Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Drake Maye & Patriots take down Giants + do Steelers have a culture issue?

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe: Reaction to Drake Maye & Patriots Take Down Giants + Do Steelers Have a Culture Issue?

Episode Air Date: December 2, 2025
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

In this episode, NFL greats James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden break down the New England Patriots’ dominant win over the New York Giants, analyze the performance and upside of young quarterback Drake Maye, question whether the Pittsburgh Steelers are experiencing a culture shift, and riff on several trending NFL stories. Their chemistry drives a lively, in-depth, and candid conversation balanced with insider anecdotes, on-field analysis, and plenty of humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Patriots vs. Giants: Game Breakdown

• Patriots Controlled Early and Never Looked Back

  • New England scored quickly, with a big kickoff return setting the tone.
    • "Patriots went on ahead and just beat the brakes—beat the brakes up off the Giants.” – Harrison (02:13)
  • Notable 94-yard punt return for a TD.
    • "This dude takes that thing 94 yards to the house." – Harrison (04:17)
  • The Giants struggled to get first downs or generate momentum.

• Physicality and Young QB Learning Curve

  • Discussion on quarterbacks exposing themselves to big hits:
    • "You want to go out there and try and do it like you did in college? Nah, these boys hittin' like grown men." – Harrison (03:46)
  • Importance of sliding and protecting oneself as a young QB.

2. Play Analysis & Memorable Moments

• Special Teams Impact

  • Early field position and long returns set up an easy lead.
  • 94-yard punt return and forced fumble on kickoff.

• Physical Hits & Consequences

  • Several hard, legal tackles; breakdown on when QBs "deserve" to get hit.
    • "You deserve every bit of that getting fired on." – Haden (05:07)
  • A Giants returner got “lawn-chaired” on a hit.
    • "He knocked paint off. He knocked the whole New York emblem off that boy." – Harrison (10:30)

• Comedy & Reactions

  • Both hosts crack up over blunders, like a field goal attempt that went terribly wrong.
    • "I've never seen that before in my life, dude." – Haden (08:47)

3. Drake Maye’s Progress and MVP Case

• Poise, Toughness, & Spreading the Ball
  • Maye’s ability to stand in the pocket, take hits, and execute.
    • "He's still standing in the pocket throwing that thing, dude." – Harrison (16:22)
  • Spreading the ball: No single standout WR, team effort.
    • "It's more of just everybody's doing their thing. Nobody—You don’t have to have a standout person.” – Haden (15:19)
• Overcoming Adversity
  • Maye has been sacked 40 times, yet delivers high completion, makes quick decisions, and leads offense.

4. Steelers' Culture: Is There a Shift?

• Brendan’s Comments on Steelers’ Defensive Struggles
  • The two parse a former Steelers player's cryptic tweet about things being "deeper" than they appear.
    • "He may just be, like, speaking on more of like a, a cultural difference." – Harrison (18:15)
• How Culture Evolves in NFL Teams
  • Discussion on generational handoff—older players setting norms, younger ones adapting or changing the locker room.
    • "Before you know it, you look 10 years down the road and it’s the whole group." – Harrison (23:02)
  • Role of leadership and OGs (veterans) in upholding standards.
    • "If you don’t have OGs...the whole culture is gone." – Haden (28:00)
• How Coaches Change Culture: Mike Vrabel Example
  • "He started with his coaches and then did it with his players. As soon as he took that job, what was the first thing he did?" – Harrison (24:10)
  • Bringing in/retaining the people that fit the desired culture; not just best players but character fits.

5. Around the League: Social Media & Locker Room Drama

• Dylan Gabriel’s Fiancée Causing Stir on Social Media
  • Debo and Joe debate when outside voices (wives, parents) publicly speak on team matters.
    • "As a man that is doing a job that she has not done...don’t think you can play in the NFL because your fiancé plays in the NFL." – Harrison (33:41)
  • Joe empathizes but says stay private: “She has every right to defend her man...don’t say anything because it gonna put him in a messed up position." – Haden (37:44)

6. Miscellaneous: Light-Hearted NFL Observations

• Egging the Eagles’ OC’s House
  • Laughs over reports of fans egging the Eagles OC’s home.
    • "If we got beef...I’m gonna egg your house. And if you catch me, I just have to have it power washed." – Harrison (44:26)
• Childhood Stories: Picking up Hitchhikers and Mouse Terrors
  • Tangent about being cautious in adulthood, contrasting with their upbringing.
    • "My dad would pick up hitchhikers...that was normal to me." – Harrison (50:14)
    • Discussion on irrational mouse phobias.

7. Quick Hits: NFL Storylines

• Physical DB Play: Lions Versus Cowboys
  • CD Lamb called facing the Lions' DBs “a boxing match—grown man game.” (53:13)
• Late Season Playoff Picture
  • The AFC is wide open—“Somebody gotta win it.” – Haden (55:24)
• Defensive Player of the Week Picks
  • Haden: Christian Benford, Bills.
  • Harrison: Micah Parsons, Cowboys ("8 tackles, 2½ sacks...” at 60:16)
• Myles Garrett’s Sack Race
  • “Go get you a six-piece, and after you get it, just walk out and just sit out.” – Harrison (62:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Young QBs Learning the Hard Way:
  "You want to compete...do it like you did it in college? Nah, these boys hittin' like grown men. They out here trying to feed families." – Harrison (03:46)

• On ‘Deserving to Get Hit’:
  "You deserve every bit of that. Getting fired on." – Haden (05:07)

• On Team Culture:
  "If you don’t have OGs that really come in and teach them…and rooks are not trying to learn...that’s when you got a draft. You got to draft them right." – Haden (28:55)

• On Social Media Drama:
  "You now think you have played in the NFL because your fiancé plays in the NFL. Now you know more because you are going to marry an NFL player? Nope. Nope." – Harrison (33:41)

• On Leadership:
  "The easiest way to lead is by example...Just see what I do and follow me." – Harrison (31:29)

• On OGs and Culture:
  "As much as the law, as much as the coaches...the players in the locker room create culture." – Haden (23:14)

• On AFC Playoff Picture:
  "We so dusty over here in the AFC, we looking crazy, like, somebody gotta win it." – Haden (55:24)

• On Defensive Players of the Week:
  "I just don't like the opponent he did it against, so I'm with Michael Parsons." – Harrison (60:01)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:13 – Patriots take early control over Giants
• 04:17 – 94-yard Patriots punt return TD
• 05:07 – Quarterbacks “deserve to get fired on” if not protecting themselves
• 10:30 – ("He knocked the whole New York emblem off that boy") – Big hit on Giants returner
• 14:53 – Drake Maye’s year two leap and mental toughness
• 16:22 – Discussion on Maye being sacked 40 times, still excelling
• 18:15 – Breaking down questions about Steelers’ culture
• 24:10 – Mike Vrabel’s approach to changing team culture
• 28:00 – OGs' responsibility to uphold team culture
• 33:41 – Social media drama with Dylan Gabriel’s fiancée
• 44:26 – Egging the Eagles OC's house: Debo’s comic take
• 53:13 – CD Lamb on facing Lions DBs: “Grown man game”
• 55:24 – AFC playoff chaos
• 60:01 – Defensive Player of the Week picks
• 62:16 – Milestone for Myles Garrett: “Go ahead get you a six-piece...”
• 64:39 – Farewell, banter, and closing jokes

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Tone & Style

The episode’s tone blends keen football analysis with good-natured banter, nostalgic anecdotes, and a layer of candid, often unfiltered, real talk about life inside and outside NFL locker rooms. Harrison brings a tough, direct edge, while Haden’s candor and humor keep things engaging and relatable.

