Deebo & Joe - REACTION to TNF: Chargers beat Vikings, Rodgers RETIRING in GB?! NBA Gambling SCANDAL

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe - Reaction to TNF and Sports Scandals

Date: October 24, 2025
Host: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

In this entertaining and candid episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legends James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden break down their reactions to Thursday Night Football (Chargers vs. Vikings), discuss Aaron Rodgers’ claim of wanting to retire with the Green Bay Packers, and dive into the unfolding NBA gambling scandal involving high-profile names. The duo also touches on player comebacks, international laws for athletes, and some lighter moments around locker room culture. The episode’s atmosphere reflects “barbershop real talk” with plenty of humor, honesty, and football expertise.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chargers Beat Vikings: TNF Recap & Reaction

[02:59–18:44]

• Complete Domination by Chargers:
  • The Chargers took control early, and Minnesota could not keep up. “It was 37 to 10. ... From the first play, when he threw that little swing pass behind the running back, you know, he's been kind of the issue.” (A, 02:59)
  • LA’s offense only stopped themselves: “Only thing stopped LA was LA. They missed the field goal.” (A, 06:24)
• Herbert’s Impressive Night:
  • Noted Herbert’s poise after early mistakes, running well and making clutch throws: “Herbert using his legs, looking athletic from that one errant throw. No other throws were off target after that play.” (E, 05:14)
  • Herbert stat line: 18/25, 225 yds, 3 TDs, plus 62 rushing yards.
• Minnesota’s Struggles:
  • Carson Wentz pressured, hurting, and visibly emotional: “He was getting smashed out there... my man was crying out there.” (E, 15:43)
  • The Vikings only managed 164 total yards, were sacked 5–6 times, and showed no running game.
• Notable Play:
  • An almost-pick-six by Isaiah Rodgers, reversed on review—discussion on the fine details of what constitutes a catch.
• Key Quotes:
  • “The defense can’t stop nobody. They had 24 first downs. ... Did they even punt once? They didn’t punt the whole game, Debo.” (E, 16:29)

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2. Deep Dive: Emotions, Injuries, and Losing in the NFL

[15:13–19:34]

• Playing Hurt vs. Injured:
  • Deebo and Joe debate the fine line: “There's a difference between playing hurt and being injured. I'm like, that's an injured man out there.” (E, 15:50)
• Sideline Emotion:
  • On crying in football:
    • “I tried to say he wasn't crying, he was just upset. ... But my son was like, literally, is he on the sideline crying? I'm like, he was crying, Debo.” (A, 15:45)
    • “I might cry. I might cry. I might cry. I'm crying.” (E, 19:15)
• Locker Room Culture:
  • Losing leads to lost privileges (ping pong tables, games in locker rooms) and a shift in team morale.

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3. Rodgers’ Comments: “I’ll Retire in Green Bay” & Steelers/Packers Preview

[19:41–27:26]

• Is it a Revenge Game?
  • Rodgers’ claim he’ll retire in Green Bay sparks debate.
    • “In my heart of hearts, I think he 150,000% want to beat the dog—not out of them boys.” (A, 20:51)
    • “As a competitor, he definitely wants to beat them ... You want to show them what they’re missing out on.” (E, 19:59)
• Personal Tales:
  • Deebo recounts his own drive to face former teams: “I'm trying to beat this thing out of B team, man.” (A, 25:37)
• Game Previews:
  • Steelers vs Packers: Hosts expect a real test and offer ticket giveaways to fans.
  • Browns vs Patriots: Joe wishes for his team to win but admits the Patriots look strong.
  • Both make emotional picks, separating heart from head.

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4. Around the League: Ravens, Player Comebacks, and AI Officiating

[34:32–47:03]

• Ravens’ Downfall:
  • Team’s struggles and calls for “magic” are mocked: “Man, you need a miracle.” (A, 37:32)
  • Solution: Simpler than “magic”—just win your one-on-ones and do your job.
• Comebacks & Retirement:
  • Joe on being approached for a return: “No, Debo. No, no, no. Because I told my agent I'm done. ... I would be disrespecting the game thinking, like, I can just come off the couch after two years.” (E, 39:46 & 41:09)
  • Deebo: “Looks can be deceiving. ... The only thing I'm going for now, baby, is the look.” (A, 43:31)
• AI in Officiating:
  • Both embrace the idea of AI for instant, accurate calls.
    • “If y', all, I want you to get everything straight, get everything correct, get it right. ... It's an easier way to do all this.” (A, 44:03)
    • Joe: “For like lines, first downs, did they score toes in, stuff like that.” (E, 44:44)
  • Deebo introduces the idea of “scouting refs” as an unseen competitive edge:
    • “Scout your refs. ... They scout the rest. If this a ref that calls a lot of holding... gives the opportunity to be a little handsier today...” (A, 47:03; E, 48:09)

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5. NBA Gambling Scandal: Allegations & Reactions

[49:34–57:06]

• Alleged Crimes & Names:
  • Chauncey Billups (coach), Terry Rozier (player), and others under fire.
  • “They got all this. Allegedly, okay. ... They have text, they got paper trail texting back and forth, talking about, hey, you winning too much, you need to lose some. ... $7 million over six years.” (A, 50:15)
  • “When you start loading dice, when you start cheating people, that's. ... It's a theme. You're stealing.” (E, 54:24)
• Mafia Ties Alleged:
  • Deebo warns: “Allegedly, it was also backed by the Mafia. ... That's scary. That's scary. There's... a lot of different levels to it.” (A, 52:43; E, 53:01)
• Impact and Hall of Fame Discussion:
  • Comparing to Pete Rose: “Pete Rose couldn't get in because of this.” (A, 53:41)
  • “Make all that money and you scamming people, dude.” (A, 53:54)

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6. International Athletes and Legal Risks – The Jared Shaw Case

[57:09–61:41]

• Harsh Penalties Abroad:
  • Jared Shaw faces a possible death penalty in Indonesia over a cannabis edible.
  • Deebo’s advice: “When you're going over to these foreign countries, like. ... Know what their rules are, dude.” (A, 57:33)
  • Deebo’s Delta-9 mix-up story (by accident): “I ate, like, eight of them, bro. ... Oh, yeah. ... If he let me live, I was never taking another CBD, Gummy.” (A, 59:32)
• Travel Wisely:
  • Joe and Deebo on obeying local laws and not getting “locked up abroad.”
  • “Just be normal. ... Respecting everybody else. And they're gonna respect you.” (E, 63:05)

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7. Locker Room Privileges, Morale, and Team Culture

[34:01–34:32, 34:38, 38:11–39:03]

• Locker room games and privileges are tied to winning: “Start losing privileges, start losing all your little games that might be in there. ... I never liked having games in the locker room because it has a distraction.” (A, 34:01–34:22)
• “When you start losing, you have guys trying to do extra. ... Just do your job and everything else will fall in this place, man.” (A, 39:03)

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8. Fan Giveaways & Light-Hearted Ending

[02:25, 26:34, 64:22–65:53]

