Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Dillon Gabriel's Browns debut, Patriots UPSET Bills, Ravens BLOWN OUT

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – NFL Reactions & Rants (October 6, 2025)

Overview

In this episode, NFL veterans James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden break down a packed weekend of football, featuring analysis, strong opinions, and their trademark playful banter. The episode centers around reactions to Dillon Gabriel's debut as the Browns' quarterback, the Patriots upsetting the Bills, the Ravens' blowout loss to the Texans, and a series of other key games and storylines.

The discussion is raw and often hilarious, with both hosts combining humor and deep football knowledge. Joe brings visible frustration over the Browns, while Deebo keeps the mood light and honest, always ready with a zinger and hard truths. The hosts also tackle issues of organizational leadership, player-coach dynamics, and what’s going wrong with some underperforming teams.

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Key Topics and Insights

1. Browns vs. Vikings: Dillon Gabriel’s Debut

Timestamps: 01:43 – 15:45

• Gabriel’s Performance: Joe describes the rookie QB’s first start as “solid” – he avoided turnovers and threw two TDs, but mostly “dink and dunk” passes. Most completions were to running backs or tight ends, and his deep throws were inconsistent.

  • Quote [07:39]:
    “15 of [Gabriel’s completions] were to running backs or tight ends, not knocking them. There’s a lot of dink and dunks…anything over 10 yards was a lot of air mail.” — Joe

• Defensive Shortcomings:
  The Browns’ defense couldn’t hold the lead late in the game, particularly in the fourth quarter. Joe lays blame on both offense (failure to sustain drives) and defense (giving up a crucial 80-yard drive, busted coverage).

  • Quote [05:25]:
    “We have to keep everybody in front of us. We have to make that play [on defense]…But we had four possessions in the fourth quarter, and only one first down. How you gonna win the game with one first down?” — Joe

• Organizational Frustration:
  Joe vents about the effects of the Deshaun Watson trade: missing draft picks, $230 million “not on the field,” and lack of offense weapons.

  • Quote [09:43]:
    “Ever since we traded for Deshaun Watson…the $230 million that's not on the field…that’s why we don’t have receivers right now.”

• Historic Browns Woes:
  Deebo points out, “Browns quarterbacks are 0-17 in their first start since like 1997.” [10:26]

2. The State of the Browns Organization

Timestamps: 13:32 – 16:49

• Joe’s Frustration:
  Joe explains the difference between the Steelers’ stability and Browns’ constant upheaval: “With the Steelers…organizationally, they’re structured…with the Browns, it’s just so much turnover.”

  • Quote [13:32]:
    “I feel bad for the fans…they’re so supportive of the team when they’re sh*t.”

• Baker Mayfield Regret:
  Both hosts lament letting Mayfield go, particularly given his recent 379-yard game.

  • Quote [15:36]:
    “Baker Mayfield’s balling…why didn't we just keep Baker for the hundred [million]?...We gave Desean 230 and six f*cking draft picks!” — Joe

3. Ravens’ Blowout Loss to Texans: Defensive Collapse

Timestamps: 17:09 – 23:23

• Houston Dominates Baltimore:
  The Texans, led by CJ Stroud (23/27, 244 yds, 4 TDs), expose Ravens’ defense for missed tackles and poor execution.

  • Quote [19:30]:
    “Ravens’ defense, dude, can’t put out a match with a fire hose…can’t bust a grape in a fruit fight.”

• Absence of Lamar Jackson Magnifies Flaws:
  Deebo and Joe discuss how the offense is built around Jackson, making the backup ineffective and the team predictable.

  • Quote [20:24]:
    “When your whole offense is built around a dynamic player like Lamar…and your backup can do none, this is what you run into.” — Deebo

• Ravens Historic Low:
  Deebo notes, “They gave up 44 points, the most ever in a home game in John Harbaugh’s 18 years.” [21:35]

4. Eagles’ Meltdown vs Broncos: Play Calling Under Fire

Timestamps: 24:14 – 29:20

• Curious Abandonment of the Run:
  Deebo wonders why Saquon Barkley only got six carries (30 yards), despite averaging five yards per touch.

  • Quote [27:45]:
    “Six carries, 30 yards. You telling me five yards a pop ain’t good enough?” — Deebo

• Locker Room Dissatisfaction:
  Discussion of Eagles WRs (A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith) calling out Jalen Hurts for overthrowing passes and the overall offensive identity crisis.

5. Bengals, Lions, and AFC North Rundown

Timestamps: 29:24 – 36:57

• Bengals’ Offensive Woes:
  Jake Browning's error-prone play (three picks), defensive improvement, and the effect of Joe Burrow’s absence.

  • Quote [35:39]:
    “The Bengals have been outscored the last three games, 113 to 37. That’s disrespectful.” — Deebo

• Selfish AFC North Outlook:
  Deebo jokes that with every AFC North team losing, “we won.” [29:34]

• Lions Running Backs Setting Records:
  The Lions’ RBs set a new mark—each scoring in the same game 14 times—a record for a running back duo [34:45].

6. Patriots Upset the Bills: May’s Emergence & Buffalo’s Implosion

Timestamps: 37:09 – 43:54

• Turnovers and Patriots Defense:
  Buffalo’s 26-game streak without losing the turnover battle is snapped as they commit four turnovers. Patriots rookie QB May (22/30, 273 yds) and Stefon Diggs (10/146 vs. former team) shine.

  • Quote [38:39]:
    “10 for 146 on his old team…came back with, I got something for y’all.” — Joe

• Player Maturity & Second Chances:
  Deebo discusses the growth of Stefon Diggs, relating it to Pickens’ need to mature, and how being traded can prompt self-reflection.

7. Cowboys Victory; Jerry Jones’ On-Field Antics

Timestamps: 45:06 – 51:43

• Dak Prescott MVP Chants:
  Both downplay early MVP talk; Joe says, “it’s bigger than the regular season, what are you going to do in the playoffs?”

  • Quote [46:49]:
    “All this regular season is SW looks good…but can we get a playoff win?” — Joe

• Jerry Jones Flips Off Fans:
  Deebo questions if NFL discipline is consistent; will the owner get fined like players do?

  • Quote [47:33]:
    “Players get fined for that…what you gonna do, Roger? Are you gonna fine Jerry?”

8. Viral Moment: Cardinals Coach Jonathan Gannon Hits Player

Timestamps: 54:44 – 61:19

• Sideline Incident Critique:
  Both hosts are shocked and appalled by Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon aggressively striking a player on the sideline after a mistake (“bombs him in his chest, then hooks him on the way out”).

  • Quote [57:07, Deebo]:
    “You can get in my face, you can do all that okay? You can’t put your motherf*ckin hands on me, bitch.”
  • Joe’s take: “After the first bomb, I’m pushing him off…What’s wrong with you?”

• Respect and Player Reactions:
  They question why no teammates intervened and stress protecting player dignity—“You ain’t do nothing to that coach, so I know you ain’t gonna do nothing to me.” [58:28]

• Personal Stories:
  Both hosts share their reactions to similar disrespect from coaches, drawing a hard line on physical contact.

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Notable Quotes & Banter

• “The Browns defense, we needed to hold there…we had to do better…You only had one first down in the fourth quarter. How are you going to win the game?” — Joe Haden [05:25]
• “With the Steelers…I felt like everybody was in the joint. Browns? It’s just so much turnover…it’s like, how we gonna mess this one up?” — Joe Haden [13:32, 14:47]
• “Six carries, 30 yards. You telling me five yards a pop ain’t good enough.” — Deebo [27:45]
• “The Bengals have been outscored 113 to 37 the last three games. That’s disrespectful.” — Deebo [35:39]
• “Players get fined for that…what you gonna do, Roger?” — Deebo, on Jerry Jones flipping off fans [47:33]
• “After the first bomb, I’m pushing them off…Now you lost your mind, like what’s up?” — Joe [61:05]

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Memorable Moments

• Deebo calling out Joe for “double-talking” on Gabriel’s debut, needling his co-host for inconsistent praise [11:34].
• Joe’s passionate rant about Browns fans deserving better, and the difference in stability between the Browns and Steelers [13:32].
• The heated, hilarious debate about player-coach physical altercations, with both hosts emphatic—nobody puts hands on grown men [57:07 – 61:19].

