, and the difficult truths of professional sports as business. Intermingled with Pittsburgh sports nostalgia and candid stories, he also addresses serious mental health themes and the importance of community—especially in the wake of NFL-related tragedies. Joe, usually a steadying force, is mostly absent (explained in the show), which gives Deebo extra room to vent, muse, and field lively chat questions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tattoos, Pain, and Family Legacy

• Deebo opens up about Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson getting a full-body tattoo under anesthesia.
  • Jokingly questions the Browns’ toughness and uses the tattoo as a symbol for a broader critique of the team’s culture.
  • Notable Quote:

    "I don't like the anesthesia for a tattoo. I feel like you got to earn that. But, you know, it's a Browns player, so…" (03:17)

• He tells vivid stories about his own tattoos — their meaning, the pain, and why he got his sons’ birthdates inked “just in case you forget, because I was horrible with dates.”
  • Notable Quote:

    "The greatest thing that God has ever given me is my kids. They saved my life, man." (06:20)

• Remembers his first tattoo and sibling rivalry, poking fun at his brother for not “taking the pain.”

2. From Browns Heartbreak to Steelers Loyalty

• Shares his transition from lifelong Browns fan (growing up in Akron, Ohio) to diehard Steelers supporter:
  • Describes formative sports pain: Browns' Silver Era, Denver playoff heartbreaks, and “losing the colors” when the team left for Baltimore.
  • Notable Quote:

    "How many teams do you know actually leave a city and they make the team leave the colors? I am no longer a Browns fan...I went to the next best thing, which was the Steelers." (04:00)

• Bemoans the Browns' decision to insist on keeping the brown and orange, calling them “Dookie, brown and orange… like, who wants that?” (04:51)

3. Pittsburgh Steelers QB Controversy & Free Agency

• Turns the conversation to Steelers’ quarterback situation:
  • Discusses Malik Willis’s rumored free agency price (“bag” between $25 and $30 million) and hesitancy to pay unless sure he’s the guy—especially with Aaron Rodgers and Will Howard in the mix.
  • Notable Quote:

    "That is not a ticket I think we can go and do, unless we're 100% sure he's going to be the guy—especially with the decision on Aaron Rodgers still not being done." (14:20)

• Expresses curiosity about giving Will Howard a real shot, referencing positive opinions from current Raiders’ players and new staff perspectives (Mike McCarthy).
• Acknowledges the difficulty of transitioning rosters and “not losing that identity of who we are as Steelers.”

4. Pro Sports as Business: Ownership, Priorities & Stadium Drama

• Riffs on the Chicago Bears’ stadium saga: president Kevin Warren may have overstepped with public statements, owner George McCaskey is reportedly “livid,” but Deebo speculates it might just be a negotiation ploy.
• Highlights Major League Baseball’s commercial priorities:
  • Cites Los Angeles Angels owner on winning not being a top five priority—the real goal is “affordability, safety, and a good experience.”
  • Notable Quote:

    "He said winning is not a priority. He said the number one thing fans want is affordability...believe it or not, winning is not even in the top five." (21:02)

• Draws parallel with Pittsburgh Pirates: “Seems like every time we get a good one, they trade him off 'cause it's all about that bag.”

5. Anecdotes: Baseball, Fatherhood, and Hockey Fails

• Deebo shares failed attempts to get his kids into baseball and hockey:
  • Vivid story about the trauma of trying to hit a high school curveball (23:55).
  • His sons, taken to a luxury suite for a Pirates game, complain by the second inning: “These little bastards... want to leave. It's boring.” (37:33)
  • Hockey trips also failed: “We get there — no fight, zero. I can't even get him into hockey... these kids don’t want to listen nowadays.” (40:00)
• Talks about the value of playing multiple sports for kids’ overall athletic development.

6. Steelers Roster Talk: Free Agency Worries, Role Players, and the Chat’s Pulse

• Engages live chat, especially regular “Covenant Life,” over concerns about roster turnover with a new regime.
  • Advocates for re-signing key role players (highlights Ben Skowronek and Herbic) and rationalizes possible trades for players like Highsmith to make cap room.
  • Notable Quote:

    "We need to keep a lot of the role players. Ben Skowronek being one... he's a hell of a special teams player and he can play offense when needed." (48:30)

• Stresses importance of not losing “who we are as Steelers.”

