Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Steelers BIG LOSS to Bills, Shedeur vs. 49ers, Broncos survive Commanders

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe: REACTION to Steelers BIG LOSS to Bills, Shedeur vs. 49ers, Broncos Survive Commanders

Date: December 1, 2025
Host: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden
Podcast: Club Shay Shay (iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)

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Episode Overview

In this candid and passionate episode, NFL veterans James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden break down the Pittsburgh Steelers' crushing loss to the Buffalo Bills, analyze coaching and schematic issues plaguing the franchise, and react to key storylines from around the league — including Shedeur Sanders' performance against the 49ers and the Denver Broncos’ dramatic OT win over the Commanders. The discussion weaves sharp on-field analysis with raw locker room perspective, offering Steelers fans a voice that mirrors their frustration while spotlighting football culture and competitive mindset.

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Steelers vs. Bills: Gut-Wrenching Breakdown

Opening Insights and Defensive Struggles

• [01:37–09:13]
  • Deebo and Joe recount attending the game together, calling it fun in spirit but disappointing in result.
  • The Bills, missing two starting tackles, “tipped their hand” toward the run game, but Pittsburgh remained in nickel packages, putting pressure on DBs to stop the run.
  • Deebo:

    "We come out in nickel first play. Cooks goes 19 yards. Why? We got a crack replace. They're going to make our corners tackle them one-on-one." [02:30]

  • Joe laments missed tackles and questionable personnel use:

    "Why are we in that defense?...That right there, that's not a—need another backer." [06:19]

  • Praise for individual efforts (like the Echoes interception) is muted by repeated communication and schematic errors.

Offensive Shortcomings

• [09:43–13:05]
  • Steelers offense can't capitalize on stops. Missed throws, three-and-outs, lack of execution on key downs.
  • Joe on missed deep shot:

    "He had him beat for sure by a good two steps...you gotta hit one." [07:26]

  • Deebo:

    "We can't afford to miss stuff like that...Defense comes out after they force a three and out. That's, you know, that's..." [07:34]

Halftime and Second-Half Implosion

• [13:10–17:30]
  • Bills’ defensive TD (strip-sack) flips momentum instantly ("sacked into the depths of hell" – Deebo [13:10]).
  • Schematic woes persist, notably with Pittsburgh’s nickel defense getting gashed by the run:

    "Bro, we done gave up 125 yards rushing at halftime." [12:53]
    "Dude, they ran the same play, like, 20 times, brother." [12:14]

  • Bills chew clock and grind out a 26-7 win.
  • Joe:

    "We got big issues." [17:30]

Coaching and Scheme: Tough, Personal Critique

• [17:31–29:40]
  • Deebo delivers a scathing assessment of the coaching staff, laying blame on schematic deficiencies and lack of player development.
  • Quotes:

    "I have never been a person that thought Coach Tomlin was a great coach. I thought he was a good coach." [17:57] "A great coach gets you to play beyond your potential...Keith Butler was my linebacker coach, and he got me to play beyond my potential. He was a great coach. Dick LeBeau was a great defensive coordinator." [19:15] "Right now, the only history we’re making is being the worst Pittsburgh Steelers team statistically almost in the history of the organization." [24:01]

  • Joe echoes the confusion:

    "If your corner coach, your...everybody has to be speaking the same language...that's not going to work because...People aren't moving fast." [28:31]

  • Discussion gets emotional about losing Renegade moment and fans booing:

    "That was one of the saddest times I for sure have ever been in that stadium when they got the booing Renegade." [29:40]

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Around the League

Shedeur Sanders vs. 49ers – Young QB’s Growth

• [31:26–37:06]

  • Joe:

    "I think he did still good...He didn’t play great...but he’s making steps." [31:30]

    • Praises Shedeur’s poise but wants to see faster decision-making and better pocket presence.
  • Deebo:

    "That comes with time..." [32:10]

• On the sideline spat between Jerry Jeudy and Shedeur:

  • Joe:

    "It just kind of rubs me the wrong way a little bit...You had Dylan throwing you the ball in the dirt for...and you didn’t [show] the same energy." [34:16]

  • Both defend Shedeur’s media answer deflecting blame from coaches:

    • "That was the most perfect response to the question..." [37:06]

Locker Room/Coaching Culture — Recurring Theme

• [38:07–41:19]
  • Discussion of coach-player communication, consistent systems, and how bad coaching manifests in player confusion and on-field hesitation.
  • Joe:

    "Everybody has to be teaching the same thing...if your defensive line coach has to be A...no matter who tells you it, period." [41:03]

  • Deebo:

    "It's confusion...telling you where there’s confusion, there’s just disruption." [41:08] "What are we doing here?...What color is that? Black or white? Ah, it's gray." [41:25]

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NFL Culture: Trash Talk & the Fine Line

Wildest Trash Talk Stories

• [41:37–48:01]
  • Joe and Deebo trade stories of the worst trash talk and what’s out-of-bounds — most notably, family and kids.
    • Joe:

      "Everything is mostly go except for, like, kids and family...When you start talking about family, personal things like family and my kids...it’s off limits." [42:31]

    • Deebo:

      "If you had talked about my kids...I promise you, I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna still on you soon as the game over..." [43:09]

  • Fun anecdotes about notorious trash talkers like Michael Crabtree.

The Punter Threat

• [46:44–52:08]
  • They riff on the absurdity of a Jaguars punter allegedly threatening to "kill" an opponent.
    • Joe:

      "He gonna get cracked back though. I'm gonna hit him like Sean Taylor did." [47:01]

    • Deebo:

      "The fact that you threatened to kill me as a punter..." [48:07]

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Broncos vs. Commanders: Overtime Drama

• [52:11–56:32]
  • Nick Bonito blocks Commanders’ 2-point conversion in overtime to secure a wild Broncos win (27-26).
  • Deebo and Joe laugh over overtime ties and debate best (and worst) ways to end a game:

    "We've been here too damn long. I've been sweating. I've been fighting for my life...and you're gonna tell me up. Even. Even." [53:43]

  • On the Broncos’ Super Bowl hopes:
    • Joe:

      "Nope. I ain't got nothing." [55:06]

    • Deebo:

      "You gotta have something on offense or your defense has to be just outlandishly, like, great. And it ain't that on either side." [55:34]

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Play or Fade: Monday Night Picks

• [56:38–58:43]
  • Deebo's Monday Night Football lineup: Drake Maye, Stefon Diggs, Henderson (more); Jackson Dart (garbage time production).
  • Joe decides to play with the picks after Deebo’s trash time explanation.

    "We need every one of them yards. So I'ma go ahead and play with my dog." [58:35]

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Fan Questions & Closing Rants

Steelers’ Coaching & Future

• [59:11–71:25]
  • Superchats fuel further, sometimes heated, discussion on Steelers' current situation, Mike Tomlin, and the death of hope for this proud franchise.
    • Deebo:

      "Right now, what we are getting here from Mike right now is not conducive to what the Pittsburgh Steelers are used to...this is not what the fans want." [60:11] "What do the fans have to look forward to on a Sunday now?...Now you go there and you get let down and you get beat down even more and you got nothing to go back with but more of nothing." [62:11]

    • Joe:

      "Stillers, not having hope is not good." [62:00]

  • Discussion about locker room accountability, film study attendance, “OGs” influencing younger players, and the importance of hands-on coaching from people who played in the league.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Scheme Deficiency:

  "It's 100% schematically deficient, bro. And it's players in positions that cannot execute the role of that position." — Deebo [17:57]

• On Coach Tomlin & Hope:

  "My hope is gone." — Deebo [62:06]

• On Steeler Fan Experience:

  "You get to go out there...and let your frustrations out because you feel as if when you're watching your defense out there and they're punishing people, that's you punishing people because you done put in all this work...and now you go there and you get let down and you get beat down even more and you got nothing to go back with but more of nothing." — Deebo [62:11]

