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Joe
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Debo
Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Subscribe. How you, how you doing today Joe?
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Joe
Man, I'm doing good Deebo. You know I'm doing good. I'm happy that we back you know, live today. I know you've messed up the whole wifi system yesterday you didn't want to talk about no brownies. So I'm glad to be back here with you so we can talk. This good football.
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Debo
The Browns, you know that's gonna have to wait. That's the kind of old news if we get to it. We get to it. But we gotta talk, we gotta talk about these Lions.
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Joe
You know we gotta talk about the Monday night first.
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Debo
We we got to the Lions went on head out there and they they they put they they put their hands on, on Detroit first possession they pop out and they hit one for 30 and 27. Little short window that went for 27 for a tutty. Jumped on their neck immediately seven nothing bro.
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Joe
Yeah it was Amaranth St. Brown tutty off, rips.
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Debo
Oh, yeah, it was, it was good. Then Tampa come out there, they can't, they can't do nothing. The defense was doing they thing, you know, they bop them three and out immediately. You know, Detroit comes back out there and man sack, fumble.
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Joe
Dude, Tampa, the defense was playing well. Yeah, it's playing well. Early.
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Debo
Now, I don't know about too good early. They did enough early to make sure it didn't get too reckless, that it didn't get out of pocket.
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Joe
The line, the lines helped him out. But, you know, there was a little bit of turnovers. I mean, something.
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Debo
Yeah, but then on that turnover, they same thing. It was another three out. They didn't, they didn't do anything, you know, to convert on it. And then the following possession, Detroit goes and they go for, you know, for four on fourth at the 12 yard line and don't convert.
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Joe
Wilding out.
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Debo
Yeah, I mean, you know, that's, that's what he does, though.
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Joe
That's for sure.
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Debo
They do.
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Joe
No, no, he wasn't wilding out. I like that. I like that. He's aggressive. He believes in the squad.
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Debo
Yeah. And then like you said, the defense was playing, you know, you just got punt, punt, punt. You know, Detroit gets back out there and that man Gibbs went on ahead and showed him with 22, 22 miles an hour. 70, the same thing. He couldn't even catch him.
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Joe
Yeah, he had the angle. He ran away from his angle.
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Debo
Broke his angle.
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Joe
Ran, broke his angle. Yeah, Gibbs got, Gibbs has speed. Gibbs got Olympics.
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Debo
As soon as I saw him let loose, I was like, oh, he gone, he gone, he gone.
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Joe
Oh, yeah, that dude, 22,000 hours. He was floating, bro. He was floating.
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Debo
I said, he gone, man. Detroit get down there right before, I think the two minute they kick a field goal and they missed the field goal. Dude. Yes, that was big.
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Joe
Oh, no.
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Debo
Then we went, yep, yep, that was big. And then, you know, they get back, they able to stop them, but Tampa, they interception come back through Detroit. Say, you know what, man, I'm. I'm gonna have to return the favor.
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Joe
Do it right back.
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Debo
Do it right back to him.
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Joe
Right back to him.
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Debo
Do it right back to him. Tampa. Tampa able to go down there and get a, get a quick, get a quick three.
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Joe
Three before.
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Debo
Yep, they get a quick three points. Now it's three to 14. You know, looking at it from, you know, just a halftime thing, you looking like, yo, this game should have been way more out of control than, than what it Ended up being, you know, 3 to 14 right there at the half.
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Joe
Yeah.
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Debo
And you have Tampa, they come out, you know, beginning of that, I believe, again, that third quarter, they drive down the field, they score a touchdown, but they end up going for that two. They missed it, too.
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Joe
That dude, Ted Johnson, 15 with that athletic play, catching it, jumping over people, getting into the zone. That was fire.
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Debo
Yeah, but Detroit comes right back, bro.
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Joe
They answer, bro, Gibbs the whole way, bro. Gibbs was running through them dudes, bro.
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Debo
The whole time having, like, having to feel like, dude. 21 to 219 now. Yep. And then later, Tampa goes for it. They get it. They think they got it.
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Joe
But later on the review, I thought he got it.
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Debo
I didn't think he got it.
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Joe
You didn't think he got it?
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Debo
Knee actually touched the ground. The ball is short. You can see it right there. Especially when they got that. That side view right there. You can see it like he's like, that far from. From the line, but that's. You know what I'm saying? That's.
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Joe
Yeah. No, that's what matters. Yep, yep, yep. Game.
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Debo
Yeah. Yeah. So that's short. They're able to, you know, go ahead and bank in the.
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Joe
The joint. Joint.
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Debo
Bank. Bank the field goal. So that. That's. That's right there. That put them up 24 to nine. And Tampa goes. And they do a 19 plays, dude, convert two of the two fourth downs. Okay. And then they use up, I think, almost six minutes. But on the third, fourth down, they don't convert it. They get no points. They done used up so much clock, you know, that they're able to, you know, get the ball back, but basically, you know, it's over from there. Yep.
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Joe
They get another turnover on downs.
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Debo
Yeah. And they, you know, they end up running the clock out, but dude gives 17, 136 on the rush, another 3 for 82 on receiving. This dude had 218 yards total, bro. And then, like, he almost had more than all of Tampa had had together. St. Brown went on here, added another 6 for 86. Detroit's offensive line was working, doing anything. The defensive line was working, doing anything. Had Baker under pressure all night, dude. He couldn't. He couldn't step into a lot of his throws. And then some of the throws that, you know, he could step in or couldn't step into, he was just trying to fire him so hard that he was just making high throws to where, you know, the guys just couldn't even, you know, get. Get up to him and get. And catch him. And the DBs, dude, the DBs for, for Detroit, they did they thing, dude, bro. Yes. How many starters was in there, bro? It wasn't what, maybe what, one or two of them.
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Joe
One or two. And my man 23, he was out there walking. He wasn't even supposed to be out there playing, balling, making plays, you know what I'm saying? Making plays on the ball. And they're aggressive. I like the way that they get after people punching, stripping the balls out. Like I. My man Sterling shepherd, he caught it and then they were able to just. They're ball hawking, they're going after the ball. They're not just having.
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Debo
They're not just tackling. They. They tack. They sureing the tackle and punching the ball, dude.
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Joe
First man, secure. Second man, get the rock like you.
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Debo
See them, dude, they doing it by themselves. Secure and punch, dude. He was like, get that back.
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Joe
I need that. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Detroit was balling. And that's why, that's why I think that team did that, because it's an offense and defense. I think they left a lot of things on the table, you know what I'm saying? But they're aggressive team going forward on some of the fourth downs, golf, throwing some invalid interceptions, you know what I'm saying? That normally doesn't happen. But you see when they start giving the ball to Gibbs, get the ball in his hands, let that thing go and then play action and throw it to Amaranth Brown, you know what I'm saying? He's very. They have so many.
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Debo
You got to realize they got a two headed monster over there. They. They got Montgomery.
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Joe
They do.
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Debo
Usually if one ain't going, the other one is. So it's kind of hard to bottle up, you know, two guys like that. Especially when you're giving them enough, you know, you giving them enough touches, you know, it's hard to keep that going. You know, I'm.
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Joe
I'm rocking with what I see with Detroit though. They look like a really good team. I'm saying they had a couple little miscues, you know what I'm saying? That that game couldn't have. It didn't have to be that close, you know what I'm saying? I thought that blow them dudes completely out because every time they thought they was going to get a chance that defense will make a play and get a ball back to the offense, they're like, all right, bet. Now we're going to go handle this. So, I mean, shout out to the Lions. They look Good with.
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Debo
I'm not, I'm not discouraged with Tampa. Everybody's like, oh, Baker this. I'm not, no, I'm not, I'm not tripping on that. It's not, it's not going to be every that you go get that, that amount of pressure on him and have him have that many high Aaron throws. Like, you know, I still, I still believe, you know, Baker is still, you know, one of the top guys this year, so.
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Joe
Yeah, me too. And then also him, him out there with, he was still trying to do it with Mike Evans. That was kind of not healthy and him hurting himself, man, shout out to Mike. I hope that he's able to heal. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. You got to get his surgery or whatever it is.
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Debo
Yeah, he broke his clavicle.
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Joe
You hate to see, you hate. I hate to see that because he's a, you know, he's a ball. A great dude. But just that that's another reason why like he, him and Buka was a little injured too out there. So just I believe in Baker, I believe in offense. This is a one time thing.
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Debo
The whole secondary of Detroit was, was depleted.
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Joe
Now that's their next, their next man up balling and they've been doing that for a while. You know, they, they, they were stepping by injuries last year, you know what I'm saying? And then people just, I, I love, they're in my opinion too. So I think that coach got next man up. These dudes better be ready to go. And I think that they're showing it.
