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This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome to this episode of Debo and Joe. I am your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss. How you doing today, Joe?
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B
Man, I'm doing good, Deebo. I'm doing well, man. How you doing?
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A
I'm doing real good, man. Listen here, man, before we get started, man, I got. I got something to talk about, man. This fine that they, they gave. What is it? Saint Saint. Saint Pierre Brown. Saint Brown. Yeah. Okay. It's idiotic. Y' all need to find yourself for letting it go out. If that's the case, if you feel so strongly about it because you bleep out everything else, you bleep out. Damn, all this stuff. You, you, you bleep. You bleep all that out. But this right here, you're finding him for. You ought to find yourself for not having some type of delay. If y' all feel that strongly about what he said. Because he said, I run this. I done heard you bleep out. I done heard people say I run this. So it gotta be the.
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B
Yeah, I hear you. This is the one part, what I'm saying, like, a lot of this stuff is getting caught live. Where when the refs are announcing the call. Like when my man Jackson Smith said this is some bullshit to the ref and he was about to throw him, hit him, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shit was crazy. He was looking at the ref, ref was looking at him like, man, like, I could literally throw a 15 yard flag at you right now. So I understand what you're saying. So sometimes things on live can get caught. So it's like you're understanding. Is it because he said the nigga word? Is that why he gotta be. Because people, when you say the delays, certain things are going to get caught because those airborne.
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42, 000, bro.
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$42,000. Understand? That's so. So what I'm trying to get there.
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Hey, where. Where the NFL PA at, man? Where them bum ass. Where. Where they at? Like, like, where in your contract wearing the collective bargain agreement to say you get fine for saying 42, 000.
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B
There's no, there's, there's not, there's not. And then at the same time, when you're on the field, these are. This is what people. Was people getting fined for everything that was said on the field. That. That's not okay. Like, people are out there, they're getting cussed. Out. The ref got just cussed out by Jackson Smith. Like on the field, there's some like, are they not going to find him $43,000 for it? So it's like, don't be begging.
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A
Hey, hold up now. If you find him 43,000 for that, then you got to find everybody else for every cuss word that come out there. That is normal talk conversation through the whole process. And I think then they got so sensitive with this word. Like, he's not saying it in a like derogatory type. Hey.
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B
Not hard. Not hard.
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R. Yes. Not. Not hard R. Yeah. And he wouldn't say that anyway.
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B
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, he's like. He's saying he couldn't just. He's just talking.
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No question. 100 talking. So if you go back and they go, they caught the right. So if they catch that and they go and find him for that. Now these dudes, they can't even talk no more. You can't even say nothing.
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B
It's the heat of the moment. It's the battle when dudes is playing like, dude, dudes get riled up. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the game, you'll dap it up with dudes, whatever. But you say some things that are definitely out of characteristic. Dudes are out there blacking out, like legitimately because you're playing hard and emotions get high. So you say some stuff and it is what it is. But at the end of the day, if you're just literally walking and stepping, they trying to find people. No question, no question.
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A
Look here, look here, look here, man. This is what needs to happen. ST Brown needs to call the nflpa, the leadership of the NFLPA and be like, yo, what's up? Do something, help me. Come on, come on, do something. You just got to what the executive when he got partial, whatever it is. Listen, that's why I gotta run for nflpa. That's why I got to be the guy there. You ain't gonna have nobody there that's gonna fight for you like me. Yeah, I know what you go through. I don't played the game at every level. I've been a practice squad player. I've been a dude making minimum. I've been a dude making a lot. What do you talk? I've been fine for all kind of. You need somebody that's gonna fight for you. Go talk to an flpa, see what they go do. I ain't heard people word out of them since this happened. They should have been going, going hard for him immediately. Where they at? Listen, I'm James Harrison and I approve this message. James Harrison, NFLPA Executive Director. Let's go.
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B
Let's get it. Debo, I feel you. That's that I understand where you're coming from. When you're saying about if you're going to start finding dudes for what every word that they say while they're on the field, that is something that you're going to open up a whole different bag of worms. If it's because he's saying the N word, the nigga word, that something you're uncomfortable with. NFL you like, that's. That's not in the rule book, you know what I'm saying? So it's just. It opens up a whole different bag of worms. I don't think they want to get involved in. Because you caught my man Jackson Smith, if that's the case, cussing out the ref, and that's just what you do.
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What you gonna do? But you go, you. Hey, listen, man. You, you, you. You walking a thin line right there. If you go and find him for that. So you saying you could cuss. You just can't cuss while. When, when they go here, if that's what they do. I don't know. So if that's the case, what you.
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B
Need to do if you're gonna cuss.
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Don'T get caught no damn self too for having. Having the mic live and everything else. Y' all need to get a good 30 second delay so you can bleep that out. So that way you don't get fined, they don't get fine. Whatever you find now you need to find yourself 10, 10, 20 times as much for letting it get out there. Bombs?
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B
Yeah, no, for sure.
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Sure ass.
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B
Yeah, it's them live sound bombs every time.
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And it made me come about it, man. See, listen, man, I'll be trying, man. I'll be trying, bro. Listen, man, let's get to this now. This Seattle Cardinals game, bro, I did not see this thing going and ending up where it was at 20 to 23, dude. Like the first quarter, I'm thinking, let's go. Something gonna happen. It's gonna go wild, like, but not really, you know. I think the biggest thing that happened was the fourth down that Seattle went for. They didn't. They didn't convert it. When they didn't convert that, they gave Arizona a short field and hell, I think the second play, dude, Arizona had an interception. Yeah, they had an interception. They had a pit early Got lucky. It got back. They got it back, and then they were able to. I think they hit a run for maybe like 10, 15. They got a face mask that advanced another 15.
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B
He went to throw a 10. The, the, the, the first pick that they got was when they went to throw the, the dig to Marvin Harrison Jr. And he, he quit on the route. That was the one thing I didn't like. You got to keep. You kind of. You got to keep.
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I wouldn't, I wouldn't say he quit on. I, I, I would say he, he did not think that it was going to go to him. Slow down, stop. Even if he had, from the way he threw it, even if he had dug through that, I don't think he would have, he would have still caught it.
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B
No, I don't think you would have caught it, but at least we could have played D. We could have played db. We could at least broke it up, like, you know what I'm saying? Your quarterback was believing it, so that that was the one. And then they ended up getting that back, though, you know?