• On Coaching Consistency:

  "Everybody has to be teaching the same thing...If your defensive line coach has to be A...no matter who tells you it, period, A is A." — Joe [41:03]

• On Trash Talk Limits:

  "Everything is mostly go except for, like, kids and family." — Joe [42:31]
  "I'm gonna find out I'mma still on you...I'm gonna try and knock all your fronts out." — Deebo [43:09]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:37 — Show proper starts, recapping game night vibes
• 02:18 — Initial defensive breakdown & critique of nickel personnel
• 05:13 — Missed offensive opportunities
• 09:43 — Second quarter defense/offense exchange
• 13:10 — Momentum shift: Sack-fumble TD, turning point
• 17:31 — Deebo’s emotionally raw critique of coaching and scheme
• 29:40 — Renegade boo-ed; emblematic of fan frustration
• 31:26 — Shedeur Sanders game assessment
• 34:16 — Jeudy vs. Shedeur sideline dustup
• 41:37–48:01 — NFL trash talk: personal lines, stories
• 52:11–56:32 — Broncos OT win, tie game debate
• 56:38 — Play or Fade segment: MNF picks
• 59:11–63:02 — Fan questions, on Tomlin, hope, Stiller pride
• 66:04–70:35 — Coaches, OGs, player prep, & teaching with nuance

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Tone & Takeaways

The tone is frank, sometimes raw, with Deebo and Joe blending locker-room banter, Xs-and-Os breakdown, and genuine emotional investment in the Steelers. The hosts spare no feelings when criticizing the coaching staff, lamenting the erosion of Steeler identity, and voicing the pain of a proud, legacy fanbase. Their insights pull no punches, but also circle back to a core football love and respect for player/coach relationships done right.

Summary in a sentence:
A must-listen for Steeler fans and football diehards craving honest locker-room talk, this episode delivers hard-hitting, unfiltered takes on the state of the team, leadership woes, and what real winning culture looks like.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

Welcome to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Deebo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, I'm doing good, Deebo. I'm not gonna lie to you, my good brother. I am a little tired. Cause I was at the game with you yesterday.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

And I had that 6:15 flight this morning to get back to my crib so we could be set up and you know what I'm saying, do the show the way we do it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No question.

[Joe Hayden]

But it was amazing. I had so much fun watching the game with you, my brother.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, it was a good time. I ain't gonna lie. I mean, the outcome.

[Joe Hayden]

Outcome wasn't good. Kicking it with the camaraderie was good.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Let's go ahead, get to. Let's go ahead and get to the game.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's get to it, Deebo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

First things first, though, I want to say the Bills set out day two starting tackles. So what does that tell you, Joe, huh? That tells you that they go run the ball. It's quick passing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And what do we do to open up the game? We come out and nickel first play. Cooks goes 19 yards. Why? We got a crack replace. They're going to make Our corners tackle them one on one. Yeah, Lupiz gotta come up on that one. Yep. I think they tried to do it again the next play. This time he broke up on it and he made the tackle.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, that's cool. We get to. I think it was second down after that, and we got the regular defense in there, so we got three big bodies in there. Yep. Able to stop them. I think they only got like a two yard gain. And then third down, we allow Cooks to get. What was it, 13? Yep. Okay. First down is a run of one, and they end up getting a false start, which put them behind the chains. I think it was like second and 14. They did a little swing pass. And third down, I think it was echoes. You know, he. He knocked the ball down. Yep. They end up, you know, they end up going and having to punt the ball. And they didn't, you know, we didn't stop them. They stopped themselves. You was. You seem to be like, oh, it's been. But don't break. And I'm like, no, bro, I'm tired of bending.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I feel you. I feel you. Which wasn't that on the first drive when we got the pick.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, dude, I think that was the play where he just jumped in the air and knocked it down.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I got my. I got my. A little. My bad. My bad.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But no, you're right. That was. That was it. Because he actually made the interception.

[Joe Hayden]

He made the pitch. That was a good zone. He fell into it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, yes. Because the receiver stopped running on that one. If he had kept running, he would have went on ahead and he would have just. Worst case, it might have been a, you know, a breakup or whatever. So we end up getting the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

He did a good job on that. Echoes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, no question.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? We like to say when you don't do it, we gonna let you know. But when you do do what you're supposed to do.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

That's how you look at that zone. That's how you look at it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He actually caught it. He stopped it from hitting the ground and all that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So that's good. I think DK got out there. The first one we hit him on a short one. He went for eight.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I believe Warren ended up picking up the first down. I believe it was. Was it the next play or two.

[Joe Hayden]

Plays later, he went second. He second down, he got like, right to the line. And then they ran it again.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay. And then we had like a two yard loss on the next play, 81 ain't touching nobody, bro. Yeah, like. Yeah. Second, it was a screen and third down. It was a nice throw. He just. He just couldn't make it.

[Joe Hayden]

He couldn't. Yeah, that was good defense to Davius. White was all in his face. And that's. But that's the other thing too. I love Austin, but, like, is he your number two? If that's going to be our number two? That's not. That's not to make it. You got to make that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You got to make it.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm looking at T. Higgins. T. Higgins going to make that. He going. He going right over top of his head like a usual catch.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta make that. Wind up hunting the ball buffalo. Get back out there. I think it was cooks for eight, then cooks for five, and then Davis got him some. Yes. And then we get to the first down and Davis got him 15.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

95 gets cut off. Dude, like the next play, he.

[Joe Hayden]

He.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He like got tossed up out of there almost.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's the one he was in.

[James Deebo Harrison]

94 got blocked by the tight end, bro. He got almost double. Double reached to what a tight end block team. And of course the DBs, they didn't. Didn't come down the field. Like when you playing in that nickel. Like, your DBs have to come field, dude. They got to be ready.

[Joe Hayden]

You got like. Like Mike Hilton. You got to be ready to shoot. You got to be ready for that tackle because especially if it's a run heavy team, you better be ready to re.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Why are we in that defense?

[Joe Hayden]

I. I know, I know. I feel. Because that right there, that's not a. We need that. Need to be another backer or like you said, big Lyman in the gym.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. And then the next play, you see they go to run to Cam. Cam actually hits, separates, holds his gap. Can't make it there. Herbert comes through, he makes the play. That's how it's supposed fill out. Okay. The next play, they end up getting a false start again with system.

[Joe Hayden]

The change by helping us out.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We need helping us out. I believe another screen, third and long. We got some pressure to him and I believe it was fourth down. They tried to get us to jump whatever they couldn't, and they punt the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, good.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We get out there. Yeah, it was.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, at the debo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

At the beginning of the game.

[Joe Hayden]

At the beginning of the game, we got stops. You know what I'm saying? We. It was stopped. We stopped.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Good defense.

[Joe Hayden]

Good defense is not the word to say stopping Them is the word to.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Say Steelers get out there. We go three and out. We just missed. I think Wilson on that third.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a bad ball. I mean, he's. He's one and he. He had him beat, you know what I'm saying? He had him beat for sure by a good two steps.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

How to hit that? That's. That's three.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And I mean, you know, you can't. You can't hit them all. I understand, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to hit one.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We can't afford to. Right? We can't afford to miss stuff like that.

[Joe Hayden]

We a hit none. You know what I'm saying?

[James Deebo Harrison]

But the defense comes out after they force a three and out. That's. You know, that's.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, they do.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Steelers get back out there. I think we got like a 12 yard run on second down. And then we get stopped again. We punt the ball back to him. Yep. Second down, Cooks. He goes for, like, 13. Cook go for 13. Yep. And then Allen scrambled up out of that for six on the first down. I believe the next two plays, they were able to pick up the first down. Running the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And then Herbie, hey, he comes through and makes a play. We recover it, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Deebo, that's. That's just still, like you said, not good. But they're not scoring any points. They're not getting on the board at all. So we could be mad at, like, the crack replaces. You know what I'm saying? People need to. Dudes are still getting tossed out the way. That's not. Not happening, but zero, you know what I'm saying? We still get a. Okay.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

Back to the O.

