Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Aaron Rodgers & Steelers FALLING to Joe Flacco & Bengals

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Debo & Joe - REACTION to Aaron Rodgers & Steelers FALLING to Joe Flacco & Bengals

Release Date: October 17, 2025
Hosts: James "Debo" Harrison, Joe Hayden

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Episode Overview

In this fiery, unscripted episode, former NFL stars James "Debo" Harrison and Joe Hayden break down the shocking Steelers loss to Joe Flacco and the Bengals, with pointed reactions to Aaron Rodgers' performance, the state of the Steelers defense, and league-wide officiating. The hosts candidly dissect game film, air frustrations, and discuss hot-button topics—from coaching accountability and personnel to micromanagement by NFL officials and off-field controversies. Their language is raw, their takes are unfiltered, making this a must-listen for passionate football fans.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Technical Difficulties and Setting the Tone

• [01:41-02:43] The episode opens with playful banter amid tech glitches and weather issues. Debo jokes about trying to dodge talking Steelers and his camera "malfunctioning," setting a humorous but tense tone given his frustration about the loss.

2. Steelers vs. Bengals Game Recap & In-Game Analysis

Strong Steelers Start, Fading Momentum

• [03:00-05:15] Debo and Joe recount the Steelers opening drive touchdown and early 10-0 lead. Debo describes initial optimism but nerves about "getting behind the chains" with early penalties.

Momentum Shifts & Critical Mistakes

• [05:15-07:31] After the Steelers’ early success, the Bengals counter with a string of big plays, including crucial third-down conversions, a Jamar Chase touchdown, and a momentum-shifting Aaron Rodgers interception. Joe and Debo dissect the interception, pinpointing it as an avoidable, forced throw:

  "The safety was leaning over that way...That was just an unnecessary turnover."
  — Joe Hayden [06:26]

• [07:31-09:10] Another Bengals TD (Higgins 29-yard slant), defensive breakdowns, and an impressive pick by DJ Turner II. Debo credits the DB's technique:

  "Being able to play through the hands, discipline, didn’t interfere..."
  — Joe Hayden [07:39]

Second Half Dogfight and Flacco's Surge

• [09:10-13:30] The Steelers mount a scoring drive but can’t stop Joe Flacco, who orchestrates a clinical 67-yard TD drive. Flacco’s quick decisions and command of the offense draw both respect and exasperation:

  "Old man Flacco, that the Browns should have never gave to the Bengals, goes and does a whole drive, just nothing but eight passes, dude."
  — James Debo Harrison [09:13]

Steelers Rally Falls Short

• [13:30-14:17] After a big play gives the Steelers a one-point lead, Flacco and the Bengals work the clock, exploit coverage lapses, and set up the game-winning field goal. The hosts berate the defense for late-game failures, especially in pass coverage against Jamar Chase.

Painful Defensive Review

• [14:17-20:12] Debo rips through recent Steelers results, chronicling recurring failures to stop both run and pass—regardless of the opponent’s offensive ranking. He highlights a pattern: the only recent wins have come via opponent turnovers or weak rookie QBs. The hosts question the defensive coaching and execution:

  "Are we not understanding what we’re doing, or are we not explaining this well enough? Is this a coaching issue or just getting beat?"
  — James Debo Harrison [22:41]

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3. Identifying the Steelers’ Defensive Crisis

Is It Scheme, Coaching, or Players?

• [20:53-26:43] Joe asserts that blown coverages, miscommunication, and poor run fits are at the heart of the Steelers’ failures, not a lack of talent:

  "It’s not a personnel problem. We do have the personnel. There’s too many times when people are running scot free."
  — Joe Hayden [17:40]

• The duo emphasize that repeated defensive breakdowns leave elite players (like Ramsey and Slay) exposed. Meanwhile, the front seven fails to control the line of scrimmage, letting runners reach the second level easily.

How Do They Fix It?

• [24:09-27:00] The need for improved assignment discipline and communication is stressed. Both hosts call for honest accountability and “winning your one on ones”:

  "Your job is done first...People don’t even need to worry about their partner yet because they’re not doing their job." — Joe Hayden [55:35]

The Thursday Night Road Game Excuse?

• [28:44-30:11] Debo pins blame, half in jest, on the Steelers’ abysmal record in Thursday Night road games, noting that this isn’t a new pattern for the franchise.

4. Controversies & NFL Officiating

Micah Parsons’ Comments on Refereeing

• [39:24-43:47] Reaction to Micah Parsons’ complaint about “one-sided” officiating, specifically the NFL favoring offenses to increase scoring. Debo and Joe—both defenders—respond with stories of their own frustrations:

  "It’s the league…it’s the way it is…they want to see points."
  — James Debo Harrison [43:15]

League Office Involvement in On-Field Calls

• [50:42-53:03] The hosts discuss reports that NFL headquarters influenced an on-field call in a Jared Goff touchdown scenario. Both argue this risks the integrity of the game:

  "At what point do they say...maybe the league is fixed?"
  — James Debo Harrison [52:19]

5. Travis Hunter’s Baptism – Off-field Reactions

• [45:30-50:35] Debo and Joe vent against Skip Bayless’s criticism of Travis Hunter’s timing for his baptism before a game:

  "Calling somebody out because they got baptized is like calling somebody out for going to church on Sunday...That don’t make no sense."
  — James Debo Harrison [46:17]

  "If somebody’s accepting their Lord and Savior...I’m so happy for him. This is bigger than football."
  — Joe Hayden [47:53]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Game Reflection & Emotional Realness

• "Right now, we trash. Yeah, bro."
  — James Debo Harrison [34:47]

• "That’s demoralizing—that you can’t stop another man from putting you where he wants you so they can go where they want to."
  — James Debo Harrison [33:30]

• "We can’t even bust a grape in a fruit fight right now."
  — James Debo Harrison [31:54]

• "If Aaron Rodgers didn’t throw two picks, we probably still won the game...The defense needed another stop, or they wouldn't have lost."
  — Joe Hayden [27:44]

Fan Interactions (Superchats & Audience Questions)

• [56:15-58:20] The hosts read live fan superchats, including frustrations about Thursday night AFC North records, defensive “folding,” and whether Cincinnati should stick with Flacco.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:41] Start of show; technical difficulties, humor
• [03:00–07:31] Steelers’ fast start, Bengals’ rally, deep-dive on early drives
• [09:10–13:30] Flacco’s dominance, key third/fourth quarter swing plays
• [14:17–20:12] Steelers defensive post-mortem: statistical breakdowns, blame assessment
• [23:12–24:27] Play-by-play breakdown of final Bengals’ drive and accountability concerns
• [30:11] The “Thursday Night” curse and long-term Steelers trends
• [39:24–43:47] Micah Parsons versus NFL refs; defensive bias complaints
• [45:30–50:35] Skip Bayless-Travis Hunter baptism controversy
• [50:42–53:03] NFL league office’s influence on in-game officiating
• [56:15–59:39] Fan superchats: AFC North struggles, keeping Flacco, defensive “10 men” jokes

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Original Language & Tone

This episode is raw, unfiltered, and passionate—equal parts football analysis and fan therapy, with Debo in particular oscillating between fiery critique and dark football humor. Joe Hayden is more even-keeled but equally pointed in his critique, pushing for constructive solutions amid the mayhem. The show is honest about its homer lean but doesn’t sugarcoat criticism, using everyday language, locker room metaphors, and streetwise analogies.

