Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Steelers beating the Browns, Ravens dropping to 1-5, Tua postgame

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Steelers Beating the Browns, Ravens Dropping to 1-5, Tua Postgame

Release Date: October 13, 2025
Hosts: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Haden
Podcast: Club Shay Shay (iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers passionate, unfiltered commentary from former NFL stars James Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to a pivotal week of football. The main focus is the Steelers' dominant 23-9 win over the Browns, the continued struggles of the Ravens (now 1-5), and a candid discussion about Tua Tagovailoa’s controversial postgame comments after the Dolphins’ loss. The hosts break down games, share locker room stories, debate leadership and coaching, and don’t shy from calling out teams and players who aren’t performing.

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Steelers Beat the Browns 23-9: Detailed Game Breakdown

Steelers' Perspective

• First Play Impact (03:14):
  Deebo: “First play was like foreshadowing…We ain’t hit that tight end in I don’t know how many games, and we hit him for 36, baby. They ain’t even know what to do.”
• Physical Edge: Harrison jokes about his dog “pissing on anything orange” around the house after a win, setting a lighthearted, rowdy tone for the rivalry (02:15).
• Red Zone Troubles: Despite multiple long drives, the Steelers settled for field goals early:
  • 11-play drive resulting in a field goal (05:39)
  • Additional 10-play drive, again for 3 points (06:23)
• Defensive Dominance:
  “Six sacks. Hey, listen, we played the run better... Zero sacks [allowed], Miles Garrett only had two tackles, no pressures, no hits on the quarterback.” (13:01)
• Spreading the Ball:
  Deebo: “We got the tight ends involved...now you gotta worry about them tight ends. Now you done gave Aaron more targets.” (13:13)
• Quarterback Efficiency:
  “Aaron was greatly effective. You talking 21 of 32, 235, two touchdowns. Here we go, Steelers, here we go.” (14:01)
• Team Cohesion:
  Joe: “It was a team effort... It just looks like the Defense is out there fighting for your life, and if you keep giving somebody love and hooking them up and they ain’t giving you nothing, that’s demoralizing.” (10:46)

Browns Meltdown

• Offensive Failure: Browns scoreless in red zone, unable to finish drives—theme of the season.
• Dylan Gabriel Overworked:
  “Why they have him pass the ball like, like, like 52 times… You go have him come in here and think he go pass on the Pittsburgh Steelers 52 times and you go win that game?” (14:27)
• Dropped Balls & Turnovers:
  “Our defense dropped three, four picks that they had in their hands that they should have came up with.” (14:44)
• Lack of Support for Rookie QB:
  Joe: “I don’t think the Browns are helping him in any way with his progression of becoming a better quarterback right now.” (17:00)
• O-Line & Coaching Criticism:
  “You can’t come in there with a game plan, think you’re going to win with a—[trails off, frustrated].” (16:38)
  • Suggests coaching staff is confused, unprepared, and failing rookie QB.

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Ravens Drop to 1-5: Postgame Analysis

• Strong Start, Steep Decline:
  • Derek Henry effective early (“Derek Henry right, Derek Henry left…”), but Ravens “totally forget” about him after a holding penalty and failed fourth down attempts (19:46–22:23).
  • Ravens offense squanders opportunities, go for it twice on fourth down, come up empty.
• Defensive Improvement—But Not Enough:
  • Joe: “I thought Matthew Stafford was going to pick them apart... Ravens defense...stepped up a little bit versus the Rams.” (20:52)
• Injuries & Struggles Without Lamar Jackson:
  • Hosts note that only one team (2020 Washington) made the playoffs after a 1-5 start in new playoff format (25:41).
  • “If they get mathematically damn near eliminated, then you don’t want to risk Lamar Jackson’s long-term future for him to just come back and for what?” (26:57)
• Bleak Outlook:
  “Over the last, what, three weeks, they’ve been outscored 98 to 33. Like, you can’t win like that.” (25:26)

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Tua Tagovailoa’s Postgame Controversy

The Comments (35:12–36:07)

• Tua calls out Dolphins teammates for being late or missing “players-only” meetings, suggests making them mandatory.

Tua [35:57]:
"So it’s a lot of things of that nature that we got to get cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that."

Hosts’ Reaction

• Lack of Leadership:
  Deebo: "Your job is to score a touchdown every possession...Take accountability. What are you even talking about that for right now?" (37:43–38:54)
• Media Etiquette:
  Joe: “Nobody’s respecting you as a leader for one thing. And now if it’s a players’ only meeting that they’re not attending, it’s because they don’t respect you or they don’t respect whoever’s throwing the meeting.” (38:54)
  • Emphasizes grievances should stay internal.
  • “Now they looking at you like, damn, fed, you a snitch.” (43:16)
• Lack of Team Buy-In:
  “Take them seeds off their chest. Because if that’s the people that’s making these meetings and ain’t nobody showing up, the respect is lost and gone there…destroy the whole team, the head coach and start over.” (40:00)
• Accountability First:
  Deebo: “What you should have been talking about, Tua, was the second play of the game. You threw a pick, you gave them a short field...You lost by two. Take accountability.” (38:03)

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Around the League: Quick Takes

Broncos Dominate Jets 13-11

• Jets’ Offensive Disaster:
  “He had nine completions, and they got nine sacks on that head. That’s the only thing I could say.” (47:46)
• Fields’ Fit Questioned:
  Joe: “It just looks like the simple passes he could not make. You know what I’m saying? So I was looking at it because I’m like, okay, Denver isn’t doing anything… but Justin Fields, you’re not doing anything. Like you’re harming your team.” (48:44)
• Coaching & QB Issues:
  Discussion over whether Fields’ struggles are due to inability to process/execute or offensive coordinator’s first-year struggles.

Chiefs vs. Lions Skirmish

• Branch Punches JuJu Postgame:
  Noted as a bad look—guys have the whole game for physicality, should settle differences on the field, not after (55:26).
  Joe: “Words can be spoke, whatever, whatever. And we go our separate ways. But once you start touching me… all hell break loose.” (56:44) Deebo: “I’m already thinking about money. In today’s era, how dudes post social media this and that...if you really want to do this, you can meet me in the offseason. Do it behind closed doors.” (57:30)

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Locker Room Stories & Leadership Nuggets

• Debo’s Orbital Fracture Story (28:23 - 34:38):
  Entertaining, graphic tale about finishing a game with a facial fracture and storing pieces of his own bone in his refrigerator.

  Deebo [31:43]:
  "When I would go to hit somebody, I would just close my right eye so it'd be one person, and then I'd open it back up."

• On Player-Only Meetings:
  • Mandatory vs. Respect:
    “It’s a respect thing...If Joe in there, I’m in there. You know what I’m saying? If I’m in, like, why the fuck would I be in there?” (45:07)
  • Deebo: “Troy Palomalu never went out, never partied, never did anything but come rookie dinner...because that’s what it is. It’s camaraderie.” (46:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steelers’ Mentality:
  “We the Pittsburgh Steelers… when the orange in the sky… we fly high.” (13:01)
• On Browns’ Offense:
  “It’s a professional football team, but it is the Browns offense…same team who hasn’t scored more than 17 points in the last 11 games straight.” (18:00)
• Tua’s Leadership Questioned:
  "You trying to literally...going to the media about them not coming to your [players only meeting]. That ain’t how you lead." (43:10)
• On Postgame Fights:
  “You got three hours in that game to...really go get your revenge in a good way...But after the game, once it’s all over, it is what it is.” (55:26)
• Lead by Example:
  “If you want to win, put Ewers in.” — reference to potential QB change.

