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James Harrison
bro. The deep tackle, Brian Murphy. He was walking around with the Lombardi at his wedding, bro. Look at this, look at this. He letting the note.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, you on the right.
James Harrison
This body on?
Joe Hayden
Yeah, that man got that man walking through full blown trophy. Will, did you ever take the Lombardi somewhere?
James Harrison
Crazy, bruh. Stop playing with me. You know good and well they ain't let that trophy go nowhere, okay? The best I got was I was rolling with it in the parade. I had it in the parade and I was, you know, I was doing all that right there. You know what? Now that I think about it, I didn't ask him if I could take it anywhere. You know what? I'm gonna have to go down there. I'm gonna go down there to tomorrow, today and ask him if I could take it somewhere with me, so.
Joe Hayden
Because it's only one real one.
James Harrison
And then did you ever take yours with you anywhere, Joe?
Joe Hayden
Debo, can you hear me?
James Harrison
Joe? Is your mic, I think your mic off? Why you hear me?
Joe Hayden
You just blatantly just be trying to. It's not, you know, I don't got no body. You know, I don't got no party. Oh, and my question. Let me ask you this, though. So you got the two bodies back there. So you tell them those is just. Those are. They just. They make the replica body. Okay.
James Harrison
Okay.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, that's just something he's made, you
James Harrison
know what I'm saying?
Joe Hayden
Because they know what it. They know what it is for real. But that's just, you know, okay, yeah, I go.
James Harrison
I'm gonna go down there, see, talk to. Talk to Art and Dan.
Joe Hayden
You trying to go get the one out the case at the. At the facility.
James Harrison
If I can go ahead and talk. Art, Dan, Omar, those the real ones
Joe Hayden
that's at the practice facility.
James Harrison
Okay, Those in the cases over there, that's the real ones, bro. Where you. Where else you think they gonna be? They ain't about to let.
Joe Hayden
I was saying if he put him like if, If I own the team. But that's what my. That's what my team practices that's the whole thing. Yeah, I might leave them there. I might replicate that. I might have them at the crib. I ain't gonna lie.
James Harrison
Listen, the ones in the stadium, them replicas, the real ones sitting at the facility, south side.
Joe Hayden
That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking.
James Harrison
Okay, hey, that. Behind guard, locked gates, all that, you run up in there if you want
Joe Hayden
to, you get popped for them. Okay, okay.
James Harrison
So all you people, that's thinking. When y' all see that in the. In the thing, that's the real.
Joe Hayden
The real ones is at the facility.
James Harrison
And y'.
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James Harrison
Y' all go. Go and plot and plan and parachute in there and do all that. Nope. You're wasting. Wasting your time. Wasting your time.
Joe Hayden
They know. Be careful.
James Harrison
You was wasting your time.
Joe Hayden
Got to be careful.
James Harrison
Yo, former offensive lineman Elijah Wilkinson, he had a little tweet. He got in a conversation with a guy, man. Dude told him, he said, thank God you're gone. And he replied back to him, good luck with the clown show over there. Yeah, man.
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James Harrison
You ever had. You ever reply to people, bro?
Joe Hayden
Oh, not. Not. Not. Not anymore.
James Harrison
You used to. Oh, they got a little bit.
Joe Hayden
And then, like, I did for a second, I did.
James Harrison
You know, you can't win.
Joe Hayden
That's what I'm telling you. And they will piss me off, because then that's when I had to just realize, like, they're just messing with me. Like, I would go smack at somebody. They'd be like, oh, my God. He responded. And I was like this.
James Harrison
I'm really.
Joe Hayden
You really had me. That's all they looking for is this. You really had me hot. And then they was like, oh, my God. He really responded. And when they did that one to me, I said, oh, no. Y' all reeled me in and had me really over here thinking about you. And now you was really just pump faking me just to be like, oh, my God. You really said something like, what's up, Joe? I'm like this. No, man, forget you.
James Harrison
I can't stand you. But here's the crazy thing, though, Joe. He didn't say nothing to the dude. He banged on the. On the organization. He left. Yeah, that's like. You just banged on them. They ain't even had nothing to do with it. Like, so that must be really high.
Joe Hayden
That's really how we feel, bro. He said, thank God you gone. Good luck with that clown show over there, Savage.
James Harrison
Like, that's. I am not responding to nobody. I ain't gonna lie. It used to be times where I would want to respond, but I. I ain't responding to nobody. Yeah, like, I tell you what, I did respond when I went to. When I went to New England. Oh, they was going crazy. Crazy. Ruthlessly reckless in my dms, bro. Because I went to New York. Okay, okay, okay, bruh. I'm talking racial slurring me up and down. All this other stuff. Suck this and that. You're. You're man. And I. You know what I did? I took one dude's tweet that said something, and I found it wasn't a tweet. It's a DM from Instagram. And I made sure his page was real. I took his page, and I posted it. Boom. That boy had to delete everything I said. I hope your friends know that you be saying this word.