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Conclusion

This episode is a must-listen for anyone who enjoys insightful football analysis and genuine insiders’ perspectives, with a healthy side of player storytelling and humor. Deebo and Joe's chemistry shines as they tackle game breakdowns, the importance of locker room culture, and the wildness of life around pro football.

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For more candid reactions and inside-the-locker-room stories, tune in Fridays for their next round of NFL talk.

Transcript

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[James Debo Harrison]

AI produced. Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Hey Joe, how you doing? Is J though you. You feeling good? You don't you done cooled off. You know your body temperature done then went back down.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, Debo, I ain't gonna lie. I'm still. I still got a little sweat dripping down from my arms and all. Man. I was panicking. I'm not gonna lie. It was running a little late. Wi fi cut out storm right before the show was supposed to start. So I ain't gonna lie to you. I was in full blown panic mode.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, we got it together though. We got it together. We here. Yes. Yes sir. Yes sir. Patriots went on ahead and just beat the brakes. Beat the brakes up off the Giants Man, I ain't gonna lie, bro. This was like probably one of the most enjoyable blowouts that I. That. That I got to see, you know? Yes. It didn't really get close. I mean, it was like maybe like 10 points at one time, like towards the end of the first quarter or something like that. New England get the ball the first possession. As soon as they get the kickoff, bruh, it's 40 yards. Dude strikes out on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Down to the 45 yard line off rip.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they. They get down, I think within the five or something like that. They stall out, they kick a field goal is 3 nothing. New York gets out there. I think that possession, they only completed one first down.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then the next first down, dude gets sacked like, dude get down. Like all these linemen getting upset over this. Dude.

[Joe Hayden]

That's when it started. The first. The first one, Debo, he got. He got. He got smacked.

[James Debo Harrison]

It wasn't even that hard because, dude, it. I think it sounded harder than what it was because when you see the replay, he barely hitting with part of his chest.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, this the first one when he like kind of slid. But yeah, the first one, he's already like. But that. But just off the rip.

[James Debo Harrison]

It ain't even a slide, bro. He was running and at the last second, he just tried to get down. He just tried to get down.

[Joe Hayden]

He got it. He got to protect himself, man. He's too small. Just be taking unnecessary hits all the way.

[James Debo Harrison]

But you know, that's young. You want to. You want to compete? You want to. You want to go out there and try and do it like you did it in college? Nah, these boys hitting like grown men. They out here trying to feed families.

[Joe Hayden]

They are, man. They want you to be out there running around, looking crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question, man. They punt the ball and the action started immediately. I'm thinking to myself, I ain't even gonna lie, bro. I'm like, why is he catching this inside the 10?

[Joe Hayden]

He had a lot of space and grass, so that's when I can dig it. If people are around, you let it go into the end zone. But if you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, I didn't see it until, like I said, I'm thinking it was gonna hang longer than what it did. You know, it come down and this dude takes that thing 94 yards to the house.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

Immediately, it's 10 to nothing. He got missing, got missing real fast, bro. He got missing. He got missing real fast. And now is where the second down comes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, this is the.

[James Debo Harrison]

This man dart takes off on the scramble and he gets fired. Boom. Oh, Lord. And I'm looking at it and I'm like, yeah, they go throw a flag. I. I know he in bounds. I'm looking at it. I'm like, I see the foot in bounds before they even did the slow mo. I'm like, I see the foot and bounce. He hasn't turned to like he was trying to go to the side.

[Joe Hayden]

He extra steps. What are you doing? He deserve. This is what I'm telling you. He deserved every bit of that. Getting fired. Yeah, you're a quarterback then that's the stuff. Like at the end of the day, that extra little two yards, you're gonna, it's gonna be third and one or third and four. Your longevity. You're a little dude. Linebackers are praying that you take that extra step in bounds so you can get fired on because you're inbounds. This is what we're looking for. They're grown men. They're coming for you. So the protection is if you step out and then we give you a little, give you a little something running to you, all that we know. We see you. But when you tap that corner, you have that option, that little two yard, that one second split second when you like, no, I'm going to just turn up instead of just going right out of bounds. You deserve to get fired on. You deserve all that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question. It was the 2nd and 11, 2nd and 12. He got 11. He got 11 of it. Got fired on. His homeboy 84 want to take you mad.

[Joe Hayden]

You trying to protect your man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Your man's got fired on because he did something goofy, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Your man got fired.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now you about to get fined because you wanted to go and fire on somebody that did something totally legal. So you go get. Fine. Okay? You go get this fine or what is it, Wednesday? They send them fines out Wednesday. Okay. And then on top of that, the next play, he got fired on. Yeah, he was coming across there. Dude fired on him.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. And that's the way you handle that. That's how you don't. He gave him a 15 yard penalty. It's about to be third and one. And now you made a second and 13 and get fired on.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, you get, you get, you get fired on. It's, it's, you know, it's over with. So they punt the rock. Drake may come out there and start doing a little Drake may thing. He go three or three. I think it was like 49 yards. Touchdown. I think he rushed for one for three yards on a Quarterback sneak. They end up. I think they going up now 17 to nothing. New York comes back out. I think they ended up making a little something out of it. Like, the first five plays, they ran like five runs straight. And then on the third down, they ended up getting the. The personal foul.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, to say the drive with the helmet. The helmet?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, the helmet. The helmet.

[Joe Hayden]

That was a great defensive play. But how you like, that's. I mean, that's just.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's bang, bang, like he's not even trying to hit him.

[Joe Hayden]

He's not. He wasn't trying. He's trying to literally look at the ball and have his eyes on the ball and go through there. So, I mean, it's bang, bang. That's. That's just like. That's unfortunate. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's not trying to.

[James Debo Harrison]

I mean, like you said, that's.

[Joe Hayden]

That.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's. That's part of the game.

[Joe Hayden]

That's part of the game. It's safety first, you got. But that's making DBs. End of the day, they gotta be. That's. That's so much skill to be able to really, like, slow down. You gotta look where you're going, put your hands, like, try to put your hands in between where the ball's coming to. Break that up. And not.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't even think he could have stopped from touching that' cause he had to slow down everything.

[Joe Hayden]

But I'm saying that's the crazy part. It's basically no way you can't get.

[James Debo Harrison]

Flagged for that next play. Dirk, he goes and throws a short one. Dude takes it 30 yards for the touchdown. This is the only touchdown they would get. They wouldn't get no closer. It ends up right there. I think it's 17 to 7 now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

New England gets back out there, they do a little something, but I think Drake gets sacked like, the third down.

[Joe Hayden]

They had a three and they punted at 25.

[James Debo Harrison]

25. Yes. I'm thinking, okay, now they got a. You know, they got a chance. Yo, what was Young Ho doing on that. On that third. On that field goal, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Chunky Monkey Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

What was that? I ain't never seen no kidding do that.

[Joe Hayden]

I never seen that a day in my life.

[James Debo Harrison]

I thought, dude might have, like, dropped the ball or something.