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Final Thoughts

The podcast encapsulates the pain and indignation of passionate Steelers fandom during a tough loss, while also offering concrete insight into broader NFL issues—schematics, player accountability, officiating debates, and off-field topics. The chemistry and candor between Debo and Joe make for an entertaining, authentic, and thoroughly informative episode, especially for those who missed the games but want a real sense of what happened and why it matters.

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Transcript

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[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Yes. Yeah, make sure you like and subscribe to our channel. You don't want to miss nothing. Yo. Hey, I think my camera just went. I think I'm getting some. I'm getting some interference. Some type of technical difficulties here. Hey, can you guys see what's going on here?

[Joe Hayden]

Make sure you chat on that. Yeah, I don't know.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm getting a lot of noise here. What the hell is going. Yeah, yo, I think. Yo, it's storming outside right now, man. Camera dude, like it's crazy. I don't know what's going on.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, bro, honestly.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hold up, bro. I think the dog water through my door right here, bro. I don't know what is going on, bro. Yo, I think we're gonna have to cancel this, bro. We got to pick this up on Monday. I can't. I can't see or hear anything.

[Joe Hayden]

Bro, you good? You good. I see you. You good. You right on the screen. You good to go?

[James Debo Harrison]

We're here. We got.

[Joe Hayden]

We got to do today. We got to talk about. We got to talk about what happened. You started. Yeah, you trying to malfunction?

[James Debo Harrison]

I was. Look, I was looking for my glasses.

[Joe Hayden]

You over there trying. You over there trying to up the system because you don't want to talk about the Steele game.

[James Debo Harrison]

I was. I was trying to get my glasses. That's what I. Okay, we back.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, we here.

[Joe Hayden]

We here today.

[James Debo Harrison]

We here.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, we gotta talk about. We gotta talk about it.

[James Debo Harrison]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

Did you see the game? Did you see the game?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, I saw the game.

[Joe Hayden]

Did you watch the whole entire thing?

[James Debo Harrison]

I watched the whole entire thing. Oh, you know what? Yeah, you know, let's. Okay, okay, listen. The first dry. Listen, it was okay, but like, I was a little nervous because we got behind the chains with the little frost. Start at the first drive, okay? Third and 11. And then he hit my guy DK because they put him one on one. That was. That was. Yes, 39 right there.

[Joe Hayden]

Great, great. You gotta start early.

[James Debo Harrison]

Jalen came through. It was like three carries out. He think he got about 20, 20 yards or so. You know, we get. We get that Good, nice little 10 yard touchdown, baby. You're giving him all that time?

[Joe Hayden]

All that time. It was a lot of seven.

[James Debo Harrison]

Seven. Seven nothing, dude. Seven nothing. Bengals offense come out there, we go ahead, jump on they neck, second down, we get that good sack on them, and then they able to convert on the third and 14 for 18 yards.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, Joe Flacco was throwing the ball on time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he was throwing the ball on real, real, real long time. But we, you know, we. We hold him up. You know, we do what we gotta do. We make them. We make him punt one of only, what, three times that we made him punt. Anyway, offense comes out. Then what happened, bro? What happened, bro? When the offense came out, bro, The Steelers offense. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, we punted the first.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, we punted the second time we came out, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, the second time we came out, we punted. And the third time we came out, we got a field goal.

[James Debo Harrison]

Nah, dude, not his first pick. Then.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. A rod at the beginning of the game, bro. We started good the first two. The first at the first quarter, it was like 10, 10, 0. You know what I'm saying? Because we went down the first drive. Obviously we scored. Then we stopped the Bengals on their first two drives, and then Our next drive, we.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

When it was 10 nothing. Debo, that's when everything for the Steelers was looking good. Everything was fine.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, it wasn't. The Bengals offense came immediately out after we went up 10 nothing. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

That's when it hit the head for.

[James Debo Harrison]

27 yards off rip. Either the linebacker or the D lineman was out of the position. Didn't get to where they needed to get to. Dude. And then on the third and 10, they get 15. Like, come on, get a touchdown call back and still run the play. The next play. And hit the same hit. Chase again. Give him we 10. We 10, 7.

[Joe Hayden]

Jamar Chase, fade ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

Jamar Chase. Too much chase.

[Joe Hayden]

We're gonna get.

[James Debo Harrison]

We'll get to that anyway.

[Joe Hayden]

We're gonna go play by play rundown. Then we're gonna give them the end of what we really think happened.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now that's where they come back out.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

And the Bengals go. Not. Not the Bengals, the Steelers, the Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's when we come out and throw that pick.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, the Steelers come out when we throw a pick. Like, I understand trying to, like, get the ball to him, but like, on that one, I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

That's not a good play right there, Deebo. That's not a good pick. It was the. The. The corner was on top, obviously, and the safety was leaning over that way. He was looking at the safety. Safety was. It was either the corner or the safety was going to pick it. He didn't need to throw that ball. Like, that was just an unnecessary turnover that we had for sure. That was a bad. That was one. That was a bad play for Rogers on her part. Like that. When I was looking and I was. I'm like, now the momentum is starting to shift.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? The momentum.

[James Debo Harrison]

And they get the ball back and they crack us in the head for 37 on the first play. Brown.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

He. I'm. I'm at a loss. Get a PI. And then here come the other receiver, Higgins. Higgins, 29 yard touchdown.

[Joe Hayden]

And he runs the slant straight through the defense like it's wide open. And that's when Joe Flacco throwing it on time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

Hits him. He cuts up in between four of the Steelers defenders. Like, it just. It looked Flacco was throwing on time. And then that's when they started picking our defense apart. Brother zones mans running everything, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then immediately I'm thinking, yeah, we got a chance. The offense is still moving the ball. We go, I ain't gonna Lie. Dude. Dude made a play on that ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my goodness. DJ Turner ii. That play was amazing. Like, being able to play through the hands, discipline, didn't interfere.

[James Debo Harrison]

Was able to go down and got the knee down. Yeah, got down. Now, don't. Don't, don't. Don't forget, he got down. He had to get down.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, he.

[James Debo Harrison]

One.

[Joe Hayden]

One knee is two feet. He got that knee down and had control of the ball. It was no DK Trying to rough it back. No, they was like, is the ball wobbling, moving? I'm like, no, it's not.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's a pick right there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a pick. Well, at least that time we was able to hold him to a field goal. So. Yes, it's. It's 10. It's 10 to 17. You know, ain't feeling too bad. Still feeling like, you know, we could. We could possibly do something, get it going, and we don't. We don't. The Bengals offense comes out in third quarter, and they convert a fourth down. I'm thinking, yo, the best we could hope for is a field goal. And we get that. Get the field goal, we get the field. We get. We. We hold them to a field goal. It's 20 to Ramsey.