Joe Hayden
Got him, got him,
James Harrison
got him.
Joe Hayden
That's.
James Harrison
I don't understand that when you do that. Oh, he deleted this whole page. Yeah.
Joe Hayden
You want everything.
James Harrison
Everything.
Joe Hayden
You want some attention? I give it to you.
James Harrison
Listen, man, Travis Hn, he want to tell y' all how to pronounce his name. Listen to this, brother.
Travis Hn
So it. Growing up Travis Hn. So it'd be like a C, H, a, N, E. And that's how you always said Travis Hn. When I went to college, I kept telling my. Telling them my name, like, every day. Every day, every day. And like, after, like, four weeks, they just couldn't get it. So I'm like, man, it's etn. Like, how you see it is how you say it. So. And that's how that became. And it kind of took off because it was easy for the pronouncers to say it. I didn't have to just tell them. I didn't have to correct them every day to say my name. And just when I kind of just started learning more about my last name and how it came about and things like that, it just kind of stuck and made sense. But I'm very much open to being Travis A. Chan again, just being myself. I don't have the correct people here on how to say my name each and every day, and I kind of love that, and that's just. Get back to me.
James Harrison
Yeah, listen, pronounce the man's name right, because I heard you say something about, it's Hn. It's Hn. Joe. Listen, I'm gonna tell you right now, the name pronounced. It ain't even the name pronounced. It's calling me another name. Yeah. So when I was young, my dad. I don't Know why it bothered me so much? He would let people, like, I would hear him call him Jim, you know, and he'd answer to it. And I have no clue why that upset me so much. Dude.
Joe Hayden
Was it a nickname or nothing?
James Harrison
No, dude. So they would take James and shorten it to Jim, okay? So anytime somebody called me Jim, I'm not answering. Dude, I wouldn't even turn. Dude, I would. They trying to, like. Like, like be familiar with you, but they don't even know, like, dude, I don't like Jim. I'm not letting you call me Jim.
Joe Hayden
That is not Jim.
James Harrison
That. My name is James. My mama named me. You won't call me James. That's it. All right? I allowed. I take it back. I allowed one person. I allow one person to call me Jimmy, okay? You know what I'm talking about, too. And it was. It was. It was Dan Rooney, the former ambassador to iron, okay? And it wasn't like he came in one day and he was like, you know, Jimmy or whatever. It just kind of like. It kind of built over time, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was James at first, but as we, you know, started like. Like, building a relationship, like a personal relationship, you know what I'm saying? And it was just like, one day, and he was like, hey, Jimmy, you know, I know the voice. So I hear it, and I turn and I look and I'm like, hey, Mr. Rose. You know what I'm saying, bro?
Joe Hayden
My question was, did you never give him the initial? Did you didn't tell him that your nickname, that you didn't.
James Harrison (continued)
That.
Joe Hayden
That people call you Jim?
James Harrison
He never called me Jimmy. When he first called me Jimmy, it was like, boom. So here's what it came down to for me. He got a son named Jimmy. So I'm like, we building this relationship. We got a personal relationship now. This was over years. No, for sure. And then he was like, jim, I'm like, I'm in, like, swimwear. You know what I'm saying? We doing this. You know what I'm saying? Like, this. This my guy. I'm like family, just right this, pops. What you talking about, bro? Hold up. Let me tell you something, bro. Listen. So Mr. Rooney liked to fly, bro. He liked to fly his plane, right? So as. Like I said, as I got to know him, you know, we're doing whatever. So I'm like, yo, I want to go flying, right?
Joe Hayden
So this is your part, every bruh.
James Harrison
So everybody is telling me, like, yo, don't go out to fly today. It's windy. Don't go out to fly. I'm like, yo, I don't care what y' all saying, you know, I, I'm going. Ms. Rooney said we're going to fly. We're going to fly, bruh. What I didn't know is that Mr. Rooney, he was about that life. He was gonna fly. I'm. Bro, bro, listen, he had, what's her. I can't think of her name right now. He had a co pilot that would fly with him, you know, later on as he, he started getting, getting older. So she's like. And she tells me, she's like, james, you don't want to go flying right now. Like, it's real windy, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was a few other people in there that were like, james, I'm trying to tell you, you don't want to go flying right now. Mr. Rooney, he flies anything. He likes to fly. Like, it's going. I'm like, I ain't hearing.