[James Deebo Harrison]

First Clay. First play, we hit DK14. That's great. We get the second down. We get a short pass to Gainwell. He takes it 17.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's great. I think we first and goal at, like, the eight. We end up picking up, like, seven.

[Joe Hayden]

The little screen to Warren.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

And then third down, we score is 7 nothing. I'm feeling good. I ain't gonna lie, bro. Just.

[Joe Hayden]

We in the sweet turn. I ain't gonna lie.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We turn. I was turned. I ain't gonna lie. Okay. We get back out there, the defense get back out there, and we're in nickel again. 14 yards on the first down. Like, dude, you. Why are we nickel? I don't understand. You got these DBs thinking that they go come down here and fill this thing. Like, the reason why.

[Joe Hayden]

The reason this is why, though. The reason why we're in nickel is because it's the. They have three receivers in the game.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I understand that. They also don't have the starting tackles. You saw what they were going to do.

[Joe Hayden]

I. I feel you. I'm saying. I'm just saying why they would do it. But then when the game's going on and you're understanding they're not throwing it to these dudes. We only need to have two corners in. You know what I'm saying? Swap it. Because they're crack replacing. They're making him. They're making a corner.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Is not used to getting down there, having to react to that now. He's already. He's already worried about his coverage anyway. He's trying to make sure that it is what it is. And by the time he does that. Already up on you a little late.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he. Up on you for sure. For sure. I'm. I'm with you A thousand.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Second down, Allen shook a. A sack. I don't know how he scrambled for four. And then they run, you know, for the first down. I think the next. He runs for the first down. The next play, an actual run. Like we get to. I believe it was like third and eight. They do a quick pass that picks up nine.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the one. Two to the straight to the flat. That's like a cover 2. I'm looking at my man Pete. You gotta. You got. You can't let. If you're the flat defender, you can never get out widened by anybody. Nobody can outwit you. You gotta be the widest person out there. So I see he was trying to look at the tight ends running up the field for like a 7 ro. You got to be able to do both of those, but you got to start backing up and widening so you can be coming down to that play. You know what I'm saying?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

It's just. Yeah, that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, it's automatic. Like, that's just what it is, dude. First down, they get a seven yard run because 78 is playing peekaboo with the running back. You can't do that. Stay in your gap and stay. Anytime you switch back and forth, a running back like Cook is going to make you wrong. And that's what he did. Y. He made him wrong because you.

[Joe Hayden]

Both of those holes aren't yours. You take and then your linebacker go get the other one.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Second down, Allen shake another sack and scrambles and then he converts the first down after that, we lose queen on that play. And what I tell you, Joe, I said it's about to get ugly.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he did.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I said it's about to get ugly. Next play, 4 yards. Was it by. By Cooks? It was cool. Forced the DB to tackle. He did what he was supposed to do. But you're forcing a DB to do something that's out of the realm of his play, of his position. Down in and down out.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. They're making him turn. The Bills are making him into a linebacker.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's what they're making him into, a linebacker.

[Joe Hayden]

The Bills just. With that running game. If they keep.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes. Dude, they ran the same play, like, 20 times, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm trying to say. They kept running that cracker place inside. Duplex inserting.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They did the same thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Cause that was the. He went in. Joey. He's not. He's lined up, like, head up to his tight end. You need to get on that outside shoulder, because as soon as he starts cracking down, if you don't get off of his tush and run down there and come right out and close the space, you got cooked. With all that grass, you're in a disadvantage, my brother. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta widen out and get down there and get ready for it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And like you said one time, he might try and shake you. The other time, he gonna drop his helmet.

[Joe Hayden]

He gonna drop it on you for sure.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We're able to hold them because they end up getting a false start.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you. They're helping. They were helping us.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They gotta. You know, they got. They gotta kick the field goal. It's halftime. It's three to seven. But, bro, we done gave up 125 yards rushing at halftime. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

It was the same play after the half.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Rogers gets sacked into the depths of hell. Knock, like, knocks the fumble recovery for a touchdown. We're down 7 to 10.

[Joe Hayden]

This happened so fast, Deebo. I didn't know what was going on. It just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Bro, I just. I just hollered, bro. I'm just. I'm no. Like, I was in a horror movie, bro. You did. I was like, no. I'm like, holler that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, okay.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We get out. We get back out there. I think it was like, second eleven. They. Your boy Mason throw the ball into the ground. We end up getting a first down because we, like, conduct for 50.

[Joe Hayden]

They was looking out for us sometimes in this game.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, the Bills, no problems.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And then second down, Mason throws the ball to Buffalo like he was actually trying to miss the receiver and put it over him so he could tiptoe on the sideline and catch it.

[Joe Hayden]

Bro, it was three people over there, brother. It was three people over there. Three of the Bills players over there and one Mount Washington. And we overthrew him.

[James Deebo Harrison]

How tall is he? Like six, 100.

[Joe Hayden]

He's at least he, bro. He gotta be six' eight. He gotta be six' eight. 311.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Nah. Buffalo. Get out there. I think it was second down. The tight end is sitting there so open, he just lays down on the ground and catches the ball on his butt.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Again, first down. Wearing nickel again. Here go Cooks for six.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Second down, still nickel.

[Joe Hayden]

Same play.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Same play, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

30 for 31 to the 7. Same play.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We get them to 4th and 1. They scored a touchdown. Yep. They missed the. They missed the extra point. 16, seven. We come out there and go three and out. Bills get back out there, bro. First down, seven. Allen connects on the next one for 10. Second and nine. Allen scrambles for 11. Dude, this is the first time I've ever seen Jalen. Jalen Ramsey's like, body language. Just like, not disappointed, disgusted at what he's looking at. Like, like what's going on. Like, then it's a 13 yard run, and 50 is supposed to be this run stopper. Yeah, like Davis, he can't stop the run. If they don't run it straight at him, it don't look like he can move. And again, Jalen is like, what the freak is going on, bro? It's another 10. And on second down, when I see him make that tackle for that five yard, he just looks at the sideline, bro, and it's like, he like, what or what are you even doing, bro? Yeah, they end up converting on a fourth and two. And then I think it was second down. They get a short pass to Cooks and he takes it. What? 16. Third and goal. Allen runs it in for the touchdown. 20.

[Joe Hayden]

He deboed his way in there, bruh.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes. Like they helped.

[Joe Hayden]

Do I sound funny?

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, bro. It's 20. It's. It's 23 to 7. Now we get back out there and I'm just hoping something happens. First snap.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't make it up, Debo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You can't. We're able to move the ball a little bit because they're playing prevent defense. And then when we get down there inside the 20, they say, okay, we go start playing real defense. And we get stopped. On fourth down, it's Turner over on downs. Buffalo comes out there, bro. And then goes 14 plays, 72 yards. They burn off nine minutes of clock and kick a field goal. It's 26 to 7. The game is over, bruh. We got issues, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

We got big issues.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You go ahead. The Steelers have issues that I feel we are unable to fix with this current coaching staff, period. The defense gave up last night, and I personally feel like they didn't give up because that's who they are.

