Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Ravens defensive DUD in Lions loss, Prime calls out Travis Hunter's usage

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe - Reaction to Ravens Defensive Dud in Lions Loss, Prime Calls Out Travis Hunter's Usage

Date: September 23, 2025
Host: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Haden
Podcast: Club Shay Shay (iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, NFL veterans James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden dissect the Baltimore Ravens’ surprising 38-30 home loss to the Detroit Lions. They break down the struggles of the acclaimed Ravens defense, discuss play-calling brilliance by the Lions, Lamar Jackson’s heroic but pressured performance, and Derrick Henry’s fumble woes. The hosts also react to Coach Deion Sanders’ comments on Travis Hunter’s two-way NFL career, debate team culture around “undefeated” talk, discuss tribute protocols for returning stars, highlight league injuries, analyze Atlanta’s coaching shake-up, and finish with weekly awards and college football gripes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ravens-Lions Breakdown: Defensive Collapse & Lions’ Execution

[00:31 – 21:00]

• Ravens' Defensive Hype vs. Reality

  • Deebo mocks the “vaulted” Ravens defense as overrated, recounting recent games where they allowed huge yardage and failed to get off the field.
    • “This vaulted defense that can’t seem to get off the field…gave up 400 and some chains to Buffalo…still gave up 5.2 a carry.” (Deebo, [00:49])
  • The Lions' opening drive was 11 plays and “no resistance.”

• Lions’ Physical, Varied Offense

  • Lions drove 98 yards (18 plays, nearly 11 minutes), 13 runs: “Shoved it down their throat.” (Deebo, [02:43])
  • Joe: “It was embarrassing, you know what I’m saying?…There was no resistance.” ([02:45])
  • Detroit ran creative plays—double passes, option looks, and used star WR Amon-Ra St. Brown in multiple ways.
    • Joe: “Play calling…just making things easier…getting the ball in your playmakers’ hands.” ([06:04])

• Critical Defensive Failures by Baltimore

  • Missed turnovers: Detroit dropped two potential interceptions on one key drive.
  • Despite tying the game 21-21, Ravens leaked big runs, gave up chunk plays, and repeatedly surrendered long scoring drives.
  • Ravens’ 20 missed tackles (vs. only four by the Lions): “That’s bad ball…” (Joe, [14:14])

• Lamar Jackson: Heroics Under Pressure

  • Faced 30 pressures & 7 sacks!
  • Still went 21/27 for nearly 300 yards and 3 TDs.
    • “Think what he could do if he wasn’t under all that pressure all night.” (Deebo, [11:56])
  • Some sacks blamed on Lamar for holding the ball too long, but most responsibility falls to the O-line and defense.

• Derrick Henry’s Ball Security Issues

  • Key fumble shifted momentum late.
  • Deebo: “You running with our hopes and dreams…that ball is everything.” ([12:36])
  • Henry has now lost a fumble in each of the first three games—a concerning trend.

• Record-Breaking Futility

  • Ravens set dubious records: First team ever to score 111 points in first three games and have a losing record. ([13:10])
  • Gave up four scoring drives of 67, 98, 60, and 94 yards.

• Lions’ Balanced Attack and Defensive Edge

  • Out-rushed their own passing total (224 rush, 208 pass). Key 4th-and-2 conversion effectively sealed it.
  • Jared Goff: clean, efficient, 202 yards, 1 TD, 0 sacks.
  • Lions’ defense: 7 sacks on Lamar, only 4 missed tackles.

2. The Perils of “Undefeated” Talk in the NFL

[21:13 – 27:15]

• Discussion of Packers tackle Walker’s “undefeated” prediction.
• Both hosts strongly agree with Packers coach Matt LaFleur’s take: keep focus on “going 1-0 every week.”
  • Joe: “It’s hard enough to win a game…start looking forward, that’s how you lose to a team you’re better than.” ([22:19])
• Locker room and public talk about running the board gives every opponent bulletin board material.
• Early “undefeated” boasting likened to a “crock of…” ([23:57])

3. Tribute Videos for Returning Players: Jerry Jones & Micah Parsons

[27:15 – 31:57]

• Jerry Jones will not run a tribute video for ex-Cowboys star Micah Parsons as he returns with the Packers, citing key differences from icons like Emmitt Smith.
• Both Deebo and Joe agree with no tribute for a young player who just left after a tense contract saga.
  • “I don’t think you should give any tribute to a player you’re playing against that week.” (Deebo, [28:06])
  • “This is Jerry’s world.” (Joe, [31:39])

4. Travis Hunter’s Two-Way Struggles & Deion Sanders’ Critique

[31:57 – 37:36]

• Coach Deion “Prime” Sanders says Jacksonville isn’t using Travis Hunter enough—“He’s one of the greatest I’ve ever seen do both.”
• Joe rethinks two-way NFL careers:
  • “If you really good at a lot of things, you can’t be a master of none…just pick one…let him thrive at that.” ([33:12])
• Both recommend letting Hunter focus on one position (WR or CB) and only using him on the other side for special packages; splitting time hurts his rhythm, practice, and development.

5. 49ers’ Injury Plague: Bosa’s ACL and More

[37:36 – 42:37]

• New season, same 49ers injury trends: now lost Nick Bosa to an ACL (his second—done both knees), plus injuries to Purdy, Kittle, and Jennings.
• Deebo: “I don’t think it’s a curse…just bad luck, timing…”
• Detailed review of Bosa’s extensive injury history.
• Joe: “All teams take and get injured…that’s the season. It’s a long season.” ([39:46])

6. Atlanta Falcons Fire WR Coach – Coaching Accountability

[42:37 – 51:13]

• Falcons fire receivers coach Ike Hilliard after a shutout loss.
• Deebo speculates: either a “someone’s gotta go” scapegoat move after an ugly loss, or poor player development.
• Fun debate about whether ex-players make the best coaches, with both sharing personal stories of good/bad coach experiences.
  • Joe: “Not all ex-players are good coaches, but every ex-player I had as coach was the best for me.” ([45:02])
  • Deebo: shares story about nonsensical linebacker drills ([46:10])
• Receiver coaches often limited by the players/O-Coordinator/system; execution and personnel matter too.

7. Defensive Player of the Week & Notable Individual Performances

[51:13 – 54:04]

• Joe nominates Aidan Hutchinson (Lions DL): “He was getting after Lamar…unlimited effort, stopping the run, forced the fumble.” ([51:37])
• Deebo picks Isaiah Rodgers (DB): first NFL player to have a pick-six, fumble return TD, and two forced fumbles in a single game—all in the first half.
  • “My guy took one to the house, scooped another one up and took it to the house by himself.” ([52:28])
• Joe and Deebo ultimately agree: Rodgers’ performance is unmatched.

