Deebo & Joe - Shedeur named Pro Bowler?! Who will coach the Browns? Joe Brady named Bills next HC

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Shedeur Named Pro Bowler?! Who Will Coach the Browns? Joe Brady & the Bills HC Move

Date: January 27, 2026
Hosts: James ‘Deebo’ Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

In this lively, candid episode, NFL veterans James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden dig into the week’s hottest NFL storylines: Shedeur Sanders’ surprise Pro Bowl selection, controversy around the increasingly “watered-down” Pro Bowl, the dysfunctional Browns head coaching search, Joe Brady becoming the new Bills head coach, and broader debates about what makes awards and recognition meaningful in the modern NFL. The duo share personal stories and behind-the-scenes experiences, bringing humor, nostalgia, and sharp critique to the state of pro football.

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Main Discussion Topics & Insights

1. Shedeur Sanders’ Pro Bowl Nod: A Sign of Declining Meaning?

[02:34 – 07:26]

• Joe Haden reflects on Shedeur's selection:
  • Happy for Shedeur but highlights how the Pro Bowl has lost prestige.
  • “It’s getting a little watered down... Players aren’t taking it as serious anymore, and a lot of dudes are bowing out.” [Joe Haden, 03:23]
• The Numbers Don’t Lie:
  • Shedeur’s stats: 1,400 yards, 7 TDs, 10 picks—not overwhelming.
  • Joe points to recent replacements (e.g., Tyler Huntley in 2023 with just 5 games played): “If we gonna knock Shador ... Tyler Huntley did it ... so I can’t knock him.” [05:22]
• Pro Bowl as a Popularity Contest:
  • Shift to fan influence and focus on drawing viewership.
  • “It then turned into more of a popularity contest. Like I said, I’m not mad at it either... The NFL, they want eyes on it.” [Deebo, 07:26]
• Notable Insight:
  • Real respect, Joe says, now comes from All-Pro, not Pro Bowl honors.

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2. The Flawed Voting Process — From Pro Bowls to Hall of Fame

[07:26 – 14:52]

• Behind-the-Scenes Voting Games:
  • Deebo shares how players would purposely vote for unlikely candidates to improve their teammates' chances.
  • “I’m seeing names up there — I’m like, who is that? And it’s a backup!” [Deebo, 09:15]
• Human Bias Rules the Day:
  • Players, coaches, and media all have biases.
  • “It’s human beings, bro. The same with All-Pro and Hall of Fame. You’re still counting on humans.” [Deebo, 12:07]
• Hall of Fame Oversights:
  • Joe and Deebo lament deserving players being ignored due to personality/politics (e.g., Kevin Greene, Dick LeBeau, Asante Samuel).
  • “These voters, they aren’t true historians... it's literally about who likes you, who doesn’t like you. Because it’s flawed. It’s human beings, dude.” [Deebo, 14:06]

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3. The Browns’ Bizarre Head Coach Search: Analytics Overload & Homework

[19:42 – 34:38]

• No One Wants the Job:
  • Joe rattles off top candidates (McDaniels, Andinsky, Mentor, Chris Shula) pulling out.
  • “They would like to be a head coach and not a professor... instead of football.” [Joe, 21:36]
• The ‘Homework’/Analytics Obsession:
  • Reports of the Browns making candidates write essays and take tests, seen as out-of-touch in an NFL context.
  • “Great coaches aren’t going to come in here and give you an essay and a thesis... They got it in their heads.” [Joe, 22:00]
  • “The Haslam family... they don’t know what the hell they’re doing.” [Deebo, 29:43]
• Debate on Analytics vs. Leadership:
  • Joe: “Analytics can be the tail, not the head.”
  • Deebo: “To be a good head coach, you gotta be a leader of men. Period.” [33:00]

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4. Steelers Coaching & Quarterback Future: McCarthy, Rodgers, and Rebuild Talk

[34:38 – 43:40]

• Steelers’ Press Conference Watch:
  • Anticipation for McCarthy’s presser, with rumors about Aaron Rodgers’ future.
  • “If you want to call it a reload, but ... you don’t have the quarterback at the time, you’re still going to work with Will Howard.” [Joe, 38:11]
• Debate on QB Plans:
  • Should they stick with Will Howard, clear high-value contracts, and draft/build up supporting casts?
  • “You can either rebuild by choice or you can be forced to rebuild.” [Deebo, 40:26]
• Cap Moves & Roster Construction:
  • Who to keep, who to cut (DK Metcalf, Queen, etc.).
  • Agreement that the Steelers have no franchise QB currently.

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5. NFL Old School vs. New School: Practice, Training Camps, and Toughness

[44:58 – 52:41]

• Intensity of Old Practices:
  • Deebo vividly recalls grueling camps: “My first training camp, bruh, ... we practiced twice a day... That still did not prepare me for my first game of play.” [46:16]
• Physicality vs. Injury Concerns:
  • McCarthy fined as Dallas HC for too physical OTAs — signals he’ll bring that to Steelers.
  • Both praise “thud” practices: “There’s nothing like football, there’s nothing like going full speed.” [Joe, 50:13]
• Coaching Styles:
  • Physicality is praised, but modern rules limit it. Both reminisce about what forged strong teams.

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6. Deion Sanders’ Fining System at Colorado: Right Move or Recruiting Risk?

[57:10 – 67:34]

• Joe Supports Deion’s Policy:
  • “You need to be treated as if you are a professional. Like you’re getting paid to play now.” [Joe, 57:17]
  • Strong feelings about accountability—fear of fines was real in the NFL.
• Personal, Humorous Stories:
  • Both recall players intentionally crashing cars to avoid big fines for being late.
    • “That boy said thousands and thousands of dollars fine or this 500 deductible. He cut that... into a telephone pole.” [Deebo, 59:52]
• Will Fines Hurt Recruiting?
  • Both doubt it: “It’s a little bit of bread... I don’t think kids would not go to a school for a fine.” [Joe, 66:19]
  • Deebo: “You really want to hurt somebody, grab that money.” [67:28]

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7. Joe Brady Named Bills Head Coach – Is This Josh Allen’s Team?