[Joe Hayden]

But.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They just feel like they cannot win with this defense because it is 100% schematically deficient, bro. And it's players in positions that cannot execute the role of that position. And as much as I hate to say this, I have never been a person that thought Coach Tomlin was a great coach. I thought he was a good coach. And I'll be honest, part of that is because when I was slated to be the starter, when Joey left, he drafted one and two outside linebackers, and I was actually behind one of them for a minute, okay? But right now, we have coaches on this staff, and that's it. And when I say coaches, I'm saying this as a coach is someone that tells you what to do, and it doesn't matter if what they're telling you to do is right or wrong. That's what a coach does. And we have coaches, okay? A good coach gets you to play to your potential. And right now, the players we have on that team. I have seen play. I know they can do it. I have seen them do it, and they're not playing up to their potential. And a great coach. A great coach. A great coach gets you to play beyond your potential. My potential for me as an undrafted free agent was a special teams player for life. But Keith Butler was my linebacker coach, and he got me to play beyond my potential. He was a great coach. Dick LeBeau was a great defensive coordinator. He got our defensive players to play beyond their potential, and right now, we can't even play to it. So you tell me where there's a good coach on this staff, because right now, I don't see anybody playing to their potential. Mike Tomlin is in control of hiring coaches, okay? And he may not be the one coaching the position, but he is in position to hire the coaches to get the potential out of our players. And right now, he has not put coaches in the position that can get the potential out of what it is that we have. Because I know what T.J. watt can do. I know what Cam Hayward can do. I've seen what Alex Highsmith can do, brother. I've seen Jalen Ramsey, Patrick McQueen. I can go on and on, but I'm not seeing it. Why?

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[James Deebo Harrison]

And I go back to this 2013. I went to Cincinnati Bruh, okay. And I played in a 43 defense. That defense did not fit me for my potential of what I was capable of. And because I was not a player that fit that scheme, okay, that didn't work for me, right? And right now we have a lot of players that are not fit for the scheme that we run. The interior defensive linemen have to hold up to the run because we're supposed to be a 3, 4 defense, bruh, which means the linebackers are there to make the plays, but they can't make the plays if the D line is in their lap half the time. Okay? Something has to be done, bro. And I know the Steelers historically don't move on from coaches, but I think it's time that history be made. Because right now the only history we're making is being the worst Pittsburgh Steelers team statistically, almost in the history of the organization. And when I think about this, bruh, and you go back and you look at the chief, Art Rooney Sr. Where he took this franchise from in two, and then Dan Rooney continued the legacy. And to see it where it is now is incomprehensible, bro. The legacy of the 1970s Steel Curtain defenses to the Blitzburg defense of the 2000 2010. And to see what it looks like now is unbelievable. Are we going to be the Dallas Cowboys where every year the fans talking about we them boys and we go win the Super Bowl. But you ain't never been in the super bowl in the last 30 years, Joe. I'm gonna be a Steeler fan for life, bro. But I like to be a Stiller fan that believes we can win a game and doesn't just hope we can win a game. And right now, I done lost hope. Damn, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, bro. Damn, Debo. Like. Because I'm not. Look, this is what I'm not gonna do. I don't want to say nothing crazy, because then I want you to crash out. I want to say. What can I say right now? Honestly, Debo, to support. For support. I'm just asking as a friend, bro.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't even need support, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

I just need a. I just. I just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't know what I need. I need something done.

[Joe Hayden]

You need something done?

[James Deebo Harrison]

If we don't do anything, we are saying we are.

[Joe Hayden]

This is. Okay.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What is going on? What has been going on?

[Joe Hayden]

So this is what I'm gonna tell you too, D. Ro, exactly what you're saying with the coaching part is I understand that wholeheartedly. Like, coaches can make me. I've had terrible coaches where I'm like, you're not Helping me at all. You're actually harming my. You're not making me any better. You're not. You're kind of putting confusion into my head. You're not. You're making me think twice. And that's what's going to slow a player down quicker than anything. If you don't know what, like, no, you got a great coach that's going to teach you technique, that's going to teach you where you need to be, where your eyes need to be and teach you. What's the, what's the word on nuances? What's the word?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Nuances.

[Joe Hayden]

Nuances. There we go. The nuances of your defense. So when you got, like, a really good coach, like, he always, like, when I had. I say who they had out there. Ag. Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn with my DB coach, played in the league, had 40 some picks.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That was Keith Butler to me.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude, I'm listening to that, man. Every word he says out of his mouth. Because at the same time, he's not telling me nothing that I don't think is possible and nothing that he never done before.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Exactly.

[Joe Hayden]

So it's like, okay, bet. Boom. Joe, you got to be able to this. And then if I don't do something, he's able to still understand, recognize, and, like, talk to me. So those coaches, like, they can help you out so much with slants, splits, telling you legitimately what's going to happen going into the game or with how to watch tape, how to prepare. You know what I'm saying? Really? The real pro stuff. Some other coaches, like, they just really. And then when I say this, too, your, your staff, your linebacker coach, your safety coach, if your corner coach, your. Everybody has to be speaking the same language.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

It doesn't need to be.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I know. We're not speaking the same language.

[Joe Hayden]

I, I, I. Yeah, you're right. You're. That's completely right, Debo. And that's not going to work because that's not. That's. People aren't moving fast. There needs to be. This is the way it's done. This is the way we're doing it. Everybody sees it. The whole defense should be able to sit in the damn. In the team, in the meeting and be able to cornerback know just what. What's going on.

[James Deebo Harrison]

When we played, when Kosobo was there, we broke down. We broke down defense as a unit, bro. Like, you got. You. You got to see who was doing what. Who was doing this dude that, that, that got separated into, you know, each, each unit doing their Own thing. And now, you know, you. Oh, that person should have did this and that. No, bro, like, let's. Let's go ahead and break this down, you know, and. And you was even there in Pittsburgh where it's times where, dude, we may not even watch the film. I haven't watched the film because maybe they don't want to call out who did something wrong. Like, it's. Dude, it's. Yeah, it. Like I said, I don't. I don't. I don't feel like this can be fixed with what we have now and.

[Joe Hayden]

Been being in that damn stadium yesterday. Deebo, that was one of the saddest times I for sure have ever been in that stadium when they got the booing Renegade. Yeah, I couldn't. I was. You know how you get that? You know how you embarrassed for somebody. I'm in the suite, like kind of low key, like, damn, no, they not doing this right now. Like I'm looking around like, no, stop booing. But it is what it is. They really. This is how it feels like. You know what I'm saying? If you're not going to make a change, people aren't going to be like, this is what it is. This offense does not looking good. The defense we're getting ran. They ran for 200 and some yards on us first downs and it's the same play. And when you look at TJ and when you listen to him say, he's like, I've never been in a game where I know they're running.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He has no. He has nothing to.

[Joe Hayden]

He don't.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Why can't you say anything when you can't say anything? It's things that you can't say.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, for sure. He's being a pro.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Dude. Anyway, bro, that's.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that. That was tough.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, man, let's get to.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, spaghettio Baguette spaghettios. You talking about them Browns.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I knew we're having over there in Cleveland, baby. Hey, listen, see, I see how that perked me up real quick. Hey, Mystery Love company, don't it? Misery Love company. Okay, respectfully. You funny.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah. It was a tough. It was a tough one over there for us, Debo. I'm not gonna lie to you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

Long story short, I think it was mainly. I wanna. I don't even have to go play by play for real with the Browns game. I really wanna get to. Overall.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Overall. Overall, how you think? How you. How you think. How you think Shador played overall?

[Joe Hayden]

Overall, I think he did still good. He. He didn't play like he didn't play great, you know what I'm saying? He didn't play great. But at the same time he's making steps, Making steps. He's still gonna be the starting quarterback. I think he, you know, I'm saying a couple of passes that he overthrown, you know what I'm saying? They could have put on the money, man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I think, I think maybe it was one, bro. I think it was really one that.

[Joe Hayden]

Was like over one pass overthrown. And then my thing is I just want him to stop stepping back in the pocket some sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think he could just step up in the pocket, do a little bit, a little bit better pocket awareness. But as far as him being able to be out there starting 1000%, he's looking good for me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I think he can make decisions a little quicker on in some situations.

