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Welcome to the Deebo and Joe Show. I am your host, James Deebo Harrison. I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. We got it all right here. Joe, how you doing this morning, buddy?
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Man, I'm doing good, brother. Debo, man. Having a great night watching football, man. The Bills, Dolphins game, it was, it was great game to see. Great game to see.
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Oh, yeah, for sure, man. The Dolphins, they, they came out to fight, dog. They came out to fight. You know what's so crazy is I talked to somebody before and I'm like, dude, watch. Watch the Bills go out here and lose this game, dude. I'm like, they done came back on the Ravens, you know, they went and stumped the lights out, the Jets. I'm like, they are primed for a letdown. They probably thinking that, you know, Miami, go come in here. Woe is me maybe. You know, they already had a, you know, a players only meet in week one. So, you know, you're at home, it's a short week and, and the whole time I'm thinking, dude, you thought they.
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Were going to sneak up on him?
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Dude, I thought they was going to sneak up on him, dude. I mean, when you look at it, I mean, barely, they, I mean, they came through, you know, it was 31, 21. They came through, they won the game. But as soon as the first quarter started, dude, Miami goes down there. They score on what, 10 plays. Took up almost six, almost seven minutes off the clock and went in for seven, made it look easy. I mean, it was a short field. It was only like special teams.
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That's the way you start the game off, you know what I'm saying? Special teams popped off with a great return. They got it at the 50. I'll tell you one thing, Achan was balling, you know what I'm saying? Just getting the ball in his hands. I don't think Tua did anything too impressive in the first drive. He just getting the ball. He didn't throw the ball over five yards. Completed the first, the third and fourth of Tyreek Hill, getting him involved. But I think HN and what's my other man, A Chan and Gordon, number 31, the rookie running back. Thunder and Lightning, them dudes. Achan's the more speed guy, you know what I'm saying? Dumping it to him. He was doing the running game and catching out the backfield. And then Gordon being able to power it in, you know what I'm saying? So that first drive, it looked really impressive. But the same thing I was saying too, Tua didn't have to do too much, you know what I'm saying? Getting into the hands of his, you know what I'm saying, athletes. He got some playmakers like Tyreek Hill was out there hooping.
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First shout out to Tyreek, for sure, for sure. Then you come back and the Bills get the ball and what is it, 85, 90 yards. They go 10 plays and they, they score. I'm like, brother, brother, brother, ain't nobody coming to play defense this week. Like, what's going on?
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It was, it was, it was James Cook. It was James Cook.
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Oh, no question.
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Did you see every time he touched the ball? It was for first 10, it was 10.
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It was double 10. It was first down.
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He was cutting through there, running the ball with patience, you know what I'm saying? With burst, you know what I'm saying? That it looked good. So him and then Josh Allen with the little fake, fake, fake bubble screen, you know what I'm saying? And then dropped the dime to the tight end, put it in. Ball placement was on the, on, on the money. So like those first two drives, both teams go down, score. I'm thinking for sure it's going to be a high scoring game.
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It looked good, no question. Then you well, actually, I think the next thing was basically getting down there and, you know, I think they missed a field goal or something, dude. Like, it was like so hard.
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They scored on their first two possessions and then they drove it down on their third.
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Right? They did. They scored the very next one because.
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They was, they was walking the joint down. Yeah. And that was when Tua got it. He was snaps, you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, they, they shortened. I think they had a penalty, actually. They were still driving now that I think about the second, the second drive, they were still driving and they had penalties that, that, that slowed them down and they weren't able to. To convert. And then they went on down there, scored on them again, and it was 14, 7 then. So, you know, I'm thinking it's still a chance because they were able to drive down. They let, you know, some penalties, you know, slow them down.
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And the good thing was too, in the first half that Miami did a good job of converting on first down. So that second, that the next drive, when they ended up scoring before halftime, Tyree kill, they converted four first down, four third down conversions. To Tua, used his feet on one and three to Tyreek Hill, a third and 12, like a third and seven and a third and five. He converted all three of those to get down there. And they ended up scoring before half with waddle, caught that slant, you know what I'm saying, getting in the end zone. So they got the ball with four minutes. That was an amazing four minute draw.
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You know, that was from the missed field goal. The missed field goal. They were able to go ahead and.
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They was able to get down there.
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So again a short field and able to get down there and go ahead and get seven. Now they tied up at halftime. So, you know, they in the fight, you know, right now you don't, you know, gave him, you know, you know, you know, gave Miami some hope, you know, and they like, you know, we could go out here and do this.
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I think it was, it was a tale of two halves because the first half, it was seven, it was 14, 14. And then on the second half, defense, third quarter wasn't too much action. Well, Josh Allen came out off the rip first draft in the third quarter, so that put it to 21 14. But not too much more action was going on in the third. A lot of punts, you know what I'm saying? But it was the fourth quarter. That really was the tail of the game, that fourth quarter, man, when they got the stop, you know what I'm saying two of them went down, they scored, you know what I'm saying?
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They tied up 21, 21 now 21, 21.
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And then they get a stop. The tide of the game, the game could be changing. And they go to put a punt and my man runs into the punter, which changes the whole trajectory at a game, you know what I'm saying? Then they go down there and score. So puts the game to 28 to 21. And I think that was just. That's. Those are the mistakes that you cannot make if you want to beat, you know what I'm saying? The Buffalo Bills, you can't beat yourself. They were in the fight. They were getting them to punt. They were forcing them to punt. They didn't drive down there and score on them. So that was 21, 21. We getting the ball, you know what I'm saying? They were doing a good job converting. They made the fourth down, fourth and four, got down there and scored. So when you're playing the Bills, though, those are the mistakes that you can't make.
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Yeah, for sure. So my. I mean, I think they still had a chance until, you know, you got to that. That last, you know, that last interception right there, I think it was maybe three minutes or so left, whatever it was. And, you know, you going in to, you know, possibly get seven, and then, you know, you had an interception. And that, you know, to me, that basically sealed the deal.
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That definitely sealed it.
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Yeah, that killed. That killed everything that was going, man, you know, the best. I think the biggest thing that they did is they showed that they wasn't dead, dude. Like, yeah, it's like, yo, we. Yeah, we had it. We had a players only meet in week one, but, you know, that was to get to where we are now. And I mean, they didn't come away with the win, but the mindset, the way they play, you know, except for, you know, certain parts of it, the biggest thing is Buffalo. They. They made the plays when they counted the defense made the stops and the offense made the scores.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, or. Or a pick, whatever it may be, they kept the game close as long as they could, but, you know, the second half came, and I think what helped them keep it close, too, was Buffalo. I mean, they had some. They had some drop passes. You know, they had some. Some penalties that. That were, you know, stalling them in that second half. So that. That helped, you know, Miami be able to keep it close. Yeah. And of course, the Roug kicker in the late interception that was just.