[61:19 – 65:14]

• Quick Promotions:
  • Joe Brady rises from QB coach to OC to HC, with Josh Allen present at interviews.
  • “Joe Brady has two years to win the ship.” [Joe, 62:00]
• Power Dynamics:
  • Both hosts suspect Allen’s approval was key; contrast with Ravens owner’s more distant stance.
  • “It sounds like it’s power over there, man… Josh got a little power.” [Joe, 63:44]
• Mixed Feelings:
  • Both wish Brady luck but flag the pressure; Joe is skeptical Allen deserves that influence after a rough year.

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8. Ending with Banter: “Who Can Throw Farther?” and Other Brags

[69:17 – 77:34]

• Deebo and Joe argue light-heartedly about their arm strength, kicking and return skills, and even old baseball stories.
• "I throw. I throw. I throw baseball. How fast you throw a baseball?" [Deebo, 72:46]
• "You got way too swole to play corner." [Joe, 77:25]
• The episode winds down with promises to reconvene and compare notes after the Steelers’ press conference.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Pro Bowl Decline:
  “When I first came to the league, getting into the Pro Bowl was something I wanted to do... Now it’s just getting super watered down.” [Joe Haden, 02:50–03:30]
• On Human Bias:
  “It’s human beings, bro. And it’s the same thing, bro, when you look at like... Hall of Fame selections.” [Deebo, 12:07]
• On Browns’ Ownership:
  “The Haslam family... they don’t know what the hell they’re doing.” [Deebo, 29:43]
• On Coaching Searches:
  “Great coaches aren’t going to come in here and give you an essay and a thesis... They got it in their heads.” [Joe, 22:00]
• On Deion Sanders’ Policy:
  “You want to hurt a man that is making money? Anybody that is making money, take their money.” [Deebo, 67:34]

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Important Timestamps

• [02:34] — Kicking off with Shedeur Sanders’ Pro Bowl selection
• [07:26] — Deebo tells inside stories about Pro Bowl voting
• [11:08] — Roster politics: teams trying to manipulate votes
• [19:42] — Why nobody wants to coach the Browns
• [29:43] — Deebo’s rant: “Haslam don’t know football!”
• [34:38] — Steelers planning, quarterback, and coaching transition talk
• [44:58] — Grueling old NFL practices
• [57:10] — Deion Sanders’ player fines at Colorado
• [61:19] — Bills promote Joe Brady to head coach, Josh Allen’s sway
• [66:51] — Will Deion’s policies hurt recruiting? They debate
• [69:17] — The Pro Bowl’s lost fun (bench press challenges)
• [72:46] — Banter and competitions (throwing, kicking, etc.)

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Tone & Style

The episode is informal, boisterous, authentic, and peppered with locker-room humor. Both athletes speak freely, embrace nostalgia, and mix analysis with personal stories, making sharp critiques while keeping the conversation lively and accessible for any football fan.

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Transcript

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Welcome back to this episode of Deebo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Jo Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe and download wherever you get your podcast at.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe what up doing today brother Debo I'm doing great. I'm doing good. My Boy, Shador is in the Pro bowl, so I'm happy for him.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes. Good day. Definitely. What do you think of that? What you think of that? What you think about that?

[Joe Hayden]