[Joe Hayden]

Made a good stop on with. On T. Higgins in the end zone to be able to stop a touchdown on there. So definitely defense stood up there, got a field goal.

[James Debo Harrison]

Cool.

[Joe Hayden]

So we looking at 20 to 10.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. Offense come out there, and we finally start getting something going. Get a couple runs from Warren. You know, Roger starts making some. Some good throws. We're a little behind the chains on that third down, though. We. We. What was it? Third, 19, 20, 18, 18, something like that. Fryer move come through for us.

[Joe Hayden]

Down ball. The fire move. I move balled out.

[James Debo Harrison]

17, 20. Man, I'm feeling good now. I'm thinking, yo, all right, not a. You know, not a defense. Go wake up. You know what happened? This old man Flacco that the Browns should have never gave to the Bengals goes and does a whole drive, just nothing but eight passes, dude. 67 yards. Touchdown.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. And during that drive, the big play I liked on the third down that he converted, it was third and four when Slay. They came down, and they was basically in a zero coverage, just doubling Jamar Chase. Safety came, dropped down, left him zero coverage with that, and he just. Flacco was throwing it on time. Looking at the players, man to man, okay, Boom. Like, dropped it right over his head on that deep third and fourth to Convert there for them to be able to get down there to score. So I'm like, Flacco was looking good. Defense was not making those plays that they needed to make.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question. But again, dude, it's not. It's not.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not over.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's not over.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not over.

[James Debo Harrison]

We. We go ahead and punch 137 for Jalen. Going bust. 137 on the next. On the next drive, the very first play, Roger, you know, Rogers finishes it up. Touchdown. We. Hey, it's 24 to 27. I'm like, yo, we got. We got real shot, real chance here. Like, defense go hold. You know what I'm saying? Yep. Flacco and the dude, the running back, Brown D. I'm even with a holding penalty. Dude putting up. We still had to. We still gave up a field goal.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, I'm upset.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, it was a lot of missed assignments there, though. Like, when the tight end caught that pass and got, like, a 38 yard completion, like, that's just missed assignments. You know what I'm saying? Dudes running scot free down the field. They was able to hold him, but you just can't do that. Like, dudes running wide open. I can see if they contest it. But running scot free, that's missed assignments.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question, man. Then the offense, they come back out, they do a three out, and I'm like, yo, no, this. This ain't going. I'm like, yo, please, defense, just hold them just one time. Just give them. Give me one time. And they do it right.

[Joe Hayden]

They do. They did. My man sw. Came out, got his sack.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm like, we got this. And, dude, we go and get a big play. This is the only time. I'm like, we done gave them a big play. We done got a big play. We done scored a touchdown. It's Great. We're up 31 now, 31 to 30.

[Joe Hayden]

31, 30.

[James Debo Harrison]

But it's too much time left for Joe Flacco.

[Joe Hayden]

Two minutes, 21 seconds, Deebo. And this is when all the game. This is for all the marbles.

[James Debo Harrison]

Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase. I was. I just got tired of hearing his name.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, this is what I'm thinking, but it's looking like we're leaning back, and a lot of those are in, like, zones. Get out there. If you got a punt, hit punch number two and get underneath number one. Because we got Joey Porter and them, like, bailing out and Jamar Chase is running those comebacks and curls like right to the sideline. I'm not understanding it though.

[James Debo Harrison]

I. I think what it came down to, dude, they started running the Rock. We started putting eight, nine in the box. Joe started doing run pass option, dumping it off. So we try and get him out the box and like when you got him in the box like that and he. Yo, they going manned up. Come on, stop, man. You talking about Jamar Chase and Higgins.

[Joe Hayden]

You and. But the thing that was getting me. The thing that was getting me though, bro, was we were running. If we were running man coverage, we got to still, at the end of the day, try to still protect the sideline. Like he's running. He's running deep benches like 12 and outs, you know what I'm saying? Getting the ball and being able to get to the sideline. Like we should be able to at least trap those. A couple of plays I was looking with Jamar Chase, random ones with Jalen Ramsey was running across in motion with him and he would run the out route. I would want slay outside corner. Like if you get outside release, look back in. He's in the slot. Ja' Marr Chase right now, steal that. You know what I'm saying? Like have a safety over top. You can go steal that. So it was just not good, good plays. And then the last play with the.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, the one that the safety tried to steal ended up being a touchdown. You talking about food for this for, for, for the Bengals? Oh, yeah. No, no.

[Joe Hayden]

They was, they was. They was tripping that safety. He needs to just be backing over the top. I'm talking.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know what he was doing on that one.

[Joe Hayden]

He was wild.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now we got to use our timeouts. We can't stop them. Yard field goal.

[Joe Hayden]

It was the grand. Higgins caught the fade ball too and was. And got down and didn't go score.

[James Debo Harrison]

Didn't go score.

[Joe Hayden]

Get the ball back.

[James Debo Harrison]

IQ up there.

[Joe Hayden]

IQ on a thousand. I wanted him about winning. Like he's trying to win.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, dude. Yeah. It was not. Dude, it was. It was not a pretty performance by us at all. We have problems. We have defensive problems. Specifically run and pass game. We ain't face nobody, dude. We done played the jets who we beat, but it was a 19th ranked offense, dude. They still gave up 182 yard rushes. That's like what, four, seven a pop? The running back had five and some change of pop. And Justin, he ain't had that much, but he was efficient. 1622 for 218. We lost to Seattle, who is a 10th ranked offense. We gave up what, four yards of rush that game. Running back Walker, that boy had eight yards a pop. Arnold almost had 300. Like we had two turnovers, but we, we gave up two. We traded. I think both got 10 points. We broke even there, lost the game. And then New England 26 in the rush, dude, they got a. They got 119 yards rushing, which ain't a lot. It ain't, it ain't a lot in it. Four yards of rusher. So their biggest rusher was the quarterback. I think he had maybe six of rough. But they, they also had 207 yards pass. The only reason we won that game is we got five turnovers. They either stopped themselves from scoring or we stopped them from scoring and ended up getting points from it. Plus the quarterback was sacked five times and in key situations. So that win right there, we wouldn't have got it without all of the turnovers and the pressure. Minnesota again, 25th, 21st in the rush. 70 yards ain't bad. Not bad at all. Okay, we, we, we, we. We gave up. We gave up 350 passing. We got two turnovers that helped us. One field goal got blocked, the other one we scored a touchdown on. But again we got six sacks. We got pressure on him. You know what I'm saying? So we made them. We, we. They wasn't doing everything great. But if it wasn't for the fact that we got the turnovers, we'd have lost that one. And The Browns, dude, 28. They 28 on everything, man. 65 yards rushing. But they tried to go in there and use a quarterback to pass the ball 52 times. You get him sacked and pressured like.

[Joe Hayden]

That was more the Browns.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's like. Yes. And then we get to the Bengals, bro, dead last in the rush. 31st total. We give up. 142 yards. Dude. Rushing six a tote in the running back brown. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

11 for 108.

[James Debo Harrison]

11 for 108. Almost 10 yards of tow on top of. We turned the ball over twice. They got 10 points off of that. And Flacco bust us for almost 350. We have a huge defense problem. I'm looking at the talent we have. We have the talent, right? I'm thinking we have the talent. So what is going wrong, bro? Like what? You tell me what is going wrong here?