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Crushed Them, they kept it close, man. It was a really, really good game, you know what I'm saying? There's going to be good plays, there's going to be bad plays, there's going to be penalties here and there. Keeping it 14, 14 going in the halftime was all good. Like you said, the roughing, the roughing, the punter that started the whole thing. But for real, when you finish the game off with that pick they're driving down, you're making plays, you're getting the ball actually you're hitting waddle on some five and option converting on third downs. That was just a basic smash concept. Running back fast to the flat. It's three on three over there. He looked directly where he was going and that brought my man Shepard right straight through. Soon as he looked over there, he ran and then it's three on. He threw the ball right to him. So you kind of. That's just mistakes that you can't make. You gotta look it off, you know where you're going. It's three on three over there. As soon as you brought your eyes over there. Defense is tall in zone. We're moving where the quarterback's eyes are going.
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Yes.
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He didn't look you off to right.
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If he had looked him off on that and then turned straight to it and got it to it, he wouldn't have been that close.
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He wouldn't have not been that close. But him looking instantly, soon as he got the ball from the snap, bringing his eyes there, oh, he broke on it like, like a ride. Like a ride. Like he's instantly, you know what I'm saying? So just those mistakes that you cannot make there and I, I'm not. This is here for tour bashing. But he didn't throw the ball well deep at all. All of their completions were behind the line of scrimmage. He was getting it. The H hand, he was getting it in Tyree kills.
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I mean except for the three, those three big third downs.
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Yeah, but no, those were those, those were the one where he scrambled away. That was about a 12 yard pass. That was maybe one of them. The one with Tyree Kill got, He passed it 7 yards. Tyreek Hill went back, dipped down and got missing on people, you know what I'm saying? Made after catch.
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So yards. I see what you're saying. Yeah.
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A lot of this stuff was just underneath dicks and dunks. And then when we needed to make plays, I mean he would kind of, kind of turned it over was or was fumbling with the snaps on Third downs. Just little things that we can't have when we're not. I'm not asking you to win the game for us, but I'm asking you to just do a little more simple things. Just keep the turnovers down. Don't put us in positions to lose, because at the end of the day, you're not really. You're not doing too much. You're getting in the player's hands, but the ball being thrown down the field is not.
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That's a difference between hurting me and not helping me.
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Thousand percent.
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Yeah. Yeah, you're hurting me if you're turning the ball over, you know, if you're not scoring. Yeah, you're not helping me, but you're not hurting me. You know, you're giving me the opportunity to go back out there and, you know, do what it is that we can do to try and keep it close. But, you know, picks. You're hurting me there. That's taking points off the board that, you know, that could have put us in a position that, you know, we're looking at possibly going down there the next, you know, next drive and seeing if we can't get an onside kick or something and see if we come through with it. But that opportunity was just, you know, snatched away in the last, you know, in the last few minutes of the game alone. Like I said, the two critical mistakes, dude.
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Yeah, those two. Two big ones, man. The roughing, the punter and that pick. That's not. That's not. Well, that's not winning football. And Josh Allen, he's not turning the ball over. They did, like, on the first half. They only had three possessions in the whole first half of the game. You know what I'm saying? So that's. The Dolphins were holding the ball, doing.
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Converting, keeping the ball away from him. Seven minutes. Another one was close to six. And some change. You know, they were. They were holding on to the ball. I mean, at the end of the game, though, it was still almost even, you know, close.
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For sure, for sure, for sure. But three possessions in the first half is good. And then they scored on two of them, you know what I'm saying? So I think they're moving in the right direction, but you just can't turn the ball over and make critical mistakes if you're trying to win the game. You stayed in it, you did good. But it's not a bash. They, like you said, they fought. They look like they didn't give up on. They didn't give up. You know what I'm Saying like that was that didn't look like a team that didn't want to go out there and try to win that football game.
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You think they take some type of moral victory out of this even though they didn't win?
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You know what it is? There's no moral victories in it. You know, once you, you lose, you lose, all of that stuff is going to be the same on you took a L on your, on your, on the, on the win ball sheet. I would hope just you, you could take the good for what it is. But at the end of the day I, I'm not a fan of the, the more you, you lost. You know what I'm saying?
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But yeah, you still exactly what I did wrong so that, that next time and make sure we come out with that win that moral victory stuff. I ain't, I ain't never been on it. I ain't never.
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You lost, man.
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Oh yeah, you lost. It's no, it's no if, ands or buts about it. So I guess before the game they had some reports surface about players, you know, being late for meetings and having disciplinary issues. According to espn, tardiness was an issue through last season. One current Dolphin player said he believes some captains that this past season took advantage of the role. They said Ramsey wide receiver Tyreek Hill were two of the eight voter captain in 2024. They were among repeat offenders who received numerous fines throughout the seasons. Throughout the season. What do you, what do you think of, of, you know, players like repeatedly being late, you know, they said players were often late to practice meetings with multiple team sources suggesting this reflecting the lack of respect for McDaniels who was hesitant to publicly, I guess discipline these guys for outside of posting fines.
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Well, let's keep this real though, Debo. Well, you know, we've been both apart. We've been in the league a long time and you know what I'm saying. How do you. I know, I know you've been a part of the Steelers. I was a part of the Steelers and the Browns. And let me just ask you just over how do you feel about this, about players being late to meetings? Because I know I'm going to, we're going to, we're going to be real on our show Deebo. That's what we talked about earlier, like real conversations, real things that go on. So I know what do you feel about targeting this of players and how do you think this is? What do you think?