So look, it's a big thing about the Pro bowl now though, Debo. Honestly, I don't think I'm happy. So I don't want to. I'm not going to knock your door, but I think that people don't take the Pro Bowl. The players just don't take it as serious right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, people bowing out, like all the quarterbacks, like once you get in. I know when I first came to the league, getting into the Pro bowl was something I wanted to do huge. That was one of the biggest accomplishments, knowing that you were going to be a Pro Bowler. I remember just watching Deion, watching Champ, watching all of the dudes just going into that game and just being able to be the All Star, like the All Star game, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was just something that I always wanted and I wanted to be recognized as a Pro Bowler. I think now it's just. It's getting a little watered down, basically, because it's a lot of dudes. If you don't make it, it's injuries, it's Josh Allen didn't go. It's like Herbert, you know what I'm saying? Drake May, the Super bowl players that can go, the super bowl team. So it kind of just gets knocked down, I think for Shador to be able to get in. Listen, Huntley got in. Tyler Huntley got into the Pro Bowl. He only played five games. He threw for 658 yards, two touchdowns and like three picks. And he still made the Pro bowl in 20, 23. So if we gonna knock Shador for going to the Pro. We can't knock him. Like, it wasn't. It just. It makes it look watered down. Obviously, I'm not going to knock him. I'm happy for him that he made it. He did go out there and perform. But it just goes to show it's a lot of people that are injured. It's people. The players just aren't taking it as serious as they used to. And I think that that's kind of why some people are hating because it's like, you know, he played. He started seven games, he played eight. His numbers, 1400 yards, seven touchdowns, 10 picks. It's nothing to like, you know, I'm saying it's not like, oh my goodness, like that was great numbers. But when you look at it like all the people that bowed out, all the players that were able to go to the Pro bowl, like, no, I'm not going to play because it's flag football now. You know what I'm saying? It's not like it used to. The dudes aren't going out there. I haven't been watching the Pro Bowl. You know what I'm saying? Not. Not like. It's just not what it used to be. I remember we used to watch it, used to love it. Like, you knew you were going to get some competition, you were going to get people hitting. It was something to watch. Now it's just the real thing is All Pro. If you get ap, All Pro, Pro Bowls are still good. You want to get those on your resumes. You want to be able to have those. Just because when you. Once it's all said and done, it looks good. How many times did you go to the Pro Bowl? If you want to have your fight for the hall of Fame, it just looks good on your resume. But, like, as of now, it's just starting to look. It's starting to get super watered down because players aren't taking this serious. A lot of dudes are bowing out. You know what I'm saying? So I could see why people like, man looking at your door, like, I don't think he's a Pro Bowl. I don't think he deserved to be in there. But when you look at it, how many people are really bowing out of the Pro Bowl? People. The. The guys that are nominated early, I don't think are taking that serious. And if you get to look and see, like, did the certain players did. I would look and see, like, who the other quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes, he's out. He's in afc. Daniel Jones, hurt surgery. Bo Nix, hurt surgery. Trevor Lawrence, they asked him did he want to be in it. He bowed out. You know what I'm saying? So when there's the players, like, who is actually going to be in the Pro bowl, what players do you have? Then you have Cam Ward. I looked at him, and you got Shador. You don't know the. I think the fans might have voted for Shador because the Pro bowl also is a third. The fan votes a third the player votes, and the third, the coaches votes. So it could turn into a popularity contest, too, where end of the day, look, Shador, you did good. He definitely bought out Huntley, made it to the Pro Bowl. These other guys went out. Shador's gonna go then. Fans are going to be there, everybody. There's a lot more reason for some people to watch. So that's kind of how I look at the whole thing happening. And it's not against Shador, but I'm happy for him. He's now going to have that Pro bowl under his belt. But you could see why people are like, it's kind of watered down. Because if you were just to look at the season, to see the quarterbacks, and by just. Did Shador have a Pro bowl year? Is he one of those top guys that you think are in the Pro Bowl? I'm like, no. But if people are bowing out, if guys are going down, you start to look at who's available. Yes. But then you could say, you know what? Damn right. Because Tyler Huntley did it with 654 yards and played five games, and he's a Pro Bowler, you know what I'm saying? So I can't knock him being a Pro Bowler. And then seeing Shador being able to get into it, I'm not mad at it, but I can see why people can be like, man, D d d. But it's watered down now a little bit. But that's not. That's not Shador's fault, right?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. I think it then turned into more of popularity contest. Like I said, I'm not mad at it either. The, you know, the NFL, they want eyes on it. What's going to put eyes on, like, y' all looking at the fan vote. Y' all know what's gonna put eyes on it? I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't even know how y' all did. Y', all, y', all, y', all, y'. All Pro bowl voting. But when I first got. When I first got to the Steelers, I'm gonna keep it a buck with you, okay? So when I first got there and you know, I got a chance that I was doing my first, you know, Pro bowl voting. Yeah. You know, I get into there, you know, you're going to the meeting, and you know, if you. If you five minutes early, you ain't got never worry about being late. So I was afraid of being late. I was young, so I got in there early. Right. So I grabbed my paper, I sit down, and I'm starting to look at the sheets. You know, they got the sheet. Yeah. And I'm starting to, like, you know, pick guys, whatever. And as I started doing that, you know, everybody else started coming in. And then when everybody else started coming in, you got one. You got one person that went to the board. So they went to the board, and when they went to the board, they wrote down the positions, and then they put names under it. So what we were doing was putting down names of players that we knew were least likely to make it to the Pro Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, damn.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, so listen, so that it gave your play because you can't vote.

[Joe Hayden]

Because you can't vote for your players. So it gave you more chance to get in.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right. So it gave you more of a chance of getting in. So I'm looking. I'm like, okay, well, you know, why are we. And then that's when they like, yo, you can't vote for your own team. So half my sheet was messed up anyway, so it didn't matter. I had to start over.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So I'm looking, and I'm like, okay, okay. And I'm seeing, like, I'm seeing names up there. I'm like, who is that? And it's a backup. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

And so, because the thing is, too, y' all are voting for, I think the people we're voting for when DBs do it, we're voting for the receivers. Who are you guys? Who are you voting for? Are y' all doing it as we were when I.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

When I first started doing. Dude, we voted for the whole thing across the board. Wow.

[Joe Hayden]

See, that's Savage. That's Savage. That's Savage.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It was across the board, and then I think it ended up. I don't even remember voting after a while, to be honest with you, bro. So what it came down to is like, say, say, say, I had a good season. And, you know, it was like, all right, we got it. We gotta make sure Deebo get in. Well, instead of voting for, say, say Suggs had a good season. Instead of voting for Suggs, we vote for somebody else that was like a. Was on the list that didn't have a chance of getting in. Okay. Yeah. Finding out. This is what we ended up finding out, is that everybody else caught on to that too. Because, you know, it's. Sometimes when you look at the pro born, you like how he make it. Well, everybody else started doing the same thing, and they was picking the same names, obviously. Oh.

[Joe Hayden]

So everybody was inside it thought they was trying to backdoor each other. And next thing you know, everybody trying.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

To backdoor each other. And then, you know, when you. When you add on to it, like you said, the fan vote is a third of it. The coaches vote is a third of it. The players vote is a third on it. Now, you go and you add into that, that coaches, they voting too. You think a coach go vote a guy in that they think could get in over somebody else that they maybe think can't get in. And this player that they have has a bonus attached to a Pro Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna tell you this. I will hope so. I will hope so. Because I'm telling you, Dwight, when we, when we voted for the Pro bowl, when we voted for the Pro bowl, we voted the right way. I'm just saying because I know we were voting for the receivers and we was like, who cooked us?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know, I think they might have changed it during the process where you, you ended up voting for whoever it was that your position was that you went against. Okay, like when I first, like 2002, when I first got. That's what it was, bro. Like, that's okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That'S what it was.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what makes sense if you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I don't really remember voting much, to be honest with you after that. But like the system is flawed, dude. It's human beings, bro. And it's the same thing, bro. When you look at like you said, the All Pro selections, the, the hall of Fame selections, bro, it's 50 people that vote on that. It's not the same 50 for the hall of Fame as it is for the All Pro. Yeah, but you're still counting on humans. And a lot of these dudes are journalists.