Joe Hayden
Mr. Rooney told me we flying.
James Harrison
We flying. Mr. Rooney. Listen, Joe, Mr. Rooney say we going flying. We going flying. I've been messing with this. I mean, I mean, hey, we going flying. We going flying. Now, Joe, this was the first and the last time I ever flew. Because, bruh, when I found out that he was about that life, life, like I'm about that life. Like in the workout, like, I'm gonna get up at 2 o' clock in the morning because I gotta do all this other stuff and then I gotta make my workout and do this. He was about flying, like, anytime, Joe. So we go and we get in the car. As we get in the car, we're going there and we go in the plane. Now listen, this is small plane, Joe. I'm in the back, so it was a two sides. So the front of the plane facing this way. So them two are sitting here, but I'm sitting in the back here. And you got headphones on so you can talk, right?
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James Harrison
I'm taking up the whole back seat while they're up there, right? That's it. This is it. That's it, Right? It. Single. Single. Single engine, bro. So we go, we take off, right? So we take off. Everything's good. But it's bumpy, bro. It's bumpy. So we go and we fly around, like, downtown. He's like, all right, we're going to fly through downtown and we're going to go. He said, we're going to go to Latrobe. We'll land there, and then we'll. We'll come back around. So, all right, so we start going through downtown, bro. It's so bumpy, bro. It's. I mean, the plane is going, oh,
Joe Hayden
no, no, no, no, no.
James Harrison
It's hitting horrors too, right, bro? And bro. And I'm looking, bro. And I'm looking out. Like I said, I'm facing backwards and I'm looking out. And he's like, okay. You know, he's pointing out the buildings, you know, downtown and all that, bruh. I could see the people in the windows, bro, in the plane. Just. So we circle off from there, and we start heading to Latrobe. It's an hour drive to the Troll Right, Joe? The headwind was so strong, it took
Joe Hayden
us 45 to fly to Latrobe, five to Latrobe.
James Harrison
The whole time it was doing, y'
Joe Hayden
all was on the cc. That's what I'm saying.
James Harrison
So listen, before we leave, though, before we leave, Joe, he's like, we go. Go fly over the facility because we're heading that way. I'm like, cool. Now I done started praying. I been praying, Joe, listen, so I'm scared. There's a hook in church now, right? So as we're flying over facility, he's like, hey, Jimmy, you see. You see the fields down there? I'm like, I'm looking like them. Like, yeah, Mr. Rooney, I see it. He said, can you see it? He turned that sideways, bruh.
James Harrison (continued)
Bruh.
James Harrison
Oh, my God. I'm taking everything not to scream, right, bruh? So I'm going. We going. We start. We start heading out, right? We. Becca. That was her name. We hit a bump so hard, Becca said, woo. I said, oh, shit, we out of this now.
Joe Hayden
She spooked. Now she got it. The copilot spooked.
James Harrison
Now I can officially be spooked, Joe. So as we. We're still going, right? And she's like, it's a, you know, it's a headwind that it does go. Take us a while, whatever. So I done came up with a plan. When we land, I'm not getting back on this plane. I don't swear. I'm praying so hard. I don't swear to God.
Joe Hayden
I said, God touched the earth if
James Harrison
you let me live. I said, if you let me live long enough to land in the trouble. I said, I swear, I swear, I swear I won't get back on this plane. I said, just let me live long enough, Joe. I never prayed so hard in my life, Joe.
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James Harrison
It was so windy, bro. So what I don't know in here is I'm hearing them talking about something and then they say, all right, we're, you know, whatever, whatever. We're going to do a flyover. I said, Mr. Rooney, what's that? What's the flyover? He said, oh, we're just going to fly over the airport. We ain't gonna land. It's too windy. Oh, no. I said, lord, you go take me out. I said, everything I did is coming back to me right now. I said, oh, Lord, I can't even get off the. I had already swore to God. I said, listen, man, if you let me get on that ground. I already told him, I already already had my plan we was gonna land, and I was gonna be like, Mr. Rooney, I'm airsick, man. I don't feel too good. I'm gonna have somebody come get me. You go ahead and take off. But I didn't get to land on the ground, dude. We got back there fast, right? So the whole time as we're going back, bro, I am praying. I am praying so hard, man. I ain't never. I ain't never prayed this hard in my life. Joe. And the plane, like, so now we're going faster, though, because we got the tailwind now. Yes. And this faster. Now, it ain't the real hard bops. It's hard bops, but they fast hard bops, right? So we get back, and the whole time I was talking about, yo, I want to go up, you know, move the plane around, fly a little bit, right? So as we go to land, he's like, hey, hey, Jimmy, you know, you can go up Rebecca and you know, she'll. She'll take you around. You can, you know, fly the plan a little bit. And, Joe, in my head, it said, God. What did you tell God? I said, I swore to God that I was never getting back on the plane again. Getting on this plane. I said. I said, okay. I said, okay, yeah, let's go ahead. Let's land. You know, get down on the ground, bruh. We got down on the ground, and I saw a black cow that was so far off, it didn't matter. I said, becca, is that. Does that look like a rain cloud or.