[Joe Hayden]

It looked the only, like, so, so deep. We're gonna talk about the real. He. He messed that up. I've never seen that before in my life. The ball moved a little bit at the bottom, so I can see if he like, but why did you come and hit your toe? That. That's the definition. Got turf toe. He jammed his foot into the ground, looking crazy, like, oh. Sprawling his body out. I'm like, I've never seen that before in my life, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know what. Maybe he wasn't in the right position or something to. To. To get it off, but the left.

[Joe Hayden]

Foot was right next to the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know, bro. You got. You got to swing that thing, man. That's a sack. They end up getting a sack.

[Joe Hayden]

That was crazy. That was crazy, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

They get the ball. First play, it's like. I think it's henderson for, like, 13.

[Joe Hayden]

That's when they finally put our man Henderson in. He wasn't in until they gave. Until this draft. And then he started getting active.

[James Debo Harrison]

He got. Yeah, he got. He got real active right there. And then I think they ended up. I think it was a holding.

[Joe Hayden]

They got a holding call.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that next play.

[Joe Hayden]

Wait a second. Second to 21. Hit booty.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. I think it was 13 for booty. And then 33. Beautiful ball. Great catch. Great throw.

[Joe Hayden]

Best. Best pass of the game. Best ball of the game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Great. Yeah. All that combined together, 24 to 7, the kickoff.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Same man, Debo. That's that same man that's sleeping everyone.

[James Debo Harrison]

Five, three. Put that. Ooh.

[Joe Hayden]

You better have your head on the swivel, quarterback.

[James Debo Harrison]

Put that nyquil on that returner, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo. Yes. And my wife was talking about.

[James Debo Harrison]

His mouthpiece popped out.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, that was paint.

[James Debo Harrison]

He knocked paint off. He knocked the whole New York emblem off that boy. Him.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, I hate to laugh because I hope he all right, man. He'll be good. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

But when he got up, he did not know where he was, where he was going to.

[Joe Hayden]

Sarah was like, this is he. My wife was like, is he okay? I said, baby, he's walking. He's a walking sleep, man. That's sleepwalking.

[James Debo Harrison]

I jumped and hollered, all right? No, I ain't gonna holler. I ain't gonna jump behind what I said. I ain't gonna drive behind what I said. But I holler for my son. I said, hey, don't watch the heat. I think we're looking at a dead body.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, bruh, you know, that's. But that. That's what. That's what it is. You are a. That's what I'm saying. And it's not a flag. You know why? Debo know you. You see everybody. You know what's going on? You run into another man that's like sees you, is ready to fire on.

[James Debo Harrison]

You, and he did not bend any part of his knees to get low into that contact. What are they thinking?

[Joe Hayden]

He lawn chaired that man Debo, and.

[James Debo Harrison]

He did not bend his knees. Man, how you running and you running into somebody, you don't bend your knees.

[Joe Hayden]

That man Ellis was out there hitting. They need to watch out. 53 and he was not doing anything illegal. He was out there. That's a tone setter.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question.

[Joe Hayden]

Somebody who you want on your team out that Joe. Like.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

It's contact. This is a physical game. They running around here. They see me like I'm right here. I'm not doing nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Why? Oh, right there. It's what? What?

[Joe Hayden]

You need to come here. Boom. Come get some of this. He was smacking folks, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, New England ended up getting three from that. It's. It's 20. It's 27. Three now.

[Joe Hayden]

27. 27.

[James Debo Harrison]

27 to 7. Sorry.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

27 to 7. They got three from that. It's 27 to 7. And New York, they get back out there like, what? What? Why don't you go for it?

[Joe Hayden]

What are you. Are you trying to win the game?

[James Debo Harrison]

They ain't trying to win the game.

[Joe Hayden]

Like that right there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like you trying to get them to jump off on 4th and 1. Come on, man. Down by you, down by you. Down by 20. Almost 21. You got almost 21. You trying to get him to jump off. Man, if you don't do that and go.

[Joe Hayden]

You don't do something.

[James Debo Harrison]

They punt the ball and allow New England to get back down there and score another three before halftime.

[Joe Hayden]

They what? They lucky. They had. They were lucky. They ran out of time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Walk that thing down there so quick.

[James Debo Harrison]

Super lucky.

[Joe Hayden]

Super lucky. They had time. It could have been worse.

[James Debo Harrison]

Way worse. 30 to 7, halftime. And then, you know, New York, they come back out there and they're able to put together some stuff, you know, here and there they score a touchdown, 15 to 30. I mean, really, nothing really happens after that. New England puts in another field goal later on through. Game ends. It's. It's 33 to 15. And dude, the Patriots, Patriots looking good, man. Like, they. They went out there in all three phases, brother. Yes. Special team, offense, defense. Jones took one 94 punt return. 94 to the house on the very first punt. And then late in the second quarter, hey, that forced fumble on that kickoff night night, man, I mean, covered it. Dude, the defense, they. They Shut down the Giants, just all together, I think they only had like 100, maybe 10 yards rushing. Dart was 139. I was hoping he was gonna get some more garbage time, but he didn't.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, man. That last drive, we only got 30 yards out of it. I'm like, God, I'm trying. I need a little bit more.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right, right.

[Joe Hayden]

He needed a little bit more. Look, I was counting down, like, this is exactly what we talked about. The plan is working out perfectly.

[James Debo Harrison]

He got 30, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, yo, come on, man. It was a chance.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure, for sure. And then, you know, Drake May is. Is eating, dude. He playing. He playing good, dude. He's playing extremely well. Just his ability to maneuver in the pocket and still keep his eyes downfield, dude, and actually throw the ball, you know, without being distracted when he's about to be hit or about to be sacked. All that. And now, you know, able to use his legs a little bit here. And this. Year two.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes. Year two. He's looking. He's looking way ahead of his years, bro, 1,000%. He's looking comfortable, he's being able, and at the same time, he don't have. It's not like, love Stefon Diggs, you know what I'm saying? Love Collins and those guys, but like, he doesn't have like a really, really great number one receiver that he could just go over there. Like, I'm gonna throw it up over.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ain't gonna lie, man. He got some good ones, though. I think.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's on committee. And just everybody. Nobody's just a standout. Everybody's doing their job, you know what I'm saying? Like me and where they got to be catching the ball, they're not dropping it, running their routes precise. It's more of just everybody's doing their thing. Nobody. You don't gotta do. You don't have to have a standout person. When everybody doing their thing, everybody's balling, everybody's handling their job. So it's making it easier on him. When I don't have to go to somebody every time I'm going to the open man. When defense needs me to go here, that's where I'm going to go. He's going to catch it and we're going to move on.

[James Debo Harrison]

He's going, he's going where the. Where. Where the defense dictates he has to go.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

And when he can't, you know, sometimes he got. He got, he got to take off. Sometimes he end up eating the sack, whatever that may be. And I know, you know, there's people out there talking about, you know, their schedule is weak and all this. Yeah, they benefit from that schedule somewhat, you know what I'm saying? But this dude has been sacked 40 times, bro, and he's still doing this. It's only two other quarterbacks I think that have been sacked more than him. And he's still standing in the pocket throwing that thing, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, his percentage, his. His completion rate, man. He's not.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

He's not going to.

[James Debo Harrison]

40 seconds, bro. And he's still doing that, throwing the.

[Joe Hayden]

Rock down the field.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's not just checkdowns, not, not just check down. That means he's seeing that he's making decisions fast because somebody getting hit that much and sacked that somebody getting sacked that much is getting hit probably more, you know, like defense too.