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Debo
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That's something, that's something that everybody gives a lip service to, but there's very few that can go in there and, and, and get it done and get some semblance of, you know, the guy that they're, they're replacing, you know, especially once they're getting into, you know, they're bringing up practice squad guys and all that other stuff too. You know, like that, that was, that was wild, bro. To see that performance.
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Joe
It's kind of, I think that's, that's an example of for sure like next man up. But like you said too, your coaches have to be able to like you got to have them dudes ready to play. You're not just throwing them out there doing this looks ready.
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Debo
You know what I like about Detroit is a lot of their coaches are former players and when you have a coach coaching a position or a side of a ball that has played that position, that side of the ball for him to give you the nuances of the position. You know, for me, Coach Butler, I give him. I give Coach Butts all the credit for developing me as a linebacker. Like, he's the guy that taught me to, you know, play something like this or what's the difficulties of this? And knowing that, you know what, this is going to be hard to do, but it's difficulties in everybody's position and job, and that's something you're going to go out there and you're going to have to do and being able to just foot positioning of being lined up to where. Okay, I'm gonna make this job easier. Like, instead of lining up with my, you know, outside. Outside foot up and, you know, I'm going to rush the passer. That means I got to step with my inside foot first. So if he actually comes to hook me, I just helped him hook me because I stepping with the opposite foot. That's why you always supposed to line up with your inside foot up, because your first step is you're outside. So if he's coming to hook you, you can jam him and stay there. If he's blocking down your planet to be able to squeeze down and close off that gap, like, you know, it's things like that. And they have a lot of coaches. They got. I believe they got the. Shay Townsend, he's the. He's the db. DB coach. I believe they have Antoine Randall. I believe he's over there, too. Yeah, the D coordinator is a former linebacker. You know, like. Like when you. And when you look at his, you know, just how long has he been there in Detroit, the head coach, when you, when you look at his coaching tree, like, it's spread out. And he's only been there, what, six years or so? Yeah, four or five, something like that. Four to six years.
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Joe
I don't, you know, it hasn't been that long. It hasn't been that long.
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Debo
Right. And, you know, he got guys spread all over the place, you know, and he's not afraid to put, you know, people in positions to help advance them, even though that may mean he may lose some credibility. But you don't lose the credibility. You gain it because you're putting people in there that you're seeing the potential of and they're going out and having success. And when you have that dude, that, that's, you know, that just speaks to what kind of coach he is. You know, what kind of leader he is.
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Joe
No. 1,000%, because that's. That speaks volumes. Because at the end of the day, when I, when you watch that stuff, man, and like you said when you had a coach that played the position and can show you nuances and not. And it can also tell you you can't do everything. Like, I need you to handle this. So. But if this happens, that's on the defense. You gotta be able to make this play. Like, not everything is your fault. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't be able to like, having coach that can understand that part is one of the biggest things I'm like, man, I can go hard for you because you're not going to be sitting there like, no, you're supposed to do this, you're supposed to do that. Tell me exactly what I'm going to do. My alignment, my assignment, some things I'm going to be able to take away this on this and inside leverage. He does not get inside. If he runs an outside breaking route, it may be a catch and tackle next play.
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Debo
That's.
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Joe
That calls on the defense. I can respect the coach so much harder that can tell me that than a man's like this. No, he doesn't catch anything. Like, no. Out. In. Like if a coach told me, if you're trying to cover everything, you're covering nothing.
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Debo
Exactly. And that's something that D coordinators have to just be like, you know what if this hits, it's on the defense. You can't try and fix every little situation because when you fix the one, you open up two more. Every defense has a weakness. And D coordinators that are like, hey, if they hit this, it's on us. We got to just rally and tackle.
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Joe
Yes, tackle. Let's go ahead and do that.
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Debo
And, and like I said, like, you look at him, I think he got two head coaches already in his coaching tree. You got what's his name in Chicago. What's his name?
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Joe
Was. It was. Was Aaron. Was Aaron Glenn in Detroit.
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Debo
Aaron Glenn also in. In New. Yes. Ben Johnson in Chicago. You got Aaron Glenn that's in at the Jets. Yeah. Like it's. Guys are going from, you know, coaching at positional coach to coordinators being a coordinator to a head coach, like the linebackers coach. Look at him right there. He's the D coordinator. He like that. How many people would have thought that he would be able to do what he's. He's been doing, like first year D coordinator. Like, yo, you buy in when it's a former player. You buy in when it's a person that actually played the game well, understands the game. There's a lot of Guys that play the game well, that can't coach it. Yeah, what I'm saying. I understand. But you got, you got to be able to give a guy a chance, especially when you see, you know, what he did as a player and then how he understood the game as a player. I don't, you know, I like, I like what they're doing in Detroit, man. Like, Dan Campbell is doing something special, man. He's giving guys chances. He's not afraid to, to put guys in position. You know, I think some coaches may be afraid to have, you know, like, have credit taken away from them. No credit given to you.
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Joe
Yes. You know what I'm saying?
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Debo
Like, that's, that's, that's just how it.
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Joe
Works, you know, I feel like the whole, I feel like these holding people accountable over there, too. You know what I'm saying?
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Debo
Oh, yes. Everybody's not.
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Joe
Everybody's held accountable. I think that's a big thing too. Like, if you're, if you're a coach that played and you're not a good coach, you're going to be held accountable. Like, he's not just giving everybody the opportunity, but dudes that are in there, they're balling like the defensive coordinators, like, give them a shot. And it's not like, no, you're just going to get this job, this opportunity, because this is what you do and hopefully you're good. No, you're going to be held to a standard. You're going to be able to coach well, know what you're doing, be able to deliver the message. And if you can't do that, whatever. But if you can, he's hiring dudes that obviously can and are bringing the energy, bringing the vibes, and dudes want to fight for those dudes. I could kind of tell, like when you watch them play.
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Debo
Yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm. I'm gonna hit it like my dude foot Detroit, Detroit based foot say, hey, Detroit. I see what y' all doing. What up, though? What up, though? Look, we're gonna go over here to Seattle, man. Seattle beat Seattle. Beat the Texans 29:17. Brother, that was a. Interesting game, bro. You know, the first, you know, the first possession of Seattle's, they, they get that little short field, they score seven. And I think the next possession they ended up getting, I think an unnecessary roughness, ended up giving them an extra 15. Next play, 12 yard touchdown is 14 nothing before you even turn your head, you know what I'm saying? For sure, like, like it's 14 nothing. And then later on like, I think Houston got. It was a safety, sack fumble to. I don't know what happened there. They gave him two points. Then they took the two points away. I still, I'm still confused on what happened there, but they somehow ended up getting the ball back and they didn't really do anything with it. I think the next possession, Seattle.
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Joe
Are we talking about the, the, the strip? The strip. Did Seattle get a touchdown? Did Seattle.
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Debo
Houston, I thought got. Well, Seattle got to safety on Houston. No, but then he fumbled the rock.
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Joe
He fumbled the rock and they recovered.
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Debo
It was.
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Joe
It was a touch safety.
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Debo
No, they said it was a safety, but then they said it was a touchback. I don't know.
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Joe
Oh, okay. Now I know which one you're talking about.
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Debo
Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know how that works. Yeah. Then Seattle goes, and I don't know why. They tried to do a, A trick play.
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Joe
Oh, my gosh. The. They were balling just walking down there.
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Debo
Yes.
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Joe
The Cooper cup threw the perfect pick through the.
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Debo
Hey, that man threw the perfect pick, bruh. Like that. I'm like, usually you get, you know, usually you want to try and make sure it's short. If anything, like he. It was out far and over the head straight to homeboy.
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Joe
Like, man, that wasn't good. That was, that was bad business.
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Debo
Yeah, that. That was. They was able to get three points off of that. Yeah. You end up three to 14 when the game definitely did not look like a. A three to four game at that.
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Joe
Point because the Houston. The Seahawks defense was balling.
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Debo
Yes.
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Joe
They just kept making Houston punt, punt, punt, punt, punt. Nothing was happening. Y' all were about to be able to get up 21 egg walking it down and, and then you do. You out trick yourself and throw and.
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Debo
Then you come back, you get the ball, you drive down there and you. Right before the two minute war.
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Joe
You get, you get your field goal goal block. You thinking you going into halftime, you get your field goal block and then they go down and get a field goal on you.
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Debo
Right now we got an eight point game. Now it's six to 14.
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Joe
It's not supposed to be that way. It's supposed to be a 21, probably 21 0. Worst case scenario. 17.
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Debo
Right.
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Joe
So, like.