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So, so, so my thing on it is you should never be late. It's nothing that can go on that, that, that should make you late because you should be leaving with enough time to get there and all that other stuff. Now, I understand where you get. Certain players get different privileges, okay? I understand that. Because with time, you know, like, like bust, like Bus would say, he says the three T's. If over time, you tell me the truth, I'll learn to trust you. So as I build a relationship with that player and I know, you know, what their demeanor is and how they actually operate. If he comes late one time or something happens and you're late, okay, I could scrub that. But, you know, if you come late again, you can't scrub that. You know what I'm saying? And it's a reason that we have the, what they call it, the code of conduct. It's called conduct detrimental. Okay? So it's what is they call progressive discipline, right? So a team has the option of finding you on your first offense, okay? And they can find you up to a max of like, I think it's 40 or whatever that max fine is. The second time is 70%, and third time it's 100% of that max fine. Okay? Now, yes, that max fine. That max fine can be a week's salary all the way up to and including suspension without pay for four weeks. So when you get guys that are just repeated fenders, only way you can get any kind of control is to actually go to the further spectrum of it that you can. Because everybody cares about their money. You telling me I got four weeks of playing and not getting paid? That's, that's not, that's not something somebody is going to sign up for or, or do if they know that, you know what? After my second, third time, after my third time, this is what's going to happen now when you get coaches that, that are like, okay, I'm going to find you, and they find you 2500 and they find you 3000 and they find you 5000, and you never get to that find of what they call that real money, then it's not going to stop them. You know what I'm saying? Like, especially if you got a player that's, you know, you're making half a million dollars a week or whatever, you. You don't even notice that. You just thinking some extra taxes came out, you know what I'm saying? So unless the coach makes it a point to do that, like, I don't know what happens in New England if you're late. Like, I, when, when Bill was there, like, I don't know what happens. I honestly, they had me so scared. I was just. I seen time. I'm sitting in my locker like this dude, and I kind of catch a glimpse of somebody running, and it's time he run into the meeting. I'm like, oh, oh, I'm about to be late. So I jump up and I start running in there and everybody in there, but the meeting don't start for like another like five minutes, three. Five minutes or something. So it's obviously something there happens that don't nobody want a piece of because nobody is late. Also something else they did was your. Your phones. You can't have your phone in the meeting. It can't be in your pocket, it can't be nowhere, right? So I don't know this. So I'm walking in, and as I'm walking in, I see like 40 phones just sitting on the floor, and I see another dude come pass and pull his phone out of his pocket and throw it on the floor. I'm like, well, I bet I better throw my phone on the floor too. You know, I'm not about to go and catch something, you know what I'm saying? So I think when you have a coach that is a player's coach, that's a good thing. But when you have a coach that's too much of a player's coach, that's a bad thing. Because now he's not going to go to that point of actually being that, that, you know, that. That disciplinarian, because he may want to keep a certain relationship with that player or not upset that player, who knows? You know what it may be.
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I would say we, we could go with this too, though, Debo, Mostly we're talking about star players here, because if you're not a good player and you're coming up late, you're not going to be there long, you know what I'm saying? So I think that most of the time you say you. Everybody gets treated fairly, but not everybody gets treated the same, right? The vets, they gotta show the respect and know vets, they get treated a certain way and you can respect that. Or you could try to get away with stuff because you know you're gonna be able to get away with stuff. And your team could look at it a certain way and just showing up late, that's just not the way that good vets are supposed to move, you know what I'm saying? Take advantage of their privilege, you know what I'm saying? Like, when I was in Cleveland, there was really no There was really no too much hierarchy, you know what I'm saying? You learn to get respect from somebody. Like you said, you learn trust in time. And then you could, you could. That's how you develop it. Like, in time. You have to show me that you're gonna be on time. You got to show me that you're gonna, like, be in the place you're supposed to be, and then I'll trust you, you know what I'm saying? To be able to give you some. Know that you have to develop. You're gonna be on time all the time. And I know this is just, this is the way that you are. So if something happens, then, I mean, this is, this. Oh, man, this isn't Joe. Something happened. Some matter of fact might have happened with his family. Let's make sure he's okay, you know what I'm saying? Not just. No, he just doesn't show up to these meetings because it might be a Friday, Thursday night. He goes out on Thursdays. He show up late to the special teams meeting. Like, that's just not a way, you know what I'm saying? You wanted to.
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Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year?
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I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously, the goal is a championship. That's. There's no doubt in that. And that's the goal.
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So when I'm reading into this is more like they're talking about good players trying to take advantage of knowing the coach is not going to be as hard on them, you know what I'm saying? And I don't think.
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Well, well, it's also, like you said, it's the coach, you know.
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Yeah, no, no, for sure, for sure.
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That, that doesn't, you know, do what is necessary. You know what I'm saying? I guess they said player driven leadership has always been emphasized under McDaniels. His style, as one current player described it, is laid back without being hands off. Former Dolphins player who played for McDaniels said coach was always open and vulnerable with his players, which he thinks players misconstrued as being soft. I very much think that is misconstrued as being so. Because you're in a game where it is a bunch of really aggressive alpha type males and any form, especially if, like, if I don't have a strong or I don't build. I ain't built a relationship with you, Joe. And you know, I go and I tell you something that, that you see a different side of me and you like, yo, he's maybe he a little soft, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a real thing. But you knowing me and me discussing something with you on, on a, on a more of a personal level, it's like, okay, he must really be going through something because I know this is not what he does.
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And he respects me enough to be like, man is the man. You're going to come to me and tell me something, you know what I'm saying? That you don't really talk about too much.
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So when you're a person that's just open and vulnerable to everyone. Yeah, I'm like, for me, that, that, that would seem, that would seem soft like. And I can see how, you know, like, like my mom told me when I was a kid, dude, she was like, they go take kindness for weakness. So that's why I was always kind of standoffish. Mean mugging. I had, you know, I got, I got rest in what they call, you know, yeah face. But that's, that's just me because that's what I was taught. They take kindness for weakness, you know, so, so don't run around here being happy and jolly and goo goo laughing. They looking at somebody they think they can get over in. And you know, that's just how I was, you know, that's how I was brought up. What do you think?
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I think that I feel this. I know exactly what you're saying. I think with, with this situation, I think that it's just so we talking about with Jalen and and Mike McDaniel.
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Yeah, yeah. With Mcdaniels and his situation of being, you know, they're saying he is being misconstrued as being soft. Him not being as disciplined and strict with his enforcement, you know, of not.
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You know, for sure, for sure, for sure. I think. I think that they can get that misconstrued. You know, like you said, it's a bunch of grown men. And the thing. And when you have a head coach that's kind of letting certain people get away with things and not holding them accountable, that could really just show a lack of discipline.
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It shows envy and jealousy to other guys, too, though. And then. And, well, it starts that with. With other guys. And then, you know, on top of that, some guys like, yo, well, if he letting him do that, I'm gonna do this.
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I'm gonna do that, too.
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And I'm gonna, like, if he don'.