7. Mental Health, Brotherhood, and Spiritual Support

• Answering chat concerns and reflecting on an NFL tragedy, Deebo speaks directly to the importance of community and checking on each other:
  • Advocates for strong friendships and spiritual support, crediting his own faith journey for positive changes.
  • Notable Quote:

    "Everybody should check in on your people... For me, it's your relationship with your Lord and Savior. That, for me, has been the greatest difference in my life." (51:00)

• Praises moments of the team coming together to pray, and urges everyone to prioritize mental health.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• On Browns Colors & Loyalty Shift:

  "How do you force somebody to leave their colors? ... Dookie, brown and orange. Like, who wants that? That's like trash." – Deebo (04:51)

• On Tattoo Pain:

  "Every tattoo I got, as soon as they hit the needle on me, I'd be like, oh, wipe it off. Is it a mark there? They'd be like, yeah, like, damn. Go ahead, finish it." (08:57)

• On Sports Ownership:

  "This is a business, and I'm in the business of making money, baby. That's what he said. That's the owner of a professional sports team." (22:56)

• On Raising Kids and Learning Sports:

  "You play football, but if you play other sports, it'll make you better in your chosen sport... but these dudes don't understand." (32:30)

• On Mental Health & Brotherhood:

  "Having that relationship and that foundation... God first, it's been unbelievably helpful in my life." (51:00)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:17 – Deebo riffs about Deshaun Watson’s full-body tattoo and Browns culture
• 04:00 – Tells story of growing up a Browns fan and “switching” to Steelers
• 06:20 – Deebo on having children, legacy, and self-transformation
• 14:20 – Breaks down Steelers QB and free agency rumors (Malik Willis, Rodgers, Howard)
• 21:02 – Discussion on Bears stadium drama & MLB ownership’s business priorities
• 23:55 – Story about the trauma of batting against a curveball
• 37:33 – Deebo’s failed attempts to get his sons into baseball
• 40:00 – Tries and fails to interest his sons in hockey
• 48:30 – Steelers roster talk: role players, free agency, identity
• 51:00 – Mental health, faith, support systems, and real talk about loss in the NFL

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Memorable Moments

• The tattoo anesthesia tangent and how it becomes a stand-in for perceived “softness” in modern sports culture.
• Deebo’s merciless trolling of his brother over tattoo choices.
• Revealing moment of vulnerability: “I never wanted kids… But when I had James, it was like, oh, snap. I love this dude. It’s killing me.” (06:20)
• High school baseball curveball story and the comedic trauma of ducking pitches.
• Candid ranking of ownership priorities (money over winning) and how that impacts fans and players alike.
• Purposeful pivot to mental health and spiritual wellness after recent player tragedies.

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Tone and Style

• Unfiltered, direct, and humor-laden.
• Blunt assessments of professional sports as business.
• Candid about personal history, family, and struggles—melding comedy with real vulnerability.
• Engaged and heartfelt when discussing faith, mental health, and the brotherhood of football.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a wide-ranging ride through the mind and heart of Deebo, blending sports analysis, personal storytelling, and hard-won wisdom. If you want authentic locker room candor—tempered with moments of reflection on what matters most—this is a must-listen.

