Deebo & Joe - Shedeur gets Browns WK 13 start, Ja'Marr Chase apologizes + 49ers-Panthers REACTION

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: "Deebo & Joe – Shedeur gets Browns WK 13 start, Ja'Marr Chase apologizes + 49ers–Panthers REACTION"

Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden
Podcast: Club Shay Shay

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Episode Overview

In this post-Thanksgiving episode of Deebo and Joe, NFL legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden break down the 49ers vs. Panthers game, debate Ja'Marr Chase's public apology for his on-field actions, give their thoughts on Shedeur Sanders starting for the Browns, and dive deep into the woes of the Pittsburgh Steelers. The episode blends meticulous football analysis with barbershop-style banter, honest critique, and plenty of laughs about NFL controversies—from unsportsmanlike conduct to coaching shenanigans and wild viral moments.

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49ers vs. Panthers Game Breakdown

Timestamps: 01:39 – 18:10

Key Discussion Points

• 49ers' First Drive Dominance
  • Christian McCaffrey had a huge opening, carrying the offense early with 8–9 touches on the first drive.
  • Brock Purdy stayed "on schedule" with short passes.
  • "[McCaffrey] got it in the first drive ... Solid." — Deebo (02:53)
• Carolina's Missed Opportunities
  • Panthers got to first-and-goal at the 1-yard line, but Bryce Young threw a pick instead of running it in.
  • "He could have walked it into the end zone ... you just threw a damn pick." — Joe (05:48)
• Defensive Standouts
  • J.C. Horn's outstanding play, including a "masterclass" interception in zone coverage.
  • "This right here, Deebo, was a masterclass in playing cornerback." — Joe (08:54)
• Purdy’s Turnover Woes
  • Purdy struggled, tossing three interceptions (including two to Horn), putting pressure on the 49ers’ defense to bail him out.
  • "Purdy, yo, he gotta clean up what he's doing, bro … He could have thrown a smooth five picks." — Joe (18:04)
• McCaffrey Impressive Throughout
  • Nearly 90 yards rushing, 53 receiving.
• Carolina’s Aggression, but Execution Lacking
  • The Panthers ran hard, used Hubbard and McMillan, but couldn't finish drives.
  • Play-calling and execution failures highlighted, e.g. failed 2-point conversions, penalties, and critical holding calls.

Notable Quotes

• On defensive play:
  "That play right there, I was like, man, this dude is not only a man making the play on the bang, a pick, undercutting ... now you're just playing ... this is zone now. This is when I can use my eyes." – Joe (09:00)
• On turnovers: "If [Purdy] playing against stiffer competition that got a better offense, this is not going to turn out like this." — Deebo (18:10)

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Ja'Marr Chase's Apology – Spitting Incident

Timestamps: 28:34 – 33:02

Key Discussion Points

• Chase’s Written Apology
  • Ja’Marr Chase issued a public apology after spitting on Jalen Ramsey.
  • The hosts agree the apology was "almost perfect," but notably omitted a direct apology to Ramsey.
  • "You apologizing to fans, people that wear your jersey ... but not the person you actually spit on." — Joe (31:08)
• Accountability & Integrity
  • Both Deebo and Joe stress that leadership means owning up directly to those wronged, not just the public.
  • "There's no scenario where you should be spitting on anybody." — Joe (32:37)

Notable Quotes

• "Sometimes things not said are more important than things said." – Co-host Joe (33:02)
• "That was eloquently written ... he said apologize to everybody but the main person you spit on." — Joe (31:08)

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Shedeur Sanders Named Browns’ Week 13 Starter

Timestamps: 33:16 – 37:28

Key Discussion Points

• Shedeur Takes the Reins
  • Dylan Gabriel cleared concussion protocol, but Browns will stick with Shedeur after his solid performance in previous start.
  • Both hosts are excited for Shedeur’s growth and believe he should get a "fair shot."
• Who Made the Decision?
  • Debate whether head coach Kevin Stefanski made the decision or if it came from higher up (“above his head”).
  • "If he had to pick, I think he would have had Dylan Gabriel probably start. Just me personally ... But you can't go in there and start Dylan Gabriel once he comes out of the protocol." — Joe (36:28)
• Advice for Shedeur
  • Deebo and Joe want Shedeur to stay focused, rely on the defense, and ignore outside noise.

Notable Quotes

• "If you're balling, you're balling. But I just want to let him know, like, we got your back ... don't give haters reasons to be ... on your neck." — Joe (35:28)
• On the politics behind QB starts:
  "That was not his decision alone ... You go in there and tell these dudes that Dylan is starting, they're not going to be happy about this." – Co-host Joe (37:28)

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NFL and Coaching Controversies

Timestamps: 38:38 – 46:23

Key Segments & Moments

• High School Coach Shoves QB (38:38)

  • Viral incident discussed where a coach shoves an opposing quarterback. Both hosts appalled at the lack of accountability and say it sets a terrible example for young athletes.
  • "You're a grown man, you just put your hands ... why are you doing that? Are you out of your mind?" – Joe (40:01)

• Viral 911 "Terrorist" Prank on Eagles OC (42:08)

  • Biased Philly fan's prank call to report OC Kevin Patullo as a "terrorist." Hosts warn about the dangers and stupidity of social media stunts.
  • "You playing with 911 for ... for life." — Joe (45:17)

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Defensive Player of the Week

Timestamps: 46:42 – 48:04

• Miles Garrett (Cleveland Browns)
  • Chosen unanimously.
  • "Miles Garrett, generational talent ... 18 sacks right now. Three sacks in the last game. Two forced fumbles." – Joe (47:06)
• Honorable Mention: Will Anderson (Houston Texans)

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Steelers’ Season: Hope & Harsh Realities

Timestamps: 48:46 – 62:15

Key Discussion Points

• Steelers Defensive Woes
  • Hosts highlight historically bad Steelers’ defensive stats (worst since 1988).
  • "23.9 points allowed per game, 368 yards per game, ranked 28th in the NFL ... worst total defense ranking in franchise history." – Joe, reading ChatGPT stats (50:44)
• Playoff Hopes
  • Both hosts worried about a tough final stretch (Buffalo, Baltimore, Detroit, Miami, Cleveland).
  • Deebo: "I'm hoping we can get to 500 because that way at least Mike (Tomlin) can save a few jobs ..." (54:08)
• Passion & Frustration
  • Mix of tough love and honest support for the Steelers.
  • "Just thinking about it making you mad." – Joe (62:08)

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Closing and Upcoming Games

Timestamps: 64:10 – End

• Ticket Giveaway
  • Two sets of tickets for fans to attend upcoming Steelers vs. Bills game in Pittsburgh.
• Thanksgiving Games Preview
  • Brief outlook on the matchups: Green Bay vs. Detroit, Kansas City vs. Dallas, Cincinnati vs. Baltimore.
  • "I'm hoping Cincinnati could beat Baltimore. I'm praying ... but their defense can't stop a nosebleed." – Co-host Joe (64:36)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On McCaffrey: "It’s like, get the ball to your best player ... he's going to make something happen for us." – Joe (18:15)
• On Ja'Marr Chase's Apology: "He apologized to everybody but the main person you spit on." — Joe (31:08)
• On Steelers D: "This is the worst Steelers defense we've had since 1988." – Deebo (49:23)
• On Coaches’ Responsibilities: "You're supposed to be leaders of men and trying to teach these dudes how to be the best representation of themselves ... and you out here looking crazy." – Joe (41:30)

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Tone & Style

Laid-back, irreverent, and candid—Deebo and Joe’s locker room chemistry shines through as they mix in deep football insights with fast-paced, real-talk commentary, fan frustration, and playful “you heard it here first”-style predictions. The episode is easy to follow for casual fans, but offers plenty of technical breakdowns and authentic personality for diehards.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
You’ll get up-to-speed on the week’s most important NFL stories, enjoy candid takes on football culture, and see two defensive legends chop it up with honest analysis, good humor, and zero sugarcoating.