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I'll give you a proper example, Debo. I'll speak it to when I really came. When I came to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've never not stayed in the hotel at a home game. That's something that everybody, no matter what, Phil Dawson, you're 15 years in. You better check into the hotel. You're gonna have your meetings there. At the home game and little late meetings, do your dinner and then bed check, you know what I'm saying? At the home games. When I came to Pittsburgh, the OGs, veterans, pounces, you know what I'm saying? After the whole meeting, they was like, oh, yeah, bet we going home. They're going home. They have a family. They like. Joe, what you about to do? I'm like, man, I don't know. Because the coach, they don't tell you, if you're a vet, you can stay. But that's just the way. That's an unknown, unwritten rule. You gotta be a vet. You're og, you can go stay at the crib. Do you know what I'm saying? So I was like, man, he's like, where you gonna go? I said, I'm gonna go home. The trust of Pouncey, you got grown men, they're not gonna go out to the club before the game. When we wake up early in the morning, I'm trying to go home, pick up my family, go get everybody, right? And then come back to the stadium. It's like, why am I making this ext step when you trust me as a man? I'm not going out. I'm not gonna go get seen. I'm trying to go take care of My body, go get my family, sleep in my own bed, and then head to the game, you know what I'm saying? Like, then when you see the young dudes, like, no, I'm behind the ghost. I'm staying my. No, you can't. You know what I'm saying? You're not a vet. You then you mess around, be out. You know what I'm saying? And that's just a whole different situation. The trust of them knowing, Joe, where you at? And then they will call, yo, I'm at the crib. I bet. See you tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? Like, that something that people could take advantage of. You could. As I wanted to. I could go out to the club. I could have went out, did something crazy and. But that's not professional. That's not what professionals do. My job is to get ready for the game, and Coach T, as a man, was letting me go home and take that step out of waking up super early, having to go to my crib, get my body worked on, get my family, bring them to the game, and then work that whole situation. He's like, no, Joe, you have a process. You going? You going. Where you going? To my family. See you tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? So that just was the respect factor. And like, other teams, they don't care. Phil Dawson was a grown man. He's not going to go out. But no matter what the Browns, like, I don't care. You play for the Browns, you're staying in this hotel with the team, period. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just. I don't care what you want.
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C
I ain't gonna lie. I like that. I like.
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B
I like.
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C
I like standing the team. I like. You're standing the team with the. You're staying in the hotel with the team. I. You're here to get a job done. Everything else outside of that should be not even a part of what we got going on. I understand. You got a family at home. You got to do this, you got to do that. You got to have wifey have everything set up ready and go. And so when you get there, everything is coordinated so that you can boom, bam, bam. Because I think when you get into situations like that, like you said, you're going to go home and. And stay there. But who says that the vet that's, you know, Joe Blow didn't decide the one time that he thought he had a soft game. Let me run down here with the boys real quick and be here or there now whether Word gets back or not. He gets. You know, he gets that privilege, and it's not like he's not gonna tell somebody. You know what I'm saying? So now the other guys is foaming at the mouth, waiting for their opportunity and chance to be a vet to do the same thing. So, like, situations like that, I'm like, nah, like when I played for Coward, I didn't care. It didn't matter. Bus. Jerome Bettis stayed in the hall of Famer. He stayed in the hotel.
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B
No, I wasn't.
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C
No going home.
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B
I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying that that's a bad thing either. I'm not saying it's a bad thing either. I'm. I'm just saying that it's a. I. I respect it, and especially if you want to be. That's the thing of taking advantage of your vetness. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you do have things that you can do, don't disrespect.
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C
But I think. I think also it puts. It puts guys in a position, especially if you're a vet, where. You know what, that night at the hotel before the game, I ain't got to worry about nothing at home. I ain't got to try and get. But you. You have the option. This is where. This is where it causes. I think it causes issues for the players and the family is. You don't have to stay there. Wife say, you ain't got to stay there. Why are you staying there? He don't want to say, I don't want to deal with this. It's a restful night. I want to get ready for. For. For. For the game. So now all of a sudden, maybe he got to go home when he.
- [29:16]
B
Ain'T want to see that. But look how. How is old? Because the old ladies. You talking about. What old ladies talking? Well, Joe, at the crib.
- [29:23]
C
Why? Right. At the crib, right. Oh, no, that's crazy.
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B
I feel you, though. They could. It could. Yeah. It just opens up another window. I'm just saying. I'm not knocking it. I feel where you're coming from because it gets to have other people just looking, trying to get to where they going. Why they getting to do other stuff. But that's why you say you get treating people fairly, but not everybody gets treated the same. I could see the same way of nobody can't go. You know what I'm saying? But then there's reasons why I would see why they could go. You Know what I'm saying? They gonna go to the crib. Like, even if they're legitimately gonna go. Cause these dudes do have stuff going on, or you don't have to go. It's just an option that I just thought was dope. That if you're on a team, that you can respect it best. Because that's just. That's. That's the relationship part where you can take advantage of it or you. Or you don't.
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C
No, for sure, for sure. Speaking of responsibilities, former Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce said it's foolishness to believe that Tom Brady won't use his access as a broadcaster to help the team. He said, this is unprecedented, what we're seeing. I think I would be uncomfortable if it was the other way around, to be honest with you, because you're not dealing with just a normal person. Tom Brady is elite of elite, one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players in the game. It's not hard for him to watch a few things on Friday or hear things in a production meeting and be like, have tidbits. You'd be foolish, he said. And you'd be foolish enough to think that he's not going to share with the Raiders because we had those conversations about certain things. My thing is this. I don't. I don't understand how, like, they're saying, oh, well, he can't go to the production meetings. He can, but you allow him to still interview them and talk to them. He's going to get the same thing with just. He just can't go to this. To the facility to do it. You know, he can't. He can't be at, you know, at the hotel to do it. Like. Yeah, but he still interviewed him. He can interview them off campus. I mean, off, off site, in person. Or he could talk to him and interview him. That way you're still getting that information. And for them to think that, like, you got a whole crew, like, it's Fox these. That's what these guys do. Even if he's not there, he didn't go to the practice. These guys, that's all they do is football. They're going to talk football. Even with him just sitting there with them, he's going to get things and he's going to be privileged to him. Like, when it comes down to him being in the actual booth on the headset, that is crazy. So now I'm just playing devil's advocate. He didn't tell a coach. He didn't say nothing to a coach.
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B
But he.
