Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Steelers waiting on Aaron Rodgers decision + Jim Schwartz resigns

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Deebo & Joe (Part 2): Steelers Waiting on Aaron Rodgers Decision + Jim Schwartz Resigns

Date: February 10, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (absent in this segment); Co-hosts: Deebo & Joe

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the offseason uncertainties in the NFL, with detailed discussion of the Pittsburgh Steelers’ quarterback situation involving Aaron Rodgers, prospects of a rebuild, coaching challenges, and commentary on the Cleveland Browns’ defensive coordinator resignation, Jim Schwartz. Later, Deebo and Joe break down the financial hit of the "jock tax" on Super Bowl players, future draft strategy, NFL coaching realities, and field questions from listeners. The relaxed, sometimes comedic tone includes candid takes and inside stories as only ex-players can provide.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Steelers’ Quarterback Conundrum: Aaron Rodgers or Rebuild?

(02:38 – 07:42)

• Joe expresses exhaustion over “middle of the pack” seasons with Aaron Rodgers, advocating a true rebuild:

  • “I'm ready for the ship to sink or swim. We're going to get Will Howard and we're going to see.” (03:18)
  • Frustrated by sticking with quick fixes: “Putting band aids on it … that's as best we gonna get. We gonna get a rod back again, and then we'll lose in the first round and ... be in the same position.” (03:29)

• Deebo agrees, highlighting new coaching hires (Angelico, former Vikings passing game coordinator) and their developmental potential:

  • “I'm with you ... let's see what we have with Will Howard and run it from there … I need to have something else that either. I don't know what I'm gonna get with, and I'm gonna take a chance.” (05:04-06:11)
  • Skeptical of backup Mason Rudolph: “You know what you're going to get with him. I don't like what I'm going to get with him.” (05:50)

• Both want fresh energy and direction — not another season waiting on Rodgers’ 42-year-old decision.

  • “We can't just be sitting there waiting on A-Rod. … We gotta move forward.” (06:11)

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2. Steelers Roster Breakdown: O-Line, Receivers, and Defensive Needs

(07:42 – 10:17)

• Joe’s verdict on the offensive line: “They weren't trash. … It's consistency. Another year, rookies that they had … look like they had good spurts and bad spurts.” (07:53-08:35)
• On receivers: Steelers lack a legitimate number one:
  • “I love DK. I wouldn't have signed him back … I need a real live X … go over there, run a slant … you're going to be open.” (09:11)
• Deebo & Joe agree linebacker group needs both physicality and coverage skills:
  • “We need … some people that are gonna come knock some shit backwards.” (09:41)
  • “When you say Harrison, I don't want to hear that … Can you do both?” (09:59)

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3. Coaching, Player Mentality, and Locker Room Culture

(10:27 – 14:19)

• They riff on coaching challenges, lack of a linebackers coach in Pittsburgh, and the demands—both Deebo and Joe ultimately say it’s not just about skill but about mindset and motivation.

• Deebo on coaching at lower pay: “My love for the game … isn't enough. … I can't. … My love for the game or coaching it and being able to deal with … people that aren't going to be the same mindset as me. Dude, that will drive you crazy.” (11:47-13:04)

• The importance of drafting the “right kind of guys” with genuine drive, not just talent.

  • “You need to be able to see that, read that, understand that … the player that I can get to do what I need to have done … Not the player that just got the talent and don't want to do nothing but be like, I'm talented.” (13:25-13:49)

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4. Realities of Being Undrafted vs. High Draft Picks

(17:20 – 21:14)

• Joe and Deebo compare early career experiences:
  • Deebo: “Big difference between what you get as far as attention and what I get as … an undrafted dude … just a roster spot.” (19:28)
  • Joe: “You want to go ask a vet. … Some vets like ‘get outta here’, not trying to help. Or you got a vet that's comfortable … give you some game.” (20:32)

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5. Cleveland Browns’ Turmoil: David Njoku's Exit & Jim Schwartz Resignation

(21:14 – 29:39)

• Njoku announces departure from Browns (“unrestricted free agent”):

  • “It's kind of how the game goes … I think this is more to the city.” – Joe (22:00)
  • “He was like, yo, I ain’t returning.” – Deebo (23:13)

• Jim Schwartz Resigns as Defensive Coordinator:

  • Both hosts blast the move, doubting his head coaching prospects.
    • “That ain't love, bro … [he] said, oh, they ain't giving me the job, … I'm gone.” – Deebo (26:29)
    • “You was a trash head coach.” (27:05)
    • “You ain't gonna never get another ... my ego gonna talk ... you ain’t getting a job in the NFL again.” (28:20-29:04)
  • Discussion on coaching contracts, “trading” coaches, and the implications of resigning while under contract.
    • “Do the coaches get fined?” (30:55)
    • “He resigned … that's like retiring. They can ask for money back.” (31:08-31:11)

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6. Money Talk: The ‘Jock Tax’ Hits Super Bowl Players

(34:12 – 41:16)

• Deebo and Joe decry California’s “jock tax,” which substantially reduces or even eliminates players’ Super Bowl earnings:
  • “NFLPA need to shoot it down. Never play another super bowl in California until you kill this jock tax.” – Deebo (34:42-34:56)
  • “You get taxed on your whole base ... You coming out the gym after that $178,000, you might see 80 of it ... then you gotta pay $250,000 because you went out there to prepare to play in the Super Bowl. That is one of the craziest things I've ever heard.” – Joe (36:53-37:29)
  • “He lost money going out there, bro … even if he won the Super Bowl.” (37:29, Deebo)
  • “That's why it's a jock tax. You play a sport out there, you getting it. … How many percentage of people are professional athletes? They got the money, let's get it.” (39:23-39:42, Deebo)