8. College Football Round-Up & School Pride

[54:51 – 58:54]

• Joe laments the Florida Gators’ lackluster play (“playing like baby Gators”) and jokes about NIL funds.
• Deebo deadpans about Kent State’s long losing streak and jokes about donating money—only to see the “James Harrison Strength and Conditioning Center” turn into a “trash gym.”
• Both hosts grumble over their alma maters’ woes, alumni engagement, and college football’s changing landscape.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Ravens Defense:
  • “This vaulted defense that can’t seem to get off the field…[let] them go the full length, 98 yards, 18 plays, almost 11 minutes, bro…shoved it down their throat.” (Deebo, [01:49])
• About Derrick Henry’s fumble issues:
  • “You running with our hopes and dreams…that ball is everything.” (Deebo, [12:36])
  • “We can’t have you averaging one turnover a game. That’s not winning football for us.” (Joe, [20:46])
• On Celebration Videos:
  • “I don’t think you should give any tribute to a player that you are playing against that week.” (Deebo, [28:06])
• On Travis Hunter’s Usage:
  • “If you really good at a lot of things, you can’t be a master or none.” (Joe, [33:12])
  • “Just pick one, whether it’s corner or receiver, and let him grind in, focus on that.” (Deebo, [35:15])
• On Coaches & Accountability:
  • “Somebody got to go. We just lost 30 to none…Receivers underperform…Hey, coach, we’re gonna have to get you up out of here.” (Deebo, [43:47])
  • “Every ex-player that I ever had that was my coach was the best for me…” (Joe, [45:02])
• On College Football NIL:
  • “Listen, y’all might not have enough NIL…We gotta get a gator fund, get the NIL bucket right…” (Joe, [55:06])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Ravens-Lions Defensive Meltdown: [00:31 – 21:00]
• Undefeated Talk & Team Mentality: [21:13 – 27:15]
• Tribute Videos/Jerry Jones/Micah Parsons: [27:15 – 31:57]
• Travis Hunter’s Usage Debate: [31:57 – 37:36]
• 49ers/Bosa Injury Discussion: [37:36 – 42:37]
• Falcons Fire Receivers Coach / Coaching Accountability: [42:37 – 51:13]
• Defensive Player of the Week Award: [51:13 – 54:04]
• College Football Closing Segment: [54:51 – 58:54]

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Conclusion

A packed episode with spirited, insider analysis—Deebo and Joe shine a light on football’s true behind-the-scenes struggles. From Baltimore’s unraveling defense to the challenge of maximizing generational talents like Travis Hunter, they bring player insight and lively debate every step of the way.

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Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe to our channel. You don't want to miss nothing. How you. How you doing today, Joe, man?

[B]

I'm doing good, brother. Deebo, man, always good after a great day, day, night, or watching football, man. How you feeling?

[A]

You know, I'm feeling real good, man. Anytime. You know, the Ravens lose, it's only one thing that's better than that, and that's a, you know, that's a Steeler win.

[B]

Okay. No, for sure, for sure.

[A]

You know, I can't think of nothing else. You know, the Ravens go in there and they get beat 38 to, you know, 38. 30.

[B]

At they crib.

[A]

At they crib. Here's the craziest thing. It's like I'm listening to the announcers like before the game, and they're talking about how, you know, the Ravens defense is so stacked. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, they gave up 400 and some chains to Buffalo. Cleveland don't really count, but they still gave up 5.2 a carry. You know what I'm saying? It was on the field for 70 plays, lost the time of possession. This vaulted defense that can't seem to get off the field. And the first player to drive what Detroit do they go down there? 11 plays is no resistance. They score and I'm sitting there like, whoa, okay, maybe, you know, maybe they just lacking Baltimore comes in. I really didn't expect them to go down that fast and just score seven. I think it was only like five or six plays or something.

[B]

Yeah, Lamar made it look easy. Derrick Hamilton, right?

[A]

I'm like, okay, okay, maybe. Maybe this gonna be one of them games I really not too comfortable with. It's high scoring games. I don't really like high scoring games. I prefer for the Ravens to lose every time, but I just, I don't. I don't like. I don't like high scoring games. The very next possession, dude, the punter, the punt returner, dude, he makes a horrible decision. I'm like, this is going. This look like it might be going sideways. They didn't put them in, like inside the tube, bro. Yes. I'm like, okay, let's see what's gonna happen here. But again, that vaulted defense that's so stacked that they said let them go the full length 98 yards. Yeah. 18 plays, almost 11 minutes, bro. And on top of that, 13 of those, 18 were running plays. So they went ahead and shoved it down their throat.

[B]

That dude, they gave him some Montgomery. They gave him some Gibbs. It was. It was embarrassing, you know what I'm saying? They started at the two, and they drove it all the way down the field. It didn't look. There was no resistance, right?

[A]

And then the very next possession, I'm looking, and I'm like, the Ravens start driving again. You know, they. They get a little short field, they drive, and they go for it on fourth down. And I'm like, please don't let them make it. They don't make it. I'm like, cool. They lose the points. They don't get the points. Rather I should say, yeah, you know, you get Detroit back on the field, I'm like, all right, Detroit, go do something. Nope. Ravens actually stood up. They. They. They go. They go three and out. I'm like, okay. Again, they done g these dudes a short field. Lamar then basically just takes it on him. Of course, it was a PI in that whole thing, but, you know, they tied it back up, man. We're going in the halftime. I'm thinking 14.

[B]

14, Debo.

[A]

No question. I'm thinking it's about to be one of these high scorers, dude. Then the third quarter comes in, and now I'm sure, like, it's going to be a high score. The Ravens run down there and immediately, boom with 21. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

When they do that, though, Debo, on that drive, when they came out, I would say the Lions, they could have picked the ball off twice, you know.

[A]

Drop one with Branch.

[B]

He came. He dropped the pick. And then they tried to run a double pass, and not a double pass, a toss to Henry. He tried to throw one. DJ Reed had one in the end zone. So they dropped. They had two picks that they dropped, and then they ended up giving up a touchdown on that drive. So I was looking at. I was looking at, like, the Ravens right there. Like, man, these. Yo, y' all gotta. Y' all slipping. You know what I'm saying? And then the Lions, like, y' all are letting them. Y' all could be trying to close them out, like, turning, making those plays, turnovers, but gave them more chances, drove it down. They scored there 21, 14, right?

[A]

So now I'm thinking, all right, the Ravens defense, they go. Come out and they go, go ahead. Put a. Put a stop to it. It's. It's. It's going to start being, you know, the defense that the announcers were talking about at the beginning. And no, Detroit goes down there, answers 21. 21.

[B]

21, 21. But let me tell you about this one, too. This is where I start talking about Detroit's play calling. Do you know what I'm saying? They did. Oh, yeah, they did a double pass in that drive, and then they did a double move with Amaranthe Brown, hit him with the double move to get that. To get that touchdown. It was like some of the things. It was just looking easier for the Lions than the Ravens. You know what I'm saying? Like, Jerry.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Way more consistent with it. Yeah. No question.

[B]

No, no. So we got back to 21. 21.

[A]

So now, oh, Detroit comes out, the defense answers three and out. I'm surprised by that. I ain't gonna lie, because it's Lamar. How many times you hold him to three and out is crazy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Now what does that Baltic Ravens defense do after that?

[A]

They go ahead and they give up. They go 72 yards to my guy, Dave Montgomery. Okay. And then the. When they scored, it was. I don't even know what to call this. Like a double pitch, a handoff pitch, whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was. That was.

[B]

They had my man Amarante Brown running the option with Gibbs. That was. That's why I go with the play calling. Like, just. Just calling. You know what I'm saying? Just making things easier for them. Getting the ball into your playmaker's hands. Some people are running scot free. Like, that was just great play call on the line side, making it easy for them to. You know what I'm saying? Get down the field, make plays happen.