[Joe Hayden]

This is what it is. A lot of that bim but don't break stuff. We do that all the time. But there's too many times when people are running scot free there's too many times where somebody there's busted coverages or people are just running wide open, you know what I'm saying? So that's what on the secondary part, I'm speaking on the secondary first. On the secondary there's too many miscommunications. There's too many people running scot free on a lot of these things. And then in their zones, if you're running the zone, you got to get to your zone. People need to be in the spaces that they're supposed to be. When we're bailing out on Ja' Marr Chase and letting him just run these corner routes, you have to keep eyes on him, leverage, you know what I'm saying? And then losing your one on ones. There were opportunities where when I love Jalen Ramsey, but when you're playing on the dude and you're outside and you're having them dudes, those are plays that they made and we did it, you know what I'm saying? Those plays that they're making that we're not making are hurting that defense. Then at the same time, when you go to the running game, these are explosive plays. These dudes were running. Every time they toted it, they were getting to the second level. That's on who? That's on your defensive line.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's on the front line. Dude, that's on your front line.

[Joe Hayden]

On your front line right there, some pushback and giving him contact. He needs to be getting contacted before he gets to the second level. Like secondary making tackles, that's because you're somebody else in the front is messing up. It's a whole lot easier to look at Jalen Ramsey, to look at Darius Slay, to look at the secondary because those dudes are out there on the island playing versus ballers. So if nobody's getting to them, you're going to be able to see their mistakes a whole lot more glaring because you know what I'm saying, they're out there on the forefront. When their dudes running 11 carries for 108, why is he getting to the second level each time there's people.

[James Debo Harrison]

If you're able to be that successful in the run now you have to try and stop the run, which opens up your opportunities for easier, deeper passes. Because now you got to bring more people down into the box to try and stop the run. When you can't stop the run, it opens up the pass period. And the only reason we've been able to win is Aaron went buku against the jets, okay, they did that that's why we want that. The defense, not even the defense. The the Patriots turned everything over Minnesota couldn't protect. And the Browns, they had a rookie quarterback. Yeah, like we done spent all this paper over here on defense. And don't get me wrong, like I said, the offense. Yes, they have some issues too.

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

It's issues on the offensive side but we didn't spend all that money over there on the office. Yeah, we got dk but yeah we can't effectively run the ball like we got to do dunk game alternatives for running the ball because our offensive line isn't effective enough. We got we got 5011 tight ends that we just started using last week.

[Joe Hayden]

We scored 31 points. Debo the Steelers are supposed to win.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. Easter famine around here and and and and it starts with with with turnovers and pressure. Rather we get them or it's self inflicted and then we ended up picking them up because dude fumbled the Rock. How many times in New England? What, three, two, three, four. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

He was good. It looked like a replay. He kept coughing the ball. It was three. About three.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. I don't, I don't even know. Like, we have to get this fixed. On the defensive side, you can plainly see where, like you said, guys are missing assignments. Are we, are, are we not understanding what we doing or are we not explaining this well enough? If this is a coaching, Is this a coaching issue? Like, or is it just playing out? You're just getting beat and you can't get to the spot that you need to be at and be able to do the job that you need to do. I. It's everything I believe, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

I think when you see. And at the same, it's a lot of those. Because I was watching plays, brother. Like when they had to drive the ball down on the last drive to go score and ja' Marr Chase ran the under route and the text message that you sent, he was fifth. Like nobody was in the screen. And that's Jamar Chase running the underneath route for 18 yards when all they have to do is get down in field goal range to win the game. Like, that's just. How is he doing that? And that's accountability. Like, it looked like it's three. Three. It looked like a fire zone coverage. And that means that had to be maybe changed.

[James Debo Harrison]

I mean, you can see. What's his name? Linebacker? Six.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, six. But I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm saying we're not in the locker room exactly, but it's either. You got a fire.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, I'm saying you can see he was confused. He's pointing, trying to tell somebody to go here, go there. And nobody moves to it. When, when he motions, I'm like.

[Joe Hayden]

But yeah, long story short, they need to get on the tape room, the film room, because those things don't need to be happening. People that ended up running scot free like you said, Jamar Chase, there's no reason he should be running down the field wide open for 18 yard game when y' all are trying to prevent a field goal to, to win the game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. And like immediately, dude, I'm like 31 to 30. I'm like two minutes, some change, not liking it. It's, this is. Yo. And dude jumps up like, you go, come on, man, this, this, this young stuff that you doing to a 41 year old quarterback. You go jump on this man's back and tackling. You know, you could have broke A hip. Yeah, like this. He's a quarterback. He. He's fragile. You can't. You can't go doing all that. Celebrate and celebrate. Now it looks real bad because we couldn't hold nothing. Dude, we're going to be in trouble. Trouble. Like we haven't faced a top half offense. I take it back. New England was 16, but it took five turnovers, six sacks to get that accomplished, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, we're not going to get that against Green Bay. We're not going to get that against Indianapolis. We're not going to get that against Los Angeles. That's not going. I'm even worried about Chicago now because they 14 buffalo. Come on, man. If we.

[Joe Hayden]

Like you said though, it's not a. It's not a personnel problem. We do have the personnel to do it. We are opportunistic. They do get a lot of turnovers. They just got to win first downs. Like get them behind the sticks. They weren't getting. Getting them behind the sticks or if they did, then Flo Joe Flacco was throwing it on time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right. Even when we got behind the sticks, they're getting 30, 14, stuff like that.

[Joe Hayden]

Flacco was balling. He was throwing the ball on time. And that's when you gotta win your one on ones and be able to get after the quarterback. So. I mean.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. And we getting no pressure. Like, dude, we gotta face Detroit too. All they do is run the ball effectively.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that. That's going. That, that. That could be. Dude, that could be trouble. That could be trouble. Oh, Diva, you stress it out, huh?

[James Debo Harrison]

Bruh?

[Joe Hayden]

You stressing out. But look, this the thing. This the thing, y'. All. We still still scored 31 points. The offensive line protected Aaron Rodgers. He was standing upright a lot of the game. He was able to make classes. Jalen Warren was toting the running game did.

[James Debo Harrison]

Look, it's.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't care. They still won though the bank. We can't be. It's any given Sunday. And now the Bengals with Flacco. He. Flacco's not a dummy. You know what I realized? If you got a gutter, if you got a better receiver than the Bengals.

[James Debo Harrison]

Didn'T have Flacco on defense, it still ain't help us win. Defense got to show up at some point in time.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, we can't.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know when's the last time we had a defense that was ranked this low. What are we, 26, 28?