[Joe Hayden]

And they defense like Gonzalez, the guys. There's nobody really running as scot free, you know what I'm saying? They're just very, very disciplined. And when you are disciplined defense, a lot of good things are going to happen. Tip balls, people gonna be in the right places. You know what I'm saying? Don't. Don't just give it to him.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, nothing. Nothing should be given. You know, some. Some people feel like it may be. Need it should be given, but nothing, nothing is given. You gotta, you gotta earn and take. Especially if you're getting it from another team. You gotta earn and take anything it is that you. That you want to actually get and have somebody respect you for it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I think Drake May's balling though too. He's definitely. His MVP case is getting better and better.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. So the. I guess we had a former Steeler. How do you pronounce that last name? Brendan. What?

[Joe Hayden]

Bro, I'm the worst.

[James Debo Harrison]

He. Yeah, I'm. Dude, I'm worse than you. Yeah. So I guess he, he spoke out against how the defense was struggling, I guess. And he said this ish is deeper. This is deeper than you know. What do you, what do you think he's referring to or not? He's going back and forth with.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Trey, you have any other. You got deeper context? Because let me get your perspective on it first because I don't really know what Buddy was talking about.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think, I think he may just be like speaking on more of, of like a, a cultural difference. You know, I think he spent a little with the Chargers.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Anthony Lynn. I think it was for a hot minute.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, maybe from what he's seeing when he was in college to what he's seen there and now, you know, when he got to Pittsburgh, maybe he's seeing, you know, he's seeing something different than the culture that he's used to seeing. That's the only thing that I could, you know, that I could really think of in the situation.

[Joe Hayden]

Do you know when he played for the Steelers or when he was there.

[James Debo Harrison]

It was like practice squad on, off, it was 20, was it 22, 23, something like that? Okay, 22, 23, something like that. So. And you know, he's talking about, well, I'm not gonna say anything. I got people that's still there. I mean, it's understandable.

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[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure. The only thing. The only thing that when. When this happens, Debo, like, if he gonna come out and say some stuff, I need to know, say, what you gonna say? You know what I'm saying? So.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, you said he still got people there.

[Joe Hayden]

You know how they go, man, I know. I know how they go. But it puts us in the position to be like, the ones that gotta, like, just guess of what he's thinking, you know what I'm saying? So I kind of want to do the same thing. Like, we don't want to speak on things that we.

[James Debo Harrison]

I mean, yeah, he was only there in 23, and like I said, that's the only thing I can think of. Because a culture. A culture is something that is. Is usually, you know, hard to change because it just happens, like, over time. You know, you get. You get one. One person. You get two people, three people at a time. And now you got the old players that were. They're. They're leaving. And. And rather that is a good culture or bad culture that's being, you know, built there. You got the young players that are now looking at these new guys coming in and the young players that are rookies coming, and they seeing this, and they like, oh, this. This behavior right here is acceptable.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then before you know it, you look 10 years down the road and it's the whole group.

[Joe Hayden]

You are not lying.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right? And, you know, culture is culture, cultures.

[Joe Hayden]

As much as the law, as much as the coaches and all that. Then the players in the locker room that create culture, like, that's. That you have.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's. That's. That's part of the culture.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, no, for sure, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

As players, you know, you got. You got your older guys that. That built this type of culture. You got your younger guys that's coming in with something else. And as the transition happens, you got the younger guys coming in, seeing the guys that's there, and they're like, oh, this is what we do. And then the old guys are being phased out. So now, like I said, you turn around 10 years later, oh, it's culture that you once Saw is gone for sure. And that's something that. It slowly happens over time, you know, and it just. It just takes time. So, you know, I don't. You know what? I take that back. It can be done in New England. New England. It can be done. Mike Vrabel went in there and immediately changed the culture.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, he did.

[James Debo Harrison]

And you know how he did that? He started with his coaches and then did it with his players. As soon as he took that job, what was the first thing he did? He went and got him a OC and a DC that fit the culture that he wanted to create. Okay, now what did he do then? He said, okay, it's players, dude. He signed and released so many players that, dude, it was ridiculous in that first, like, five, six months that he got there at the beginning of. I believe it was jail. January just this year. January just this year, dude. He hired Josh McDaniel for the OC Terrell Williams for the DC and he actually kept the offensive coordinator because they was doing well. Makes sense. It's good to do, blah, blah, blah. Then he went and got a couple other coaches for, you know, positional things. The players he released, he signed, he did all that immediately. He done changed the culture. Okay? And this right here is like, a pure example, dude. Like, he played under Belichick, okay? Now, he never coached under Belichick, but he played under him so long, he knows. He sees. He understands how it works. You see what I'm saying? And from there, he built his. His own. His own thing and. And took it from there. Hell. And you know what? He even played. I think he played his first four years was under Bill Cower. So he. He done had 12 years.

[Joe Hayden]

You see and see the other.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, seeing the best. And then you look, you know, you look at him being under. Well, playing under Belichick. Belichick got what he had, 10, 12 head coaches that. That. That went on from his tenure.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, I was under one of them.

[James Debo Harrison]

He came from parcels as a DC with the. With the Giants. Like, that's a great coach, dude. That's a great coach. And that gets passed down. And you get used to seeing, okay, this is what the culture should be like, because this is what's successful. It's no longer about, okay, I need to get the best player. No, you don't need to get the best player. You need to get a player that can play. Of course, but the personality, yeah, the. The. The things that are going to help build and. And. And. And, you know, raise your locker room is is what you need. Like, all the intangibles that you can't. That you can't. You know, you have. You get a guy in there, and like you said, one dude can take and turn the next year into eight dudes. And those eight dudes can turn the next year into 16 dudes. And those can. Before you know it, the whole culture is gone. And what it was that was there before, whether it was good or bad, is gone. And now it's whatever the new coach has or wanted to build. And that's what you have then?

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure. Because, I mean, it's the same with, like, when I came to the Steelers, Debo, I knew it. With the. With the Pouncey twins. You know what I'm saying? The line. Roman Ramon, you know what I'm saying? Like, the old line, they had culture. They had things that they.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, where do you go? That came from, bro?

[Joe Hayden]

Where? The goons.

[James Debo Harrison]

I got that from. I got that from Peasy. I got that from all them.

[Joe Hayden]

See, so it was passed down.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's just.

[Joe Hayden]

That's. That's what I'm saying. And then when I came deep in front of the dbs with my man Will Gay with my good man, I'm like, goddamn having a. Even Rob G. Just the dudes that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Were doing that, he was under that. He was under that.

[Joe Hayden]

Everybody we knew, we had things that we did. That little db, little lunch when we had our little meeting that we did it. We ordered, like, Eddie V's, we did a steak. And that's when they ended up leaving. I kept that going. And then when Minka came in, we always did it, and people respected us because they like, no, this is the culture. This is what. And I just started doing it because that's what they did, and this is what it was. So I'm like, okay, boom. So it's just like. Like, if you don't have OGs that really come in and really teach them and not teach them in a bad way. And the other thing is, sometimes rooks are not trying to learn. They're not trying to hear that. It's a little different, right? These one New age dudes, that's when you got a draft. You got to draft them right to.

[James Debo Harrison]

Exactly.

[Joe Hayden]

That's listening. That's not coming in there thinking they can. They know everything. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

No question.