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Episode Structure (Key Timestamps)

• 00:00 - 07:25: Steelers/Browns rivalry, game start, spirited banter
• 07:49 - 14:46: Steelers offense explodes, Browns’ struggles, coaching critique
• 15:09 - 18:36: Wrap-up Steelers/Browns, surging Steelers, league outlook
• 19:25 - 26:15: Ravens-Rams breakdown, running game, missing Lamar Jackson
• 26:15 - 27:54: Ravens’ playoff hopes, risk with injuries
• 28:23 - 34:38: Harrison’s orbital fracture story, NFL toughness
• 35:12 - 41:28: Dolphins loss & Tua’s media misstep, leadership debate
• 41:28 - 46:28: On leadership, culture, player meetings, analogies
• 46:36 - 54:53: Jets-Broncos breakdown, Fields’ woes, O-coordinator debate
• 54:53 - 58:33: Chiefs-Lions postgame brawl, after-the-whistle etiquette

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Final Thoughts

The podcast packs humor, candor, and genuine football IQ. Deebo and Joe break down games not just as former pros, but as lifelong competitors—bluntly calling out poor leadership, strategizing player respect, and dissecting X’s and O’s behind both failure and success. Their locker-room stories and banter add authenticity and entertainment, delivering insight for die-hard fans and casual listeners alike.

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If you missed the episode, this summary captures the core debates, memorable stories, and raw analysis that make Deebo & Joe an unmissable listen for football fans.

Transcript

[A]

This is an Iheart podcast. Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe. Huh? Hayden, make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing, Joe?

[B]

Man, Deebo, I'm doing great, man. You know, every Teddy I knew to look at my phone and expect a call, I was. Look, I. Like I said, Debo, I wanted a good phone call.

[A]

You was ignoring me. You were sending me. You were sending me. You was disrespectful. You were real disrespectful. You were sending me to the. To the. You were sending me to the voicemail and everything else.

[B]

After the first time I got the first point, after the first three tutties, you was calling me. Just trying to just rub it in like I was all, brownie, Brownie, Brownie. I had love for both teams. I got to watch you. I gotta watch you, bro. I gotta watch you.

[A]

You what you gotta watch me for?

[B]

I'm just trying to.

[A]

Joe, I'm just trying to figure out where you at, you know?

[B]

You know, I'm. I am. I. I played for the Steelers, so this is what it. This is what it comes down to. For real, Debo, I understand now as a fan. As a fan watching the games, I understand how the Steelers fans feel, and I understand how the Browns fans feel. And it's a way more chill feeling when you're a Steelers fan. Cause you're expecting, you know what's going to happen. It's real smooth. Browns fans that just. It was bad. It was just bad ball. So we gonna get into it. But it. My, My, my. I just know. Am I still his vibe? I'm all the way. That looked amazing. My Brownsville, they got things to. They. They. There's things to be talked about on that side.

[A]

Okay, so it's things to be talked. So you good over here? And there's things to be talked about over here is what you're saying.

[B]

Okay, so now you listening.

[A]

Okay, so what. What I. What I want to do is go ahead, I guess, you know, and. And get into the game, baby. You know? Of course. The Steelers beat the Browns. What was that? 23 to 9? Yeah. Yes. Yes.

[B]

Brown still can't score over 17.

[A]

Hold up. What. What you doing, boy? This boy. Dude, every time we play the Browns, I gotta remove everything that's orange out of here. This dude pulls down his pants and starts pissing on stuff, man.

[B]

Joe, give me.

[A]

Give me a Minute, bro.

[B]

So much. A dog.

[A]

Oh, my God. Dude. Hey, what you doing?

[B]

I'm on a live podcast.

[A]

Get down before I whip your ass. You done pissed on my shelf, too, boy.

[B]

And Debo's looking at me, and they mad at me about not being. You're gonna talk about ripping me?

[A]

Ain't you the one that' slammed that Browns fan? And I didn't even know you still had a Cincinnati Bengals helmet.

[B]

I'm gonna piss on that next.

[A]

Get your ass out my room. Gone. Gone. Get out of here.

[B]

Debo, get your dog.

[A]

Don't slam my dog. Damn. My bad.

[B]

Well, you gotta get control of your household, my brother. Hold up.

[A]

My bad, Joe. That boy. That boy was up over there pissing on orange and all that.

[B]

See?

[A]

All right, anyway, here, let me. Let me get back to where I was at. Like I said, the Steelers whooped on the Browns 23. 9. And you know what? You know what? You know what happened? The first play was like foreshadowing, you know, I saw. First play, we gone ahead. We ain't hit that tight end and I don't know how many games, and we hit him for 36, baby. We hit him for 36 on the first play. They ain't even know what to do. The boy's seven feet tall. So I don't know how they missed covering him.

[B]

There was a great play, bro. They motioned him inside and he inserted. You know what I'm saying? And then they had a new cornerback that. We got that back there. He had a. He had a long, long day, but I. He made some great plays out there. Long day. Got a little confused in coverage. And your man Washington ran straight down on the seven route, wide open. So they just busted off first, like, miss. Miss coverage. Browns let us supposed to play. Still has made it look easy.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We started out a little bit, so we only. We. We only got three.

[B]

We only got three. Yeah.

[A]

And then we, you know, Cleveland come back and, you know, we think we're off of there on that third down in completion. But they caught. They caught TJ in the neutral zone, so that made it third and five. Gave him an opportunity. I think the next one was a 12 yard completion to continue to drive, you know, but, you know, we've been. But, but. But don't necessarily break. Plus Cleveland, they, you know, they returned to favor with unnecessary roughness. Do want to get tough with Lil Peasy. So that had them stall it out. They had to punt the Rock. And you know who we are, man? We the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know us not. I'm not putting you in here. You understand?

[B]

Y defense is brought the beginning, man. The Browns at the end of the day was Ben. But don't break. Steelers B. But don't break. Defenses did good the first two drives. They made sure they had to punt flags all over the place. Then we had to. We. Yeah, like you said, we had the pun return. The Steelers had a great punt return. Blindside block. They. I think that he did a pretty good block. I don't think Peppers tried to. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I think he tried to side block. He was on his side, dude. And he's turned. I don't.

[B]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. He. He did the way that they teach him, like, you put your back on him, you throw your hands up. So I think that was a bad call. You know, a.

[A]

A rod hit.

[B]

DK met for a couple of plays, but they had to punt. Brown's defense was playing good at the very beginning. At the. At the beginning of the game, too. But you can only do. But so much.

[A]

I mean. I mean, it's okay, Joe, because I'm hearing a lot more frustration than I am happiness because that. That Jalen Brown sack right there on that first down to go ahead, put him behind the chains, have him force him kick that good point. And you know what happened right then the second quarter, we started with 11 play drive, but we ended up settling for a field goal again.

[B]

That's what. That's. You keep saying that I'm like 11 play drive was looking good in the red zone. If you was getting to the. Getting to the red zone, moving the ball, but it was tough to get it in there.

[A]

Hey, the pressure was coming. Hey, third down, right? Immediately the next possession, we get that third down sack. Man, get up out of there.

[B]

What happened?

[A]

We go ahead, drive down the field again, man, it's 10 yards, it's 10 plays, but we end up selling for another field goal.