Transcript

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[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and.

[Co-host Joe]

I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

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[Joe Hayden]

Doing great, brother Deebo. Doing great. You know, another day on the set talking to my good man speaking this football. You know how we do.

[Co-host Joe]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You know what? Before we get started with the football.

[Joe Hayden]

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[Co-host Joe]

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[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

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[Joe Hayden]

Yes, we did.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Last night, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

That's my fault. That's my part for questioning you. That's my bad for questioning you.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Questioning.

[Joe Hayden]

I was worried about Kittle. He got it done.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I down there had to, like, strain you up so you ain't playing on your boy.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm riding with you now, Debo. I'm riding with you for sure.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Well, we took 25 and made 275.

[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

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[Joe Hayden]

My man. Your man Christian McCaffrey got it in the first drive, so. Hey, that Was solid.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Solid.

[Co-host Joe]

Dude, 49ers get out there and like you said, man, the first five plays is McCaffrey. He get a run in three. I think it was a, a catch for, for another, another three.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That was a nice tackle by what's his name, what the dude name is.

[Co-host Joe]

Which one?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Moraine, Something like that.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, dude, Merrick. That was it. Merrick.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Third down, he got 10.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, they was giving him the ball every. He had eight touches in the first drive, dude.

[Co-host Joe]

I think he had nine.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean they was.

[Co-host Joe]

I think he had nine in the fourth drive, dude. Nine of the 15, I believe was, was all. Was. Was touched. The ball was touched by him, you know.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And actually on that third and 10.

[Co-host Joe]

Merrick, he was just trying to disguise too hard. If he had stayed closer, he could have, he could have stopped him on that, man. They end up driving down the field. I think Purdy, birdie, Purdy. He went like 6, 6, 7.

[Joe Hayden]

He was a lot of dump downs, a lot of checks, a lot of.

[Co-host Joe]

Checks, a lot of dump downs.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

They was just staying on time, dude.

[Co-host Joe]

They was really staying ahead of the clock. They were staying on time. They get down there and Purdy, I think he hit Jenny's for 12, 12 yard tackle.

[Joe Hayden]

That's when he broke all them tackles. And that was the one play Horn and them, they was trying to punch the ball out and they was being a little too worried about that and let the man break the tackles.

[Co-host Joe]

In school you gotta short a tackle first before you go to punching that balls you got.

[Joe Hayden]

That was his first bad. That was his first bad play by man. My man JC made up for that for sure.

[Co-host Joe]

Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. Carolina get out there. They got a positive play on the first down, but I think they got a holding call on the second. They end up behind the chains, they punt the ball right back to. To the 49ers. And that man, that man Birdie, get out there and say, hey.

[Joe Hayden]

That'S.

[Co-host Joe]

Horn went on. Hey, that was, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm telling you. A lot of the plays they've been running against the Steelers, those bang eights, you know what I'm saying? Like, they get the play action and then he runs the Bang 8. That was man to man coverage. That was a great route, route recognition for him to make that play. So Horn was balling, bro. That was like great man to man coverage, right?

[Co-host Joe]

Dude, like they, they're making plays. They're actually like, even if he hadn't.

[Joe Hayden]

Made the piece right there to make.

[Co-host Joe]

The tackle for sure. Yes, bro.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Yes.

[Co-host Joe]

We go ahead. We get out there. Well, Carolina gets out there, and they get like. What is it? Five, three, Something like that. And then on that third down, Bryce scrambles for seven more. Thank you. Anyway, they get the.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

They get the first and goal at.

[Co-host Joe]

The one, and he gets picked by Brown. Why are we even throwing the ball right there?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You just got there. It's first and one. We ain't gonna try.

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[Joe Hayden]

But, like, he. Why did he throw the ball at all? He could have walked it into the end zone. You know what I'm saying? He threw it back across his body a little bit into the end zone. That was just not a good play by him. I feel you. They should have ran the ball. They should have gave it to Rico or Chubb. One of them two should have got the rock. But even when he's scrambling out, get to the py line, you could have walked it in for a touchdown. And you just threw a damn pick.

[Co-host Joe]

Makes no sense, bro. 49ers get the.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Get.

[Co-host Joe]

Get the ball. They get the ball again. They're staring ahead, ahead of the chains. They get to a fourth and one. They get like, three. I think it was, you know, with a. With. With a tush push. That was a lot of yards on a simple.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That wasn't even a touch.

[Joe Hayden]

That was just Quarterback sneak. Quarterback sneak. He's finding a gap.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Yeah, he just found the gap.

[Co-host Joe]

You know, Pie ended up scrambling for nine on the second and seven. They get the first down, they get to the third down again, and your.

[Joe Hayden]

Boy gets picked again on damn near the same kind of route, man to man, host play. These DBs, my man wasn't a Mike Jackson.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Do he got to get it out fast or.

[Joe Hayden]

These DBs, just one thing is a little bit. It's a little late, you know what I'm saying? But these DBs, at the end of the day, are making great plays on the ball. They're like. They're turning into the receiver so the quarterback, he can lead it a little bit more. But I'm not going to take away anything from these DBs that are going high, pointing the ball, you know what I'm saying? Like, not touching the receiver, Running, running, running. Not using their arms, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just straight feet.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, they. They was moving, man. They were. They were. The defense was doing their thing out there, like, especially Carolina's defense, dude. They was doing their thing. I ain't gonna lie. 49ers defense did well, too, but they was Going up against a little. A little smaller animal than. Than what they got, they got over there in San Fernando. Yeah. Carolina get out there. They go three and out. Because the receiver just totally hit him.

[Joe Hayden]

Right in the chest on that third down.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, you're not.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not good enough. But your team is. You know, when you're playing with the Panthers like that, your team isn't that good to be just missing the normal catches. You gotta have that.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, yeah, you gotta have that. That's simple, clean, and you gotta make some catches you may not have.

[Joe Hayden]

Supposed to have a quarterback out a little bit that's hurting your quarterback. God Damn right.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, bro. 49ers get out there. And McCaffrey fumbles. The rock they got so lucky with.

[Joe Hayden]

You see what is up with the panic? Why is everybody just falling all over the ball? We had it fall on it. Just.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Just drop.

[Joe Hayden]

Just drop. Just drop. The lineman came in there.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

They trying to get there.

[Joe Hayden]

He came in there, dropped MB Looking crazy, right?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

He. He. He just.

[Co-host Joe]

He.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

He just so panicked, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

You got to just get down. Just calm down, calm down. Fall on the ball.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Then they get to the second down.

[Co-host Joe]

And Purdy like, listen, I know y' all missed. You know what I'm saying? That.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That fumble recovery I'm gonna give you.

[Co-host Joe]

I'm gonna give you this. He throws his third pick. Second time to horn.