[A]

So he make it easy now, you know, he. Montgomery came to that thing with that bop bop.

[B]

Oh, no, no. He was. He did. And he did catch it. And the refrigerator did jump on my man's back.

[A]

And no question. No question, I'm seeing him run, and I'm like, man, he. I hope he looking at the scoreboard because, dude, coming up on that right arm, he was.

[B]

He tried, you see, to start leaning.

[A]

Yeah, he started leaning right. Then Lamar comes in, immediately starts driving again. But what happens? The same issue that has been happening a little bit. Well, basically the whole game, like, he's pressured. He's sacked on two, I believe, two consecutive downs. It stalls him out. They end up having to settle for a field goal. And now it's what, 28, 24 games close, everything going good. Defense comes out there again. Baltimore actually stands up. They gonna have them at three and out they get a stop and lo and behold, Derrick Henry goes and fumbles the ball inside like they 20, 15 yard line.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, yo, if they get this tutty right here, it's over with. And I'm thinking the Ravens ain't gonna be able to stop him. They too close. Like they already drove on them for like 98, you know, and then another one for like 94. So I'm like, they ain't gonna be able to stop him. They actually stand up.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Hold them to three.

[B]

Give them three.

[A]

Right. So it's still, it's still within there, you know what I'm saying? But that defense of the Detroit Lions, dude, they come out, very first play, they sack Lamar, they don't put them behind the chains, they go three and out.

[B]

Dude, Muhammad was balling Hutchinson, getting after him the whole time. They had seven sacks, bro.

[A]

No, hey, no question about it. And then what does Detroit, they get that rock back. They only ran seven plays, dude.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

I believe five of them was run plays. And my guy demo again, he gonna go ahead and cap that thing off with a 31 yard touchdown.

[B]

No, for sure. But I'm. The biggest play on that drive too was the fourth and two that they hit one when they like, they kept, they kept sending Amaranthe Brown in to like insert block, you know what I'm saying? Kept having to insert block all the plays. Third and shorts, he was in the insert, blocking, insert blocking. And when you need the play could play, he comes in like he's about to insert block and he takes off on the 7 route and he holds him, you know, even if he didn't.

[A]

Catch it, the hole, didn't catch it.

[B]

You had the flag, you know what I'm saying? And that was a great pass by golf. So I look at it when in the second half is play calling, it's. It's execution, you know what I'm saying? That they were doing that was so good. So then Obviously after that 4th and 2, they got it. Montgomery, he's going to tote it in. He's going to get, he was doing it the whole game running for first down, every tote.

[A]

So no question, dude, like out of, out of control with it. I mean for this so called. I mean last year they were, they were good against run. This year they're, they, they're horrible against the run. So basically they down 14. I think it's less than two minutes left. They managed to get a little touchdown.

[B]

Mr. You know how that goes. Debo yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, you know, it's really kind of garbage time, but you work like, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Like 26. Hill broke a tackle and got that first down. And then it was able to do the garbage defense just retreat and retreat and they weren't right.

[A]

They did that. That.

[B]

The defense that you hated.

[A]

I hate that, dude. I hate that with a passion, dude.

[B]

And they gave it up. So honestly, at the end of the day, the score was really 38 to 24. That was a garbage seven. And so it made it look like they lost by eight. But, man, that last drive by. The last drive by the Lions being able to get that fourth and two and then score, that touchdown was amazing. And then Hutchinson and that defense being able to. Creating those sacks. They sacked Lamar seven times, and then he punched the Rock out, you know what I'm saying? On Derrick Henry. That was a Derrick Henry. You gotta make sure that you don't fumble the ball. But at the end of the day, that's great effort. He was going at the Rock. He was looking at that ball to punch it out. What I'm saying, like, so that's why. You know what I'm saying, you. You got to protect the Derrick Henry, but that's great defense of ball searching, trying to make sure you see the Rock go get that ball, you know, no question, dude. Them dudes were hooping in Detroit, you know what I'm saying? Being able to make those plays, dude.

[A]

I believe the Lions had more rushing yards than they had passing yards. Like, I think they had like 2.

[B]

Twenties, 24 Russian, and I think like 208 passing.

[A]

Yes, yes. That sounds. Yeah, that sound. That sounds about right, dude.

[B]

That's balanced Bowl.

[A]

The. The Ravens have issues over there. The defense right now is trash. I'm dead serious, Brad. Like, no, they've given up over 400 yards a game, bro.

[B]

That's not.

[A]

They're dead last, you know, in pass rating. I mean, in the past, like, as far as, you know, yards, they're. I think they're middle. Middle. Bottom half of. In. In the rush and dead last as a. As a whole unit, you know. And I don't know what happened with the offensive line. Lamar was sacked, like you said, seven times, but he was pressured 30, bro. Yeah, 30 times. And he still went. He still went 21, 27 for almost 300 with three tugs. Think what he could do if he wasn't under all that pressure all night, dude.

[B]

No, for sure, think what he could do.

[A]

And the Ravens only had 85 yards rushing like you built what you have right now around being able to successfully run the ball. And you got Derrick Henry who is in here making history. Like my guy done fumbled. You talking about each game in the first three games. He just made history with that. We gotta, he gotta get some, some ball security going on. Like maybe do some, some drills of some sort. And you know, I understand it's coming from the backside, but I mean at all times you're supposed to have that thing high and tight.

[B]

So dude, you know how coach, he said, man, he running with you, running with our hopes and dreams.

[A]

No question.

[B]

That is the livelihood of.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

If you lose the rock, that's the main thing. You can't just be. I know you're a great running back, but those are possessions. And you losing one each game, we don't want it to become a thing. I'm not knocking Derek, but that's just something that you can't have done. I know he's mad about it, but you gotta make sure that you can't be fumbling the ball like that. That's gonna mess up the squad. So like Coach T would say, man, you're running with our hopes and dreams. So that ball is everything.

[A]

Hey. Hey. They also became the first team and NFL history to have 111 points in a season through the first three games and have a losing record. Like they, they, they, they breaking all kind of records over there. And it's, it's because the defense is not doing their part. They're not even close to doing their part. You gave up four scoring drives of 69. No. 67, 98, 60 and 94.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

What, what defense that's supposed to be so great does that?

[B]

It's hard to make those drives to like ex make like, like just continue to get first downs. Not just like a chunk play, like a two play drive. We're talking about 11, 11 minutes off the clock. Talking about let longer plays.

[A]

They just had almost a whole quarter. Come on now what we talking about?

[B]

That's, that's not you.

[A]

On top of that, The Ravens had 20 missed tackles, bro.

[B]

No, that's bad ball. And especially when they're toting the ball at such a high clip. Montgomery was ran the ball for what was 11, 12 totes for 154. You know what I'm saying? He had the 75 yard. Without that, it's still 11. Like it's still 11 totes at 80 yards, 7.5 to carry. Regardless. If you take away the 75 yard.

[A]

You can't take it away. Ain't no taking it away.