[Joe Hayden]

Humble, ready to listen, ready to grind. But, oh, geez, there's no disrespect. This is just. They teach it. They're not being. You know what I'm saying? Rude. Whatever. So I think it's a. It's a OG thing. It's a. Players that are really good with everybody else and just culture learning and just this the way it is. And we respect.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, yes, dude. Like, once you start getting rid of your, as we say, OGs, and then you're moving on to your younger guys. If your younger guys aren't characters that are going to build the culture that you want, then you're going to have to figure out how to. How to adjust that to get them adjust to it, or you let them adjust your culture. And you know what, man? And when you look at it right now, I feel like that's what we have. We done had a cultural thing that has just changed to the point that it's not really one.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? Like, even if you go back to when Minka was here, dude, Mika has spoke on it. I believe it was like our last home game last year, around this time in December, and he was saying. Something along the lines of, like, you know, guys come in and think, you know, it's just going to be given to him and you put the uniform on. He was saying the same stuff we're just talking about.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

And I think. I think that's the culture now. Everything is just handed to you. It's given to you. You're automatically made. You're here, you know, whatever that may be. And that's. That's. That's not what it is. Just because you put on that uniform, you. You get. Nah, don't nobody. Man, don't nobody fear coming to Hines Field no more. I mean, coming to Pittsburgh. Yeah, don't nobody feel coming to Pittsburgh no more, man. Back in the Back in the G, that was. Hey, coaches would tell. They tell their team, hey, you need two chin straps.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, you. That's legit, though.

[James Debo Harrison]

Legit straps, legit.

[Joe Hayden]

They're like, growing up, anytime you already knew what it was you was gonna get. He was gonna come out there and you was gonna get smacked. Somebody's head was gonna get hit all like. Y' all was out there laying, just smacking people just the way football was supposed to be played. It was going to tote the rock hard, running hard, hitting. You wasn't just gonna walk out of there. You know what I'm saying? You wasn't gonna tote the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

The easiest way to lead is by example, bro. I Ain't even gotta say nothing. Just see what I do and follow me.

[Joe Hayden]

Watch me, because I'm not a big talker. That wasn't what I did either, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, just see what I do.

[Joe Hayden]

Just watch this. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

You can talk all you want to, man. No, you gotta show if you're not doing it, you gotta show me.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't have nobody that's not doing nothing be a leader and talking too much. Why?

[James Debo Harrison]

What do you.

[Joe Hayden]

Shut up, do something.

[James Debo Harrison]

Or the guy that talks so much, but he ain't putting none of that work in.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, yeah, you can't.

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't. Listen, bro, you can't be coming over here talking goofy and correcting me on stuff that y' all know you can't. You can't. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't understand that. Right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, let's go over here to Cleveland, man. Dylan Gabriel's. Say. They said. They said she posted a tick tock saying my fiance. Of course they gotta. She gotta let people know that's my fiance. Dylan is not playing. I have thoughts on that, but I'm not going to share it. Then another one, Brown sloth was new. Yo, bro, how you feel about this? I'm dead. Like. And then she got into a little disagreement, like, with one of the comments, I guess, actually, everyone in the building wants him to. But, hey, why is she talking about. You wouldn't know that because you've never seen. In the NFL or been a coach, right?

[Joe Hayden]

See, you know, See, that's what I'm. I'm not. That's. Look, that's. I'm. That's. That's his. That's his old lady.

[James Debo Harrison]

Look at that. Look at that. You can't even say. You can't even say it's about to be.

[Joe Hayden]

Dylan Gabriel's wife. She has every right to defend her man and do whatever she got to do and say what she got, okay?

[James Debo Harrison]

So when these bullets start flying, she's.

[Joe Hayden]

The one I know for sure. But when I'm. I'm just gonna not speak on that because that's his old lady and she has every right to defend her man. And like, that's his wife. They got.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'll speak on it.

[Joe Hayden]

I just.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. As a man. As a man that is doing a job that she has not done, has not coached, has not played in. You now think you have played in the NFL because your fiance plays in the NFL. Now you know more because you are Going to marry an NFL player? Nope. Nope. And then on top of that, you're putting him in crosshairs.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I could.

[James Debo Harrison]

Putting him in the crosshairs because who else is he talking to while he's laying in the bed? No, actually, everyone in the building wants him to play. So who told you that? Were you in the building? Were you talking to other players? Were you talking to the coaches? I doubt it. 110% doubt you was in it. In talking to any coaches in. In the offices or to the up front. So that must be something he's telling you. So now you got him having to go back and answer to or have people looking at him a certain way now because you done said to her, oh, yeah, everybody want me to play. They just hating. You know what I'm saying? They want to get. They want to give him a chance. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

This is equivalent. Debo, do you think this is equivalent to, like, somebody's. Like when we talked about previously, people's fathers going out there and saying things about their sons?

[James Debo Harrison]

If my father. I'm just, you know, my father is a ex hall of Famer, he can say whatever you want to say. Put him up to it.

[Joe Hayden]

But what if your dad didn't play in the league? Okay, but what if he didn't play in the league?

[James Debo Harrison]

Did he play football?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he played football.

[James Debo Harrison]

He just played football.

[Joe Hayden]

The analyst.

[James Debo Harrison]

Did she play football?

[Joe Hayden]

Stephen A. Smith didn't play football.

[James Debo Harrison]

What did she analyze?

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, she didn't analyze nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Tell me where she was an analyst at. She coached the Powerpuff League.

[Joe Hayden]

No, Debo, she ain't coach nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, so what makes her qualified? Because her fiance is Dylan.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I'm. No, no, no, no, no. What makes any. If a dad play. If a dad didn't play in the league and his son. So if a dad didn't play. He played Little league football, that makes him qualified to be able to speak on it more than if somebody that didn't play football at all.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, literally, when you paraphrase my fiance to give yourself credit, I have a problem with that.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm not going out here and saying my defensive coordinator, Dick LeBeau. No, I'm coming as James Harrison. You had to paraphrase that so it gave you credibility.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean. No, I understand what you're saying, but I don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

I mean, I don't. I don't. I just. I just don't like this, bro. I don't. I don't like it at all. That that would be like.

[Joe Hayden]

It is. It is messy because flipping it around.

[James Debo Harrison]

And it being the other way. Yeah. Like you think. You think people ain't looking at him crazy right now?

[Joe Hayden]

A thousand percent. It's. Dude, I could agree right there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Where he goes to work every day. You think they ain't looking at him crazy right now. You think the other.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Wives or fiance's ain't looking at her crazy now because they listening to their husbands or fiance's. What are they talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. She don't need to say that. Yes, you what? What you're exactly right is position you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Don'T want to be in. You can't win. Understand? You want to defend your man, do it in private.

[Joe Hayden]

Do it in private. Because that's not going to help him at all either with that part. He got to answer to this. Who is he getting this from? He's not talking to the other coaches or not nobody else. The players. So he's going to go have to answer this because his fiance of who he's talking to is saying that friend. The locker room. Everybody wants me to play. How do you get this information? She must be. She's talking to you or she's not talking to Stefanski. I'm with you 1000% that this whole thing is not. It's not. It's not good for her to do it. But I can see. I'm just. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just.

[Joe Hayden]

Just don't say anything. It's hurt. It hurts your. It hurts your husband. I could know why she's defending him for sure. But don't say anything because it gonna put him in a messed up position.