[Joe Hayden]

Brother, brother, brother. This right here, Deebo was a masterclass in playing cornerback. This man has deep thirds, Deebo. And George Kittle is the tight end on that side. So he's blocking, you know what I'm saying? And once you block, you can look across the field and try to find work. You might have an over, you might have a dagger. And he went and found the dagger and went and picked that ball off. Brady's not thinking that the cornerback on the deep third on the other side of the field is gonna come across the field and pick off your dagger. That's not happening. So Horn balling like. Just like. That's man to man coverage. And then that zone coverage. You knowing exactly what you're supposed to do. Your assignment is court Kittle now. Oh, he's blocking. Now I can look across for some more work and go make a play. Go steal something like that play right there. I was like, man, this dude is not only a man making the play on the bang, a pick, undercutting. Now you're just playing. This is zone now. This is when I can use my eyes. I can read the Quarterback. You know what I'm saying? So. God, that. It was just. I was so happy to see it because me being the cornerback, I know what you're supposed to be looking at. I know that you have. Okay, you have thirds here. Now your next thing is coming across. You can go steal something. And he went and did it. I'm like, dog. Bravo, bravo, J.C. horn.

[Co-host Joe]

No question. Carolina get the ball back. The offensive horn.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Go ahead.

[Co-host Joe]

He make a nice run for 11 after a little short pass. Then was it Downley, he ran for what was about eight, weaving in and out of that thing. Something like that. And then four plays, you know, they get a. What was it? They ended up stopping them. And the defense, you know, they. They held him to what was.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

They go.

[Co-host Joe]

They go. Yeah, they go three to seven. San Fran, get back out there. Second down. He hits Kittle for that good 25.

[Joe Hayden]

And then.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Then, yeah, go.

[Joe Hayden]

He tries to throw two more picks, like in the zone. He almost picked that joint off where o' Horn almost had he over Kittle, dude. And then the next joint, my man.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Hide it, hide it. It was Hidey Kittle.

[Co-host Joe]

And then Buddy was.

[Joe Hayden]

He ran that curl route for him. And he. Good thing he threw it outside. Cause he would have picked that too, right?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

He would have.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah. If he didn't.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

They didn't misread each other. He. Yeah, he would. He would have got that.

[Joe Hayden]

So I'm like, God dang. But birdie, you out here. Don't you out here trying give. Give up the money.

[Co-host Joe]

So Carolina holds them to a field goal. They go up 10 to 3, Carolina get back out there, and 49ers force a 3 and out. So it is what it is. 49ers get. Get the rock back. I think it was what they.

[Joe Hayden]

It was right before halftime. So they kept on dumping it off to McAffrey.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, it was like three. They did like three plays or whatever halftime ended up. I appreciate that, though. Yeah, I knew that they was giving.

[Joe Hayden]

McCaffrey all them yards.

[Co-host Joe]

Yes, sir. Half time is 3 to 10, baby. Yo, Carolina gets the ball and fumbles on the kickoff return, bro.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Like, they got lucky.

[Co-host Joe]

The dude that fumbled got so lucky he was able to recover. That dude. Like, that would have been a disaster. If they could have got that rock back, it would have been over with.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause the Panthers, they didn't have no type of real offense. So if you keep giving the ball back, you saw your defense keeps turning it over, getting the ball to you and you not doing nothing with it.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, they get out There. First play, dude makes a nice run for about 17. Then they get a holding call. It's first in what, 20. Now they end up not being able to convert. DB made a nice play on that third.

[Joe Hayden]

He did third and seven. Great play. The slash, man.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, yeah. 49ers get the ball back. Here go that man. McCaffrey again. He goes for 12 again. This whole drive, they just basically able to stay ahead of the chains. They go. They go like 13 plays, 80 yards. They finish it off with a 12 yard.

[Joe Hayden]

McAffrey just easy.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, they go up. Was it 13 to 17 now 17 during that drive. I think that's when they lost Horn. I think he ended up going out with a concussion during the drive, so he was no longer going to be on defense for him.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That.

[Co-host Joe]

That was a big. I think that was a big hit. Especially when you're, you know, you're a guy that's rushing, you ain't got him out there covering. You don't have more time to get to the quarterback. Carolina, get back out there. Second is short. He gives. I mean, second down, he gives him a short little pass that he's able to. Herbert's able to turn into 14. And then Hubbard gets a run for like five. Second down is Hubbard again for like 10. And then it's Hubbard again for six. It was a lot of Hubbard, no question, bro. And then they're able to hit. I think it was McMillan for 29 yards.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that was a good one. That was the best, Pat. That was his. That was the quarterback's best pass of the day.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, we back in. We back in it. They went for two. Yeah, I would have kept that. Never take points off the board.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know why we're not scoring. We haven't been able to get in here. Let's just get to. Let's just get that field goal.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, it's 9 to 17 now again, 49ers get back out there. Here come with Kathryn Kittle. Oh, you know, they get. I think it was. They get to like a first and 10 at the 15 yard line and back to back plays. They actually stuff McCaffrey for a loss. They end up being able to hold to a field goal. So it's 20 to nine now and Carolina get back out there and like the first play, db, like, almost picked him off if he could have held on to it. But now it's Coker. Coker take a short one, like 18. The next play is Coker for nine. Then I think it was the second down. And this was basically the end of it. It was Brown's, I think, second pick.

[Joe Hayden]

When he went to try to throw that dig, he broke on that joint so clean.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Y' all a. Hey, receivers trying to push him off. He held on to it a little bit.

[Co-host Joe]

I mean, no harm, no foul.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it was a little, was a little, it was a little tough.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I mean he was trying to push off too. Now he had the arm.

[Joe Hayden]

Like if you pushing that, that's why you keep pushing out there.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You push him over.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, you trying to push me. You're literally fully extending your arms to push me. So I'll be looking at that the same way too. Debo Lightning. Why you is, why is it okay for you to push me? So if you get a push and I get a little hand on you and they don't call nothing. Well, that's what it is. It is what it is.

[Co-host Joe]

That's what it is. That's what it is. 49ers get out there and they get a delay a game on that second down, end up making them have to go three and out. They done gave Carolina the ball back. You know, second down down, he. He goes for like 11 and next play they hit like 14 and then they get 15. But it's an illegal touching because stepped out of bounds.

[Joe Hayden]

Can't do that.

[Co-host Joe]

You can't do that and come back in and get that thing. And then after that, Young got sacked for what? Negative. What, seven, eight, ten, something like that.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

He lost eight or ten yards, something like that. They ended up settling for a field.

[Co-host Joe]

Goal attempt and they miss it.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That's all.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, it's done.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

It don't.

[Co-host Joe]

It don't. It don't matter what you do after that. Like, like this right here for me was like.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

It was like a.

[Co-host Joe]

All around team win. More like defense. I think for San Fran, the defense stepped up for the most part. When Purdy threw those interceptions, bro, like the one interception, I believe they got nothing. The other interception, they may have, they may have got a field goal on one of them and then the other one, I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

They were answering, they were asking.

[Co-host Joe]

And then.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Yes, the other, yeah, the one interception, it was a back to back. So they, they went a pick for a pick four. Four pick, a punt and a field goal. They gave up three and got, and got an interception back. Like that's how your defense is supposed to respond.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with you.

[Co-host Joe]

And San Francisco's defense only gave up what, like 70 yards rushing. I think Bryce had what maybe 170.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Yards passing, two interceptions along with that.

[Co-host Joe]

But McCaffrey, dude, McCaffrey did what McCaffrey does. Like that's what it came night. Almost 90 yards rushing, another 53 receiving. Kittle went out there and got him six for almost 80. You know Purdy, yo, he gotta clean up what he's doing, bro. Because if, if, if, you know, he.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Left a couple picks out there too.