• Multiple reminders about ticket giveaways for upcoming Steelers games.
  • “We’re gonna give away two sets of two tickets for Sunday night’s game. ... Follow myself, Joe, like and subscribe.” (A, 02:25, 26:34)
• Humorous aside: Woman in Florida claims to be Eminem’s wife to avoid paying a bill. (A, 64:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Deebo on Herbert’s Running:
  • “And then he killed you with the scrambling, though. Scrambling. He had seven for 62.” (A, 14:15)
• Joe on Sideline Tears:
  • “By the end of the game, my man was crying out there, and they didn’t have. ... He was crying, Debo.” (E, 15:43)
• On Retirement:
  • Joe: “I would be disrespecting the game thinking, like, I can just come off the couch after two years.” (E, 41:09)
  • Deebo: “Looks can be deceiving. That's the only thing I'm going for now, baby, is the look.” (A, 43:31)
• On Scouting Refs:
  • “When I got there, I'm like, why have we never…scout the refs? If this a ref that calls a lot of holding...” (A, 47:03)
• On International Law:
  • “Look up the rules and laws for the country you're going to...you won't have to end up in jail fighting for your life.” (A, 60:14)
• NBA Gambling Scandal:
  • “If I ever play any type of gambling poker with you, bro, you go give me every penny back. Jail time ain't what you gonna have to worry about, bro.” (A, 51:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Charger-Vikings Recap: 02:59–18:44
• Rodgers & Packers Revenge Game: 19:41–27:26
• Ravens, Player Comebacks, Locker Room Culture: 34:32–39:03
• AI in Officiating & Scouting Refs: 43:50–48:34
• NBA Gambling Scandal: 49:34–57:06
• International Athlete Legal Risks: 57:09–61:41

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, humorous, and honest, with candid professional athlete insights.
• Playful jabs and real talk common between Deebo and Joe.
• Frequent use of personal anecdotes and energy akin to postgame locker room banter.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a must-listen (or read) for football junkies, sports fans following scandal news, and anyone wanting to understand the pressures and pitfalls facing star athletes on and off the field. Deebo and Joe pull no punches, blending serious sports analysis, life lessons, and good old-fashioned storytelling with lots of laughs and some surprising vulnerability.

Transcript

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[A]

Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[E]

I'm doing good, Deebo. Always good to have you on set with me, brother. Having a good show. How you doing?

[A]

I'm doing real good, man. We got, we got a nice surprise for the people, man. So what we go do now since this is a Sunday night game, you know, we're going to, for the, for the Steelers. Of course we're saying we when we use we, we talking about the Steelers when we use you, we're talking about or him. You know, we're talking about, we're talking about the Browns.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Though appreciate giving away at the end of the show. All right. We're gonna give away two sets of two tickets for Sunday night's game. Okay? Okay.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

You gotta follow myself Joe, like and subscribe to Debo and Joe and that's all you need to do. Come on like the Debo and Joe. So along and that's it. And we just go pick.

[E]

Good word.

[A]

Whoever worked.

[E]

Good work. I like it. I like that, Devo. Giving. Giving. Spirit. I love that. I love that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You gotta give a little something back, man. Like, you know, didn't give nothing back. It was. It was 37 to 10. So we go. We go hop right into that, too. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I thought it was gonna be some trouble, you know. I ain't gonna lie to you. From the first play, when he threw that little swing pass behind the running back, you know, he's been kind of the issue, you know, when. When it come down to it. And then, you know, the third down, he threw the rock. He got lucky. That was nobody around, dude, he was able to catch that one. But, dude, he was, you know, he was literally pressured all night. They end up, you know, punting the rock and la. They get up out there and your boy Isaiah Rogers.

[E]

Did you. What did you think about that, Debo? Did you think it was. Did you think it was a big six?

[A]

I thought it was a pick six. But when you look at it and they do the review and you start slowing that thing down, then it's room for that. I think if he goes and just keeps both hands under it, do his role instead of trying to throw that hand out so he could put the other one down and take off. Yeah, I think they give it to him, but they don't. You know what I'm saying? They back out there.

[E]

I was looking at that too, Deebo. I feel you. Because it looked like he pick the ball, but, you know, just when you start doing real, for real, super slow motion, sometimes the ball touches the ball. You don't know if he had. He can have control of it, like, fully with a piece of the ball touching the ground. So there's room for, like, there's room for questioning.

[A]

So, yeah, no question. Because when it comes down to it, you don't. You don't take your other hand off the ball unless you sure you got it gripped in that one. Because he's trying to get up and get up.

[E]

He's trying to get up and go. He's trying to move. He's just athletic. He's like, I got the ball. So now I'm just. Whatever I got to do to get up and get out of here fast as possible. That's what I'm trying to do.

[A]

Yeah, I think if he. Like I said, if he. If he just kept both hands there and rolled that Thing out, they'd have been able to see. Even though it moved. I had hands on it.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Then, you know, he, he would have been able to take that and go. Instead it turns around into a 14 play drive, almost 85 yards, close to eight minutes off the clock and they, they score seven. Yeah.

[E]

And that. And that was complete. It could have been like the game could have. Like you said, the game could have been flipped. It could have been pick six. But then they took a seven minute drive. Herbert using his legs, looking athletic from that one errant throw. No other throws were off target after that play.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And then they come right back out, you know, they do a three out. I think he sacked on consecutive down. No, he was pressured on the second and then he got sacked on the third. They kick, you know, they, they gotta punt the ball again.

[E]

He's running for his life, Debo.

[A]

Dude. All night, all night. La. Come back out there, dude. Eight plays. That's all it needed to cover the hot. What, 60 yards.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Another touchdown. It's. It's 14 nothing, dude. I'm like this, this might get real ugly, you know I'm saying one of those ugly games, but they end up getting lucky, you know what I'm saying? The next possession he should have been picked on that second down. Yes, yes. But he wasn't. So they ended up, you know, scoring a field goal. You know, it's three, it's three to 14 again. They cannot stop LA. Only thing stopped LA was LA. They missed the field goal.

[E]

Mr. Field goal.

[A]

They missed the field goal and they weren't even able to, you know, capitalize on that. They end up hitting a hot three and out. And then LA comes right back in there and Herbert and that.

[E]

But that's, that's when what's the name started getting hurt. When, when Wentz, like he picked.

[A]

He was already hurt. That's why I was looking.

[E]

He was looking hurt the whole game.

[A]

Yeah, but that's why I was worried. As soon as I saw the whole little brace on that arm over there and he threw that swing pass and it was behind him. I'm like, man, this is. You ain't been playing well the last two games anyway. Well, really, last three. Three out of four games, he ain't been playing too well. So I'm like, yeah, this, this, this, this can get. And you know, Herbert goes out there, that next drive, he goes five or six. I think it was like 60, 65 yards, something like that. He had another like scramble for like 25 or something. Like that in between two. Two different scrambles, and they end up going 94 yards, dude, in just over three minutes, bro.

[E]

Yes. Nine plays and he. McConkey was getting open on the third downs, and then he hit my man with just a straight fade ball up the sideline, you know what I'm saying? Like, McConkey was balling and Herbert was using his legs on that drive that they just walked the ball 94 yards, nine plays down the field. That drive was impressive for sure.

[A]

21, 213 halftime, right? Yep. I think it's 213 halftime. LA gets the kickoff, right. They know Minnesota gets it, and LA ends up getting a. A landing zone penalty. So that game.

[E]

Oh, yeah, the kicker. Yeah, he. He done. He done shank the joint.

[A]

He shanked the stank out of it. I think I could have got. I think I could have got that better than that. No, but again, once, you know, he was pressured all night, dude. I think he got sacked on first and second down. I think that was the time.

[E]

Yep, he hit Jefferson. He ended up making a good pass that got Jefferson down there and. And then the field goal kicker came up. Then this field goal kicker duffed it. Came up about 2 yards short of the field goal. It was.

[A]

He kicked half the ground up.

[E]

Yeah, no, he kicked behind the ball.

[A]

Yeah, he kicked half the ground up with that one.

[E]

No, he definitely.

[A]

He chunked it. He did a golf chunk, bruh. I take it back. That was. That was the end of the first half.

[E]

Yeah, that was the end of the first half.

[A]

But it was. Yeah, it was. It was 3 to 21. Same thing. Yeah. And then the second half started off, and that's when Vidal said, soon, man, Vidal and started. And started doing his thing.

[E]

He was running hard, patient, like hitting the hole.

[A]

He wanted them little bowling ball, running back.

[E]

He was toting that pill.