[Joe Hayden]

Those are the journalists in the broadcast.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Their feelings about things, like, they're feeling slighted. Like, you got, you got people who may not want to do interviews with them. You have people who may not have been media friendly, bro. Like whatever the reason may be, it don't, it don't matter. But now it's their chance to get, they get back. And as they say, it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. No, rabbit got the gun. Then look at to do. He didn't even get into like his second or third time. Come on. Yeah, come on, bro. But you put in people before him that didn't have the numbers he had that were first ballot. Kevin Green, bro. Kevin Green, what was it, 2016, bro? He didn't get into 2016. Listen to this, bro. It's only two players I think in the, in the hall of Fame right now that got more sacks than him. The man got 160 sacks.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

160 sacks. He had to wait till 2016. I don't know what the reason was, but they had something against KG and even Dick LeBeau, bro. Dick LeBeau, 62 interceptions. You hear me, Joe? Yeah, 2010. And he got it back in the heyday, bro. 59 to 72, and he ain't get in until 2010. Like, that's crazy, bro. And to me, I think what's happening is these voters, they aren't true historians, like, of the game. Because if they were real historians of the game and had historical knowledge and understanding of. Of the game and, and what people, you know, in the, in the development of the game, like Dick LeBeau, bro, he would have been in there a long time. Kevin Green would have been in there a long time ago, dude. And like, it's like, it's crazy how literally about who likes you, who doesn't like you? Because it's flawed. It's human beings, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure are flawed, period. People start getting passed on, bro. People nine two.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Nine two. What? Hold on.

[Joe Hayden]

Who's 9 2? Debo, are you talking about you? No, no, no, no, no. But I'm with you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, it's not the whole thing.

[Joe Hayden]

The hall of Fame. I think that like you said, when people, they just start getting looked by, they start looking past people. The 62 interceptions, all that stuff, like, that's, that's, that's hall of Fame. But once they start getting past that and they start liking people and the stories and all that stuff, you know.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like I said, the historical knowledge and understanding of the game, these writers and they don't understand that. They don't look into that. They're looking at now. And when you go and you look like it's so far back in history, like when they put somebody in there that's so far gone and passed NFL history. How many people are going to come watch this induction? What is their bottom line? It's a business.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's the sad part to it, you know, like when I remember, like just how Chris Carter, Tory Holtz, you know, and I'm not going to lie to you, like Asante Samuel, when they bring up Asante, same as 52 picks, I'm like, dude, I love, love, love my fate. Like Darrell Revis, he was in the league when I was here 2010. I had six picks, he had zero picks, still went to the Pro Bowl. He's Revis Island. Like, you will look at that stuff and see Revis had 29 career picks. I love it. He deserved to be first ballot hall of Fame, but San Samuel's been out for a while. He has 52 picks, Pro Super Bowls, crazy amount of Pro Bowls. And he still isn't into the hall of Fame, so he can easily get bypassed. And next thing you know, nobody's speaking on Asante. So I can see why he's mad because like Dion, obviously first ballot deserves it and all, but he got the same amount of picks as Asante Samuel and he has Super Bowls and all. So Deion's in a different class, but Asante deserves to be in that room. So I could see how people just start getting passed by and the next thing you know, you forget about them. So you gotta always, always respect the historians and make sure you can get them in. Because next thing you know, there's, there's gonna be the next guy that comes up, like, you know, like the Julio Jones, you know what I'm saying? Calvins. And then we start forgetting about the Tory Holtz and all of them and they gotta get in, you know what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, they talking about Hines over here for sure. He played in a different era. Like, that's his impact, bro. Like the impact that he made on the game that you gotta. And he was still catching the ball, he was blocking, he was doing everything. Like, Hines is another one. Like, I'm looking back like, yo, if you are historian of the game, you should be able to look and see, okay, it was a different time. Like they weren't throwing the ball like they are now. Like, that was. You got to look at what kind of offense he was in. Like, that's. That, that was something that's totally, totally.

[Joe Hayden]

And the things that he really. And at the end of the day, his, his numbers were great and he still. His blocking.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Nobody, they made a rule for him to crack back with Hines.

[Joe Hayden]

You, you, you, your legacy being remembered and people having to change the game for you is like, okay. And you also got ships and you also made catches and you also were legit for a very long time. Consistency, you know what I'm saying? So him, he deserves to be in there, no doubt. And that could crazy because then you can start having people, they start retiring, like Larry Fitzgerald, like my man, my man Andre Johnson. These also players that are going to be hall of Fame. Like does Heinz have to get in before him? And then like they got to start to just.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And that's what I'm saying, like start putting. You start putting other people in. Now they just number search and looking at that and they're not looking at time and error when Heinz played.

[Joe Hayden]

And then it's like what he played.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

In and how he changed the game. Dude, they put Rules in place for this, man. Like, what are y' all talking about? Like, it's. It's us. It's. We're flawed, bro. You can't get past it. Like, you go get your get back. If you can get your get back. That's just. That's just nature, bruh. And no, no, we can't. You know, we can't. We can't use no AI. No AI is programmed by humans, okay? Like, that's not going. And to be honest with you, bro, like, the more I think about this, if we actually got a true AI that was like self contained, it could really think and make decisions for itself, it would eliminate us. Like, we are the worst thing in this world for this world is like, humans, bro. We got weapons that can destroy 90% of the Earth, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No way.

[Joe Hayden]

But that's what I love, man.

[Rob Gronkowski]

We don't.

[Joe Hayden]

We don't need per. We're not. We're imperfect people, and that's what makes us perfect. That's what makes us people. You know? Like, I just like the. The human.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It makes us people, but it don't. It don't make the process perfect.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no pasta is going to be perfect.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I like.