[Joe Hayden]

He could have threw a smooth five picks. An easy five pick day like you.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Playing against stiffer competition that got a better offense. This is not going to turn out like this.

[Joe Hayden]

Not at all. For me it was. Christian McCaffrey is amazing. And the ways that they use him, getting him the ball. Like I felt like I was watching the little league game almost. It's like, get the ball to your best player, you know what I'm saying? Like he's going to make something happen for us. So they kept on getting him the rock. Purdy, every time he threw the ball, you saw he was 0 for 2 for 2 picks if the ball went past 15 yards. So he was doing, doing a lot of check downs, a lot of making sure, you know what I'm saying? Staying ahead of the sticks, getting the ball to McCaffrey. But for me, he can't. You got to protect that rock. You can't be in any of those bang a. You got to throw it to where your receiver can get it or nobody can get it, you know what I'm saying? So I mean, he got to definitely tighten up. Their defense plays amazing. They don't just being able to step up when your quarterback keeps putting you in positions where you keep having to get on the field and you answer, you answer the call, you get another pick, you know what I'm saying? You give up a field goal, you give up a punt, you know what I'm saying? You forced in the punt, you just going up there and answering the bell. So I was. I loved the defense, I loved how Christian McCaffrey was playing. But Birdie just had me looking a little crazy with any pass that went over 15 yards that if you didn't know if it was going to be a pick or not. So he just got to tighten up with that. But their team is solid.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, he was gunslinger out there. So at the end of the game there, Jenny's got. Got punched in his manhood by Trayvon, you know, cheap shot, we can't show it. But what do you.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

What's worse, spit on or being punched in? Which one?

[Joe Hayden]

Damn. What I would say spit.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Spit you want me, you want me to go?

[Joe Hayden]

Because I'm just flustered. I'm not. The levels of disrespect are just messed up. The level of disrespect there.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

What if it was me? The pain of being hit is gonna.

[Co-host Joe]

Be worse, but the disrespect of being spit on can't be okay.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what, that's what. Okay, that's what I was trying to say. Cause I'm like, if you get hit in the. If you get hit in the. You can't react initially because you're hurting. Like you, you're hurting. I gotta get you later right there. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Listen.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, you get spit on, right?

[Co-host Joe]

I got.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I gotta get you. Listen, man.

[Co-host Joe]

So my son. I don't know why I said it.

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[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

So my son, he did that once. Well, he did it like three times.

[Co-host Joe]

When he was like three, four years old, right?

[Joe Hayden]

And on purpose.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You can't explain to a 3, 4 year old why you don't do that.

[Co-host Joe]

So the first time he did, it was like an accident, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And I folded down.

[Co-host Joe]

I'm like, oh, you know. And you know, he kind of thought.

[Joe Hayden]

So now I can make that. I know how to get down, right?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

So the next time it was same day, you know, down their memories, they don't. They don't. So the same day he came over, he fired on me, right? I'm like, hey, no, don't do that.

[Co-host Joe]

That hurt, right?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I said, don't do that.

[Co-host Joe]

That hurt.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

So a little while later he comes back and he go to fire on me again. So I waited. I said, I told you, don't do that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

So when he goes to walk around, I walks up to him and I popping right in his, right? And I said, that's why you don't do it. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You sat him down as a. How old was he?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Dude, dude, he was like three, four. This is the thing, dude. A three, four year old cannot understand reason.

[Co-host Joe]

I got the most understanding reasoning discipline.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Into my kids between the ages of like 2 and 6 because they couldn't understand me. Explaining to them they don't have the capacity, but they understand reward right from wrong. So if I tell you to do something and to not do it, he may not even understand right from wrong, but he will understand reward. You understand pain. That's one thing you understand. Like you go and you get little Johnny and he's going over there and.

[Co-host Joe]

Trying to stick his finger in that socket or stick a key in that socket or stick something in that socket.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And you run over there and you tell him, no, no, no, no, no. And you pull him away. And now he runs back over there and you tell him, no, no, no, no, no. You pull him away and you keep doing that. It just now became a game. He thinks you're playing a game. No, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to save your life. So me, I tell you once, after I tell you, once I correct you that correction then is pain. He's like, you know what? If I do that, I get pain. He don't know that if he sticks.

[Co-host Joe]

That key in that socket, he's gonna.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

He could die, but he understands the pain. So you can't sit here and explain to a, you know, a 2 to 6 year old that you can't do this because it's gonna risk your life. Yeah, that's, that's easy, dude. It's easy. And if you don't do that, you get kids that grow up into adults.

[Co-host Joe]

Who don't listen, don't pay attention, aren't.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Productive members of society and everything else.

[Joe Hayden]

That's facts. But yeah, I'm doing the same thing with my kids. It's right from wrong and I'm being able to. Like, if you do something, if you, when you walk into the crib and you're doing everything the right way, I'm never, never going to be punishing you. But if you do stuff that's wrong, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to definitely let you know what it is. So.

[Co-host Joe]

Oh, yeah, dude, listen, I do not spare the ride, as they say. Well, I haven't had to do nothing with the ride in a long time.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You know, one, actually James was a.

[Co-host Joe]

Little, little, little tougher than, than my, my youngest, Henry. You know Henry, he couldn't take it. He was like, no, I don't want none of that. James probably, you know, he, he took, he. His last one was probably about 12 or 13. Henry was way before that.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

If I come into, if I come and I got a question to ask and it, it could possibly be some, some whooping behind it. Oh, Henry go. Dropped the dime. He ain't taking the whooping. Nobody feel that?

[Co-host Joe]

I feel that.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Yeah, dude, but the Panthers, they gotta, they got a situation over there. What you want the quarterback, Bryce Young, you think, you think it's time for them to maybe move on from him?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't think Bryce Young is that good. And that's not. No disrespect, he's a little small sometimes with his arm. He's just not making all of the plays. They have a, what they need to do is lean on their running game. Rico Dobbin Hubbard is good. That rookie receiver that they have is solid.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

But you say it's time to move on.

[Joe Hayden]

I think so.

[Co-host Joe]

I'm with you. I, I would agree.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Actually.

[Co-host Joe]

I 100% agree that it's time to move on. Like, you got to realize you, you A first round pick. Not just the first round pick. You were the first pick. Like, your improvement from year to year has to be greater than what it is. They want you to be, you know, a franchise, real life quarterback. And your improvements year to year haven't been that. I think his completion rate is still only like, what, maybe 62, 63%, something like that. And that's only up from 59 or 60 his, his rookie year. Like, you look at, you know, you look at these Drake May. Dude, what is he, like, 70 or something?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Completion.

[Co-host Joe]

Then your franchise quarterbacks, like, you know, Dak Prescott, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen. These guys are in the upper 60s. Chair golf, all that. No, I think.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Yeah, I don't, I don't see a.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, when I look at him, though, I see. And there's no disrespect, but sometimes, like when you are, like, you say you're the number one overall pick, there's. You've had your time, you've been able to go out there. But like, you, when we talk about franchise quarterbacks, these dudes are making $60 million a year. Would you want Bryce Young as your quarterback at 60 million? At 30? Like, I don't like $30 million. Like, I'm just trying to figure out, like, once you get that good time to see what, what you have, then it's like, we got to be able. I don't think he's going to be able to win you a Super Bowl. So, like, if that's the path, you know what I'm saying is that I.

[Co-host Joe]

Don'T think it's always the thing.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no. So, yeah, so it's not gonna be the path with, with him being the quarterback.

[Co-host Joe]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. But every, every time the path is.