Joe Hayden
She's like, yeah, it could be, but we could.
James Harrison
I said, no, I don't want to take no chances, because in my. I already swore to God I'm not
Joe Hayden
getting back on the plane.
James Harrison
Joe. I ain't never prayed so hard in my life, bro.
Joe Hayden
Bro, this et. Mr. Rooney had you up there in the propeller plane. Just that with Dorn. See, I'm not getting up in that propeller plane, Debo. Before takeoff. Now. Now. But. But now that's a good thing. You. You learn. You learn. You learn. Yeah, you learn.
James Harrison
I swore. I swore to God in heaven. I said, lord, if you just let me touch the ground, I promise you I ain't getting back on this plane. My heart couldn't. I ain't. I ain't lost so much.
Joe Hayden
When you said. When you said y' all went down and didn't land and then got back up, I thought that was just like a first loop. And then you was going to turn back around and then come down the land. You said y' all went all the way. Head all the way back.
James Harrison
He said, fly over. We do out of faint.
Joe Hayden
Out of fainted on site.
James Harrison
I said, what's the flyover, Mr. Rooney? He said, we're just going to fly over the airport and we're going to head on back.
Joe Hayden
I'm weak. I would have. I would have. I would have just. Really.
James Harrison
Lord Jesus, when all that happens. Oh, my goodness.
Joe Hayden
Please, I'm going to faint.
James Harrison
Listen, I said. I know. I said, just let me make it to the troll, but please let me make it.
Joe Hayden
Please let me make it home. Let me make it home.
James Harrison
Yeah, man. Listen, bro, it took everything I had not to cut him off when he was like, hey, Jimmy, you want to go up and fly? You know, fly, you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, let's land, you know, looking, man. I'm like, I'm gonna. Swore to God, I said, but I can't. I can't back out. I said, no. I said, it's a black cloud over there. What is that? Becca? What? Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, miss, when we ain't gonna. We ain't gonna. Chance.
Joe Hayden
Come on, man.
James Harrison
Yep.
Joe Hayden
Becca up there screaming.
James Harrison
Listen, she's.
Joe Hayden
She's happy. She don't want to get up.
James Harrison
I was still gas. Like, I wanted to go flying with him. So I would go and I'd be in the facility, you know, all season, whatever. And I said, hey, Mr. Rooney, what you doing, man? When you again? I want to go flying with you. Oh, I'm about to go ahead and go flying here probably in a D. And I'll be like, oh, man, what about six or seven? I ain't done my. My time clock go all the way to dark.
Joe Hayden
Because I know what I'm telling you.
James Harrison
Anything, people, I'll be like, man, about six.
James Harrison (continued)
Maybe next.
James Harrison
Maybe next four. Give him that. Man, I was scared to death, man. Man, when. Listen, he. He. Listen, he was about. He was about that life, man. He was about that flying like. Like I'm about that gym. He was about. He was gonna fly if they were gonna let him fly.
Joe Hayden
That's crazy. I'm glad you made it safely because, you know, them planes, that turbulence. Then you in the little plane with the.
James Harrison
Listen, I was gonna be a. I was gonna be Andy. That plane went down.
Joe Hayden
Did he have.
James Harrison
Mr. Rooney went down and a player he had in the plane.
Joe Hayden
I tell you what, they never, bro.
James Harrison
Never been. Oh, listen, bro. So Mario Andre, like, the old. The older. He's like 70 something. I think at that time, the dad like, The. The. He was. He might have been like, 76 or something. Anyway, I was. I. I did the indie.
Joe Hayden
The.
James Harrison
The. The NAS2 season. Like the Indy 500. Yeah, that's it. It was Indianapolis 500, right? So I'm in there, dude, and we are Z track. 190 miles an hour, bro. I'm in that like a gorilla in a tricycle, right? Then I had to scoop me down in that moment. Yeah, clip, right? And as I'm going around it, Joe, this is the sickest thought I ever had in my head. And I'm like, how do I go and just, like, have this, like. Be like, memory like this. Oh, no.
Joe Hayden
You thought about grabbing the wheel.