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7. NFL Draft, Coaching with Coach Prime, and Listener Q&A

(41:16 – End)

• Steelers may have 12 draft picks for next season; both agree: focus on quality over quantity.
  • “A good eight is better than just 12 … let's make it make sense. Let's get the best player. Let's get what we need.” – Joe (43:09-43:41)
• Would Deebo ever coach in college or for Deion (Coach Prime)?
  • “It ain’t who, it’s how much for me. I ain't got that much love for the game, to be honest. … Only way … is if my sons wanted me to coach them.” (43:46-44:55, Deebo)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Rodgers and Rebuilding:
  • “I'm tired of the Steelers just being medium of the pack. … That's as best we gonna get.” (Joe, 03:29)
  • “We can't just be sitting there waiting on A-Rod … Like, that's just still gonna put us in the past.” (Joe, 06:11)
• On Steelers Culture:
  • “I need to have something else that either I don't know what I'm gonna get with, and I'm gonna take a chance.” (Deebo, 06:11)
• On Coaching & Player Mentality:
  • “My love for the game … isn’t enough … I gotta deal with and manage people that aren't going to be the same mindset as me. Dude, that will drive you crazy.” (Deebo, 13:04)
• On Njoku & Cleveland:
  • “He was like, yo, I ain’t returning. Like, your approach, reasoning it out, me sitting back instead of … making like everybody wanna get out of Cleveland. Which … they do.” (Deebo, 23:13)
• On Jim Schwartz:
  • “You was a trash head coach. … One of the worst to ever do it.” (Deebo, 27:05)
  • “That's the craziest move … gotta think about when a player sit out … don't count till you get that year.” (Deebo, 30:44)
• On the Jock Tax:
  • “NFLPA needs to be on the NFL’s neck and let them know we ain’t playing in California … till y’all get rid of that jock tax.” (Deebo, 39:10)
  • “You win the Super Bowl, Sam ... you lost money going out there.” (Joe, 37:29)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:38 – Steelers’ Aaron Rodgers Dilemma & QB Situation
• 07:42 – Steelers’ Offensive Line, Receivers, Defense Needs
• 10:27 – Coaching Culture, Mindset, Roster Building
• 17:20 – Being Undrafted vs. Drafted (Locker Room Experience)
• 21:14 – Cleveland Browns: Njoku’s Exit & Schwartz Resignation
• 34:12 – California “Jock Tax” and Super Bowl Money Losses
• 41:16 – Steelers Draft, Coaching with Deion, Listener Questions

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Final Thoughts

This candid, player-driven conversation gives listeners rare insight into NFL team-building, the pressures and politics behind coaching and roster decisions, and the surprisingly cutthroat world of pro football finances. Deebo and Joe's relaxed chemistry, humor, and willingness to “keep it real” make even technical or business-side topics accessible and engaging for fans missing the episode.

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[Joe]

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[Deebo]

Hey, Joe, man, let's get back over here to Pittsburgh, man. Listen, Rogers, they still waiting on Aaron Rogers. It says.

[Joe]

Oh, Lord.

[Deebo]

What? What? Like 100% we here. We in the off season, you have the opportunity to bring him back or not bring him back. What are you doing? I'm putting you as a GM owner. What are you doing? Head coach. Your head coach. Because that's got. That. That got to be the first person that want him back. He wants to come back. What are you doing?

[Joe]

He. He wants to come back.

[Deebo]

He wants to come back.

[Joe]

If I want to start a new. I mean, I love a rod. I love him to death. I'm ready. Like I said, I'm ready for the ship to sink or swim. We're going to get Will Howard and we're going to see like another court. We got. Bring. Bring another quarterback in. He showed us what he could do last season. I'm not mad at a rod, and that's as far as we going to be able to get. I'm tired of the Steelers just being medium of the pack. That's as best we going to get. We going to get a rod back again, and then we'll lose in the first round and then we'll still be sitting there in the same position. Let's. Let's either lose so we can figure out what we got to do, or I just don't think that we're going to ever really be able to get back to the top until we find a real quarterback and just making. Putting band aids on it and just being like, no, everybody's gonna hold it down for this season and then we got. Nobody's getting any younger. You know what I'm saying? T.J. highsmith. We talking about these dudes. We talking about Jalen being on the team. So is it going to be a complete rebuild or like this? Like. Like last year, I felt like that was a big shot. We're going. We got dk, we got Jalen. We got everybody. We got a rod. Wouldn't try to do all that. And you saw what happened. So now I'm like, what, we gonna just run it back and we're gonna keep riding it, doing it again? No, I'd rather not. I'd rather start somewhere different. I'd rather just try a new start, a new feel of. Start fresh.

[Deebo]

Yeah, I'm I'm with you on that 100. And the big thing that I like about it, if, as I see us going that route, is that we did get Angelico and he was, you know, the passing game offensive coordinator for Minnesota when your boy was there that just won the Super Bowl.

[Joe]

Yeah, Sam.

[Deebo]

And Sam Darnold was there when they made. Like he was done. He couldn't do anything, and he ended up being what we just saw. And he's the person that was there helping to develop him, you know what I'm saying? Giving him the ins outs, all that other stuff. So I. I like it. And I'm. I'm with you. I'm like, yo, let's see what we have with Will Howard and run it from there and pick up whatever it is that we need to pick up to fill out the rest of those two spots or one spot, whatever it is. I just. I don't. I mean, I like who we got. What's his name? Who's the backup right now? Will. No, that was played last year.