[Joe Hayden]

To win the Super Bowl.

[Co-host Joe]

Oh, yeah. No question about it. So Jamar Chase, he said he was sorry for spitting. What he did was wrong.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Can we put that up?

[Co-host Joe]

Can we put that up?

[Joe Hayden]

There we go.

[Co-host Joe]

There it is. What do you, what do you think of this, Joe? I'm go ahead and take off for you, so give me a.

[Joe Hayden]

Give me a beast.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

This right here, this right here was.

[Co-host Joe]

Like almost a perfect apology.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[Co-host Joe]

Like, almost. It was good. Like, it was good.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Whoever his team is that he had write this up. They did it good.

[Co-host Joe]

They did a good job writing this up. Okay? But it wasn't perfect, okay? He apologized to the Bengals, he apologized to the Steelers, he apologized to the NFL, he apologized to the coaches, he apologized to the teammates, he apologized to.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

The fans, but, oh, yeah, he had it.

[Co-host Joe]

Listen, listen.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

He had a small slip up.

[Joe Hayden]

One person he forgot in the small.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Listen, listen. It was just one. I'm just saying it was a small slip up, then it was a big slip up. So the small slip up is where.

[Co-host Joe]

He says, this has been a tough season with some incredibly hard losses.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We've all been frustrated.

[Co-host Joe]

But instead of stepping up with calm and class and leadership, I let my having to sit. What do you say? I let my having to sit out yesterday, whatever.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Basically, he said him having to sit.

[Co-host Joe]

Out yesterday made his actions unexcusable and it won't happen again.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

So you telling me you having to.

[Co-host Joe]

Sit out made was what made your actions inexcusable?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

No, you sitting out had you lose.

[Co-host Joe]

A half a million dollars.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

But that right there was just. That was just a little slip. The big slip was finally.

[Co-host Joe]

I want to apologize to the fans. No, finally. Should have been you apologizing to Jalen Ramsey. That should have been your finally. I highly doubt you called him personally.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And if you did, you still should.

[Co-host Joe]

Have put him in there because you made this public, public statement.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You should have let the public see that, too.

[Joe Hayden]

So, yep, at that you, like you said, Debo. That was eloquently written out. The he said apologize to everybody but the main person that you spit on.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

And end of the day, I think, you know, you said, oh, I'm. Because you sat out the game. Your game checks $400,000 a game. So, you know what I'm saying? They put you two games. You would have missed 800,000. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host Joe]

So that was five. He missed five and some changes.

[Joe Hayden]

Five and some change. Okay, 500,000. So I'm like, basically you're just saying that it was the money part. I just wish as a person you would have just been like, you spit on Jalen Ramsey. There's nothing but words. Y' all are always in the heat of the battle, being able to go. So you apologizing to fans, people that wear your jersey. This coach is that. But not the person that you actually spit on. That was just literally, y' all are playing against. Y' all are in the heat of the moment. You know what I'm saying? Going at it. He did nothing out of line where what was what to cause him to spit. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

It ain't nothing you could do that could cause.

[Co-host Joe]

Caused me to spit.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

It ain't nothing you could say because he didn't. That's what I'm saying we saw no actions that, like, it's nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

So I, I, I'm with you.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

This is just an attempt to try.

[Co-host Joe]

And hopefully them reduce the fine because that's the only thing that could happen. But that's not going to happen because he already served the whole thing.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And on top of that, the finally.

[Co-host Joe]

You double back with the I don't take anyone wearing my jersey for granted. Hey, I just lost half a million. Make sure y' all keep wearing my jersey. I'm trying to make it up kind.

[Joe Hayden]

Of me, I need to have, I need that backpack.

[Co-host Joe]

I need that back.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I hope, but I hope Jamal, man, like real talk that the Spittings party, you know that how that is. But we were talking about it. There's no scenario where you should be spitting on anybody. I think, honestly, he does feel, you know, I'm saying bad. You gotta, you gotta be feeling crazy the way people are talking about it and the way that, you know, everybody says spitting is not acceptable. I just wish he would apologize to, to demand that he spit on in the joint. Like.

[Co-host Joe]

Hey, listen, man, sometimes things not said are more important than things said. And also.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's get to these good old Brownies, man.

[Co-host Joe]

Gabriel was clear. But should we'll start versus the 49ers? What do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm very, very, very happy about that. I'm excited. I'm happy for, I'm happy for Shador. I'm happy for the Browns. I'm happy for just Cleveland. I'm happy for Miles Garrett. I'm happy for Denzel Ward. I'm happy for the defense of Cleveland. I'm happy for the city of Cleveland. And this is no. And I love Dylan Gabriel too, but I wouldn't have wanted him to come back in, to be able to come back. And he would have had to, like, if they would've tried to start him or anything like that, just for the crowd being able to boo him, you know what I'm saying? First incomplete pass. He doesn't deserve that. He had his shot. He had his time. He had six games to play, you know what I'm saying? Then he had his concussion, and then now Shador's time to go out there and play. And I'm just happy now. It just is what it is. He has his time that he can go out there, practice, he can get all of his reps. Now he's going to play against the 49ers and then we'll see, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully he Just gets better and better each game. I'm not going to say like the last one when he was 11 for 20 for 209, that like, that was just drop that. Oh, my God, he's the best player in the world. No, but it's progress. It's something to move forward. It's something to build on. He could still, you know what I'm saying, from the first game, 4 for 16 to 11 for 20 to now. Let's see what we can do. See if we can not have an interception, you know what I'm saying? If Jerry Judy doesn't fumble that ball, that's another drive that maybe. Who knows what happens, you know what I'm saying? He could have scored again. So just being able to keep the ball, just keep the main thing, the main thing. I'm happy now that he is named the starter so you don't have to worry about outside noise. He's gonna be able to get his plays in his first 15. He's gonna be able to meet with the receivers and all that extra work that you gotta do, do it. You know what I'm saying? This is your time to be able to go out there and perform. So I just want him to lock in and keep that main thing, the main thing. And you don't have to, don't. This is why I would tell Shador, we're here for you. You don't have to project yourself out there. We know what's going on. We know about just you getting a little bit of practice reps. So you just go out there, ball and just, you know, you got a great defense, you know what I'm saying? Be complimentary of your guys, you know what I'm saying? Because I know some people just don't like how his swag and just the way that he carries himself sometimes bump that. If you're balling, you're balling. But I just want to let him know, like, we got your back for all that. But I just don't want him to give haters reasons to be, you know what I'm saying? Just on his neck for no reason.

[Co-host Joe]

Do you think that this was actually Kevin Stefanski's decision to start Shador, or do you think that it was other people who made the decision or made sure he made the decision to start Shador?

[Joe Hayden]

I think if he would have tried to come back and start Dylan Gabriel, then it would have just been all hell would have broke loose.

[Co-host Joe]

That's not what I asked you, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

What did you ask me?

[Co-host Joe]

I asked you do you think it was his decision alone to stop Shador or did someone else make sure he made that decision?