[A]

Yeah, they ended up getting a field goal on that. On that first one. Yeah, but Minnesota, they said they got. They got kind of lucky. Yeah, they. They. No, I'm talking about for. For the. They had a fumble, but they. They. They were able to reverse. Yeah, yeah, they were able to recover. They punted it off. And then that was when. Immediately after. After that, Huber, he. He got the tip, the tip pass. They got the interception. And you know, again, Minnesota, they kick a. Was it a field goal? No, I think it was la. LA goes. And they kicked the field go. That's what it was. And they had, like. They had extra dudes on the field.

[E]

Oh, no. Yeah, because I remember I had six.

[A]

That they had scored three to make it six. They had 12 men on the field. They gave him an extra five yards. Yes.

[E]

So then they went. So they took the field gold off and they went.

[A]

Yeah, and then they got the.

[E]

They went for it on 4th and 9.

[A]

Yeah. Then they got the. The illegal contact. They gave him a first down.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. They was getting lucky.

[E]

I'm like, yeah, they was deep. They deed them up. They was making good plays. Had it all the way down. They sacked them 4 for 9. Illegal contact. Got the ball on the one.

[A]

Score. They touchdown is 10 to 24. You thinking maybe. I mean, I don't know. I'm thinking possibly. But the defense ain't really doing nothing. And.

[E]

But the down.

[A]

Hey, he got that boy possession. They gave the boy the ball for five carries. He went 50 yards, bro.

[E]

That's when he took over the game.

[A]

Took over the game. Brought to run the ball and you can't stop him from running. That's the. That's. Dude, that is infuriating, dude.

[E]

Yeah, he was getting. They got a holding penalty. Took it, brought him back five and without. Didn't. It didn't matter. It didn't matter.

[A]

It did. It didn't matter. Dude. 12 plays, what, 75, 73 yards, something like that. 31 to 10. And what? And what? And what's your boy going do? What your boy going to do?

[E]

What a. Hold on Minnesota. That's what he did this. But this is what I'm telling you. By this time, my man was battered, beaten and bruised, brother.

[A]

He was getting smashed out there.

[E]

So yeah, he definitely threw the pick over. He tried to throw it. He overled Jefferson. Jefferson running through, letting him too far. Just a bad pass pick.

[A]

Yep.

[E]

And then. And then the. Then the Chargers gave the ball back to More Vidal.

[A]

No question.

[E]

Weren't able to score.

[A]

Weren't. Yeah, but they off about almost. What. At the end of it, they ended up burning off close to. What was it, five, five minutes or so on that. On that next drive, they got. They got a field goal. It was 34 to 10. Yeah.

[E]

30 field go 34 to 10.

[A]

Yeah. Got the ball back, but it's only seven minutes left. I think just over, under seven minutes.

[E]

Turnover on downs.

[A]

Yeah, the game is. The game is really over.

[E]

They pulled. But look after that part. Debo. Yeah. So go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, man.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. They went on ahead and added a little bit more. You on top of it. Put a cherry on top and kicked another field going on them to make it 37. To 10. Yeah.

[E]

And then they took Wentz out.

[A]

Yeah. And then.

[E]

Then the part that kind of. You knew it was over. They didn't even want to get. They didn't even want to get a field goal or nothing. They just let the clock run out.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, it was.

[E]

I was like, dang. They just.

[A]

That was crazy, man. They got some issues. They offense did absolutely terrible, man. 164 total yards. They only had 34 rush. Wentz went 15 for 20. Well, when. Yeah, 15 for 27. 144 yards. He had a touchdown, but, you know, he also had an interception. And they sacked him, what, five, six times. Yeah, man, he was pressured all night, dude. Like, I didn't see him, you know, really have a. A throw that was. With any extra time or. Or significant time to be able to, you know, get the ball to where he wanted to go. And on top of, you know, him already being hurt, I think I would have. I would have took a chance with. With the guy behind him. And then the defense, like, that is not Minnesota defense. Like, I've. I haven't seen them doing like, that bad that consistently for, like, the whole game. No, I haven't seen that at all. Y' all. At Herbert, you know, he didn't really. Well, he did what he had to do. It was only 18 to 25 at 225, but it was three tuddies, three studies.

[E]

It was.

[A]

And then he killed you with the scrambling, though. Scrambling. He had seven for 62. Like, he just killed you with the scrambling at the opportunity, at the opportune times when guys weren't open. He was. He was just making it. And. And V. Dall says, soon, man.

[E]

V. Down soon.

[A]

Here's the crazy thing, bro. Like, he wasn't really doing that much in the first half. I think he was 11 for 24 rushing. Yeah. By the end of the game, my guy was 23 for 117. Because it's not the numbers you used to see in Minnesota. Give up on Russian.

[E]

No, period.

[A]

Defense all together, dude. Like, they're. They're. I don't know what they got to do to fix this, but, I mean, I know what you need to do. You gotta. You gotta protect the quarterback first and then get you. You know, get you a quarterback that can actually do everything that's necessary. Right now, he's not looking like he can do everything that's necessary. I mean, I guess that's the reason. He'd been to, what, six teams in six years? So.

[E]

Yeah, it. It was. It Was. It was bad Debo on for the Vikings perspective? Because I was looking at it, and it was like, one thing. He. He was hurt the first pass of the game, like you said. He threw behind my man. So I'm like, oh, my. It's already looking crazy like that. You can't even throw the swing pass. It looks already off. So that. That one thing. He was under pressure, getting punished, like, getting hit. And his arm was hurting. It looked like his ribs was hurting. By the end of the game, my man was crying out there, and they didn't have.

[A]

Hey, dude.

[E]

He was crying.

[A]

My son was like, literally. Is he on the sideline crying? I'm like, he was crying, Debo.

[E]

I felt bad for him. I was like, oh, my goodness, man. This is the different thing between playing hurt and being injured. I'm like, that's an injured man out there. You get him out, he's going to. He's going to hurt himself.

[A]

That boy. Injured and hurt.

[E]

Injured and hurt. You playing injured and hurt.

[A]

Your.

[E]

Your arm. Your arm is injured, your soul is hurt, your ribs are hurt. You know what I'm saying? But it was just. They didn't have no running game. He didn't have any time. And it just was like, they only had three first downs in, like, the first half. And then going against on the other side, your defense can't stop Nobody. They had 24 first downs. He's running the ball.

[A]

Did they even punt once?

[E]

They didn't punt the whole game, Debo. They didn't punt one time. You know what I'm saying? So they were just continuing the first two touchdown touchdown field goals. They were doing what they wanted. Justin Herbert, I would say, looked amazing. He looked athletic.

[A]

He looked like being able to bounce back. Y' all need. After what the Indianapolis coach did to him over there. Like, that's. That's how you answer something. Yes, that's definitely how you answer. That's definitely how you answer that confidence back. Okay, we had an off game, you know what I'm saying? Or we had, you know, like, it lets you know, like, we aren't what we showed last week. And that's the opportunity you get, you know what I'm saying? When it's a Thursday game, you like, especially if you lose on Sunday, you like, yeah, I want to get back out here and get this off me. Off me for sure.

[E]

And they did. They did that. They did that exactly right. Just being able to run the ball, and he was giving it to everybody. The rookie tight end, Keenan Allen, he was Throwing it around to. Everybody was getting a piece. And if he was handing off, they were running play action. If people, man to man coverage, their back is turned. I'm going to run and get these first downs, like four carries, 44 yards. He was just being very smart. He's not. A couple times. I don't. I don't want him. Josh Allen taking unnecessary hits. Like when he's getting to the joints, like trying to run. Josh Allen. I mean, not Josh Allen. My bad. Justin. Justin Herbert. I don't want him taking unnecessary hits. That's my only thing. When he's running a little bit. Get down, slide. We need you for the long haul. But he was definitely using his legs good. He was the leading rusher until Vidal started giving you totes. And he was. The second half, he was running through holes. He wasn't getting touched until he got into the secondary. So they look like a good team. The Vikings just looked like they couldn't stop a nosebleed. And it didn't help on the offensive side. They couldn't get nothing going. Carson Wentz was getting smacked crazily. I felt bad for the man because, like I said, literally, your son saw it. I saw it. He was on the sideline, literally in tears.