[Joe]

Mason.

[Deebo]

Mason Rudolph. Yeah. Like, I'm. I. You know what, you're going to get with him. I don't. I don't like what I'm going to get with him. And if that's the case, if. If Will don't work out, I need to have something else that either. I don't know what I'm gonna get with, and I'm gonna take a chance of seeing what I can.

[Joe]

They gotta be planning. They have to be planning, right? They're saying for somebody else. There has to be somebody. They got to be doing the research, something. They got to know a plan. Because right now, I mean, if Will's not in the locker room, we got Aaron Rodgers, 42, undecided. He's still chilling, trying to figure it out. We can't just be sitting there waiting on a rod. You know, we gotta just. We gotta. We gotta move forward. We. Like, that's just still gonna put us in the past. What are we waiting for? Like, we already got a new coach. We got the new coaching staffs. We got new. The newest here, McCarthy. And then you're bringing it back from 12 years ago, trying to run it back with the old Green Bay. No, I want.

[Deebo]

Good.

[Joe]

I want a new. I like. Let's. Let's get. Let's get some. Let's get some new going, new energy, like all that, like, waiting on this. No, no, no, no. None of it.

[Deebo]

Yeah, I'm. Like I said, I'm with you 100% on that I just don't. Nothing against Aaron or anything like.

[Joe]

Zero against Aaron. Zero.

[Deebo]

We. We. Other. We. We. We gotta ride it out, bro. Like, we either go rise or crash and burn. And, you know, whichever process that is, I'm hoping it's the, you know, it rises and. And. And we're able to, you know, do what's necessary to bring back that seventh Lombardi. But if it crashes and burns, that's. That'll be an opportunity to be able to go get something that, you know, will be able to be a, you know, one of those franchise quarterbacks, so.

[Joe]

For a long time.

[Deebo]

Right, right.

[Joe]

For. For.

[Deebo]

For a long time, dude. Long time. What about. What about the. What about the offensive line, brother?

[Joe]

They show flashes. That's the thing. A lot of the times when we said come out there, establish the run, went on first down, we would win on first down. And unless sometimes we would look and it do. It wouldn't look like we could win on first down. So it's consistency. It's consistency. They would do the right plays. They could show us that they could do it. I'm like, I can't sit out here and be like this. No offensive line was trash. They weren't trash. They weren't trash. They executed better than they did at certain times than others. You know what I'm saying? My thing is just consistency, like you said, too. It's another year rookies that they had in the goddamn Patriots, those dudes look trash. These dudes look like they had good spurts and bad spurts. So, like, if ours. If our team could just.

[Deebo]

Are you telling me that the rookies they had at the Patriots had worse year than the Campbell Dealers?

[Joe]

Yep.

[Deebo]

Did. That's what you're saying?

[Joe]

Yep.

[Deebo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yep. That's what I'm saying.

[Deebo]

Okay.

[Joe]

So I'm Line, line, line, line, line. Because maybe alignment or two, like. But that's not a line. I'm not gonna say alignment. No. No wide receivers.

[Deebo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Straight up. Straight up. Like, if we can't.

[Deebo]

Well, we also got to be able to get the ball to him.

[Joe]

I. I understand. I understand that. But God damn it, if they're nice enough, they're gonna be open. You know what I'm saying? Maybe we'll get some better route trees and stuff coming in there, too. But our receivers are. Weren't good enough to get open on one on one. I love dk. I wouldn't have signed them back. I would have made him void at that 30. And when I got a number one legit that I Think is out there on that island, A real live X like that. Go over there, run a slant on them, you're going to be open. Run a dig on them, you're going to be open. Run a little stutter and go. You're going to be open. Like that's what I. So we need some real go getters at the wide receiver position, I think, and then linebackers, some people that are gonna come knock some shit backwards. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Deebo]

Like, I understand that we got that. We got that in Harrison, but we only got that.

[Joe]

No, but we ain't got no coverage.

[Deebo]

We ain't got no real movement straight downhill.

[Joe]

When you say no, when you say Harrison, I don't want to hear that. You just gonna talk about. You could just run in there and just hit. Can you do both? We need. No, we need. We need to get, get nice. You gotta do both. You just can't be in there. Just run. Yeah, it's a runs game.

[Deebo]

Boom.

[Joe]

Put your head down. I need you to have be aware, be able to know. Don't come down, don't bite the cheese. You need to be able to come down and feel and then don't bite the cheese and intercept the dig. We need like.

[Deebo]

Yeah, but are they being told another being taught that. We've seen, we've seen, we've seen that same thing happening. What I'm telling you every time. Like, maybe they get an opportunity now to actually be like, yo, I damn, this is an epiphany. We supposed to do this. When did that.

[Joe]

When did that happen? That's why I'm telling you too. We're going to be getting a chance to really be on the coaching staff because is it being coached when we keep seeing dudes run down and who's our linebacker coach?

[Deebo]

Do we have one yet?

[Joe]

I don't know.

[Deebo]

I think he might be waiting on me. Mike, give me a call, baby.

[Joe]

I'm telling you. That's what I'm saying. Hey, look, as soon as you be the linebacker coach, I'll be on this joint like this. Debo, your linebackers was taking the cheese.

[Deebo]

Oh, no. It was biting the cheese. Never that.

[Joe]

Never that.

[Deebo]

Oh, man, I don't keep no, I don't keep no rats around like cheese.