[Joe Hayden]

I would say that somebody else. I would say it was above his head. If he had to pick, I think he would have had Dylan Gabriel probably start. Just me personally I think. Cause I know he likes Dylan. That's his man. So if he personally I think he would have started Dillon. But I don't think logically walking into that locker room, talking to other professionals, talking look, talking to your team, looking Miles Garrett and them dudes in the eyes. You can't go in there and start Dylan Gabriel once he comes out of the protocol from what you've seen so far. And now we have Shador coming off the win and no fucking rookies had since 95. So he's going to start again. Dylan has six. Get his man. This is going to be his second game starting. Like he at least be able to, you know what I'm saying? Give him some time. So you can't just take him out and put in Dylan like he was fucking Tom Brady or like Patrick Mahomes just had a concussion and came back. No, we're talking about Dylan Gabriel. You know what I'm saying? He hasn't done too much not knocking. But like now we have another rookie. That's the quarterback that just won his last game. Let's see what he can do. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host Joe]

So yeah, I 100 agree with you. Because if that was the case, he would have had more of a response instead of. I'm just worried about this game. We're talking about this game. When they asked if he would start next week. Yeah, it is 100 was not his decision to alone like they like, yo, you go in here and tell these dudes that Dylan is starting. They're not going to be happy about this and you may lose the locker room.

[Joe Hayden]

I, I think so.

[Co-host Joe]

For me personally, I'm starting on one throw and that was that 50 yard bomb on the run, on the money. Because I know for a fact Dylan Gabriel cannot do that. He can barely get the swing pass.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Out that ended up going for 66.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, you. I'm. I'm picking up what you putting down.

[Co-host Joe]

Hey, matter of fact, picking up what you're putting down. They said a high school coach shoved the opposing quarterback on the side. What's going on with these championship game.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Listen, bro. I don't. Listen, I don't. I don't know exactly what.

[Co-host Joe]

But I'm gonna tell you right now. Hey, Ain't no way it was a black kid, I promise you. Cause that game kept going on and.

[Joe Hayden]

They said the quarterback.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We got it. Yeah, hold on, hold on.

[Co-host Joe]

Let's see that.

[Joe Hayden]

Sit down.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Can you make it bigger?

[Co-host Joe]

I can't make.

[Joe Hayden]

And then, yeah, the quarterback get kicked out. Cause he throw the ball at him.

[Co-host Joe]

Fumb.

[Joe Hayden]

He wants all the smoke. He like, what's coach.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Oh, my God. They saying he actually the coach kicked.

[Joe Hayden]

The kid out and kept the coach.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

On the sideline.

[Co-host Joe]

Man, listen, listen.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Oh, my daddy, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, he just.

[Co-host Joe]

That. That game ain't finishing.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

He gave him. He gave him the good stiff arm too. Look, all he had to do was move.

[Joe Hayden]

He's not. Look, he put his hand out there.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

To hit buddy the contact.

[Joe Hayden]

And look, laughing like his sweet trying to walk off like he ain't do nothing.

[Co-host Joe]

Not bruh. Hey, the side. The sideline. He couldn't have stayed there.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

They listen, they had game over with football.

[Joe Hayden]

See, that's what I'm saying, though.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You're a grown man. You just put your hands.

[Joe Hayden]

Why are you doing that? Are you out of your mind?

[Co-host Joe]

Hey, this is the thing, man. Like, a lot of people will kill for anything.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Very few people would die for something.

[Co-host Joe]

I'm ready and willing to die for mine. There's nothing that's gonna stop me special kid.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I'm doing whatever I want to do because I'm gonna die for it.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not a bunch of people kill for stupid.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

How many people willing to go in there and die for something? Die for somebody.

[Joe Hayden]

I know you are, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That's how you get killed.

[Joe Hayden]

He's tripping. I mean, that's. You got. They're supposed to be dudes that are supposed to be teaching them, like, leadership, if anything.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

He's supposed to throw the hand out.

[Joe Hayden]

He's supposed to try to protect the man from running into the sideline right there. You supposed to catch him. You know what I'm saying? Like, end of the day, we know when you're playing against other teams, it is what it is. But you're never really trying to. You're not trying to. That's just dirty. You know what I'm saying? You're not really trying to just harm people outside of the game. Once you get outside of the lines, it's all love. That's why when you finish the games, it's always you dap up. You meet at the center, pray together, you know what I'm saying? Because end of the day, we're playing a game that we love. And we know it's a violent, violent, violent game. But you're not really trying to do weird things. That's just like, as a person, you just like. That's just dirty. There's certain things that you don't do. You don't hit, like, what are you doing? And then you trying to walk off and act like you're supposed to be leaders of men and trying to teach these dudes how to be the best representation of themselves. And you out here looking crazy and no wonder, like somebody's parents obviously will come outside other and you're trying to.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Give them the example. That ain't the example you want to set.

[Joe Hayden]

Terrible.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That ain't the example you want to set.

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[Co-host Joe]

That's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

I hate seeing stuff like that, man. Because they leading our kids.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.

[Co-host Joe]

No, I'm not. If we put that, he going to jail.

[Odoo Advertiser]

What?

[Co-host Joe]

Hey, bro, listen.

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I guess this Philly dude is going.

[Co-host Joe]

Viral for calling the police and saying there's a terrorist operating in the Eagles facility.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my goodness.

[Co-host Joe]

Offensive court.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Hey, we got the video, man. Show the video.

[Joe Hayden]

What's the address of the emergency?

[911 Operator]

I would like to report a terrorist operating out of Philadelphia. The NovaCare Complex center goes by the name Kevin Patullo. Yes, the emergency.

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[Joe Hayden]

You would need to look up there.

[911 Operator]

His current whereabouts is at and T Stadium in Dallas, Texas. Yeah, just take your time whenever you get to it, but just remember the name Kevin Patulo. Kevin Patulo. Thank you for your help today. Please, he needs to be called.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You're welcome.

[Joe Hayden]

Bye bye, Debo. Straight to jail him.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You going to jail.

[Joe Hayden]

He's going to jail.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You playing with 911 for. For, for life.

[Joe Hayden]

Funny.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

No, hey, that, that, that's funny. Until they come and grab you.

[Joe Hayden]

Until you're in the Ford. Nelson.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Like all these, like all these kids is doing this, man. Y' all going up to people who are unaware of what you're doing. Do a skit where somebody is aware it's somebody fake doing that. People out here, some people losing their lives on this.

[Joe Hayden]

They playing with people too much, man. Some people not. Some people not friendly. Some people don't like to play. You don't know.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Ain't nobody always.

[Joe Hayden]

You don't know what somebody's been going through that day. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You don't know what I got on me. You don't know if I'm a concealed carry person. And you running up on me with something that looks like it can hurt me or take my life. I'm a lay you down.

[Joe Hayden]

You trying to go viral.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You're going to jail in hell. Six feet deep.

[Joe Hayden]

Going to jail in hell is crazy.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Like, come on, man.

[Co-host Joe]

Y' all know.

[Joe Hayden]

But buddy, on that joint, playing with that terrorist attack, calling 91 1, calling terrorists. Going to jail.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

As soon as they realize who you is, y' all go ahead and pick him up. Hey, look, run that video one more time so they can see it. I snitch. I tell.

[Joe Hayden]

I snitch.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I tell you. Understand?

[Co-host Joe]

Oh, I ain't. I ain't.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I ain't having no parts of it. Joe, who your defensive player of the week? Brother, you know exactly who my defensive.

[Co-host Joe]

Player of the week is. Let me see who it is then. Let me see.

[Joe Hayden]

Let me see who your defensive player of the week.

[Co-host Joe]

Let me see. I don't know. I might. I might have somebody.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Who you got? Who you got? I'm looking.

[Co-host Joe]

Who you got?

[Joe Hayden]

Garrett. And we won. Miles Garrett, generational talent for the Cleveland Browns. Our Cleveland Browns. 18 sacks right now. Three sacks in the last game. Two, four spots.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Miles Garrett, defensive player of the week. He stood on business.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Are you sure?