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction/Recap: 00:00 – 01:43
• Browns vs. Vikings (Gabriel’s debut): 01:43 – 15:45
• Browns Organization & Mayfield: 13:32 – 16:49
• Ravens’ Blowout Loss: 17:09 – 23:23
• Eagles’ Play Calling Issues: 24:14 – 29:20
• AFC North Roundup: 29:24 – 36:57
• Patriots Upset Bills/May & Diggs: 37:09 – 43:54
• Cowboys, Jerry Jones, NFL Discipline: 45:06 – 51:43
• Cardinals Coach Striking Player: 54:44 – 61:19
• Show Close/Looking Ahead: 64:12 – End

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Tone & Final Thoughts

The episode is frank, sometimes profane, and deeply rooted in real NFL locker room culture. Deebo pushes Joe on his Browns loyalty, while Joe’s emotional investment comes through in both frustration and humor. Both hosts offer genuine concern for players’ treatment and organizational competence, and they never shy from hard truths.

Fans get in-depth, unfiltered insights into both tactical football problems and locker-room realities—plus a lot of laughs and quotable moments. If you’re ready for real talk, this Deebo & Joe episode delivers.

Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Lying Ass Joe Hayden.

[B]

Joe, what up, Debo?

[A]

You done lied to me, Joe. You done lied to me. Listen, you told the people. You know, matter of fact, show him what he told the people. Can you show them what he told the people?

[B]

What'd I tell him? What I tell him? I told him he was gonna win the playback.

[A]

What they told the people. Just.

[B]

Are you gonna play back? Can y' all play back what Joe told the people?

[A]

Can you please do that?

[B]

Come on. I don't wanna see it. Mm, it might. How?

[A]

You ain't got it ready? Listen.

[B]

Joe, I know what I said. I know what I said. I said we was gonna win the game. That's what I said. Yeah.

[A]

So, Joe, how. How was it over there in London?

[B]

That was miserable.

[A]

Hey, what happened? Cause, you know, it was early in the morning, you know, and I don't really pay much attention because we're sitting somewhere up here in the north. But go ahead. I mean, tell me. I mean, you can give me, you know, tell me what happened. I mean, because I heard what I.

[B]

Heard, you know, so. No, no, Let me just give you a little rundown on what went down.

[A]

All right?

[B]

First half is the tale of two halves. Dylan Gabriel's first start, not. He. He was good. He was solid. He threw a couple Aaron throws. He did not turn over the ball.

[A]

Hey, Joe.

[B]

Hey, Joe.

[A]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I mean, I thought the defense ball like. I believe Cleveland had a fumble recovery in the first quarter, right?

[B]

We had two.

[A]

Two and two. We won't. I think. I think. I think he had a running back that stroked out for like 32. Soon as they got it back, and they ended up scoring a touchdown. Does that sound. That sound right?

[B]

That sounds exactly right, Deebo.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

And then also, we had some. We had my man Judkins, our running back, balled out. He ran for 110 yards.

[A]

He cut. Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. But then after y' all did that, I heard Minnesota Wentz kind of just went down the thing and just, you know, he scored a touchdown. It was. And then they just tied it up after y' all did that. Does that. That sound about right? That's what. That's what I'm. That's what the world is saying right now. I'm hearing a lot of this. Oh, y' all scored another touchdown right After. Oh, nope. Looks like a holding penalty. Yep. Look like that got called back.

[B]

Called back. We had two holding penalties on that play, so we ended up getting no points there. Okay. So we gotta be a little more disciplined, but let's get to. So long story short, Deebo, fuck off. Long story short, we score. We get the halftime. 10, 7. We're up.

[A]

You're up.

[B]

We're up. Our first time going into a half.

[A]

Oh, yes, that bonted defense. Go hold that. I know that for sure.

[B]

That's the first time us going into a half with the. We haven't been up in the damn halftime for any game this season, so we're good.

[A]

Oh, so something happened after halftime. I think Wentz might have came alive again. Did he? Did he come alive again? Drive down.

[B]

Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson and Wentz started hooping on us in the second half. They were balling. Jetta was catching passes all over the place, was finding holes in our defense. He was actually. Sometimes, though, man to man, he was making great plays on Greg Newsom, on Denzel Ward. It was man to man coverage where he was making the good catches. So you want stop rolling your damn eyes, huh?

[A]

I got something in my eye. My bad, brother.

[B]

This is my part too. So let's go. No, the fourth quarter, we had four possessions, brother. In the fourth quarter, four possessions, one first down. How do you keep giving. Putting the defense back in the position. Back in the position. Back in the position, like.

[A]

But they telling me that Cleveland went out there, though, and ran the ball down they throat. Lightweight. And went up.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

16, 14, though.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

And then they also got another fumble. That's the other fumble, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So you got the ball again. What you do with it? What you do?

[B]

Nothing.

[A]

Nothing.

[B]

Oh, nothing.

[A]

And I heard. Trying to. Was trying to help y' all out too, by like missing a field goal after that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's all right.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I didn't watch it. I'm just hearing things like, it's coming to me. They're giving it to me. They bring. I don't know what it is. You know, how sometimes. Anyway, go ahead.

[B]

All of this is correct, Debo. Okay, so, you know, matter of fact, no, you. Since you. Since you're getting all this hearing. So what else did you hear? What else did you hear go down?

[A]

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't hear much of anything else. I heard like, the fourth quarter, like, maybe y' all should have did something different there. But again, I mean, Wentz Came alive. You telling me he drove down there again? He drove down there again and got another touchdown.

[B]

This. That. That was.

[A]

The defense didn't hold. They vaulted number one. Brown defense didn't hold. What?

[B]

How many? This one. This is what I'm trying to say. This is what I'm trying to say. The Browns defense, we needed to hold there. There's no reason why we give up 80 yards. We need to stop them, at least give a field goal so we can go to overtime. My man, Denzel, we had to cover two, soft two. He let the receiver, Addison, get an outside release on him and he hit a holeshot for the touchdown. We cannot have that. We have to keep everybody in front of us. We have to make that play. But my thing is this, obviously, defense, we had to do better. We cannot let them drive down and score the touchdown. But we had four possessions in the fourth quarter. But we only had one first down. We got to be able to keep drives alive, keep the defense off the field. They keep on balling. They were out there doing what they had to do, but they didn't make the plays at the end of the game for us to win. So the defense did let us down at that part. But the offense needs to stay on the field a little longer. And in the fourth quarter, you only had one first down. How are you going to win the game with one first down in the fourth quarter?

[A]

The devonted Browns defense.

[B]

I understand that.

[A]

I'm just saying. Just hold up one time. But I. Listen, it can't be that bad. Yeah. The rookie quarterback starting, I hear he did pretty well. He did what was necessary. And here, the guy didn't have any turnovers. He actually had a couple touchdowns. Like what, Joe? Tell me. Tell me what?

[B]

What happened?

[A]

What do you.

[B]

All of his passes. Look, I'm not. His stat line is great, but he's a rookie now.

[A]

He's a rookie.

[B]

He just threw the ball.

[A]

He was doing the same thing. A man that y' all had there as the starter was doing without turning the ball over. So, I mean, you can't. You can't knock.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That might be the offensive coordinator. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. Go ahead, Go ahead. I'm just talking. I'm not letting you talk. Go ahead, Joe. Sorry. You're on mute, buddy. You just like to mime a lot. You don't want people hearing what you're saying. You don't want the people hearing what you're saying. Cause you muted. I understand. All right, all right, all right.

[B]

This is what I'm telling you. Dalen Gabriel, he completed 19 of 33 passes, but 15 of them were to running backs or tight ends, not knocking them. There's a lot of dink and dunks. Anything that he threw past 10 yards was a lot of air mail. Was a lot of stuff just going, not just errant passes. So I'm not going to say my man did bad. He threw two touchdowns. He did not turn over the ball.

[A]

I mean, he did the same thing, maybe a little better than what, you know, they did against Green Bay. It's just that, you know, the defense was.