[Joe Hayden]

That's yes, a thousand percent when I'm.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Saying the pocket, but that comes with, you know, time. With time. That comes with time, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

So with me, I'm loving what he's got going on. I just need him to keep, keep working, keep grinding. This is more on the special. Like the special team.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, special team. Sold on y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All. We can't, we're not good enough to do that. You know what I'm saying? Like our defense gonna be balling 66.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yard return to your 16.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, how is that gonna help? And then we, when we finally try to get a chance, we muffed the joint at the 10 yard line. Like this is not gonna help us win games at all. So I think that's more. We gotta just clean up, clean up all that defense. Y' all keep doing what y' all gotta do. Offense, we gotta run the ball.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Well, it didn't help. Not, not converting that fourth down either. I mean, you right there. I think y' all was at the 30, 32, something like that. They end up, this is thing. So the special teams return that went to the 16, the turnover on the downs, which was a fumble, which it would still would have been a Turnover at the 32, and then the muff punt at the 18, all those led to touchdowns. That's 21 of y', all, 26 points.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you, Deebo. Cause it wasn't like they was, you know, our defense is solid. They just not out there getting mudded. But if you get put in these messed up positions, something going to bend, something going to give, you know what I'm saying? So I think with the Offense, if you can just clean that up. Special teams just don't do those tournaments. We have to play a lot cleaner, you know what I'm saying?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like, we.

[Joe Hayden]

We don't have just that. We can't out talent. You. We got to be clean. We got to not make mistakes. We got to not turn over the ball, and that's that. We're going to keep it close and we going to grind out these games. It's not. We going to just blow nobody out. We got to stay tight with that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, yeah. I mean, you got. You got. You got one good thing going for you. You got it. You got a defense that's. That's playing and playing at a. Playing at a high level, dude. And ready Jerry Judy, he. He got into a little, I guess, confrontation with Shador right there on the sideline, you know, about whatever it was that was going on. Like, do you. Do you like him having that energy for Shador, or no? Do you like him not having that energy when he didn't have that same energy with. With Flacco? And. And you've.

[Joe Hayden]

You've seen 75 footballs fly over your head, and now you want to get mad at Shador? I'm like, bro, this is my whole thing. You know what Shador's going through right now. He's been a lot. This is only his third game plan. When Dylan was out there throwing ground balls, nobody was spazzing on this man. Going up to him, talking to him crazy. Like, I just don't. It just kind of rubs me the wrong way a little bit. You can go holl at him, you know what I'm saying? You know, he's trying. You know, he's trying to figure it out. All the cameras are on him for show. And knowing you can get in the heat of the moment, but I'm like, judy, is it because he overthrew the ball a little bit? Like he's sitting there trying to talk to you? You know, this is a young quarterback. You're a vet in the league. You're his best receiver. That's not gonna help him in this situation. I would just hope you could kind of take him more under the wing. You had Dylan throwing you the ball in the dirt for.

[James Deebo Harrison]

In the dirt, and we were not even coming close to you.

[Joe Hayden]

Not even coming close to you. And you didn't fucking go over there, and I didn't see the same energy. You spazzing on him on the sideline. You was letting him go talk to the coach and figure it out. He's trying to figure it out. That's just. It just gave me, like, come on, bruh. Like, he's only his third, second game starting. You're his best receiver. You didn't do that when you were getting ground balls. Previously, the person of the six games. That just doesn't. It just made me not feel good. Cause I'm like, judy. I like Judy. Judy, you a good dude. But you know what my young boy's going through, you know what I'm saying? So, like, be there for him. If that was you don't want to be.

[James Deebo Harrison]

If that's you, let that be you. No matter who in it, that's you.

[Joe Hayden]

If that's not you, if you can be. If you can show some compassion for Dylan, show my man some compassion. That's all I ask.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. 100%. So they tried to get Shador to. To. To. To say something. I think we got the. I think we got the sound. Let's play it. Those two fourth and ones that didn't work. And did you like Kevin having the aggressiveness there even backed up in your character? I mean, first. That's a rude question to ask if I'm. If I think, you know, it was a great call by my coach. You know, like, the aggression not. Do you like the call? Like, do you like. I like being out there playing. So whatever that comes with. It comes with, you know, like, you know, we. We not gonna be here in. In every point, figure out no coach or do anything like that. You know, that's extremely disrespectful, and that's not even in my place. So I'm thankful for being out there, honestly. And I'm thankful that he trusts as us, as an offense to be able to go out there and be able to execute. Did we execute? No, we didn't. But, you know, I'm just thankful that we have that trust. You see. You see what he's saying there, bro? You see what we saying there? He's saying, we didn't execute. We didn't. We. We didn't do that. I'm. I'm thankful. You know what our responses was yesterday. We don't know why, because you can't. You can't say nothing. He. He did. He did the right thing. We did the right thing. Our. Our players did the right thing. But why is it that you believe they keep trying to get Shador to take off, though?

[Joe Hayden]

Clickbait, Debo, clickbait. They try and go viral. They know soon as Shador say something, anything, he does is viral. And these Cleveland people, they know they're gonna get. They're gonna get a sound bite. They're doing it for a sound bite. They're trying to get him to say something and just get him in trouble or try to have him hit him against Kevin. Outside world, we know. We see how Kevin treats him. Hey, good game over there, Shador. You know what I'm saying? Like, we don't have. He don't have to go out there and say it. Everybody else is saying it for him. So if he's out there and, like, does it, then it's going to make it, oh, even more crazy. Shador is really just trying to go out this thing and play the quarterback position. I'm happy to be on the field. Thank you, Shador. That was the most perfect response to the question that Buddy was asking, because it's like, at the same time, I wasn't out there. Now I'm geeked. I'm on the field. I'm playing. That's the main thing is the main thing you trying to get me caught up with the coach. Y' all know what's going on with the coach. Like, y' all. Do y' all think it was a good call? I'm leave that to y'. All. I'm not. This not my position. I'm just happy to finally be out there with coaches letting me play. He knows my name. I'm not about to sit here and talk trash about this. Man, you tripping.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't think. I don't think that's the, you know, you. You just can't do it, especially when you're playing on the team, you know, even with, you know, Aaron, you know, I think he called out an unnamed, you know, receiver that I guess wasn't going to. To the meetings. To the meetings, you know, you know, you. You can't do that because now everybody's looking. They want to know who it is. You know, even if that is the case, you know, do you know who it was? I have no clue.

[Joe Hayden]

Do you have an inkling?

[James Deebo Harrison]

I have no clue. I don't look at the offense. I look at the defense. Okay, who do you think. Who you think it was?

[Joe Hayden]

And I don't just want to say it. I think it was Smith. I think it was 81 John.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oop.

[Joe Hayden]

I just think so, because you see how frustrated he was when he threw the post on that second and goal and he ran a seven route. Oh, he was split fasting, you know what I'm saying? Like, and he's like, yeah. And then some people, they run away. So I'm like this.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Ah, but you know, from. From. From what I. What. What I hear, you know, here and there, I hear, hell, some of the coaches leave fast as the players do. You know, I don't. I don't know. I've never heard nothing like that. I mean, the coaches are usually the ones that's there until they late.

[Joe Hayden]

Not Coach Tito, not Coach T, Not.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Coast T. No, I'm not talking about Coach T. But I'm just saying, like, yeah, that's. That's what? That. Obviously you hearing the same thing. I'm here, man. You know, So I feel like we.

[Joe Hayden]

Be in the same room sometimes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't know what's going on, but I mean, again, coaching.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Good coach.

[Joe Hayden]

I just. Good coach.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Great coach.