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Browns. Your guy, DeShawn, he went on here and got him a full body tattoo. Now this full body tattoo, I guess has everything in there with his career. I'm not even gonna go into that. I don't know. I guess he got his family on there. He got something about empty super bowl rings. He got his whole body, full body done. They put him under anesthesia. Now. Listen, I don't, I don't like the anesthesia for a tattoo. I feel like you got to earn that. But, you know, it's a Browns player, so, you know, I mean, I wouldn't expect them to want to earn it. You know, it's just the Browns, you know, I don't know if they know how to, you know, starts at the ownership all the way down. I just, I can't help myself. I just know. I don't know why I have a problem with the brown and orange. Here's the crazy thing. I used to be a Browns fan, okay. But from Akron, Ohio. Born and raised. Ak AKA Rowdy Roddy. West side, Summit county, okay. All that good stuff. And I was a die hard Browns fan. Bernie Kozar, all that. Kevin Mack, you got, you got, you got whip slot, all that. I'm a die hard Brown fan. Like crazy. Denver used to whoop us every time crying, crying like tears. And then we would go and. Or they would go and they would leave because Cleveland didn't want to just give art model stadium, like just get a man stadium and they Left and they went to Baltimore, and in quick succession, they won a Super Bowl. That could have been you, Cleveland. That could have been you, Cleveland. But the reason I left is because they fought to keep the Browns colors. Now, how many teams do you know of that actually leave a city and they make the team leave the colors? This is the only one I ever heard of in my life. Everybody else, the colors go with them. How do you force somebody to leave their colors? I don't know what he did. What happened with model. I don't know what happened. Whatever he did, they made him lead the colors, okay? And if they had just let the colors go because they are terrible colors. Dookie, brown and orange. Like, who wants that? That's like trash. So when they did that, I said, you know what? I am no longer a Browns fan. We had a chance to get rid of everything and start over, and I went to the next best thing, which was the Steelers closest plus at Greg Lloyd over there, that Kevin Green, the boys over there balling. Like, I'm looking at. You know, I'm looking at defenses going crazy, you know? So I don't. That's why I did what I did. But how do y' all feel about people going to sleep to get a full body tattoo? Chat. How do y' all feel about people going to sleep, getting put to sleep to get a full body tattoo? Okay, like, is that done by, like, a true, like, doctor, like, medical professional? Like, you're being put to sleep? Like, is. Are they using Propofol? Like, are they using the milk? Like, do they put too much on you? Like, I don't. Like, do they. Do they monitor you? How do. Do they put a. Do they put a. A, you know, a thing in your throat to make sure your. Your airways clear? Like, are they. They monitoring your blood pressure, your heartbeat, all that? Like, how does that work? I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not being put to sleep for a tattoo, bro. I don't. I just don't understand it. Like, how. What. What. What. What do you. How do y' all feel about that? I just can't. I just can't fathom being put to sleep for a tattoo. I feel like that's something you earn. If it's something that you really feel that passionate about, you should be able to take the pain and go through it because it's worth it. Like, my last tattoos, I got. Okay, it was worth it for me. So. Last two tattoos I got is James. It's my son, And Henry. So I got Henry here, right? And I got James here, okay? And I got their birth dates. And I'm gonna tell you why I got their birthdays. This is crazy. This is gonna sound crazy. I know it's gonna sound crazy. All right? I'm hard on remembering. And. And listen. I know. Listen. This is. I can remember my kids birthdays. Like, I thought that was going to be something that I couldn't remember. That's not why I put it on there. I put it on there because I love my kids, okay? And. But the dates was a subconscious thing that was like, yo, put the dates on there, too, because, you know, just in case you forget, because I was horrible with dates. Like, I could just go ahead and, you know, tap my arm and be like, yeah, when your son was born? Oh, man, you talking about my oldest son. Yeah, dude. And my youngest. You know, I could do that. And I. And I could play it all. Because I didn't. I didn't. I didn't think. Listen. I didn't think that I was going to be like. Like, be able to remember them. And. And something that I didn't. Didn't realize was the. I don't know. I don't know how many people notice, but I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be real transparent with y'. All. I probably shouldn't say this, but I never wanted kids. Like, I never planned to have kids. But when I had James, and the reason for that was I never wanted to love anybody more than I did myself, okay? And when I had James, it was like, oh, snap. I love this dude. It's killing me. I'm trying to. I'm trying to fight, like. I'm trying to fight all this. You know what I'm saying? Like, and then I'm like, oh, man. Only child is a lonely child, so I got to have him a brother. And the greatest. The greatest thing that God has ever given me is. Is. Is. Is my kids. And they. They. They saved my life, man. I don't think if it was for. If it wasn't for them, I would not be here today. I really and honestly, truly. Getting