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Debo
Yeah, I was, I was, I was a. I was a little disappointed. I won't. I won't say I said I was just disappointed. I'm always disappointed when defenses don't hold, especially when it's. It's. It don't. It don't matter. It's a defense playing against the Steelers if they playing against. Still. I want to fail every time, though.
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Joe
Yeah.
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Debo
I don't never want to. I don't want to be able to stop nothing.
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Joe
Worst defensive day ever. When you playing against Pittsburgh.
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Debo
Yeah. Yeah. And so you know, you game close, you thinking it's. It's about to go ahead and. And your boy go out there and throw him a good pick. Soon. As soon as they come back out.
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Joe
Fresh out of halftime.
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Debo
Second play. Hey, second play. Boom.
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Joe
No.
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Debo
There you go. Here you go. You know. You know that field goal. Y' all miss here. Go ahead, get it back. 17. 1776 now, man. Yep.
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Joe
You know, Seattle get it back.
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Debo
Seattle's. I think the following possession, Seattle ended up getting it. And Houston gets a sack. Fumble, bruh. For a touchdown. Bruh. How'd that happen?
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Joe
When see. Hold on. Did Seattle got the strip. Sack.
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Debo
Seattle got stripped. Sack. Houston gets the sack. Fumble for the touchdown.
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Joe
For the touchdown. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Yes.
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Debo
Yes. Yeah. It's a fight.
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Joe
It's a fight.
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Debo
Going up for two. They missed the two, though.
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Joe
It's 1712, and Houston's defense is fighting back like they ended up. They got points without even scoring on office.
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Debo
Right. Right. Dude, the offense is not helping them. Seattle able to come back and answer field goal goal, you know, and then you get into the. You know, you get into the fourth.
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Joe
Oh, no. This is when it gets crazy, Debo. Now, Houston gets to join on the third. They go for it on third and one and fourth and one.
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Debo
Right?
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Joe
And.
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Debo
And.
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Joe
But that's. That's nothing to do with. That's your offensive line getting pushed back. Them dudes. It was in the backfield on both of those plays. They reset the line.
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Debo
The last one, they lost two yards on it, bro.
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Joe
Yeah, that's. That's. Yeah, you're not good. That's not winning football. You try to go hard like, yeah, we're gonna get. We got.
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Debo
We.
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Joe
Can we get. Can we get a yard? No.
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Debo
Right.
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Joe
You can't.
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Debo
Right, you. That's. Yeah, that's. That's all. That's all on the offensive line. That's that. That's just offense, period. You gave them a short field. They've been going down. You've been. You've been spotty at best on trying to stop them. They score another touchdown. It's 12 to 27, dude.
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Joe
Yep.
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Debo
I don't. Houston, like, again, that's the. For Houston. That number was actually kind of good. Depending on, you know, how you look at, how you look at the way they were playing, especially.
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Joe
Yeah, no, for sure. They still, they feel like they still end it. They, they, it could have been way uglier than that.
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Debo
Yeah. And Seattle went out and helped them out. They fumbled the ball. Houston recovers it. That's, that's, you know, early in the fourth quarter.
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Joe
But that, but that, but that's what I'm saying too. It wasn't even that. He, he just accidentally fumbled it. They ripping at the ball. They was going. They was going.
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Debo
You gotta hold it.
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Joe
Gotta hold.
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Debo
They don't get nothing from it. But then go and throw an interception.
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Joe
Yes, man.
- [24:16]
Debo
Give right back to him again.
- [24:20]
Joe
He threw the wrong way. Stingley and then the Seattle. So he threw the ball away. Then they get the ball back and then Stingley gets a pit. And then they went crazy on the sideline. They got little shuffling joint. You see the ref come and cover him up, making sure he was safe.
- [24:36]
Debo
Yeah, I got you.
- [24:39]
Joe
I got you. I got you, bro. I got you. I got you.
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This.
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- [26:33]
Joe
Look, guess what? My bad total. He said, oh, he got him in his fantasy. I said, y' all better chill.
- [26:38]
Debo
Oh, even though Houston get a touchdown, though, we just, I think was just. Just over two minutes left.
- [26:46]
Joe
Yes.
- [26:47]
Debo
Yeah, dude, we in dog fight now. 19. Well, what could have been dog fight, you know, 19 to 27, you know, and then Seattle, dude, they get that Houston. Well, Seattle gets the ball, then Houston gets that unnecessary roughness, dude, on that third down. And basically that gives them the first. They able to do what they need to do. Game over.
- [27:07]
Joe
Milk the clock.
- [27:09]
Debo
Yeah. Yeah, dude, Houston, dude, they got a offense problem, dude. They can't run the ball at all. They. Not consistently on anything. They're not protecting. They're not protecting the quarterback. They couldn't at least do. Do anything. I think they sacked him, what, three times and, and hit him another eight. Eight, eight or seven, eight, nine times, something like that, you know, and then when they get down in the red zone, dude, they gotta. They gotta score touchdowns. They can't. They can't. They can't keep kicking field goals.
- [27:41]
Joe
I'm gonna say it was a big time for me. It was often. It was. It was a lot of offensive line, you know, just a lot. Just a. Certain plays, they're getting no push and he's not getting too much protection. I think they got to do better on the offensive line side because those third and ones, those third and those. I mean, those third and ones, those four for ones.
- [27:57]
Debo
Yeah, the one in the third quarter where they didn't get nothing, and then, you know, Seattle goes and. And gets a touchdown from it. That's. Dude, that's a hell of a point swing right there, along with, you know, penalties. Penalties hurt them too. That kept drives going, stop drives, all, you know, all that stuff. But Houston's defense, dude, you know, they're. They're balling, but, you know, like, again, that the big. The big play at the end, you know, it magnifies when you're towards the end. But the defense is nowhere near at fault for this. It's the offense. They gotta, they got. They gotta. They gotta get something done. You know, Seattle, of course, came out early and. And jumped on them, but, you know, they were able to hold that, you know, to what they. You know, what they needed to as far as coming into halftime. You know, all that happening. Yeah. And you know, the fourth downs when you're going for a fourth. Downs. They. They went over three. Houston went over three on four. Bounce.
- [28:55]
Joe
Like, those are bad turnovers. That's like.
- [28:58]
Debo
Yes. The pressure on the quarterback, the sacks, the hits, you know, that's just that. That's not. That's not conducive to, you know, winning games. Especially, you know, when you're. You're playing against a team that could put points on the board like they did.
- [29:17]
Joe
And that dude JSN Jack and Smith and Jigba, every time they needed to play, throw it to him. Sam Darnold. I think sometimes they. People overthink. And if you got one on one, you got man to man and you like your guy over their guy, look off and throw it to him. You know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes it's just that easy to go against your matchups, and sometimes Sam Darnold was doing that. And then they were using, like a good job running the ball, too. So shout out to the Seahawks. That was a good game. Texans definitely gotta do some shoring up on that line in that run game and protect the season, right?
- [29:49]
Debo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, that was. That was. That was Monday night.
- [29:56]
Joe
That was how Monday night went, Debo. And so. So.
- [30:01]
Debo
But I want to talk about something else. Hold on, hold on. I want to talk about something else for Monday night. So as I was watching the game, I started petting my dog, and my dog started talking to me. And he said, hi, and I said, hey, how you doing? And he said, I'm doing fine. And I said, I'm doing fine.
- [30:23]
Joe
No, see, no. Debo. Divo. Divo, you wasting time. No, Debo. Debo, don't even do this right now. You're wasting time. Who, Brown?
- [30:30]
Debo
You.
- [30:31]
Joe
You talking about some whole other stuff that we don't even need to talk about. We got to talk about the Sunday games because we missed Monday. You knocked out the WI FI in the whole system. So we weren't able to talk about the Sunday football games. So that's what we about to do right now.
- [30:44]
Debo
Hold on, hold on, hold on. I just got a call from Jeff Bezos. I think the Internet about to go down again. Hold on.
- [30:49]
Joe
Stop getting foggy. Do you know what time it is?
- [30:55]
Debo
I think. I think the Browns beat the Dolphins. The Dolphins.
- [31:02]
Joe
Yes.
- [31:03]
Debo
Let's go there. 31 to 6. I guess I gotta go ahead. Joe, how did. How'd it go?
- [31:11]
Joe
So this is what I'm saying.
- [31:13]
Debo
I ain't see the game.
- [31:13]
Joe
So the weather. The weather was terrible.
- [31:17]
Debo
It was terrible. For both teams, but Miami is not used to that. And it was cold.
- [31:22]
Joe
I don't want to hear Miami. You're professionals. You're in the fl. It was cold outside. It was raining. Grow up. And a lot of these dudes don't live in Miami all the time. They played in different places. They better be able to know how to play in the wet, in the water, in the snow, in the elements. What are we talking about here? These dudes make 40 million, 50 million, $60 million a year. You better be able to play rain sleeves. No. Or shine. So it doesn't matter.