[Joe Hayden]

I like the eight. I ain't gonna lie to you, though. The. The broadcasters and the people, the ap, when it's the top two, normally that comes out, that comes out legit joint. When I get that, if you get that AP nod, you're the best two corners in the joint. Like, you had a hell of a year. And that's why the APS is like, when I'm talking about respect. If you're coming out AP first team, AP second team, right? That's. They not. I don't care.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Those dudes most of the time. But again, same thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Most of the time, you can have some. More likely than not, you look at the apartment, them dudes on that joint was hooping.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Hey, Joe, tell me this. Why don't nobody want the Browns head coaching position? Your boy one. Yeah, it is your boy. So McDaniels, he dropped out. He said, you know what? I'm gonna back a door over here and get this oc. So then the dude from the Jags. What is it? Andinsky, he pulled out. He said, I'm gonna go see what Buffalo doing mentor. He said, no, I'm gonna go over here to the Ravens. And then Chris Shula. Listen, he. They said. He said, no, I'm good. No, I'm good. I guess your Boy. Todd Monkin though the, the OC for the Ravens, he did two interviews. And your boy, boy Schwartz, that was what D.C. wasn't it?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But you know how well he did in Detroit, what was it, 29 and 51. 36% winning rate. 182nd all time out of 207 coaches with a minimum of 50 games. That's bruh. And apparently they saying the coaches that he's in between the one that's 181 and the one that's 183. They got a second chance and they did worse than their first chance. And you know what else? Hey, they ain't even gave an interview to at least two minority candidates yet to comply with the Rooney rule. But Shoehouse is still saying, you know, I'm willing to do an interview. And, and, and Alan, what's his name, Anthony Lynn said he, he's, you know, he's willing to do an interview. Joe. Why? Tell me why. Why don't nobody want this Cleveland job? Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Because they would like to be a head coach and not a professor or they're not trying to do homework and exams and essays and all that extra that we trying to make them do instead of football. We need to keep the main thing. The main thing.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Why you think they doing all that? Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. I don't know. I think.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Well, Joe, you want me to tell you why?

[Joe Hayden]

Because we're doing all the analytics, all this overthinking, over all this scientific thought, all this like, no, tell me why you want to really. And like if you're a great coach at the end of the day too, we need to be, we need to be bringing these coaches in and like letting them take over. We think that we know so much and why we asking them so many questions. Great coaches aren't going to come in here and give you an essay and a thesis and all this stuff. They got it in their heads. They know what they're going to do because they're great coaches. They're great leaders of men. They know what decisions they want to make and know what they want to do. They don't feel like going. They don't have time to sit there and do homework. They're ready to like really make things happen, really make moves, have talks. So like the coaching hiring process is like, why are they putting all these coaches through these loops when we haven't, we haven't shown any organizational reason like that we're leading the right way, that we know the right decision to make these coaches are smart, I would think McDaniel, my man, Mike McDaniel, he was there. He was the wide receiver coach when I was there for the Browns when he went to Miami and now he was like this. No, I'm not about to go there and do all of this craziness. I'm going to go rather have an offensive coordinator job and go chill where I can maybe figure it out re get my stuff and then go get another head coaching job. Because I'd rather go OC and go chill for a second then go over here and do all this damn homework that you're going to make me do in these essays, in these thesis statements instead of having to worry about the main thing and like getting this. How are we going to get this roster? Who's going to be the offense coordinator? The hit. All right, Jim Schwartz.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I was gonna ask you if he had to do.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm glad. Well, look, Jim Schwartz knows he's there. He's. He's been a great defensive coordinator. The lock, the team, the locker room. We like him, he's been doing great and hopefully if we don't scare everybody else off, hopefully we do make him the head coach. And he learned from his mistakes, talked.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

About how bad he is as a head coach.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen to what I'm trying to tell you. He has our locker room. We don't know who else is going to be the coach. We might run everybody else off. The defense has been great. So he can still keep that defensive mind and know what you don't know bring you an offensive mind in there. So we do need still offensive coordinator. We still need to still get that spot filled. But if we do have Jim Schwartz, I'm not mad at him. I like him. I like the way he's been doing with the defense and I like the way the team likes him. The. The coaching carousel. For us to be able to hire a coach, we're scaring everybody off, Debo. So yes, if we can keep Jim Sports is still going to be there. He's still taking this test and he's answering them right. And giving them the good thesis.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. Is he having to take the test?

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[Joe Hayden]

So I don't know. I don't know. He's still there. They've get. I would think that. I don't know why they wouldn't. Do you think he had to get a test to become the defensive coordinator? So they're not testing them now.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I think this is something new, dude. This is the first time we ever.

[Joe Hayden]

Heard of this happening ever for anybody.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Getting a head coaching job in the NFL.

[Joe Hayden]

I think they're testing everyone.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Are they testing the ones that's already there? I don't know. That's homework, essays, all that. Listen, Joe, this is why they're doing it. Why the Haslam family.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Started off getting their money with flying J's.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's the truck stops. Okay. It's actually nice. I went to a few of them back in the day. Like they real nice. I was doing some long distance truck driving with my brother, riding along with him. You know, it's cool. It's everything you get in one spot. But when he got that team in 2012, he became the majority owner and I believe. What is it he has a stake in? Just got stake in Minnesota. Sorry. Milwaukee Bucks in the basketball team.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So in short, he don't know what the hell he's doing. So how does he fix that? How he did when he was running everything else that used understanding of how you get the information. So they're trying to use that to get a breakdown of what is going to be a good coach by having them do something that a coach doesn't normally do. And when it comes down to it from him, it's just, it's an investment, boy. It's the roi. Like you have no knowledge or understanding of the game. You just worried about the investment. But it's getting so loud right now. He's tired of being, you know, he's tired of being in the basement and everybody talking bad about him. So he's like, yo, my people figured this out. If we do this and we get the personality trait and when they write the essay the right way and all that, they're going to be a great coach. No, you got to know the game to be able to understand what you're talking to, who you're talking to and how they're going to be able to go out here and help and develop your team. You know what I need? I need, I need billions. So I could go invest in ice hockey, a ice hockey team. And then wonder why I ain't got no success. But I still don't really care because the long term thing, as long as my return on investment is right, I'm good. Like, yeah, no, he don't know football. The family don't know football.