[Joe Hayden]

Bad coach.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, I'm just a coach. A bad coach go tell you the wrong things to do. I don't think we got no bad coaches. We got coaches. We got coaches. I don't know. Well, again, like you said, we hear things, and they're being told different things for the same assignment by different coaches. So is that just purposely telling you the wrong thing or just no knowledge of the whole understanding of it?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it would have to start from the top, and I would just. The coaches got to buy in to whatever they're trying to do, you know what I'm saying? Like, everybody has to be teaching the same thing if they're teaching something that they don't like. And the other coach, like this, man, I used to do it like this where I'm from. So, like, I'm like this. That's how you're going to have the team jacked?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, instantly.

[Joe Hayden]

And I say that's what I remember, because I'm not. No disrespect. The DB coach I had, Coach Scrap, I love him to death, but he would always talk about what they did in Penn State. I'm like, nobody gives a fuck what y' all did at Penn State. No, we're right here right now. That's what get us beat. I don't care what they did. You know what I'm saying? So, like, if that's that, that's real life. You got to have all your coaching staff bleeding together. This is what. Like, if. If the. If your defensive line coach has to be A.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No matter who tells you it, period, A is A.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So, like, we don't have that. It's confusion telling you where there's confusion, there's just Disruption.

[Joe Hayden]

There's gray there.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You can't have gray.

[Joe Hayden]

There's gray.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Too much gray. Too much gray.

[Joe Hayden]

It's like. Yeah, that gray. No, man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What.

[Joe Hayden]

What are we doing here?

[James Deebo Harrison]

What color is that? Black or white? Ah, it's great.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's great. Oh, no. Oh, I got. This is great. This is a couple grays, Man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Shelby Harris over there, he said. Jennings, he said. I'm surprised. Ain't nobody punched him in his jaw yet. We got the sound for that take off.

[Joe Hayden]

This was a great one.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He's a hoe and I want that known. Like, I see why he got punched in the nuts, because that's some. Like, he says some things that you should not say to another man ever. But, like, I don't respect it because you say that then run behind your old line. That's some real soft shit. And I want that known. I see exactly why they punched you.

[Joe Hayden]

Nuts.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm surprised nobody punched him in the jaw yet. So. So apparently, I guess he was talking about families, wives and kids and stuff. And, you know, that's. I mean, everybody know that's off limits. Like, come on, dude. Wives, kids, that's crazy. Like. Like, what's the. What's the worst trash talk you allowed and what was off limits? Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Honestly, bro, like you said, everything is mostly go except for, like, kids and family. You know what I'm saying? Cause, like, you're not touching me. You're not doing nothing. You're not going to hurt me. I'm out here playing ball. You probably wasting your energy. I can't breath. I'm out here. I'm a cornerback. If I'm sitting here trying to chop it up with you, I gotta run fade ball after fade ball. I'm trying to keep my breathing right. I'm trying to stay out here and be good. They don't stress me out at all. Like, trash talk and all that. But when you start talking about family, personal things like family and my kids, that's just. It's off limits. At the same time, I'm not gonna do nothing to you on the field. I mean, that's still just words, honestly for me while I'm playing.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But no, I'm gonna keep it a buck. I. Dude, if you had talked about my kids, I ain't even gonna say nothing to you. I promise you, I'm gonna find out I' ma still on you. Soon as the game over with, I am going to steal on you. I'm gonna try and knock all your fronts out. I'm not Gonna say a word to you. I'm just gonna look at you.

[Joe Hayden]

Deservingly so. Deservingly so.

[James Deebo Harrison]

As soon as you pop that helmet off, I'm gonna bomb on you. I don't care if I gotta get you walking through the tunnel.

[Joe Hayden]

You gonna catch them?

[James Deebo Harrison]

I' ma catch you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm gonna catch you. Like you can do all that, you know, ass this and punk, you know, that's. That's normal talk. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm gonna. You lucky I ain't kill you on that play. All that. Yeah, you know all that. Yeah, all that. Yeah, you know, I ain't tripping on that.

[Joe Hayden]

So he doing that. He like legitimately has research then, bro.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He done did research.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, he probably.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He probably calling names.

[Joe Hayden]

Calling names. You call me old lady box, right?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen, listenmay, bro, I ain't gonna say his name, bro. He know who he is. He know he is. That boy would do research, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

About them people, old ladies.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That dude would do research about girlfriends, all that stuff, man. You know, he kept his ear to the street, man.

[Joe Hayden]

C debo, you would have fumbled on. You would have fumbled on him.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You listen, bro, he ain't talking about no wives, though. This before social media now.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay? Okay.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And, you know, don't let it be, you know, like some outside club to all that. You know what I'm saying? You gotta. Yeah, I'm. You know, I'm hearing. I'm hearing this out the corner of my ear. I'm like. I'm hearing. I can't tell you what he was saying, but yeah, I'm like, he what? Who? That one right there. I'm like, oh, my God. So I, you know, I'm not gassed into it, you know.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

People you hate, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Bruh, man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, and I ain't gonna lie, dude. It had. And he, like I said, he getting. He getting real details this before the real social media and all that, you know what I'm saying? Like, he getting details. So he know he. No, no, he.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, he been there.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? Right? Oh, now once you say something, you know. No, anything after that is actually reasonable or susceptible for him to believe because he know you said something that you don't know that you should. No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, dude. Dude, it was. It was throwing cats off. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no, that for sure.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, it was throwing cats off. Dude, who was the biggest trash talker?

[Joe Hayden]

You played with her face Michael Crabtree and Antoquan Bolden.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Both of them. I can't. Me and Michael Crabtree. I still, I still want. I still don't like him. I still don't like him. But me and Anquad are cool. Anquad, cool. He just go hard. He trying to block me all hard and stuff. But I can respect it. Love of the game, you know what I'm saying? So like, I sound just like, God damn, like, what's up? And then we just started talking, going at it, saying crazy, but no harm, no foul. Crabtree was just. Me and him were sponsored by Jordan together. We was two Jordan athletes. And I thought it was gonna be cool. Crab cheat, man, when I first met, he was like this, you can't guard me. I said, oh, like that. I said, I'll strap you. So then from that point on, every time we seeing them, we just don't rock with each other.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, dang, bro, you just gonna walk up to me, tell me you can't guard me? I'm like, damn. No high, no. What's up?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, the game on this though, bro. I guess the Titans running back Julius Chestnut says the Jaguars kicker, Cook, he, he threatened to kill him. Like, hey, hey, Joe, what you doing if the punter start talking crazy to you?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, look, he's gonna, he's gonna get crack backed. He's gonna get cracked back. I'm gonna hit him like Sean Taylor did. Straight up, bruh.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You can't do that now though.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna. Look, it's. He gonna get cracked back though. He gonna. I'm gonna, I'm. I'm gonna have to hit the punter, bro. Not. Not crazy, like, I'm just trying to block him. Not too hard.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't even know if I could take it serious. It depends how he said, but look.

[Joe Hayden]

What he gonna do.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But that's what I'm like, how did.

[Joe Hayden]

He say it though?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like, you know that's in his face too, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, like, like imma kill you. Just like for real.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like, like. Right. Did you mean it for real?

[Joe Hayden]

You know how Debo, you know I kill you, but like coming across the middle, like I took your head off, man. My head's not really coming off. You know what I'm saying?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like you the punter talking about you go kill somebody. Like for real. For real.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying, bro. What kind of punter is he?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Affiliated, Right?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. I gotta check I gotta make sure. Hold up now. Check his bandana.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen man, that gotta be like the most disrespectful thing ever. The punter threatened to kill you, bro. The fact that you threatened to kill me as a punter.

[Joe Hayden]

How did they get on the field was he was this specialty.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He had to be on some type of special team.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the only time his ass on the field or unless it was pre game, he went out of a smack crazy. No way bruh. No way he did that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I don't, I don't know bro.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

Threatens you.