[B]

Ain't no taking. But with the. With the 13 yards of toe. That's 13 yards of toe. Like, you're. You can't win like that. And then Jared Golf, he didn't get sacked. And no he. Zero sack, zero sacks, 24. I think it was 21 for 27, something like that, with 202 yards, a touchdown, zero interceptions. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what you're looking for. He's not. He didn't. Wasn't asked to do too much when he needed to convert those third downs. He was doing it, handing it off. Gibbs catching out of the backfield. They just have so many players that they just getting it to them when they need to, making the right plays. And they were just running through the Ravens defense, they couldn't really do anything. They couldn't stop nothing.

[A]

Oh, they couldn't even get close to stopping nothing. And that's something else. The Lions defense, dude, they did everything that was basically necessary, barring a few little things here and there. But again, they had Ravens 20 missed tackles. Lions only have four missed tackles on defense. Like they. They were wrapping things up and securing it.

[B]

Like, that's what you gotta do.

[A]

It's. Dude, it's only like four as a whole. Defense, what was it? I mean, they really only had whatever was it 40 something, 50 plays or whatever it was that really. That really mattered. But at the same time, like, you're talking about Lamar Jackson and that was probably four of the missed tackles. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

No, for sure. I mean, I saw them and they missed the tackle on that third and 26 at the end of the game during makeup when he ended up getting the first down. So you take away that play like them dudes was hooping, making, making tackles when they had to.

[A]

Oh, no question, dude.

[B]

Then that defensive line like Hutchinson, him being able to get after the quarterback, create those sacks and force the fumbles. Muhammad, like, they just had a bunch of dudes making plays in the back end. D.J. reed Branch, he was in position all the time. That's the other thing too. They weren't people just running scot free a lot saying, like people were making plays. Like Andrews made plays on Branch with him right in his pocket. Like, that was just a great throws, great catches, you know what I'm saying? But good position, you know what I'm saying? They gonna win some games. But it wasn't like he was just running wide open by himself on A.

[A]

Lot of them, yeah. And a lot of the guys that was with Detroit, they were. They were hurt last year towards the end of the year. So they back. They back full strength right now. So they're. They're getting. They're getting something that they did that they didn't see at the end. And I think people are. And plus, you know what? I think they had, what was it, eight new coaches on the whole staff of Detroit, two, both offense and defensive coordinators. I think they starting to get all that together right now and be able to put it together so that they can go out there.

[B]

No, do what they got to do. They. They look that they're going on an upward trajectory. You know how we said at the beginning of the season, we didn't really know it didn't look too good, but they continue to show that they're getting better and they're taking it week by week, game by game. I mean, I really like the way that they do their approach, and I think it's a head coach, like, they love the way they head coach keep going for fourth down. They're trying to win the game. They're not trying to lose. They're not playing scared. And if you got a coach that believes in you guys and you are executing at a high clip, you. Then, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

They.

[B]

Y' all are. Y' all are on the right. On the right path.

[A]

Oh, yeah, dude. It says before 2025, no starting quarterback had ever lost multiple games where they had 140 passer rating in a single, in a single season. Lamar Jackson already has two losses through three weeks over 140 for this year. He was 144 against Buffalo. He was 148 today. Well, yesterday against the Lions, both games they lost. Like, what. What do you say to your offense, your offense, your defense, hell, your offensive line this. This week, because they didn't really help much of, you know, the stats that he did get. They allow guys to smacking, hitting, pressuring. What do you. What do you say to that? Like, how do you come in and be like, yo, like, we could do this better. We could.

[B]

I think some of the stuff with the offensive line, some of the. Some of the sacks, I would say. I would say some of the sacks are weak. Like Lamar trying to extend plays and then keeping the ball a little bit too long. Sometimes Lamar take off. You know what I'm saying? If it's not there, we need just. Just go get something. Slide. Get down. You're an athlete like some of that stuff. Just trying to Wait, wait, wait. Like it's not there. It's not there. Get out of there. So some of it isn't as much on the offensive line, but at the same time, y' all are scoring, you're playing, you're efficient. Our offense is pretty efficient. We scored 30 points, but like, that's some stuff. We just gotta watch the tape, continue to do better. But a lot of these things aren't our bad as much. We can definitely do better. We can definitely protect Lamar. We can protect the ball. Derrick Henry, not fumbling once a game. We don't, don't turn the ball over. We're great. We're a good offense, but we can't be giving the ball back. We can't keep putting Our defense, Our defense is already struggling. Let's not help. Let's not hurt them anymore. You know what I'm saying? Let's try to give them short fields. Let's try to make them protect like leads. You know what I'm saying? If they're having to play from behind, they're not really. That defense is going to get us back into the game, so.

[A]

Well, hell, even when they playing ahead, that don't work either. We saw that in Buffalo. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I mean, something, something has to be done over there. I don't.

[B]

It's more the defense's fault. Of the rate on the Ravens and then I would say the offense. Oh, man. Lamar Jackson, his QB ratings are amazing sometimes. I'm just saying, don't keep the ball in your hands as much. Just try. Get out of there. Throw the ball away. It's okay. He. He averages less than one throwaway a game. It's so. Because he doesn't. He believes if it's in my hands, I'm going to make something happen. But sometimes just getting it out of bounds, living for the next play is a better situation. You know what I'm saying? So the defense can definitely, definitely do a lot better. Offense isn't really struggling too much. It's just. It's a team game. We got to have the defense doing a whole lot better. And we can't turn the ball over basically at all. Like Derek Henry, we can't have you averaging one turnover a game. That's not winning football for us.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It's going to start with the defense, though. 100 with the defense. I mean, of course the offense is not playing perfect, but you're looking at the numbers that, you know, they're putting up. We got to Be able as a defense to. To stop someone.

[B]

We're historically bad right now at the Ravens. Like you can't be asking, you know what I'm saying? Then the offense is doing good, but okay, not the best, but your defense is historically bad. Like we can do a whole lot better.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. So, Matt Lafure, watch how I say the braces before. If I don't go, if I don't put my lips out, it brace up against my stuff. He wasn't happy with the undefeated talk from his team. I guess after they went 2 0, the tackle walker said that he thought. He said, I see it. No, lafir said, I see it a million times. I say it a million times to you guys. I don't think I've obviously said it enough. To our team, the goal is to go one and oh, every week, he said. And it pisses me off when we start talking about things outside of the game, things that are. That are way down the road, like focus on. Keep the focus on the present, on now, and worry about getting better each and every day. How do you feel about guys when they go to the. Oh, I think we can go undefeated and actually put it, put it out there, say it in a interview. And you're only, you know, you're only 20 at that point.

[B]

I think it's dumb. At the end of the day, you. What coach said was the best thing that you could say, go 1 0. It's hard enough to win a game, you know what I'm saying? And then these dudes are getting paid. If you start looking forward and past, folks, that's how you lose to a team that you were better than. You got to beat the team that you playing in that stadium that week. That's all you got to do. That's all you got to worry about. Our film study, our focus is about this team because they can beat us. These are also professional athletes that we're playing against. And if you get your mind past that, you're thinking about something else, you can easily lose. You know what I'm saying? So I think you got to be singularly focused on exactly what the mission is, and that's each week winning this game. When you walk into a stadium, our goal is to beat this team. I'm studying, I'm doing all of my film work. I'm doing everything I got to do to win this week. And if we don't win this week, we'll figure it out Monday and Tuesday and on Wednesday, my goal is to win the next game, you know what I'm saying? Period, that's gonna be off your map. You're not worried about that because you're not.