[A]

Like, I tried crying, you know, I tried it. I tried to say he wasn't crying, he was just upset. Like, you know, that's just frustration.

[E]

Your son saw it. I saw it. I think it was actually. It had to be something physical.

[A]

Tear. I can't. I can't. I can't cry on the sideline.

[E]

I'm not talking about you. That wasn't you. That wasn't you on the sideline.

[A]

Listen, man, it don't matter even in when. When I've lost Super Bowls. But I'm not crying, bro. I' ma go to the shower when I get to the hotel and I'm gonna cry in there by myself and ain't nobody gonna know I'm crying.

[E]

See, there you go, Debo. You see you a real one. But look, I cried. I might cry. I might cry. I might cry. I'm crying.

[A]

I can't give you the satisfaction of seeing that live and then pro. I can't. I can't give you that. Especially football game. No, I can't give you that.

[E]

I think back in the day, maybe I definitely would have cried knowing I wouldn't have been a meme. Now I definitely, like, oh, soon as I cry, I know it's a rap.

[A]

He's looking crazy. Yeah, yeah. They get. They Gotta, they gotta figure out what they gonna do over there.

[E]

But they got to.

[A]

We. We got a game Sunday night. Aaron said this is not a revenge game for him. He actually said, you know, that he will end his career in Green Bay. You know, do you, you think this is a revenge game for him or is he giving. He giving lip service?

[E]

I think in his heart of hearts, at the end of the day, being a competitor, being in this place for 18 years, you want to beat where you left. You want. They didn't want you as much. You want them to think like that you weren't worth it. So as not getting clickbait, not trying to make anything bigger of it in the inside. As a man, I think that he feels some type of way you can't spend. I mean as me, I know I would. Spending 18 years in this, in an organization and not leaving the way that you thought that you would, that you would want to. Going against them, you would want to show them that what they missing out on, or at least not you don't want to lose. You know what I'm saying? So I think it gives you a little bit more motivation. But it's not like it's Aaron Rodgers versus them. I love the way he goes about it, not saying like, no, they didn't want me so. But I think at the inside as a competitor, he definitely wants to beat them. Like obviously he wants, he wants to win.

[A]

I'm not, I haven't talked to Aaron. I don't. I haven't spoken to him about this or nothing. But in my heart of hearts, I think he 150,000% want to beat the dog. Not out of them boys. Like he wants to go out there, he wants to win and he wants to outperform the other quarterback in numbers and, and in yards, touchdowns, whatever that is. 100. He wants to do all of that now ending his career. Like everything he said was like, you know, the organization itself, yes, love for the organization, love it. But the guys that's there, the coaches that actually, or the GM that got you up out of there or whatever that may be, you, you, you, you, you feeling some kind of way. Like I'm gonna tell you right now, when I went to New England, bro, and we had that opportunity to play the Steelers and all they had to do was beat Jacksonville and they let Jacksonville go out there and run through them and get stung.

[E]

I was there. I was on, I was on the defensive side.

[A]

I was so upset. I was so upset, dude, because I was going to get me Some more of that Ben Roethlisberger, like, I got.

[E]

No, no.

[A]

Like, I got in college when I sacked him five times at the end of my senior year for the last game. You know what I'm saying?

[E]

Your camera went off, Debo.

[A]

My camera went out. Hold on.

[E]

But no, trust me and believe.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Real talk. Like, you want to be every team in the NFL that you didn't even play for. We want to beat the Ravens. We want to dog them. An organization that you literally play for. You know, people there. You know, you know them. You know them personally. Like, you. They. You've kicked it before. Not like it's a. Like, why wouldn't you want. You don't you want to go there and be like, oh, yeah, this is a game. We want to be the best that we can be. We think that we're the best and we're coming to perform that. Y' all didn't think I was good enough to be there anymore. I want all smoke. I want to win. I want to get y' all out the way. Like, I want to not embarrass y', all, but, like, I want y' all to see, like, y' all didn't think I was good enough. I know it's a big.

[A]

Yo, y' all made the wrong decision.

[E]

Y' all made the wrong decision.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? I mean, at some point in time, everybody know they got to go. You know what I'm saying?

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Respectfully.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Him knowing 18 years there, he's like, I'm going to retire there. Like that. That is kind of like, that's my spot. There's no stuff there, like, being able to know. He knows what it is. I spent. I won a Super bowl there. That's. I spent 18 years. My career. I'm a Hall of fame. Like, they know me. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay. But, like, I'm still. I'm playing now.

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[E]

And I'm trying to go do what I got to do.

[A]

Oh, yeah, no question. But I'm gonna tell you this again. It's still some extra there. If the opportunity was like, I had a crystal ball and they said, hey, you could lose to a team or you could lose to B team. B team is the one that you played for forever, and they got rid of you. A team is just the organization.

[E]

18.

[A]

I'm. No, no, no, no. I'm trying to beat B. I'm trying to beat this thing out of B team, man.

[E]

No, no. I thought you said if you was gonna lose.

[A]

No, if I. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry. I'm tripping. If I' ma lose, I' ma lose. I'm not trying to lose the beat.

[E]

I'm not trying to lose to them people that already. That already that. Let me get that. I played for.

[A]

No, no, I don't. I don't care if it's. I don't care if it's one game. Like, I want that one game. I'll listen. I'll give up two for the one trust, man, depending on the situation. You know what I'm saying?

[E]

Oh, give up two for one is crazy.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[E]

It really.

[A]

It really depends on the situation, man. Yeah, listen, don't forget we are playing the Green Bay packers and all these people out here who want to listen all these people out here who want to say that still is ain't played nobody. We about to play somebody.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's get a preview.

[E]

Green Bay Packers.

[A]

We're about to play a formidable opponent. Okay. That way, once we win, nobody can say anything. And for that reason is why Joe and myself are giving away two tickets to two different. For two different people. So it's a total of four tickets.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

And matter of fact, the winner will be announced tomorrow on ig.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

On ig.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

We gonna keep you. We go keep you waiting a little bit longer. Just a little bit. It's worth the wait. Sunday night, Pittsburgh coming out.

[E]

Gonna happen. Debo.

[A]

What you unanimous victory.

[E]

I know. I know how you think.

[A]

Defense.

[E]

Defense gonna do.

[A]

Defense go do their thing. And Aaron gonna go out there and go, Aaron.

[E]

No, you gonna go crazy.

[A]

Go, Aaron. Respectfully, I ain't gonna lie to you, though. I'm a little maybe concern.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

About Parsons over there, because last week he did kind of go crazy.

[E]

No, he definitely did.

[A]

So I'm hoping he got that out the way you don't feel like going crazy no more.

[E]

I think it's gonna be a real. I can't wait. I can't wait.

[A]

What you saying it like that for. You can't wait? What you mean you can't wait?

[E]

I can't wait for the Steelers to show that they.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[E]

I can't wait for this. For us to show that we the real deal. I'm rocking.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

I'm rocking.

[A]

Okay. Okay. I'm just. I. I'm just, you know, checking my.

[E]

Temperature to see what I.

[A]

Because it kind of, you know. You know, no, iffy sometimes, like, who the Browns playing? Let me. Let me check your 10. Who the Browns playing?

[E]

The Browns playing the Patriots.

[A]

They playing the Patriots? Yeah. Where they at?

[E]

I think they in New England.

[A]

They're in New England. What do you see? Let me see your eyes. Joe. What do you see here, Joe? Who. What.

[E]

What.

[A]

What do you see happening?

[E]

This is. Man, I tell you one thing. If the. If the Browns win this, I would be surprised because the Patriots are looking good. The Patriots are looking like a really good team. Drake.