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Yeah, but then, like I said, they moved. Got a little run, a penalty advance, and then false start basically made them have to settle for the field goal. So. But Seattle comes right out. I think it was six, seven plays. Y had a pass of like 12. The touchdown was 16. A run like 10. Another one for 21. Day seven, three. Now it's, you know, I'm thinking it's about to be a. They about to roll them or something. And then the first possession, they get back, Arizona, they. He gets sacked, like, two times. No, he gets sacked once. I think it was second down, and it was a scramble on the third, and they end up having to punt. I don't know. Right? I don't know. I'm thinking then, like, it's more of a. I don't know. It's. Maybe it might end up being a possessional thing. You know, first quarter, Pete, people don't sometimes don't play up to the potential that they could, you know, be playing to. And then Marvin goes, and he was just out of character, I guess. He dropped the pass. They tip interception. Seattle gets the ball. You know, they're driving, and the nag on running back. He stalls him out. You going, you go and throw the ball at him. You got to talk to him without a flag. You got to point the ball at him without a flag. And then you said, the hell with it. Let me throw it. And now you get 15, you know, you, you killed a drop.
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B
Yes. Yes. Self inflicted wounds on the Seahawks part. On that part. Just a little discipline. Like the holding. We had a holding a little bit later and then on that play, you know what I'm saying? So I think they, they definitely a lot of the stuff that happened to them was more they, they. They can be in control of it. It's just emotions like you get. You can't you on. On a holding. And then on that play, like you said, he got away with the first thing Taunton put the ball up to his face and then he still threw the ball at him. I'm like Walker, that's. That's the triple crown draw. You definitely.
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You ain't know when to stop. You ain't know when. Good enough. It was good enough. Arizona do nothing with the balls. He had him come back out. They hit like a 32. You. I think dude scrambled for about 15, 20. And then you know, the PI. That put. That put him right there. Score again, it's 13. No, it's 14 three.
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14 three.
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Yeah. And you know, basically at the end of the half, Kyler is almost picked on the first one and then he's sacked and pressured and you know the half hands, you know. So you go out there and I think Darnold went like he didn't have a bunch of yards, like maybe eight of 11, something like that for 120, 125 Kyler, he had two picks, 14 to 23. I don't even think it was 100 yards, like 80, 85 yards, something like that. And there's only. Only had like 107 yards, bro.
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Like in the first half.
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In the first half. That's not what you want to, you know, that's not what you want to start, dude.
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No, no, not at all. And then we legitimately with those first two, we had two turnovers in the first half. They ended up getting one back and then they got three points off of with a field goal. But that's not, that's not going to be. That's not what you need on your offense for sure.
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No question. But then az, they come out beginning the third, the boys get a sack fumble. But they let, they let Seattle recover it and they end up getting three up out of that. So we had what, 13. No, three to 17?
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Three. 17 three.
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Dude, again, Kyler was under pressure all night, dude.
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Like he got sacked six times.
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Yes, dude. The next possession, dude, he, he's pressured. They get a holding call like then they got a punt again. Like it's. But the defense did finally show up, though. They did like a. They did three and out. I think a couple possessions later or something like that.
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Third quarter defense was good.
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Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that. That's. Yeah, they did a three and out. I think Arizona was driving the ball, but I think they got sacked twice. Yeah, they got sacked twice and ended up having to settle for a field goal that got behind the change. So you know how that go.
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I think that was because basically they had the Jackson Smith for jig, but they had to run. They got it all the way down there. And then he did the holding. He got called for holding. He almost got the double flag. Cause that's when he pulled out to the ref. They caught him walking by him on live tv. Ref, that's some bull. And the referee looked at him like he want.
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I ain't gonna lie. I don't think that was a whole. That's one of them situations where you get hit and you get ran over and you just, you know, he goes up. You know what I mean? I don't know if he really pulled him in like they was trying to say he did.
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I don't know for sure. But. But that's. That's another just. That's another play that happened. That's another. That's. That was the flag there. It was on him. And that was another play that kind of stalled another one of their drives. I think Seahawks, like I said, they could have beat them by. They could. I think they could have beat the Cardinals by a lot more. It was more close than it looked, and especially the Seahawks, the Cardinals played a great fourth quarter. You know, you about to get into that, but at the beginning of the game, it looked like the Seahawks should have definitely been. Beaten them by a lot more than they were.
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They should have. I mean, they didn't. They didn't. Like I said, you had penalties that. That slowed them down even after it was 16 to 7. You know, Seattle comes out and they go 14 plays, and they only get a field goal because they had two penalties. One was a holding. Yeah, it was a false start. So they end up settling for another, you know, another field goal. It was three field goals there that, you know, could have. Could have turned into, you know, seven points right here.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, from that point, you know, Kyler Murray kind of does what he needs to do and. And. And. And takes it sort of into his hands, and he just, you know, he's like, you know what? I'm just scrambling up out of here. I think he hit for almost 30 and then they had that huge, huge piaco. Yeah, that put him at the nine. And then turning again, he gets sacked, he gets sacked again. And I'm thinking, oh, they about to be stuck. But Arvin finally comes through. 16 yard. Dude, when he caught that ball, I thought, I thought he was about to cry or something. How long he stayed down there.
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Because he's been dropping the ball a lot, you know, like his season hasn't been going the way he wanted. It's been previous games he's been dropping the ball. So you know, he, he, he, he, he knows he's good. He knows he's not playing to his ability. And then them two plays before, like him dropping the one and it coming off of his fingertips and turning into a turnover, you know what I'm saying? Like he sees stuff, he feels very emotional. I could tell he cares. He wants to be great. So just being able to get in the end zone, you know what I'm saying? Try to, trying to fight back. Doing a really good job in the fourth quarter, coming up with some third down conversions and catching that pass, I know it was emotional, you know what I'm saying? Just because I've been fighting for my life.
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Listen, listen, I'm gonna lie to you, bro. After Seattle missed that field goal, you know me, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, I'm like, oh man, I think that again. Arizona a shot now. And what, hey, hey, what does he do? They came back out there, fourth down, they converted that thing, bruh. 20, 20. I'm like, oh my goodness, they might lose this game. And the kicker doesn't get the ball into the drop zone, puts him at the 45. Darnold completes like a 20, 25 yarder and then they do a little run and they, the field goal, the kicker get to come back out and redeem himself.
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That's why I'mma respect Darnold. He went out there, he made a play. The kicker, you got to get it into the drop zone right now. Protecting the, the field goal. Kickers are kicking the ball Debo from way deeper. We had to protect the 35 yard line. Now you got to protect damn near the 50. So kick the ball deep and get the ball like make a tackle. Within the 20, within the 25, knowing you got to stop at least two and two first downs, you got to stop 25 yards. The one thing I do respect from the defense was they didn't play bail. They didn't just back up and see to it. That was man to man. That was a great throwing catch that they had to perform. It was tight coverage and they back shouldered it to get they Jackson, Smith and Jigba and Donald made that play. It wasn't just like no. Just nobody on them. So I respect him for that but that's why I feel like Darnold and got credit for that. But at the end of the day, punt the ball deep. So I mean kick the ball off deep. Don't get him all the way starting at the 40. So they need damn near 10 yards to be within these new field, these new kickers field goal range. So I think they did make a great play, you know what I'm saying? They had to do that. They didn't just play that backup defense. That man threw a great back shoulder fade. Smith and Jake but got his feet and it was beautiful. But I think they need to do better coverage and them right there. I mean it was a great play on the offense.