[B]

That's nine. That's bank. That's bankroll. Bankroll.

[A]

Shout out.

[B]

Bankroll.

[A]

Bankroll.

[B]

Bank was on. Boom. You know, 44, 50, 48. So y' all got in there doing good, but Boswell was able to knock down.

[A]

Good. I'm glad you said y'. All. And then, you know, y'. All.

[B]

You making me feel some type of.

[A]

Way, you know, y' all right before halftime, y'. All. Y' all got. Y' all got lucky. 672 yards. And like you say, our defense. My defense still is defense. Little Ben don't break halftime. Three to nine. Looks like a close game. It really ain't as close as it.

[B]

Is, but I'm gonna tell you this, Debo going into halftime though, don't lie. I'm not gonna lie. The dark Steelers were smacking the browns, coming across the middle like they were some alligator arms that started coming to us.

[A]

Hey, the tight end was one of them after you.

[B]

And he hit my man Joku in his horn heart from. And I didn't know if he was going to get up. Lost his wind and everything. He came back in the game. But then Jerry Judy, some of them, like he was coming across those middle, he was throwing those passes, Dylan. And you see them dudes like looking at the safety instead of looking at the rock a couple of times. So, I mean, I think the still is banging, hitting out there. Was making some of them arms get a little short, getting a little tight. Looking for the Rock.

[A]

Oh, yeah, for sure. But y' all helped us out on that punt when we came back in the second half, dude. And yes, that right there was a huge turning point, buddy. Allowed us to go down there, score that touchdown. Connor Hayward, 12 yard touchdown, brother, brother.

[B]

That right there, Debo was actually beautiful. And that was the part when I was looking at the game. Like, end of the day, defense playing good, both defenses are playing well, you know what I'm saying? Like, Bimba don't break. But that's the point when Aaron Rodgers was scrambling, making plays like, I don't give a damn. I'd rather the ball be in his hands than Dylan Gabriel because it's just like their, their offense is going. He's going to make something happen. He's not going to mess it up, but he's also going to give us a reason to win. Like there's a difference between not messing it up. Zero. You see, right? Dylan Gabriel, zero touchdowns, zero picks. That's not losing, but that's not winning. You know what I'm saying? Like Aaron Rodgers, if the ball's in his hands, you just feel like he's scrambling, directing traffic. Told him like, no, no, no, go back this way. Hayward spinning that joint beautifully. Touchdown. So that, that part right there looked sick. And that's when I was looking at the Steelers like this. You know what, guys? Obviously they have the defense. They have now the, the running back. You got Gainwell, he was toting it and Warren was toting the ball. So he had a run game. He had the receiver, DK Metcalf going crazy big Washington getting him involved. It Just looked like an overall team. It was a team effort even though they didn't make it and they made it to the red zone a lot in the first half. Was able to get field goals, weren't able to score, but just consistency.

[A]

Still like that touchdown, they ended up going down and scoring a field goal. Made it 6 16. But again, you know, we the Pittsburgh Steelers, we ain't gonna, we ain't gonna do nothing halfway. And that, that man, that man.

[B]

DK.

[A]

Metcalf 25 yard touchdown. Hey, you know what's so crazy though is this cigar is called is the brand is my father. And that's what we are for the Browns. And, and, and the actual name of this one is the Judge. And we judged y' all wanting and needing and we whipped that ass. But anyway, let me get back to that good 25 yard DK touchdown that put us up 23 the six man. And again, man, the defense allows a 16, 18 play drive. Two penalties help them, you know, extend the drive on positions, points, third down where we thought we were going to be able to get off the field, but hey man, but don't break 9 to 23. I could take that. No, not really though. They come back out and we do it. Three and out, bruh. Three and out. Yeah.

[B]

This is what I'm trying to say the Browns defense can only do. But so much like we're not saying that the Steelers offense played amazing, did the best, they could have definitely did better. But I mean it's just, it's a flow of a game. You're not going to be able to go blow the Browns defense out. That's a good ass defense out there. And when they keep giving opportunities back to their offensive side of the ball and, and you get nothing, you get Nathaniel. How the hell you going to win like that? So that's why I'm looking at it like it was a team effort where you know, when the Steelers knew if, when they get a stop, it's offense, defense, special teams working together. You get a stop, you putting the ball in Aaron Rodgers hands and you believe he's going to be able to get a touchdown, he's going to be able to get points, he's going to be able to get first downs, move the ball down the field and then end of the day, if you don't bankroll Bob is going to knock down the field goal. So it's team ball and things are just going to be like everybody's working together, all on the brown side. It just looks like the Defense is out there fighting for your life. And if you keep giving somebody love and hooking them up and they ain't giving you nothing, that's demoralizing. You can't score at all, like no touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? So. Oh, yeah, it's just a. It's just a bad feeling. It's a bad feeling. I mean, as a Brown.

[A]

I mean, you had opportunity there. Well, not really, but drop passes.

[B]

Yes, yes, a lot of drop passes.

[A]

And then we had a chance to really just shut it out and. And the field at Acusha helped out the Browns. Man, my dude lose this footing, took Boswell a whole cleat out the ground, man. Ain't no telling what could happen. What's so crazy is that ain't the worst that field's been 2007, dude, that field was so bad, the ball got stuck in it. Straight up a punt, bro. I swear, straight up and up like it was crazy.

[B]

Plug like a golf shot.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. And basically after that, the 9 to 23, we hold strong. It ends there. Game basically over with. But the Pittsburgh still is offense. Yes. Listen, hey, they did a better job of run blocking. They protect the quarterback. Zero sacks. Miles Garrett only had two tackles. No pressures, no hits on the quarterback. Like, what are you talking about? And that is from our tackle that has been having a down season. Reason he has gave up the most sacks out of any tackle in the league. But he didn't get none to your guy. You know why? Because we fly high when the orange in the sky. You understand? We gotta. We got a hundred yards combined rushing. I'm gonna take it. It ain't from one person, but I'm gonna take it. And then you know what we did? We got the tight ends involved. Washington was three for 62. He actually had five targets. Okay, Smith was three for 18. Con a touchdown for 12. Flyer move had one for 11. Washington was the second leading receiver on the team. That's why he was wide open. They like, yo, he coming out the block. Nah, he ain't just coming out the block. We go show you that he can do more than what y' all think he can do. And now you gotta worry about them tight ends. Now you done gave Aaron more targets. Aaron was greatly effective. You talking 21 or 32, 35, two touchdowns. Here we go, Steelers, here we go. Hey, and that defense now, six sacks. Hey, listen, we played the run better. I know they only rushed 17 times, but we played it better. We ain't get why in the World is what I'm trying to figure out is why they have him pass the ball like, like, like 52 times why they had that boy pass. But you think a rookie go coming. I understand he got a lot of games under his belt and all that other stuff. It's a different thing. You know what I'm saying? When you get to league, you go have him come in here and think he go pass on the Pittsburgh Steelers 52 times and you go win that game. Not to mention that our defense dropped three, four picks that they had in their hands that they should have came up with.

[B]

You took the words out of my. You took the word out of my mouth with that one.

[A]

But hey, all in all, we, the Pittsburgh Steelers is getting ever better every week. And that's all we need to do is keep inclining so that when we get to that point when it's elimination time, we shooting off like a rocket.