[B]

We want our defense to not give up any points. We haven't scored over 17 points this entire season. So we gotta still be able to get some offense going. Defense that you putting it on them every single time is not like they got to make plays.

[A]

They were actually running the ball on Minnesota's front line. Dude, like, what are we talking about, bro? The Browns defense got a hold. Gabriel did pretty well in his first start, I would say, brother, you.

[B]

He did. He did. He did solid. He's going to be able to.

[A]

He did good enough to win. Don't you think?

[B]

If the defense. He did play good enough to win. He did. He did. He did. He did. But at the same time, two things could be right. He played good enough to win, but he damn sure could have did better. We could have converted a couple of those third downs to keep the ball out of their hands. And I think it could be some play calling. It could be. There definitely could be some play calling. And at the same time, too. Let me just go to what I think the real thing is. What do you think we don't really have. I think ever since this is going to go back to our organization, we. Ever since we traded for Deshaun Watson, the draft picks that we gave him up, the six draft picks, the $230 million that's not on the field. Like when you like, oh, why don't we have another extra wide receiver? Because we gave up six draft picks and that's why it's not there. So we're still trying to. The defense is fighting, but at the same time, we don't have 230 million and six picks on the team and that's going to set you back. So when we look at like the defense is balling and fighting, we. We need to have better players on the offensive side of the ball. Like, we don't have receivers right now. Jerry Jeudy is doing pretty good, but that's I don't think that's going to shake. So I think it's more of an organizational thing. I think Dylan Gabriel did do good. He's not. It wasn't his fault that we lost. He played well enough to win. The defense, if we want to be elite and you want to be the defense that we think we are, we got to make those stops, we got to make those plays. But having them always being dependent on the defense is like, that's just tough. And I know it's tough, but if you're going to be on the Browns, I know that's where they're sitting and they know that that's what's going to take for us to win. They got, they can't give up nothing.

[A]

I mean, y' all stuck to what the Browns do. It's okay, man. You gotta think about it, dude. With that one, with that loss right there, Browns Quarterbacks are 0 and 17 and they first start since like 97. I mean, it's okay. Like the longest streak since then was like 1950, you know, something like that. Where they had to. I don't know. You know, that's just. I think it's the. Listen, do you.

[B]

Like.

[A]

The new quarterback that they got? Do you like him better than Joe and do you think you may be able to get better from that dude at the three position? I don't want him starting no trouble.

[B]

I don't, you know, trouble yet. This is what I'm gonna say. I'm not. Dylan Gabriel did not play bad enough that like. No, he's going to be able to play a couple more weeks. We gonna give him some. We're gonna give him his time. They drafted him third round for a reason, so that's gonna be the third. He's the second string quarterback now. He's in the game. So he didn't play himself out of the starting position and any means necessary. He didn't turn the ball over. He threw two touchdowns.

[A]

But you said, you kept saying he ain't do enough. You double talking me, Joe?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, I'm not.

[A]

But said he could have did more.

[B]

You could have did more, but he didn't pull himself out of his damn starting job.

[A]

That he ain't do more.

[B]

He didn't play himself out of the starting position, but he could have did fucking better. That two things could be said at the same time, you know what I'm saying? 19 for 33, 190 yards, two touchdowns, zero picks not to run away with. You know what I'm saying solid. I'm not mad at him, but I'm not like this. Oh, hell yeah. That's what I'm talking about. No, you know what I'm saying? He can do better. Go back into the tape room. Some of those Damn passes over 10 yards that you threw, all them damn incompletions, hit one of them. Hit one of them seven routes, Hit one of them fades. There was no fades. There was no post. Only time was when we had that last, when we had 22 damn seconds. He threw a deep dig. Fucking 20 yard ball right in the money. Where the fuck was that? Earlier in the game? And then the next one he had on the override when he couldn't get out of bounds to try to kick the field goal. That was the next farthest pass he damn through. I'm like, where was the this the whole damn game? You got 25 seconds and you finally threw two passes over 10 yards. Completions look good. Where the fuck was that? That's what I'm talking about. So he didn't play himself out of a job. He did solid. But I'm like, Joe, complete some of them D passes and we could be, you know what I'm saying, making something shake.

[A]

I understand, Joe, but for someone that.

[B]

Is.

[A]

Have two teams, you seem pretty upset. I haven't heard you be this upset about a loss. You Steelers lost when I didn't hear this kind of out of you. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

You know why, you know why do you know.

[A]

You. Did you mute yourself again? Did. Did you mute yourself again?

[B]

Why the. Why do I keep moving myself? I'm. Because I'm getting so upset.

[A]

Don't touch the mic, baby. Don't touch the mic.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Debo, listen. It's organizational, which is what pisses me off. When I went over to Pittsburgh. I don't care. I just like the way that they ran their business. I just liked the way that they did it. I felt like everybody was in the joint. You knew what it was. You have, you have. Coach Tomlin was the coach. You've had three different coaches in the last 50 years. The Browns, it's just so much turnaround. It's just so much turnover. And the players, they can't get. You don't know when you keep having a new leader every single year, a new voice, a new this, a new that. There's no real. There's no real leadership. And for, for me, I feel bad for the fans because I'm out here in London with 290 fans staying at the same hotel. We're having a good old time. And they just always. They're. They're so supportive of the team when they're shit. And that's why I feel bad for them, you know what I'm saying? With the Steelers, I already know they gonna figure it out. Y' all don't go under 800. Y' all gonna figure some shit out. Something gonna happen, like, so if you lose a game, we could talk about it. And I don't really get as mad because Coach T's there. They're going to figure some shit out. The defense is solid. We got the players, we got people in. Organizationally, they're structured, they're strong, and they're going to be good. You know what it's going to be?

[A]

I don't know. This right here, smile off my face, Joe. I just.

[B]

Why the fuck do we keep finding a way to lose? That's the part that pisses me off. It's like, we were up, and then everybody in there, we just sitting there looking like this. How. How we going to fuck this one up? How are we gonna mess this one up? That's what y' all get. Yeah.

[A]

Like, hey, I know we up, but, you know, y' all know we.

[B]

I know we up, but how we gonna get down?

[A]

How we gonna get down?

[B]

God, that's not. That's not good.

[A]

That's not a good feeling out my ear. Oh, man.

[B]

So that's why I get so passionate, man. Cause I feel for the fan base. I feel that they deserve better than what's going on sometimes out on the field. And I don't think that it's the. It's. We could have so many. Like, all right. We would have kept Baker Mayfield signing for 100 million.

[A]

Baker Mayfield doing some things, baby.

[B]

Baker Mayfield's balling. Speaking of it, Baker Mayfield just threw for 379 yards. You know what I'm saying? That's the type of offense I like to see. That's a good. He threw. My man Dylan threw for 190.

[A]

And then.

[B]

And Baker threw for 374. Okay.

[A]

You got a big disparity in experience there, too. Now, listen.

[B]

Hey, this is what I'm trying to tell you, too. This is what I'm trying to say, too. Why didn't we just keep Baker for the hundred? We had another 100. We gave Desean 230. We had another 130 million with six fucking draft picks that we could have used, and they would have been on the team. Right now, Baker Mayfield beat Pittsburgh, beat us in the playoffs. Did that not happen? And then we got rid of him, and then we got DeShawn for 230 that we haven't seen. We haven't been able to see him play. And then we got for.

[A]

See all the injuries. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, you can't.

[B]

Man, listen, I understand, man. I hear you, brother.

[A]

But listen, man, it's okay. Listen.

[B]

I don't think the Steelers wouldn't. The Steelers wouldn't have traded for Desean and gave him 230, all guaranteed.

[A]

This is true.

[B]

This is true, and that's what I'm saying. There's nothing you can't. You can control what you can control. All you're gonna do is be in the locker room, have your teammates in there, and you walk in, you're gonna do what you can do, but you don't control who's your teammates and who brings them in and who signed and who stays. That's not out of. That's out of your control. All you control is who the fuck is in there with you and what y' all gonna do. So I just think that they gotta do a better job with that top. Let's bring. Bring in some good guys, and we'll be solid.