[A]

So you're saying unanimous defeat? No, no.

[E]

This is what I'm telling you. You ask for my. You ask for my. Do you want my. Do you want my, like, sports.

[A]

Who.

[E]

What do I think, like, sports talk or, like, like literally gonna happen on the field or what do I emotionally want to happen? There's a difference between what I want to happen and what I.

[A]

What do you want to happen, Joe?

[E]

I want the Browns to win. I want the Browns to perform.

[A]

What do you think is going to happen?

[E]

I think the. So I. I think that the Patriots might beat us. Honestly, if you really want to know. I think the Patriots, I hope that because. Just because. Just because I think our offensive attack. I don't know, I want to see what we can do with the run game. I know they're beatable. I hope we beat them. I think we can beat them. But with their running attack, with the way that Drake May is playing, hope.

[A]

And wish and pray. Hope, faith and charity, all that. You know, you got a lot of words that don't equate to a W.

[E]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. When I speak, when I talk about it as a. As a fan, as. As a fan as me wanting my team to win, then that's when it gets real. Like, this gotta happen. But if I just want to talk to like the pitchers when the Browns.

[A]

Play the Steelers, you just want to see a good game and who wins, wins.

[E]

I want to see a good game. I want both of the teams to play at a high level. I just want to see good football and whoever and wherever the chips may fall, they fall.

[A]

I just. I'm having a difficult time with that situation and I think the people are too.

[E]

I understand that. I understand that. But they didn't. But they didn't have a blood sweat until I spent seven years.

[A]

I mean, you kind of talking like somebody I know in Miami.

[E]

I don't see that's what I'm saying. I don't want to start sounding like Coach McDaniel when I'm starting to talk about the Browns.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

That's what. Get the stuttering. Get the moving in my hands. Get to not really. Get to not really saying anything.

[A]

And then what.

[E]

What you think gonna happen Debo? Give me. What do you think is gonna happen with the Browns versus Steelers? I mean the Browns versus the Patriots.

[A]

Patriots all day Patriots. You already know that. Stop it. Who the what The Browns beating the. The Patriots at home. Who they coach Rebel ain't about. He said he have nothing. He said he suit up himself before he lose to. Before he lose to the round. Okay. Unanimous. Unanimous victory by the Patriots. Okay.

[E]

No, I'm. You know what? I'm going. I'm gonna put. I'm going. You know what I'm gonna do this time? Just because I think the. The Browns defense balling elite Jukin balling I just think this is gonna be my, my. This is gonna be the game.

[A]

Unless they hit him, come across the middle, he go short arms.

[E]

This gonna be the game. This is gonna be the game. This is gonna be the game. For real.

[A]

For real.

[E]

That's going to be able to show me a lot about Dylan Gabriel too. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna hold the defense. Defense got the ball. Special teams has the ball. Running game, obviously. Let's get. Make sure we get the ball to jumpers. We're not going to make him have to throw it 50 times. But I need you to throw the ball a little bit downfield. I need some. I need some 200 and some yards with a touchdown and no interceptions, you know what I'm saying? If I can get 220 in a tutty good, you know what I'm saying? First downs, convert on third down. I needed to get. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Great.

[E]

Third down conversions. Keep a couple drives alive. Use your legs, don't be dumb. You know what I'm saying? And if we can beat them with. If Dylan can win this game, then God, they. Okay. Okay. Dylan, I see you, but I don't know, with what I've seen from the previous games, I'm not. I'm not saying that I don't know they can happen, but I hope he could do it.

[A]

Okay. You hoping? I'm hoping. Hoping. Okay, that's good. It's good to have hope, you know what I'm saying?

[E]

Because I want them to do.

[A]

But I mean, but you know, how many games didn't want Two. Huh? Huh? How many?

[E]

Two.

[A]

Two. Okay. Okay. I was just saying. I was just saying, you know, when you start losing games is what have.

[E]

You done for me lately? Last week they bust Miami, so we gonna see Miami. Look, look. Last week the Patriots beat Tennessee. So both of them had. So both of them can say, okay, you can only be who you play.

[A]

Miami. Miami. Look, Tennessee would beat Miami. Miami can't get. Get nothing together.

[E]

We gonna see like you be who you play.

[A]

Start losing like that, you start losing things. Ask the Ravens. The Ravens, they lost their ping pong table in their locker room. That's what happened.

[E]

That's what happened. Yeah.

[A]

You ever had something taken away in the locker room?

[E]

Start losing privileges, start losing privileges, start.

[A]

Losing all your little games that might be in there? You know what? I never liked having like little games and pool table, all that stuff in the locker room because it has a. It adds distraction to why you there like you Here to work. Even though it is a job that you enjoy, you like to be there.

[D]

You.

[A]

You. You're here to work. I don't need nothing distracting me from being able to get out the field in time. You know what I'm saying? It just.

[E]

It just.

[A]

It just don't make no sense.

[E]

Yeah, I was never. I was never really a game guy. Sometimes we would play cards, like, just to blow the time through.

[A]

But listen, listen. Your boy. Your boy said. He said my braces say the word morale. Thank you. Hasn't dropped. We still feel we can make magic. They. They got to make magic. That's. You got to make magic. I thought all you need to do is just play at the level that y' all had been playing at before this year, and that would. You know, that would be enough. They talking about magic. I understand. They talking. Why they talking about magic? Like, what is it, Day one and five? Something like that?

[E]

Yeah, something like that.

[A]

Something like that. How many teams done made the playoffs? That. That was one and five, dude. What is it? Four or five teams? I think that. That made the playoffs. That started. Started one in five. And you over here with the Pittsburgh Stillers. You over here with the Pittsburgh Steelers, who you gotta see two times. He talking about they got to play every game like it's a. It's an elimination game. We ain't. We ain't losing to no Ravens. No, no, not twice.

[E]

They gotta get that Magic back. When is Lamar coming back?

[A]

They say Lamar is supposed to be coming back this week, but if that's what they say, man, that's what they say. I need Lamar to go out there and do his thing. Okay. But I might need him to have a little setback before you see us. That's all I'm asking.

[E]

Oh, man, Debo. Damn.

[A]

I'm just. I'm not. And I. I ain't asking. I. I mean, I ain't wishing nothing bad on nobody. You know what I'm saying?

[E]

No, no, never do.

[A]

Never. But, I mean, I think the last time we seen them, they. They put some numbers up. That was not. I didn't like those numbers. Wasn't it like, close to, like, 300, like, Russian, something like that?

[E]

I think so, yeah. I. I don't.

[A]

Hey, y'. All. Y' all want the Magic back? Go down to the Magic Kingdom and Disney. Y' all go there.

[E]

Like, they gotta start. They. They. They gotta just. They gotta. I. I'm not. I'm not believing in the. In the Ravens this year. You know, they. The defense still like at the end of the day, Lamar's out, the offense isn't doing what they gotta do. But your defense is not playing well. So we talking about the Magic back. It's everybody gotta do their 1 11th, everybody got to do their job. There's people running open, there's people running through the defense. So that's not going to change in one week, you know what I'm saying? I don't think. And then when your offense gets back, when Lamar gets back, he gonna have to take time. He's not gonna take him time to get back into his groove, I don't think. But your team, I mean even when.

[A]

You had, still couldn't win because the deal.

[E]

That's what I'm saying. So if nothing, if you like Magic.

[A]

Man, you need a miracle.

[E]

You got, man, something got to change. So I mean they'll do. They know, they know it. Looking at the tape, they got to perform better. So it's accountability. So it's really just the dudes, like you said, they have the, they have the players to do it. So they got to start playing better or they gonna be looking still crazy. And I don't think that the magic is doing your job, everybody, you know what I'm saying? Consistently, like making the routine plays routinely. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like every play is not made for you. You setting your teammate up to do it and just the normal things. When you do that normally, then it's going to look magic, you know what I'm saying? Like there's nothing extra that you got to go do outside of yourself, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah, it's nothing magical. Just do your job better than the person you're going against. Like when you're one on ones and everything else should take care of yourself, Debo.