- [31:44]
Debo
They're a Florida based team. They're not used to that. But go ahead.
- [31:47]
Joe
Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Okay, Cry me a river. So, long story short, Browns beat the Browns beat the dolphins, 31 0.
- [31:57]
Debo
How'd it go? They. They won. How?
- [31:59]
Joe
You want to know how? They won't break. Let me break down.
- [32:02]
Debo
I didn't. I didn't watch the game. I'm trying to. I want to hear.
- [32:04]
Joe
I'll tell you exactly how they won.
- [32:05]
Debo
I didn't think it was worth watching. 21 in 5 teams, but go ahead.
- [32:08]
Joe
This is the thing. So the weather was bad, so it's not even really a statistical game, right?
- [32:13]
Debo
So it's in favor of the Browns because Miami. Go ahead.
- [32:16]
Joe
You just need to make sure these are the games when you go in, if you leave the stadium with the win, that's. That's all that matters. Like, you got to go out there with a win. You, the elements, the weather, you can't really throw the ball as much. So look, my man Tua. 12 for 23, three picks, 100 yards passing.
- [32:36]
Debo
Okay? That's Tua. Like, what are you talking about?
- [32:38]
Joe
Like, that's what our defense did to Tua. We had three interceptions. Tyson Campbell a pick six. Welcome to the squad.
- [32:46]
Debo
We had TUA got benched, bro. Go ahead.
- [32:49]
Joe
Yeah, Tua got benched. He was supposed to get benched. He had a long day out there messing with the Browns. Hold on, man. I need to get Miami.
- [32:58]
Debo
Listen, dude, go ahead. Fumbling the ball. They gave y' all the ball. Okay, hold on. What? Like, what are we talking about? The Browns only scored a field goal on the first. What time they scored? Because Miami got a roughing the passer penalty. Like, come on. Miami was helping y'.
- [33:20]
Joe
All.
- [33:21]
Debo
And then I didn't watch the game. I'm just hearing this stuff. That's how bad it was. I heard they called a fake PI on my guy Minka. That took away an Interception like the next play, I believe they went on here.
- [33:38]
Joe
Yeah, he ran a 48 yard touchdown right after that.
- [33:41]
Debo
That was.
- [33:41]
Joe
I. I didn't say that. That that played was that. That play was a little janky. I didn't think that.
- [33:46]
Debo
Miami discombobulated, man. They was discombobulated.
- [33:49]
Joe
Miami had 11 penalties. They were hurting themselves. They did 11 penalties for 103 yards. Thank you.
- [33:53]
Debo
Miami was hurting.
- [33:55]
Joe
Cleveland Browns offense. We had Juckins. He ran for. He ran for 86 yards and three touchdowns. But I'm telling you, this what it was. The defense ball out. The defense balled out.
- [34:06]
Debo
And Miami and special team sold out.
- [34:09]
Joe
And special tank and special team first. First drive, Browns punt. First drive, Dolphins punt. Second drive, Browns. We ended up getting down there, juin. Getting it done. We get three. We go up three.
- [34:22]
Debo
No, you get three because of a ref in the past.
- [34:24]
Joe
I don't even want to hear that. We get down there, we get three.
- [34:26]
Debo
Go ahead. I didn't watch, but go ahead.
- [34:28]
Joe
All right. Yeah.
- [34:28]
Debo
Yeah.
- [34:29]
Joe
You must have. So then I'm saying too. The good thing, the thing was that we only. The Browns offense, we only had 206 total yards. The dolphins had 219 total yards. We only had 100.
- [34:41]
Debo
Right. They should have beat y'.
- [34:42]
Joe
All. No, no, not because of that. It's called. It's called three turnovers on three turn three interceptions and one they helping you. And a fumble. That's.
- [34:52]
Debo
It's bad weather. They can't. They're cold.
- [34:55]
Joe
So why didn't we turn the ball over?
- [34:57]
Debo
Anything, but why didn't we turn the.
- [34:58]
Joe
Ball over the same.
- [35:01]
Debo
Are we playing the same stadium in trash situations? And like, that's.
- [35:05]
Joe
Nope, nope, nope, nope. Don't want to hear it. So.
- [35:07]
Debo
So they didn't give y' all a whole.
- [35:09]
Joe
Gets the ball, runs it all the way down. Tyson Campbell again, I love him. He's probably gonna be my defensive MVP because his effort. He ran down a chan when he tried to score on their drive. Whatever stops them. We get a stop, they end up getting three. Boom. Next drive, we get some. This is my other thing. The fake PI like you said. And then Juckins gets the 45. Yes.
- [35:32]
Debo
Thank you. It was a fake PI.
- [35:33]
Joe
That's when we go up 10, 3. That's when we go up ten three. Okay. I don't.
- [35:37]
Debo
That shouldn't happen, but go ahead.
- [35:38]
Joe
It did happen. Okay. Then soon after that, 10, three, we kick the ball.
- [35:43]
Debo
Kickoff return is so Del P. Comes.
- [35:45]
Joe
Down there and play. Makes him cough the ball Up. How about you protect the ball? We also had kickoff returns. We didn't fumble it. That's on Miami. So, boom. Fumble the ball, give it back to the Browns. Correct. Correct. Browns get the ball again. Go down Wildcat, Wildcat. Till we get a ball to juckins. Like, man, you know what? Bump it. You just take it straight from the center. Get it tutty. Now we're up 17 3. Miami gets the ball again, and what they do, Punt.
- [36:15]
Debo
Yeah.
- [36:16]
Joe
Yeah. Damn right. Then the Browns get the ball back. We punt. Miami gets the ball. Miami gets the ball back.
- [36:22]
Debo
I. I could have swore I seen a 6 to 17 halftime score.
- [36:26]
Joe
I mean, I'm about to tell you. We punt, and then Miami gets the ball back.
- [36:30]
Debo
Heard about it.
- [36:31]
Joe
Tyson Campbell. This one. They try to score. This is Tyson Campbell again. They try to drive the ball down. He gets a break up in the end zone. Like I lovely end up getting the field goal. Go in the halftime. 17:6. Fresh out of halftime. 17:6. Miami gets the ball. What does Tua do?
- [36:52]
Debo
Say here, here we go.
- [36:55]
Joe
Here we go. Tip off the hands. My man. Tyson Campbell again. Pick six. Coming off the. Coming off the first play out of halftime. So now we're up 24 to 6. And this is why, like, it doesn't matter how you do it. This is the. The offensive didn't even have to come back on the field. And we're up 24. 6. We were 17 6. All they thought was your best player is that. Is that. Is that. Is that my bad? Is that my fault that he's the quarterback for the Miami Dolphins that he. That they brought into that stadium to start for that team and try to leave with a victory? No, it's not. So he threw the ball to us, and my man took it to the crib. Boom. Then they get the ball back. Think it's sweet. Miles Garrett, welcome to the show. Third and 11. Sit down, son. So this one, the defense is balling my whole thing.
- [37:40]
Debo
Okay, okay. Yeah.
- [37:41]
Joe
Sit down, sit down.
- [37:43]
Debo
Y' all got the best defense. Yeah, that is true.
- [37:45]
Joe
They get the ball.
- [37:46]
Debo
I ain't tripping.
- [37:47]
Joe
They get the ball. Let me have my shine, okay? Because then they start driving it again, and on 4th and 8, they try to run. They try to go for the fourth down, throw a little slant, and guess who's in the hole. Del Pitt. And cracks that man. 1 yard short turnover on downs. Do y' all feel silly? Yes, they do. Browns get the ball back again. We punt it. No, no, we don't. We don't we don't. We get the ball. I return to the. Oh, my goodness.
- [38:19]
Debo
No.
- [38:19]
Joe
Browns get the ball, we punt. Punt him down to the one yard line. We didn't do nothing. Then who was in the end zone? Try and get it. Try and figure it out. It's a lot of pressure. Oh, my goodness. Everybody's here. I have to throw it. Boom. Rasheed Jenkins. Pick.
- [38:35]
Debo
Almost.
- [38:36]
Joe
Another pick. Six for points without the offense. Doesn't even have to go out there and do nothing. The defense is bringing it down to the one yard line. Pick by two or to the one.
- [38:43]
Debo
Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you. Without y' all defense, y' all lucky. Y' all defense hella good.
- [38:47]
Joe
That's like. That's like without my arms. Without my arms, I wouldn't be able to play basketball. What are we talking about here? Of course, you need the defense to be nice. You better have a defense.
- [38:57]
Debo
Talking to. Who you talking to?