[Joe Hayden]

He.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He gotta be thinking real little of you, man. Ain't no punters out there just. Just talking ruthless and crazy like that and run up on you, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Ty, hold on. Did he play for the Jags Jaguar? Oh, yeah, he. I'm telling you, he must have some goon teammates and some people that he really trusts.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Nah, bro. I don't care who you trust, bro. You know about talking a punter. What you gonna do, kick me?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Go kick the ball at me or something.

[Joe Hayden]

No, he might got fired.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like, huh.

[Joe Hayden]

He. You never know. A punter could still be.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Did he say, you know, I'm going to the trunk, I'll be back, I'll be going.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, nah, I'm gonna kill you. Like right here, right now on the field with my bare hands and my kicking leg.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like, I mean, he might be able to kick the out you though. I ain't gonna lie now. He gonna catch you across that midsection.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, he'll put you down for a while. Put you down for.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, he go. He might couple ribs now.

[Joe Hayden]

Puncture along for sure.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Surgery.

[Joe Hayden]

Surgery for sure.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

He gonna take you out.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, my goodness. Dude. Broncos went on here and beat the commanders in overtime, dude. 27 to 26 and they did it. But your boy, what's. What's his name?

[Joe Hayden]

Bonito, but yeah, Nick Bonito.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Bonito, he blocked the overtime. Two point conversion. Swatted that thing down, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

They went for the two point conversion for the win.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I mean, what they got to lose?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you right. The game.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It's overtime. Like you could go into a tie.

[Joe Hayden]

And it was going just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's worse.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I'd rather win. We done been out here all day.

[James Deebo Harrison]

All day.

[Joe Hayden]

We could have just left it 00 and just right and been like, yo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Let'S just call this right now before we even step out here. Yep, let's forfeit this thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's call it outside.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Let's call it. Let's call it a straight up tie. Like, is there. Is there any worse way to end a game, bro, than a tie?

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No.

[Joe Hayden]

Thousand lose. Lose for sure. Lose worse. Ty, I'm just pissed off because I'm like this. I need to do something. Like how I'm unfigured out. Like, I came in here. We've been fighting for an hour over for three hours. And it's a draw. Like, I don't like draws. We gotta have a winner.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, somebody gotta win or lose, man.

[Joe Hayden]

We've been here too that damn long. I've been sweating. I've been fighting for my life, and you're gonna tell me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm out here fighting for my life.

[Joe Hayden]

For my life, and you're gonna tell me up. Even. Even.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Let's go ahead. We're gonna call it. Nah, we go. We gonna sit here and play until the morning.

[Joe Hayden]

If we're gonna shoot for it, we gotta shoot for it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Something, something. Gotta get something. Pass competition, something. Field goal. You know what?

[Joe Hayden]

Whoever can hit the goal post longest still. I can.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You win the tie.

[Joe Hayden]

Longest field goal or I can. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes. See, that's longest field goal or 50 yards.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I think they just went 18 innings in baseball and wanted to play all game. 18?

[Joe Hayden]

That's too long.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Somebody gotta win. Somebody gotta lose.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, somebody definitely gotta win. Somebody gotta lose.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Somebody gotta win. Somebody gotta lose. Listen, if you. You gotta. You got a choice to make, then it's either a go ahead, let them win. Because if we keep playing longer, hell, you might have a short week coming up. Maybe you did this on a Sunday. You got a Thursday game.

[Joe Hayden]

Thursday game. Hey, listen, it's already.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Chalk this up, man. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Daniel.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Tuesday.

[Joe Hayden]

Hold up, guys.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Hey, we are.

[Joe Hayden]

For real.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We already got issues, man. Damn. Yo, what do you. What do you think of Denver's chances of, you know, winning the Super Bowl?

[Joe Hayden]

Nope.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Nope. Nope. I ain't got nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. I ain't got nothing.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Why. Why you say that?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just. I'm not. I like Bo, but I just don't know. I like Bo, but I just don't know. They. And then the receivers are cool. They're a good team. But Super Bowl. I just don't think that they have enough to do it. I just don't.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I ain't gonna. Yeah, I feel the same way. Like, you gotta have something on offense or your defense has to be like. Just outlandishly, like, great. And it ain't that on either side, like you just went into a dog.

[Joe Hayden]

Fight with Washington and Mariota.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

Like not even the whole squad, right?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Not even the whole squad. Also that could be a situation where hey, they, they playing, they playing down. Maybe they ain't playing up to, you know, the, you know, potential they could play. But it's a lot of these games that's just like, just close.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. It's just too, I mean the good that they winning, you know what I'm saying? I'm not mad at their team. I'm glad like you can, you don't have and you don't get style points in this league. So no, like, but just for my personal preference, I'm like Bo, he's just too iffy for me. You know what I'm saying? So his consistency ain't there.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, I would, I would agree with you on that one. I would agree with you on that one. Joe. You know what time it is, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man, play or fade.

[James Deebo Harrison]

All right, Joe, you know how it works.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I made my lineup for my picks for tonight's Monday night football game. You either play my lineup or you faded and you tell me why. So right now this is my lineup, brother. Okay? I'm going with Drake May, Diggs and Henderson for more. I'm going for more because New York is the 30th ranked defense. Drake May is playing exceptional ball. Okay. And Stefon Diggs will be a recipient of that ball. Yes. Along with that Henderson, he is going to be going up against a 32nd dead last rushing defense. Now I also am going more on Jackson dart because I think New England will get, get ahead, get up big and in trash time there'll be some prevent defense and he'll get some throws in there that won't affect the game, but it will give him more.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Debo, what are you going to do, brother?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm going to tell you this right now. When I was first looking at it, I was thinking about playing it for show. Only when I was thinking about fading was maybe the dart. Cause I don't like, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what they gonna do. But your explanation, my brother, those trash yards, they gonna be, they might be getting smacked in those little prevents and little checkdowns. He might get 65 just on something like that. That don't matter.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But one drive don't matter for us.

[Joe Hayden]

We need it 65. We need every one of them yards. So I'm gonna go ahead and play with my dog.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, sir. Listen, that's the right thing to do. Look, make sure y' all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe for. Come on, fifty dollars in lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup, okay? Tell your mama, your papa, everybody here. Tell them all. Everybody need to know. Everybody, everybody, everybody love me Everybody, everybody love me yeah. With your Dougie Joe, it say we got some super chats.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, they do. Whoever. Debo, Go ahead, take off.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yo, we got. What is it? Convent. Convent life. 7 9, 3. Donated 50.

[Joe Hayden]

Shout out 50.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Covenant life.

[Joe Hayden]

Covenant life.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Covenant life. 79 7, 3.

[Joe Hayden]

9 7, 3 9, 7.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Man, he said. Roger. He said Rogers hasn't thrown a Hail Mary since. This is Covenant Life. That said this, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, this is called. This is coveted life right here.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He said I just. Bro. He said. He said Rogers hasn't thrown a Hail Mary since Jesus rose from the. From the dead, bro. Arthur Smith brought the church curse from Atlanta and that. Tomlin needs to retire.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Just go. Hey, I'm. I'm not saying anybody needs to retire, but what we are getting here from Mike right now is not conducive to what the Pittsburgh Steelers are used to and what this lineage, legacy of the Steelers organization is. You know, this is not what these 70s legends want to come back to. This is not what guys of my era want to come back to. You know, this is not what the fans want. What. What are the fans going to have once they get older? You got the 70s, you got the. You got the 2000, 2010s. They got something to go to. What? What? The young generation that's coming up now got to go to look at what happened before they were even thought of. Before they was a thought swimming in their daddy's sack. This is ridiculous, man. Yeah, we don't do anything. We are saying that it's okay. It's happening. It's okay.