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Yeah, they need more. They need more. Marvin Harrison, Kyler said after the game, he said he loved the way that he fought back and continued to play hard and continued to make plays. Obviously he's probably going to go to. He's probably going to go home thinking about that shit. But at the end of the day, again it's football. We all make mistakes. But he continued to battle. You know, I think that's a good job of Kyler, you know, being a leader and you know, instilling, you know, some confidence into, you know, his, his young player and letting him know, you know, this is not the end all anything could be turned around. Just like you said, do have bad three, three quarters and in the fourth quarter, you know, he was a big part of why they were able to turn around.
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Yep, thousand percent. I think that's a real great job of Kyler just giving his receiver that motivation and letting him know he's still there with him and being able to fight through the first couple of quarters. I know you didn't mean to drop the ball. It's not your intention to drop. I know you want to do good. Seeing he gets in the end zone, how emotional he is with it. So I think it's a really good. His quarterback supporting him and you know, just, just continue to. You got it. Just it's. He knows, you know what I'm saying? So like, you know, people like man, you got to catch the ball. It's like this. Obviously I know Marvin Harrison, Marvin Harrison Jr. Knows this more than we do. He's going to be out there trying to. He's trying to. He's going to have to just do better. He's going to have to get it done.
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Yeah. Arizona needs to do better. I mean, the offensive line has to do better.
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Yeah.
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Too many pressures, too many sacks. Kyler needs to be able to throw the ball downfield. You know, I think he had. I don't know, maybe it was seven or eight passes that were actually behind the line of scrimmage. And Marvin obviously has to get out of the funk. He has to go in there and play better. And their defense, they need to be more consistent. They gave up way too many explosive plays.
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B
Jigba was eating on the outside. Walker was breaking through a lot of those. A lot of those runs. Yeah, Darnold was converting. Darnold was doing a good job, too, just using his legs, hitting Jackson Smith when he needed to. So, I mean, I was honest, honestly, looking at the Seahawks like they were doing a. They were playing a really good game.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's a really good game. Darnold did pretty good. You know what I'm saying over there.
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He wasn't turning the ball over.
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Right, right. 18 to 26, 240 yards, touchdown. You know, I think he's starting to earn a little bit of that, you know, three year, $100 million contract that Seattle gave him.
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Come on, man. That's. And that's. That's right around the. You know, that 33 a year, when you got dudes making 60, 55, that's just boom. Stay with state of keeping it. And when you say 33 is keeping it afloat, that's that double. So he's chilling.
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No question. He doing. He doing what his. His pay. He. He's doing what his pay says he.
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Should be able to do right there. You know what I'm saying? And I love it. And just making sure and then, man, maintaining the ship. You don't got to do too much. One touchdown, zero turns.
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Hey, the defense is doing. The defense is doing well. I didn't think they were as good as they were because, you know, when they played against my Stillers, I was just. I think that was just hate, you know?
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For sure.
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Yeah, sure. Sure. For sure. So I didn't. I see it now for sure, but I couldn't. I couldn't see it then.
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Yeah, no, because, you know, you had your goggles on. You had your Steeler goggles on. Just basically like, we're better than them. I don't know how they gonna come in here and beat us. Not really. Just looking from the outside. In so now you looking from the outside when they playing a different team, you looking like, okay, oh, I could actually see how they can get some things done.
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For sure. For sure. Speaking of Steelers man, my boy, my guy, Big Ben, I guess he had a little bit of criticism for the vanilla Steelers defense ahead of the Ireland Vikings game. He said to me, without studying our defense, it seems like we're pretty vanilla defense as it is. It doesn't feel like to me, we're getting a lot of unique pressures, unique defenses. He said. Even. Even? No, I think even. Coach Tomlin said today in his press conference. He said something along the lines of situational and circumstances are preventing them from doing things. And I don't know what that means exactly. He added that he isn't sure what's preventing Pittsburgh from trying new things, but he sure hoped for things to change in the scheme. He suggested blitzing cornerback Jalen Ramsey and unique and utilizing linebackers in different ways. So when I came back in. Was it 2014? Yeah, 2014. I was with the Bengals in 13. Yeah. Unretired. Came back, back. They got me to come back. When I came back, Dig Lebo was still the D coordinator, but they had changed that defense.
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Okay.
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And when he says it's vanilla, that is a true statement. They changed the defense to make it easier to learn and understand so that players could play sooner. So with the true Dick LeBeau fire zone, there is a real life learning curve. Like you could be in the defense that has you blitzing free, no responsibility, and they motion and now you're locked up. Man on, you know, number three. But that's like a single nuance that you have to know. And every defense has one weakness. When you go and you try and change things to make it easier for player A or B to play, you create other weaknesses and gaps in the defense.
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No, no, for sure.
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For sure. I think what they're running into with guys being out of place, people not being covered is they're changing things so much to try and make it simpler, but they're adding more gaps and holes to the defense in the process.
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Yeah. Do you remember the defense? Because I could speak on that when I came in there in 2017. You were there too. And the way that the fire zones were and just the communication wise I been in, it was good for me because I've been in being able to be. It was different. It was simple. It was vanilla, like you said. But it was easy because everybody. You could be able to understand some stuff like you had to communication you had to be able in communication with the linebackers, because the defensive backs, the safeties and the linebackers, if there's motions, there's going to have to be communications. People have to start covering people. You could turn from a, like you said, a blitzer with no responsibilities to Garden 3 to Garden 2. You know what I'm saying? So having that communication is big. And when Coach Tomlin is saying that we're calling vanilla things, they're just simplifying, like just basically like cover twos and just not like everybody staying in the simplified spots. But that's making other positions be able to is errors. You know what I'm saying? It's making room for error. There's too much gray. Like you're saying there shouldn't be gray. You should be able to do this. Player A can do this, Player B can do this. But if you start saying, no, this dude is in this position, oh, we're going to start trying to move it and make this, make these changes. It makes too much gray. I just like when you, like you said, this is what it is, this is what it is. And you got to be able to communicate that and stand on it instead of being able to, nah, they can't make this play. We're going to start moving and shifting things around. I don't. It creates confusion.
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A
Yeah. Well, what it does is, especially for when I got back, even go to last year, the playoff game with. Was it Baltimore last year? Was that last year Baltimore playoff game we had. Was that Stillers playoffs?
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No, year before the. The Steelers last time in the playoffs. Brody.
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Didn't they played the Ravens or something? Didn't they?
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No, they played the Browns.
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Are you sure? Or was it the last game of the. No, because Lamar was playing.