[A]

Basically Monday, because they already.

[B]

Yeah, Monday, you know what I'm saying? So Tuesday is washed, but like Wednesday, we. We're completely singly focused on the next one. So it's like, you gotta. It's hard enough to win a game in this league, and then when you start thinking that you're better than you are and start preparing for other teams and not worrying about the team that's right ahead of you, that's how you're going to lose. Dog stomp them. Then if they're not good enough, you know what I'm saying? They shouldn't be on the field. Make this a stat game, go crazy, and then you can go to the next one and then work on that. So I completely agree with the coach and the way he thinks, because, like, it's any given Sunday, you walk into the stadium thinking it's sweet and you'll get smacked and then you'll be looking crazy trying to figure it out.

[A]

Yeah, I think what. I 100% agree with him. And when, when you hear guys say that and they say it out loud and it gets out there again, bulletin board material. You don't want to get nobody no bulletin board material because what you just did in week two, you just gave 15 teams bulletin board material because you looked at your list that you. Of teams that you had left and you said, win, win. It's all wins. Yes. I think we can go 500. So you just said that to them without saying it? I'm reading in between the lines. You just said you marking us as a W. Y' all go pop our ass. What happens, you go out there to Cleveland. Cleveland got a defense, the offense does its job, and you sitting there and that undefeated talk is a crock of. You couldn't even win the next game. So I'm 100 with him again. Taking guys like you, taking the team, like, oh, we go in here, do this. Oh, my whole schedule look like. When you saying something like that, your whole. To you, your whole schedule looks like. And it's, it's. It's nothing easy in this league, dude.

[B]

No, for sure. And Debo, even if you feel that way, you're not gonna go like, you can say it amongst your boys, but once you go put it out there to everybody. Now it's that, like you said, it's bulletin board material. You feel like you're gonna go undefeated. You think that any team you're gonna play, you're gonna win, but, like, going out there, putting it out there is bulletin board material. And then when you go out there and get dog stomped and it's this early in the year, that was for all for nothing. You know, you think you're gonna win? Just go out there, be. Say it. Be respectful in the media, because then that's not gonna do anything. That's not gonna do anything about how you go out there and play. You know what I'm saying? But I'll actually motivate somebody else.

[A]

Yes. Motivate the other team. Like, this is what you said, literally going into the. Before the. The next game, which is us, which is Cleveland. Like, he said this. If you can't get up for that, you can't get off nothing. And from that point forward, that could.

[B]

Be used at every.

[A]

Every team, because he looked at the thing and he said, oh, yeah, we running the board. I don't see nobody on here that could beat us. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't understand the thought process. Especially that, like, it's okay to sell Wolf tickets to the next game, but you just sold them to 15 others and you don't even know.

[B]

You don't even know.

[A]

You don't even know.

[B]

You don't even know. Man, you talking about, like, we. Not even. You're not even a lot for the playoffs. You're not even mathematically. Like, you could literally get mathematically eliminated. You know what I'm saying? There's so many more things that could happen.

[A]

Like, dude, that would be horrible if they went in. I. I don't see it happening, but.

[B]

I don't see it happening either. But we didn't see. Like, a lot of people didn't see the bright. You got to go in, you got to win the games. You know what I'm saying? Injuries, wise, not wishing anything on anybody, but you got to go out there. It's a long season. It's going to be wear and tear. Like, we want to see what happens in week seven, week eight, week nine, you know what I'm saying? Like, who. Who's still standing upright, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's. It's a very, very long season. And going in week two, talking about you gonna go undefeated because you won two games is actually crazy.

[A]

Yes. So Michael Parsons is returning to Dallas next week. Jerry Jones said the club will not plan for a tribute type video during Sunday's game against the Packers. Unlike the Ones they created for Emmett Smith or Ezekiel upon their return to Dallas. I don't. He said, I don't think that's appropriate this way. Emmett was a different story. There is. There is not. That's not to diminish, Michael. I think Micah has enough welcome out there and we need to show that's. And we need to show that we've got antidotes for that. All right. He's saying he go welcome him out there. They gotta stop him. What do you feel about this, dude? Me personally? This is how I feel about it.

[B]

How you feeling, Debo?

[A]

I don't think you should give any tribute to a player that you are playing against that week.

[B]

To.

[A]

Give any type of boost comp. All that. Like, you can get all that after you're done playing or when you're not in a game that I don't. I just don't. I'm not cool with it. Like, I understand that he was there for four years and he said, you know, this was a different situation. That was a different situation. But I think the big thing too though is like, he's playing the Packers. I'm not trying to give him a highlight show of himself in our stadium against us. I'm just. I'm just not. I'm just not doing it. Like Emma Smith was the. What.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Nobody.

[B]

So Emma Smith for show. But do you feel the same way about, like, Ezekiel? Because if Ezekiel Elliott got one, do you think it's a little different or. Or not? Because after Emmett Smith won Super Bowls for them, you know what I'm saying? And played for them for a very, very long time. Multiple definitely did a re up contract. I think. I think that's the other thing too.

[A]

Well, you gotta also understand that Jerry feel like Micah did him wrong.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

So it's a little different. You know what I'm saying? No, no, I think. I think the. The big thing is like, over time, especially in this business, what, you know, issues you may have had with a coach or owner or gm, they dissipate over time. It's not. It's no longer, you know. Yeah. And on top of it, like, it's no issues now in the current time that having the same. Or having that relationship you don't have, you won't have that same relationship with them. So you. You tend to just let things go and move on and you build back whatever that relationship would be, or you don't. And you just splice off. But people just. You don't care as much, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

I think it's a two way street. I think it's with Jerry Jones too. He didn't let my man Jimmy Johnson, he wasn't in the ring of honor for a while because you know what I'm saying, that relationship, knowing he should have been in the ring of honor. And then I think with Jerry Jones bringing in Michael Parsons, I don't think four years playing with a team deserves a highlight tape. Are you coming back to the spot? You know what I'm saying? If you were to win Super Bowls and been there for a while, multi contract guy and then coming back on your like latter end of your career, then maybe, you know what I'm saying, just out of respect, depending on how that relationship ended, you know what I'm saying? People do feel some type of way, like you said, and owners do have a right to either do it or not. And I know Jerry not putting Jimmy in the ring of honor for a while is more personal. And then like you said, once time goes by and bygones be bygones, he ends up putting them back in because like, all right, yeah, it is what it is, you know what I'm saying? But Michael Parsons, we just went through nasty contract negotiations.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You were here for four years.

[A]

This, this is still fresh.

[B]

It's too fresh.

[A]

Like, and I'm looking at my pass rush right now. No, no, I ain't giving you none of that.

[B]

None of that right now. No, no, I don't want you to feel like, nah, this is your world. No, this is Jerry's world.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, I could see definitely why he wouldn't do it. And it's just situational wise. So like don't feel no type of way that Jerry's not doing it. I can see why he's doing it. I would expect him to not do the highlight tape right now. It's too early, it's too fresh and you know what I'm saying? Michael was just in the building, so.