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C
On the headset, who actually is in communication with either the coach or a player. Who is he talking to? I don't know who he talks. Jerry Jones don't even get in the coach's box and put the headset on. But Tom, a minority owner is in the box with a headset on at the coach's box. Who is he talking to? Like, what is he saying? Like, I don't. This is. This is going to get, like, real. I think this is gonna get messier before it gets cleared up if they don't figure out something, because the next time this comes around, I don't. I don't know how they can not let whoever it may be do it. You know, what is your. Even, like, if it's me, you know what I'm saying? Like, me being James Harrison and I got that, you know, position. I got. I got. I got 375, you know, from Fox, and then I'm a minority owner of the team. I'm not gonna do it because they go bust my ass. You know what I'm saying? But if I'm Tom Brady, I'm Tom Brady. They love me. They fought for me to do this. Yeah, I might do it. I probably would do it. What they gonna do, go and find out that I did it and then have to tell that what we said he wasn't gonna do, he did. So if, you know, if it's. If I'm Tom, I might go ahead and do it.
- [33:22]
B
Where you at with, man? Tom showing us what he gonna do. Tom Brady going ahead and doing it. Like you said. They want him in here. They trying to bend the rules for him to be in there. I. I don't think.
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C
Not trying. They did.
- [33:34]
B
They did it. He's in there. He's. Now he's in the booth on the headset, like you said. Who is he talking to? I don't know. The quarterback, the coach. I don't know who he's talking to.
- [33:43]
C
And got his hand in everything, and he don't even do that with the.
- [33:46]
B
Production meetings and stuff and him not being able to be there, not being able to be present. So they're going to have production meetings also with his team before they get on the show. Just to talk, just to vibe, just to figure out what.
- [33:57]
C
But he gets to introduce. He gets. He still gets to talk to them. He's just not allowed to do it on site.
- [34:02]
B
Not that on site, no.
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C
So he could have them come to another site, or he could meet him at another site and Talk to him. Or he could still like. Like, I guess, phone or zoom, whatever it may be, and talk to him. He just can't be there. You're still getting the information, James.
- [34:15]
B
I'm saying the same thing you saying, brother. Hey, I'm saying the same thing you saying. I don't think that. I think Tom Brady's getting himself in a situation they. Well, like you said, they want him to be there. He's already there. I think that. As if I was in that position, too. I mean, he has two jobs. It's the owner of the team, the minority owner of the Raiders, and it's the CBS job where he's making, what is it, like 50%.
- [34:42]
C
He got three. He got 375 for 10. So about 37.
- [34:46]
B
37, five a year. He's going to have to. In my. I would have. You got to give up one. Because no matter what, if you stay doing the meetings, however you're doing those meetings, not being there, you're still being able to interview the people. There's going to be questions, and I don't know if he cares about. If he doesn't care about the questions, and he's going to go ahead and keep going through it. Tom Brady, shoot for it. But just know being in those production, not being in those production meetings, but still working for them, having two jobs at the same time, an owner and just having conflict of interest is going to be a question that people are going to ask. If you're not doing it, it just looks still crazy. So the questions that people are going to ask you aren't going to go anywhere if you're just continuing to work for two, like, spots, you know what I'm saying? It's just two.
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C
It's not even two. It's opposites. You actually getting. That'd be like you being able to go and interview everybody and then go play a game against these boys and you getting all the little nooks and crannies and you get all. Ask all the questions and they thinking, hey, it's, you know, it's. It's Joe, he ain't, you know, he. Well, would it be in time? You know, it's like, it's time, you know, I'm gonna tell him, you know, whatever, you know, blah, blah, blah. Especially young guys, they don't know no better. You know what I'm saying?
- [35:59]
B
I feel you, brother. I don't think it's a. I don't think it's gonna be. It's not going nowhere. The questions Aren't going nowhere. We're going to see, like, what the access looks like. And it's. It's just happening.
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C
Yeah, for sure. And. And what we were talking about the other day with the Eagles, they're. They're going to. They're going to take a close look at this Tush push. Now. The league officially is trying to make sure it doesn't happen again. They said it was a false start. That should have been called. So the league training video for officials, which gets shared with coaches and general managers included, showing the Eagles false start and an instruction that the officials ensure the offense isn't getting away with penalties on a Tush push. These dud line up in the neutral zone. They taking off first. They doing everything. Yes. They need to go ahead and put their eyes on that thing. Slow it down. You want to slow down anytime you got somebody getting hit and. And the defender barely grazes his helmet with the top of their thing. And the first thing to announce is to say, yep, that's. That. That was helmet. The helmet. Yeah. Yes. It's time for the offense to get the same thing and slow it down for y'. All. Like, I don't. I don't find no issue with it.
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B
I'm a thousand percent fine with this. It's just. Because it's just like. And you know what happens, too, when the league does stuff like this and makes. Sends out the videos and set out the films, it's going to get addressed, you know what I'm saying? So they're going to make sure they're going to have to line up the correct way. They're going to have to snap the ball. The center is going to have to be the first person to move the ball. So everybody fires off on the same time. I'm not against the Tush push at all. I'm just against. People line up offsides when I'm starting it. You know what I'm saying? Not legal. You know what I'm saying? If it's not a legal play, if you line up legally, everybody's head is behind the ball and the ball is snapped and y' all end up pushing people through because you can still push now. You know what I'm saying? So you can still get behind.
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C
I thought you wasn't allowed to push at one point. You couldn't.
- [37:50]
B
They said you weren't. Until 2005, they made a rule that. Cause they said the referees weren't able to tell or they couldn't. It was hard to make the call. So they just Got rid of it in 2005. So now you're able to push people in the back, you know what I'm saying? So now, since until they get rid of that rule, just take that out, you can tell if somebody's pushing somebody or pulling somebody forward. Like, I don't think that that call is that hard. So if they can add.
- [38:15]
C
I don't know. I. I agree with him. Like, you don't know if he's pushing or if he's trying to push somebody else that's on the side of him or something like that.
- [38:23]
B
Man, they all this damn slow motion. You can't tell somebody pushing somebody.
- [38:26]
C
Well, hey, hey, hey.
- [38:28]
B
Yeah. Hell no, Debo.
- [38:29]
C
They don't want. They don't want to slow that down. That might be. That's the difference between, you know, points and. And six points.
- [38:34]
B
So blow the whistle faster. Once a month is standing up. Blow the whistle. Stop letting all that little swaying and pushing and pulling. That's what get people hurt running up on the pile. They standing up in the office alignment, just running there and throw themselves in there. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, stop it. Blow the whistle, ref. He stood up. You know what I'm saying?
- [38:52]
C
I think something else they need to pay attention to is making sure the center is not all size. Like, he got this thing so deep under him, like, his head is over the ball like that.
- [39:02]
B
And if it's slow and if it's in slow and they're looking at the play and they see him with his.
- [39:06]
C
Head over flag, flag off, rip.