[B]

No, that is correct, Debo. The Steelers good. Aaron Rodgers look better. Everything you said is correct. Getting the tight ends involved, even if they run for 100 yards, it doesn't matter. It's just giving the ball up, making sure you keep that thing going. No matter if you're giving it to Jalen or Gainwell, just making sure you got a run game that's effective and just keep, keep handing the ball off. So they got to make sure that they watch for that. So I'm. I'm not mad at the Steelers at all. They did. They did great. And it's looking like they're doing better and better, like I said, too. How you think Dylan Gabriel, do you expect him to come into the. You haven't won in 22 times there and throw the ball 52 times and win. That's not gonna work. And then we dropped, like you said, too. Zero touchdowns, zero picks, but it hit about three Steelers upside the head. My man Junior Joey Porter Jr. Had one. Smooth. We had one. The. The defensive end, my man, 51. He had one. It's just a lot of that could have easily been picked. We're not. Judkins ran the ball 12 times for 36 yards. Like, we gotta get. Get him more opportunities. There's no way that he's going to walk into that game and be able to go against the Steelers. And especially when behind the sticks, when we're letting them dudes blitz, knowing the lines looking crazy, knowing our tackles are having a tough time blocking Swat blocking Highsmith blocking Cam blocking any of them dudes. You know what I'm saying? So that was not the. It was. It was a coaching error. You can't come in there with a game plan, think you're going to win with a.

[A]

Well, why are you surprised that it's a coaching era?

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

Coach didn't even know who the hell his backup was.

[B]

Coach Debo. Debo. I'm not surprised. I'm just stating what's happening.

[A]

I understand what you're saying. I'm puffing on a cigar that ain't even lit. But that's how good I feel, Joe. That's how good I feel. I can feel what it feel like if. Because I just feel so good today.

[B]

I got two. So now when we put on my Steelers hat, that was. That's the ball that we looking for. Like Jaylen Ramsey out there making sacks. Everybody communicate that drill looks kept him out of the end zone. Obviously it wasn't maybe too hard because the Browns offense wasn't really too effective. Dylan Gabriel did do a pretty good job, but he could have thrown three picks. Some of his passes were still errant. And I think he's going to be. He's not a bad. He's going to be solid. He's going to be good. I don't think the Browns are helping him in any way with his progression of becoming a better quarterback right now. And that's not to say I want. If they put Shadow in only two.

[A]

Games, three games, whatever it is.

[B]

No, no, for sure, for sure. But I'm saying 52 times versus Steelers and in the first joint in London, like handing the ball, that was a better process than this. If they would have came in giving the ball off the jug, he would have had at least 20 carries. Then that's like, okay, bet you're not trying to set my man back, but you made him throw 52 times, get sacked six times. He got hit upside the head 17 times. Like, that's not.

[A]

So what it came down to, man, is this. Our defense played better than your defense because we played against the Browns offense, which is. I mean, it's a professional football team, but it is the Browns offense. It's the same team who hasn't scored more than 17 points in the last 11 games straight. So, I mean, it's too. It's to be expected and I don't see why they would have been able to score 17 points on us. You know, that's just. It's just a hard nature of Browns playing the Steelers.

[B]

I mean, Debo, I mean, look, I can't. I'm not. I'm not here to argue with you. I'm not here today. I'm not here to argue. I'm not here to argue. I'm here to state how I feel about the Brown situation, and then I'm here to say how I feel about the Steelers. Steelers are looking good, and I would know why. You. You expect for the Browns to play the Steelers hard because that's a division game, and every time they come over there, anything can happen. But once the game gets to going and people get to making the plays and you see what's going on in the football field, I was not expecting for the Steelers to get that game away. They just look like they were getting, warming up, getting their will right, and then next thing you know, a rod started doing a rod stuff, and that's just not what we have on the off inside the ball for the Browns. So, yep, Steelers are leading the division, and it don't look like it's going to be changing anytime soon.

[A]

No question. Speaking of the division, the Ravens got popped, too. But I will say this, watching the game, brother, looking at it going back and forth in between, I'm looking the first possession, dude, and Baltimore comes out there and I'm like, oh, they getting back to Baltimore football?

[B]

Oh, sure.

[A]

Derek Henry right, Derek Henry left. Derek Henry right, Derek Henry left. Derek Henry right, Derek Henry left. They get a holding penalty. That stalls them out. They end up settling for three. Okay, okay. It's looking all right. It's looking all right. LA comes out, they move it a little, but they missed the field goal, right?

[B]

Cool.

[A]

I'm like, all right. The Ravens getting the ball back. You know, I don't want them to be too sorry, you know, because we still gotta at least have a little competition, something good for the fans to see. Don't nobody want to go to the games. 21 Nothing before the first quarter over with, and the Ravens come out there and your boy Rush throws an interception. And it kind of felt like after that, LA was like, yo, y' all ain't gonna one up us on this. Go ahead, get the sack. Fumble. Baltimore, recover the ball. Give it back to him. Hey, hey. And they went.

[B]

The Raiders defense definitely played better.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they played better.

[B]

They played better. They played better. I thought Matthew Stafford was going to pick them apart, but like you said, when they had that strip sack, when they were trying to get down there to school, I'm like, okay, look, better, better Ravens defense. So I had to make sure we give them a little bit of love because they've been looking the worst in the entire league by far. But they stepped up a little bit versus the Rams.

[A]

Yeah, they end up going for it though, that next possession. I believe it was fourth. Fourth. And I want to say it might have been one given. No. Yeah, they went for it on fourth down and they didn't make it. But I think at that point in time it might have gave him a shorter field. They ended up tying it up three, three. And the Ravens get the ball back and they just totally forget about Derek Henry. I don't, I don't know what happened at the date. They just forgot about what they did, the first couple possessions and, and how it helped them out. And immediately the Rams helped them out too. They just went on here, did a quick three and out. So Ravens get the Rock back. They like, oh, yeah, I done forgot we got Derek Henry. So they go ahead, start handing that man to rock again. But Again, dude, on 4th and 1, they get zero points at the one yard line. Yes.

[B]

This is when they did. They did. They did the push push on the third down and then your man Derrick Henry tried to run it on the fourth down and lost the yard, dude.

[A]

Wow. So that right there could have got you. You know, that's three points if you went on here and went for it. Because Immediately beginning of third quarter, the Rams drive on down there. Nine plays, 76 yards. Get the tutty. Also they got help because Puka ended up getting hurt. Like. Yeah, yeah, they didn't, they didn't have to deal with him nothing that whole game. And then, dude, your boy Rush, you come out, fumble the ball, give it right back to the rams on the 21 and they score another tutty. I guess they got tired to set him down, buddy. That was, that was all I guess they could take.

[B]

Yeah, no, for sure they ain't do too much, man on the offensive side.

[A]

And.

[B]

But like you said, I'm blaming that when you know, you don't have Lamar Jackson keep handing the ball off to Derrick Henry until. Just keep giving them, just keep giving it to him. He was eating like, you gotta show me something different.