[A]

Yeah, it's okay, man. Listen, the Ravens got the shit stomped out them, too, man. I mean, you go. I mean, it was close in the first quarter. I think it was. You know, it was three to. Three to seven.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And from there, you know, Houston just took the game over. Stroud ended up, what, 23 at 27 for 244. Four tugs they rushed for 167. Dude, the first half, they went five or six on third downs, dude, the Ravens defense, dude, can't put out a match with a fire hose. Dude, they missing tackles still. Dude, they can't bust a grape in a fruit fight. Like, it's. It's looking bad. It was so bad. The announcer for cbs, Ian Eagle, dude, he. He sounded like he had pity on them. I had no pity for them, man. It ain't no fun when the Rabbit got the gun, man. And the Rabbit got the gun right now on the ra. The Rabbit got the gun right now on the Ravens. He's not considering any, you know, any changes to any of the staff, you know, none of that.

[B]

Why you.

[A]

Do you think something should be done? He should change something? Like what's going on? What do you think? Where's the Ravens? Answers.

[B]

Man, it looked bad. Debo it looked like they didn't have any answers. They weren't trying to make any tackles. They weren't miscommunications like CJ Strout, it looked like he was throwing routes on air. Everything just completions. Boom, boom. Walking it down the field on him. Nick Chubb was toting it like vintage Nick Chubb. Like, I just don't. When the dude like you said he felt bad for him because he's like this. I mean it just doesn't look like the Ravens like these dudes, like, like this is not the defense that I'm used to seeing because he was walking through there like every time. Like when CJ Strout, the drive after drive after drive, it was touchdown, the touchdown after touchdown. And they quarterback for the Ravens too. Like, I mean he looks out there lost. He looks like he doesn't know left from right. So that's not helping out the situation either. So you got an offense that don't look like they know what's going on because Lamar's not in there. And then the running game wasn't getting too active.

[A]

So here's my thinking on this, all right? Lamar is the answer and the problem for them because he is such a great player. Now when you have a player like that, that is that great and you build the whole office around his talent, the player that backs him up has to have some sort of skill level or skills to operate in the same manner in which he does. And when you don't have that and your whole offense is built around a dynamic player like Lamar Jackson being able to do the things he does and your backup can do none, this is what you run into offensively with not being able to get anything on the board.

[B]

No, exactly. I think when you have a player at his ability level, like you said, it just, it can disguise a lot of other things. And then when you have that quarterback that's coming in and he's a stand up, complete opposite pocket passer than Lamar Jackson, what, what is he, he can't do that. He can't be able to extend any plays. He can't be able to make anything happen. So he's got to be in that thing, either handing the ball off to Derrick Henry or standing back making a five step drop and hitting it and throwing it on time. And that's not the Ravens offense. So I completely understand what you're saying. They're going to have to either try to cater something to him, but I'm not switching up my office for Buddy because you just got to go get a. You got to go get a mobile back.

[A]

You have to, right? You have to get someone that is Lamar like and can do the things that's necessary to do that because he's a quarterback that you're not worried about him running the ball. So when Derrick Henry is back there and they hand the ball off, we're not worried about what the quarterback is going to do, if he's going to pull it or anything else. So now what do we do? We key in on Henry head first, go in fast as you can. We'll get back up to this slow quarterback. That's not a show for us.

[B]

He want him to pull it, Please pull it. We going to put you out the game.

[A]

Yeah. Like, dude, they gave up 44 points which is the most they have ever given up in a home game in John Harbaugh's 18 years coaching period. Dude, the Ravens are on pace to give up more and like shatter the Panthers 24 record for most points allowed at 534. They're at 35.4 per game right now, bro. Like it. I don't understand it, dude. And I understand him. Do you think I'm not coaching? No, no, I don't. I don't think it's coaching, dude. It's the players, bro.

[B]

It's the players.

[A]

I understand not changing the D coordinator. It's too late in the season to do that anyway. But they're missing tackles, they're getting pushed around, they're getting beat. They're getting, they're getting dominated by the other man across the ball. That's nothing to coach about that like you got to win your one on ones and they're not doing that for the majority of the game in anything that they do. I mean Houston is Houston, but I expected him to do, you know, I expected him to do good, but I didn't expect him to do this. Well.

[B]

Hey, shout out to CJ Strout. Oh yeah, he looked a little athletic. He was hauling ass up the sideline. So I mean he. I think he might have been playing possibly.

[A]

Well, you got to realize something. I think he was playing this against the 32nd defense. So unless you the 32nd offense, it should look different, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, no, he looked good though. He looked good. 44 is 44 on anybody is 44. But they going for a record of worst defense in the league. So we gonna see what he do next week. But I'm happy for CJ Strout. He looked athletic.

[A]

He did well, you know, that might. Like I said, it could have been him joking, not joking, whatever it may be. I don't know too many people. They said he go as far back as watching like, like, like peewee type stuff, games. Like, I'm like high school, all that. I'm like. I don't. I don't even know if I got high school type. I. I do have high school type. It's on DVD now. It was on the vhs. It's on DVD now. I don't even know.

[B]

Do they still got DVD player?

[A]

I don't even know, dude. I don't know. I don't. I don't know.

[B]

You had to put it in the PlayStation.

[A]

Do the PlayStation still use. I don't know. I ain't got no games. I'm so.

[B]

Yeah, I know they do. They do. They do. I'm so far you can download them. But yeah, I still use. I still use the disc, dude.

[A]

Eagles lost. Eagles lost to the Broncos, bro. They dominated that game for a good three quarters, dude, and then they went and gave it up in the fourth. What do you think people are doing to try. And this is my. This is my thought.

[B]

Yeah, tell me what you think about.

[A]

It, D. I think they're trying to change up and not run as much to maybe get receivers balls to keep the noise down maybe, or whatever, you know, it is that they may be. Because you ran the ball with Saquon all last year and that got y'. All. That got y' all a Super bowl. Like, that was what y' all did. And now it almost like you're. You're abandoning it. I don't. I just don't. I don't understand it. I know they came out in the, you know, like, second half of that game, you know, Denver, and they changed up. You know, what they were giving. What they were giving hurts and what they were giving the offense and, you know, they showed things that looked like they were gonna do something that they didn't. They'd show, man, and then drop out in the zone and all that other stuff. But, you know, at some point, the offense coordinator. You got to adjust to that. Hey, they're doing this like, you know, we need to adjust to their adjustment. And that's. That's my thought. That's my thought on it. You know, what was the.

[B]

What do you know? What. What did Saquon run for?

[A]

Dude, I think he only had.

[B]

At.

[A]

One point in time, dude. I think it was like in the third quarter, dude, only had like maybe six carries. Or something like that. God.

[B]

Yeah, that ain't gonna work. You got. You can't. You can't detour from what got you there, especially when you got Saquon Barkley. That doesn't make. That doesn't make any sense. I think they might maybe you know how, like, A.J. brown trying to get his. Trying to get his voice out. But I think Jalen hurts. Some of them passes that he throwing to A.J. brown, he just be overthrowing my man throwing the joints out of bounds. We looking crazy. So I know he's A.J.

[A]

Brown and DeVonta Smith seem to call out Jalen hurts in consecutive weeks about the passing game, bro.

[B]

I mean, it is what it is. I mean, sometimes I've been looking at some of Those plays where A.J. brown is open, like, beating the dude on the deep ball, and he's just overthrowing him by five yards. I'm like, where are you throwing the ball to give him a chance. So you know the receiver. If you throw the ball out of bounds or throw the ball where nobody. I can't even even, like, slow down, jump up and make a contested catch. Throw me something where I have opportunity, you know what I'm saying? And these dudes are feeling like, dude, this dude all cool. Modi is out here not getting me the rock and throwing the ball crazily. So I'm not going to just keep sitting here and chilling and then we start messing around and lose the game. Because now it was all good. You undefeated. But then when you start losing and you're looking bad, then it's like, okay, now do y' all hear what I'm saying? Are y' all not looking at these passes that are not in anywhere of my. In my vicinity, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, I think. And it's good to be able to hold a man accountable. Like, look, if he goes in there and look at that tape. Jalen hurts. Was that past bad like this? Yes, it was. All right, then, well, let me see if you make. Make a better throw. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's just being able to stand on it and be able to be, like, responsible for your position and when you do bad, be able to say, yes, that's me. I got to make sure this is better.