back to the tattoo. That's why I put the. Put the names in the tattoo. It was worth it for me to do it. Now, with that being said, that's the last tattoo I got. Because the pain during wasn't the issue. Yeah, the pain was the issue during. I ain't gonna lie to you. Every tattoo I got, as soon as they hit the needle on Me, I'd be like, oh, wipe it off. Is it a mark there? They'd be like, yeah, like, damn. Go ahead, finish it. Okay. But I remember that pain so vividly afterwards. And during that. I haven't got another tattoo since then. And I think that was like 2009. And I got 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 tattoos or something like that. I got my grandmother, I got my mom and dad. And then of course, I got my last name on me because that was my first one fresh that I got, you know, while I was still in high school, my mom was so mad and upset, my brother. My brother Ross, he took me to get it out. I was 18, you know, like, yeah, you can go do it. Da, da, da, da. You know what? I didn't realize I was still staying at home, you know what I'm saying? I was still staying at home. It was over with, you know what I'm saying? Got home, it was a problem. Let's just say it was a problem when I got home, okay? But it was more of a problem with my brother because he the one took me and listen, this dude so soft. This pussy right here, you know what he did? His last name, Johnson. He got scared and he put Ross because he didn't want to take the. He didn't want to take the pain of putting his whole last name. He sold out on me. I come out there with Harrison across my arm. He come out with Ross. Bruh, Bruh. I'm gonna punch you in your face. Now I think about it. Now I think about you was a 30, 30 something year old man out of the marines at that, bro. Bro, Bro, you trash, bro. You trash. Now think about it, bro. Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. You super trash, bro. Hey, you did your boy dirty, man. You did your boy dirty. You know you did. You know you did, bro. I. I so upset. I'm so upset with you, man. I so upset. Hey, I love you, man. I love you, man. I love you. But you sold me out. You did me dirty now. You did me dirty. Okay, now I'm gonna let that slide, though. I'm let it slide, but I'm gonna say, man, I gotta let it go, but I don't know why it's bringing me up. You know what? Joe ain't here to talk me down. That's what it is. And we were supposed to get in some of that free agency stuff, you know what I'm saying? You know, we looking at Malik Willis and they saying right now his free agency Bag is gonna be somewhere between 25 and 30. That is not a ticket I think we can go and do. Unless we're 100% sure that he's going to be the guy. Especially with the decision on Aaron Rodgers still not being done, not being out there, not not being set in stone. I believe that Mike McCarthy is still open to it. And, you know, I think they gave me till before the draft. You know, they're still entertaining it. Obviously they haven't said no, we need a decision now, whatever. But I would be, I would be kind of interested to see Aaron back and just see what it is, what the outcome would be with a new staff and see, you know, with the new offense, with the new, you know, a whole new, you know, whole new defensive coach, that whole new staff and see what that outcome would look like. I know Will is still there. I'm trying to figure out why we haven't given him a chance. What is he, a fifth, sixth round pick? some point we got to get this man a chance. But I'm kind of, I was, I've been thinking about, I'm kind of interested to see what that would look like with him being able to get into a more, you know, or a different, I should say offense and a staff that I feel will be able to give more of a coordinated effort and be able to develop the, the players that are there and teach them things as far as like learning how to actually read, you know, defensives and, and what needs to be done and, and all that. I mean, Joe, I know is, is behind, you know, the Malik, Will Willis thing, but I don't think he's behind at it at 30, you know, just to see if it works out. Especially when we haven't seen what Will Howard can do. And on top of that, we had. What's his name drawing a blank right now. Raiders chat Raiders. Lyman. He's, he's, he's positive on, on Will Howard. He said he actually likes him. He wants to see, he wants to see what he, you know, what he can do to give him a chance. And that was something that McCarthy actually said too. So in his opening prep concert, I, I believe he opening press conference, I believe he said that. So that's something, you know, here nor there, a little bit of everywhere. So let's go. What we got that Nah ain't crazy. A little bit, maybe not. Who knows? But the Bears new stadium. Listen, it's being said that what old Kevin, what's his name? Kevin Warren. What Kevin Warren said was not 100 approved. He is the president but the owner. What's his name? 