[James Debo Harrison]

In the world that we're in now with social media, everybody.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the same thing with the dad getting mean. Don't do it.

[James Debo Harrison]

They're trying to go everywhere with this dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

And dude, it's now.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with you now. But yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Stop, bro. Like you talking about causing hav. You already got issues.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now you go add this on top of it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

What?

[Joe Hayden]

No. Yes, you. I'm with you on that. Debo. I'm with you on that for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Come on.

[Joe Hayden]

So I think it's messy. She making it. She just makes it more messy because it's like it already got a lot going on. Nobody else didn't need that. But I just, you know this old lady like. Yeah, you're right. We just don't. You just don't need it. It's extra. It's more drama.

[James Debo Harrison]

Super messy.

[Joe Hayden]

You.

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't get you can't. You can't get no more messier than that. Like, that's. That's straight up pillow talking at night. You're at night. Like, what's going. Hey, you got my husband between us. That's between us. Where. You know, everybody want me to start, but they hating. Why they hating? Tell me why they hating. What's the reason they hating? He ain't gonna say I'm playing like trash. Why they hating? Would that lead people to think. Joe, you already know.

[Joe Hayden]

I know.

[James Debo Harrison]

Especially as as much tension as we got around that issue. Come on, Joe. You know what they saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Not good. Yeah. Just.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, just go and do like what the Eagles fans did, man. And. And. And go a. The offensive coordinator.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

They called it vandalism. Yeah, vandalism. Get.

[Joe Hayden]

They hope they get locked up, man. That's crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Locked up for egging the house, bro. Come on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Just want to tell you something, boy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because he had some restitution or something, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Do you want people to come and egg your house? That's so.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't. I don't bother nobody. I don't bother nobody. If you come over to my house and come egg my. I want you locked. Why the you egg my house, bro?

[James Debo Harrison]

We used to egg. You ain't. See, you ain't from my. We used to egg each other for fun. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man, hell, no. I'm. No, man, I'm. I got down. Must be. I must be the police. I'm trying to mind my business. Are you trying to go X by crib? You muted. You muted, Debo. You muted. I can't hear you.

[James Debo Harrison]

I said. I said it might. It said it might have been some people that was my age that actually went and ate this house up. Because that's. That's something that, you know, people my age do, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

It could cause a lot of harm if you don't get it off in time.

[Joe Hayden]

So that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, you know, if I egg. Yo, I'm. Listen, I'm trying to cause you damage. If I egg your house when it's real cold or it's real hot, I egg your car when it's real hot.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

Trying to cause damage.

[Joe Hayden]

That's real damage. That's what I'm saying. Debo. You gotta. It's not.

[James Debo Harrison]

You ain't never toilet paper nobody's house, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

That's way better. C.P. don't get fined.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's funny, Eggs, but you know how hard you gotta throw that thing to get over top of this he probably got a house with a high roof. I throw this egg, I'm gonn I'm getting what I need and feel good.

[Joe Hayden]

If you get that egg, you're trying to really harm my house because I'm like just mess it. Mess it.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, I'm just trying to make you have to go get it power washed.

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[Joe Hayden]

See? No, Debo, no. That's. You disrespectful dog. Don't you talk getting people to egg people's houses.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, I'm just saying. Listen, man, you're proving it.

[Joe Hayden]

You're proving this message. Listen, right now.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, listen, I'm just trying to tell you, bro, if you and me got.

[Joe Hayden]

A little bit of beef, you're egging my crib, bruh.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie to you. Hey, okay, like, if we got, like, beef, like. Like, me and you, we had a situation going, whatever, and then, like, I'm just mad at you. We fell out and I want to piss you off. I'm gonna egg your house, and if you catch me, I just have to have it power washed. You know what I'm saying? But I'm an egg it, Joe. I ain't gonna lie. And I'm gonna sit there and you gonna call me like, man, you know somebody, man. Instead of. I'm gonna be like, what?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna know it's you if my head. If my house gets egged.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now, listen here, man. Too nice, Joe. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm a nice guy, Debo. I'm always worried about you. I'm. Now, now, I know you might egg me. Now you got me looking at you even more crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I ain't gonna. Listen, I ain't gonna do it too bad, like, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna make sure it's down on the first floor. I ain't gonna pop you all the way up on the second. I'm saying, man, I' ma just hit the window that way you can. You ain't you. When you hit the egg with the window, you ain't got to worry about too much damage.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, they say this it be your own man's. You ever heard them say that before?

[James Debo Harrison]

Beyond. Hey, be on blood, it'd be your own man's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. Got to be more careful.

[James Debo Harrison]

Did the Eagles fans get caught?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. I hope that big old house. I hope that big old house. He has cameras. Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Man, I hope you catch it. Listen, you think they about to follow everybody's camera, go knock door to door for egging?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, they're not going to take it seriously. They're not going to. Man. I know I'm being extra, but I just.

[James Debo Harrison]

Why are you so serious then?

[Joe Hayden]

You. Because I'm not trying to push houses getting eggs because I'm old now, man. I'm trying to just live a peaceful retired life, stay out the way. I don't bother nobody. I don't want nobody just running up on my house egging me.

[James Debo Harrison]

I understand. I. Listen, Joe. I understand what you're saying.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just trying, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, every. Every now and then, you might have to get some. Get back. A egg is really for me. If I egg your house, man, or if I egg your car. No, you're doing it 50 years old. Talk about. I'm gonna do it while you in it, Joe. I'm gonna hit your car while you rolling past. Cause you done flip me the bird, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. I would never flip you to bird. I'm not flipping you.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, ain't nothing wrong with it, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yes, I know what you're saying. You're gonna throw eggs at people that flip bird.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, hey, listen, I ain't gonna lie. I can't. I can't. I said you not people, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

I had. I had. I had somebody. I can't even say who it is, but it's somebody I know, okay? And somebody flipping the bird on the highway. Yes. This is wrong. This is reckless. I ain't gonna even lie to you. This is why I don't get fingers. That's why I don't get fingers on the highway.

[Joe Hayden]

No chilling.

[James Debo Harrison]

If they flip him bird on the highway, you know what he do? You drive in front of them, open the sunroof, toss out pennies. Toss out a handful of pennies.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my.

[James Debo Harrison]

You doing 70 miles an hour. Coming up, highway damage.

[Joe Hayden]

Who's who doing this depot.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know, I know. I know somebody to do it.

[Joe Hayden]

I knew somebody.

[James Debo Harrison]

Can't tell you who it is.

[Joe Hayden]

You know somebody. Do a lot of. You know somebody to do a lot of things. You know a lot of.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, listen, bro. I'm from Africa now. Crazy. Hey, that's ak Rowdy Roddy. West side, Summer County. Listen. Yeah, yeah. You better not flick off, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

So the pennies at your will, please.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, listen. And he say. He say don't. Don't let you be in nothing. That's. That's clean. He said he might. He might be willing to lose a bit of. A little bit of money and throw quotas out there, then CD BO.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. This one.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, this ain't me.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's why I'm telling you that we need to bring in more chiller energy into the world. Cause there's people like wild man Kenny that's throwing nickels and quarters at you if you flick somebody off. So just never know how somebody else's day is going to. Doing always. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Dang.