[A]

Yeah, I. I lied, bro. It was six carries for the whole game. 30 yards. God, 30 yards, bro. Like, it's only six carries, right? So you're telling me that those six carries, 30 yards. You telling me five yards of pop ain't good enough.

[B]

You say six carries. You cannot even warm yet. Six carries. He's not warm.

[A]

I don't. I gotta. Yeah, we gotta. This the offense coordinator, baby.

[B]

Yeah, I gotta look into that one. That's wild.

[A]

You gotta. Hey, Philly, go over there, look into your offensive coordinator. That's where y' all go. Find all your answers. And, you know, I mean, players play on the field, so I understand you. The overthrowing and all the other stuff, but maybe, you know, if he didn't have to do that as much, you know, and they were giving wider open passes because of the run game was working. He wouldn't overthrow it in fear of, you know, getting a pick. Rather have an incompletion than a pick, you know?

[B]

Yeah, I can see that. But Saquon with six carries is crazy. They gotta change that. That just doesn't make any sense.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I gotta let him touch the ball at least. At least 20 times. That's how I feel.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's. That's just. Yeah, I didn't receive. I didn't pay you all this money to just have you come over. Five, six carries. Dude, I could carry six right now at 47. I carry.

[B]

I like it. For six. Yes. Six carries for show. That was wild.

[A]

Like, I don't. I don't. I don't understand.

[B]

No, man.

[A]

So the Bangles. Listen, listen. This is how I'm trying to tell you why you shouldn't be upset because the Bengals lost, too. So the Browns lost. The Bengals lost. And the Ravens lost.

[B]

And the Ravens.

[A]

Which means we won. You see that?

[B]

Yep, yep, yep.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You know what, Deebo? I.

[A]

You know, when we do stuff a lot of time. So I'm saying we, but you sounding real distraught and frustrated. I'm hearing more F bombs than I done heard ever, you know, So I just. I don't feel like you giving me us because I'm taking you out of the weed right now. The same loyalty that you've given the Clowns. I mean, the Browns.

[B]

That's disrespectful.

[A]

Don't call the clowns. My braces. My braces make me mess up my word. I'm sorry. That wasn't.

[B]

No, but Ebo. But yeah, I'm. The Steelers. You want to go to the Steelers? You want to talk about the Lions and Bangers?

[A]

We want to talk about the Lions and Bangers, man. Okay. You know. You know, I mean, the Lions are the Lions. It was just a little too much.

[B]

It was a little too much.

[A]

Browning Brownie out there was against The Bengals, who.

[B]

Brownie was out there throwing punt balls. He was throwing the ball to the. He was throwing the ball to the other team. He picked up and did way better in the fourth. In the fourth quarter, he did good. But at the beginning of that game.

[A]

I mean, come on, you know, you in that prevent. You know, you done. You done sat back. You know all that.

[B]

That's the only reason why.

[A]

You know what? I was surprised, though. The defense did do better.

[B]

Yes, they did.

[A]

Defense did better.

[B]

They did. They definitely made a step in the right direction because that offense is a great offense to go against. Man with the running game, with golf, with some Amara, like, that's a squad. That's a team. That's a full team that you're going against. So them being able to have all them damn turnovers and putting them in.

[A]

This guy jumping out there putting fires out.

[B]

They had to.

[A]

It could have been ugly. Third quarter, he basically hits. Well, you might as well say two quarters because he got the third pick soon as the second play of the second half.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I mean. Yeah. He is not. You know what? You know what? Listen, Russ can't do no. No worse. They need to go ahead and see if the Giants give up Russia.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

Something gotta happen.

[B]

Something gotta give. I'm not gonna lie. I hope they keep Browning. That's in there for the sake of the Steelers and for the sake of the Browns. Keep Browning in there and keep having him throw the ball to the other team, and it's gonna be perfect for us because they.

[A]

That's what. Hey, but I kind of, you know, I don't want to go in there and have competition. You know what I'm saying? I want to see a good game. I don't want to go in there and see the Steelers score 50, you know, TJ get 10 sacks and, you know, 18 turnovers and all, you know, I don't want to see that. You know, that's.

[B]

I do.

[A]

That's just boring, you know? And then that's. You know, that's like.

[B]

It's like beating a dead horse.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You want to beat him at the top of the game, you want to take. You want to beat him?

[A]

I ain't gonna say all that. They can keep Burrow up out of there. I ain't gonna go to half out. All right? You see, that tells you how good Burrow is. Look what they got right now. Look what they doing right now. Look what he's done. Hey, Burrow. You might Want to get up out of there, baby. After your toe get right, you might want to see. I think they gonna waste you over there. I don't know.

[B]

They ain't gonna let him go nowhere.

[A]

I don't know. Did they sign him yet? I don't know. I gotta look at the contract.

[B]

That man.

[A]

Yeah, that man jumped a stipulation in there. How much is the guarantee?

[B]

Yeah, it could be getting close to up, but, you know, they gonna keep that man. He probably making what, like 50 a year? I think he's right. Probably around 50.

[A]

Like. Yeah, I don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Listen, the only thing that may worry me is that they did play well. The defense played well. Now Lions is number six offense. They did that well against him? I wouldn't say that well. They just didn't do as trash as they usually do. Okay. When it came time to actually, like, stop, they did stop him sometimes. But it seemed like when the Lions was like, yo, we gotta get something. They getting too close. They went on head, drove down the field and got a touchdown or whatever. It may be that they needed to. So I just don't want anybody else in the north improving too much on any side of the ball, you know, because I'm selfish.

[B]

No, I respect that. But Gibbs and the Lions is a really, really good team, man. Oh, yeah, them running backs, bro, they set a record for scoring two running backs scoring each in the game. Like 14. They scored. Both of them scored in the game 14 times. And I think that's a record for two running backs on the same team scoring in the same game that many times. So they just. They still. They balling. And I love the way they support each other, you know what I'm saying? Thunder and lightning. So I think they got a really good thing going on they side.

[A]

Oh, no question, dude. Like that, that first week, you know, that. That. That was that they needed to get bumped on the head to go ahead and wake up, you know, like, they. They looking like the old Lions, you know, that. That had been. We had been seeing the last couple years.

[B]

Yo, for sure, it's a long. It's a long season too. So. You know, that first game, like you said, they got spanked up. We didn't know what was happening. But you can't just start being like, oh, no, the lines are all messed up. We don't know what's gonna happen. No, no, no, no, no. Let them get into it. Let them start getting their footing, right? Like, it's a long season. And now we going into week six so now you starting to really see kind of teams starting to come into what they gonna be.

[A]

Yeah. And it don't hurt, like you said, to go against the bungles. I mean, the Bangles. I don't know my braces be facing up against my lip like that.

[B]

You so disrespectful.

[A]

No, my lip, dude. I'm just. What's disrespect? You wanna know what's disrespectful?

[B]

What?

[A]

The Bengals have been outscored the last three games, 113 to 37. Okay. Like, that's disrespectful. The man done through three picks that game. On top of that, he done threw eight interceptions in the last four. Like, what are you talking about?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. They gotta get respectful. That is disrespectful. That's bad ball. That's bad ball, Deebo.

[A]

Like, if I'm Joe Burrow, y' all want me to come out here and do this, y' all got to re up. Y' all gotta double my pay. Cause I gotta get injury. I gotta get injury pay. Cause I know I'm gonna get hit from every side. Like, I'm gonna have to mess around to get a backy out of me. You know, tackle ain't. Ain't protecting my backside or something, you know, I don't. I don't know, man.

[B]

They need to get some line. Cause if they gonna keep Burrow back there, every time he keep getting hit, he keep getting hurt. I mean, you gotta protect them. And then they still got Chase and they signed Higgins. So that ultimates aside, I think is gonna. They're gonna be explosive. Defense look, like you said, they look like they playing a little bit better. But I think the main thing they would need to do is just get Stouty up that line. Because the receivers, man, Ja', Marr, Chase, Higgins, ballers like they have, they had the skill players to do it. I just think that you got to keep Joe Burrow upright.