- [39:10]
B
What are we talking about?
- [39:12]
C
The percentage of the tush push? I. I believe will. Will drop significantly this year after they've made a conscious effort to actually point it out.
- [39:23]
B
I ain't. See, I ain't gonna lie, Debo. I. I don't think it's gonna change. I think they're gonna still just. I think they might line them up because they. I don't think they do it every single time that they just fire off. Off before.
- [39:34]
C
Dude, I saw two times they did it. The last time.
- [39:37]
B
Last time. One time.
- [39:38]
C
The one time wasn't that obvious, but that second time was.
- [39:42]
B
Second time was. Lately, Blair, it looked like.
- [39:45]
C
It looked like the center was trying to watch when they took off and then snap it. Like. I don't. You can't see that. You can't tell. It's so fast. They're slowing it down. Stop, bro. I don't even need to slow that down. I saw that. I saw that in Pittsburgh. I Saw that in real time, no question. Like, it's no way. It's no way, dude.
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A
Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year?
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C
I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day.
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B
Obviously the goal is a championship.
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C
There's no doubt in that. And that's the goal.
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A
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C
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A
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B
So to be here, I think it's.
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C
One that we definitely don't take for granted.
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A
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B
I think they're gonna.
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C
And for them to actually like have to admit it and then tell the people, oh yeah, we should have called that we missed it. Dude. They're gonna, they're gonna judge this way more strict. It's gonna be like when, when they started doing the so called player safety and boy, they was calling everything everything, man.
- [41:28]
B
It was the hit too hard Flag after that.
- [41:30]
C
That's it, that's what it turned into to hit too hard.
- [41:33]
B
You hit him too hard. Did he get up? Nope. Flag?
- [41:36]
C
Nope. Is he rolling around? Yep. Flag black. Get him. Get him up out of here.
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B
Get him up out of here.
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C
Get him up out of here, man.
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B
You go telling you that's what they was doing.
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C
Oh, man.
- [41:53]
B
Eagles win.
- [41:54]
C
So the Eagles are dialed 2 0, but their offense is less than impressive. Buddy.
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B
Yeah.
- [42:00]
C
Jalen says they ranked 29th in total offense, 31st in the passing. Jalen Hurst six, not even six. 5.6 yards per attempt is 24th. Who Hurt said he takes a. Takes a lot of accountability for a lot of it. And just how we go out there, because that's my job. My job is to go out there and be the general orchestra everything, generally orchestrate everything and ultimately make plays. What do you think he's playing well, or do you think he's just playing well because everything else around him is good enough to let him play the way he's been playing and come away with the wins?
- [42:48]
B
I think he's playing good enough to win. I think he's playing winning enough football. They have a great team. That's the good part. The thing that I realized about them is the Eagles are a solid team. They got special teams, they got defense, they got running game. They have, they have, they have the, they have the weapons. You know what I'm saying? So he's not asked to do as much as other quarterbacks are asked to do. So wanting his numbers to be crazy or wanting his numbers to be ridiculous, I think he's going to start getting into the groove right now. I'm not saying he's playing in any type of crazy way, but like we said before, it's so much easier to go and study the film and see what you did wrong from a win than a loss. And it's still only the second week of the season. They're 2 0, not 0 2, so it's not like they're nothing, like everything's falling apart. They still, he still can't improve in his passes. Obviously. They only had two passes over 15 yards this whole since the season started. So definitely just being able to get, get some more, give some more, give devonte some more opportunities, give some more deep passes down the field. I mean, it's not, it's nothing to panic about. But still, at the same time, he's never going to give you 400, 500 yards passing. He's going to always just make sure that the team is on. They stay above the chains and handing off to Saquon, making sure he converts and uses his legs and when they get tight, using that tush push, you know what I'm saying? So he's never really asked to do extremely too much, but when he is asked to do something like when it gets to the playoffs right now, this is the regular season, the beginning of the season. We know what Jalen Hurst is capable of. We know what their team has done before. So I'm not going to always like say, oh, no, Jaylen, your numbers aren't crazy. You're 2 0. You're figuring it out. It's the beginning of the season. I trust in you. I know you're watching tape. I know you're doing the, that need to be done for you to continue to get better throughout the season and hopefully try to get to the super bowl and win another one. Like, his goals are longer than just, oh, how am I looking? The first two games of the season. He's not tripping like he's been there before. People talk crap about him all the time, so I know he wants to do better. He knows that this isn't good enough. And he's probably the hardest critic on himself, too. He wants to be great. He understands that he has a great team and continuing to win is the main thing. If they were losing and he was playing bad, it'd be a whole different situation.
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C
Oh, it's always a whole different situation.
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B
You know, but at the same time. But that's what I'm saying. Him still being able to do this with a win and still continue to try to get better. He knows this isn't top. Jalen hurts. He's not playing at a MVP level right now, and I think he knows that. But continuing to win, it's a lot easier to work on what you're not doing so well when you're winning games.
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C
I think right now, like you said, he's doing what's necessary for them to win. Not hurting them may not be helping them all the time, but he's not hurting them. That's. That's a big thing. I mean, I think if you go back and you look at, like, I believe it was like the Ravens when they had. Was it doher or something trend. Was it. Who Was it the quarterback that Ravens ended up winning that super bowl with and the offense was like, not really that great, but the quarterback, he was just doing what was necessary. He wasn't really helping as much, but he wasn't hurting them and giving the defense, you know, the opportunities to go out there and. And basically close out a lot of the games. I think this is a little different situation, but kind of the same where, you know, he's not asked to do a lot. You got the offense right now. They're doing great with the running grain. You know, you got Saquon. He's doing.
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B
He's.
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C
He's doing a tremendous job. The offensive lines doing a tremendous job. So, you know, he's not. He's not called, like you said, to have to sit back there and go, you know, 30, 40 past the game. But, you know, when they get to that situation or if they ever do get to that situation, I should say, where the run is being stopped, you know, defense is playing stout. Do you think he can come in there? From what you've seen, you know, just these last few weeks, and you Know, win it with his arm from this last few weeks.
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B
No, but I seen him do it before and I believe that. I mean, I've seen him throw. I think him. Devontae AJ Brown still hasn't been getting the ball as much. He does have capable receivers, so I think we do. The run game is doing well, just opening up, taking the shots, being able to throw some more, giving more opportunities. He's not really even throwing those deep passes, you know what I'm saying? To become incomplete. So I think just opening it up, giving them a chance, giving them a shot down the field, and I think it'll work out. I would believe in Jalen Hurts. I know he's working his ass off and he's a solid player and they got good players around him and he's just working hard. So I think it's going. He has. Nothing but. Nothing but good is going to happen for Jalen, bro, In my opinion.