James Harrison
No, I didn't, Joe. I said. Cause when you're going around, dude, it feels like you're drifting. Well, you're actually drifting into it, and you get vertigo. I don't know how he didn't get vertical. I was vertigoed. I was vertical out, dude. And I'm like, you know what? After the second time around, I'm like. I'm like, damn. I'm like, I wonder what it feel like to hit the wall. And I'm gonna be hitting it with. With Mario. I'm like. I'm like, let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and hit the wall. Let's see what. Let's see.
Joe Hayden
You said that to him?
James Harrison
I wanted it. I wanted to hit the wall with it, Joe.
Joe Hayden
I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, that's that. That's that crazy.
James Harrison
Yeah, I was crazy then. That was about.
Joe Hayden
I think I wanted to hit the
James Harrison
wall a little bit. What I'm like, that was about. Maybe about 12, 15 years ago, I think. I'm like, yo, like. Because I'm in there already. I'm feeling good. I'm like, go ahead. You know, you just drift. Knock the right tires off and all
Joe Hayden
that, you know, Let me see if my arms could.
James Harrison
You know what I'm saying, bruh? That's gonna make noise.
Joe Hayden
Gonna be crazy.
James Harrison
And I'll be up there with the picture, too.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, Debo, you're a wild man.
James Harrison
You know what I'm saying?
Joe Hayden
You a wild man.
James Harrison
You know what time it's time for Player fair, presented by Price. All right, Joe, let's see what you done cooked up for.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. To be more careful.
James Harrison
Tell me what you got, your reasoning behind it, and we're gonna play a fade this thing. What you got?
Joe Hayden
I got lamelo ball, over 20 and a half points. So I got him getting 21 at least. Going against going against Miami. I like him and my man Hero to be going back to back. Both of them trying to exchange buckets. Hero's gonna get. I know Hero's gonna get his buckets. And Lamelo not going outside. All right, we got Desmond Bane, Orlando. I just seen. He's averaging around 19 points, but I just seen him the last week go big body on everybody. So when I saw him on there, I just felt like I needed to pick him. Maybe not the best reason, but I don't know. I just felt that. And then Joker, I mean, He's. He's averaging 26, 27. He's getting like at least 12 to 12 rebounds, 12 assists a game. He's easily to do on Philly, like 30, 30 and 12. I like Joker.
James Harrison
I like.
Joe Hayden
I like Joker over basically every time. He's one of the best. He's probably the best center in the league. Still for show. Coming off too so many MVPs. It's just. You can't go wrong with Joker.
James Harrison
Okay, Joe, this is the only issue, though. I ain't the greatest at basketball.
Joe Hayden
I've heard.
James Harrison
Damn. All right. I ain't the greatest at basketball, Joe, So I'm gonna have to play with you because I'm gonna have to go with you on your knowledge because it's far greater than mine. So what y' all need to do is download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get 50 in lineups after you play your first fight out of liner. The code Debo Joe. Let's rock. Let's check out the super chat. Covenant life, of course, no cover life
Joe Hayden
always in the building.
James Harrison
$10, she said James Henry, please leave Joe Broad Tavius alone about them sorry Browns. I'll just say it's ours.
Joe Hayden
Sorry as of right now. Oh, go ahead,
James Harrison
listen. She said let him live in his dreams and keep. Keep hope alive. Debo is a conversation away from turning into heart, Joe. Listen, I'm gonna let you live in your dreams, keep hope alive as of
Joe Hayden
right now, you know, listen, to win in this NFL, you need a quarterback right now. I like our quarter. I mean, I like the Browns quarterback is a little bit better than the Steelers quarterback. Just saying. Just saying. Oh, you just saying right now. So I mean, I'm liking right now. We can see. I want. We got to see. We got to see what. We got to see what Will Howard did, though. I'm saying that's what everybody else is saying. I gotta see. We gotta see.
James Harrison
You'd be saying our.
Joe Hayden
Our Steelers and I had to say mine Browns, because you. You just. You just blatantly don't rock with them.
James Harrison
You said r. Our quarterback, and then you said the Browns.
Joe Hayden
My quarterback. Shador is a little bit better right now than our quarterback.
James Harrison
I was your quarterback. It's not the Browns quarterback.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, that's my. That's my. That's my.
James Harrison
Y' all listening to this, right? Chat. Y' all listening to this?
Joe Hayden
Yes, they are. The chat knows. The chat knows. Okay. You just. You just the one that don't act. I keep acting like you got amnesia. Acting like you don't know what's going on. Acting like you don't hear me.
James Harrison
Hey, hey. We go going over here to. It's C dot five dollars. And you know what? That's a true statement. The Browns can finally get to go to a Super bowl with the new dome. Wonder who they will be watching on game day.