[Joe Hayden]

And Coach Stefanski gave him the game ball.

[Co-host Joe]

You know. You know, I. Listen, I. I ain't gonna lie to you. Until he did what he did, I was going with Will Anderson.

[Joe Hayden]

That's not a bad choice. Houston, he was going crazy.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

But he.

[Co-host Joe]

He went and did what he did. So I gotta. I gotta give it to him. I gotta give it to him.

[Joe Hayden]

I gotta give it to a Debo. So I appreciate.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Yeah, but I was the thing I.

[Co-host Joe]

Was looking at, I was trying to see his name on the stat sheet with the Steelers when we played. So I didn't see nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you didn't because you.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, so we ain't, you know, we.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Ain'T too worried about it. Hey, let that worry about everybody else.

[Co-host Joe]

Everybody else can worry about it.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

So I'm saying this say sack record. You just got to hope he get.

[Co-host Joe]

It before he faced the Pittsburgh Steelers in that last game, cuz.

[Joe Hayden]

But hold up, Debo, what about you got. Are we going to talk about what you. All right?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Listen, listen, listen.

[Odoo Advertiser]

Okay.

[Co-host Joe]

I'm just saying he ain't pissing drop on us.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Only thing I would be worried about, like I said, was the defense. And you personally thought I was being too hard.

[Joe Hayden]

I really did. I really did.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

So I went on ahead, did some research and I pulled up some stuff. And what did I send you on? What did chat GPT say? What did they tell.

[Joe Hayden]

I really couldn't believe that you sent me this. Because I'm looking from just out like watching it. It doesn't look. I mean, sometimes like the open, the big plays, the gas, the not jamming too. You know what I'm saying? In the seams, so the chunk plays that we're getting. I just was like, but we bend but don't break. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't know it was this much.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I'M tired of that. We can't bend no more. Still don't do.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you sent me this, and it showed me it's too much bend. It's so much bend. I didn't even know you said. This is the worst Stillers defense we've had since 1988. And it's just statistically, it was numbers. You sent me this damn Chat GPT thing and I thought you was tripping.

[Co-host Joe]

We are. Are rated the worst we have ever been rated as a defense since 1988. So am I overreacting?

[Joe Hayden]

You were not overreacting. You were not overreacting. 23.9 points per game. 368 yards allowed per game. Ranked 28th in NFL worst total defense ranking in franchise history per multiple sources. Okay, so when I read that out loud, you are not reacting. When I read that out loud, you do. You. You. You have valid points.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I. I couldn't hear you. Could you run that one more time, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

What was that?

[Joe Hayden]

20? 25. Still is defense so far. 23.9 points allowed per game. 368 yards per game. Ranked 28th in NFL worst total defense ranking in franchise Henry history.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

When was the last time we were ranked 28th, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

1988. And we gave up 23.2 points a game at that.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And that's. That's right. From chat GPT.

[Joe Hayden]

Right from chat gbt.

[Co-host Joe]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We could savage this season. Salvage. We could salvage.

[Joe Hayden]

It's salvageable.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

But.

[Co-host Joe]

We have to knock off Baltimore twice. We have to beat Buffalo. Miami is a win.

[Joe Hayden]

We have to.

[Co-host Joe]

Cleveland is a win. We go shut y' all down.

[Odoo Advertiser]

See?

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, See, there you go.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Only problem is Buffalo, Baltimore and Detroit.

[Co-host Joe]

Cleveland, Dolphins.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That's.

[Joe Hayden]

See, there you go being this. Look, y. I'm just gotta play the games, and that's what I'm saying with the Steelers. They better come out there and we gotta. We gotta win it. It's. It's not. It's each individual week, Debo. We can't look past nobody.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Hold up, hold up, Joe. Hold up, Joe. Hold up, Joe. Hold up, Joe. You were saying that like you were saying that you wanted us.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying it like we need to expect you better. You better be ready. You just can't be glazing over people, Debo. That's how you get. That's how you get.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We ain't glazing overnight. They better not be glazing overnight.

[Joe Hayden]

You Just said you like this. Oh, yeah.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Listen here, you want me to keep this 100, I'm gonna keep it 100. I'm gonna keep it 150 with you.

[Co-host Joe]

Right now.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We'Re probably lucky if we split with Baltimore. We got Buffalo. We need to win. It's not a must win, but we need to. But we need to win because if we don't beat Buffalo, we have to beat Detroit. Like that means we gotta beat Baltimore, we gotta beat Miami and we have to beat Detroit. We gotta get three in the world. We ain't got three in a row all year.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it's starting off, it starts off Sunday. I think we can get Buffalo Sunday.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We get.

[Joe Hayden]

We get Buffalo Sunday, right?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And I'm saying, I'm saying this as okay, because we already beat Cleveland.

[Co-host Joe]

I'm talking. It doesn't win.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I'm saying this as how Miami has performed, although they went out there and put their foot in Buffalo's neck.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what, that's why I say you never know what version of the teams you're going to get. So we got to come out there and put belt to ass.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And to be honest, bro, we're lucky.

[Co-host Joe]

Lucky if we get to 500.

[Odoo Advertiser]

Buffalo.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Could be a loss, Baltimore could be a loss, Miami could be a win, Detroit could be a loss. And I'm hoping we can beat Cleveland. Although the way Miles has been playing, I'm scared.

[Joe Hayden]

I respect the honesty.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

That's what I'm looking for.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[Co-host Joe]

Period it all right.

[Joe Hayden]

I feel that that that's just what.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

It would come down and if that happens, everybody's gone if it gets under. And the only reason I would be like, okay, I'm hoping that we get playoffs. Don't. Don't even think about playoffs, dude. I'm hoping we can get to 500 because that way at least Mike can save a few jobs. A couple people go have to be sacrificed for the greater good of the rest. But then again that puts us back here where we're probably trying to fight for another 500 seasons instead of a championship. So I'm like 6 1/2 dozen in the other.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't what you think we're going to do. So say, say if it you saying.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Bump the playoffs if we lose to Buffalo. Mm. We have to win the next three. We.

[Co-host Joe]

Dude, we have to win the next three.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We won three. But it was a buy in between.

[Joe Hayden]

So they had some rest. This was straight three.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

They had some rest.

[Joe Hayden]

Bom bom, bomb.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We gotta go straight three.

[Co-host Joe]

Boom, boom, boom.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Now physical games, bruh. Buffalo hook, Baltimore Henry running the ball. Jackson, Derrick Henry, Lamar Jackson. I hope his leg ain't fully healed by then.

[Joe Hayden]

I know. I know. He's been looking at Lamar.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I used to want to play against everybody. 100. I picked you up on the way to the game.

[Joe Hayden]

Now you want something. Now you want somebody in there limping in. Now you want them limping in.

[Co-host Joe]

I just want to win, bro.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I just want to be able to sit there and be like this.

[Co-host Joe]

The Pittsburgh Steelers, we at least in the playoffs.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna see a lot this week at Buffalo.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Dude, I done lowered my standard. I'm just trying to get there.

[Joe Hayden]

You just trying to get there.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

I'm now.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I'm now hoping for 500. What though?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. Damn, Debo, how the tables have turned. But look, we got Buffalo this weekend. We gonna be there in Pitt. So I'm gonna say we gonna be there real time. I'm be able to look and see. Watch you.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Let's.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's just pray. Let's hope for good, though. Let's hope for good.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Oh, I'm always hoping for good. I'm always hoping for good Mason, because I know.