[A]

For sure. If they don't it. You ain't gotta really show them nothing different. I think, I think they ended up getting a new offense coordinator this year. So the guy that was there. Yeah. Last year did what he was doing. I think he. The newer guy, the new guy there finally was like, yo, we. I guess we gotta, we gotta run about Rock if we're gonna have a chance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, even then it was still 17 you know, 17, three. They had a. They had an opportunity. I think it was a fourth down they went for, ended up getting sacked. And, you know, from there, Ravens started driving the ball. I believe they turned over on downs and, you know, it ain't no more than just under four minutes left. You know, it's basically over with after that. But the big thing for the Ravens is, I think for the offense. That first possession they started getting back to Baltimore football, you know, running, running Derrick Henry, you know, the way he should. Using Derrick Henry, the way he should be, you know, the way he should be running or used, I should say.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then, you know, the, the defense, they played better, but you need. Need a little bit more in situational things, I guess, to get. Get done with you, what you're trying to accomplish. I don't think they took. Took as much planning as they needed to to try and try and try and finish it out. But. And they also, they hurt too. I can give them that. But they were still playing bad before he got hurt.

[B]

No, for sure, for sure. If your offense isn't doing too well, brother, if your office ain't doing good, your defense ain't doing good. I mean, it's. It's not, it's not a good. It's not a good winning recipe to win games. And your defense is playing really, really bad. You lose your best off. Lamar Jackson right now, they just trying to stay afloat and.

[A]

Right. They're hoping to get him back after Dubai. So, I mean, that's the only, that's the only chance they got. When you look at it, you know, over the last, what, three weeks, they've been outscored 98 to 33. Like, you can't, you can't win like that.

[B]

No, Debo, you can't.

[A]

It's not. What is they, one in five? It's only been one team since the, since, you know, they started the new format of 14 playoff teams that made the playoffs. That was one of five and that was Washington in 2020. They started one in five and made the playoffs.

[B]

Raiders ain't making the playoffs, you know. No, sir. And it's not. And like, like you said, the defense, they. Hopefully they start getting some players back. Lamar Jackson has to come back then. Lamar Jackson, the offense was. They weren't like blowing people out when he was there, and the defense was. Wasn't playing good. So hopefully if the defense could start playing better and he comes back with.

[A]

A flow, how much better you want the defense to play, though? They already number one Joe defense for the Ravens. Oh, I'm tripping. I'm thinking, I'm thinking of Baltimore. Sorry. I mean, I'm thinking of Cleveland. Sorry.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm talking about the Ravens. Yeah, okay. Yeah, they, they, they're like the opposite. They're probably 30.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they're last 31 or 32.

[B]

They gotta do they, they, they can, they have a way to get a hold. They gotta, they have a lot of room of improvement. If they can get better and start tightening it up like they did in this game and Lamar comes back and performs at a high level. They have to win out though. Like there's not. When he gets back, they're one in five. Is that they have to go basically down there undefeated because.

[A]

Do you think he still comes back if the hamstring is a little iffy?

[B]

Oh, I think if they keep losing and they lose another, they keep, if it's he, his hamstring, you. It needs to be healed 100 anyway, you know what I'm saying? And if that takes another two weeks, another three weeks and then they're one in eight, then I mean, what kind of, what, what is the point? You know what I'm saying? You kind of want him to get back and if they get mathematically damn near eliminated, then you don't want to risk Lamar Jackson's long term future for him to just come back and for what?

[A]

Yeah, I'm, I'm with you there. Like you don't want to have him come back. You are dead last right now and have him going there on, you know, 80 hamstring and he go to hit another gear and forbid, you know, God forbid, he tear the thing off the bone or something like that's, that's, you know, that's something that's gonna lead into the next year.

[B]

The part is not Russia. Don't rush. Let him get all the rest. Let him recover that thing. 100 for show.

[A]

Yeah. If they don't, if they don't let him do that, it's gonna, it's not going to be, I don't think it'll be pretty because he, he, he's too, he's too elusive, powerful. He's gonna, he's not going to think about it. He's going to go to dig to take off to get past somebody and, you know that's going to be it. You can't go out there and play it, you know, 80% the way he, you know, the way he plays the game. Yep.

[B]

He got to be full tilt, no question.

[A]

So during the coach pregame warmup, this was crazy. The cornerback war, he collided with the tight end ogletree and suffered a concussion. This boy went into pre gang concussion protocol out for the actual game. And then Anthony Richardson, he fractured his orbital bone with.

[B]

With them bands.

[A]

Band dude, like, like, how do you do that, brother?

[B]

You debo.

[A]

You.

[B]

You know how tight them bands are. He probably was doing like a little mean hamstring swing up thing. And it's about. It slipped off his foot.

[A]

He didn't play it out. He didn't play. I don't play. He couldn't play.

[B]

No, he couldn't.

[A]

Listen, I got a story for you, though. I did that same thing, bruh. I blew my orbital in in Houston and my helmet came and shot down into my eye. And at the time, bro, I ain't lying. God. So I'm like, you know how you blink your eyes to try and get, you know, trying to get them back straight? So I'm sitting there in my eye. What I didn't know at the time is I blew my audible. So my eye was no longer sitting on that potato chip bone. Yeah, it dropped down. So as I'm looking at the stadium at Houston, I'm seeing four decks. I'm seeing, you know how they got the scoreboard across the middle? I'm seeing two of those and then two of those up there. But if I close my right eye, they came to one. So I'm like, they like, you. You gotta. I'm like, I ain't got no concussion, dude. I'm like, I'm just seeing like two of everything, dude. Like, I'm like, I'm seeing two of everything. What you mean? I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm seeing two of everything. Like, if I close this eye, I could do it. So I go back in, they take me into the. They take me into the locker room and hear the crowd. Something's happening, whatever. And by that time, it done got to where it's not separated like this. Yeah, they're close like this. And I'm like, all right, I'm going back out. So I go back out and I'm on the side and I asked my boys, I'm like, yo, you all good? You all need me to come? I'm like, if you all need me, I could come back, bro. I'll come back. And he's like, man, hey, we. We gonna be all right, bro. Like, like. I'm like, I can come back if you need me.

[B]

Like, what was your eye what was it looking like? Debo, would you. Would you look?

[A]

No, it just. It don't even look like nothing, bro.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

It don't even look like nothing because it's. It's inside your eye. So they actually go in your eye to do the surgery. Into your eye socket, rather to do the surgery. So I'm like, yo, I could come back if y' all need me to, but if y' all go be all right. I ain't gonna come back. Like, help go, well, we ain't gonna be all right. I'm like, all right, then I'm coming back. So what I did is I finished that game with a. With a fractured orbital. So when I would go to hit somebody, I would just close my right eye so it'd be one person, and then I'd open it, open it back up.

[B]

So that's crazy.

[A]

So I finished that game. I ended up getting surgery later, early that next week. And that's when I started wearing the dark. Dark visor because I got a scratch on my. On my retina or something, and it was giving me light sensitivity. So I started wearing. Wearing the dark visor. But, dude, I finished that game, and I ended up missing, I believe, the next two weeks after I. I got it. I got it done, but I played a whole. I actually got the bone, bro. I have the bone. The little potato chip bone. I got it upstairs in my refrigerator. I make them. I tell them, listen, anything you take out of me, I'm gonna need to take with me because I gotta put that back, dude. I got pieces of bone from, like, my back. When they did my micro dissect me the second time, I had two of them in nine days.

[B]

TiVo. You're wild.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, bro.

[B]

Got bones in the refrigerator, bro.

[A]

Listen, it. It's going. It. I was born with it. It's going back with me, no question.

[B]

Is your eye good now, though? Or you.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it's good now. It's good now, baby. That was in 2000. That was in 2009. That was like two games. Eleven or something like that. It was 2011. That was, like, two games.