[A]

Definitely, yeah, for sure. So Travis Hunter, let's step over here. He's playing both sides on offense, defense. Played over 30 snaps at each wide receiver and cornerback for Jacksonville in weeks one and two. And it said, however, he has not been as impactful as thrust thrust far, especially on the offensive side of the ball. 16 targets, 10 catches, 76 yards. Coach prime, who has consistently supported Hunter, said, they're not using him enough. Quote, they're not using him enough. I've seen it with my own eyes on everyday basis for three straight years. So I know what he's capable of. He's always had at least five hours of study each week. He had a phenomenal. He's. He is just a phenomenal athlete, one of the greatest I've ever seen do both simultaneously. And he's dominated. What do you. What do you think? Do you think he just needs time? Do you think he needs a. A better.

[B]

Do you think my mind is starting to get a little bit. I'm starting to think a little bit differently than what I thought about at first. Just because what is. Say, like, you got to be a master. A master of. If you. If you really good at a lot of things, you can't be a master or none. So I'm kind of more now leaning to. If we want to, we want him to Jacksonville, we want to get him on the ball. We want him to be. He's an offensive player. He's a wide receiver also. If you want to do it, make him something 100%. Let him be able to get out there where he can get all of the plays on offense, know what's going on because he's a playmaker, he's a game changer. And I think if he gets the ball in his hands, like prime is saying, he can help your offense out. Splitting him and not being able to let him thrive, you know what I'm saying, at one is kind of, I think, limiting him and it's not letting him just be able to go all in and get plays on something like being able to get. Coming out, not being able to get a groove, getting the feel of a game. I think that is kind of a real thing. And me, I didn't play both ways, but I'm just saying, like, you got to get going and being able to get going on defense and then having to come out, get going on offense, starting to get a groove, having to come out. I don't know what kind of flow or what kind of rhythm you can get going. So I can see what Deon saying is like, you're not using them right. I think you got to use them 100% on offense or something or 100% on defense or 100% office and 20% on defense. But you got to make the main. One of the main things, the main thing to where he can be a Pro Bowler at something or he won't just be average at both. You know what I'm saying? I think he can be a really great Pro bowl receiver or a really great Pro bowl cornerback. But if he's playing both at the same time with the time that he's getting with the plays. He's not going to be able to impact the game in the way that he is. So he needs to be 100% out there on the field no matter what. And I think that's going to increase his impact tremendously on whatever side he ends up going, 100% of it. But he got to maintain something so he can be a master or something and not just good or average at two things.

[A]

Yeah, I, I think they should, they should do the same thing and just pick one, whether it's corner or if it's receiver and let him grind in, focus on that. And you can have, you know, special things here and there where he's not actually dedicated to having to learn a whole bunch on one side or the other to do whatever those few, you know, number of plays is. But I think if he's able to sit on one side, really concentrate on that, focus in on that, and just let his athletic talent, you know, dictate how he plays on the other, I think he, I think he would be.

[B]

More impactful thousand percent. Because the more and more I think about it though, too, Debo, it's like, how much time do you actually really have in practice, you know what I'm saying? Like to do the things like my office is doing their thing, defense is doing our thing, and then when we go together, you know what I'm saying? You're kind of. You can't be in two places at one time to be getting the install with the guys with everything and kind.

[A]

Of all meetings go on at the same time.

[B]

All means are going on at the same exact time. So you can't really be in two places at one time. So I love Travis Hunter. I don't think that, but I don't think, I think that it's not letting him be as great as he can be when he's got a. They're pulling. He's got to be in two places at one time. When you can't do that.

[A]

Yeah, you're giving him, I mean, I like, again, you're talking college, college to pro. A little bit of a different system. Especially, you know, when you get in there with, with, you know, defenses, you know, trying to have a rookie quarterback, you know, read defense is, is a challenge, you know, and getting out there as a receiver and knowing when, you know you're supposed to keep going, sit down, you need to work a little something here or there and being able to concentrate on Just that, that offensive side of it or again, defensive side of it. Whatever they, they. They choose to be. Yeah. Choose him to be is what's really, really going to. I, I feel like you be able to help him lock in on. On one.

[B]

Yep. Hey, man, look, I'm even put him on. If you're going to 100% offense, special teams, kick return, pump return, they just. I want to just get the ball in his hands and then on offense because he's a playmaker. If you want to do defense, you can do defense too, and all that stuff, but just make them let him do something. 100%.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So it looks like the 49ers are 3 and old buddy, they're doing well, but they just lost Bosa. He's out with an ACL tear. Do you think. I mean, they've from the last, what, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 years, they've led. Not led, but they've been up there high in, in injuries. Two of three. It looks like they were. They were number one. You feel like a curse. It's no curse. I don't think it's a curse. I think. I don't know, man. I think it's just bad, you know, bad luck, timing. Whatever you want to, you know, do. I mean, you got Purdy out, kiddos out, Jennings out. Now you got also out. Yep.

[B]

I mean, I think it's unfortunate. You know, I said everybody in the league is get. Everybody gets hurt. Everybody. All teams take and get injured. I don't think it's the second time.

[A]

That Bosa did his acl, man.

[B]

Bosa's been getting hurt a lot, bro. And I, I hope, I hope he's gonna, hope he's gonna be okay. But like, I. It's just them things happen. You don't want to. You don't. Like, like with Cincinnati too. I mean this all. All over the league, you got. Yeah great like name guys going down. So like I said too, with the, with the, like with the packers this season, it's a long season. It's going to be people going down here and there. It's just really like who's going to be able to stay. Stay the ship when people go down, next man up. And if you got a good next man that's going to just be able to keep it going. That's the season. It's a long season. 17 game regular season. Then you got to get to the playoffs. So all this stuff right now, just being able to win these close games, being able to figure your team out being able to just get in the groove is what the beginning of the season is all about. So I'm Sad for the 49ers, but all teams go through this. All teams go through transition. That's why you have to have your roster ready for. You know what I'm saying? When people go down.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Bosa Torres left ACL in 2020, and today is his right. Was that contact or non contact? Did you, did you, did you.

[B]

I. I saw he. He was, he was. He had somebody on him, but I, I didn't, didn't. I didn't really get to see how, how much it was. It didn't look non contact.

[A]

Non contact. Somebody was passionate.

[B]

He was, he was rushing and he had like, the attacker was on them.

[A]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a little. That's a little. What was his first one? Was his first one non contact?

[B]

I don't remember the first.

[A]

It's a high probability. When you, like, when you tear ligaments like ACLs, all that stuff, that if it's non contact, it's like, I want to say it's like a 70 something percent chance that you would tear the other one non contact because they say it's. It's a genetic weakness in your ligaments. So that's one thing that, you know, I was told, okay, so I hope.

[B]

You hope it hits.

[A]

I hope it was contact, not. Not non contact. Well, he already did both, you know, so, I mean, actually, big ham, Big ham tours acl, non contact, same thing. He did it. I think he did his other one in college, and then a few years later, he ended up tearing this other one, but big ham. Casey Hampton.

[B]

Oh, Casey Hampton. Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So that's something to be wary and cautious of. I don't even know if they look and see what, what is going on with, you know, like, players, if they go, you know, back that far and check things out like Bosa's. Bosa's injury history is wild. 2015, his senior year, he had a partially torn right ACL. His final year in Ohio State, he had core surgery. Second year in the league, he got the left acl. He had a groin last year, and then this year, you know, he got, he got a right acl. Like, yeah, man, maybe he's just injury prone.