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C
Yeah. I think. I mean, as long as things keep going well with, you know, like you said, the defense and the special teams, then I think things will. Things will work themselves out. So listen, man, I went to the gym, right? Always go to the gym.
- [47:37]
B
You're always in the gym, right? Every day.
- [47:39]
C
So I went in there and I'm working out, right? And I'm looking at this dude and he got like this. He got like this cup. And I see the cup, and you know what I go, I gotta go get mine. I'm gonna show you. Go ahead, talk to the people. I'll be back.
- [47:57]
B
See Debo? Wow, man. He about to go get a cup. But who was I talking about? Devonte Smith. Jalen Hurts, hooped Bills. But look at the end of the day, the MVP of that game, James Cook, every tote was almost for a first down, but Josh Allen, with James Cook there is taking so much pressure. Josh Allen going to do what Josh Allen going to do. He's going to scramble, he's going to make passes, he's going to make plays. But with James Cook there running, like, looking so sweet, looking like the MVP, 10 carries a tote. That's my MVP of the gang.
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C
James Cook had like 7 for 71 at one point, bro. Bro.
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B
Every tote was first down every time.
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C
I couldn't find it anyway.
- [48:49]
B
Oh, you know, stepped off and didn't come back with nothing.
- [48:51]
C
I couldn't even find it. So it's a. It's like a mug, a little mug cup. And I see a dude and he got one. And I'm working out and I Saw with it. I saw what it said, right? So I had to tell him. I said, I don't know if you notice or not, but one of us being lied to. You know what I'm saying? And he was like, huh? I was like, I got that same cut. And they said, the greatest dad ever. So I gotta go talk to my kids after they get out of school and see what was going on. Was they lying to me or is that. That dude. The greatest dad ever. You know what I'm saying? I was trying to figure that out. Was kind of messing with me, that's all.
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B
Yeah, no, they got. See, look. They see. There's a whole contemplation going on because I got that same mug.
- [49:33]
C
You. You do too.
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B
So I'm trying to figure out who.
- [49:36]
C
Gave that to you, man.
- [49:38]
B
My Joey and my Jetty. My. My young bulls. Told me I'm the greatest dad.
- [49:41]
C
I don't know somebody. Anybody else got something out there like. Like that. Like.
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B
I think every.
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C
I thought it was just me. Damn, I was special.
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B
No, no, no.
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C
I wouldn't.
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B
Damn. You're the greatest dad in your household.
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C
In my household.
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B
That's what it is in the Harrison House. You that man.
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C
Oh, man. For sure. For sure. Now listen, what we got here is a failure to communicate on. That's not it. What you talking anyway?
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B
What you talking about? Nothing.
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C
I was talking to myself. I was looking at something.
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B
See, I'd be losing you sometimes.
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C
Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't something that I was. Anyway, hop off. What's the next thing?
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B
We got Super Chats.
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C
We got super Chats. I don't see it. If we got it. I don't see it.
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B
Okay. I got Super Chat.
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C
Joe.
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B
Go Super Chat. Nat said, James, just want to say your jersey was the first one I ever bought. Love the show. Very much. Love you both. Let's go.
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C
Let's go.
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B
Good man. Then we got Dr. L, Frankie and L. Bellamy said, keep going, guys. Over 24k subscribers and it's growing every day.
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C
24. We had 24 now.
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B
We had 24k. Debo.
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C
It gotta be 25 by now. We're gonna have at least get a. Get a G ball real quick.
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B
You gotta at least get a quarter at least.
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C
Gonna be. You ain't got no more, man.
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B
I got them. I got two right there right now.
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C
Debo, listen. No, sir.
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B
But you know what, though? You know what? You. So since let. What was your highlights of the game? I already told you. Who my highlights. Who my favorite player was. James Cook, who was yours.
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C
D. I'm thinking.
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B
Oh.
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C
Yeah, I gotta.
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B
You could probably go the same as me if you need to.
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C
No, no, I gotta. Well, yeah, I could, but, you know, Josh Allen was doing his thing, though, you know what I'm saying? Like, doing a little flip passes and all that other stuff. So I gotta. I kind of. I gotta give it to him. You know what I'm saying? Even though I. I ain't want to give it to him. You know, I feel like they kind of stole an MVP from a guy, Lamar, last year. But anyway, I'll give it to him. He. I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it to Josh.
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B
Oh, Lord. James, you got another one.
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C
What we got.
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B
Oh, Lord. See, I don't know if I'm ready for this one. You got. We gotta wait till I can't see it. Chris said today is apparently national Talk like a pirate day. We want James to do another weird voice at the end of the show.
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C
Oh, my God. I wasn't prepared for that one, buddy. I'll see what I can come up with, baby.
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B
Man, I know you got a name, you guys, I ain't gonna lie to you. I didn't know that. I didn't know that about you, brother. That was definitely not on my.
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C
Listen, man, I'm a.
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B
My uno car.
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C
I'm a train. I'm a train. I'm a trained actor. Trained.
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B
A little.
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C
A little bit trained, but not. Yeah, I'm a trained actor. I got my sad card and all that good stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, I do what I do.
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B
You don't got no sad. You gotta say.
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C
I do. Yeah.
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B
Oh, okay. Debo, you talk.
- [53:28]
C
Listen, man. Heels. H E E L S Hills. I believe it's on Netflix. Okay, look at season one. Season one, I'm in that. I play a character called Apocalypse Ever. I'm a train actress.
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B
I was.
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C
I was. I was a series regular.
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B
What?
- [53:52]
C
Yeah, season. Season one, though I wasn't in season two, you know.
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B
Did you die off?
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C
No, I wouldn't take the shot. Ah.
- [54:02]
B
Oh, you. What you were doing. It was doing. It was doing Covid.
- [54:06]
C
Oh, yeah, yeah, I did. In Atlanta.
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B
Okay.
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C
And set lockdown. Dude, whole. We had a whole gym with a wrestling ring and, you know, weight equipment and all that because, you know, you couldn't go nowhere. You couldn't do nothing. So we did all our training in there with each other and all that. So, yeah, you know, trying to make you wear. Make you wear masks and stuff, you know. All that like Debo, I am.
- [54:30]
B
You a man of many hats, bro.
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C
No question.
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B
Every time.
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C
Check it out though. You go watch that show.
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B
I'm gonna watch heels, man.