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The what is it? McCarthy family. McCaskey family. Yeah. McCaskey family said, hey, he might not. They saying he ain't. Well, that's the word. The word is. It's not. No official was given that, you know, he's wasn't authorized to say it, but they're saying that, you know, he may be in hot water. The Bears owner George McCaskey is livid with the president and CEO of the handling of Thursday's events. That's what said, if that's the case, we got an issue. We got a serious issue, people. Or is it not the case because if he was that livid when he came out and made a public statement about it, or is this just a little. A little bit of, I don't know, you know? But on Saturday, Kevin said, we continue to work with Illinois leadership. So it's a mirror behind it. Listen, maybe that might was one of them things where, hey, I need you to go say this. And then I'm gonna come back like, hold up. What you talking about? And then you come back and say, hey, we go continue to work with y' all just to get them to be like, hey, we need you to realize that they serious about moving so y' all could go ahead and start getting that money together in Illinois before they be called the Hammond Bears. Okay? Because they ain't gonna leave their colors there. I'm telling you right now, Chicago, they ain't gonna leave their colors there. Y' all better come up on that money, man. Better come up on that money. And the mayor, or is it the mayor? I think it's the mayor of. Of Chicago. He just wanted y' all to look at his face, make sure his face was right. I don't know what that was all about anyway. I guess his face is supposed to tell something, but they don't give a damn about your face. They want to know what your pocket's saying. Because it's about the money. It's about the money. I'm gonna tell you that right now. 100 bought that paper. All you got to do is look at Los Angeles owner. He said winning. He said winning ain't no priority. Sorry, sorry. Los Angeles Angels, he said, yeah. Los Angeles Angels owner. He said winning is not a priority. He said he ain't hiding it. He said the number one thing the fans want is affordability. They wanna. They want affordability, they want safety, and they want a good experience when they come to the ballpark, believe it or not, winning is not even in the top five. Winning ain't even in their top five. He is the owner of the Los Angeles Angels, and I'm a player. And you telling me winning ain't in your top five or their top five? Which means for him, he's a businessman, and he is about the business of making money, not the business of winning championships. Okay, here you go. He said, the moms want to be able to afford to bring the kids. Moms make about 80% of the decisions. They want to be able to bring their kids and be affordable, and they want safety and they want to have a good experience. So they get all the entertainment stuff. Or whatever. Or whatever. Or whatever. He said, the purest, you know, it's just straight winning. We ain't got no purists around here. He said, I want to be able to just get the people that want to have some entertainment. We don't care about the sports fans. We don't care about you purists. We care about making this money. Listen, this is a business, and I'm in the business of making money, baby. That's what he said. That's the owner. That's. That's. That. That's the owner of a professional sports team. Hey, I. I don't know how much, you know how much clearer you could. You could. You could say this. And he. He ain't sugar coated. He ain't sugar coated. Let him know. Now, if you think Major League Baseball owners are the only ones saying it, They may be the only one saying it out loud or foolish enough to say it out loud, but. And they ain't got no cap and ain't even got no salary cap. He's saying this out loud with no salary cap. It ain't. Hey, if you playing for the Los Angeles Angels, get that bad because you ain't about to win no championship, ain't worried about nothing but the. But having a good time selling them tickets to them people that he need to sell and that's it. Listen, this is the only time I'd have never thought that I might be able to play baseball. Ain't no pressure over there to win. I might be able to go over there, give me a little bag, at least a lunch pail. Hopefully, if I could stay in there for the curb. I got a problem with the curb. I got a problem with the curveball. I ain't gonna lie to y'. All I tried to play baseball in high school. I started late. Started late. Now it was my junior or senior year, okay? And they want me to go out there and play baseball, try to play Bill. So I was fast, you know what I'm saying? That was when I was. That was when I was light. The book said I was 6, 2, 2, 10, but I was 6 foot, about 190 pounds, okay? But I was fast, okay? I was fast. I used to play running back. I used to play running back. All right? I ain't gonna lie to you. I was victim weight at one time. That was. I was victim weight, okay? But that was in high school. That was in high school. Wasn't quite yet a grown man yet. I wasn't like Joe. I wasn't grown man, victim weight. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So they say, hey, man, come on out, man. Let's try some baseball, man. So I get out there, right? I'm sitting in there, you know, and I'm. I'm in there banging it, you know, Hitting a little bit here, Hitting a little bit there. Missing 2. Missing a little bit, too. Missing a little bit, too. But, hey, I could run the base to get down there. They couldn't. I still wanted them things, right? So day one, they played me. They played me. Listen. They played me. They played me like a fool. I played my. They played me like a fool. They knew what they was doing. Dang. They could have got me out of there day one, but they went and played with me. So this. Oh, two. And I think about it. So this is what they did, right? So I'm in there, I'm thinking I'm gonna get. You know, I'm about to do it. So we get back, it's day two. Day two. I'm a righty, so I'm batting right handed, right? So I get out there and they say, all right, give him a curve. I'm like, what's a curve? Curveball. I'm like, cool, let's go. They got a righty throwing to me. I don't know how many of y' all that never had a curveball through etching. And