[B]

I mean, that, that's, that's a lot of. That's a lot of injuries, man.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. Where is he working out at? Like, what type of training are you doing? I don't know. I mean, like I said, it's a combination of everything on that.

[B]

I mean, he looks swole. Oh, yeah, he looks swole. Like he working out, like he training, bro. I want to make sure he getting them things healed up right. He's both a family. Them dude's been in the league. It's a family of them dudes, so.

[A]

Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. So Atlanta said, you know what, man? We gotta do something, man. They fired. They fired the receivers coach, Ike Hilliard.

[B]

Yeah, man.

[A]

Yeah. So what. What do you think this was? I'm gonna go with. I don't know. It could be two things. Okay? So I'm gonna go with. It could be one of this. It could be a case of, hey, somebody gotta go. We just lost 30 to none, Carolina. Okay? Somebody gotta go to save the rest of us. Okay? Either we go get rid of one or all of us go get fired. So this. Who underperforming Receivers. Receivers underperform. Hey, coach, we're gonna have to get you. We're gonna have to get you up out of here. Hey, but the quarterback, he. He went. He. He went like 50, like, less than 200 yards and he had like, two picks. Yeah, but we can't get rid of him and we can't get rid of his coach.

[B]

Well, we can't get rid of his coach.

[A]

Hey, he. A rookie. Can't get rid of.

[B]

This is the first. The quarterback coach is the. Is a rookie coach for the.

[A]

No, no, no, no. Pinks is the rookie quarterback.

[B]

Quarterback. But I'm saying, who is this?

[A]

Hey, you can't. You can't pull out his. His. His quarterback. His. His coach in the first. In the first year. That's gonna look crazy. You can't do that. So.

[B]

Oh, it's the receiver.

[A]

Like I said it. So maybe it's the receiver. Or. Or it could be a com. Like, some coaches don't, like, coach well. And when I say coach well, I mean, like, like, develop their talent.

[B]

The talent that was.

[A]

Be able to get the most out of them. And I think you have some coaches that can do that extremely well and some coaches that can't. And then you have a lot of coaches that can, like, come into a situation and keep an already developed core together that has been, you know, developed without diminishing what they have there, because a lot of players aren't.

[B]

My question is this, though, Debo, do you know who I Killyer is?

[A]

Yeah, he was. He was wide receiver. Wide receiver for.

[B]

Yeah, he was a Wide receiver. He was nice. So my. I'm not going to speak because, like, you know, not all play. Not all ex players are good coaches, but every ex player that I ever had that was my coach was the best for me because they. Not. Not just because they had the experience, but they were able to say.

[A]

I can't say that. I. I.

[B]

You can say that. I can't.

[A]

I can't say that.

[B]

You can't say that. Okay. No, I'm just saying from my experience, I had Cornell Lake, and then I had Aaron Glenn. Those two ex players were really, really, really good coaches. And I'm not. Not like, I heard what you said too, because it could be.

[A]

Listen, I ain't gonna say. Listen, I ain't gonna say no names. I ain't gonna even say what team was, okay? I ain't gonna say nothing. But we're doing linebacker drills, okay? And the linebacker drill we're doing is wild, bro. It's a rush to passer, you know, sack, strip.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To like a. A drop in coverage or something. Like, dude, it was. It was wild, bro. It was like something that you can't complete on one play.

[B]

Strip, sack. Then you drop back into cover.

[A]

I don't. Dude, listen. I can't remember how bad it was, but.

[B]

And this was.

[A]

Listen, listen. Yes, yes, yes. So as soon as it happens, man, I look over at coach, I look over at my coach and he look at me and he's like, james, just please do the drill. I said, coach, I ain't doing this. This ain't gonna never happen in the play. I'm like, I don't even know why you let this dude run drill. Oh, so I've had that experience. Okay.

[B]

No, no, no. I feel that I had that experience too with. Not with. No. My only my coaches that played were good coaches. I only had that experience with non coaches that did drills that didn't make any sense. But I. Yeah, like, everybody's trying to.

[A]

Reinvent the wheel, dude. Like, you ain't got to it. No, stayed the same. The rules may have changed, but, like.

[B]

Just did the strip sack drill and then finish.

[A]

Hold up, hold up, hold up.

[B]

Maybe a scoop to the scooping school.

[A]

Okay, listen, now was another one where you go over the bags. You punch down on like. You know how you stop somebody from cutting you?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You punch down on like three, four bags.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then you rip through rush, pass, sack, recover, score.

[B]

If I hit four people, see no debo. See?

[A]

Shuffle down and still get through. Sack, fumble, see. Where is everybody else at?

[B]

See, no, this is what that, that's just, that's not realistic. But they doing some realistic things that could happen in a play, you know what I'm saying? So that's not like one play. You're gonna do all those things, but you may do each separate thing.

[A]

Why am I shuffling down and you're trying to cut me on a pass play multiple people because they want to.

[B]

Keep your hands down.

[A]

So where the other, where the other people at? I don't ran through four or five of them.

[B]

Yeah, no, you right, you should just do one. So you just say you just need to do legitimate one time, one person there and then move on.

[A]

There's no reason it's like it's not now full. And most of the time if you're doing, if they're doing an immediate cut block, it's a punch down. They trying to get your hands down. That means it's a quick pass and you out of this. Not. I'm not going down the line.

[B]

Boom, boom. No, no, no. Yeah, they dishes just. It's just you just not trying to do no unrealistic drills.

[A]

Yes. So like I said, that's why, you know, it could be a combination. I mean, and looking at, just looking at Hill Alerts coaching, you know, he has spent time as a receivers coach. So I don't know exactly, you know what it is. I think the most he spent was like maybe four, four or five years in Washington. And then, you know, it's a year here, two years here, a year here. And I think before this, he might have been out of it for a couple years. So I don't, I don't know exactly what it is, but it's one of them.

[B]

If somebody gotta go.

[A]

So hey, listen, for the betterment of the squad, somebody gotta go. We either go all lose our jobs or we're gonna have to sacrifice one.

[B]

Person for the betterment of the collective. Someone gotta go, and it ain't me, so it gotta be somebody.

[A]

Right? That's what I'm saying. So, I mean, how much can a wide receiver coach be responsible for. For all the, all the bad come that came through that game? Not a whole lot. But you know, when you start trying to. It's the same thing when you lose it. And you got the reporters trying to figure out what's going on. Why are they losing? They're a good team. Why are they losing? And now they see that, oh, so and so has a problem with so and so. Or this guy was late. You know, they started, they started Looking for anything. And the crazy thing is, 99.9 of the time, it was already there. They just wasn't looking for it. They didn't pay attention to it because it's nothing to look for when you're winning and everything's going good.

[B]

Now they. They're not winning, so they gonna be able to pick and point at everything. And I'm saying with that rookie quarterback, too, hopefully now you're looking at the quarterback coach and he said you got to develop him, so hopefully he's getting. If he's not getting better.

[A]

Yeah, the O.C. too.

[B]

O.C. man, they. They're that wide receiver coach, man. He only. He doing what the oc. What y' all trying to. What. What are y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

What are the plays? I'm just telling my receivers what we need to do from.