[Joe Hayden]

That was a. That was a good. That was a. Yeah, that was the defense played Bad, that game for sure. But that was a good. That was a good football game. That was a good football game by the offensive side of the ball and by Joe Flaccos because he was throwing the.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't give a damn about a good football game. I'd rather be sitting here talking about how we won ugly than how we. Uhuh. I don't care how good the game was, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey man, listen, that's, that's, that's, that's that, that's that. It's any given Sunday, Debo. Now you going back to when they won all those games and saying, oh no, they only they didn't play. You play against who you play in the stadium. You can't be talking out of both sides of your mouth. You know what I'm saying? You got to give them credit when they win and then when they lose, definitely bash them. But at the end of the day, if Aaron Rodgers didn't throw two picks, we still probably still won the game, you know what I'm saying? Like the defense did make a couple of stops at the end of the game on the fourth quarter. Offense could have drove. They made one stop, bro, instead of punting, that's that. That was.

[James Debo Harrison]

The other two stops was early in the first quarter.

[Joe Hayden]

In the fourth they made one.

[James Debo Harrison]

The last eight possessions, they scored seven or eight. What is you talking about, bro?

[Joe Hayden]

They made one stop in the fourth job.

[James Debo Harrison]

One time.

[Joe Hayden]

One time in the fourth.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like just once. That's it. You only one time, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

They, they didn't play good. They should, they needed, they needed another one obviously, or they wouldn't fucking lost the game.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what, man? I'm a. I'm gonna talk this up. I'm gonna talk this up to Thursday night road games. That's what I'm gonna talk it up to.

[Joe Hayden]

Quick, quick, quick turnaround. My man Flack only had three days of practice.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. That's what I'm doing. It's Thursday night road game. So that's. We, we got the worst Thursday night road game performance ever. Like, it's the longest streak in 45 years on Thursday night. I guess.

[Joe Hayden]

What? Yo, the record.

[James Debo Harrison]

The Steelers record Distillers record, buddy. Yes, yes, I guess, bro. Games over the Last what since 2000? I take it back. You go all the way back to 80.

[Joe Hayden]

Now we see why Coach T was pissed though.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. It ain't. It ain't pretty. I don't think Coach T Don't wrote won a Thursday Night road game in his career. That's wild.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I'll say. I was. Yeah, I was today. Years old.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what I'm gonna chalk it up to then. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Chocolate up to Thursday.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Chalk it up to a short week.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Talk it up to Thursday. Talking up to a short week. Talking up the miscommunicate. It's Thursday and everything happened because it was Thursday. Road game away. That's what I'm gonna go with. Even though I know it's bullshit. We've been playing as a defense like trash. We just been able to get splash plays, sacks at the right times and all that other stuff to be able to beat mediocre teams.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Shootouts and shootouts. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you speaking facts. The defense has to play better. They have to. They have the talent, they have the plate. They have the players. They got to get that on tape because the, the running defense is not looking good. And then the passing defense, I mean.

[James Debo Harrison]

Even in the, on the offensive side, like it. We're having, we're having errors of what's going on. People don't know what's going.

[Joe Hayden]

The flea flicker.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, dude, he's like, what are you doing? Like, I can do like, what are you doing?

[Joe Hayden]

I can. The flea flicker. You running the wrong play.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

He was hot.

[James Debo Harrison]

He was hot, dude. I, I just, I'll get over it. You know what though? No. Just feeling losing don't feel as bad as it do when you actually there and you lose it. So how I'm feeling, I know they feeling way worse. So hopefully that feeling to motivate them, coaches, players, everybody alike to get whatever fixed we need to get fixed and get this thing moving in the right direction. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

As a. With a 26, 28, we're not, we're not, we're not going to go nowhere. These offenses that we're going to face in the next, what, four or five weeks. Dang, they ain't turning the rock over like that. They, they, they doing things more effective than anybody that we've played yet to date. If we come out there playing like we've been playing the last six, seven weeks, we go get the band struck up on us, we go getting bears, they go dog walk us amd. Drop your nuts, man. Put your foot in the ground, stand for something. Dude, we can't even bust a grape in a fruit fight right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, I mean, the stats don't lie. And they be running that ball. They be toting it. So, you know, they gotta, They. I know they got pride, man. I know they got pride in that locker room. And they don't want to hear us talking about how bad this damn run defense is and Debo over there looking pissed.

[James Debo Harrison]

So, dude, not just the run, the past. Every dude, everything.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm more with the past defense, too. Like you said, Deebo, I mean, it's the total defense. It's both.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm not gonna lie. I'm more like. To run. I'd feel far better if somebody beat me passing because they were just quick getting out the hands or something. But when you run the ball on somebody, you have to physically move them out of your way.

[Joe Hayden]

Out of your way and make. Create holes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. That. That's demoralizing. That you can't stop another man from putting you where he wants you so they can go where they want to.

[Joe Hayden]

They're imposing. They will on you.

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[Joe Hayden]

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm putting my foot on your neck.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that. No, that's a bad feeling, too, as a db, just watching your boys just getting tossed out of the way. You know that you got to make that tackle or he's gonna strike up the band on the run play. It's crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. Getting scored on. Dude. On the run play. That ain't even on a run. Play that because we on the goal line. If it's. If it's. If it's three yards or less, like, even, then you gotta drop down and stand up. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Every blade, bro. Every blade of grass. Debo, you gotta call every blade.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't even know why we came on here today. Dang.

[Joe Hayden]

You were not expecting this, Deebo. And that is for sure. I can tell you are perplexed. You are a little. Yeah. You get a little frustrated when the Steelers. You get frustrated when the Steelers lose, for sure. You tried to have camera miss malfunctions this morning.

[James Debo Harrison]

I was looking for my glasses. Huh? That's what I was doing. I was really looking for my glasses. But, yo, right now, we trash. Yeah, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

You are overreacting, Debo. No, I'm not overreacting. I promise you.

[James Debo Harrison]

You are, brother. No, I'm not. Unless you are in the Browns.

[Joe Hayden]

That's that.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's the Browns. You dirty rotten bastards. Then went and gave them. Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

They definitely did that, though.

[James Debo Harrison]

Next time we see y'. All.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe Flacco is a smart man. I love watching him play quarterback now because at least he understands. When he was with the Browns. I mean, I. I don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

You're giving too much what I'm doing too Much what positive energy over here I'm feeling.

[Joe Hayden]

No, bro. This is what I'm saying. You gonna sit here and not give him not. No, not, not, not positive. But did you not watch the game? Did you not see him picking us apart? And even if he, he was throwing those passes, you know what I'm saying, like, he could have been throwing them jumps into the dirt, but he was throwing them right on the money. And Jamar, chasing them was catching them passes. And the offensive coordinator, you said, Cleveland.

[James Debo Harrison]

This why you don't give him Joe Flacco.

[Joe Hayden]

Exactly. I, I, I didn't give him Joe Flacco.

[James Debo Harrison]

These people about to make me lose.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, get mad, Deebo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you, because you gotta be a realist. You saw the game. And you not giving Joe Flacco credit for looking like a beast out there and dropping them dimes to Jamar, Chase and Higgins.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who?

[Joe Hayden]

Who?

[James Debo Harrison]

Who? I'm gonna give who. No, no, he. No, no, no.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not gonna, you're not gonna say Flacco did good.

[James Debo Harrison]

I hate listening. I, I don't hate him.

[Joe Hayden]

You don't hate Joe Flacco?

[James Debo Harrison]

I like Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I know you do.