[E]

It's a lot simpler, you know what I'm saying? When you really put it into perspective, like when you go in that film room and you really sitting there with your coaches and you're really breaking down the tape. You can see each play like, oh no, he lost his one on one right here. He was blocked out of the way. That's what made you know what I'm saying, this play open. That's why this hole is this big, you know what I'm saying? It's not nobody's fault back here in the secondary. This fault right here was on his defensive tackle that should have been there. Normally you stay right there, he's going to jump over to the next gap and then if that gap is not contained. That's on that man where he should be in his spot. Like, it's not as hard as people try to make things. It's not a magic thing. It's like, no. Was all 11 people doing their job on this play. Y won this play. Next play was everybody.

[A]

Especially when you start losing, you have guys trying to do extra. Like, I'm. I'm gonna do what I need to do and mine. And then you go and you think you got yours secured, you go and try and help your partner. Now all of a sudden, that running back. Back door to that spot, you was at simpler, you know what I'm saying? And now. Now you're looking like, oh, man. Like, yeah, just do your job and everything else will fall in this place, man.

[E]

Take care of your kitchen.

[A]

Yo, Brandon Graham, he back. He back. Finish. Said he gonna see what shape he in to see, you know, how much he gonna use and where he go, go from there. Hey, you ever had any teams that tried to get you to come back out of retirement, bro?

[E]

Man, no. Debo. No, no, no. Because I told my agent I'm done. And when I. I respect the game too much.

[A]

Dude, the fans is asking for you right now in Cleveland, brother.

[E]

I'm telling you this right now. I respect the game too much. And just my hips and the surgeries I had, like, I just don't feel physically like I could do what I needed to do, like running, breaking, like, doing that consistently like that. When I was in the league, bro, that stuff I was doing, like, with the maintaining my body, I was getting the dry needles, I was doing all this stuff every single day. Like, watching what I ate, working out. You know what I'm saying? Because I took it really seriously. Because, like, after year, once I was in the joint, year six and seven, I started getting a little older. And it was. Wasn't just as easy to get up every day. You go to the practices, you do the stuff, the wear and tear, the grind of the game. And nobody, Nobody's getting older out there. These dudes are getting younger. There's new draft picks coming in every single year. Alabama, Florida, Miami. They're coming in hungry, ready to take your spot, and they're athletic. They're not getting any less more athletic. These dudes are running faster, they're jumping higher, and they're really, really good. So I would be a disservice. I would be disrespecting the game thinking, like, I can just come off the couch after two years of just chilling not doing nothing. I know my groins are tight. I can't really dunk or vert. Like, I used to like just being able to stand in the room, jump and dunk. That's when I'm okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Bet I can do things that other just normal people aren't doing at my size and stature because I'm a professional athlete right now. No, I can't do that out there with Jamar Chase. You telling me, guard a man to man, he's going to prop me up. I'm going to look nuts out there like, no, sir. So I think for me, it's more respect for the game, telling my agent, look, man, I'm out of here, and I don't want to go out there and be looking like, you don't want to get embarrassed. I don't want to go out there getting embarrassed like this. Damn. What would you doing out there looking crazy? Getting toasted. I want the people to remember the last time I was out there playing.

[A]

That's the guy that go out there, he get toasted and all that other stuff. And you talk. You talk trash to him. And he'd be like, I make more money than you, though. That's all you can go.

[E]

That's all he can throw at you. I'm making more money than you, though. I'm like, this. Now he. Now you out here stealing. You just out here.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[E]

You don't even mean it. You know, they're not trying to get in there. I wanted to remember, like, I'm going to go hard. I want to throw myself in there. I want to make these tackles. I don't want to be nervous in the open field when I see Derrick Henry, because when I played, I wasn't scared. I'm like, no, I'm about to come down chop this tree. I'm about to come take his legs out. You know what I'm saying? So now, if I was thinking out there now, I'd be like, oh, I'm running up looking crazy. I'm like, am I about to get juked him out to get ran over? Like, no, I'm not.

[A]

So how you think, how you think, how you think, Brandon, go?

[E]

Do I think people are different? I think, like, like, like even you, Debo, how you said, continue to take care of your body. If he feels good, if he can take that wear and tear, if he can get to that position where I just don't want him to go. If he goes out there and. And he's like, man, like, this is just a little bit too much. Like, I just don't. I just know for my body wise, if he was able to take care of his body, be in a position to get out there and really make plays, all more pressure to him, more love to him. I remember. What's the safety? The safety that played for the Chargers, My man, he had the Eric Guttle, Eric Weddle. He was on the crib for a minute and then he was able to come back and ball out. I'm like, man, great for you. He must have been taking care of his body. I, I can see players that could do it. I just know myself personally. Heck no.

[A]

It ain't happening. It ain't happening. Listen, I totally 100% understand what you're saying. It's like, people be like, man, you could come back. Nah, I tell them looks.

[E]

Looks can be the same.

[A]

Yes. I tell them I'm just going for.

[E]

The look, man, you look like you could play. I tell them look can be deceiving.

[A]

That's it. That's the only thing I'm going for now, baby, is the look.

[E]

So I'm going to look. I could look good for show, but like running, jumping, tackling, getting up to full speed right now, like, take off.

[A]

I had the all out sprint. I am tearing something off, brother.

[E]

Hammy's going to blow off the bone.

[A]

I can't even imagine it. That's bad. That's bad. Roger Goodell said he is exploring how AI could improve officiating. You like that idea? I love that idea.

[E]

I do too.

[A]

If y', all, I want you to get everything straight, get everything correct, get it right. Like, so that is. No. Oh, well. If this had got caught, if this hadn't got called, so on and so forth, like, it's a easier way to do all this to get. Make sure you get everything a hundred percent correct. That's like baseball. They don't want to use the, the strike thing. Like, it's right there. All you got to do is like, it's gonna be pop. They hit you and say strike. You're like, all right, strike. But some of them dudes be so far off calling strikes. You like, dude, like, if he had an opportunity to get another swing or two at that, the whole game changes.

[E]

Yeah, no, for sure. They're leaving room for a human error. I think some of the stuff, like, I want to see how they would do, like holding calls, stuff like that. I think like line calls. Like, is that a first down? Did they score? Were their feet in? Did they go out of bounds? Those things like the tennis ball? Like that stuff is like you can see if you got a chip on the ball, you know that they passed the line. Did they pass the first down line or not? I just would look at like some of the holding calls, some of the stuff that's kind of like decision wise. I don't know how AI can kind of do that, but I know for like lines, first downs, did they score toes in, stuff like that.

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[E]

It makes perfect sense because they're direct. It's like, there's no point of like, nah. Did he do that? No. The ball. They could tell as soon as the elbow went down. I think AI did so much more specific, like, matter of fact, like, this is exactly what it is.

[A]

Yeah. Also something that that happened when I went to New England is scout your refs. People don't a lot, a lot of teams don't, don't, don't scout their Reflection. You're smart to me. When I got there, I'm like, why have we never, you know, we have never done this like you. They scout the rest. If this a ref that calls a lot of holding clauses. This is a ref that caused a lot of, you know, PI calls. What calls do he make and what calls don't he make? So that gives you the opportunity to be like, yo, I could be a little handsier today than. Than before versus. Oh, this ref right here, he's going to call. He's going to call everything. It don't matter if it's a little tug, a big tug. He's a guy, he's going to call it by the book. Straight down the line. And that was something. I was like, oh, for real. They was like, yo, so this ref right here, he ain't calling holding. He don't call holding. Yeah. So unless you get tackled, you're not going to get a hold. You better do everything you can to get off. Off of this lineman off this line. Yeah.