you ain't never had a ball thrown at you, period, until the day before. Now this is day two, okay? This dude throws this curveball. He's a righty. I'm batting right. The ball looks like it's about to hit me in the head. It's a curve. He's in high school. He got a curveball that came like this and zoomed in bow and came down on your boy. I didn't know the damn ball could do that. So as soon as he released it, I waited about a quarter second and I went to duck. When I went to duck, I ducked down and I hear I almost hit myself in the head ducking because it went into the strike zone. I'm ready to charge him in practice because I think he done tried to hit me with the ball until I ducked down and realized almost popped myself. So they go, hey, you gotta stand in there and wait a little longer to make sure it's a curve. I'm like, what you mean? So I stand in there, he throw it again. I stand in there, I try and wait a little longer. As I wait, the ball don't look like it's is. So again, I duck. I dug down. But I back out this time so I can see where it's going. But I'm like this, pow. I said, look here, I'm gonna let you throw one more. If I can't stand in there, I quit, bruh. Oh, my. Go on, my daddy. I could not stand in there. I couldn't stand in there. That ball hit you in the head, bro. I can't. I can't take that. And you want me to wait and see? I see how baseball players get hit. When y' all see the ball and it's coming straight at their head, they like it's about to curve and then it don't. That's how they get hit. They don't let their fear factor go away and be like, no, no. And I'm going to tell you, see, and that's something else. Look, if you hit me with a baseball, you just threw a 80, 90, 100 mile an hour baseball at me, right? And I by some way get out of the way or you hit me now. If you hit me, why would I drop the bat on my way to come see you? You just threw a baseball at my head. You just tried to take my life. You think I ain't bringing that bat with me? Like, what are you talking about? You go drop the bat and charge. No, I'mma slap this dude right here. I'm a slap the catcher with this bat across his head so he can't get to me before I get to you. And then I'm coming to see you. And then they be hitting each other because you made a home run on me and you didn't run the bases fast enough or you looked at me after you hit it. What your dumb ass shouldn't have Threw the ball where I can hit the home run. Listen, baseball got a totally different set of rules that I don't understand. And that's why I didn't play it. I had to get out of it before I even started. So I don't anybody in here play baseball that understand. Would it come, like, what makes it so that y' all believe that it's okay for me to slap you with a ball because you hit a home run on me and then looked at me? Who. Who does that? Who. Who says that's okay? What's the dude's name? Oh, my goodness. Little short dude, baseball. He used to bang Kirby Puckett. Didn't they pop Kirby Puckett like, with a baseball in the head or something? I think they indicate man, career or something, didn't they? Like, come on, who in the. Bruh, bruh. Like, come on, bruh. Hit in the face by a 95 mile an hour fastball. Broke this man's jaw. Guess who did it. Cleveland. I told you, ain't nothing. Ain't nothing good in Cleveland. Y' all don't want to listen to me, Man, Cleveland dirty. Everything about them dirty. The colors dirty, dirty brown, Dookie brown. They. They Angle. I used to be an Indians fan, though. Angle I. That's back when they had. They're back when they had Bill, that's where. When they had Bill. They're the guardians now, but back when they had Bill, you know, Bill, he was. He was chasing kids with baseball bass. They want to play around, play games, you go slap them. You go slap them little baskets with some baseball bats. Now, I understand. I understand that. Hey, you want to play? I got something for you to play with. I got something. Hey, you don't play with me. Go play with your mama now. Go play with your mom and your daddy. You don't play with me. He was gonna slap me with that baseball bat. But I remember they won like a 100 something games. That was like a big thing. And then we ended up losing the world Series. See, that's when I was a Cleveland fan. I was Cleveland fan back then. That's the thing. That's. I was a Cleveland fan. It ain't. I ain't gonna lie. It ain't too much celebrate around here in Pittsburgh with baseball. And I ain't gonna lie. I think they. I hate to say it, but I think. I think the. I think the Pirates might be like this. This owner over here with that baseball thing. Now, it seemed like every time we get a good one, they talk about this Good one. We got that. All of a sudden, they didn't, they didn't slung him off, they done traded him off because they know y' all about to run to that baseball game. Y' all know, y' all know y' all about to run to that baseball game. They trade him off. When it comes time for that bag to get paid, I'm gonna have to, man, listen, I might have to check out some Pirates just because of that. Now that I'm thinking about. Listen, I also went to a Pirates game, so I was trying to get my kids, I was trying to get my kids into other sports. Like these dudes don't understand. 