Joe Hayden
Ah, that's a good one. And so has everybody else. The Cowboys came.
James Harrison
You know, the crazy. You know what?
Joe Hayden
The Vegas Raiders, they went. They went and watched the super bowl and they stad last time. You know, teams would be watching the super bowl all the time in their stadium. They want to laugh at the br.
James Harrison
The Lions built. Their stadium is the first one they had there. Guess who they was watching?
Joe Hayden
Yeah, us.
James Harrison
Pittsburgh Steelers winning.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James Harrison
You remember that game with you?
Joe Hayden
I'm with you on that one.
James Harrison
Yeah. Stadium was nice. The locker room was cool. We was in there smoking cigars, you know. You remember doing that?
Joe Hayden
Yep, yep.
James Harrison
You had a good time, too, you
Joe Hayden
know, in the cut, like, for rocks out, you know, like a cicada. Just, you know, they go, Joe over there.
James Harrison
Yeah. Excuse me. Yeah. You got Liam 9087 $5 said. Do you think my Washington can be used as more of a vertical threat like Gon Kralski was? What do you think, Joe?
Joe Hayden
I mean, yeah, we could send him down the scene. I'm. I don't know, like, I don't think. I don't know how. This is speed, and I don't want him to be exposed too much down there with them with his knees throwing him down the scene. But, I mean, yes, I think it could be a vertical threat, but I don't know about, like, how Gronk was. Gronk was a little more. I think a little more. When I say faster,
James Harrison
I say he was faster. And like, he. He, like, I think he was able to use, like, more.
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James Harrison
He could use it. I don't know, man. We never really tried to like go
Joe Hayden
ahead and get him down the scene though. I'm not mad at him. Cause he, he's, he's. But he got ball skills. He gonna go get the ball, that's for sure. No, how long take it to get down that seam. I gotta throw him on a couple seam routes, see how long it takes and then we'll go from there. But I'm not mad at it at all. Cause he's mossing the safeties. I mean once he get down there, you just
James Harrison
listen. I like the idea of going in there, running the ball, two tights and then when they go in, stacking that box. Then you go ahead and let them two boys run vertical.
Joe Hayden
Mm. Mm.
James Harrison
Yes, sir. Covenant life back again. Coming to life. You gotta get somebody else a chance. Coming to life. Ten dollars, she said, james, your training is legendary. What's one habit? What's one workout or habit that made the biggest difference in your career? What separated you from other linebackers, physically and mentally? It's not. It's not one thing. It's a. It's everything. I don't think a lot of guys say they willing to, like, do whatever and, and go wherever and try whatever and. And put in work, but very few people actually, like, go out there and do it. I think I just built a habit, and my habit just happened to be a good habit of just saying, you know what? I'm gonna go do it. No matter if I feel good, if I feel bad, it don't matter. The work gotta get done.
Joe Hayden
And
James Harrison
I think over time, it just. Like my daddy, he. He just. That was something that was instilled in me from the time I was 12. You know, I started working when I was 12, and that was just. I would clean, like, we would clean carpets, floors, all that, and I would be the person that had to get the corners, you know what I'm saying? I'm down there on hand, it's knees, just scrubbing it out. And it was, you know, it was. It was hard work, you know what I'm saying? But that's the work that I knew. So it wasn't. It wasn't an issue, man. And then like playing linebacker, like, the physicality of it, you just got to be physical. Like now I don't know how physical you gotta be anymore, but back then, you had to be extremely feel. You had to be willing to like, like, like, like your boy Marshawn Lynn said, like, I'm willing to go and just bam, bam. Yes, 70, over and over. And I'm gonna try and come harder and harder each time after that to try and put you to sleep. Hey, my goal was to make sure that you didn't finish that game. I didn't want to injure you. I didn't want you out for the season, but I wanted you to hurt enough to where you couldn't finish that game. And I don't think that mentality is there. Like, that physicality is even. I mean, I don't even know if it's allowed anymore, to be honest with you, you know, without it looking dirty because you got to hit a guy so low to even be safe. So that you don't lose your money.
Joe Hayden
I think dedication, Debo is built in you, you know what I'm saying? Learned it from your pops. Just grind, hard work.
James Harrison
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Covenant light. Back again. $10 he said. So how much of your success came from film study versus natural ability as a corner? How do you read a wide receiver's body language before the snap? Thank you for responding to my IQ message.