[Joe Hayden]

He's in a rush. He's having a bad day, right? Sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, I'm too old now. I don't even care no more. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm trying to tell. That's what I'm trying to get.

[James Debo Harrison]

I try and make sure, you know, I'm. I'm early when I need to go somewhere.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, I don't get behind that person that's driving five miles under the speed limit, and it makes you want to lose your mind. I'm like, you know what?

[Joe Hayden]

You know, whatever.

[James Debo Harrison]

They.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what?

[James Debo Harrison]

It's a. It's a Sunday drive, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

You know what? You know what? Debo? Maybe getting.

[James Debo Harrison]

I treat every day like a Sunday.

[Joe Hayden]

Sunday, relax.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, relax.

[Joe Hayden]

If you got two lanes, maybe get to the left lane, Go see. Make sure it's old lady. Hey, are you. Are you okay?

[James Debo Harrison]

Get.

[Joe Hayden]

Hopefully get there safely and you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Get there. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, I'm just trying to bring good.

[James Debo Harrison]

I. I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna really stop and help too many people.

[Joe Hayden]

No. Unless I'm not stopping.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie nobody. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a fact, man. No, no, no, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

It might be a setup they might. They might be waiting for. Back in the day, when my dad. When I was with my dad, my dad was.

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[James Debo Harrison]

He would a lot. He would deliver stuff. He was a dude. We picked up hitchhikers. I swear, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, that's a suicide mission, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

My dad would pick up now.

[Joe Hayden]

Now, if I see somebody standing over there like this, I'm like, this.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's how you got around, bruh?

[Joe Hayden]

Like, yeah, that's how you got around. Now we have Metro or somehow.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, dude, I would be. I'd be in a car. And that was. You know, I'm. I'm anywhere from like 12 to, like, 14, 15. At the time.

[Joe Hayden]

You're in the backseat next to, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, man, it'd be a work van, dude. So I would, like, just, you know, scoot over.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

And. And I got. I got old. Old. I don't know who this is. And that was like, normal to me. Like, okay, somebody need a Ride? You give them a ride? Oh, bruh. Dude, like, my dad, he was in the country, so.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, your dad's in the country. He ain't scared of nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, hey, listen, I ain't gonna lie. So as I got older, like, you.

[Joe Hayden]

Did it for a little bit sitting.

[James Debo Harrison]

There and I'm thinking, I'm like, yo, like, man, serial killers and all that, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, man, I think they're the hitchhikers. Hey, hey, listen, man. Listen, dude, I'm trying to tell you. And I'm like, this man was out here helping people get, like, actually picking up hitch. Dude, I'm talking about dudes that I would have pulled off from. Now I'm like, I'm not giving him no. Like this.

[Joe Hayden]

I hate to be like that with that, because I'm really nice person. Like, I don't want nothing, no harm. But I think sometimes, like, I have to have fear for my own life in my own family. You know what I'm saying? Like, they could be. Have bad intentions.

[James Debo Harrison]

When my dad was my age, dude, that man had no fear. Level zero. I don't know how. I don't know. I tell you one thing I'm scared to death of, though. Listen. It gonna sound crazy. Mice. A mouse.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my God.

[James Debo Harrison]

A mouse could cause that, man. Pull a gun on you, bro. I had, bro, I had hamsters right, when I was. When I was younger. And my hamster would get loose.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my God.

[James Debo Harrison]

And my dog. Listen, bro. And my dog, Brittany, Brick. He could smell him. He would find him. So I'd go and I'd be like, dad, hamster got loose. I'd be like, I think he in there, man. You'll get that up out of here right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, Paul. It'd be like that something, but like, little things. Yes, I can respect it all that, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

Anything that was like a mouse, dude, but you let. You let her. You let a mouse come up, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, my mom, bro, we had a mouse in our house when I was a kid. And my mom moved out. Out for a week until we, like. We had to get like, my. She was dead serious. She went to a hotel. And then we had to, like, move cribs. My mom was so scared of mice, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that's out of control, man. Look here, CD Lamb. He compared facing the Lions DBs to. To a boxing match. He says, grown man game.

[Joe Hayden]

Grown man game. Physical game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Physical game. He's saying the boys out there putting hands on people. People.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they're Trying to make sure the refs check. So you make sure. Any more. Any legal contacts. Need that. Need that.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question.

[Joe Hayden]

He's throwing it out there. Letting them know, hey, these boys beholding refs just throwing.

[James Debo Harrison]

I. I told boxing match out here swinging. They doing everything. Hey, he like it, though. He said he like it. That's what he looking for. He need that.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Want all that. I love that.

[Joe Hayden]

I know. I know. Who else like that? Yeah, I know. GP like that. He wants all that smoke.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question, man. MDB's over there. Do they do. Do a lot of men, they might want to slow that down a little bit because they getting all them crosses and everything going. What's going on over there, man? Like, at what point is my dude go realize you can't just be going for fourth down? Every, every. You getting too late in the season, man. You putting your team be going for it on fourth. You just let. You can't make it up now. You ain't got that time to make.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, sometimes you got to play the field position game. You can't just be loud there living on.

[James Debo Harrison]

Kick the field goal, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Points, points, points, points, points, points, points. It's too. It's late end of the season, all the points matter. It's so much harder to get them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, it's harder to get them. People are more stingy. They, they, they. They queuing in. We. We spending a little extra time to make sure, you know, and I had all this time to look at what you've been doing from the beginning of the season to now. They got, they got cues. Oh, yeah. This is this at 80. This is this at 75. You know, all that. So they, they queuing in on stuff, right? It gets a lot harder, man.

[Joe Hayden]

It does. And, but this the whole time. This is why I love this part of the season, though, Debo, because now everything matters. Like the end of this, the end of the season, everybody has to play the divisional game. So these six weeks, the playoff picture can look so much different. Different if you get hot and go four zero, you know what I'm saying? Right now you can do. Your whole situation could be so much better. Like, nobody's mathematically eliminated. Nobody's clinched in certain spots. Nobody's got the home field advantage. So with.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, we saw, we so dusty over.

[Joe Hayden]

Here in the afc, we looking crazy, like, somebody gotta win it. Somebody gotta win it. And they still looking at Cincinnati like, way back. But what I'm saying is, is you never know. Let them go 40 right now and we keep losing and nothing happens with the Ravens.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, what is their record?

[Joe Hayden]

They like 4 and 8, I think.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, How? They ain't even out of it. That's how.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm trying to say, Debo. Let them go ahead and go crazy for a couple weeks in a row and next mess around and play the last week and get in the playoffs.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm not gonna give myself up here and get hope again. I'm not. Because now I'm feeling hopeful again because I feel like, oh, 3 and 8, we ain't got to play them again, even though they got Joe back.

[Joe Hayden]

The only thing I'm thinking.

[James Debo Harrison]

But look.

[Joe Hayden]

Look at when we get in there and we gonna play versus them boys. We gonna have to. Like, the thing is, like you said, once you get into the dance, all you gotta do is go 3, 4, 0, and you win the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying? Get high. Just win. Just all you got. Go one zero this week, Go one and zero this week. Win four straight games, go four, zero. Nobody knows about nothing. We start off zero, zero. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's why everybody kind of can believe. But you go 0 and 1 the last six times we've been in the joint. So you. You get hypey.

[James Debo Harrison]

Quick run.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man. Game like, it's still tight.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. You gotta. You gotta make it into that. You gotta make it into that fight.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta make it to the dance.