[Joe Hayden]

And then I would say to. In 2016, when we went straight analytics, we handed hired deep Podesto and he's a Moneyball guy and the Browns are really, really, really big in analytics. And I remember my man Mike Patton saying that we could use. Mike just, we can use. Analysts can be the tail, not the head. I think that the Haslams are just using so. Just trying to be so smart that you can outsmart yourself. Do you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you got to know that you're not the smart. That you just can't analytic everything. You know what I'm saying? It can help. It can be an asset. But that's not, that's not all a ball. Do you know what I'm saying? So I think that just not doing the normal things that just sometimes the simplest thing that you can see of like we don't have to like all these, these coaches are amazing coaches and have great minds. For certain reasons, us having to put them through all of these hoops, nobody else does it and there's maybe a reason for it, you know what I'm saying? Like we start out thinking ourselves the, the smart thing. Sometimes the simple thing is maybe the easiest thing. And like no, no, no, that can't be it. No, no, Sometimes it can be it. And I think we're trying to. The Browns management with the Hasms and just thinking they're outsmarting themselves sometimes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, yeah. I don't even. I don't. I don't think they. They're outsmarting themselves. They're just so lost. They have no other way other than what they can read on paper. Like, they're searching for something that will give them a solid, and they're looking at analytics, and it's like, oh, the analytics work. Well, the analytics works so much. Like, hire you somebody that does analytics to be your head coach and they can analytic their way through it. To be a good head coach, you got to be a leader of men, period. Like, they gotta follow you. They gotta believe you. They gotta. They. They gotta buy into what it is that you're saying you're doing, and then it has to come true on the field for you to be a good coach.

[Joe Hayden]

When you coaching, man, you're not. You're not taking. You don't let that. You might not be the best test taker.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right? You can't read that in the essay.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't write that. I cannot be able to express myself on this exactly the way I need to get to my guys, the way I can galvanize, the way I can teach, the way I can show things, like, I don't know, like, remodel. Like, really, when the coaches really want to be like Mike McCarthy, if they want to put any of these coaches through this stuff, Google me. Like, look at my. Look at what I've done.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't need to be sitting here writing down this. I'm grown. I'm 60 years old. I'm 55 years old. Why are you giving me homework Like, I've done this before? You guys are the ones that don't know what's going on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They might. They might have. They might have their players start doing something, you know, before they draft me, hey, man, give me an essay and, you know, give me. Do this and that. I need to. I need to check out your. Whatever it is they already got. What is that? The. The. The. I ain't. I ain't go through the drive with a Wonderlic test or something. What is that?

[Joe Hayden]

I think so.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Something like that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I didn't. I didn't. I don't know what it is. You know me. I ain't. I ain't get drafted.

[Joe Hayden]

I took the test. I did straight, and then the Browns interviewed me, too. And I went to there and it was solid. It wasn't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You didn't have to write an essay.

[Joe Hayden]

I had to write an essay. No, it's still that big. First round seven.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

No essay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's crazy. The Steelers, I guess they got a 2:00 clock meeting to introduce McCarthy.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Okay, I'm gonna watch that press conference.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

2:00'. Clock. We're gonna have to watch that.

[Joe Hayden]

We're gonna have to watch that for sure. I'm gonna be on FaceTime with you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, we definitely, definitely. Yeah, we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to FaceTime on that. Get, get, get up on that talk on Friday. But Stillers, they said they hoping to make a decision on Aaron in the next month or so. I guess they talked to Mr. Rooney, Art Rooney, and he said we don't know Aaron's plans right now. And that didn't, that did not weigh heavily into the decision. I thought before it didn't weigh into the decision at all. But it says heavily now and then it says we'll see where Aaron is. And we left the door open. But obviously we all have to sit down and see if it makes sense. So he's actually saying, eh, we gotta sit down, see if it makes sense. If it don't make sense then because you know, they saying like when, when Aaron left, they wasn't him and McCarthy wasn't too cool no more like he said some stuff about his iq, you know, being the lowest of, you know, any coach that he had, you know, been involved with, stuff like that. So yeah, he said so we're, he said so that's what happens. So in the next month or so. But the decision will be based on Mike being the coach we, he said the decision was based on Mike being the coach we want. And it's really hard. He said it's really, it really had very little to do with rather Aaron is going to come back or not.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You want Aaron back?

[Joe Hayden]

I, I just the thing, I, it's not that I don't. I was just down for a restart. And if a rod does come back, it's going to be. Probably was going to be for one more year and the numbers are right. A rod is a rod came back. He did what he had to do this year for $14 million. A rod come back next year for 10, you know what I'm saying? Like end of the day he's not, I ain't going. He's not hitting the cap. He's not hitting nothing. I don't, I don't. I'm not, I wouldn't. I don't think for the Steelers this is not what we want. I think I'm ready for new. I'm ready for a new. I'm ready for a new.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I'm, I'm. It's nothing against Aaron. It's just that in the process of trying to further the organization like that, that, that doesn't, that doesn't further us, I don't think. And McCarthy said he, or Art said he likes that. McCarthy told him that he likes, he likes Will. Howard thinks Will can go on and you know, have a, have a tremendous upside. He's looking forward to working with him, you know, all that stuff. So I would rather go and like see what, what Will could do and if, you know, something falls, you know, get some low hanging fruit that might have, you know, fail somewhere else and later, I don't know, even if like we crash out, like maybe that, that's.