Joe Hayden
Come on, V, I got you covered it. But I say at the very beginning, when I first got drafted, a lot of that was just straight athletic ability. You don't really know how to study tape. You don't really know how to study film as good. So I would say my later years, I would say probably after fourth, fifth year in the league, when I really know how to study tape. Good. Being able to know third downs, down the distances, when you're studying receiver, knowing his mannerisms, knowing what he likes, what he doesn't like. So I think film study, the earlier that you get on the film study, because that's gonna make it a whole lot easier. Instead of you being out there as a corner, just lining up versus the receiver like it's one on ones out there, you're gonna get cooked. If you go out there with a plan, knowing what's going on, being able to come out there. All right, bet we in man to man. Just as soon as you get the call, you're able to know what you got going on. And then being able to be calm enough to look, okay, we got two by two, he's off the ball. From our film study, they gonna run this. When you're a rookie, you just trying to know what the play is and if you and your safety is in the same communication. So it's like taking a whole lot like, oh, hold on, what's the play? What's the play? All right. When you get to a vet, it's like, all right, bet. Know the play now, let me see what the hell they about to do. So now like, it comes with knowing the game, being comfortable, knowing what you got to do, knowing what your teammates got to do, knowing where your help is. And now you're like, all right, bet. I've seen this before so you can relax instead of when you first get out in the league. My rookie year, I couldn't tell you. I'm like, man to man, he's not catching the ball. All right, bet. So now I'm like, okay, that's for sure. So cover three. Okay, bet. All right, cover three. All right, good. Cover two. I Got to jam two. I got to make sure I get him. You know what I'm saying? I got to make sure I'm doing all of my steps. I'm doing my checklist. Like, okay, boom. I'm four and four. Okay, we got enough, tight end. It's so much stuff going through my head just from my plays. When you're a young rookie, then when you start getting older, they call the play. I know. I know that. Okay, well, I'm gonna be here. Whatever.
James Harrison
Whatever.
Joe Hayden
Now you're sitting there literally studying.
James Harrison
Boom.
Joe Hayden
What are they coming out in? What is this formation? Is he okay? He's two yard plus split. He's running an inside breaking route. All right, now, I know this. I'm telling Minka. Minka, okay, this is the one. If he runs a double move, I need you to get my back because I'm jumping this slant like I'm going for broke. All right, guys, I've done my film study. I've done my stuff. If he doesn't do this, I need you. You know what I'm saying? So being able to have that comfortableness and that confidence to know who got your back, who got your help, who do I need to talk to if I miss this? That doesn't just come on one day or, like a year. You got to start getting it, start understanding it. And when you're in the defense for a long amount of time, you had the same coaches, you had the same people that you're playing with. It just becomes easier and easier because everybody's doing the same thing. We study in the tape. We know the defense. We don't have to worry about who. No, we're flowing like breathe. Where you get a new player in there. Everybody gets to looking all crazy. I'm like, now you calm down, bro. Calm down.
James Harrison
You're freaking me out. Like, okay, I know what I'm doing. I know what my. My dude over here doing. I know what he doing over here. Now let me get a little further out.
Joe Hayden
A little further.
James Harrison
Well, you already in the back end. I was trying to figure out the back end and the people. Yeah. On the inside of me.
Joe Hayden
And I'm trying to figure out y' all stuff because now I'm like, once you figure out what everybody's doing, it all makes sense. You know, who's supposed to be there. And when it gets to you. Now, this is me. I'm supposed to be here.
James Harrison
As soon as you see that ball
Joe Hayden
caught in this, everybody know that's where is. And they like this. You like, ah, you better come.
James Harrison
You better.
Joe Hayden
We know it's you.
James Harrison
Joe. Hold up, man. They tripping, man. We got a new show logo, man. Look at this new show logo, man. Jimmy and Joe. No, no. Had a bro. Devo.
Joe Hayden
Not a people. Look, the people already just walking up.
James Harrison
Hey, man, y' all see me in the streets, man. Don't call me Jimmy. You might get your little.
Joe Hayden
I'm saying, not a people. Hey, Jimmy.
James Harrison
Hey, let go ahead, man. Go. I'm gonna. I'm have to. Joe. I'm gonna have to go ahead and catch a case.
Joe Hayden
You ain't scary.
James Harrison
Show him I can revert back. Hey, hold up. Let's look at this right here though. Now look in the chat.
Joe Hayden
What we got.
James Harrison
We gotta. We got a poll now. Which AFC north team win The Super bowl first. 65%. Steelers 23. Cravens. The Browns actually got 9% in. In. In Bangles.
Joe Hayden
I say because. Yeah, because I mean history. History. I ain't gonna lie, yo, they don't
James Harrison
even believe in you. Burrow.
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James Harrison
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Joe Hayden
They don't believe. And he keep getting his leg. They keep on hitting that young man.