- [38:59]
Joe
I'm talking to. I'm talking to you, Debo. I'm talking to you now. You know why? Because you've been real disrespectful. You'll be real disrespectful, dude. Yeah, yeah.
- [39:09]
Debo
Come on.
- [39:09]
Joe
So. No, but I. I say all of this to say the Browns had a really good defensive effort and they're putting the offense in positions the offense did not.
- [39:19]
Debo
No, no, no. Defense won the game, period. Office ain't do nothing. Your boy had 100 yards.
- [39:24]
Joe
Oh, we had 26 yards total.
- [39:27]
Debo
Your boy Dylan had 200. I had 116 yards.
- [39:30]
Joe
Yes, yes. I was giving.
- [39:33]
Debo
You was your best player, though, because the defense was cold. I ain't gonna lie. Defense, nice. I ain't gonna lie. Defense. Not. I'm gonna get defense credit because I'm gonna be this guy. Okay, but 12 or 23 for 100 yards, three picks. That's two. Yeah, yeah.
- [39:48]
Joe
I mean, look, how many of them.
- [39:50]
Debo
Picks was real hard to get to?
- [39:52]
Joe
I'm telling. I mean, look, okay, a couple. None of them. None of them.
- [39:58]
Debo
Was it real athletic plays to get to the wall? Was it was anything like. Oh, he went and he just made a. You know, he just made a hell of a play. And I mean.
- [40:07]
Joe
No, no, for real. No, honestly, I think my man. The hardest one. The hardest one was the one that he caught when the. The center field safety was like this. Give me this one tour. Come on, Tour. Get to me. And then he kind of.
- [40:18]
Debo
He gave to him, too.
- [40:19]
Joe
Tried to look him off and threw the.
- [40:21]
Debo
Tried to look him up.
- [40:22]
Joe
He didn't Try to look him off. He didn't try to look him off. He didn't try to look him off.
- [40:25]
Debo
You trying. You see C. Joe. That's what I'm saying, man. So listen, man, I'm just saying I. I'm gonna give the defense the credit. I'm gonna give defense credit because you gotta. Got to do it. You got to make plays. Because it's been situations where I see the Steelers, they done got balls in their hands. They don't catch them. I understand that. Straight to him. I understand that. So, you know, but when you got a head coach like, you know, Daniels that says, you know, you know, he can. It is. I don't. I mean, when you look at it, you got to listen to this guy's interviews. Like, it's. It's what he say after the game.
- [41:06]
Joe
He said a whole lot of nothing.
- [41:08]
Debo
Debo, here you go. There's a lot of guys that will have an important work week, because we're not. Because if you are, uh, negatively affecting the football team, uh, uh, routinely, um, I don't have a choice but to, um. But, you know, um, to, uh, assess the different player and, um, I have to coach a lot better as well. And, um, yeah, we're gonna, um, find out, like, who and what we're made of.
- [41:39]
Joe
Like.
- [41:40]
Debo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They need Hard Knocks in his meeting rooms. They need to go to hard. Hard Knocks. You got to go in Miami. If he's still there, y' all got to be in Miami. This will be your highest rated Hard Knocks ever. Promise you.
- [41:56]
Joe
Thousand percent.
- [41:57]
Debo
When this dude talks, I get confused. I start feeling like I done lost where I'm at. What's going on. He starts the sentence, he doesn't finish it. And then how you go from A to we're gonna do. And you didn't say nothing. Yeah, that is. Who is the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
- [42:20]
Joe
Yeah, that. That. That's crazy to me. That's crazy to me.
- [42:24]
Debo
Now, you, like Tua said, you got players that don't even go to players meetings, don't show up or not or aren't there on time and even don't show up. So you got no leadership anywhere. The coaches, the players is disrespectful everywhere. We got to clean out everybody. Coaches got to go. The players got to go. And you just said that you sat him down because you got to see what other players can do. So you. Are you saying it's over with for him? Like, what's.
- [42:54]
Joe
I think he did. I think he still said this too is. I think he's still starting them this week coming up. Huh?
- [43:00]
Debo
How you gonna evaluate other players in the see, and then you do this not. And y' all happy about being there. Y'. All. Y' all real happy about being there.
- [43:12]
Joe
Debo, you know, I'm happy when the Browns win. I talked about the way it happened and how it happened. I'm not saying that that was an offensive performance for the ages. I'm saying when you come out there and it's a rainy wet day and that team doesn't do well and you just. You're making those plays, you're making those picks, you're making those turnovers, you're punching out that ball. Judgins is running it through the end zone. They're getting in positions the offense was not. I didn't say one thing about how good the office did besides Judgins running the ball well, because he had three touchdowns and when we needed him, he. He did what he had to do.
- [43:46]
Debo
Well, defensive wise, you know, you got your fans. They. They calling for Stefanski to be fired, saying that, you know, the problem is, is him rather than the Browns quarterbacks. They said DeShawn Washington, he even liked a video talking about Stefanski on TikTok like Joe, man.
- [44:12]
Joe
So I think that the.
- [44:15]
Debo
You got a problem with Deshaun doing this. Like in the video, they're saying just talking. That's talking. Talking trash on.
- [44:25]
Joe
While you're not playing with the team. I think I wouldn't want anything that's a distraction. I think it's a distraction, and I don't like for anything to be a distraction for him to be doing it. Especially when you're not playing right now. Especially when you're still.
- [44:38]
Debo
Is he healthy enough to play or is they just.
- [44:40]
Joe
No, no, no, no, no. When you're not on the. Even if you're not healthy enough to play, that means just. That's even more reason to just stay out the way because you're not gonna be.
- [44:46]
Debo
Oh, I was just asking personally.
- [44:48]
Joe
No, no, no. I don't think he's healthy enough to play yet. I think he's. He's going to be able to get. Get out there and start throwing the ball again. But I don't think when you're not actively on the team, and even if you are, this is just more things for. This is just more clickbait, more people to talk about stuff and more reasons for, like, even for you to be brought up. If it was me, I'm Deshaun Watson, I'm making 230 million. I'm still making $40 million a year. And I haven't been as productive as I would want to as my contract heals. I, I would just be trying to stay out the way, getting ready, getting right and trying to get back out there. Talking about the culture and liking tweets and stuff, that's just going to bring, end of the day, if you don't like them. And this is just something that you've been wanting to say for a while. I mean, it is what it is now with social media, man, everybody's shooting at him. You, you, you think that he was the reason why he didn't help you out in Europe and getting you better during your time in Cleveland. Go ahead, man, say what you got to say. Because nobody's. I'm not in your position. That wasn't me. I wasn't there. And if you think that he should be out of there and he definitely didn't help in your growth for sure. That's not, that's not my space to say because I don't know. But he does. But just knowing that what's this going to bring to your team? What's it going to bring? Questions on the coach. And if he does want him to get out there, if he doesn't want him to get fired, that's the perfect way to do it. Boom, like that. You know what I'm saying? Everybody it's already training is going. I'm not a big fanski fan. I don't think the office has been doing what it needs to do. I think that can be a new voice and I don't think he has the power to just be bringing it. I don't think he's playing with kind of who he can play with. I don't think he has the control to move all the pieces in. I don't think he's saying. I think Andrew Barry and Mr. Haslam, Andrew Barry and Haslam are definitely, I think, over top of what his control is. I don't think he has control of his players or who he brings in or who he takes out. I definitely don't.
- [46:38]
Debo
Well, according to ESPN Pittsburgh, they said it's two different sources that say Shador Sanders will play for the Pittsburgh. Of. I mean, sorry. Will play for the Browns. Okay. 1, 1, 1 said Shador will start the last four games of the season no matter what the last four games are against Bears, Bills, Steelers and the Bengals. What do you, what do you think of this? The other source said the shore may Shador may take over sooner than that. You think this is, this is real? You think it's a possibility? Is it something that you would want to see? Do you think Dylan needs to be switched out and them give a, give a chance to Shador?
- [47:24]
Joe
This is what I'm saying. I think Dylan hasn't been and this is just, just my honest opinion. I don't think Dylan has done enough to like he's he's not helping. He's not hurting the team, but he's not helping the team. There's a difference between a game like game management, game changers, a superstar, all that like a franchise quarterback. He's not giving me franchise quarterback vibes and that's just how I feel about it. He's able to go he went 13 for 18116 yards, zero interceptions, zero picks. That's another zero picks, zero interceptions. You're not hurting me, but you're not helping me. So I don't know how big, how high a ceiling is. So at the end of the day, he's going to get a couple more games. In my opinion, I would still give him because he didn't lose. He won the game. He didn't do anything bad like he didn't turn the ball over. They hit the juggins. So control the game. You want to get out that with a win. The defense played well, the special teams played well. The we won 31 to 6 big.