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So it must have been the last game of the season. I don't know if it was the playoff game. Cause we normally play the Ravens.
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Yeah, January, they got beat by the Ravens in the wild card game.
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Okay.
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So I'm watching that game and I'm trying to figure out what's going on. And the outside linebackers, that's playing on the end, they're crashing down in the triple option to get to the fullback where normally you play and you play. You play quarterback to pitch. What they had us do when we did is we actually just ran down to smash the quarterback is what Coach LeBeau changed it to. When I saw the linebackers, the outside linebackers smashing down to try and get to the dive, I knew he was in trouble. They had changed it to something that I didn't even recognize. Like, I even tweeted out, like, why are our outside linebackers crashing down on the dive? Like, now you got Lamar out here free, and you got a safety coming down full speed, and you think he ain't gonna be able to get loose or pitch it off or whatever it may be. So that's like one of those things that. That I saw even from when I. After I. I was gone, that had changed, you know? And like I said, when I came back, I'm sitting there, I'm like, yo, what's going on? They're like, yeah, we had to. We had to simplify it. We called it dumb it down. We. They said they had to simplify it to make it easier for, you know, guys that they wanted to play now to be able to play where before the learning curve was at least a year, if not two, before you could understand the whole concept of, you know, digglabot defense.
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No, I get that, but I will respect that. I like the way that you said it back. If you have the same coach that's there for a long time that's creating a system that the player is going to have to. Eventually, it's going to take you a little learning curve to learn it. But once you get it, it's what the defense is. There's not going to be any grade. There's no mistakes there. I think that you got to take that time to get that learning curve in. But I know coaches like this. No, this young dude, he's good. We're going to need to get him out on the field no matter if he knows how to really handle this read option the correct way. We just gonna make him take quarterback every time. And then somebody else is going, right.
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You try and simplify it, try to dumb it down. Yes. In that process, you mess up everything else that comes off of that. So now you got to adjust this, and you got to adjust that. So now the safety that's supposed to be, you know, doing something else now, he got to come down and take care of that. So now you're really. You're trying to fix one thing here and one thing there, but you're really adjusting sometimes the whole defense from it, or at least half of it.
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B
I think that that should go back to. At the end of the day, too, with. With that, like, they would have to just do a better job of training camp installs, you know what I'm saying? Making sure these things are getting drilled, making sure these things are getting worked on. Like, just the simple. The simple things. You know what I'm saying? If you have dive. If you don't have dive, like, these are the core values of the defense. This is what we have to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, the two motioning dudes around, like, figuring out that stuff. So that all starts, I think, at training camp, too, but making sure, like, now just the time that they're using, like. No, we're gonna make it easier just being able to get out there. I don't. I don't like. I don't like that particular way to do it.
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A
Yeah, still is in Ireland, baby. So who they got. What'd you say?
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B
Who they got in Ireland?
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A
Vikings. What are you talking about? The Vikings? We're gonna go ahead and beat them down over there. You know how I go, man. That's just. That's just what we do. Anyway, the Steelers beat writer. They hinted at a renegade surprise in. In Ireland. I don't. I don't know who's in control of this renegade surprise, but don't surprise me again like y' all did against Seattle and play it while Seattle about to kick the ball off so they could be hype as hell. Please.
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B
Our kickoff team. Yes, our kickoff team.
- [28:45]
A
No, no, no, no, no. It was Seattle's kickoff.
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B
No, I'm saying. But we need to play it during our.
- [28:49]
A
They need to play it on a third on defense right before it come up. Or fourth, something like that. You don't want the crowd screaming and hollering when the offense is on the field. You don't want they kickoff team getting hyped while they're about to kick the ball off to us. And they. All they doing is with their hair on fire 100 miles an hour trying to knock somebody's head off.
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B
Yep, yep. You got to know the vibes. You got to know the time to play it.
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A
Please.
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B
During somebody.
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A
Our kickoff, no question.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Hey, let's get over here to your Brown stuff.
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B
Let's go.
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A
Let's go. Dan Campbell, baby. He said the Browns have the best defense they have faced to date. Campbell said the def. That Detroit's offense hasn't faced a defense as good as Cleveland yet. You see what they did to Green Bay. This defense is real. This is probably the best defense we'll we face to date. What do you. What do you think of that statement?
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B
This is what I'm saying. This is a smart coach, Dan Campbell. He knows the Browns are no bulletin board material here. He's trying to rub the ego. You Know what I'm saying? He knows that. Stroking, stroke the ego. Tell me how good I am. Tell me how good I am. So now the Browns defense goes in there trying to chill. No, I love it though. Dan Campbell's a great coach. He's speaking facts. The Browns defense is playing amazing and I want them to continue to play with their head on fire knowing that they're coming in against now Jabril Gibbs and Montgomery, you know what I'm saying, with those two headed monsters that can really tote the ball. So I mean, I respect everything that Dan Campbell's saying. He's speaking facts, but at the same time he's speaking to his team, knowing what they have on that side of the ball, what they have with their running game and what they're trying to bring to the game. So I think it's going to be a big time, a really good game with the Browns defense coming in there with playing at such a high level, everybody making plays in all the different levels, but Dan Campbell is basically speaking like, you know, I know they're good, I know they're good. But talking to his team, he's ready to come out there and like, try to establish their dominance because they're both physical teams. Like, that's the thing. It's going to be line versus line D, line versus D, line D line versus offensive line. Both of them are going to be trying to establish their dominance. So I think it's going to be just a really good game to watch.
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A
Oh, yeah, no question. Like, we do the same thing. You, you go ahead and coach. Coach Car would tell us like, yeah, you never give them bulletin board material. You, you, you be respectful. You stroke that ego. You give them all the, all the comments that, all the compliments that you can. And what we go do is go out here and prepare to try and destroy them. Yeah, he, he, he. He's a, he's a coach that was a player. He knows how it goes, man, for sure. You know what I'm saying?
- [31:51]
B
We're gonna, we're gon, you know what I'm saying, give everybody respect because that's what they deserve. They're an NFL team. They're coming out there putting their boots on. They're gonna do this regardless. If I say anything like, nah, LeBron's like, we gonna come out there and run over them now. I'm giving them some reason to extra fire. No, let me tell them how good they are. Just come in here thinking it's sweet and then we gonna bust your ass. Real quick and then go about our business to the next.
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A
And I think that's what kind of happened with, you know, Green Bay. They went in there thinking, oh, it's Cleveland. And we go, you know, we go in here and do it. That's what. And not thinking they really about to be in for a fight. And they ended up losing the game. Cause they didn't realize how capable the defense was.
- [32:33]
B
Deebo, you remember your man was talking about they was going undefeated before they played the Browns the whole season. They ain't just disrespect us. He went and disrespected the whole league.