[A]

What. Hearing from y'.

[B]

All. So, I mean, we got to see what. What kind of.

[A]

Then again, dude, if it's an execution thing, that means your receivers aren't executing it. So, like, why would you get rid of the coach when you try and get you some different receivers? I don't. You know, I don't know.

[B]

Do. Gotta do better. But you know what I got. I'm gonna tell you who my defensive play. I got. My defensive player of the week.

[A]

Huh? Who you got?

[B]

My defensive player of the week is Hutchinson, the defensive lineman from.

[A]

I could go. I get. I can understand that his effort.

[B]

Amazing. He was getting after Lamar Jackson. He wasn't just sacking him. He was stopping the run. Unlimited effort. And then the punch out at the end of the game to force the fumble. He just. Unlimited effort, bro. Getting after Lamar and getting after Derek Henry. So I'm gonna go ahead and get after him. He was on that Monday night, all eyes on him, shout out Hutchinson.

[A]

So I'm. I'm gonna have to go with somebody else. I'm have to go with somebody that scored more points on defense than the team they were playing against did on offense. And that is.

[B]

I know where you going.

[A]

What's his last name? What's Isaiah's last name? What's his last name? Rogers. Yes, I'm going with Rogers. My guy took one to the house, scooped another one up and took it to the house by himself. He responsible for 12 points, bro. They could have won with just that. It would have been 10 to 12.

[B]

And look at me. I'm picking the. I'm picking the D lineman and you picking the db.

[A]

Listen, man, he went on here, points on the board. You can't you can't make it no better than points on the board.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

You can't. It's. It's nothing. It's. It's nothing out here, dude. Like, you gotta think about it. Isaiah Rogers became the first player in NFL history to record a pick six, a fumble return for a touchdown, and two force fumbles in a single game. Come on.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

And he did all that in the first half, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You want to change yours?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, for sure. He was. He was better. He was the defensive player.

[A]

Come on over here. Yeah, we got a senses.

[B]

Nah, that was my bad. That was my bad. I got. I got. I got reminded about the. I got reminded about it too late. I should have. I should have picked him.

[A]

It's good We. We in the census. We. We got it going.

[B]

He deserves it, though. That's for sure.

[A]

No question. No question.

[B]

He gave 12. He scored 12. He could have almost. He could have beat the packers by himself.

[A]

He could be Cincinnati by themselves.

[B]

Could be Cincinnati, and he could have beat the Packers.

[A]

This is true.

[B]

Young Bull went two zero.

[A]

This is true. He could. I see what you're saying. I see what you. The other game. I got you. You know I got you. You lost me for a minute there, I thought you. I thought your cte was kicking in.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. Devo y. I tried to keep my.

[A]

Head out of the nonsense, trying to keep it low. I try and keep it low, too, but my teeth, my braces be having me think they'd be like, man, you see? You're right. Talking. Can't even pronounce words, man, I think he done lost it. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

No, Vanish the braces. They be catching your lip.

[A]

Yo. Yo. Catching all that. I had. I had the whole thing up top at one point, and then I had it down the bottom. It first started off just like, on the right side to open up for it, too.

[B]

But you know what I wanted to say, too, you know, we got to talk about a little bit before that.

[A]

My.

[B]

We gotta talk about a little bit of our college football shit, too.

[A]

Cause, man, stop, man. You know. You know.

[B]

You know what? I gotta always bring up my Gators. I'm gonna talk about the Gators, and they got to be more careful.

[A]

The Gators.

[B]

The Gators.

[A]

Y' all even got a football team.

[B]

In, my man, right now. We out there playing like the baby Gators, but we gotta do better.

[A]

What? Y', all.

[B]

I don't know what's going on. I love. I love Florida. I Love the Gators, but we gotta get back on track. We got to get back on track leg way. What are we doing? Our office. Zero explosiveness.

[A]

Listen, y' all might not have enough Nil nli. What's that?

[B]

We gotta. We gotta all. We gotta get a gator fund and get the nil bucket, right? And we got to start figuring it out. We got to talk to some alums.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And we'll have to get it right.

[A]

Start right here with Joe.

[B]

I'm calling. Yep, yep. I know. I know Pouncy. I know Mage. I know the boys. They was down there at the game, and that was not the display we was trying to give. So Florida, we're gonna have to get back on it. But it's always. But it's always Go Gators. It's always go Gators. Where's my.

[A]

Where my dirt? I gotta. I gotta always go helmet or something around here.

[B]

Oh, that's not.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

I'm talking always.

[A]

You put a gator on you, bro. Gator.

[B]

So always go get it.

[A]

I'm gonna talk about my. My school. Oh, State.

[B]

Adam. Good old State, boys.

[A]

State University. Golden Flashes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the game in the last, like, 20 something, though. That's. I mean, we. We ain't got no. We ain't got no funds. We ain't got no. And I ain't starting no funds. I'm gonna be 100 with y', all, you know, as soon as the dude get good, you know, you know, they come. They come snatching. You get a good one. They. You know, they come snatching, you know, you know, you lose them for a little bit of change, you know, So. I mean, I. I don't.

[B]

You ain't. Debo. You funny. You ain't donating. That's for sure. Who.

[A]

I donated already, bro.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

Okay. They got. Listen, they got the gym trash.

[B]

See, Debo, it was trash.

[A]

It went to trash. It used to have weights in it. I think it got bands in there now. It's hot. Boo. Boo. Okay. Like, hey.

[B]

And, you know, I'm.

[A]

It's called the James Harrison something something.

[B]

James Harrison something. I can't. I'm checking.

[A]

Listen, take, please. If y' all ain't gonna put it back to what it used to be, man, it ain't nothing spectacular, but at least you know what I'm saying. Just go ahead and just. I don't. It's. It's a bad situation over there, man. It's a bad situation. Like whoever. Like, they switching coaches Like. Like, you change your draws, man. Oh, man, it's bad. It's bad. So I don't. I don't.

[B]

My bad, man. Look, look, both of our schools not doing the best right now, yo.

[A]

They need to go ahead and take the James Heston Strength and Conditioning center and. And just please, like, do something. Pull my name off that thing, man. It ain't. No. It ain't nothing to get strong in there with. What you want me to do?

[B]

Okay, we gotta throw some weights in there.

[A]

Devo, I don't. I don't understand. And on top of it. Hey, they spelled it wrong on the school website, bro. Kent State.

[B]

Come on, you gotta do better for Debo, man. We got to.

[A]

You got to do better for everybody. Y' all know. Y' all had Jack Lambert there. Jack Lambert, Kent State. Wow. You ain't know that, did you?

[B]

Nope.

[A]

I knew you.

[B]

I knew at the Edelman.

[A]

Edelman. Gates. Gates Crib.

[B]

Antonio Gates. Yeah. Come on.

[A]

He played basketball, though. He ain't want to come out for the hoop.

[B]

He still went to Kent State.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Like. Like. I don't understand it, dude. Anyway, man, we walk. We about there. We want to thank you guys for joining us again. We need you to like and subscribe to Debo and Joe Hit the button, please.

[B]

Come on. Like and subscribe to the Debo and Joe Show. We coming to you every Monday, Tuesday, and Friday here with the taste.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

We will be back Friday.

[A]

And we out. This is an I Heart podcast.