- [48:17]
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Debo
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Joe
Not like you didn't hurt us, you didn't help us. So we're not going to just pull you out of the game. You know what I'm saying? So I just think we should continue to give him another, like I would say another two, three, four games. Two to three games. If he starts doing better, we can start winning. Just, I'm not, I'm not mad at him because you don't want to just be like, no, this isn't good enough. I, I don't say you're not a superstar, you're not a franchise quarterback. Go to the bench. I think that you can have, see.
- [50:35]
Debo
What he can do.
- [50:35]
Joe
Give him a couple more times. Just open up the playbook. Let's see Gilbert, I mean tell him Dylan Gabriel, like let's see what we can do. Like let it rip. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's see if again, I understand you're being comfortable.
- [50:47]
Debo
They tried to let it rip. They gave him 50 something passes against the Steelers.
- [50:50]
Joe
But he threw 30. But, but like, but, but 57 passes. But like probably seven but 10 of them. That pass 10 yards. He's dicking and dunking. He's dumping the ball.
- [50:59]
Debo
That's what, that's what he got.
- [51:00]
Joe
Fade man, I'm not hearing none of that. I'm liking if you got an outside and there's man to man if we do have a single box in this man.
- [51:07]
Debo
Okay, so throw the fade. He goes. They don't win. But he's not the reason they're losing. But he's also not the reason they're winning. Do you give Shador that chance? Do you think Chador gives more of a to a defense than he would.
- [51:23]
Joe
I do.
- [51:24]
Debo
Why is that?
- [51:25]
Joe
I do, I think he's going to. Because he's going to give us a better, he's going to throw the ball down the field. I think he's going to give us a chance like anticipating throwing dig balls, throwing a post on time, throwing fade balls. If he sees that it's man to man giving his receiver a chance. I like Dylan, and then I just don't think he's giving our receivers a chance as much. You keep dumping the ball down, down, but like, let's throw some things. Let's throw some posts. And some of the things. I see him open when he does that play action, you come up and you just patent it a little bit too long because you're not. You don't want to throw up interception. So you just, you know, saying, check it down instead of, there's an opportunity open, throw it. Nah, I don't know. Boom. You know what I'm saying? I want to be able to be like, no bump. That there is the opportunity. Let me throw that because I know I can make a play and help the team out instead of like, all right, let me just be cautious. Let me be controlled. Let me not fuck it up. No, sometimes I need you to let that thing go.
- [52:17]
Debo
Yeah, I'm. I believe that if he doesn't start to do things that actually help them win instead of not doing things that, you know, help them lose. I think you have to. You have to, and you're not winning. You have to give. You have to give Shador a chance to. To go out there and see what he can do with all the weapons, all the starters, and. And give him that opportunity.
- [52:48]
Joe
I would say so. Well, because, I mean, we're, We're. I think Dylan gets his just due. We're giving him as many he got. Start out there in Minnesota, then you get another one. And I think, what's this? His third start. His third start, he has a win. So I'm not like, knocking what he's doing, but I'm like, I'm not seeing anything that's like, you're taking us somewhere, you know what I'm saying? And that's not in a bad way, but, like, when you look at the quarterbacks, like franchise guys, like, all right, bet like, I want the ball in his hands. He's going to be able to gain, like, he's going to be able to make a play for us, you know what I'm saying? So I just want him to. Maybe he has it in him, but just kind of like, let it rip sometimes, like, instead of doing those jump offs when you see it, you know what I'm saying? Anticipation, throwing the ball, like, get it out.
- [53:29]
Debo
Yeah, I. I think it's a lot of people that want to. Want to see, you know, either Dylan do better or a chance for Shador to go out there and. And show what he could do. Speaking of that, Isaiah Rogers had a bad day. Football on football field Sunday. But he got some messages, bro. Like, these. These people tripping, dude. It's. It's nothing deserves for a dude to get some messages. Like, can we even show these messages? Like, can we even show these words on the screen? Yeah, so it's some. It's some stuff in there, you know? F this, F that. I'm trying to slow down on my cousin a little bit.
- [54:18]
Joe
Yeah, no, for sure. Me too. My mom called me. Yeah.
- [54:21]
Debo
Yeah. So, you know, you suck. You know, word. Word that starts with. With the letter N, but it's. It's not, nigga. It's the hard er, you know what I'm saying? Called a man worse than Hitler. Like, come on. Like, that deserves nothing. And then he want to try and backpedal after he realized he snapped it and. And. And sent it over. Now you want to talk about you. Sorry. I know it was wrong. Nah, nah, We. We can't. We can't do all that. You ever got anything I could tell you right now, bro?
- [55:01]
Joe
How you feel about that, Debo?
- [55:02]
Debo
No, bruh. I got stuff like that when I went to. When I went to New England, bruh. Inbox, crazy in this, in that. Blah, blah, blah. Your mama, your daddy, grandmama. This is supposed to be from Steelers fans, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, and that's the problem with fans. Fans are loyal to a.
- [55:30]
Joe
A.
- [55:30]
Debo
A actual organization. You know what I'm saying? They're not loyal to. To. To the player. And they don't realize that. That this is a business. And then people just get out of bounds. They say, like, you out of bounds with this stepping sideways. That's not something you would say to his face, dude. No, not even. Not even close, and I know it. And when you go and you do things like this and you snap that. They had one time where some dude said something about me, and it was something like tom Brady like, this and that. You doing this and that. And he was saying, so I screenshot and I posted it up. He had to shut his page down and all that. Like, when you people do this. Like. Like, listen, when you people do this, like, some people actually take time to find out, like, who you are, if your page is real and all that, and save this in a. In their files. Like, I'm one of them people. Like, y' all got, you know, dummy pages. Everybody else got dummy pages, too. They'll look at Your page and figure out if you're a real person. Screenshot already, snapshot saved. To make sure you're real. And then put it out there so that you can stand on what you talking about. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is. This is. This is not hard to get the evidence on you and put it out there and. And all that stuff. So when you say something, same thing I tell my kids, like, yo, if you go say something or you go tweet something, you go write something out. When you write that out and put it out there, make sure that is something that you're okay with the whole world knowing, seen, and reacting to. Like, you got to put these fans, these. All these people that want to be in your inbox and start doing goofy stuff like that. Of course, you got to make sure the page is real. You can't just put it out there because I get a whole bunch of them from little dummy pages, you know, all that stuff. But this ankle is no part of this that should be in our society, period. Especially, you know, especially the. The racist part of it. But we understand, like, you suck and all that other stuff. I could take that. That's just criticism, you know what I'm saying? A fan. You know, trader. You know, you're. You're a trader to. No, I'm not. I'm a. I'm an employee that no longer. They were no longer one of my services. So I went to somewhere else where they. They wanted my services. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, this is. This is business. These are 100. The. Channel two don't want you in channel four. Do you go to channel four? You don't hear channel two talking about you a trader. No. What's your. What's your take on this, man? What's your advice that you would. You would give Rogers?
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Joe
Man, my advice is I had a lot of the same stuff. Like you said, Debo, we play for the Browns, and people would just talk crazy when you would lose. I would say sometimes you. You don't want to. You don't want to let people like some of the stuff when people say it's easy to ignore it. You don't want, like, people to, like, rock with your emotions at the end of the day. Because at the end of the day, these people are on Instagram, Twitter. They're watching you play a sport and a game that we love. When I first got into it, I would get my feelings and people would talk, you know what I'm saying about you? Because you trying to do a good job. You don't, like, not used to people really talking about you like that. I would say ignore them. And then at the same time, like, these dudes are like. Like, a lot of them just want your attention. Because the same way when I. When you would snap back and do, like, oh, my God, I can't believe it's you. Like, you really wrote back to me. I'm like, you had me really in my feelings, like, really mad. You know what I'm saying? And you just. Was just talking because, like, the access that they are able to have to professional athletes, I don't think sometimes you could. It's good because you can give them an insight and like. Like, let them know you're a real person. But at the same time, they feel like they can touch you. Like, they can make you feel some type of way. So I'm like, don't. Not. Not literally touch you, but, like, you can read up. You're gonna see what they saying. So I'm like, with that, you don't want to give them a lot of it is like, you know, what's up? You know what's going on. So sometimes with me, I wouldn't even really look at this stuff because it's like, what if they tell you good things? Is that. Is that making you happy? Like, no. Letting people control, you know what I'm saying? Like, how your mood is because of what people are saying on your stuff. So I kind of just want some, like, I don't know these people. You know what I'm saying? So I just kind of really didn't let it. Didn't try to not let it hit me as much.