[Joe]

Okay? Okay. Okay. You approach them up nice.

[Deebo]

If they go catch us, it's gonna have to be some peanut butter on there or something, you know, we ain't biting the cheese. Ain't biting the cheese. Hell no. We can't do none of that. Man, we can't do none of that.

[Joe]

No, I'm telling you, though, you're gonna have to keep them. Hold them. Look, it's the accountability. The coaching staff is gonna have to keep the.

[Deebo]

We don't have a linebackers coach, do we, bro?

[Joe]

They're. Wait, they. They. All this talking you keep doing, and they. I think they waiting on you.

[Deebo]

No, no, I'm dead, too. I'm dead. See? Who. Damn, who out there? I think about that, bro. I'm not coaching, bro. I can't do it. It won't happen because they don't pay enough, man. They don't pay enough, man. Listen, I'm trying to tell you, man. Listen, that's one of those things where, like, you're, like, the goal of, you know, you. You had a distorted view because you were over here in Cleveland. Okay? I got a distorted view because I actually played the game. I won. I won Super Bowls, and I was paid a certain amount of money to do that, so. And I spent probably the most time in the facility and training and everything than 99 of the people. Now you're telling me that every coach actually does more time than I did? At least the good ones. Yeah. Do 90 of them. Do more. 99. I'm sorry. Do more and spend more time there than I do. And you telling me you want to cut me down to less money? Nah, bro, I can't. I'm sorry. My love for. For. For the game of coaching it and being able to deal with.

[Joe]

So now you need players. So now you need some money.

[Deebo]

What?

[Joe]

Okay, you.

[Deebo]

I gotta deal with and manage people that aren't going to be the same mindset as me. Dude, that will drive you crazy.

[Joe]

So you gotta. That. That's what. That's what coaches do. Look, what. That's when you say great coaching is what you. How you gonna get it out of your players to perform better than.

[Deebo]

I understand that, too, but.

[Joe]

And I think you could do that, Debo.

[Deebo]

No, no, no, no. You got to understand something, too. You got to get players that have that mentality, too. So when you go to drafting and picking up players, you need to be able to see that, read that, understand that, and be like, okay, this is the player that I can get to do what I need to have done because they have the drive and motivation to want to do it. Not the player that just got the talent and don't want to do nothing but be like, I'm talented.

[Joe]

I can't stand. I can't stand that player. I can't stand like that.

[Deebo]

It don't. It don't. Yeah, I can't bro. I could. I couldn't. I couldn't do it. I don't even know how. I don't. Yeah, you gotta have a true love for the game or you know.

[Joe]

I could definitely coach them joints bro. I know you could. I know you could. Because when you get they want to.

[Deebo]

Be if I had the choice of being able to be in Support for.

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[Deebo]

Yo, I want to go through the interview process of doing the interviews for the and get the understanding of that player. I want to talk to that. I want to talk to your family. I want to talk to you mama. I want to talk to your daddy. You got a long term girlfriend, I want to talk to her. You married? I want to talk to your wife. I need to understand the whole character of the person that I'm going to either draft or bring to this organization. I can know that what I see on the field is just, oh, that's great and gravy. But if you behind the scenes is a person that nobody want to deal with, you know best, everything's your way. You can't take no coaching. I was that dude. Dude, I couldn't take no coaching, bro. You couldn't take no take coaching is because I was so insecure to let people know that I didn't know what I was doing. I just used that as my shield of oh, okay, okay. You know, damn. That's what it was, bro. Like, I had to get over that and just be like, you know what? It ain't. It ain't no problem to ask for help.

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[Deebo]

I'm like, you know what? I'm just so you know, I don't want to let them know I don't know what I'm doing. I don't want to. I don't want to look like the person that, you know is asking a bunch of Questions, you know, you.

[Joe]

That's crazy. I would expect. Look. Cause my. I was the opposite, like. And I normally knew the stuff. But when I went to Florida, I never played corner a day in my life. So I got switched and started playing corner my freshman year at Florida. I had no choice but to ask questions. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just wanted to coach. And I had a great db. Coach Vance Bedford. And he taught me. He played the game and he taught me the game, like stance, alignment, assignment, technique and all that stuff. I look like a robot. I'm not gonna lie. The first year I learned the game. Cause I just wanted to be in my spot. I wanted to make sure my job was done exactly right. You told me to jam him inside, coach. I'm gonna jam him both sides. I'm gonna do everything exact. I look robot. Ish. But I was doing exactly what I needed to do. So asking. Being able to understand. Because if you.

[Deebo]

It's a big difference, though.

[Joe]

You.

[Deebo]

You. You came in. You came into the league, Joe. You're a draft. You're a draft.

[Joe]

Yes, I came in high debo.

[Deebo]

I'm still saying it's a big difference between what you get as far as an attention and what I get as far as an undrafted dude that they just like, yo, you a roster spot here just to fill this void until the camp.

[Joe]

Okay, no, I feel you with. No, no on that. On that.

[Deebo]

No brush.

[Joe]

Listen, ask.

[Deebo]

You got the coach just don't even really. My coach. My first coach, dude. That dude run over everything. And I'm like, hey, before I can get a question boy up off the room.

[Joe]

Okay, no, no.

[Deebo]

And I looking at me like, I don't.

[Joe]

I get you on that. I get you on that. That part. That part when you scare your coach like this. What you mean?

[Deebo]

You.