[James Debo Harrison]

I, I hate the Browns as an organization, okay? Whoever, whoever they, Whoever made that decision, I hope they go down there and beat the brakes off y' all ass with it. I hope you throw for 425, six touchdowns. Hey, I was nothing. But I feel you the best for you, Joe. When you play the Browns, dog walk them. Dog walk them, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, he might mess around.

[James Debo Harrison]

It.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, he might mess around and do it because I don't think that was a smart decision at all. Like, I, I don't, I don't. I agree with you a thousand percent. We should never.

[James Debo Harrison]

And what you get for it? Nothing. You ain't getting nothing for it. You traded a couple. You ain't getting nothing for it.

[Joe Hayden]

Ain't getting Nathaniel. We got Nathaniel, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

Nothing. Y' all about to mess around. I was looking for the Joe that was throwing pics. This Joe. This is not the Joe I was looking for, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

That bro. That Joe.

[James Debo Harrison]

And you put him in there with these receivers, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Those receivers, bro. Are you kidding me? Like, that's what I'm trying to tell you. That's why, man. Yeah, Joe Flacco, he realized something. These dudes are really good on my team. I'm not going to stand back here and look goofy. I want to throw the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

We ain't getting no pressure on him. We ain't, we ain't rerouting nobody. We ain't stopping nobody from just going where they want to go. We ain't getting no hands on nobody. He throwing on. He throwing on time. He's time, dude. He throwing. As soon as a dude cut the.

[Joe Hayden]

Break, bro, like his. Like, right before the break, boom. Throw your hands up. It's right here. Go ahead, Flacco. I respect it. I respect it. Cause it just shows that it wasn't him. I mean, he got some players on the team. He gonna throw it where they need to be. You gotta put them to see if they gotta be where they gotta be. Mm. Joe Flacco, he. And he's not out there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Joe did his thing. Yes, Joe. Joe did his thing. That's for the old guys. Yes. Yo, Joe, go ahead. Yeah, Unc, Bo, all that stuff. Unc went out there and pulled the belt out on our ass. Put belt to ass, as they say.

[Joe Hayden]

As. As they. As the youngins say.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, my goodness, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man. It's all good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, man, let's go over here, man. To. To the north. Listen. Michael Parsons calls out the one side of officiating. Here's. Here's what he had to say. You know, what's so bad, bro? I can't get my mind off of this. Let's listen to what Micah said, man.

[Micah Parsons]

You know, five years, you're not gonna call. You'll eventually start worrying about it, you know, but, you know, I think I just gotta keep going. That's just. That's the hunt. Yeah. Like, that's part of the challenges. Like, you just gotta keep going. And that's bothersome.

[James Debo Harrison]

That.

[Micah Parsons]

That worries them. They know that, like, that's the part of being one of the best. You know, that comes with some territory where the parts that you hate and the parts that the league lets go, like, they know. Like, I mean, you could tell how they call the games. They don't call outsides for offense, but they'll call on defense. They'll. They won't call offensive pass interference, but they'll call defensive pass interference. I mean, like, we know what you're trying to do. They want to load the points up so fans can be happy. And, you know, I mean, they'll call defensive holding, but they won't call off into holding. Like, let's just wake up. Like, it's just one of those things that we know what the higher ups.

[Joe Hayden]

Is trying to do.

[Micah Parsons]

Like, the ref would say, I know that's a hole, but what. Like, you're not going to call it, Like, Come on. Like, it's just one of those things that like, I'm over it and I'm gonna just have to keep going, push through.

[James Debo Harrison]

What do you think, man? You agree, disagree?

[Joe Hayden]

It might sound like he's making excuses, you know what I'm saying? But kind of, you know, I mean, I played in the league too now for a minute and when we first got in. The rules are changing. They do want points. The referees will tell you like they'll definitely let a defensive offensive pass interference go before you like get, if you get a smidget of grabbing somebody's jersey or touching like that, they can call defensive pass interference illegal touching and all that. So I heard plenty of times, like if a deep, if I get pushed off on or, or push wasn't hard.

[James Debo Harrison]

Enough to, to stop you from being able to go where you wanted to go. Yeah, it was. I, you seen it. Well, I don't think it was enough to stop you or impede you from being able to follow him. Oh, that hole wasn't enough. He held on to you. But you know, he let go fast enough. Believe me, I got all that stuff, the block with the arm around the neck. Oh, he wasn't holding you. How's he not holding me but his arm is around my neck. Well, you know, you're short and he's taller than you. Well, yeah, that's part of his advantage and disadvantages that we both have. Like that should be a hole. I 100 understand what he's saying and yes, he's right. The game is getting tailored so that, you know, they want to see points. That's what the fans want to see. You know, they want to see these high scoring games back and forth. I'm, I'm not of that because probably because we're defensive players, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

When you play defense, it's like this. If he's holding me, he's holding me, you know what I'm saying? Like you feel like it's very black and white if they, if they're, if, if I was pulling on him, you're going to call on me. So it's kind of like you, you understand it more. Like when you play defense, we get it. Like, no, that's not okay. But when you asking the refs like you're hearing it like when they saying to you, nah, Debo, he had his arm around you because you were a little shorter. It's like, but he's holding me, you know what I'm saying? Throw the flag. You've seen it. You know what I'm saying, so they do that. It happens all the time. And defensive players, we hear it from the refs, like, man, what? Like, he was grabbing me like this. Nah, but he didn't impede your process. But, like, so they can.

[James Debo Harrison]

Grabbing me. He's impeding my process. Oh, the jersey pull wasn't enough. That's holding. He's pulling the jersey. Like, he shouldn't be holding on to the jersey at all. Like, well, he didn't. He didn't. You know, it wasn't enough to stop you from being able to go. You were able to push through it. Well, if he didn't pull me, maybe I get a little closer to making that tackle or that sack or. Or touching the quarterback to. To, you know, hit. Hit the pass or. Or interfere with his throwing motion, whatever that may be. So I. Yeah, I 100 understand it. But again, he's gonna have to understand it ain't just you. It's the league.

[Joe Hayden]

It's the league. It's the way it is. And even speaking on it, you know what I'm saying? I mean, not having the. As many sacks as he wants right now, you could be feeling some type of way. You just want to get out how you feel. And being serious about this is really legitimately happening. But putting it out in the media is something that everybody kind of. We already know. It's kind of nothing really that they can be able to do about it, but it can definitely get an eye on. So people can see, like, look, you are getting held and they're not calling it, but sometimes defensive players, you know what I'm saying? It is what it is, and it's happening to everybody in the league. It's not just Micah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, that's something.

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[James Debo Harrison]

Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

That you know, we just going to have to. Have to get over it. Your boy Skip, man, he out here tripping. He. He called out. He called out Travis for getting baptized before the Jaguars gang. That, that don't make no sense. Listen, listen, listen to what Travis said and his, his response to it.

[Joe Hayden]

Did you get baptized this morning? Yes.

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Why did you do that?

[Joe Hayden]

It's a crazy question. Why did I get baptized Sunday? It's God's day and I've been planning to get baptized for a minute. You know, I want to change my life over, become a better man.