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and it's just me, James and Henry. This suite is huge. It's probably like 20 seat suite. Food, all that in there, right? We get there, I'm like, all right, cool, let's do this. We eat the food. We. We sitting there watching the game. These little bastards, they get to the second inning and they talking about they want to leave. It's boring. I say, what? I ain't even got to that point yet. Hey, listen, let it play out. We gotta. They ain't doing nothing. It ain't no action going on. I'm like, yeah, but somebody go hit something, it's gonna be. It's gonna be action. Nah. I said, all right then if y' all want to leave. I tried to. You ain't never coming to another baseball game again in your life. I ain't never taking y', all, okay? I held to my parents, and they ain't. They actually ain't never asked to go back to another baseball game, but that was me trying to get them into baseball. So they a little older, a lot older now, but I might. I might have to see if I could get him back into. It's gonna be too late for him to play any baseball because that curveball, I'm telling you, that curveball is a monster. And I knew they did that on purpose. They could have had a lefty throw me a curveball. That way, I could have stood in there. They know. They know what they did. They could have gave me a lefty first. Then I would have seen that it could curve back in before he threw that first one at my head. And it didn't go at my head, but in my mind, I knew it was going in my head. I want anyway. And then I also. I tried to get them into hockey. So I went to, like, two pens games. I'm like, they like, yeah, these games right here, they about to fight. They about to fight. They go fighting. These games. We get there, no fight, zero. Zero action. I said, they're supposed to be fighting. Don't get mad at me. That's what they told me. This is the game. It was supposed to go down. So we go to another one, right? Go to this one. No action. I can't even get him into. I can't. I can't even get him into hockey. And I'm like, yo, look, I take. I take. I take him to the Keezels. I'm like, yo, look, they let them fist the cuff a little bit. They don't let them do, like, the, you know, like. Like the pros do, but they let them get into a little scuffle. You know, they let them, go ahead, bump a little bit. I throw the stick across your neck. You know what I'm saying? Put me in the box. You know, they let them get a couple of jabs in before, you know, for the ref gets through there. I'm like, yeah, you get to fight on skates. They're like, yeah, but I could just go to the gym and just fight with him on my feet, you know? I'm like, y' all don't understand how this works. Like, you learn how to skate. That's go. That's gonna help you better. I don't. You know, Dan, I don't want to do that. I'm like, dude, balance, coordination, all that. I don't know why these kids don't want to listen nowadays, man, but we're going to have to check out some baseball game. And on top of that, we got to see what's going on in the chat. Okay? I'm saying we. I told Joe, Joe, listen, I don't want to say nothing reckless, because I got to make sure my man make it home, But I told your ass, don't you go there. I said, when you said, hey, where is that? I'M going. It's Cabo. Where, cowboy? Where is that? Mexico? Oh, hell. Hell, no. Listen, before I travel somewhere, I gotta make sure that everything that could go wrong, if it does go wrong, can I be good? If the answer is no, I can't go, and I'm gonna be. I'm. And it's gonna sound a little messed up. I'll be a little honest. I can't go nowhere where I can't communicate if I'm not fluent in the language of whatever it is, and the only thing I'm fluent in is English, I can't go because if I get jammed up, I don't even know how to communicate. Like, what I need to do to give you whatever I need to give you to get out of this jam. Like, it don't. It don't make no sense. We're gonna go on over here to the chat, though, man. Covenant Life back. Covenant Life. Stay on. Covenant Life. Stay on it, though. Look here. Covenant Life, $10. Covenant Life. You be out there traveling, too. Hey, don't. Don't be. Don't be going down. And then before I get to the chat, I got other people that's like, I'm going. I'm thinking about going down to Mexico. I got a trip set up. You think I should still go? Hell, no. What you asking me for? The government didn't already say, hey, y', all, get up out of there. Get up out of there. Check the site, doc. God say, get up out of there, boss. Shelter in place. You want to fly down there to shelter in place? And they might be waiting at the airport because that's the first thing they did, is they went at the airport. They went at the airport, was like, yeah, we know it's some Americans in here. Covenant Life. She said, joe, we love you. Please be safe. Get back to you. Get back to the pod very soon. Praying for you. Praying for your safety plan. Praying for your. Praying for everyone in your safe return. No question. Oh, we got. Listen. Hey, Chad, throw some prayers up for Joe. Let me see it. Let me see it. My boy. My boy on his way back, I'm hoping. Let me hit my guy up. Let me see if he. Let me check it out. Let me call my dude. Let me see where he at at. Jojo. Jojo. Covenant Life. We got another one for coming to life. Hold on. Calling my guy Joe right now. Whoa. We got Covenant, like, Covenant Light coming to life. Covenant like talking to me today, baby. Covenant Life. $20. She said, this makes me nervous about the new regiment because we may be losing some very good players in our, You know. He didn't answer. Joe did not answer. Phyllis, Damn it. Joe didn't answer. Joe did not answer. Chat. Joe did not answer. We need. We need prayers in the chat now. Let's go. She said, this makes me very nervous about the new regimen because we may be losing regime. Sorry. We may be losing some very. We may be losing some very good players in our team. Look, the same change is good, but we