- [32:42]
A
Whole league. You gotta fight for your life for the next 14 weeks, brother, because of something you said in week two, you.
- [32:52]
B
Know what I'm saying? And then the first week after you said it, they done smacked up on you.
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A
Wow. A couple more.
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B
Yeah. 12 more of them.
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A
Like, what are you talking about, man? That's just out of control, man.
- [33:06]
B
Gotta watch your mouth sometimes, man.
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A
No question. Speaking of defense, man, Kyle Helmerton defended Baltimore Ravens coordinator or today saying the sky is not falling. They only three games into the season. Hamilton said it's unfair to put all the blame on him when there are 11. When there are 11 guys out there on the field and they're playing their hearts out and he puts us in the right positions, it's just a matter of us doing the right stuff. The Ravens, what do you think he's saying? He's saying what we were saying before.
- [33:43]
B
He's saying what we saying, man. Player. The thing I love about Kyle Hamilton.
- [33:48]
A
Trash.
- [33:51]
B
Like trash. You're playing bad. And the eye in the sky don't lie. Your man is catching the ball. And I think Kyle Hamilton is saying, how you gonna call on the coach when we're getting beat? We're not in the right spot, somebody's running against him. Every. Every play that shows us on the tape, somebody's not in position. So there's nothing that coach could do about that. But other than be on the field. Like, if somebody knocks me out of my gap, what the hell coach going to call that's going to make me better to be in my gap, you know what I'm saying? So I think Kyle is taking the player the responsibility of, like, end of the day, we're out there, we're not communicating. Right. If we were on the right page and if we were looking at the place and everybody was in their position and somehow we were getting beat, then that's a whole different situation.
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A
But right.
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B
If they Put us in a position.
- [34:37]
A
To win in the defense, then, yeah, go ahead, throw that on the coordinator. But you're talking about guys being there, just not making the play, or guys totally blowing an assignment and not being where it's supposed to be. That's like you said, that's, that's the, that's the, that's the 11 guys out there.
- [34:53]
B
That's 11 guys out there.
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A
That has nothing to do. I mean, Baltimore is currently 32nd in total yards, 30th and run defense, 31st in pass defense and 31st in points allowed. Like, they're dead last. Like, I don't, don't know what else you could say. Like, that's. And when you, like I said, when you watch the games, it's not that they're, you know, they're just getting, you know, out of position, they're hitting weaknesses in the defense. It's nothing like that. They're getting beat, pushed around, missing tackles, missing assignments. Like at some point you got to go out there and do your job. Hamilton also added, he said, I feel like sometimes Ravens can be a little spoiled. Just like the amount of success this franchise has had. We lost five games in 2024 and the world is about to. You think Ravens fans are, I guess, spoiled by, by, by, by the success?
- [35:56]
B
I mean, for the last, since sis Lamar Jackson's been there, they've won a lot of games. You know what I'm saying? I mean, going like their playoff success hasn't been great, but we're to the point now when we know the Ravens are going to be good, how far they gonna get in the playoffs? Can they beat the Chiefs? Can they beat the Bills? They've always been in AFC since Lamar Jackson's been there. So I can see them saying getting comfortable, but at the end of the day, the players got to walk into the stadium and win the games. So like if you're not performing to a high level and you're giving up, you have the 31st ranked defense in a lot of categories. That's not on the fans. You know what I'm saying? They have a reason to be like, this is like if you were like 15th or 10th or something like that. And they're like, man, come on man, we remember we were number one, bro. Last. They got calls to pause and be like, you got to make some tackles.
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A
You gotta make spoiled. Nah, nah, listen, man, y' all dead last, if not second to last in every category that you got defensively right now. So it's not about being, being Spoiled. It's about y' all playing like absolute trash. They're, they're, they're, they're upset. Dude. I remember, like you said, I remember when we was in, you know, when I was with the Steelers from 2007, when I started until 2012, we went 115211. That was our defensive ranking, dude, when we were five, we were like, bruh, we are trash. We like, bro, we ass. Like, what are we doing out here, man? And that was, you know, that was a five. It's not a situation like that. And the crazy thing is, like, some of the fans were saying the same thing, but we was a 5 ranked defense. Like that.
- [37:32]
B
Yeah, no, no, that, that. Now that right there is. That right there is when there could be a little. What? What did he say? What was he saying? The fans are a little spoiled.
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A
Spoiled?
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B
Yeah, that's when you're a little spoiled. If you go from 1 1, 2, 5, man, what y' all doing out here? Spoiled. If you go.
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A
We was arguing. You can ask src. We was like, bruh, what's going. Like, we trash. What's going on, bro? Like, and we really thought we was trash. Like, we like, we five, like, we try. Like, what's going on? Like, you know what I'm saying?
- [38:04]
B
Yeah. No, that's a standard, though, that y' all gotta set. That's lit.
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A
Oh, man, no question. That's like, bruh, that success, that, like, just, you know, even when I came in, that was just what it was. Like my OGs, you know, Jason Gill and Joey Porter, like, this is what it is. This is the standard. Like, and they went out there, did it, showed it, worked it from off the field to on the field. And everything that they did was in pursuit of a championship, dude. Like, do you sense that Baltimore's championship window might be starting to close here?
- [38:40]
B
I don't think that it's starting to close. I think that.
- [38:43]
A
Do you think the fans may think it's starting to close then?
- [38:45]
B
I think the fans may start. I think the fans may start. I think the fans are just worried about right now. They still got Lamar. As long as you got Lamar, they got a chance.
- [38:52]
A
But I think that the defense, it ain't happening, dude. They got Lamar and look what's happening.
- [38:57]
B
I mean, they can't.
- [38:58]
A
They can't. They can't get over how bad the defense is.
- [39:01]
B
This the defense, like I said with Kyle Hamilton, I think he. I know he's a baller and I know that they have players the. It's not, it's not the players. The players have to play better. And if they don't start playing better, it's going to continue to show. And I don't think it's nothing that the defensive coordinator can do. So I think that these dudes got to start physically individuals, each one 11 start playing better, looking at the tape, making sure that they make these plays. So I mean, I'm, I'm not going to, I'm not going to root them out, but at the same time, I mean, I'm not. It's not looking good.
- [39:34]
A
Listen, any you gonna root them out, waste the talents of Lamar Jackson, it's not like every year is going to be the same. He's going to start to decline at some point and you need to be able to take advantage of that. You know, you're not going to have those same 53 guys on the roster each year. And when you lose one guy at this position or that position, that a key, you know, role player, that can be the difference between you getting in the playoffs, not getting in the plots, winning the super bowl, not winning the Super Bowl. I think it's a little bit of a window starting to close, especially if they cannot fix that defense because it's almost like it doesn't matter what he does. If they don't score every possession, they're not going to be able to win because the defense is dead last and everything and can't stop nothing.