[B]

But that's what I'm saying. So how you gonna put that one back in a.

[A]

Here, this. I'm just gonna put it in my casket. Oh, that's it. Okay. So here. Hey, here's. Here's the crazy thing. So this is. This goes out crazy. So when I first started coming back. So they keep you in the hospital for a day and they got to seal your eyes Shut. So they come in the next day, they cut the scissor to cut this, the two sutures, that's. That seals your eye and you're able to open it, right the first. Oh, man. It had to be like two months, maybe a little more. When I would blow my nose, air would come out my eye.

[B]

Ah, Debo.

[A]

Swear, bro.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Swear. See, bro, it was crazy.

[B]

Yeah, man, that's crazy.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

I'm queasy. I'm sliding with anything like that. I'm like, my man Debo.

[A]

I.

[B]

You talking about blowing your nose. You got air coming out of here. That's crazy.

[A]

I don't know if it's normal or not, but. Hey, Anthony, if that happens, it's normal. It happened to me. So just letting you know, the first few months you get back, you go to blow your nose. I blow my nose real hard, though. Like, I don't do the quiet.

[B]

Yeah, no, you gotta get. You got.

[A]

You gotta.

[B]

You gotta get it out.

[A]

I gotta get that up out of there. So. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, bro, it would. It would. It would blow. It would blow air out my eye. And you know how, like, in the morning, you wake up, you got some sleep in your eye and you gotta blow your nose? I would blow my nose, dude, and it would. It would blow sleep, too.

[B]

Debo, that's crazy. Let go, bruh.

[A]

Bruh. That's a square.

[B]

I'm glad. You good now?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It took like two weeks for you to. It took the surgery.

[A]

It took two weeks before I was back.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They wouldn't let me. I guess it was something about force of something, and they didn't. They didn't want. I was trying to go back. I was trying to go back that week. I'm like, yo, it's fixed. I can see now. Everything's in one. They're like, no, you gotta let it heal for a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You wildy, bro.

[A]

Yeah, man. So the Chargers beat the Dolphins, and your boy Tua, he. He had a little something to say after the game. Yeah, man, just. This was his response, man. Let's show it. I think it starts with the leadership in helping articulate that for the guys. And then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this. Are we getting that? Are we not getting that we have guys showing up to player only meetings late?

[B]

Guys not showing up to player only meeting. Like, there's a lot that goes into that.

[A]

Do we have to make this mandatory?

[B]

Do we not have to make this mandatory.

[A]

So. So it. It's. It's a lot of. It's a lot of things of. Of that nature that we got to get cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that.

[B]

To be clear, you're saying some players.

[A]

Were late or missed. Late, yeah. Hey, man, look here. Hey. He shouldn't even be answering any questions about that. But other than it just being about the game. I understand he might be a little upset because the defense couldn't hold him for 46 seconds to make sure they didn't get a field goal. I can see that. I can understand that. But your job, if we want to go into it technically, like, all the way through, is to score a touchdown every possession, just as when I was with the Steelers, my first, you know, my first stint of starting. Dude, our job is to stop them on every job. If we go out there as a defense and we do our job 100% and we never let them score, then we could point a finger. If you don't go out there and do your job 100%, you can't point no fingers. Mad about some other stuff. You, as an office, to do your job 100%, you got to go out there and score every play. I know it's unrealistic, but stops any and everyone from pointing fingers. That's why we, as a defense, was like, yo, we was number five. We're like, yo, we're trash. We're horrible right now because if they don't score, we can't lose. And on top of that, we can actually help us win because we can get turnovers and score touchdowns.

[B]

We can actually score.

[A]

What you should have been talking about, Tua, was the second play of the game. You threw a pick, you gave them a short field. They scored a field goal on that. And then you come in the next possession and you go three and out. And then the defense goes and gets you the football.

[B]

Short field.

[A]

You score seven the first possession of the third quarter, you throw another pick again, another short field. Another short field, and they score a touchdown. You're responsible for 10 points. You lost by two. Take accountability. What are you even talking about that for right now? And to be honest, we knew this was over with week one. Y' all having a players only meeting. The head coach needs to be gone, because now the head coach should have been going in, but now you're telling me that the players in the locker room don't even have a player they respect enough to even go to. What y' all Decided to do as a player, destroy the whole team, the head coach and start over.

[B]

What are you, Debo Deebo? I think you making perfect sense. I say this for one thing, like we said, Tua, you have to be performing at such a high. You're the quarterback of the team. You come out there and throw three fucking picks and you're talking about people not coming to a players only meeting. Nobody's respecting you as a leader for one thing. You coming out there and it's a players only meeting. This is getting out to the media because of you. You're making things about people not coming to a players only meeting. And now if it's a players only meeting that they're not attending, it's because they don't respect you or they don't respect who's ever throwing a meeting. These dudes are grown ass men. If you didn't get this meeting time that we needed to do while we're in this facility from fucking 8 to 4, I'm out of here. Because all this you talking about is not.

[A]

Here's the crazy thing, he said it was online.

[B]

He's one.

[A]

They ain't even doing this.

[B]

They not even zooming to your.

[A]

Hey, it's over with whoever the owner. Who's the owner of the Miami Dolphins? Listen, get rid of your, your head coach. I don't even know what he be talking about half the time when he having an interview. I don't know what he doing. That boy on uppers and downers, I don't know what's going on. They the team, the players that's supposed to be your captains, they don't even respect them. Take them seeds off their chest. Because if that's the people that making these meetings and ain't nobody showing up, the respect is lost and gone there. Like you gotta start all the way over, man.

[B]

Yeah, I mean for Tua to be calling people out like that, it's kind of crazy because obviously you're letting the media, they don't need to be knowing about these people not showing up to your plans or any meetings. You need to be go talking to these dudes directly and getting respect from a man that's on your team not showing up to your meeting. You think telling the media that he's not showing up to your meeting is going to make him want to come? Or like you trying to embarrass somebody from your team? Like, no, these dudes are invested. No, you grown ass man. It's another man you talking about having a prayer.

[A]

So now what's happening now? What's happening? Hey, who ain't go to the meeting?

[B]

Who, who ain't go to the meeting?

[A]

Did you go to the meeting? Now the reporters acting. Did you go to the meeting? Did you go to the meeting? Did you go to the meeting, bro?

[B]

Players only meetings is the first thing. And then people not showing up to your. Players only meeting.

[A]

Players only meeting. You just lost one and a half engines, okay? You're going down. You only got two, and you lost half of the one you had. You're going down. I, I, they ain't showing up, man. You lost both engines and one of the wings just fell off that son. Bitch.

[B]

It's over with. It's over with. And then, like you said, too, I love make that coach. He was my quarterback. He was the wide receiver coach for the Browns when I was there, probably.

[A]

Was he like that when you was there?

[B]

Was, yeah, yeah. Just, just, just at just like that. The same exact. He's hasn't changed one bit. And that's not in the bad way. He's a smart mind, but leader of, Leader of other men. You know what I'm saying? Asking them a question. He give you something that you like this. Okay, that makes sense. Like, he's a little, you know, just flowy like you said. You say, you say, you say.

[A]

Yeah, dude, I could have did better than that. And I'm horrible at public speaking. Like, I'm trash.

[B]

No, no, no. For sure. I don't even.

[A]

So yeah.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

You ain't said nothing. All you said was, yeah, so he said, you know, we are. And yeah, and you know, he understands.