James Harrison
They keep on disrespecting you.
Joe Hayden
Ravens, I can respect the 23 because they got the quarterback. They got Lamar and then the Steelers, Hoopers, ballers. We just need one. One.
James Harrison
Hey, listen, man. We building everything around that, man. We good. Listen, man, I'm trying to tell you, brother, look at man.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, that's for sure.
James Harrison
Yeah.
Joe Hayden
Wanted to happen with T. If they do. Because I wanted to. I want.
James Harrison
We.
Joe Hayden
I wanted to happen with our guys with TJ and Cam. Come on, man. We got a couple. We gotta get right. Get the one.
James Harrison
Gotta get one before they get up out of there. Michaela Randall, he is 8,843. $5. He said. Can we talk about. What if Justin Field stayed a Steeler? He actually did. What if he did stay? That ain't. That ain't gonna matter. I ain't gonna lie to you. That wouldn't have did much for us, buddy. You see what we had to get. We had to go and get Aaron Rodgers without that. If Justin Fields was there last year, man, we would have. We'd have had our first. Well, it wouldn't have been pretty. We would not have been in the playoffs. If you. If you think that that highly of. Of Justin Fields, then I'm questioning your. Questioning your knowledge of the game, sir.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I. I hope he does his thing in Kansas City until Patrick Mahomes comes back and everything works out. He got a nice deal, too, so. Man, come on. I think it was 10. I think it was 10 mil.
James Harrison
How many? One.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, I think it was one. Yeah, one. One year.
James Harrison
Okay. So, yeah, definitely a good opportunity for him.
Joe Hayden
Right on. Right on time.
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Joe Hayden
Me and Peasy Jr. Locking that up. And I'm telling you, like what I'm saying, too. He's just being able to now get into his own duffel. He was going off. Natural athletic ability. Now things starting to slow down for my man. He's starting to watch tape.
James Harrison
You don't understand that slowdown.
Joe Hayden
They don't understand. It's bound to slow down for him. Like, he's now getting into his car. He's getting comfortable. He walking out that thing knowing what's up, you know, he's starting to now know, okay, I'm playing with the quarterback. I'm trying to show him this, but I'm gonna really give him this. You know what I'm saying? So I think just watching him grow into the position, being able to use his feet, he hasn't been doing no pulling, none of that stuff, man. I just been watching the maturation, the Ps, and that's what happened when I started getting up in my. When I started playing the league. Just being able to feel more comfortable, being able to watch more tape and then just being able to be better and better.
James Harrison
Hey, Michaela Randle. He came back. He said he was. He said $2. He said he was better than Russ. When he came in talking about Justin Fields
Joe Hayden
by.
James Harrison
I'm not gonna argue.
Joe Hayden
Yes, you can.
James Harrison
You can have.
Joe Hayden
You can have that. But I'm.
James Harrison
I'm not gonna argue. I'm not gonna argue that. I'm not gonna argue that. It's not. It's not.
Joe Hayden
Definitely, Definitely wasn't turning over the rocket. Like he was protecting the rock, but it just was the down. The. The downfield throws. Like, I mean, it's still. It's good, but there's difference between me and good. And like, is that. Is that what we want? You know what I'm saying? Like, cool, but, like, no, that's not going to get us where we need to get. We talking about the next team? Are we going to win the Lombardi? I don't think so. You know what I'm saying? So, like, you can still have. Like, is that it? Still. It still would be a stepping stone. We would still be looking from where we going after Fields, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's kind of right.
James Harrison
We would definitely be still looking for a quarterback.
Joe Hayden
With Fields was on the team, we'd
James Harrison
be in the pickle. Yeah. So, yeah, I ain't gonna argue with you on that. You got. You got a valid. You got. You got validation there. You came back. You came back. Maybe you could talk a little bit ball now. Maybe you can talk a little bit ball now.
Joe Hayden
Yes, sir.
James Harrison
It's about that time, baby. Hey, we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe and download where to get your show.
Joe Hayden
Joe, holla at your boys. We will be here again on Friday, same time.
James Harrison
St. Patrick's Day, right? St. Patrick's Day, right.
Joe Hayden
Oh, today is.
James Harrison
I think it is. I'm part Iris.
Joe Hayden
I knew I was feeling something.
James Harrison
I was feeling something in me. I was feeling that. I feel like I had to go get some green beer. I gotta get some green beer and maybe some green eggs.
Joe Hayden
Some green eggs at hand.
James Harrison
Maybe I'll just die in green.
Joe Hayden
I don't know about that. Hey, what up? They gonna catch us on Friday. Same time, same place, brother Debo.
James Harrison
Here we go.
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