- [40:32]
B
Like, yeah, no, you're right. If the defense don't, the defense doesn't improve, they're going to. They don't, they don't stand a chance. Thousand percent. I'm saying. Can they. Do you think they can improve is the question. Do you think they will improve is the question.
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A
Do you. That's, that's the, that's the, that's the hard thing, I think. I don't know who they get to play next. I think they need a game that is like one of those easier games, like, yo, we gotta fight a little, but. And then like go out there and have tremendous success. I think it'll give them some confidence. But you're just like, the missing tackles thing is hard. That's something. I mean, I know it's early. I hope they don't fix it at least before they play the Steelers twice. Like, that's it. Like, I tell you what, they play the Chiefs this week, right? I think they played the Chiefs this week and Kansas City. All right, so this is what I'm gonna do or this is what I'M gonna say, dude, there's no way they shouldn't beat Kansas City. But if they lose that, they ain't gonna get it fixed this year. If they win that, they got a possibility of getting it fixed this year. Joe, where you at? Joe, you hitting you. Yo, yo, yo, you hit mute, bro.
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B
Oh, no.
- [42:18]
A
Somebody looking like, what is he? Is he.
- [42:20]
B
My bad, my bad. I said.
- [42:23]
A
I thought you was miming.
- [42:24]
B
No, I was over. I said. I said.
- [42:30]
A
Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. No more mute, no more mute.
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B
I was trying to say. I'm trying to figure out how the game is played out, though. They. You said they played the Chiefs. I heard you clearly, though, Debo. Me and you, we never lost. I want to see how the game plays out. I want to see how, what the defense looks like, what they can do against Patrick Mahomes, if they can create some sacks, if they can get some turnovers, if they can just be in their gaps, if they just don't have people running around like scot free. You know what I'm saying? Like, just play, trying to get on a. Have a good game as a defensive team. No bus, just looking fluid, looking like they're running some stuff. So, I mean, offensive wise, like we said. But that's the thing, too, with the Ravens. Playing against is Patrick Mahomes and it's the Bills for Lamar Jackson. I think during the regular season, it's. He's going to ball out regardless. I think he's. I think he's going to hoop because that's just what he does. I just want to see when the game gets close, is it tight at the end, the fourth quarter, who's going to make those plays, whose defense is going to make those stops? Because I don't think it's going to be a blowout. You know what I'm saying? I think that these two teams, they're really, really capable. Once you get to the fourth, that's what's going to determine what happens in the game.
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A
Hey, I got a question. Yes. Remember a dude named Orlando Brown Jr.
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B
Yes, I do.
- [43:43]
A
Well, he said his welcome to the NFL moment came from you. Let's take a listen, bro.
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C
And I see him dip low and he lit my big ass up.
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A
What was your welcome to the NFL moment?
- [43:53]
C
People never expect to hear this, but I got TJ Watt one on one all game, played my ass off. I was out there snapping. But early in that game, like the first series, pulled around on a tossed cr. And I see Joe Hayden, it's me and Him. I'm just kicking out the corner, and I see him dip low. And he lit my big ass up, man. I was. I was seeing stars tingly on the right side. And it was right in front of Mike Tomlin. I'll never forget, because I'm looking at. I'm pulling. I'm like, man, it's a 5 foot 10 corner.
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A
What the hell? This dude. Yeah, yeah.
- [44:25]
B
And that.
- [44:25]
C
That was like. For me, that was like a wake up call. Like, all right.
- [44:28]
A
Damn.
- [44:28]
B
It's different. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
I don't know if I've been caught slipping like that.
- [44:31]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Debo. You heard it. You heard it. I live. Waste D. Bo. Come on, man.
- [44:44]
A
Oh, hey, got you one, bro. Okay.
- [44:48]
B
I'm trying to tell you, that's the one thing I remember it. I definitely remember that, bro. I lifted his ass up so good right in front of Coach T. Same foot, same shoulder. I need that.
- [44:59]
A
Hey, hey, hey. On the way in, though, what was you thinking?
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B
I'm thinking he thinks I'm slipping. He thinks he's gonna fold me. I got something for his ass. That's what I'm thinking. In front of the bench.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I'm like this. You get same foot, same shoulder, all that.
- [45:22]
A
He was hoping you wasn't gonna come in there with that. He was probably looking to. Go ahead. Swallow you up. Just grab like that. Go ahead and.
- [45:29]
B
Yes.
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A
Cool. Whoa, whoa. Follow you up.
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B
Pause.
- [45:33]
A
Oh, whoa, whoa.
- [45:34]
B
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Pause, pause. Admirable, admirable pause.
- [45:38]
A
No question.
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B
But, Deebo, I'm trying to tell you this. The one thing that you always said that the coach would say this too. Like, everybody got something dirty to their job. Everybody got something dirty. And if you got the. If you the in, man, you got a nub in. And this crack replaced, you gotta replace. If there's a pulling edge, you gotta come set that edge. And I want to. I respect it. I love being the COVID corner. But at the same time, I'm not afraid to come hit. Like, that's what football is. Ever since we was a kid, we trying to bum. Like, I'm trying to. Yeah. Catch somebody slipping or anything like that. So now I'm like, all right, bet these big dudes, whatever, they come around the corner. But it's not. I'm not gonna do it. I don't have to do it every single play. Cause I'm a corner. But when I do have to get my hat dirty, I'm gonna come in this joint and get my hat dirty. And that's why I love people on my team. They respect it. Cause I. Cause I love tackling, you know what I'm saying? I never, never duck contact.
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A
Oh, no question. You gotta come in there. You gotta come in there one of them times at least, early. And you gotta give them what they looking for or what they ain't looking for. They thinking you gonna come in there and do a. Do a shake. You come in there and raise on him. Now, that next one don't come in there like that. He go dive at you.
- [46:48]
B
No, Debo, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want. I want no more parts of Orlando now. He would have came and smacked me, but I had on them for sure.
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A
Oh, man.
- [47:01]
B
I want no parts of Orlando now, brother. No, no, no. I gave him that one early.
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A
The Eagles, man, they going on. They going down to Tampa. Baker Mayfield said traveling early won't help the Eagles with the heat. What's the. What's the. What's the hottest game you ever played, and what's the hottest weather you ever played in?
- [47:18]
B
Man, I could just say the hottest weather I ever played in had to be when I was at the University of Florida during training camps at Florida.
- [47:27]
A
Okay?