[Joe]

You ain't get it when you like, you're not. You're undrafted, dude. It's a different situation. I completely understand. That's when you want to see. You hopefully then had a cool vet that knew the game and wasn't worried about his job, wasn't worried about getting his plot took in that body. No, man, look, they ain't worried about.

[Deebo]

Getting my spot too.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking.

[Deebo]

Look.

[Joe]

No, no, this is what I'm talking about.

[Deebo]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

I'm talking about you in the league and you a young player that comes in and you don't really know. You want to go ask a vet. That's some vets like this, man. Get out of Here not trying to help or you got a vet that's comfortable in his own skin, knows he's chilling his job. Cool here man. Give you some game. Tell you what's going on. Like, nah, this is how you need to do it on this defense. Boom, boom, boom. So I that's what I would have tried to look at then because I know the young dudes when they come in. Coaches maybe not a quality control guy. A vet, hopefully. That's cool. Those would be the dudes that you could probably ask the questions to because you know, I know exactly what you saying. You looking at the coach like man, if you don't get your dumb out my face, you're just get out my way. They don't. They're not looking to help you. They looking to help the draft picks completely understand.

[Deebo]

Yeah. They look yeah. Don't let me waste my time on you. I and and most of the time they don't vouch for the dude they done picked up anyway. They don't vouch for him. Like yeah, can't come in there, dude. I sat behind the cat for like three years, bro. Because he was like a second round draft choice, brother. Let's go over here to Cleveland though. Your boy say he not returning to the Browns tight end. How you say that name?

[Joe]

David and Joku in Joku.

[Deebo]

David and Joku said he is not returned to the Browns, brother. Which what's going on?

[Joe]

You know why man. You know how it goes, man. It's time. You know my man David.

[Deebo]

Hey, he put out no cryptic statement. That boy said first off his deal.

[Joe]

His deal is up. My brother, he's going to be an unrestricted free agent.

[Deebo]

Said don't call me, don't think I'm coming back.

[Joe]

No, no, he's. No, no. He signed a four year but I, I could tell. I think this is more to the city. He signed a four year $54 million deal and this the season we just played with the last year on it. Harold Fannin Jr. Rookie. He's on a four year, 6.7, 1.6 a year and he just went to the basically went to the Pro Bowl. So I mean it's nine years. I know Joku Baller been great for the Browns and great for the city, but it's kind of how the game goes, you know what I'm saying? Like times they, they're not going to resign. I I mean it seems like he doesn't want to come back for maybe maybe they talked to see what he got some feelers out like, hey, man, I thought about bringing me back. This looks like they already had the conversations. They look like they didn't want to deal. So he knows he's gonna be unrestricted free agent. It's just a buy to the city. You know, he's still playing. He got. He got plenty options of places to go. But with. With Cleveland right now, you know how that gets when it gets to the later end of your career. You just finished closed it out. You trying to figure out what's going on. That looks like, to me, they talked to him and his aid. The agent reached out to them. They reached back.

[Deebo]

It's like this.

[Joe]

It don't look like too much gonna be going down in Cleveland. So he like, all right, I'm gonna go ahead and say my. Say my goodbyes.

[Deebo]

Okay. It makes sense. That makes sense because they. They got it. Like, he was like, yo, I ain't returning, like, your approach, reasoning it out, me sitting back instead of, you know, just making like, everybody want to get out of Cleveland. Which they. Which they do. Which they do.

[Joe]

No. Which they don't. No, not. They don't.

[Deebo]

They don't. Unless they get the bag, Miles. Ah, man, look, everybody want to get out of Cleveland, but we had somebody that wanted to stay. Man, you do. Wanted to stay. Yay. Wanted to stay bad. And he had to go ahead and he had to go ahead and give a. Giving his. What was his resignation? What was. A couple days ago, Jim Schwartz said, you know what, man?

[Joe]

That man.

[Deebo]

Brown still ain't got a dc. What y' all gonna do, Joe?

[Joe]

We gonna get a dc. That's. We're. We gonna get a dc, but the gym.

[Deebo]

Who you gonna get to come to Cleveland?

[Joe]

I don't know. Depot? I don't know.

[Deebo]

Who would you like to come to Cleveland, Joe? You want to go be D coordinator? Nah.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Deebo]

You don't want to help your team.

[Joe]

I do want to help my team.

[Deebo]

So much that you was running your mouth to me with. When y' all actually had a. Y' all beat us, it was. What, you don't want to go. I love my Browns.

[Joe]

I do. I do. I do. I don't want to just. Look, I need to get my. I need. I want to. I, I. I'm not.

[Deebo]

You're doing a lot of stuttering, Joe, when you.

[Joe]

I'm not ready yet. I'm not ready yet.

[Deebo]

I'm not ready yet.

[Joe]

I want to be the deep.

[Deebo]

You do a lot of that.

[Joe]

I'm not ready yet. We need to get a. We need to get a solid db. We need to get a solid defensive coordinator. I'm just. Look, we're talking.

[Deebo]

Oh, you said you ain't ready, so you. You.

[Joe]

I'm not ready.

[Deebo]

I'm not.

[Joe]

I'm not going to come in there after Jim Schwartz and come down there and just like, I don't got my scheme all set up yet. I got it.

[Deebo]

I.

[Joe]

No, I'm not ready.

[Deebo]

I'mma use his. I'mma use his.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's a.

[Deebo]

Stay there, stick with what works. Why am I gonna come in there and try and change the recipe? Everybody want to put their own twist on and happens. That's why I need to change something that has a platinum. That like, it's platinum. This is how it works, dude. It's, it's, it's, it's. It's ruled out in every offense. Defense, no matter how it's ruled out, has a weakness. And if they blitz too many, the quarterback got to know the hot and get it out. And if they hit a spot, you got to know that, hey, they go get 10, 12, tackle the catch, go in there, take his defense and make it. Yo, defense. Joe, listen, listen. Also, man, I don't know, man.