[B]

You said a whole lot of nothing.

[A]

When I fired you. Fire, you know.

[B]

Fired, man.

[A]

What's going on over there, man?

[B]

Yeah, they got to do better, man. That's. It's not looking good.

[A]

You can't you listen, man. Yeah, and like you said, you're, you're putting it out there now, and you're putting it out there to hope, to shame the dudes into coming. Like, that's even worse. That's how much they don't respect you.

[B]

You trying to literally. I said, you going to the media about them not coming to your right.

[A]

That ain't how you lead.

[B]

Now they looking at you like, damn, fed you a snitch whole time.

[A]

They kind of already knew you was the police. Now they for sure. Oh, no, that ain't for sure. He the feds, bro.

[B]

You the feds.

[A]

You go do 80, 85 of your time for sure.

[B]

What did you see? Look dad said something about. You see dad's tweeted about it.

[A]

What'd he say?

[B]

They say, I want to know what part of this is going to take accountability for two or through three picks today, Tua is the third in the NFL with the most interceptions thrown by a quarterback. If you haven't said this privately first, then in the media, I don't respect it. And since we are on the topic of respect, I guarantee a lot of the players don't respect Tua. Tua points the finger and literally has four pointing back at him. And if you want to win, put ewers in.

[A]

Who is Ewers?

[B]

Man, it must be the backup quarterback.

[A]

That's crazy. I ain't even heard of. And he wouldn't. He. He ready. He ready to put in. But that's. That's exactly what we were saying though. I mean that ain't. That ain't. That ain't no news flash.

[B]

No, that's. It is what it is. Like we saying the same thing, bro. We've been in locker rooms before. We know when people are in their thing. And like at the end of the day, there was player only meetings that we did once a week for the steelers. Like the DBs would do everybody. All the DBs in there and we would host it ourselves and we have food, you know what I'm saying? Like somebody had to get food from a good ass spot and we were watching.

[A]

But you're not, you're not having a meeting to try and figure out why the hell is going. You're having a extra meeting to plan and get ready for the opponent that you're playing against to go over that extra stuff to eat and you know, and hang out together to build that.

[B]

But, but what I'm. But what I'm saying is do at the same time with that though, Debo, at the end of the day, people don't got to go to those. You know what I'm saying? Like that is extra. That is after. But there's a respect that when I came there, that was there. It's mandatory. Like it's not, but it's mandatory because whatever else you going to do, like we going to come, we gonna have this meeting, all the boys gonna link up and we look forward to it because I bet like I'm with my boys, but at the end of the day, like don't have to be that way. But knowing like people respect their leadership. Dudes, everybody understands. Like if Joe, if Joe in there, I'm in there. You know what I'M saying if I'm in, like, why the fuck would I be in there? You know what I'm saying? So it's like a. It's a unspoken because you could tell the dudes of respect to people, if you say something, then they're going to just come because you're not just saying stuff out your ass something you not want to even. It's just. Because it is what it is.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

We just going to come. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I don't know. We got to make it mandatory or what?

[B]

What. What? That's. That's just like. I'm not making a man. But we. If we say it's like, they. It's a respect thing. If things. You. You just not talking all the time. So when you. Somebody were to say something, then that means he. Okay.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

He means he's just speaking. Talking all the time.

[A]

Troy Palomalu never went out, never partied, never did anything but come rookie dinner. Troy is going out. Why? Because that's what it is. It's camaraderie. It's an event that happens every year. Not like he drank or anything, but he was there.

[B]

He was there. He was there. Volumes, bro. Volumes. For sure.

[A]

Yes. You ain't. You ain't. Yeah, but mandatory on some stop. Stop playing, man. Listen, Denver went on ahead and beat the jets. It was 13 to 11. But, like, it really wasn't like that close. It was close, but it wasn't that close. Dude, Denver's defense, they just dominated these boys, man. They didn't allow these boys run the ball. They ain't allowing to pass the ball. They shut down everything, man. Running back only. No, he had 22 carries, bro, and only 59 yards. Like Fields, this boy sacked nine times. You know, what happened was he said, listen, for every completion I get, I'm gonna let y' all get a sack. So he had nine completions, and they got nine sacks on that head. That. That. That's the only. That's the only thing I could say. I don't know, man. I'm just telling you. That's the only reason. That's the only way I could see that, you know, it was. You know, that's how they. They mended it out. They. They only converted, I think, what, two, maybe third downs. Two. That was it. A total of 82 yards period, dude. How are you negative 10 passing yards, bro? Huh?

[B]

It that, bro?

[A]

They was. They was. They was. They was hitting. There was. Dude, they was hitting Justin Fields, dude. So much, though. Not. I Ain't even talking about the, you know, just the sacks. They hit him 15 times too. Like I. What in the world is popping over there?

[B]

This was what I'm. I Woke up at 9.

[A]

Like the Denver's offense, really, they ain't do nothing, bro. All they had to do was sit out there, man, and just don't turn the ball over and that's it, brother.

[B]

What I'm trying to say is I watched that game from beginning to end. Cause it was the London game. It was 9:30 in the morning and I was geeked. I'm like, okay, bet we got good football. I'm gonna watch this entire game and see what's going on with the Jets. Because Aaron Glenn was my DB coach.

[A]

I love.

[B]

I like Aaron Glenn a whole lot. Great coach.

[A]

Okay, so you about to say something because you said you like him a whole lot. That's preface him with negative. You about to come with, go ahead.

[B]

No, it was the worst offensive display I've ever seen. Like, their defense was playing amazing. Turning the ball over, putting them in great field position. Punt returns, putting them in great field position. My man Fields only had like, he has short fields the whole first half to just try to get something going. They couldn't move the ball at all. Negative 10 passing yards. The running game, it looked like, it almost looked like they weren't trying. And his Justin Fields, simple speed outs, like routes on air. When your receiver, Gary was running the speed out and he's throwing it in the dirt behind him, making him fall back. It just looks like the simple passes he could not make. You know what I'm saying? So I was looking at it because I'm like, okay, Denver isn't doing anything. Also like Bo Nicks, love him to death. But their defense was playing great. They made them punt the ball eight times. He had eight points. So like they kept giving him opportunities. Turnovers on short fields, great punt returns. And it's like Justin Fields, you're not doing anything. Like you're harming your team. Somebody just throw the ball up, get him.

[A]

I mean, he can do better. He. He could definitely do better. But also you got to realize, I believe the offensive coordinator, I think this is his first time being an offensive coordinator. So maybe he's not able to fit his offense or play call to what it is that the strength of Justin is also.

[B]

Justin been in a lot of teams though, bro.

[A]

And the one thing that I didn't like when we picked Justin up, I'm like, we picked him up. Okay, cool. You ain't really have to do nothing to get him or give up anything to get him. Yeah, but the thing that caused me to have to worry was when he was saying about his offensive coordinator in Chicago, he was like, it was along the lines that they got me thinking too much. They just need to let me go out there and play. And that to me, said, I can't understand this game. I can't learn it, I can't read it, I can't get the ball where it needs to go in time. That's what it said to me. So that's him not being able to perform the level he needs to and understand the game that he needs to understand. So I'm seeing it at a 50 on him, maybe 60 on him. And the coordinator is not giving plays in designing things that's going to be beneficial for his talents.