- [47:28]
B
Training camps in Florida was the hottest weather I've ever been in in my life. Had to be in the hundreds for show. And you would see. You would just look out, Debo, and you would just see, like, you'll be looking at your homie, but if he was like, 10 yards away from you, it looked like it was. You could see heat waves in between. You know what I'm saying? I was like this. What the is that? You know what I'm saying? And the coach. The coach Mario be like, yeah, that's hell. I'm like, oh, my God. And you'll just be standing there. Sometimes you wouldn't know why you were so exhausted, because you'll just be drenched. Your socks, just mushing everything to your shoes. Yeah, down to your shoe. Just. Your shoes are wet. I'm like this. I didn't do nothing in the water. It's hot out here. And then you got to change your socks because it's like you have literally drenched wet, and. And you just get the exhaustion happens. You could just be standing there and just sweat running down your body. And it's humid, the humidity. It's just that. That heat that when you step outside, it's just sweaty and muggy. So, like, Florida gator can't heat nothing. Like, it and we was on turf.
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A
Oh. Oh. Oh, my. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. That's crazy.
- [48:35]
B
Like, your feet are on fire, too. They're burning at the bottom. Yes.
- [48:38]
A
That's like training the az, dude. Like, literally standing on ice in between reps to cool your cleats off because your. Your feet is burning like. You can't. You can't do it no other way, dude.
- [48:50]
B
It don't happen.
- [48:52]
A
I don't know if. I don't know why you would travel early just for the heat.
- [48:55]
B
Like, that's. You know, they ain't gonna adapt you.
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A
Right, right. What we would do is when, you know, we had a game that was supposed to be, like, warm or something, you just go to the indoor turn, they blast the heat up. You know, you adapt that way. That way you get a whole. You know, you get a whole week of trying. Especially, you know, up north. It's cold. You know, whenever you're going down there, you know, a little in between the seasons. So throw you inside, throw the heat up.
- [49:25]
B
Exactly.
- [49:29]
A
Yeah. Unless they just wanted to go early because you down there in Tampa, you know.
- [49:35]
B
Oh, no, that's the opposite, Debo.
- [49:37]
A
Then I don't know. Hey, coach. Coach might want to go early. You know, everybody ain't playing nothing physically. The main thing.
- [49:45]
B
The main thing. Keep the main thing. The main thing.
- [49:48]
A
Yeah, you keep the main thing. The main thing. But you and I both notice some. Some. Some people don't always keep the main thing. The main thing.
- [49:55]
B
I know. I know. That's why I would have brought them.
- [49:57]
A
Down last minute, last minute. I'm bringing down late as possible. Y' all gonna get a good night's sleep. We go land sleep, then we go pop up and play this game.
- [50:08]
B
Good little food, good little meeting.
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A
I ain't giving you. I ain't giving you no free time, dude.
- [50:13]
B
No bad check.
- [50:17]
A
Yes. Listen, man, I'm gonna tell you. So I went and we go out to California, dude, and we leave early. I'm like, dude, why are we leaving early, dude? Like, we was there for, like, like, two or three days before the game. I'm like, yo, I do not like this at all. Like, and curfew. Like, curfew. You gonna curfew me on a day that you wouldn't even curfew me at the crib. So why you go? It ain't like I'm gonna go nowhere. I just.
- [50:47]
B
Yeah, it's just that you just told.
- [50:49]
A
Me I couldn't even if I wanted to.
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B
It's the principle.
- [50:52]
A
Yeah. Just the principality. I I don't. I don't like that. And when you go Cali the other way, you get time. So you could actually, you know, afford to leave a little later, I would think, you know, But I don't know. But that was the only time. Actually, that's the only time I've ever went early for. For a game.
- [51:22]
B
It was a Cali trip.
- [51:23]
A
Yep. I think that was with Cincinnati. But any other time, we don't go early. We go at the normal time. Make sure you get yourself in bed early. That's it.
- [51:35]
B
I think we did the same. We tried to go. I think we went out there. I think we might have went the day early. But the crazy part, we only went a day early, but we kept the time the same time. Like, we left, like, so we would go to sleep. We were acting like we were still in, like, Pittsburgh while we were in la, like, with the times and with the curfews and with the scare, so nobody would really, like, throw it off. So when you got out there, you kind of tried to go to sleep. Same time, like, it was literally like we were still there playing at a, like, what, four o' clock game? Instead of being one. Something. Something like that. However they did it, but the math mathed up, so we didn't change our time clock in our head at all. It was actually dope.
- [52:18]
A
Yeah, for sure. For sure. So, Shane. Is that Stichen? Matthew. He said Matthew Stafford is probably one of the best to ever do it. Do you think Stafford is a Hall of Famer?
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B
I. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I'm gonna give it to my. To my bulldog. He won us. This is the thing. People always say he got him a Super bowl, too. So for everybody else's stats, but just me as a. Watching him throw the ball, what he did all of those years in Detroit, I'm not gonna knock him for not being able to win playoff games or make them go deep into spots in his career. I don't think that's his fault. I think that he had him and Calvin Johnson, his numbers and the way that he performed and the way he fought through injuries and the way that he basically led Detroit was kind of the only bright spot out there for a long time. I don't think that's his fault. And then for him to be able to go to the Rams in that year, go win a Super bowl, being able to show, like, if I do have a squad with me, if I am surrounded by great players, you know, What I'm saying with defense, offense, coaching staff, I'm not the reason why we weren't successful, you know what I'm saying? I think he was there for a little bit longer in Detroit that I think if he would have went somewhere else, he could have more Super Bowls, maybe not, but it's seen that he did go somewhere, win one. And with his numbers, with the way that I see him just throwing the football with his numbers from the eye test, he looks like just all the different angles, all the different passes he can complete. I'm a fan of his. I played him in college, he played at Georgia, I was at Florida. So I've been watching his career ever since he got drafted. So he's definitely in my eyes, just his consistency, longevity. Great dude, stayed out of trouble, been a consistent leader. You know, if you got Matthew Stafford, he's not going to be in the press, he's not going to do any drama, he's going to bring football, he's going to be a great quarterback. He's not going to do anything to make your franchise, to down your franchise or make them any stain on it. So I respect him. I really, really like Matthew Stafford. I think that he's a Hall of Famer and I don't think he's done yet. I think he's still going to, he's still got a couple more years left and. Yeah, for sure. I definitely think Matthew Stipes hall of Famer.