[Joe]

Where was.

[Deebo]

Where was Schwartz head coach at? Where's the head coach at? Wasn't it. Wasn't it the Detroit line?

[Joe]

Yeah, it was Detroit.

[Deebo]

Hey, hey, I'm hearing the man got a little ego, too. I'm hearing man got a little ego. I mean, by little, I say little Eagle. And like this right here, man just took off on him.

[Joe]

I can't. I can't believe that he took off on us. I mean, I can't believe it. Because he wanted the head coaching job. He wanted it bad. But I would have hoped that the owners talk.

[Deebo]

All these players talking about Jim this, Jim that, loves Jim that. He said, oh, they ain't giving me the job, you guys, I'm gone. That ain't love, bro.

[Joe]

He felt, but he felt like he deserved better. I feel like he should have.

[Deebo]

I understand. He deserved better. He only had one year left, man. Go on ahead. Give your boys. Give your boys that last year.

[Joe]

Get that, boy. That last year, man, the Browns Miles misses.

[Deebo]

You ain't about. You ain't about to get a job nowhere else anyway. You just resigned. That's the death penalty for a coach. Just leave up out of there. And you wasn't even a good head coach. You was trash.

[Joe]

And you still under contract.

[Deebo]

Yes. And you was a trash head coach.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's not a good look, one.

[Deebo]

Of the worst to ever do it thing. I'm just saying.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Deebo]

30Th worst 300 and something worse ever and something like. Come on. Yeah, I mean, I understand, but I also understand that. Prime example, like, if you really cared about these dudes, like, yo, let's go. I'm under contract anyway.

[Joe]

I got one more year.

[Deebo]

I'm going to swallow this. Let's run it back.

[Joe]

We do one more year, and then.

[Deebo]

Because.

[Joe]

Yes. And then he go, go get another.

[Deebo]

And how does it work if you just resign and you're under contract? Like, do he got to pay that back? How does that work? What's the. I don't even know how.

[Joe]

I don't know. Is that like, he. He just. He just for.

[Deebo]

He, like, can you ever go anywhere else? Because I own you.

[Joe]

I got you. I got your rights. Is that like a player trying to retire to get out of a deal and then just come back?

[Deebo]

Like Gronk, when he retired, he retired and he came back and they had to give. They had to give some. Something to New England to get him in Tampa.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Deebo]

Like, do you think that they are going to allow you to come back and coach anywhere after you just did this? I'm going to tell them, hey, listen, what you want to do to keep or get this man? And then they go say, well, we're willing to do this. And I'm going to say, give me 150 million and I'll let him coach for you. You just went and screwed us over like this. You ain't gonna never get another ego. My ego go talk. As the owner. My ego go talk.

[Joe]

Bro, you ain't letting him go for nothing.

[Deebo]

No, you ain't. I ain't letting him go for nothing. You. You. You think you left because you. You got the. Oh, they gonna miss me. No, you go miss never getting a job in the NFL again. That's ego talking.

[Joe]

Yeah, he gotta. He gotta play that deal out, brother. You got one more year left and they ballin'. I know you and your feelings you wanted, but come on, you. Everybody don't get what we want. Everybody doesn't get what we want.

[Deebo]

Like, it ain't nobody that thought, oh, we don't give him the head job, he just go, leave, resign, leave the contract. Now you have nowhere you can go without the Cleveland Browns that has them saying, hey, we'll allow this if you get. I'm going to make the price so high that nobody will touch you.

[Joe]

Yeah, you on the shelf.

[Deebo]

You are on the shelf. I Don't even. He can't go pro. He can maybe go back to college. Maybe. I don't even know.

[Joe]

I don't know. We gotta look and see what his contract say. He got to look at the little fine print in that joint like you got.

[Deebo]

Yeah, we gotta check into that.

[Joe]

They might gotta trade him. They could see. They could. They. Yeah, he could be traded.

[Deebo]

Right, but trading for what? What are you. I'm a trading.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Deebo]

Who.

[Joe]

Hey, who's with it, right? What you're gonna get for him, Right?

[Deebo]

Would you go give me the trading to you? I'm gonna make the price so high, bro. Like, I'm going like you were acting out as a driven. Whatever you want to call it. I'm going to act ego driven because I now have control of if you ever get a job in the NFL again. That's the craziest move I ever. Yeah, you gotta think about when a player sit out. Sit out. You just sitting out. You can sit out as long as you want to. It don't count till you get that year.

[Joe]

You said a player could sit out, bro, you got.

[Deebo]

You. You could. You can sit out. They still own you for the next year. Cause you ain't. You ain't play under that year.

[Joe]

But don't you get. And aren't you getting fined if you don't show up?

[Deebo]

Yeah, I don't know. Coaches. Do the coaches get fined?

[Joe]

No, no, he resigned, though. But that's like he. That. That's like. You can't get fined except if you like a player can. The player. The player is resigning, like the same thing as retiring.

[Deebo]

It's retiring. They can ask for money back.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Deebo]

Depending on how it is or where it is or who you are.

[Joe]

Well, I be down.

[Deebo]

Like, that's. That's why. That's why, like. Yeah, give me that. Give me that money back, bro. Y', all, y', all, y' all gotta. Y' all gotta get that on up over here, baby.