[Joe Hayden]

No. And Debo, I have never in my life, like, with Coach Tomlin, I've always just thought about, like, no. Like, man, no. Never getting rid of Coach T. But when you think about it outside and when you look at listening to that stadium, when you thinking about the fans, when you're thinking about the belief, like, what's going on for real, sometimes it's not. Not retiring, but even Coach T, Coach, he's a. It may be a different place, maybe. You know what I'm saying? Not saying, like, he's not the worst, but like just a change of something because something.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Something has to change.

[Joe Hayden]

Something has to change because it's because it's the.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It's not.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not the Steelers. Not having Stillers, not having hope is not good. Like that's the.

[James Deebo Harrison]

My hope is gone.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. And that's not really something that I'm used to seeing from the Steelers.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No. Like, what do the fans have to look forward to on a Sunday? Now this is a blue collar time. People work hard, they go and they grind. And on Sunday you get to go out there and you get to root on your Steelers and you get to see and let your frustrations out because you feel as if when you're watching your defense out there and they're punishing people, that's you punishing people because you've done put in all this work out here all week and now you go there and you get let down and you get beat down even more and you got nothing to go back with. But more of nothing. That's what we looking at. That's why fans are frustrated. They done went all week being stomped on, stepped on, and then we get out there on Sunday and we get stomped on and stepped on. They feel that with us.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, you ain't lying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I said I wasn't. Go get. I ain't gonna raise my voice. I ain't gonna do that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you. You did way better than I expected today though, Debo. That's his fact. We got another super chat too.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Go ahead, take off, man.

[Joe Hayden]

What's this? L, Y, N, C. Lynch. Lynch.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Lynch. Lisa.

[Joe Hayden]

19191, donated $20. Number six, personal fouls. Every effing game. Is she talking about Queen? Is he number six?

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't know. Did he get a personal foul?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I didn't see one. Did you?

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't think so. But she's talking about just personal fouls every effing in the game. Do we get. Our team get personal fouls? You probably talking about.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't know. I guess Cam got one, so.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, Cam. Cause that was.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, dude, come on.

[Joe Hayden]

Talking about.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Talking about quarterback need you in the stomach. Like, man, how many times you don't. You don't hit somebody and they stuff, man. Like that's what. Excuse me. That's what we talking about, bro. We're not talking about how they just went out here and, and, and. And just really like dog did what they needed to. Like that, that. That penalty don't even matter. Like just let it like let it ride, bro. I'm sure you could find plays out there where you Done did something that you got away with. Like, everybody done did something. But that's what we talking about. I don't know, man. It's just another one.

[Joe Hayden]

Who's your trucker? Donated $5 a red a rod. Seems to reference last night by the players not showing up for film study. Is that normal? Just do whatever when the meeting's called.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So I don't know if it's actual, like, film study that is, like, set up by the players or whatever. My thing is this. If it's something that's set up that you have decided that you're going to do either as a group or as a offense or whatever, you need to show up.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Period. It doesn't. It doesn't matter.

[Joe Hayden]

I know it's. And then when he's saying, is that normal? I would say, no, no, no.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm not a person that watched film as much as everyone else. I watched film enough to get a understanding of what they did. I didn't want to get stuck into saying, okay, is this. Is that I'm jumping things that are not really there. Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Because I don't.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Right. I don't looked at something and got that. What I did a lot of is I just studied the person that I was going against.

[Joe Hayden]

What.

[James Deebo Harrison]

How did they set. When they would pass block if they gave something away? Yeah, you know, I keep referencing this. We had a running back that we went against in Buffalo, and dude, every time it was a run, he lined up at fullback. He was fullback. And if he did his hand like this, we knew it was a run. I don't know why he did it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But it was a hundred percent. And we knew it was either Army Air Force. If he didn't do that, it was a pass. I think it was just a twitch that he got to get ready to block. And I'm talking about just literally, you know, hand on the ground, this one here, and this hand that's rested right here like this, he would just roll, dude. Just like, wave it and we like, yo. And somebody. I didn't see it. Somebody else is like, yo, look at the running back's hand. The fullback. Look at his hand. If he's in there and he do this, it's a run.

[Joe Hayden]

In his mind, he getting ready to fight on somebody. Right? He getting ready. Oh, I'm getting ready.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Telling on yourself. We got Eric Horn 101, donated $5. The problem is these young heads don't have no OGs to show them what not to do. I would say with this.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You I.

[Joe Hayden]

Would need to be in the meeting room because I don't think Kalen Ramsey would be trying to tell nobody no wrong stuff. He's trying to give them the good. He's trying to give them the. He don't want to be out there looking crazy.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Again, though. I'm trying to give you this as a player, but with your coach saying, who you gonna listen to?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. But we, like, like, who are you gonna listen to when Jalen's getting the. I know for sure, because at the same time, when you do come in there, Jalen, you wanna come and hope that everything, all the knowledge you know is all good, but what we do here is how we do it here, you know what I'm saying? Like your defense all the way to. It was done in Jacksonville or in the Rams. That's all good. All that knowledge is good because you know football, you've seen a lot of football before, but this is the way that we run the stuff here. You know what I'm saying? Like all just. Just the different checks, the different motions.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I know, I know this. You have coaches, like you said, hey, this is how we did it at so and so. Well, that's how you did it there. You're not there no more. We not there.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You can't. You can't tell me as a linebacker how I need to take on a block every play because every person I go with isn't going to try and block me the same way. Yes. I know where I need to get. And then that scheme to get to my position, I can take that on however it is that I need to take it on. The same thing. When you go to big one receivers, how receivers release. You can't tell a receiver he has to release a way every time. No, that corner that he's going against may be so skilled, that ain't gonna work. No, they have to bump step and not even take off on the first one.

[Joe Hayden]

You better let that, man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

This corner is somebody that got hands and he gonna put them on you. If you go like you're just trying to take off from the line. Much of that that is just coaching. It's coaching and they're trying to make either players stick to straight coaching and not having that nuance like you said of having someone that played the position in the league that did it. Why automatic buy in? Because now I can see what you're doing. Oh, yeah, you. You go have to do this. Coach, coach, Coach Bus was prime example, dude. He's like, okay, look, when you're doing this, I understand it's going to be hard, but if you're able to maybe try this, you could do it. Big thing that he told me, dude, is stack your cleats high, low, high. Why? Because when the ground gets slippery, especially at where we play at home, you need to stagger it. Because if they're all sitting at the same level, you don't dig into the ground. Dude, I stopped slipping like up to 70, 80 of the time, bro. I'm like, oh, cool. He give you them same thing. Like with. Okay, you, you, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta play. You gotta play head up on the tight end. Okay? You got a 2 gap, but you got the C gap. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to play the C gap light, which means I'm not gonna step into it. I'm gonna play it. If he steps that way, I can get to it. But I'm already lined up, head up. I'm worried about him hooking me and just cutting me off and making the corner short. Okay, play it like this. Think about this and just read him back off a little bit. Why? Why back off? Because it gives you room to see what he's doing instead of trying to be up on him close. And now you can't see. And it don't matter where he moved because you're guessing thousand percent.

[Joe Hayden]

That's good coaching tips. That's what coaches will give you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We're missing right now on this staff and we've been missing for a while.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't lying. D jrock213 Debo will be a better coach. Debo will be a better coach. Get in these dudes ass. Pause. Fire. Everybody, including. Stop it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Rooney.

[Joe Hayden]

Time to go. Young.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen, bro, listen. Hey, listen. We appreciate y' all for coming. Y' all getting out of control right now, but we really appreciate y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We go get this moving, okay? Y'. All. Y' all just going. Y' all going ham right now. We appreciate y' all watching us though. Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We want y' all to come back, be here.

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Not Rooney. It's not Rooney.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We go give you everything. We go. We go give you honest opinions. You like it or you don't like it. It's how we feel. It's what we feel needs to be done.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, yo, appreciate you guys, man. Make sure you guys like and subscribe. Come back. We'll be here tomorrow after a Monday night game. Let's get it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And we out. What a matchup we got, y'.

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