[James Debo Harrison]

What does it mean to you?

[Joe Hayden]

Means a lot, you know, becoming a better man, leaving my old flesh and just becoming a new traffic.

[James Debo Harrison]

You have a problem with him getting baptized when he got baptized or whatever the situation may be. That kind of threw me off. Like, why'd you get baptized? She said it like she had a problem with it or something.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that kind of, that kind of, you know, it kind of made me feel some type of way like, like calling somebody out because they got baptized. It's like calling somebody out for going to church on Sunday. Like, it don't. It don't. It don't make no sense. Like, are you out of your mind? So you're. You're telling me that the timing is not right for someone to accept their Lord and Savior and that he. He said he was checking himself out. Huh? He's checking himself out. No, no, he's checking himself in. He's checking himself in. Matthew 19:26 says, But Jesus looked at them and said, with man, this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible. He's realizing that this isn't just him, okay? He wants to cleanse himself of his sins leave his old life behind, his old ways of thinking, his old ways of living, and start to follow his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. You telling me the timing ain't right? No, right now is the time.

[Joe Hayden]

You sound like you.

[James Debo Harrison]

That timing ain't right. You sound like the devil. Skip, that sound like something the devil would say because of a football stop. Stick to football, man. Get out of here. Come on.

[Joe Hayden]

I feel you, debo. You are 1000% right. Sunday is the Lord's day at the end of the day. And I'm never. The religion is really big in my family. I know it's really big in your family. I'm a God fearing man and I'm never pushing any religion on anybody. But if somebody's accepting their Lord and Savior and they want to get baptized and do what they got to do, I'm so happy for him because I think he's opening a new chapter, like you said, in his life. And it's going to be nothing but better for him because it's bigger than me. I know that. I know everybody spiritually, however they feel this world is bigger than us. So for him to do that, I appreciate how happy for him. It's not because it had nothing to do with nothing that we worried about. This is a bigger thing. And I like.

[James Debo Harrison]

Did he miss the game? Was he late? No. Did any of that happen?

[Joe Hayden]

He pulled the game in time. Everything was there, was able to make his things. Cause there's 24 hours in a day, nobody is sitting there clocking you. What you were doing this morning before you came to your job. Like Travis Hunter. He has a job to do. He has to be there two hours before the kickoff. I know he. I'm not saying no exactly, but I'm thinking that he made all of his times and all of his places that he had to be. I'm expecting that he was there, you know what I'm saying? And still did what he had to do. So I can't understand where Skip is coming from. I know people just get so wrapped up in football. Football make the main thing. The main thing. Stay singularly focused.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know, are you clout chasing? Like, are you trying to get a headline like, I don't what's going on? That don't even do that just sounds crazy to me. Like that don't make sense. You're checking out because you're checking in with your Lord and savior and saying, yo, you are the Lord of my life. I'm here, I want to follow you. I, I, I want to, I want to listen to your commands. I want to be obedient like Watson. Huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

How do you even bring that out and say that, Skip? You like, like what are you thinking there? I don't understand that one. To call out this man accepting this Lord and savior as him checking out.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, they got, he got it, he got it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Sound like this sound like. Only person that would say you was checking out if you was doing that would be the devil and you was checking out of hell.

[Joe Hayden]

She ain't lying, Debo. I don't know how he came up with that one.

[James Debo Harrison]

Brother.

[Joe Hayden]

That's not a good spot for us. I don't think Skip, I think he kind of just, yeah, he spoke out of turn. That's not, I don't, that, that's not what it is. And then checking out when he's getting baptized, I mean, it's just not, not, not the right, not the right, not the right words, not the right verbiage.

[James Debo Harrison]

Skip, Skip must not do nothing before he go to work. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know.

[James Debo Harrison]

Maybe, maybe, who knows? I don't know. So I guess New York was involved with the Jared Goff touchdown. So what happened on that one?

[Joe Hayden]

I think this was they talking about New York called down, brother and was able to like get in touch with the refs and told them that make it not a touchdown.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because of the pre snap.

[Joe Hayden]

Because of the pre snap. Because he said you can't go line up under the center or behind the center and then you got to step back and then go in motion. So they said the play wasn't the right play. So that's how it went down. And they're saying now that that's not. The league isn't supposed to be able to get in touch with the refs.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what I was thinking.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

They said the, depending on how the.

[Joe Hayden]

Play, the integrity of the game, all of that stuff, the NFL, the league isn't supposed to be able to get in touch with the refs and tell them to switch this call or make this call, whatever it was. So I think they saying that because they could, if they can call in and make a call, then they could call in and you know what I'm saying? Switch, switch a little, kind of do whatever they want.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that's a little too much. If you're going to do that, then you've got to allow it for any and every situation. Then all these touch pushes a review you seen a review that he was off. He went before the ball. Shouldn't New York call down and say, hey, quick, though? Yes. Don't allow that. Don't. Same thing with, you know, with other plays. At what point, you know, do they say, oh, well, maybe the league is fixed? As he's saying, you know, the league's fixed. You know, they doing what's necessary to keep the point spread, whatever it is. And, you know, you involve gambling, and, like they said, it. It gets. It gets tricky when you get people overstepping the boundaries of what the rules of the game says.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

So I don't. Yeah, I don't. Maybe we could have got some. It wouldn't even helped us yesterday, bro. No, it didn't matter what they did.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

We couldn't.

[Joe Hayden]

That was. That was it. That was a solid. They did.

[James Debo Harrison]

They.

[Joe Hayden]

Nothing, nothing. Nothing Foggy. Nothing illegal. They just went down there and did exactly what they had to do in between the whistles.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, we almost gave up 500 yards, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

Jamar Chase and T. Higgins had combined for 24 catches for 257 yards and two touchdowns.

[James Debo Harrison]

Two players, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Two dudes, brother. That was crazy. Y' all gotta put eyes on that, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't at. Something gotta change, bro. I don't. Yo, I am so lost.

[Joe Hayden]

It was looking great. Wicked.

[James Debo Harrison]

How, How, how, dude, how much? How. How much. How much paper we got over there on defense, bro? Like, how much did we spend on that, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Like, 170 some mil?

[James Debo Harrison]

28. 28. 26? 28. What is we? What is it we now? Or is it just you or us? Me? What is it, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

We.

[James Debo Harrison]

We.

[Joe Hayden]

We, I said. But you talking about the Steelers defense, right? Yeah, I said 100, and it's like 179 million.

[James Debo Harrison]

You ain't feeling what I'm feeling. You. You. You was more upset when the Browns lost this one.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm trying to tell you, Deebo, I.

[James Debo Harrison]

Don'T feel the equal upsetness. You're not matching my energy because.

[Joe Hayden]

Because I know what it is. I know what it is. No, I'm both. I'm both. I'm a Steelers fan, too, but I just know we got a rod. We got a rod defense. It's still Jalen Ramsey there. It's still Slay, it's still Hayward, it's still Queen, but we just gotta go to the tape. We just gotta watch the tape. We can't keep letting this happen. I know we have the talent to make it happen. So that's why I'm not as we.