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Debo
Yeah, I don't. I. I like. I like to look at it because I need the negative stuff. That's how I'm over. I want to see all the negative stuff. But when you. When you step over that, you step over that boundary. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Of a personal, like, racial insult.
- [60:06]
Joe
That is real hate.
- [60:07]
Debo
Of real hate. You burning my jersey and all that. Go ahead, burn it. Because you ended up probably buying another. When I came back in 14 anyway, you know? I mean, when I came back after. After, you know, they do the jersey sale anyway, so I ain't tripping. You went and got another one.
- [60:25]
Joe
Who cares?
- [60:25]
Debo
I don't, you know, but, like, like I said 13, even 13 when I went to Cincinnati, you know, but when I went to New England, dude, they lost their mind. And that's something else I'm telling Dudes, like, don't even get this dude a response. Like, he's trying to get a response from you, bro. Yeah, like, that's what he wants to be able to know that the message that he sent got to you and you was mad enough to respond back. And I'm like, yo, you can't respond back to this because if you respond back and you shoot at him and you say something crazy, he's going to repost what you said to him, you're going to get fined, and nothing's going to happen to him. Like, don't even give him it. Like, who cares? Like, use that as motivation, fuel for your fire.
- [61:05]
Joe
Like, I feel. No, because you know how that is. But like you said, too, did people be weirdos. People would just be straight weirdos, like writing this, like, mean things to people. Just trying to get a reaction, right?
- [61:18]
Debo
You're trying to get a reaction. You try to be seeing. You want. You, you know, you. You want. You want to be heard. Everybody. That's why everybody got social media. Everybody want to be heard, you know. So Sunday we about to play the packers, bro. Right?
- [61:29]
Joe
Oh, hey, Rob.
- [61:30]
Debo
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure, for sure. But hey, son, hey, we. We again. Okay, but Sunday's game between the packers and Steelers isn't about Aaron Rodgers. Matt lefura said, he said we're playing the Pittsburgh Steelers who happen to have Aaron Rodgers. It's as simple as that. That is for you guys to talk about, granted. I mean, we've got a lot of love and respect for Aaron, what he's done here. I mean, he's a Hall of Famer. And I know, I love and I know, like our past together, we had a lot of great moments, but this game is not about that. What, what you, what you put on that. Joe, Joe, what you. You think he's just giving lip service? You think he's just saying the right thing? Reverse psychology, you know?
- [62:34]
Joe
Yeah, man. I think he's just being a smart, like just a good coach, you know, not trying to make anything extra over what it is. He knows him and Aaron, right? They had a relationship. He just don't want to bring anything up extra. I think Aaron Rodgers just. Personally, though, he definitely wants to be Aaron Rodgers. He definitely thinks that. He wants to make sure, like, they made the right decision. It is. It is like that you could still have Aaron Rodgers and you don't. He's going against you. So it's kind of like.
- [62:59]
Debo
So what do you think? The bigger statement, Bigger statement win Would be like Aaron Rodgers taking down his former team or Jordan Love out playing the old man.
- [63:10]
Joe
See that's what I'm saying. I think a rod the better one would be the. For. For us. For us still. For we. For we is going to be a rod. Outplayed a rod. Outplayed Jordan Love. Packers made the wrong decision. Moving on. That's would be the bigger draw it.
- [63:30]
Debo
I think I don't care about him outplaying him. He could outplay him and we could still lose. Aaron winning and taking down his former team is the biggest statement to me. Like yeah, I don't. If Aaron go out there and, and do full, you know, four, five touchdowns, 400 yards, whatever it may be and the defense don't do nothing and we, we, we lose that game like don't know. At least me personally, I don't care how big my numbers is. If we lose the game, they wasn't big enough for me. You know what I'm saying? Like.
- [64:11]
Joe
So I asked you. So you, you, you wouldn't be mad if he did a 13 for 18, 116 yards, zero touchdowns and we win and you win?
- [64:20]
Debo
Yes, I ain't mad. Listen, hey, that.
- [64:25]
Joe
Hey, Debo.
- [64:26]
Debo
Debo not gonna apologize for winning, Debo.
- [64:28]
Joe
That's what we not gonna do. We're not gonna apologize for winning.
- [64:34]
Debo
Hey, the Browns didn't for beat Miami. So what we look like.
- [64:41]
Joe
What we not going to do Debo is apologize for winning.
- [64:47]
Debo
What we're not gonna do is apologize for winning and hey, hey, bro. Hey.
- [64:56]
Joe
Oh man.
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Debo
Okay.
- [64:57]
Joe
No for sure. I'm with you Debo. I am with you.
- [65:00]
Debo
100. No question.
- [65:02]
Joe
Because the bigger thing is with the Steelers. We know he could throw for four touchdowns. We know he could throw. He's not going. He's Aaron Rodgers. But what we want to do is lead the stadium with a dub. So I'm 1000% with you on that. What the biggest statement is the Steelers beat the Packers. Aaron Rodgers taking down his former squad.
- [65:18]
Debo
Yes. Speaking of former former squad, Justin Fields got benched over there in New York, man. They just gave him a two year 40 million deal, 30 guaranteed. And it looks like they only needed six and a half games to realize he ain't the answer. Is it time you think that, you think it's time for them to give up? Get it moving. It looks like they done did it lie. They didn't set him down.
- [65:43]
Joe
All I know is Justin Fields, when I watched that last game they just had in London, that was one of the worst offensive Performances I've seen in a long time. And I know he's the athlete. I love Justin Fields as a person, but I don't know what's going on. Their offense probably had less than 100 yards. Like, it just doesn't look good. He's not throwing the ball on time. He's making. It's taking him a while to make some decisions, and they're just not. It is not looking good. You can't keep doing the same thing. That defense deserved to win a couple of these games. Their defense has been playing great. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not their fault. You need something from your offense, and Justin Fields hasn't been able to do it. I'm so. I'm. I mean any harm to say it, but, like, when you're just watching the tape. I like you. I like him as a person like him as all that, but he's not getting the job done. And this is a. This is a what for you done for me lately business. And he hasn't done anything for them lately. So I don't think that he's the answer.
- [66:40]
Debo
And I'm walking away with 30. No matter what.
- [66:42]
Joe
He gonna get that. But at the same time, like, you gonna keep on you. You gonna lose on the shield of you paid him 30. So we're gonna go ahead and just walk it down or are you gonna try to figure out something else? Because, you know, 30 is 30. But we got other teams. My. The Brownies got 131 still left that they trying to figure out. So it can be done. It can be done. You can move on. It's gonna hurt. You gonna have to bite that pill, that 30. But. But if you. If you're really trying to win right now, it doesn't look like Fields is doing on the offensive side. And I didn't know, and it pains me to say that.
- [67:14]
Debo
Yeah, I think. I think this. I think this, this, this might be it. They go ahead and they'll keep him because they got the guaranteed money in him. And they go try and get the. I mean, they. Right now they fighting for a first pick anyway, so they got an opportunity to go out there and hopefully try and find somebody that they see a little bit more potential in. Jumping back to Sunday, the Rams, dude, they flew in to an international game the day before and immediately headed back out and they went ahead and whooped them. Boys 35 to 7. It worked out. What do you. So here's my take on this. So I don't like Going in early to a game, especially when you got like an international game or something like this turns into do is you have four, five days there. So now you got all your family, your friends, you got all this extra stuff going on here and there. And they thinking they on vacation. This is ain't, this ain't a vacation. I'm here to work. I'm here to get a job done. But they're like, vacation. So they're planning to do this, do that, all this other stuff distracting the guys from doing this and that, not to mention like the staff. So now you got all these families over here. Now, now, now the, the staff that usually helps you is now trying to help the families and all that along with their other responsibilities and duties. I like the idea of going in and out, getting the job done and going home. I think that's the best way to do it. Me personally, because now I don't add all those other factors into it where it done turned into a mini vacation for everybody else. And now you're being the person to have to Dr. Do all this other stuff along with practice. And the focus is not the focus, which is winning a game. Like, what do you think? You think this could be the, the next wave since they just seen the Rams do it and do it conventionally?
- [69:14]
Joe
Debo, I'm, I'm, I'm with you 1000%. My thing is on those games, on those business trips when we're going to London, we're not going to see London. I don't care. I can go during the off season. Like, we can go take a trip, State hotel, where we go, go literally have a good time. These trips are business trips. Like, I'm really trying to get there, get my body right, watch tape. When I get there for a long periods of time, I start getting nervous and like, antsy because it's like, we're here to do a job. The game is in four days. There's nothing I'm going to be able to do. Like, I want to get practice when I have my schedule right. The family and friends want a trip. We're overseas. Like, we about to go see the Louvre. We about to go see all the stuff that they got to offer. I'm, I'm good on that. We can go there during the off season and we can go see everything you want to see. But these four days like that, and that's crazy getting there.