don't want to lose that identity of who we are as Steelers. I understand what you. I understand what you're saying. Like, yeah, you got to pay our players. I don't think we're going to lose very. Or, or a lot of guys that are. Had more than. Had key roles. I should say had key roles in what it was that we were doing. So I don't think we're going to lose a lot of them. But I also believe that we need to keep a lot of the role players. Ben Skoranik being one of those guys, I think he's a guy that we need to keep because he's a hell of a special teams player and he can play. He can play in the offense as a receiver when needed. I mean, you can just look and see he was dominant, you know, in the special teams game. He made the Pro Bowl. I believe that's a player that we have to keep. So I just don't. I don't see us losing players like that of his status. And I believe we'll be able to keep most of our, you know, key, key starters. You know, another one, like I said, I'm nervous about or I'm, I'm weary of or, or however you want to say it is. Herbic. Herbic is another one. I'm hoping we can see what we can do with that and, you know, the whole Highsmith situation. So I guess we're. We're gonna have to wait and see. Covenant life again. $50. She said yesterday, because it was Sunday, I watched three recorded Pittsburgh Steelers games and let me tell you that Jack is. Be our beast. And the player that we need to immediately give up is. Oh, hell no. Smith put in Howard. Give up. What's that? Hell no, Smith. Who is Smith? What's Smith? I don't know what that one is, but I understand to put Howard in. Jack is good, but Jack is still, he's still young. I think he's a rookie. Right. So we don't. Oh, she wants to give up Highsmith. I don't know I understand, I understand. Jack held down. I think it was when TJ was out. So like I said, the whole, the whole Highsmith situation and how we have other, we have Herbert actually coming up. That's something that I'm just, you know, it's not that he can't play, it's just that I think we could get a lot or can get a significant amount or, or in, in trade from him for him versus the potential of, of drop or, or better play with the guys that, that are there in long term of play. As far as having a multi year deal, being able to be put in place with guys who are coming up and only have, you know, only have one year, only have one year left, you know, on their contract. Especially with, you know, we gotta, we gotta get joy paid. Like, is that something that, you know, we gotta do to open up money to get guys paid along with being able to get a, a better deal now versus letting them play out the deal, you know what I'm saying? And then trying to sign him after the year, it's not, I don't, I don't think that's something that's going to be conducive to us being able to get a good deal. Especially if he, if he balls out, we got another one. Covenant Life. A hundred dollars. Whoo. Thank you very much. Covenant Life she said, let's continue to pray. This is the most, this is the most important message actually. She says let's continue to pray for the players because we don't know how, we don't really know what mental stress some of these players are under just to make a team or just to stay relevant because we're losing too many wonderful men. I've always loved seeing the players come together to pray. Yeah, we ended up losing a player. He, He had, obviously he had some issues that led him to do a thing that, you know, you, you can't come back from. I think everybody should, you know, check in on your people. I think guys that are close to you. I think another thing is that guys are afraid to ask for help. You have to have a close group of friends that you are willing to be vulnerable with, willing to be 100, open and honest about. And you know, number one, I believe it's your relationship with your Lord and savior. And that for me has been the greatest difference for me in my last two years is accepting my Lord and Savior and building a relationship with those like minded and being around people who are like minded. I understand, you know, mental health. You need to have Mental, you know, experts and all that to talk to. But having that, that relationship and that foundation, God first, it's been unbelievable helpful in my life. It's other people that, like, it's times, man, where I'm going through something and it's crazy. I'm not gonna say his name, but since I've started my walk in my journey with building a relationship with my Lord and savior, this dude calls me or he'll. He'll text me and he like, hey, what you doing? Let's meet up. And it's like, it's like perfect timing. It's almost like God is talking to him. Hey. And I'm, you know, I'm still at that point where I'm hesitant to reach out, but I'm also not in a situation where I'm thinking about doing anything to myself. But it's situations where, you know what? I probably should talk to somebody because it would be good. I'm in a bad place right now, but it's almost like he feels it, dude. It's crazy. It's crazy. And also my son, he talks to my son too. No, I got, I got, I got two. I got two real, real close friends, brothers in Christ that, that had my back that God has his hands on, obviously. And, you know, I think that's something that everybody should have, man. If you're not saved, get. Say you don't have a relationship with your Lord and savior. Start being one. It makes things different. You know, everybody. Everybody calls somebody. Everybody loves somebody. Everybody loves somebody. Everybody check on somebody. I'm gonna check on Joe. 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