[James Debo Harrison]

Done watched the tape the last six weeks and it really ain't much.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, I know, I know. But I think now Coach, we just. We can't. Yeah. We're gonna have to just come up with a better game plan than that.

[James Debo Harrison]

And no.

[Joe Hayden]

And we have to win our own individual one on ones.

[James Debo Harrison]

We just gotta win. Win. Yes. Yes. Listen, do your job.

[Joe Hayden]

Do your job.

[James Debo Harrison]

Your job is done first.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all that I'm telling your partner your 1 11th. Don't. That's the thing. People don't even need to worry about their partner yet because they're not doing their job. Like if everybody was just doing their job on their man and you know what I'm saying Then. Then will be. The defense will be so much better.

[James Debo Harrison]

No Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

So they stop running scot free, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm lightweight shaking bro. I'm Listen.

[Joe Hayden]

All right look Debo, I don't know. We got. So you want me to get to. You want me to give you some super chats?

[James Debo Harrison]

Do some super chats, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Let me do some super chats for you.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

I got some super chat questions. This is from Grayson Brown 9778 he donated said why are RO AFC north teams 2 and 18 in divisional Thursday night football. 0 and 10 in the last 10 games.

[James Debo Harrison]

Close your mouth asking the question. We don't want to hear what you saying.

[Joe Hayden]

Pitt is 07 Thursday Night Football feels rigged. Well that wasn't a question. It was more of a statement.

[James Debo Harrison]

You think we letting them rig it so we can lose? Are you a goofball?

[Joe Hayden]

No. B.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who asked that question?

[Joe Hayden]

That's Grayson Brown, brother.

[James Debo Harrison]

Y' all about to make me lose my religion, bro. I'm gonna say something that ain't got.

[Joe Hayden]

And then we got another one too. Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

They.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he going hard.

[James Debo Harrison]

Goofball.

[Joe Hayden]

Champ. Champ Jr. Champ Jr says no excuses. They had a short week too.

[James Debo Harrison]

They had a short. You right.

[Joe Hayden]

He did but.

[James Debo Harrison]

You right. We play like trash. Trash. We play like trash. That's what it was. Trash.

[Joe Hayden]

The defense didn't stand man the difference didn't do it.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm just trying to grasp to something to give me some hope. And every time I try to grasp something to give me some hope I know good damn well it's an excuse because just as he said we all played on Thursday. We all had a short week. All that Thursday nights away games bull Fraggle Rock. We played like trash.

[Joe Hayden]

We.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

That one slipped, man. That was slipped. And they did and The Bengals did do good that. That pick Buddy had. They played. They made plays. They did make plays. All right, another one for you, Debo, Sully, Griffin, great show today. Do you stick with Flacco for the rest of the season if you're Cincinnati, or save Burrow for next season?

[James Debo Harrison]

I'll go with Flacco until Burrow gets 100% healthy, and then I'm throwing Burrow back in there. Yeah, I need Flacco to go in. We need to. We played him again, bruh. Still. Listen, don't let this man do this to y' all again. Us? Cause Joe ain't with us.

[Joe Hayden]

This I am definitely with you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Out. Bro, don't put on your elf costume with the. With the little feet. The Browns elf. Go get where your dog at. You ain't even got a dog. I don't even know why I even said that, but I don't know. It don't matter.

[Joe Hayden]

I got a whole Stiller's helmet here, too.

[James Debo Harrison]

You probably go get a dog right now.

[Joe Hayden]

I gotta see that, man. I'm rapping. All right, who else we got?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, what you got? What else you got, bro? I wanna.

[Joe Hayden]

What my man say? We got Alexander Gallon. No more Steelers. They play 10 defense. What's.

[James Debo Harrison]

The.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know what that means. No more Steelers, they play 10 defense. I don't know. All right, next one. Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

He's saying we play with 10 men on the field. It damn sure seemed like it.

[Joe Hayden]

Damn.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's.

[Joe Hayden]

Damn.

[James Debo Harrison]

What are you saying? Go ahead, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Next one. Okay, Lynch, Lisa donated $20. Love you, too. God bless you and family. Amen. God bless you, too. Yes, thank you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a sweetheart right there. But I think my man, he must have said some. Stillers they play with. They see stillers play with 10 on defense. That's crazy work.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude. I don't. Hey, I don't. I don't know. No, it would have been worse than that if. I guess if it was 10, but.

[Joe Hayden]

It would have been.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, we gotta get that.

[Reshawn McDonald]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, it's run and pass, Deebo. Cause the man Chase Brown was toting and then the receivers was catching it and everybody was kind of open besides them.

[James Debo Harrison]

First two series, the worst team rushing the ball just bopped us.

[Joe Hayden]

They did. They did.

[James Debo Harrison]

They bopped us.

[Joe Hayden]

They did. Deebot, I'm. I'm pissed about six a toe. I'm pissed about.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, almost ten a toe. What are we doing?

[Joe Hayden]

Getting toted on you?

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, you think this shit funny?

[Joe Hayden]

No, it's not funny.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's not? No, it's not.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not funny.

[James Debo Harrison]

This is embarrassing, man.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not funny.

[James Debo Harrison]

Game tonight, right? And I gotta sit there and try and not. I'. Ma. I'm gonna bop my son if. And they listen. Somebody gotta get it. Somebody gotta get it. Somebody gotta get it tonight, today.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, he said he played somebody. He said they meant. He meant, like, 10 foil.

[James Debo Harrison]

Tin foil.

[Joe Hayden]

That what he said.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, okay. It's the same thing. We folded. What's the difference? I don't. It's the. Hey, listen, I' ma try and calm down. I really am. So this is what we go do?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, it's something running through my body. Like, it's. It's. It's. It comes and goes. It's like. Just want to just rage.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hold up.

[Joe Hayden]

What we got, Devo?

[James Debo Harrison]

We trash, bro. We trash. Listen, bro, y' all want me to come back? I. I ain't got nothing left. I ain't gonna lie to you. But I don't. I. I can't do no worse.

[Joe Hayden]

I know you going. I know you gonna throw your body in there full speed. That you gonna do. You're gonna hit somebody.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't. I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't. I know one thing. I can't help. I'm not trying to.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, son, I'm talking to my son. He ain't even watching this. But, boy, if y' all let anybody get 10 total on y', all, do what they trash, too, bruh. I know they got Joe Flacco. Okay, I understand that. I understand it. But that's one person the offensive line couldn't block, couldn't do nothing, but they came out there and dog walked us, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, Joe Flacco was throwing that thing on time, but that's what happened when.

[James Debo Harrison]

28 go against 32. Because we down there with the trash, too. We gotta get out of the dumpster.

[Joe Hayden]

We got to, bro. Too many yards. Too many yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, guys. We want to thank you guys for joining us here on this episode of Debo and Joe. Make sure you guys hit the, like button and subscribe. We'll be back at this on Monday, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. Make sure you guys like and subscribe. I'm sorry y' all saw upset Debo today. You know, he's a little upset, but make sure you guys like and subscribe. Come back on Monday, and we could talk about what happened with the rest of the teams that didn't do as good as they thought they was going to do.

[James Debo Harrison]

And we out.

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