[A]

Yeah, you got to, man. You got. If you don't do that, you ain't got a chance, man. But the Patriots went on head out there and stunned them boys over there in Buffalo. 23 to 20.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. Defense. Defense. Turnovers, dude. Turnovers. The big thing. Yes, bro.

[B]

Turning the ball of the Bills, man. That's how the Bills killed themselves with the turnovers, bro.

[A]

Yeah. So I guess the Bills had an NFL record 26 game streak without losing the turnover battle broken when they turned the ball over. Was it four times? Four times this? Or was it three? Three or four. One or the other, dude. It wasn't. It wasn't. Hey, listen, they got a quarterback over there, dude. They actually got a quarterback over there.

[B]

Oh, May.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, bro.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, May. May doing his thing, dude. Real talk. Buffalo had two fumbles in that first quarter, a bunch of penalties like they had. I believe they had twice as many penalties at halftime than they had points. You know, New England's defense, dude, they played well.

[B]

They did good.

[A]

Even though they had a few injuries, too. They had a few injuries. They had four takeaways, bruh. May. May look good, dude. Like, he was passing the rock. He was using his feet to get things going, putting his head down, going ahead and doing what he had to do to try and get what he needed to. He ended up 22 at 30 for 273. And you know, that boy Diggs went.

[B]

Loose on him, man.

[A]

Loose on him, boy.

[B]

10 for 146 on his old team, bro. Came back with like, I got something for y' all last. Y' all thought I wasn't good enough no more. Y' all ain't want me here.

[A]

No, they ain't. They really want. You know, they said he had. He had some. He had some growing up, some growing up to do. I guess he was a problem. I guess that was the report from there. And what was it? Minnesota. And then when he got to Houston, it was. It was totally different. I think everybody has points in times where they need to mature or grow up. Prime example. Like, we. We got rid of receiver now playing for George Dallas. Yeah, we got rid of Pickens. Right, Pickens. So everybody was like, why would they do that? Da, da, da, da. His play was not the issue. They were unsure of his maturity. Like, you may have to hit a spot here or there or have something happen before you're able to, you know, mature into, you know, the person that you may become, you know, later on in your career. Just as Diggs is saying, like, yo, I'm a lot more mature, they're saying, he's a leader. He's vocal. He's like, that was something that he had to, you know, he had to mature into. Now if, say, he had stayed in Buffalo and. And continued the same thing, and they did what was ever necessary to keep him. He's not going to mature because you're saying your behavior that you're doing is going to achieve the goal that you want. And that's how players become. Okay. It was a little bit of an issue to. It's a lot of an issue to. Now you can't control the issue and you have to get rid of them because you fought so long to try and keep them there, that they were determined that, you know what, the behavior I'm doing is what's going to get me what I want. Instead of being like, yo, it's not going to work, we're going to move you. Well, it's not going to work, we're going to move you. Okay, so I guess the problem is not the teams I was on, the problem is me. And it takes some self awareness to realize that that's what it is and that's what happens. And maybe right now Pixens is over there, doesn't realize like, you know what, I need to do something to, you know, grow up. You ain't hearing nothing about anything that's going on on the field, off the field, whatever it may be. So you know, it could be, it could be one of those situations.

[B]

No, no, no, for sure, for sure. I mean, I can definitely see what you're saying. Cause you know people, you don't, when you first get into, you never know, like the business of the league, you know what I'm saying? You just think you out there playing football and all that stuff. But getting cut, getting released, getting traded to another team would change his perspective real fast and understand like, okay, like I might have to, I might have went about some things differently and this game could be taken away from me. So I gotta kinda maturing a little bit and maybe I can handle things a little bit better. So I definitely, definitely understand where you're coming from there. Because dudes come in 21 years old, you a kid at the beginning and then you start seeing, you play a little bit, you see some other dudes, you talking to them about situations and then you can learning experience. You can't just get learning experience without living through it. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Like, you gotta believe me, dude, I understand what you're saying. If I would have listened to everything I was told when I was young and actually took that advice and use it instead of having to go through the process of, you know what, let me be hard headed and find out myself, I'd be a whole lot further in life. I think all, all of us, everybody would in life. You know what I'm saying? So Big's over there now doing this thing, grinding it out. Like he's the, from what they're saying, he's the, he's the perfect, you know, he's the perfect player. He's He's a perfect teammate, you know, and he's the guy that is vocal a leader over there. And I'm liking it. I'm liking it over there.

[B]

I'm like.

[A]

I mean, we whooped them, you know, but I mean, I'm just saying, like, we are the Steelers, though, so that does. That don't. You know, that don't matter. But, man, they did help them a lot with, you know, with penalties, with penalties, with turnovers. You look at it, I think Buffalo had more yards than them, had more first downs than them. I think they even had more plays than them. But the Killers, they also had more penalties and more turnovers. And, you know, they said they're not. Well, I guess it was a thing that came out where they were saying, you know, they're not worried or stressed about. I wouldn't either. Because you basically, you self. You self mutilated yourself. Y' all killed yourself. Yeah, these and turnovers, understandable. I could see that. But still, somebody out there and get those turnovers and force.

[B]

No, for sure.

[A]

And. And recover those turnovers and. And put those points up. And that was, you know, that was Drake in them, you know. Yes.

[B]

And at the end of the day, too, when they was driving it down, they got. The defense, got that stop and they kicked the field goal to tie the game. When Drake got that ball back and was able to march the joint all the way down with him and Diggs. And then getting. Escaping from the sack, like, being able to make.

[A]

He is making throws full stride, half stride, long down the field.

[B]

On the money, on the money.

[A]

In no position other than what his player could catch it. Dude, that is scary.

[B]

He went one. He went and won the game. Their defense put them in positions to be able to get into that position. And then he went and won that game, man. So he was just able to, like you said, making great down the field throws when you need it most. Because every games have ebbs and flows. It's gonna be first quarter, second quarter turnover here. Whatever, whatever. What's happening in the fourth? What can we win the game? Is it still close? Because everything else is all that we can. We can figure it out. Like, there's fluff. But now when it's time to the nitty gritty, coach, what are we doing? Are we going to score or are we not? You know what I'm saying? Like, and being able to walk out of that stadium in the fourth, so it just means so much more because he can go into that now and like, that's That's. That's good, guys. You know what I'm saying? Like, we can get. We can play the Bills tight, defense balled out, and then we got to get into May's hands. Him and Diggs wrote it down for us to get the win. So I think it just brings some confidence in the whole team. Like all this other shit that happened. Whatever, we can deal with it. But when they got down to the nitty gritty and we needed to score or get down to the field goal range, running out the clock, whatever it may be, May did it for us, and we won that game. So that's a positive for them for sure.

[A]

Yeah, buddy. The Cowboys, they beat the Jets 37, 22. It was chance. Chance of MVP. It's week five. Dak Prescott, he said he heard it. His words was, it's week five. I don't care. What do you. What do you take of that? How you like that response?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I do. I love it. I do.

[A]

I don't even like the cloud because.

[B]

You know what I feel like at the end of the day, Dak, you. They're going to talk about the Cowboys all the time.

[A]

No matter what, man.

[B]

No matter what.

[A]

I ain't going to lie. He putting up numbers. He's doing all that right now. I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie.

[B]

No, no, no. For sure, and I'm not mad at it at all. But Dak knows what. At the end of the day, he's trying to go, they need to do playoff things. All this regular season things is all that. It's going to be all good, all dandy. But what are you going to do in the playoffs? They haven't been able to do anything in the playoffs. And he knows that people are going to hold him to that standard. All this regular season is SW looks good. All right, but when we get to that wild card, can we get a playoff win? Can we go to the division? Can we make, like, a push, a real push? Because the talent is always there. They always have number. The names on the back of those jerseys are unbelievable. Do you know what I'm saying? So the players is not that. It's like this. He understands it's bigger than just this, the regular season, all that. And then for him to. He's not. He's already going to get people talking crap about him anytime. So he like, yeah, I heard the chance. I think I'm playing a great. I think I'm doing great right now. No, I'll Be like, I don't care. I'm focused on us continuing to get better. And just the PC answer, the quarterback answer that you need to give.