[Joe Hayden]

Is Mason gonna be. Is Mason starting?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

It's just so much.

[Joe Hayden]

Or is a rod. Do we know if a rod is starting?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I don't. I don't.

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I don't care.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I don't care. I don't care who is there, man. The defense go have to do it, bro. The defense go have to do. I don't care about the offensive side of the Baltimore, bro, as long as they ain't turning the ball over.

[Co-host Joe]

And.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And I don't. I don't. Dude.

[Co-host Joe]

I don't.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I don't.

[Co-host Joe]

I don't care, man.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Like, we. And even if they turn it over, we have to stop. We haven't changed. And we have to put out fires, bro. Look at. Look, look. San Fran. They put out fires, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

If we did that and gave up only three on three on the. On the turnovers. On the three turnovers. They would only had. They'd had. What was it, 18 less points.

[Joe Hayden]

You right. Sudden change. So the defense did like you said. If they don't score, they don't win. So the defense could really be the. They got to step up, especially making all they have to defense. I keep like, it's not about.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Dude, we ain't got no money to get nobody on offense, so we are relying on our defense to make it happen.

[Joe Hayden]

And that sucks. They've been.

[Co-host Joe]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And we Are statistically the worst defense the Pittsburgh Steelers have had since 1988, bruh. Was you even born?

[Joe Hayden]

I was born in 89. That's crazy.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You wasn't even born then. You was a thought swimming around in your dad's side, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

So they was the worst defenses. Was that 37 years? Because I'm a smooth 36. Dang.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

It's just, dude, I try, dude.

[Co-host Joe]

It's depressing, bruh.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I'm hoping they hearing all this, dude. Cause motivation something, bro. I love being told what I can't do, dude. I'm hoping y' all hearing this, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

This what you did. That's what you did before they played the Colts.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Desire that you have, bro, it. I'm just not. Dude, Ramsey. Yes. I love it, dude. That. That dude wanted, bro. I seen wanting it. He ain't turning nothing down. He giving you everything that he can give you out there. I'm not letting up on this quarterback. He got one foot in, and I'm. I'm coming on him. I bet you if Ramsey was right there when Michaela was running out there on that screen, he might not have finished that game.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I love Ramsey.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Again.

[Co-host Joe]

Scheme a scheme, dude.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

What we're doing what they're assigned to have to do.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Co-host Joe]

Sometimes they're out of position.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

The position that they got to be in ain't the one they should be in.

[Joe Hayden]

But then at the same time, too, Debo, the simple punch and widen. You have to reroute number two.

[Odoo Advertiser]

Like.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Like, dude, just listen to the interviews, dude. McQueen, he's like, yo, we know what's happening, and they still doing. They still getting it done. We know what's coming. They still getting. What is that telling you? We know it.

[Co-host Joe]

We know what.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We see it.

[Joe Hayden]

We ain't stopping.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Still ain't getting done. Either somebody ain't getting it done, or they ain't in position to get it done. Either way it go, it ain't getting done. But he's like, yo, we know it. It's coming, and we can't stop it. Hopefully, like, that was actually, like, on some interview where he said this. You know how frustrated you got to be to say that?

[Joe Hayden]

I know it.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

No, I'm saying as a player right now, I don't.

[Co-host Joe]

I don't care.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I can say whatever I Want to say, like, dude, I thought we were bad when we were ranked five when I played with the Steelers, dude, dude, we would talk to each other like, bro, we trash. We were 115211.

[Co-host Joe]

Dude, we're 28th right now.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I don't even think I've ever played on the defense rank that low.

[Joe Hayden]

No, me either.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

And you play for the.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, I did. And I. And our defense was nice as hell.

[Odoo Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

The Browns defense when I was there, nice as hell. Debo being disrespectful. Our offense needed to pick up. Needed to pick up some. You know what I'm saying? That's why I had a bunch of quarterbacks when I was here. But that defense always was smacking ass all the time. Me, Theo, Jackson, you know what I'm saying? Gibson, you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host Joe]

All Cruz.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Okay? So now I'm over here at the defense.

[Joe Hayden]

That the. The stillness need.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

The Browns is our. Is.

[Co-host Joe]

Dude, I hope our offense ain't ranked higher than our defense.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, they have to be. They can't be ranked. Oh, well, I would say our offense probably like 25 then.

[Co-host Joe]

Dude, I'm not. Bro. Just thinking about it making.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Making you mad.

[Co-host Joe]

Right?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I don't.

[Co-host Joe]

I don't.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I don't.

[Co-host Joe]

I don't.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

We gotta do something.

[Co-host Joe]

We gotta do something. We gotta get it done. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

But every time I.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You just. You. You. You can't talk about the offense at all. I know the defense got to do better. I know the defense gotta do better. But it's a team game.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

The office is trash. The coordinator is trash. We already know this. You got, you got. You got Aaron Rodgers even though he's old. You got him looking regular.

[Joe Hayden]

We do got him.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

You got Aaron Rodgers looking regular. Stop playing.

[Joe Hayden]

Damn. That's not his bad. It could be the vanilla. Yeah, you're right. The vanilla. Play caller.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Stop.

[Co-host Joe]

Dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, Debo, I'm. Listen, man, we gonna be there. We gonna be there in Pittsburgh.

[Co-host Joe]

Matter of fact.

[Joe Hayden]

Motivation.

[Co-host Joe]

And look here, look here. We're doing a ticket giveaway too, okay? We're doing a ticket giveaway. Two sets of two, okay?

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

For you guys to come see us play.

[Co-host Joe]

I want to say be.

[Joe Hayden]

You want to say beat.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

I wanted to see us.

[Joe Hayden]

See us take on play.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Take on the Buffalo Bills. Four o'.

[Joe Hayden]

Clock.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Okay, sir, we go announce it same way Saturday.

[Co-host Joe]

We'll announce the winner Saturday. We'll try and do it a lot earlier, you know what I'm saying, than we did last time. We was a little we were slacking a little bit on that. Okay. But what you need to do, follow.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

Joe, myself, Debo and Joe.

[Co-host Joe]

Subscribe to Debo and Joe and like for your opportunity to win one of the sets of Two sets of tickets, sir. All right, now, Thanksgiving around the corner, you see got a full slate of games, baby. You got Green Bay and Detroit.

[Joe Hayden]

Great ball.

[Co-host Joe]

You got Kansas City and Dallas and you got Cincinnati and Baltimore. I'm hoping Cincinnati could be.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm praying I don't because, you know, Joe Burrow come back too. They got your world back for Thanksgiving. Hey, so it's gonna be a good game.

[Co-host Joe]

Yeah, but they defense can't stop a nosebleed, man. And Derrick Henry, go run over them boys. Man, I just feel so sorry for him. Bad for him. But I still rooting for you because we need you to beat Baltimore so we can get back. Thank you. Appreciate it.

[Joe Hayden]

You got them good slated games.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

They're gonna catch good slated games for that for. For Thanksgiving.

[Co-host Joe]

Listen, I'm gonna get off here right now because I keep thinking about we having to play.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. This Sunday. Be ready.

[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

This is what we go do. We go.

[Co-host Joe]

Thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe because I was about to say something foolish like we was going anyway. Okay, please make sure you guys hit the like and subscribe button. We'll be right back here on Friday after those Thanksgiving games. Joseph, you have anything to say?

[Joe Hayden]

No, sir. I would like to say thank you guys for tuning in. Catch us on Friday after these Thursday night games. Let's get it.

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[James Debo Harrison (Deebo)]

All.

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[Joe Hayden]

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