[B]

I think Justin Fields talents are very. I think Justin Field's talents are his athleticism and his mobility. But being able to. If you can't read defenses fast and you think that, like, sometimes offenses. I'm not trying to say, but if you say, like, he's giving you too much some. That. That's. That's what quarterbacks do. Quarterbacks have to know what everybody's doing and what the defenses are doing in the checks. And it's a lot of information.

[A]

You got to know the line, where the line going. You may have to call.

[B]

That's why that's the hardest position in the league by far. Because just the amount of information that you have to process and in a fast level. So when dudes are moving, trying to, like, bluff you and you don't know what the coverage is, and then they start, they can trick you, that means that you're not that good of a quarterback, you know what I'm saying? Because you have to be able to execute and be able to get things on the fly and be able to know what everybody's doing, putting your whole offense in the position. You know what I'm saying? So if you're like, oh, no, it's too much for me to. I'm sorry, that's not. My bad. You're a professional quarterback. These dudes are making $60 million a year so they can process information, so they can do these things and be able to get all these other guys in the right spots. So I understand completely. But when I'm looking at it, I'm like, yo, if you don't know how to read the defense and then like throwing bad passes for quick outs that are like, rouse on air. I'm sorry, we need to find another guy. Like, a lot of the stuff, like, it could be offensive coordinator too, but some of the stuff, just looking at him like, boy, you're not helping. You're hurting the squad.

[A]

Oh, no question, dude. And then you got, you know, you got Garrett Wilson. He had an exchange with Aaron Glenn going into halftime. Like, what do you think he said?

[B]

Look, because you saw, like, they just. They didn't even look like they were trying to get a field goal. They were down at the 50 yard line with 30 seconds left and they just let the clock run out. Like, they didn't even try to get another 10 yards run up, spike it, get a field goal. He's like, oh, no. Like Aaron. Like, they didn't even believe. They thought, oh, no, he might throw a pick, he might take a sack. Something bad is going to happen. Let's just get in the halftime instead of, let's go get. Let's go get some points on the board. Let's try to get some momentum going in the halftime. You go into halftime looking like this, oh, let's just not this up. And Garrett Wilson is standing there like, throw me the ball. Like, I'm trying to get us activated. Let's get. Let's get going. And he's walking off and sees that the coaches aren't going to call a play. I'm pissed. I'm like, what are we really doing? Are we not trying to score? Are we not trying to win?

[A]

I do that. You showing me that you happy with the pro, with the process, with the progress that you have right now at this point in the game.

[B]

That's what it's.

[A]

And they may have been too scared to actually go because when you're getting pressure like that sacked left and right, you know, you only one play away from that sack. Fumble to the house.

[B]

Yeah, but he came on. It's coming off of a completion, A rare completion. He had one. So everybody's running up to the top.

[A]

He only had nine of them, baby bro.

[B]

He only had nine. They coming off a rare completion. Everybody looking, 30 seconds countdown. And then he's. They just looking at each other like, like, okay, let's just wait for this thing. Let's just go in here.

[A]

Slow down, slow down.

[B]

You think two in a row. I'm the down now.

[A]

And then they still only lost by two points. Dude, like that tell you how much of nothing Denver's offense was doing?

[B]

Dude, I'm putting it to Denver's office. Wasn't doing nothing. But Damn it. The defense of the jets was balling. They were creating turnovers and like getting off the field on third downs. They was doing they part. So like, that's why I look at the offense. Like you can't. You had 30. It was like 33 yards in the first half and 30, 40 something in the second half. I'm looking, I'm like, yo, that's crazy. Like all. All over the whole whole game. That's. That's crazy. That's bad.

[A]

So the Chiefs beat the Lions 30 to 17. But that, that wasn't. That wasn't the big to go to. It was after the game when Branch refused to shake Mahomes hand and then went up to juju and basically shoved him, punched him in his face, in his helmet. And then the brawl started. Dan Campbell, he did not like it. He called out his player. And you know, what is, what is your. What is your take on this? You about players, you know, doing extracurriculars after the game?

[B]

Man, I'm not about it at all. I'm not here for it. You got three hours in that game to literally, in between them whistles, do what you gotta do. It's a physical, brutal sport where you can really go get your revenge in a good way and not like trying to hurt nobody. But yeah, you can get physical. You can come and smack somebody, bomb. Yeah. And like you can really get your get back in between the whistles in the football game. So I'm thinking after the game, once it's all over, it is what it is. It's a competitive. Juices get up, people get feeling some type of ways. But at the end of the day, we're all in the NFL. We're all trying to provide for our families, do the right thing and just hopefully nobody. You know, I'm trying to go at it to like injure anybody. So my whole thing is emotions get high. But once the game is over, the game is over. I'm trying to get back to the crib, back to the family and get out of there, but I just don't understand how. I mean, you could walk up on you. I saw it like no handshake and then just pop my man. That's right. That's not okay. You know what I'm saying? It was he. Loki had his hand.

[A]

Yeah, that, that You. You can't do that. You can't do that. It's not. It's not really anything, is it anything that somebody can say to you that would cause you to do that?

[B]

Honestly, bro, unless Nobody. If you don't put your hands on me, then it is what it is, you know what I'm saying? Like I always like words that you can talk, people getting emotions but like once you get physical, once you put your hands on me, then that's a whole game, you know what I'm saying? So like people altercations, people talk, whatever. But after the game I'm out of there. Like you can be grown enough to be mature enough to walk away. There's not too many things that nobody could say to me to have me up, up in a roar like that. But I feel like once you touch me, then it's then, then it's then this, then it's all hell break loose. It doesn't matter. Like you did that now you overstepped for sure. Words can be spoke, whatever, whatever. And we go our separate ways. It is what it is. But once you start putting your hands on, once you start touching me, keep your hands to yourself. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that's, that's, that's how I feel about that.

[A]

Yeah. It really ain't nothing you can say to me that's gonna go cause me to, to do that because I'm already thinking about money. And in today's air how dudes post social media this and that. If you really want to do this and we got a problem, you want to, you can meet me, we can meet in the office.

[B]

We can meet.

[A]

It's not probably training in the same state. Like if it's really that, that real, we can meet in the off season. This ain't no. And you could do it behind closed doors.

[B]

You know how that is. If dudes really want smoke, you know how to find each other. It's very easy. It could do it quietly. Yeah. Matter of fact, you could have walked up to him. Hey Juju, you know what I'm saying? You're going to have to see about me, whatever, whatever. And they can literally link. And if you really wanted to do it, but that is just like motion pop off, you know, it's about to be a whole shebang. Money's going to get fined. Everybody's going to be talking about this instead of what really happened in the game. You know what I'm saying? So, yep, if you really wanted it, then we could make it happen. But like I just don't feel that's just like that. Come on, man. You know, and I'm not, not, not knocking the Branch character or anything, but that's just not a good look, just walked up to my man Bomb and it is what it is.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Good Lord. We almost listen tonight. Oh, Chicago and at Washington. Okay. That's tonight's game. All right. We want to thank y' all for joining us. Time went fast that time, man. We want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Man, hit the like and subscrib subscribe button. We will be back here on Tuesday. Joe stuff, huh? Hayden, what you got to say?

[B]

We will be here on Tuesday to talk about the Bears game. See what they talking about. Bears versus Washington commanders. It's actually up the street. I'm thinking I might go up there and see what JD Talking about.

[A]

Go ahead, let you know, jump in there and you know what? And we out. This is an I Heart podcast.