[E]

Because nothing's going to happen. He's not going to call the hold it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

No, for sure. I remember. I think, yeah, I remember. I forgot when. Which team, but I remember they would come in and let us know what crew we had and where they ranked in crews and holdings. What call, like, what calls. I'm like, that's one of the smartest things I've seen. Because they're like, joe, you better not touch these dudes. These, they call defensive pass interference, like, real high. So they're gonna be real, real. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, this. Damn, that's crazy. Appreciate it.

[A]

Yeah, that's something that I, That I never, I never even thought about. Like. And when I got there, it's like, yeah, the officials for this game is going to be, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hey, this is a dude I ain't gonna call holding. This is the dude that's gonna call holding. This is a dude that, hey, you could back off a little more off the line as a tackle because he's going to be more lenient on that, you know, off the ball stuff than. Than the other guy. Like, the other dude is like, yo, if your waist. If your head ain't breaking that center's waist, he. Is he popping you? You know what I'm saying? Like, and it's stuff like that that I. I don't think a lot of teams think about, dude. Like. Like, it just. It just didn't. Like, it didn't make any sense not to do it, Especially once I got there and I'm looking at it, I'm like, yo, why we never do this in Pittsburgh? Like. Like, we could have had all kinds of little different advantages. Like, okay, I know this dude ain't gonna call holding, so don't let me get too tight in on this, you know, on this. On this tackle, because he's not gonna call the arm around the neck. He's just going to let that go, you know?

[E]

Yeah, no, for sure, right?

[A]

But we go. We gonna slide over here to the. To the NBA, man. The NBA has a gambling scandal going on. Some vicious. Vicious. I like the jacket, y'.

[E]

All Vicious.

[A]

Yo, they said, what was it? Six years ago, your boy Chauncey Billups had a poker scheme. Popping, manipulating, shuffling machines. X ray table, bruh. Like, he. He had it all going. All going. They said. They said they actually got text. This is all allegedly. Okay. Allegedly.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

It's allegedly, yes. They got all this. Allegedly, okay. I don't. It's allegedly. I'm just gonna say allegedly, okay? Allegedly. They have text. They got paper trail texting back and forth, talking about, hey, you winning too much, you need to lose some. We go get. We go get caught. You know what I'm saying? They saying $7 million over six years. $7 million, bruh. If I ever play any type of gambling poker with you, bro, you go give me every penny back. Jail time ain't what you gonna have to worry about, bro. Like, jail time gonna be the. The easiest thing that you go do, like, out of jail. $7 million, bruh.

[E]

Debo. So there's a lot of different things on this joint was. So they got, like, Rozier and they got Billups with doing, like, the. Setting up the cars, setting up the decks, having people like Fish like him and a couple of dudes that they know, and then bringing in another guy that doesn't know what's going on and fleecing them for their money. So that was the part where it was like they had the cards and the decks and the. And the dealers were in it. So my thing is, people gamble all of the time, and I'm not with the gambling. Like, if you're in the NFL, like, you know how they are. They always do those NFL meetings about telling us that you can't gamble, you can't gamble. All that's like. It's. It's a big no, no in the league. They let you know that my. My thing is playing in the NFL and being a player. We know that you can gambling, like, it's a job that you do where you make the money. So with NBA, I'm looking at them where, like these, these parlays, these like where it's like the unders. And that's what they said. Like, Terry Roger was like, they said.

[A]

He, he went on here, pulled himself out. I'm going to fake an injury under nine or over 10 minutes into the game to get the under. And they put like, I guess like 250 on it.

[E]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, man.

[A]

Allegedly.

[E]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[A]

Allegedly.

[E]

My thing is this, though, Debo is with that part, though. At the end of the day, you're making a. You're, you're in NFL or you're in the NBA, you're a professional player. You know that that's the most frowned upon, illegal thing that you can possibly do. Correct?

[A]

Now hold up now, listen now, allegedly, it was also backed by the Mafia. I'm talking about all the families. What is the Bambino, the Gambino, the Luchesi. Like, dude, you talking.

[E]

That. That's scary. That's scary. That's scary. There's this, this whole case has whole different. A lot of different levels to it. Because when we talking about the, the, the. The Mafia, that's something that, like when we talk about just gambling and dudes like gambling and betting on games, this is like Damon Jones was a, was a, was an NBA, was an NBA coach and NBA player. Terry Rozier is an active player. Chauncey Billups is the head coach for the Portland Trail Blazers. When we talk about the legitimacy of.

[A]

The game, ain't he in the hall of Fame, bro?

[E]

Yes, he got inducted to the Hall.

[A]

They go strip him. What's going on with that?

[E]

I don't know if they're going to strip him.

[A]

Pete Rose, now Pete Rose couldn't get in because of this.

[E]

I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot going on. They gonna have to do some digging. I know. And the other part is too, you.

[A]

Make all that money and you scamming people, dude.

[E]

That's, that's. That, that's the part that I'm saying too. It's not like. It's not like you're having a real, like, people, people in the league, there's always having poker games. People are betting, people are having a good time. That's what people like to do. Like on the planes, we would play dice, play cards. The thing is, when you start loading dice, when you start cheating people, that's. There's no chance for Them to win. It's not an actual real gamble. It's. It's a. It's a theme. You're stealing. You.

[A]

You're.

[E]

You're stealing from people.

[A]

But real talk, I ain't never played no type of nothing with NBA players. Dude, them boys start off way too high, Debo.

[E]

I. I have.

[A]

Bruh.

[E]

I have.

[A]

You.

[E]

I had.

[A]

Joe, you tripping.

[E]

I have.

[A]

You got paper like that. Joe, I can't.

[E]

I'm.

[A]

$20. 20. Annie, man.

[E]

Hey, See, no, that's it. I'm not. This is the thing too. I'm not. I'm not saying I don't. I don't do it. I don't do it any. And sometimes we. I used to. I used to game. I used to get. I would be involved in the games. Not. Yeah, some of them would get crazy. But it's like I. I can't. I know when to stop. I know when the.

[A]

Hey, hey, hey. You lost some money to. To your boy Chauncey?

[E]

No.

[A]

Looking for him right now.

[E]

Right now.

[A]

Hey, hey. You lost about three.

[E]

About.

[A]

About three. Three big ones.

[E]

There's. There's certain. There, see, that's what I'm saying. And there's certain private games that I would know when they're playing for more than I'm willing to play for. So there's a situation where you be in the spot and I'm like this. Oh, you can see them playing cards, brother. I was in the spot. I went to Portland, Oregon for my Jordan trip three a month ago, and he's the coach for the Trailblazers. We were at the same spot. I had to watching the game when the Pacers. It was like game something. I think the Pacers was playing the Thunder. It was a playoff game. We were under there chilling and they were playing cards. Chauncey was down there underneath the little spot robbing niggas.

[A]

Robbing.

[E]

Allegedly.

[A]

Allegedly.

[E]

Allegedly. This is the thing, though. Allegedly. I think the part. The parties were at spots where they would do like, they would have cameras and situations set up. I don't think he was doing it every game. Not every time. You're just going to go play. Getting everybody. It's legitimately allegedly set up events where they're doing it. But did I. If he's. That's. That's. That's theft. That's stealing sometimes. But at the end of the day too, Debo, when you saying people are the people that bet a hundred dollars.

[A]

That's too much. That's too much.

[E]

I'm just saying but you saying that's too much. But I'm letting you know, Americans will bet $100. They'll bet $100. They'll bet 100 dollars and only have a thousand dollars to their account. That's 10% of their net worth in their account. And that's just what normal do. You saying that's not okay. But, you know, that's what a lot of people would do. Say when you get to the league and people are making a lot more money. So that's why it's not as hard. But it sounds crazy.