[A]

Right, Right. I mean, I think that is the real answer. I think that's really how he feels. Because my thing is this. Would I take an mvp or would I take a Super bowl win? Give me the super bowl win. You could keep the mvp. The goal is, every year, only one team succeeds and accomplishes that goal, and that's the team that walks away with that. Lombardi, your main goal is to win the Super Bowl. Yes. It's other accolades that come along with it. But if your focus is those accolades, you're going to miss the bigger picture. You see what I'm saying?

[B]

All those.

[A]

Hey, man, Jerry out here flipping off fans. Yeah, man, Jerry out here flipping off fans.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Hold up, hold up. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Players get fined for that.

[B]

I would think so. But Jerry, he up in the owner.

[A]

Suite looking down Brian Branch of the Lions, he got. He got fined $20,000 last year for flipping off a fan. What? You gonna find Jerry? Hey, Roger. What are you going to find Jerry, huh? For flipping off the fans. This is supposed to be representation of the Shield. All that other good stuff, all the. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not. It's not a good look for an actual owner to be flipping off fans. Like, are you going to do something about that, or are you just going to sit back? I don't know. We'll see.

[B]

I think. I think he's going to sit back.

[A]

You may.

[B]

I think he's going to sit back.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I don't know. He might have to. If we make enough noise, he might have to do something. Who knows?

[B]

He might have to.

[A]

It really don't matter, man. Roger Gale.

[B]

Did you see? He was in the suite. He was in the suite. Lena.

[A]

Roger Goodale is the puppet for the owners.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. You think he gonna find his. You think he gonna find his own?

[A]

Well, you gotta find him a little something, you know, So. A little something.

[B]

A little slap on the wrist.

[A]

Like, they can fire him. They hire him, they can fire him. Like, they are the ones that says, okay, you're doing well for us. We're gonna keep you for another whatever. Yeah, we'll give you the use of a jet. We'll give you this, all this, lifetime this, all that. Why? Because he's making Them a ton of money. And every now and then one of the owners get out of line. And you know what? Hey, slap him on the wrist. Give him $500,000 fine. Don't say this, don't do that and keep it moving. Although you know your team is worth 5,6 billion after them, boy.

[B]

Yep, you're exactly right.

[A]

I mean, so I think he go do something. If we, if, if we do, if he, if it gets loud enough. But if you don't find him, I want all NFL players to remember this, okay? That he did not find Jerry for getting caught giving fans fingers. So y' all better not get fined for that either. You understand? NFLPA executive director. Where you at, Deebo?

[B]

You think they might try to make something different of him because he was in the crowd, like. Cause he was in the suite.

[A]

Who cares? You flipping off fans at the game televised, right there on tv. You ain't doing, you ain't doing it on your own.

[B]

Oh, no, I'm saying you ain't.

[A]

Not just, you know, elevating and all that. You right there, you representing your team, the NFL, the Shield, remember?

[B]

No, for sure, I'm with you.

[A]

You can't do anything that is going to tarnish the Shield, negatively affects that shield. If that don't negatively affect the shield. A 95 year old man giving somebody a finger and they matured up by the end. That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, they gonna, they're gonna have to give him a slap on the wrist. I don't think they will. I don't think they will. Debo.

[A]

Listen, that ain't, you know, like I said. Hey, we'll see. We'll see, man. They don't pay Roger Goodell, what is it, 60, $70 million a year for nothing? He's doing something great for him. And I ain't gonna lie to you. I used to hate Roger. I used to hate Roger. But listen, I still dislike your ass. You still a bum to me, but I understand where you coming from now. Because if I was you getting paid over the last whatever years, it's been 10, 15 years. Anywhere from 40 something to $70 million a year. I think you'd have made close to $600 million since you've been. Yeah. Since you've been NFL commissioner. Listen, I would let everybody call me every name under the sun. I would do exactly what it is that I am told to do and I would sit there and keep it moving. I understand. If I was in that position, I would probably do that because he works for them. Yes. That's your boss. Everybody don't realize that. That the boss is actually the 32 owners. Roger Goodell's boss is the 32 owners.

[B]

Yeah. So that's why. I mean, at one point, I remember it was like, when I found out it's 32 teams, and they said it was making, like, around. Well, at this point, it was probably, like, 60 million. So I'm like, okay, so it's $2 million per team. You know what I'm saying? Paying them. That's what I'm like. Oh. So each team just paying them 2 million. And that 36. That, man. Get that. That's 64 million.

[A]

Don't forget lifetime jet use now.

[B]

Lifetime jet.

[A]

Lifetime jet. Private jet. Ain't never gotta put himself in the public eye. Listen.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not listening to you. I'm not listening to you players.

[A]

Hey, I ain't listening to a word you saying.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

I am deaf and mute. Mute.

[B]

No. You ain't lying.

[A]

Like, dude, they go, it's making $25 billion in revenue by 27. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Yes, sir.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[A]

What up? Yep. I hate Roger Gazelle. Yep. I hate you, too. I love you, too. I love you. Hate y'. All. Listen. No question. Listen, man, speaking of issues, the Titans beat the Cardinals in a wild one. Dude, Kyler Murray said that's how you lose a game, one on one. Hey. Hey, man, how do you get an interception? Fumble. Other team recovers a touchdown. Hey, y' all thinking of new ways I don't know how many times. And then y' all thinking a new way.

[B]

What about they? What about they? Damn running back. Debo, wait.

[A]

Drop the ball.

[B]

Why do people keep doing that?

[A]

Hey, I don't understand. Listen, you don't look sweet. It don't.

[B]

You don't look cool. Like.

[A]

Listen, what you need to do is next time, don't drop that ball. I'm gonna tell my running backs until everybody going to the goal. When you score a touchdown, you can't drop the ball until you run out the back of the end zone. If you don't run out the back of the end zone, that ball better come back to the sideline.

[B]

Hit your head on the goal post.

[A]

Come on, man.

[B]

God, that's just dumb. And people are keep telling you to keep doing it. It's just. It makes me so upset. Cause I know, like, they're like, oh, yeah, Celebrating. That's not making you look sweet. You don't look cool. You don't look like. Yeah, okay. No, no, you look like an idiot. So just bring the ball all the way across the line, please.

[A]

Listen, go through the back of the end zone before you let that ball go.

[B]

Don't let it go. Bring it home with you. Take it all away. Take it to the crib. That's your touchdown ball.

[A]

Some people like to give them away and throw them around like this. Listen, don't let the ball go till you through the back of the end zone. But hold up. Did you see the video?

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

The head coach. Can we play that video? Is there any way we can do that? Yay. Nay say, dude. Let's put that video up now. I understand it's a point in time where, you know, you gotta motivate your player. You know, hey, bro, come on, you gotta get it together, man. Hey, that's all right. We got you, you know, you. You tackle him. You know what I'm saying? Get them. You know, you get them going.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this. This. This damn show wasn't one of those situations. Now you give them. You could give them one, you know, and that's. I'm motivating you, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can see the expression of motivation.

[B]

Motivation. Not. Not like I'm mad at you. Like I'm trying to. Like. Like I'm trying to.

[A]

I'm trying.

[B]

You low key, right?

[A]

Like, I'm trying. And that's the head coach now. You know what I'm saying? That's Jonathan Gannon. So, dude, don't drop the ball, right? So as he drops the ball, it ends up being a touchback, blah, blah, blah. He gets to the sideline. You got a lineman there sitting there consoling my guy, right? You know, trying to tell him, the coach runs up to him. Now, I only saw the first. Only saw the first one where he hit him walking away. So the. The one that I hope that is going to be shown is going to be the one where he actually comes up. You can tell him he's dog cussing him, right? He pops him in chest. And then on the way out, dude's head is down just like. He just, you know, he destroyed.

[B]

He upset. You know, he's sad. He said he knows on the way.

[A]

Out, he gives him like a right hook, bruh, as he goes through. Please play it. Please play it.

[B]

Oh, it's broadcast.

[A]

We can't play it. It's broadcast.

[B]

They need to go do.

[A]

Go look at the clip.

[B]

They need to go see the clip.