- [70:02]
Debo
I don't even need to have to worry about bringing you here. If I'm in and out in, you know a 36 hour time frame. Like, yo, in and out. There's no discussion on. Hey, let's do this. Like. No, it's. No, I'm going to work.
- [70:14]
Joe
I'm going to be right back.
- [70:17]
Debo
Yes, I'm going to be right back, dude. Like, I'm going to work. Work. Hey, man, we. We got a few other things you want to catch up on if you want to stick here since we missed yesterday, which you good, see. Yep. Yeah. You know, I tried to. I didn't try. I'm sorry. Jeff Bezos did that messed us up.
- [70:36]
Joe
That was all you, brother.
- [70:38]
Debo
That. That wasn't me, bro. I'm trying to tell you. I'm listen.
- [70:41]
Joe
But you let me get my Browns talk in, so I appreciate it.
- [70:43]
Debo
I let. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Like I said, you. Y' all got a good defense over there, man.
- [70:47]
Joe
Y'.
- [70:48]
Debo
All. Y' all got a good. Y' all got a good defense over there. And if it. If it wasn't for y' all defense, y' all would be 0 and 7 instead of. Was it 2 and 5? Yeah, like, if it wasn't for y' all defense.
- [71:03]
Joe
That is a filthy fat. That is a filthy fat.
- [71:06]
Debo
Hey, Joe. Yo, somebody got fired.
- [71:10]
Joe
Yes, he did. Who got fired, Joe, man, Billy Napier, man. Coach for the Gators, man. Bought my dog out.
- [71:21]
Debo
20 million.
- [71:22]
Joe
They gotta give my man 20 million and they gotta give him 10 of it in the next 30 days. Yep, yep, yep.
- [71:31]
Debo
Hey, man, what Florida go do from here, man? Where they go? What's going down?
- [71:36]
Joe
This is what I'm saying. Florida. We need a great, great coach. And you know who I'm thinking that we need to go get?
- [71:42]
Debo
Who?
- [71:43]
Joe
He's in the sec where I'm not mad at it. Cause I'm loving his recruiting style. But first of all, let me talk about our interim coach, interim coach that we have right now, Billy Gonzalez. He was my recruiting coordinator. He recruited me to come to Florida. He was our wide receiver coach there during the national championship.
- [71:58]
Debo
Billy Gonzalez.
- [71:59]
Joe
Billy Gonzalez.
- [71:59]
Debo
Did he ever coach at Kent State?
- [72:01]
Joe
I did. Coach. Did Billy G. Coach at Kent State? I don't know if he coached at Kent State. I don't think so.
- [72:05]
Debo
I think he coached receivers at Kent when I was up there.
- [72:07]
Joe
Hold up now we got. We gotta check it out. I only known Billy G when he was in at Florida, though. He recruited me. Came to my. Came to my state championship game my senior year in Maryland at Baltimore Ravens Stadium. Great dude, great coach. So he's the interim coach, right? Now loving him. He's a recruiting guy. That's what we need to get back to, too. He recruited me, and he's great at recruits, and that's why they. When we got rid of Napier and moved him in so he can keep the recruits. So everybody's good.
- [72:36]
Debo
Hey.
- [72:36]
Joe
Yes.
- [72:37]
Debo
Can he recruit in this era?
- [72:39]
Joe
No. That's why I'm.
- [72:40]
Debo
That's.
- [72:41]
Joe
But that's why I'm bringing you to where he's here. But I'm telling you of the. The other.
- [72:44]
Debo
The.
- [72:44]
Joe
If we. The head coach that I want. I want him to be this. Probably like the offensive coordinator maybe still receivers go off as a coordinator, but I want to.
- [72:51]
Debo
Hey, he was the wide receivers and running back dude for us at Kent from. He was the 2001.
- [72:57]
Joe
That's crazy. That's Billy G. He was a receiver coach at Florida.
- [73:02]
Debo
Yeah, I knew. I knew that name, man. I'm like, yo, he was on my staff when I. When I played at camp.
- [73:06]
Joe
See? So we got to go to a Gator game. Go see Coach G. We got.
- [73:11]
Debo
We got. Yeah, we gonna have to. Yeah, we check it out for sure.
- [73:13]
Joe
So. Coach G. I love Coach G. I think he's gonna be great. But I will want. With the way it's going now, I need Florida to get a real A guy, and I'm gonna throw it out in the bucket. I want us to get Lane Kiffin. I think if we got Lane Kiffin, the energy he's bringing, the vibes he's bringing. And with the recruits, I think he. Because the way he's doing Ole Miss, he. We can have Florida back on point. I think he would do it. I think he could do it. I'm gonna just put that out there. Yep.
- [73:42]
Debo
That's who you want?
- [73:42]
Joe
That's who I want. I want Lane Kiffin.
- [73:45]
Debo
Well, what about. What about. What about Billy G. If Billy G.
- [73:49]
Joe
I'm just saying I would. If Billy. I'm with Lane Kiffin or Billy G. G. I'm not mad. I love Billy G. As the head coach right now.
- [73:55]
Debo
Okay, but what if you get Lane Kiffin but you lose Billy G. You say he great for recruiting.
- [74:00]
Joe
I know. I think. Well, this is what I'm saying. He was recruiting. That was. That was back in the day, Debo. I mean, I hope he's. I know he's still, you know, he probably still got some. Some, Some. Some. Some stuff that he knows, but I. I don't know. He recruited me back in. Was that 007?
- [74:14]
Debo
Mm.
- [74:16]
Joe
Yeah. So the times have changed. So that's what I'm saying. If we could just get it. I. I love Billy. Billy could do it. Billy's Billy. He was there during the golden years. He's seen what it was when we needed with Natties, with national championships at Florida. That's what I'm talking about.
- [74:32]
Debo
So he's been at Florida since. Since. Since you were there.
- [74:36]
Joe
He left. He left.
- [74:37]
Debo
He.
- [74:37]
Joe
He came back. He came back with coach Dan Mullen.
- [74:42]
Debo
Okay.
- [74:42]
Joe
Yes, he came back with Mullen.
- [74:45]
Debo
Okay. All right. Who your player of the week, dude? Who you got. Who you got for. For your defensive player of the week?
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Joe
Tyson Campbell, the new corner for the Browns with his pick six, his PBUs, his rundown of the.
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Debo
Of.
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Joe
H hand. H hand, about 4, 3. He walked him down, prevented the touchdown. So we gonna go with him. He's fresh off the boat, right over there, playing man to man, strapping pick six'. N. Stand up. Stand up, Tyson Cavill. Stand up.
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Debo
Can you ask me who minds this?
- [75:22]
Joe
Well, then, Debo, who do you have? Thank you.
- [75:26]
Debo
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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Joe
Yeah.
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Debo
Yeah.
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Joe
Who's your defensive player? Debo of the week.
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Debo
I hate, I hate, I hate I gotta do this. Gotta get credit with credit, dude.
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Joe
Yes, you do.
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Debo
We got the same one, bro.
- [75:41]
Joe
Yeah. Yes. You watch the game.
- [75:45]
Debo
Hey, you watch. We're gonna see. Hey, we gonna see what he do against them Patriots, though.
- [75:50]
Joe
We gonna see.
- [75:51]
Debo
I. I'm here in New England now. Don't forget that.
- [75:54]
Joe
Yes, sir. We gonna see.
- [75:58]
Debo
Hey, Tua, Man, I probably could have did that against tour. Just put at where I'm at right now today, at 47 years old. I'm just saying.
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Joe
All right, we gonna see. Just saying, we gonna see.
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Debo
Now, I never played. I ain't never played DB in my life, but the way that went, I think I could have did. But look here, man, we want to thank y' all for joining us. Yes. For this episode of Debo and Joe. Man, we let Joe go ahead and get off his brown stuff, man. Hey, big ups. I ain't gonna lie.
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Joe
I had a Browns fit on yesterday.
- [76:31]
Debo
Defense, he had a fit on yesterday. You know what's so crazy? I ended up accidentally wearing a like. Like a chalk chocolate brown shirt yesterday, too, because I thought it was black, but it wasn't.
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Joe
Oh, I see.
- [76:41]
Debo
Hey, please make sure you guys like. And please subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. We'll be back here at it on Friday. Joe, what you got?
- [76:54]
Joe
My brother Debo? We will be back on Friday. I appreciate you. I appreciate you for giving the Browns a little bit of love. I appreciate that eye for the defensive player of the week that you have and my good man. I will see you on Friday and we out.
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Debo
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Joe
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Joe
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Debo
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Joe
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