[A]

Listen, you making a whole bunch of paper. You don't need to be betting on nothing. Let everybody else do that so they can go ahead, get. They come up, man, do what it is that they want to do.

[E]

This is the part I'm saying, though.

[A]

But let's get to this right here. We still in the. In what. What is NCAA basketball? We gonna go to. We gonna stick with basketball since. Since we there. Jared Shaw. They said this boy could face the death penalty in Indonesia for edible. Yeah, cannabis edible, bruh.

[E]

Does he have cancer?

[A]

You in Indonesia, they don't care nothing about that. I know they don't care, Nathan, about that, bro. I know. Zero tolerance. This is the thing, man. This is the thing. Like, when you're going over here to these. These foreign countries, like. Like, you need to know what their rules are, dude. Yeah, don't go over to these four countries playing around. That you could do there. What you do in America, it ain't the same, dude. No, they have way worse penalties. Like, you steal something somewhere, you get your hand cut off. Here, they say, oh, just let them go. Don't stop them. You don't want to. Just let it. Let it know you get your hand. And now you have the possibility of losing your life over some. And here's the crazy thing, dude. Like, it's. It's Delta 9. Like, only reason I know about Delta 9, I accidentally found out about Delta 9. Okay? Delta 9 is. Is a compound, bruh, that I guess is like in the. The. The THC or something. So basically, look, bruh, that's what gets you high. Okay? Delta 9 is what gets you high. But they sell it as, like, CBD. So it says CBD, and it won't say without THC, but it won't say with THC. But on the back it had that Delta 9. So this is what happened. I take CBD, right? So I take real CBD. So somebody gave me something. I'm gonna change the names and Everything else to protect the innocent or the guilty. I'm. It's the guilty. I'm protected. But I don't want to put them out there. I don't want to put nobody out there. I ain't gonna do it. Ain't gonna do it, but I'm. Put you out there a little bit. Okay? So they give me this CBD gummies. Okay, cool, right? So I go and I start popping a couple CBD gummies. I'm thinking the CBD, but it got Delta. The Delta 9. I ate, like, eight of them, bro.

[E]

Oh, my goodness. How many milligrams do you know?

[A]

It was 25 milligrams. Supposed to be CBD, but it didn't. I didn't know what Delta 9 was, bro.

[E]

Eight at 25 milligrams, bruh.

[A]

Listen.

[E]

200 milligram gummies.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I. I swore to God, if he let me live, I was never taking another CBD, Gummy.

[E]

Oh, my goodness. I could. I know.

[A]

200 million, and I did not. Oh, my gosh. I was so mad.

[E]

That's out of body experience. Are you. Were you okay? Did you trip out?

[A]

Listen, man, I was so gone, bruh. I was just like, Lord. I was like, lord Jesus, please just let me.

[E]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I'll never do this again. In life. In life. That's when I found out what. What Delta 9 were. They got a Delta 8, too. I guess it ain't worse as 9, but I ain't messing with no Delta nothing no more. Like, it's just not happening. Easy thing to do is look up the rules and laws for the country you're going to so you can make sure you ain't breaking none of their rules or laws, and you won't have to end up in jail fighting for your life. Like, Brittney Grinder was like, I think.

[E]

He out there playing for them in the Indonesian League. And like you said, though, it's not America. And, like, I know. Yeah. They said he had you spit on the ground. They do, really? Yeah. That's what I'm saying, bro. Like, people think, like, oh, no, they can't do that to me. It's like, no, no, no.

[A]

Yeah, they can.

[E]

They're in it. You're in America, you get treated. You don't understand. Like, people are really, really, really in this world living completely different lives where, hey, women, like, can't show their hairs.

[A]

If people say, we got it so bad. Believe me, it's some things in this country that are bad. But, dude, it is way worse. Things in under countries that you can get far worse penalties for that aren't nowhere near as bad that you do here that they won't even blink an eye at. Like. So I'm. I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to go nowhere, baby. Like, I ain't trying to come.

[E]

No for sure. I'm bullying.

[A]

Hey, man, what's. What's the. Like, what country have you been to where you just. You couldn't even communicate because you didn't speak their language and they didn't. They didn't have much English to see.

[E]

This is what I'm saying. I'm not really going nowhere, Debo. Where they. That I'm not having nobody help me out or I'm just lost for this in the sauce. Like.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[E]

No, I'm not feeling comfortable. I'm not going anywhere. I don't feel comfortable and I don't feel safe. So, like, I'm going. Like, I'm going to. I'm going to Mexico. I've been to Dubai. I love Dubai. I did Italy, we did Rome, Florence. Dubai was so cool too. Because it's safe, it's clean. Because they know you don't trip out, you don't do nothing stupid. Nobody gonna do nothing stupid, right. There are consequences. So people just live very nicely. Like, they're chilling. They know, like, it's clean, it's not dirty because it's like this. I'm not going to come out here doing nothing crazy. Like, y' all don't want weed. Bet won't smoke if you want. The only place you can have alcohol is in hotels. And that's where they had a clubs on like the rooftops or like the bottom of the hotels. That's the only place. If you're outside, you're not walking around just but containers, drinking. But if you're at a hotel, you can drink. It's like you're America. When you walk into the hotel, everybody's chilling. You know what I'm saying? But just don't, okay. Acting crazy. I'm like this. I like this. But not even.

[A]

It ain't even crazy, though.

[E]

Just be normal. Just be normal.

[A]

Yes. Don't do nothing. Don't be up here trying to get a view for doing something funny that just. No, don't do that.

[E]

And get locked up for being distorted. Why are you being disorderly? Like, I'm like this. I don't like being disorderly. I like chill. I like. Hey, how you doing? Okay, good. Boom, boom, boom. Walking around, just being a Normal human, you know what I'm saying? Respecting everybody else. And they're gonna respect you, treat people the way you wanna be treated. And that's kind of how I like the vibe. So I think some of the places like. And then just with the things. If they don't accept the drugs, they don't play. So why are you trying to. If you sneaking in, you got some stuff they're not playing about that. So that's something that you just don't do when you go across. So like, I think just more the normal that you acting like, just knowing. Like you said, they don't. It's not just America. They're not gonna slap you on the wrist, take your little drugs. They might chop your hand off. They might.

[A]

Hey. Yes. Kill you. They might. They might.

[E]

They might shoot you.

[A]

No, none of that. Listen, Google. Google it. Google will help you.

[E]

Google.

[A]

If you can go to jail for anything, wherever you go, Google.

[E]

Google will help you check out everything.

[A]

It is that you want to do, where you go do it at, and make sure you ain't go lose your freedom or your life over it.

[E]

Debo, tell the people what they got to do, man, to get these tickets to that game.

[A]

Hey, listen, I got one more thing, though, man. I'm hoping we got this picture, man. It was. It was a woman in Florida that claimed she was Eminem's wife after trying to get out of paying the bill. Do we got the picture, man? Please, please show me the picture. If you. If y' all think this is. This is possibly Eminem's wife, please. Can. Can you. You got the picture? Please tell me y' all got a picture.

[E]

Do they got the Eminem's shorties?

[A]

Hey, they ain't got the pictures, man. Put it in the clip later, man. Y' all gotta put in the clip, man. But I'm just gonna say, I don't think that was his wife. I'm. I'm almost 100. Sure. Did you see it?

[E]

I didn't see it, bruh.

[A]

Hey. Oh, yeah. Oh, super, super, super duper. Hey, we're gonna circle back on that, though, for real.

[E]

Oh, no, for sure.

[A]

But look here, man. Don't forget, guys. Follow me. Follow Joe, like. And subscribe to Debo and Joe for your opportunity tomorrow. Tomorrow to win one of two sets of two tickets to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers put their work in. All right?

[E]

Yes, sir.

[A]

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[E]

Good word Debo. Make sure you like and subscribe to the show. Check out me and Deebo and we gonna be here next Monday with the results of hopefully that still is whooping the packers.

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