[Joe]

You put. You left. Cause you mad.

[Deebo]

Hey, listen, they could do that. And you know what?

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[Deebo]

That ain't enough. That ain't enough.

[Joe]

I need more.

[Deebo]

I need more more money. Speaking of money, man oh man said that Sam Darnold lost money playing in the super bowl because of California taxes, bro.

[Joe]

That is. I. When I first read it, I didn't understand what y'.

[Deebo]

All. I totally understand it once I went through it, bro.

[Joe]

I didn't. Until I started reading it, and then I said, oh, this doesn't make any sense.

[Deebo]

0.

[Joe]

0.

[Deebo]

NFLPA. I'm with him. NFLPA need to shoot it down. Never play another super bowl in the state of California again until it is. NFLPA needs to go to the net. We're not playing in California Super Bowls until you kill this jock tax. That's crazy. I gotta pay you a whole percentage of my salary and then just the. The week I played there the whole year.

[Joe]

Let me start this. We want to start this off by saying. I want to start this off by saying, people, please understand this. I understand when you, like, don't. Don't talk about if you're making money. The hell with all that. I'm just trying to break this down to you, and it makes zero sense.

[Deebo]

Made me come outside myself.

[Joe]

When you. In your salary, though, Debo, in your salary, you know, during the playoffs, you're not getting paid your salary.

[Deebo]

No. Right.

[Joe]

Like this playoff football dude.

[Deebo]

It don't even matter for him being played, okay? The whole year, Joe.

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[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. Each team makes a hundred. How could you get. You make a hundred. So Each team made $178,000, right?

[Deebo]

Each player.

[Joe]

Each player makes $178,000 for the Super Bowl.

[Deebo]

The ones that lost, they lost more money.

[Joe]

The ones that lost. Oh, my.

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[Joe]

So they probably get. Well, they probably get, what, 100?

[Deebo]

Maybe it don't matter.

[Joe]

It don't even say.

[Deebo]

It doesn't feel taxing. Their whole base.

[Joe]

Their whole base, okay?

[Deebo]

You're getting half the pay for the. For the loss. So they. They got 178. What's the name? Probably got like 70 something.

[Joe]

70 something.

[Deebo]

So they're getting hit even harder.

[Joe]

They're hitting you seven for duty. They call it duty. Days of them staying out there for seven days. They're getting hit each day that they're out in Los Angeles.

[Deebo]

On your whole.

[Joe]

On your whole check.

[Deebo]

Patrick Mahomes. If he was 50, you hitting him on 50. And he only met. If he. If he won, he only made 178. Huh?

[Joe]

All I know is on the whole 50, the cra.

[Deebo]

The.

[Joe]

The thing that doesn't make sense to me, though, Debo, is if you want to live out there.

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[Joe]

This is what I'm saying. How can it go over what you made there. You going to play at Super Bowl. Super bowl is $178,000 you made in the game, right? You leave with a bill of $250,000 and you getting taxed on your check already. So you coming out the gym after that 178,000, he might see 80 of it, 85,000. And then he's going to have to pay 250 because you went out there to prepare to play in the Super Bowl. That is one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

[Deebo]

Like he lost money going out there, bro.

[Joe]

If he had to take the like.

[Deebo]

Even he won the super bowl and.

[Joe]

Lost money if he had to go play. And he got a check for $178,000 to play in the super bowl and they took the whole check. That's still crazy. But you take the whole check and then tell a man he got to write you a check for $71,000 out of his pocket when he just came out here and played in the game and you already took the 178 and now you're going to just be like, no, you got to write another check, foolio. Because you out here practicing.

[Deebo]

Hold up, hold up. Look at this though. Look at this though. Think about how much money it brings the state of California when everybody is flooding there and now we brought the super bowl here. Hundreds of millions of dollars and putting more money out the boys pocket.

[Joe]

You talk about everybody's money. They taking money at the MVP pocket to come out there and play. How that's crazy, bruh.

[Deebo]

Bruh. I knew it was a reason I. I wouldn't go. Well, I just, I wasn't gonna move anyway. I like, I like the changes of weather. It make you appreciate a. A 40 degree day, you know. So. Oh, Joe, Joe.

[Joe]

All live NFLPA.

[Deebo]

Who is the NFLPA? Current executive director. Whatever you doing. And like I said, he will only be there for so long. I'm still waiting on them to get me the information. That's what I need to do to run for the NFLP executive. But I ain't. I ain't got. I ain't heard none. None hide no hair yet from it was go notify. It ain't notified nobody. But anyway, like I said, NFL PA needs to be on the NFL's neck and let them know we ain't playing in the state of California to y' all get rid of that jock tax.

[Joe]

That's crazy. That's almost like though Debo wouldn't. It couldn't like in the Pro bowl, if we went to Hawaii, Louisiana.

[Deebo]

It's in LA next year.

[Joe]

La?

[Deebo]

Yes.

[Joe]

Were they gonna. Are they gonna. Are they gonna drop.

[Deebo]

Yes.

[Joe]

For being out there for the week.

[Deebo]

You play in the Pro bowl and this. You getting job. If you any. It's. That's why it's a jock tax. You play a sport out there, you getting it. You getting it. And then they say, oh, it don't matter. Don't nobody care. Yeah, don't nobody care. Because how many percentage of people are professional athletes? They got the money. Let's get it.

[Joe]

Let's hit.

[Deebo]

Is that.

[Joe]

That's crazy. You win the Super Bowl, Sam. And the mvp.