- [54:39]
C
Hey, you watch the show? You watch the show you've been watching? We're gonna talk about it next week. We talk about it on Monday. Whatever. I'm telling you, I'm decent in that thing too.
- [54:50]
B
No, for sure.
- [54:51]
C
Look at that. And you gonna be like, damn, I know Debo had that in him. Yeah, for sure.
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B
I'm a movie critique. For real.
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C
Okay.
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B
I'm a movie critic.
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C
Okay.
- [55:01]
B
Yeah.
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C
So, yeah, I'm need your boutique.
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B
I'll be critiquing people's stuff.
- [55:05]
C
Okay?
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B
So I'll let you know if it's.
- [55:07]
C
Good or not, man. Listen, man, you let me know. I'm tell you right now, man, you.
- [55:13]
B
Know, Even if it's not good, never tell you it's good.
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C
Listen, man, I'm telling you it's good. No, I want. I want the truth.
- [55:21]
B
I'm messing with you, brother.
- [55:23]
C
Honest opinion, truth, nothing but the truth.
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B
Always. Debo. Come on, man. My good man.
- [55:31]
C
Yeah, for sure. You, I mean, where you at? Virginia.
- [55:34]
B
I'm in Virginia, brother.
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C
Yeah, bro, that's so far away from Pittsburgh. You should feel safe giving me, you know, honest, honest. You know what I'm saying?
- [55:44]
B
Nah, Debo. See, that's what I'm saying. I'm not giving you the Addie. I'm just gonna tell you I'm Virginia. I don't know if Virginia beach or Tysons.
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C
Norfolk. Yeah, you got to search for me, buddy. After I give you this review, I'm gonna come find you, man. You gonna give me a hug after.
- [56:03]
B
I give you this review?
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C
I'm trying to tell you, man. Listen, I'm the coldest thing going. If they had ever really gave me a shot, you know what I'm saying? I'd easily be like the next Rock, just a little better, you know?
- [56:18]
B
You wrestle?
- [56:20]
C
Yeah, I did my own stunt. I did all my own stunts. Everything you see on there is me.
- [56:24]
B
And so heels. Heels is a wrestling move.
- [56:27]
C
Yeah, it's about like faces and heels. So like they're using that throw off. So it's about a family, two brothers that are trying to get their small time wrestling thing big, you know, and the characters around it and all that. So you gotta watch it.
- [56:45]
B
Oh, no, I'm gonna watch it for show, man, because I, you know, I used to get my Ray Mysterio Jr. On back in the day.
- [56:50]
C
Yeah, you got Stephen a Mill in it. You got Alexander Ludwig, you got Alan Maldonado, Chris Bauer, you have Mary McCormick. Is it Crystal? You know what? I have trouble remembering Crystal. Bernard, I believe. And it's a few other people in there, dude. But yeah, it's a. Yeah, it's a good show, man. Good cast. Michael Malley. Yeah. Is. Is a writer, director. You have. What's his name from. Oh.
- [57:34]
B
Oh.
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C
Why am I throwing a blank on his name right now?
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B
Is it a movie producer or something? Yeah, yeah, I'm.
- [57:44]
C
I. That.
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B
I'm not the one. I know Steven Spielberg.
- [57:48]
C
It was a superhero type thing. What's his name? Oh, man. What movie was it? Loki. Loki. Or is it not. Yeah, I think it was Loki. He. What's his name? I could see his face right now. Why am I throwing a blank? Anyway, that was like 20. 20, 20, 21, something like that. But why am I throwing a blank on his name right now?
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B
What's your favorite movie of all time, Debo?
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C
Life. Eddie Murray. Martin Lawrence.
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B
Great, Great dog.
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C
I still watch that.
- [58:23]
B
Oh.
- [58:24]
C
And catch little tidbits that I missed. And I don't watch this, like, probably like 150 times. You.
- [58:30]
B
Word for word, ball for borrowing it now.
- [58:32]
C
Gotta be Pete Siegel. That's his name.
- [58:36]
B
Pete Siegel.
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C
And Michael Waldron is the other. Yeah, that's who I'm thinking of. Michael Waldron is the Loki and Pete Siegel is the director. Waldron is writer. One of the writers, I believe. Okay. Yeah, you can't. You can't go wrong with. With that right there.
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B
Oh, no. Perfect. And I'm gonna watch that. I'm gonna watch that. I'm gonna watch that for sure. Debo, what's your favorite movie, man? What is my favorite movie? Life is up there, but I think my favorite movie, if I just had to ask, bro, it sounds. Green Mile.
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C
I just watched that last night. That's why you said Green Mile. I just saw.
- [59:16]
B
No brother, man. I know what you watch, Brother Debo. How much do you idea.
- [59:20]
C
You knew I watched it. No way.
- [59:22]
B
But I'm.
- [59:23]
C
Cameras, you got.
- [59:24]
B
Nah, man. But Green Mildew, that's one of my. That's probably my favorite movie, man. I love that movie.
- [59:33]
C
You got it, right? Yeah, I just want.
- [59:36]
B
Yeah, I know you said. I know that. That's a. That's.
- [59:38]
C
That's all right. I didn't.
- [59:40]
B
That's a classic.
- [59:41]
C
Yeah, I like. I like the laugh, though. I like to laugh. Ain't nothing to laugh about in that, baby. No, no, no.
- [59:52]
B
I like movies that make you think too. Like some other movies. Like, like you like the Departed was a good movie.
- [60:01]
C
Yeah, that was cool.
- [60:03]
B
I like the oceans too. I'm a big oceans fan.
- [60:07]
C
Oceans? Oh, Ocean.
- [60:09]
B
Like Ocean's Eleven.
- [60:10]
C
Yeah, okay, that's what I thought. 1375, they started getting oceaned out, though.
- [60:17]
B
They started, man, God damn. They went to ocean. There was a lot of oceans. Too many oceans.
- [60:25]
C
Hey, man, look here, man. After that one, man, we gonna go ahead and take off, man. Hey, we want to thank y' all for joining us. Joe, you ain't here. Not too bad. Hey, man, thank you for joining us on Devo and Joe Show. Man, hit the like button. Subscribe. We'll be back here again on Monday. What's today? Friday.
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B
Friday.
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C
Yes. We'll be back again on Monday after.
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B
A crazy week of football.
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C
Crazy week of football. Hey, make sure y' all go and watch heels on Netflix season one. Yes, Apocalypse. That's my character.
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B
Come in the chat and tell me what y' all think about Debo's performance on Monday. Let me know what y' all think.
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C
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A
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