[A]

Go see the clip. All right. It's the actual head coach. Dude is sitting he's standing there, sorry. And his lineman has got his arm around him, trying to consult him. He comes up and bombs him in his chest. After he bomb him in his chest, he hooks him as he walks off from the, from the side.

[B]

Now, listen, don't even talk about how he was head to head with him, like, all on his, like, zero personal space now.

[A]

Yes, to hell with the personal space. You could get in my face, you could could do all that, okay? You can't put your mother fucking hands on me, bitch. You a head coach. First off, Gannon, whatever your name is, he should have bombed him with a cannon on that right hand he got and just slapped the piss out of him. How are you going to now as a man go home and be like, yeah, son, I let this man hit me twice. I'm losing my job, Joe. It's gonna take half the team to get me up off of him. Dude, I had issues because I didn't allow coach to talk to me when I was a rookie any kind of way. My linebacker coach, any kind of way he wanted to. I'm like, dude, you go give me the same respect you get these vets. You don't have to give me any leniency or all that. But you're not gonna talk to me crazy like I'm a kid. That's not gonna happen. That's what got me cut my rookie year. Like, I'm not. Yo, you're not about to talk to me like I'm a child and you put your hands on, man, how I'mma go home to my son. How I'mma go home to my son. I'mma go home to my son, bro. He gonna be like, hey, you ain't do nothing to that coach that put his hands on you. So I know you ain't gonna do nothing to me.

[B]

No, he tell you, he like, dad, man, be quiet. You ain't say nothing to coach when.

[A]

He slapped up on you? Yeah, no, we can't do that. And then something else that threw me off is like, the players are standing right there. Nobody's like, yo, coach, calm down. Like, you don't hit nobody, bro, unless you want to get hit back.

[B]

Unless you ready to fight.

[A]

What are we talking about?

[B]

Like you say, James, it's a respect thing and it's understanding. It's a grown ass man. That the same time that you coming over there all mad, do you not think that he feels like a complete.

[A]

Head down, but head down like this, the lineman got stand on him.

[B]

He was sad, got his Man's consoling.

[A]

Yes. And you hit. He bomb on him in his chest and then he hit him with a hook on the way out. Like, where's. It's no way on God's green earth I could let that go, bro. Like, at what? Like you're the head coach. How are you going to address it? You got to address this like you ain't got. You just dropped to the bottom person in your household. You ain't do nothing to that coach. That's what everybody gonna say. You ain't doing nothing to that coach. The locker room, like, what we talking about.

[B]

Yeah, that's not. That's not cool. That's not cool.

[A]

What you gonna do, Joe? What. What would be your response, Joe? I know I'm going to jail, get my bail money.

[B]

I. I think off the. It's definitely going to be what the who, like, when he first walk up. I'm definitely addressing the situation. Like, I'm going.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

I think I'm. I don't know. I'm not going to steal off on my coach. I'm just letting you know me off the rip. I'm not going to steal off on him. If he's on you twice, I'm probably. I'm. No, no, he would. I wouldn't have got hit twice. After the first bomb, I'm going, hum. Pushing like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, who the. Like, we gonna talk like, I'm gonna get my space back. Like, that's when once he hit me in my belly, I'm pushing them off. And then it's gonna be what it's gonna be. Because now I'm hopefully like, I just don't. I just don't like people being all in my damn space.

[A]

Like, you know what?

[B]

And I've had a couple situations in. In Cleveland with just coaches not. Not rocking.

[A]

I understand what you're saying now. So you. You reacting to the first one. All right, I got you. Maybe I want.

[B]

I'm reacting to the first.

[A]

Yeah. Cause the first one you might not.

[B]

Ended up in your first.

[A]

It's gonna be that reaction. Boom, boom. It's gonna be that reaction.

[B]

It's gonna be. It's gonna be like, boom, boom.

[A]

What the whole.

[B]

Nick, what the. What you got going? You know what I'm saying? Then we. Now you lost your mind. Like, what's up now? I'm looking at him, he looking at me. I'm like, you just hit me now we. What's up? Like, what the. You could talk right? So Mad or like you just.

[A]

Yeah, now. Now you get something between you, you know, somebody like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's going on here?

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

When you sitting there just taking it and listen, I cannot spot. I'm not gonna be able to sit there if I'm the dude that's holding him. And you come and just bomb on him. Yo, slow your roll right there. Coach.

[B]

Like, is.

[A]

Are y' all that afraid of this? Coach? I don't know. This is. This is not the first time he done did something like this. It can't be. You know, it's no way. As a first time head coach, you bomb off on a player that dropped the ball going into the end zone on the sideline, and you're already up. They were up at that point. And you bomb on him. No, no.

[B]

Yeah. It's just like you said, Debo, that physical stuff, why you hitting another grown ass, man?

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

On your like. And it's not like a hype. Like, come on, baby, we get like the past.

[A]

Hey, man, come on, get it together. That's all right. We gonna get it back. Boom. You know, one of those. It ain't that.

[B]

No. You frustrated, you trying to box, you mad.

[A]

You ain't. First you mad. That's what happens. You get mad, people get mad. And the first thing you want to do is you want to get your hands moving. You know what I'm saying? Like, Like. Like, think about it. You sitting there and your kids do something and you be like, let me calm down.

[B]

Let me calm down.

[A]

Like, that's like the way I grew my patients through is my kids. My kids have made me a far more patient person than I ever would have been in my whole entire life. They saved my life for sure, 110%. But me today reformed far better than I was. Still, like you said, would have had to react to that. Now, old, old me, the one that ain't had no kids and he had no responsibilities, I'd have went on here and got locked up. Yeah, it had took the team, you know, it took 4, 5 to pull me off him because I'd have been trying to put cleats all through his lip face everything else.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Like, I'm supposed to go home, knock on James and Henry looking at me like, hey, dad, don't say, shut the fuck up, dad. I'll be there. Slapped you in your mouth. You ain't to that coach.

[B]

Kids just start cussing you out.

[A]

Now I'm sitting there like this. Now I'm sitting there like this. Nah, Man, I can't have that, bro. I can't have that. Hey, man, listen, bro, I want to let you know, brother, that I'm not upset that y' all lost. I'm actually happy. I know you're a little upset, but you still over there in the uk, London, you know?

[B]

Yes, man. I got my flight back. I get out of here tomorrow to come back.

[A]

Okay, you out of here tomorrow? Oh, yeah. So we gotta let know. We gotta. We gotta let him know what's gonna.

[B]

Happen tomorrow, Joe, man, We gonna be off tomorrow because I'm gonna be traveling. But we will be back on Friday for the Deebo and Joe show. Back live, 11 o', clock with your Thursday Night Football recap, with your Monday Night Football recap, with your what's about to happen this weekend recap. Me and Debo.

[A]

Look here, baby. We will be back here on Friday. We want you to please like and subscribe. Okay? We want to thank you guys for coming. Hey, who do we. Who do we play next week, Joe? Who do we play next week, Joe?

[B]

Who do we play? Oh, is it the Brownies? Who do we play?

[A]

Who is the we? You know who me is. Safe travels.

[B]

Oh, man, you know what I'm gonna be.

[A]

I'm neutral.

[B]

What?

[A]

What?

[B]

I'm neutral.

[A]

You neutral?

[B]

They play each other. What jersey? I'mma come in with a jersey. It's going to be a 2, 3 jersey split. Half Browns, half Steelers. Like my tattoo.

[A]

What tattoo, bro? You better not have. No, you better not have no browns and still a tattoo on you. Yep, right there. You see that, bro?

[B]

Browns are still.

[A]

That ain't real, bruh. Ain't real. Ain't real.

[B]

It's 50. 50. It's browns and Stellas on there.

[A]

Hey, bro, look here. Who you looking to win in this matchup? That's what I want to know.

[B]

Whoever deserves to win. Whoever plays a better more. No turnover.

[A]

Who do you want to win, Joe?

[B]

Whoever plays both.

[A]

Who do you want to win? It ain't about who plays. Who do you want to win?

[B]

Whoever plays better. Come on. I'm so glad I'm in London Depot. Your eyes are saying so many words like you. Like you wanna. Like you wanna put hands on me like that coach did.

[A]

And we out. This is an I Heart podcast.