[Deebo]

Hey, they need a. They need a. They need a tech tax. They got enough tech out there. They can get a lot of money from that.

[Joe]

Oh, my goodness, Deebo, that's crazy work. I couldn't believe it. I didn't think. I didn't. I thought that he got taxed ridiculous amount of money off of his, like 178.

[Deebo]

No, bro, I couldn't believe. They said his whole salary.

[Joe]

What are you telling me? This man had to write a check for a quarter m. Huh? Why they out there stealing, dude?

[Deebo]

They, they, they, they, they. They raping. I was out here raping them, boy. You know, 34, I was. I was. I was murdered. I' ma kill him. The boys couldn't touch me.

[Joe]

Ain't never got no red shirt, bruh.

[Deebo]

Ain't that red shirt me?

[Joe]

Red shirt me, huh? Cause I only got a red shirt on because it's camp day.

[Deebo]

You know what I'm saying, bruh? Yeah, they. They gotta. They gotta fix that. That's all. All. All on the NFL, PA Leadership and making sure they're doing what is best for the players. The players. And not what is best for the league. You know what? That's when they started making it to where? Like, you know how you gotta file taxes in every state you play in? Yes, I used to be. The NFL have to do that. The teams, they switched that on over.

[Joe]

To us, to the players. That makes you have to do it.

[Deebo]

Oh, yeah, buddy.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Deebo]

Oh, yeah, buddy. No question. Joe. Joe. Hey, we got super chats. We got D. What we got right here. We got Michaela Randall, 8, 8, 4 3, donated $10. Keep it real, Debo. Will you still learn D line defense and start coaching? Which. What's. What's D line defense? What's that?

[Joe]

Will you. Will you still learn D line defense and start coaching?

[Deebo]

Hey, Joe, I don't know. I Don't know what they said. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe]

So no, Joe, is me being out in Baltimore. Do you think it's wrong for me to be a Steelers fan? 43 is the reason I'm a fan. 43 over 28.

[Deebo]

Wow.

[Joe]

I mean, look, to each its own. I ain't gonna lie. I'm from Maryland. They keep wanting me to be a Washington D.C. it was a Redskins fan back in the day. My grandpa was a big Redskins fan. But be a fan of who you like. If you like Troy. Troy, one of the best safeties to ever do it. So if that's who you. And that's why you started rocking with a team, rock with your team. Don't let nobody tell you who can be your favorite team because it's your favorite team.

[Deebo]

I got you. Listen, this has got to be somebody young because my sons be writing like that and I'll be like, yo, what are you saying, bro? Appreciate you.

[Joe]

Appreciate you.

[Deebo]

No question. Oh, it came back again with another one. Oh, they say we got 12 draft picks.

[Joe]

Yeah, we got.

[Deebo]

We got 12.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying, Debo.

[Deebo]

Hey, we got. We got 12 for real, dude. We're gonna have to dive into that and check that out for sure.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. Line though. Receivers, linebackers, fire. And if it's 12, it don't gotta always be 12. We can make it 12. Sounds good, but a good, a good, a good eight is better than just 12. If we could trade to get two of those to get a. To get a good one or some. Somebody that we really like a better pick. Yes. Don't just be getting just people to have people. If we see that, we can make eight of those picks, be really, really good. Don't just get 12 guys. Don't just get 12 guys. Let's figure it out. Let's make it work. Let's make it make sense. Let's get the best player. Let's get what we need.

[Deebo]

Dude, we're going to get 12 of what we need and what's the best. But if we got 12, that is for sure. That is definitely. We go check that out. And if we got. We will definitely be talking about that, huh? Coming up on the next one. But I got another one right here from Foxy Mama. 4, 3, 2, 1. Donated $5. Said, would you go coach with Coach Prime? Would you go. Yeah, would I go coach with Coach Prime? I'm not. We just talked about this. I know I can't get enough money in college. I just, you know, it ain't, it ain't about who I'm coaching for. It's about how much I'm coaching for. It ain't who, it's how much for me. I, I ain't, I ain't got that much love for the game, to be honest. But it's one way that that could happen. Only way that could ever happen is if my sons wanted me to coach them. That's the only way that could happen. And it was, it was allowed to happen because my sons have wanted me to coach them. It just has not been allowed to happen, that's all.

[Joe]

It ain't allowed yet.

[Deebo]

Yeah. It's just not. It's just not allowed to happen, you know?

[Joe]

Okay.

[Deebo]

That's okay. But if my sons wanted me to, 100%, they would have me in. That's no question, Joseph. We don't, we don't win a little over. We got some sad news to get to the people, though.

[Joe]

Yeah, man.

[Deebo]

We will not be here on Friday.

[Joe]

Dang.

[Deebo]

Yes.

[Joe]

Hello. Hello. A little.

[Deebo]

I got, I got, I got, I got some things that I need to do and I will be unavailable at our normal time of 11. So we will see you guys next week on Monday. We will have plenty to talk about, especially if we got 12 draft picks. We're going to have a whole bunch to talk about on Monday. So we hope you guys have a beautiful, beautiful week. Weekend. We will be back here on Monday. Joe.

[Joe]

Yo, I'm gonna let y' all know y' all have a pleasant Valentine's Day. Have a blessed weekend, be safe. And we will be back here on Monday.

[Deebo]

What's Valentine's Day, bro?

[Joe]

Valentine's Day, man. If they got. I think it's a Friday.

[Deebo]

Friday. Yep. That shoulders. That shoulders for me. Hey, and we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of D Boy and Joe, please make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your podcast. We'll be back here on Monday morning and we out.

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