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A
I don't, I don't know if I'll, I'll say he is or isn't a Hall of Famer. I'm just not 100% on like his total body of work, especially with when he was in Detroit, I think, you know, he had Calvin. That's, you know, that's a big help. But I don't know, it feels like now that if a quarterback goes and wins a Super bowl and has the eye test of numbers, then, you know, it's like he's automatically a Hall of Famer. You know, it's not, you know, yes, you have a, you have a great run here and there, like he did with la. You have quarterbacks that, you know, do the same thing. Have a, you know, have a couple great runs, you know, get a Super bowl and now, you know, it's, you know, it's hall of Fame. I think it has to be like, like more to it. Like, did I fear that player when, you know, was, was I concerned about that, that player? Like when, you know, you play certain quarterbacks, you're like okay, we know that we got to make sure we don't let him beat us. Like we gotta, we gotta play tight. We got, we gotta be, we gotta secure our tackles and then there's some quarterbacks you like, you know what wait for your opportunity. At some point he go hit you in the face with the ball, you know, So I don't know if just, you know, 1, 2, 3, you know, years of a good run, great run, whatever it may be, is hall of Fame. I just feel like, like I'm not saying like this about any particular one person, but I just feel like it's getting, it's getting easier to into the hall of Fame, right? It's really getting, getting a little like watered down, you know, like, like Deion Sanders was saying, like they need to have a different, different room for you know, guys that are those, you know, first ballot type guys or something like that. Because, you know, right now it seems, you know, if you, you know, if, if you're like a head coach and you got a winning record, you gotta, you got a Super bowl. Now you're hall of Fame, you know.
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B
You, so you, I know what you're saying. You want, you're not trying to get, just let everybody go whole. Is this more quarterbacks with a Super Bowl.
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A
My thing is this. Did you change the game? Did they, did they, did they fear you, respect you? Did they have to do everything like it was, it was, it was, it was game plan to stop you or was it a situation where you know what, we need to stop this? Like you go into a game and you're like, you know what? Hey, we're not going to let this running back beat us. We're going to stop the run and they're going to have to use their quarterback and he's going to have to throw them into a win. That's things that we would do especially like under Dick LeBeau. We know that they pass the ball great, whatever it is, okay? We're going to do everything we can to double the stars. You know what I'm talking about? You double this receiver, we're going to take them away and make them have to beat us either running the ball, which they're not going to do, or using a different receiver. So my thing is if they didn't game plan for you like that and now you have the numbers to go with it, you impacted the game, maybe you changed the game, you know what I'm saying? Heinz Ward, they Chinese war changed the game. They made crack back rules because of Heinz Ward. Okay, yeah. Like in a time where they weren't passing like now, like that was a person that they had to game plan for. Hines was gonna do catch that rock and still bust your middle linebacker in the mouth.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like players like that is like, okay, yeah, I can see that right there. The total body of work. But coming in, you know, two, three.
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B
I think the hall of Fame hall of Fame talk is a really good talk about just the how. How we think people should be able to get in. You know what I'm saying? Like, is it on not. Not only a couple of runs like you said, different rooms and not first ballot. Hall of Famers. Those dudes are treated differently. When is he ever going to. Could he ever get into the hall? Fourth battle, fifth battle. You know what I'm saying? There's definite levels to the first ballot.
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A
Hall of Famer look at.
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B
You know what I'm saying?
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A
Terrell on this. If you take Terrell Owens and you take his numbers and you put everything up there and you erase his name first ballot. But because he was Terrell Owens and the reporters and all the other stuff didn't like the dude they got. This is their chance now to oh, I ain't like him. So I'mma get my get back. I'mma hold him out. No, there's no way, like, it's no.
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B
Way he ended up getting in. But that's exactly.
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A
Yes, but that's what I'm saying. The people that are making these judgments, they have their own personal vendettas of their own with different players.
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B
To.
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A
Oh, this is my time to go ahead and assert my dominance. Now I can get. I could get some revenge for whatever it is that it may be. You know, look at a B.
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B
Hey, look, brother, I look at.
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A
AB will not. AB will not. I do not believe AB will get in first battle. I don't believe. I don't situation where if he gets in, she is. If he gets in. Think about this guy's voting for it now. If you cut.
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B
No, that's what he's saying.
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A
His numbers there, there. You take out all the off field.
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B
Yes.
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A
You take the. All the stuff that wasn't actually football out of it. And you just look at his work, his numbers.
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B
Ballot boy.
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A
Yes.
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B
And what are we talking about? Like, Yes, a thousand percent.
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A
Chances are he may not see it until it's way, way past that.
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B
He's. He's not going to see it.
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A
Senior category.
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B
Since they did it to to and he was on the field and they gave him like second or third. Ab. There's. I don't. Ab. Well, like you said, like we both.
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A
Just said, dude, to was way longer than second or third.
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B
No, what was to. What was Tio. When did Tio.
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A
They had him waiting. It had him waiting years, bro. It had to be like 10 years to. What? What?
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B
What?
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A
What? How many times was it that t. What ballot.
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B
Ballot. He got in. Yeah, but you say so. I. I know Tio waited a couple of ballots, but you said he waited.
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A
More than a couple, bro. He literally just got in not even what, five, six years ago.
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B
Right, well, if you got a five. But don't you. You gotta wait. You gotta wait at least five once you get. Once you retire.
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A
No, I'm saying like how many ballots he went through?
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B
Oh, you say he went through five ballots?
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A
He ain't get into the third.
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B
Third. Okay, third. Third ballot.
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A
Yes. He should have been first off rip.
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B
He should have been first off rip. That's what we. We in the same. We in the same. Looking crazy. He made it to the third. Like, and, but dude, Calvin first Calvin first Calvin first Calvin first Calvin eight years. Calvin clean. Calvin clean, right? Clean.
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A
You know what I'm saying? Like, they liked him.
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B
They love that. You're gonna get stuff for that for sure.
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A
Yes.
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B
But I'm saying, so what I mean, I. I just know as a talent, AB's hall of Fame, like crazy hall of fame. Like that room that Dion talking about. Hall of fame, the other room. Hall of fame. But then when you want to say you gonna add in, like, is it a hall of fame? Like the way that he acted, whatever. People gonna put that in. So then I, I'm.
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A
Well, they, they. It ain't people. It's them 40 something people that are voting these.
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B
That's what I'm talking about.
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A
Them people get to go ahead and. And, you know, take their revenge. Like pure numbers. Everybody, Come on, stop it.
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B
Everybody know.
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A
But like, I don't.
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B
That's 1206.
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A
At some point, the guys that's in there, they need to be like, you know what the guys that's in are the guys that's going to vote other guys in. They know ball these. These dudes out here taking revenge.
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B
Yeah. No, no, no. Hall of fame say, hey, I gotta look at the who. Yeah, I'm check. I gotta check the.
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A
I gotta check the voters. Check who the voters are.
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B
We gonna check on the voters. Got to.
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A
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, I just. Yeah, dude, I. I really don't understand it.
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B
God damn.
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A
Anyway, we bought out of time. Look here, man. We want to thank y' all again for joining us on this episode. Debo and Joe, please hit the like and subscribe button and watch Distiller game Sunday at 9:30, and we'll be back here on Monday. Joseph, you have anything to say to the people?
- [64:26]
B
Yes, I do. Make sure you come check in on us Monday live. We will have the report from what happened on the sixth Steelers game. And island what they look like and my good old brownies.
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A
Hey, hey. Go ahead and listen, drink a pint of Guinness and we out. This is an iHeart podcast.