[Joe Hayden]

A good thing, you know, Debo, that's what I'm saying. It's going to be eventually a time to crash out. And the Steelers saying they're ready for a rebuild, you're ready for rebuild.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Well, they ain't saying they're ready for a rebuild.

[Joe Hayden]

If you don't want to call it a rebuild, you can call it a reload, but you got to call it a reload. While if you don't have the quarterback at the time, you're still going to work with Will Howard. We drafted him. He's a big body. He was in Ohio State. I've seen him throw it to Jeremiah Smith. Those fade passes, Jeremiah wasn't getting thrown to by nobody else. He was throwing it to it. Will Howard threw it to him. To the best receiver in college football look good to me. Let me see what he can do in the NFL. He's a big body, you know what I'm saying? He's not like a small dude short, can't see over the line. He's a big dude and let's see what he can do during that time. DK Metcalf, that extra 33 million, he got suspended. So you can avoid that. Get rid of it. That's another 30 million.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They didn't get rid of that.

[Joe Hayden]

They can.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, they kept it. They said they weren't avoiding it. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Ah, so they kept it. So you know what way to go.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So who you go pass the ball to, you get rid of him.

[Joe Hayden]

You had 30 to go get somebody else. I'm just saying Because I didn't think DK was a legit one. No more getting open, making, creating space the way that you needed it. So if you want to make wholesale changes, that's an extra 30 for a number one receiver that I'm like in my eyes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What you gonna do with the defense though? That's where all the money is we gonna start.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, the defense. The only thing is we're gonna like. Like you said, Queen might have to like just certain high value people that are making a little bit of money might gotta go. Do you know what I'm saying? So I'm looking like Duggar's contract, he's going to get restructured, you know what I'm saying? I don't know what they. They have. We have places that we can move. I'm not gonna speak on the exact names right now because I want to do it in a certain time. No, no disrespect, but Steelers can make moves with players and there can be things moved around. And if we talking about rebuilding, I'm reloading. We're going to have to work on rebuild, bro.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We don't have a franchise quarterback. We have no. Frank, we have no guarantee. We have no franchise quarterback that we. We have nobody that we see as being our franchise quarterback.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. Until we get that, we are just floating on the water without gas or a sail. We have no direction. We are at the way of whatever the, the, the.

[Joe Hayden]

The.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

The water flows like. That's it. That's it. So you can. You can either rebuild by choice or you can be forced to rebuild. Choice, you make force, it ends up happening through how you play out the course of the year and the years, however that may be. But I think an intentional direct focus rebuild will get you a better result than having to be forced to do it. Now you scrambling.

[Joe Hayden]

So what is your moves though, Deebo? So what is your moves then? Right now I'm gonna go.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm gonna go with the two I got. I'm gonna pick up something in the draft, not high or nothing like that. And then I'm gonna fill in any spots that I think I need to try and fill in that I'm going to end up either letting go or losing and let it play out. And wherever it puts us in the draft next year, it puts us. I'm. Hey, I'm ready. I'm. Listen, I know we're gonna be down too. I'm trying to tell. Listen, y' all better. Listen, we gonna be down 2, 3.

[Joe Hayden]

Years no, that's what I'm saying. You're gonna be down regardless. So it's like, I mean, if you. I wouldn't just waste a pick and saying, I'll just go get another quarterback in the draft.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, I'm not gonna do that. I'm saying, like, I'm gonna roll with what I got. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But that's what I'm going to be with.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, for sure. Right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Go be mad if it don't work and booing and all that. But that's just what's going to come.

[Joe Hayden]

But we got to be getting offensive. We got to be getting linebackers. We got to be getting offensive line. We got to be drafting other wide receivers. These three positions during this draft, we need to be getting these players or bringing in free agents or getting. Somehow this is when we're bulking up the players of making these new guys that we're drafting nice because they might not be the best of the best this season, but we're. Then next year. Then we're trying to know, is it just the quarterback that we need? Because we buffered the. We buffered the wide receivers. We've got the fire linebackers, you know what I'm saying? Joey Porter's still here hooping, you know what I'm saying? Seeing how people. Herbic Highsmith, you know what I'm saying? Seeing what, how we move this. Who gets signed, who gets extended. And the players that we do bring in at the wide receiver spot, do they ball out, do we get when we draft? Not just throwing out that quarterback. No, we get a high, nice receiver to see now if Will Howard has a one there. And DK is still here for that, for that last year because we didn't get rid of his. We didn't void his contract, so we still got dk. Then we draft another receiver. We draft up linebacker. How good are these dudes? You know what I'm saying? So if everybody performs and if you hit right, you're not going to be terrible. You have a nice class of young dudes in there that are balling with Will Howard and make him just hand the ball off, get it to.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I understand what you're saying, but again, if Will Howard doesn't turn out to be that franchise quarterback, but he turns out to be enough, combined with the offense, defense, special teams, that puts us again in medium purgatory. Medium. We're still not going to be able to get what we need.

[Joe Hayden]

If you just. I, I Can't. You can't. You can't just so say so you just want.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, I'm agree with you on this. High value contracts that we don't feel is getting what we need or it's too much for where it's at. Gotta go. Why? Because that opens up a lot of room to be able to grab people in free agency. This one I'm to those spots and.

[Joe Hayden]

But this, this is, this is, this is a good problem here. No, Debo, if you say if Will Howard is good and ends up playing well with the guys that we have and they end up being 8 and 8 or whatever, right? And you know that we just need a quarterback, like that's the main thing, then we can go. We, we gotta, we can go get that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Ain't nobody giving up quarterbacks though.