[James Debo Harrison]

People don't realize how hard it is to make it into the dance, though. Especially when you made the year before. A lot of people come back and think, oh, it's just gonna be given to you. You're just gonna make it because you made it last year. Nope.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope.

[James Debo Harrison]

No. Every year you gotta. You gotta get in there and you gotta earn it. And especially if you had a good year, now everybody's shooting for you. You getting that best shot, getting their best shot. They ready for you 100%, bruh. When you look at, like, the example that. That I use is, like, when I went to Cincinnati in 13, like, what? Nobody really counting on Cincinnati to do nothing. Like, we ended up taking the North. The defense was, like, ranked third. Like, it was crazy. And I think that was the same year that the Steelers. I don't even think they even made the playoffs that year. I think they. That was the. Yes. That was the year they lost, like, four or five in a row at the beginning of the year. And that was. Dude, that was the start of basically a. A Switch a. A shift. You know what I'm saying? Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

When you think down. When things.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, yeah, definitely. I think maybe it started in 12, to be honest with you. But I know in 13, on defensive side, it was guys playing that shouldn't have been playing because they weren't ready to play, but they were. They were. They were put in the position. And some of them, I. I talked to one cat when I got back in 14 was like, yo, they just put me out there. I wasn't ready. I didn't know what I was doing. Dude had 19 me's in one game, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, that's ridiculous.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, like, I think it was two or three rookies at that time that ended up starting on that defense. Coastal Bowls defense don't start rookies, bro. That's not what it is. But it's just the D coordinator, so you got to do which superiors have you do. And that's what it came down to. And now, you know, it went from 13. Like when I left in 12, that was the number one defense. 13. It ended up being. I think it went down to 13, and then Cincy ended up being number three. And then in, I want to say 18, when I came back in 14, it was an 18 defense, 21. And then it started going back up from there where you had a span of like four or five years. That was, you know, it was like a five, six, five, three. Again.

[Joe Hayden]

That's when I came. That's when I was there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. So the, you know, the. The changes, you know, of what it is that you're building or not building, and you know what came from it. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who is your defensive player of the week? Who you got? What team? Just tell me what team?

[Joe Hayden]

Buffalo Bills.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, who?

[Joe Hayden]

Christian Benford, the corner buddy, had the sideline pick and then had the scoop and score for the touchdown.

[James Debo Harrison]

I like it.

[Joe Hayden]

He balled out, man. He did it right in front of me. He did it right in front of my eyes.

[James Debo Harrison]

I just don't like the opponent he did it against. So I'm with Michael Parsons.

[Joe Hayden]

That was the other one. That's a good pick.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. I got to go with Michael Parsons.

[Joe Hayden]

Respectfully, he balled out.

[James Debo Harrison]

We had like a. 8 tackles, 2 and a half sacks. Yeah, he bought a pressure.

[Joe Hayden]

They sack when he had pressures and he made sacks on big time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

He then finished the game out with.

[James Debo Harrison]

The joint question, man, who the Browns got this week, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Got to be more careful. That's crazy. I don't know if.

[James Debo Harrison]

Come on, man. If y' all don't win this one, man, you already know what game this is, bro. This could be the game. Miles Garrett, break the record. It's only two other quarterbacks that got more sacks than. Than.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man, the Titans. Oh, we about to go crazy on war, man. That's so sad.

[James Debo Harrison]

Where are you at? 18, man?

[Joe Hayden]

He had 18 or no. Is he at 19?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, 19.

[Joe Hayden]

I think he had 19.

[James Debo Harrison]

He had 19.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, 19.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, my.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. And listen, he go get.

[Joe Hayden]

He gonna get 20.

[James Debo Harrison]

He gonna get 25. He gonna end this week going for 25. 25.

[Joe Hayden]

You see he putting them on. He wears it on his little wristband. He got the tape on there with the 25 on it.

[James Debo Harrison]

It.

[Joe Hayden]

He's shooting for it.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't picking him for defensive player of the week unless he get 25. I don't care if he get. I don't care if he get five. If he don't get six, I ain't picking it for this player. Defensive player of the week next week because you should have went on and got 20.

[Joe Hayden]

You want him to go get the. You want him to go get the record? Just right now it's the Titans, bro. Come on. You did not look. That's how. You know. That man's so nice. You just forcing, like, where you think you like gonna go get five sacks?

[James Debo Harrison]

It's at the crib.

[Joe Hayden]

That's correct.

[James Debo Harrison]

They done gave up, what, 46, 48.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, the team.

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't get a six piece, Miles. Come on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You're talking about crazy. The defense, the defense probably gonna get six, Miles. Probably get three of them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Nah, nah. Miles, listen, man, Go ahead, get you a six piece, and after you get it, just walk out and just sit out. I don't care if it's the third quarter, just sit out the rest of the game. Just. Just. And then do your wrist, like, six times just the whole time for the rest of the game. Just do it like that.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man. Let's go get a dub. Let's go ahead and Shador is going to beat the number one overall pick and then talk about the Titans. Go ahead. Be war.

[James Debo Harrison]

We. We gotta. We gotta go over here to. We gotta go over here to Baltimore. Angle lie. I'm hopeful a little now because the Ravens been playing trash. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

My man. My good man Lamar. I hope he's okay, but. You know what I'm saying. But he. Yeah, but.

[James Debo Harrison]

But the Ravens did put out forest fires. I mean, raging forest fires last week.

[Joe Hayden]

Defense, they last couple of weeks they've been balling defense.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't. I don't. I don't need that defense to be playing like that against us.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. And our offense hasn't been looking too good against bad defenses. So we got the hope. We got the hope.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who.

[Joe Hayden]

Who's. Who's gonna be starting quarterback for us this week?

[James Debo Harrison]

Do it matter? Do we matter?

[Joe Hayden]

That's a good question.

[James Debo Harrison]

Our offensive scheme. It is, dude. Do it matter?

[Joe Hayden]

Nope.

[James Debo Harrison]

What's gonna happen? What's gonna change? What's gonna change? What's gonna change? Dude, we still got. We don't pass and everything right quick. Yeah, we can't. What?

[Joe Hayden]

I. You're right. I'm trying to think of what we got to do. I'm trying to think. We still, like. We got dk, and he hasn't been. We got dk.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ain't gonna be able to get nothing because it's only dk. I'm gonna double dk. DK ain't gonna be able to pistol drop if I'm another team. I don't care about nothing else. I gotta look to double him. You're gonna. You're gonna have to prove to me you could beat me with everybody else.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, well, then keep throwing it to Washington. Jalen, Gainwell, Lyon. Just gotta make some holes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, you know what? This is what we gonna do.

[Joe Hayden]

What we gonna do deep.

[James Debo Harrison]

We'll talk about this on Friday. We'll talk about this on Friday. Yeah. Right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Early. It's too early.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right now. This is what we want to do. I want to thank you guys for coming on and joining us. Even though Joe was running around sweating. Nervous, nervous hooker in church.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, Joe, listen, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Real time in real time. I was stressed out.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm trying to tell you, man. You're my guy, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you, brother.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, I kill. I kill everything over you, Even a rock. But if you ever cross me, I kill you with the rock.

[Joe Hayden]

Something's wrong with you, bro. Seriously. Love you, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right, well, I love you too. And we out. Ah, greetings from my bath festive friends.

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