[Joe Hayden]

We had to trade up in the draft.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, That's a possibility.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, once we can start getting these picks and accolade and picks and know we got two first round picks. We only, we got Will Howard, he's cool, but we just need one. Trade that Joan up, up and get to get a higher pick so we can go get one. If that's the only one thing that we need, then we could be able to. All right, hopefully let's finagle it. But if Will Howard is doing cool, I think drafting other pieces that we need, not just trying to figure out find a quarterback randomly. But it's gonna, it's gonna eventually happen. I think. Not eventually, but next year.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I mean, we'll see, man, and we'll see how it play, how it play out. Keep an eye, watch the, watch the two o', clock, you know, presser and see what McCarthy talking about. We'll go, we'll go from there. But what is it? Green law? He said, he said it was physical over there. He said, he said. Peyton, he said that man was physical over there on them boys. He said. What did he say? He said, he said Sean Payton old school that way. He said he told reporters, Sean, old school. He's going. He's going to do six days on, one day off. He's got, he's got his way of doing things. You're going to be practicing three hours on wins. Can you practice three hours anymore?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Three hours on Wednesday, three hours on Friday. Santa Hand, he said he's complete opposite. He wants you fresh. Listen, Joe, yo, my first training camp, bruh, when I got in, we was in training camp for at least 30 days, if not maybe 33 days. Okay. We practice twice a day now. I'm shells was helmet and shoulder pads. So it was still full contact.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Just didn't drag nobody to the ground. Second practice where everybody come to see where the fans out there, bro. That was full contact to the ground. Banging.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Banging. And that still did not prepare me for my first full game of play in the preseason, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Never forget it, bro. We were playing Detroit in Detroit. It was the third preseason game, and I think one of our linebackers or a couple that, however it went, had went down. So I was the first person to go in after the starters were out. And I'm still on all the special teams, like, all that stuff, dude, that game, I knocked myself out hitting the Titan. Listen, bro, listen. I knocked myself out hitting the title, okay? And the timing of it, bro, was like. Like I blinked my eyes, closed my eyes and opened it. And when I opened my eyes, all of a sudden the trainers were around me.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm like. Before, I'm like, what y' all doing here? They was like, you was out. I'm like, no, I'm not. What?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They like, yeah, you were. How you think we got here? Yeah, but after that game, I called my dad, bro, and I said. I say, dad, I say, I don't know if this game is for me. See, chill, D. I said, my body feels so bad. So we're hurting right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they don't play.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What he said? You know what he said? He said, you'll be all right. He said, you just got to toughen your body up to it.

[Joe Hayden]

Gotta get used to it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Used to it. He was right.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But that's old school, bro. That's old. This new stuff that they doing now, bro. Bro, I could have played 30 years in this, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

And. And when. When he's saying this, Debo, he gotta. I think that's. It's literally against the rules now, though.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't know. It might be some type of. But speaking against the rules, McCarthy now McCarthy, 22 and 23 with Dallas NFL find him for OTAs being too physical. So all so autumn boys in Pittsburgh, that was. Used to, you know, getting this day or all that. That stuff. No, he gonna come in there and he go. He gonna be like, I gotta see what I got. I need. No, I need to bring the Pittsburgh back to Pittsburgh. He a Pittsburgh boy. I need to bring the physicality back. I don't want to see my guys getting Pushed around. I want to push guys around. He gonna bring the physicality back. Ain't no better place to do it than OTA as soon as you start.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Might be catching a fine or two, but hey, they gonna be physical.

[Joe Hayden]

The game has changed because I remember my first two. The two a days, Deebo, they would make you. You coming out there and you'll be. When you had on shoulder pads and helmets, the only difference was you weren't taken to the ground. That was full contact. You just weren't tackling. You had to hit rap. That thud. You gotta stop the tackler. That's almost harder for the dbs. I'm like, now you make hit them.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Up, you gotta break down, control yourself, fit up and rap.

[Joe Hayden]

For sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You gotta put yourself tackling. Tackling. We got now.

[Joe Hayden]

No, all that arm tackling. No, you had to put your face on someone. You had to put your pads on the man and make sure that. That embrace. So I understand completely how coaches had that different kind of coaching style, because all that like running in, tagging off, that's not getting you, you know, to say you're professionals, you know how to tackle. But there's nothing like full speed reps when somebody can really juke you or run you over or. So you got to be able to come in there knowing I'm like, you got to come in there ready, not like come in there playing. No, no, no. It's not a game. That little tag off, that's not football ready. So I understand, like, it's a lot harder, but end of the day, the injuries and everything, but there's nothing like football. There's nothing like going full speed. And I. The teams that do a little bit more contact, the teams that do do a little more hitting, your pads are ready. Like, you can't get ready for hitting besides hitting. No. I know when I started getting older, like, no, you, you, you know, I do. I'm like, man, I still need my pads up. I might pull my pads up a little more than you. You know what I'm saying? Like, so that I, I definitely understand it, but the health part of everything. But there's nothing like I love that you're gonna need. You're playing, it's a long season. So if you can't go get it in now, get your body ready. Because all that training, all that warm up, all them DB drills that we're doing during the off season is nothing like when you really gotta come feel when you really gotta come tackle and wrap somebody up and that's what you see though in these young, in these defenses when like lineman, d lineman, they got it. They're engaging. Your guys are engaging way more than us DBs. We got to come in there and get active. And I think the best teams are the ones with tackling DBs. You could tell the ones that really want it. The one. The ones that are coming down for that cracker place. The ones that really want to smoke. And I think that's from they ready for hitting and they used to it. And that's what football is. If you come into training camp, you're like, yeah, it's live. And dudes looking funny. I'm like, like it's gonna be live in the game.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm about to come chop this man down. Are you tripping?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know what you mean? It's live. We got on sales helmets. Yes. You hit rap. Stop him and then you can let.

[Joe Hayden]

Him go and then keep him going because we need that pursuit.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

They keep letting them go because now.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Everybody keep chasing everybody.

[Joe Hayden]

Everybody got to get a thud in everybody.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Everybody gotta touch him. What we talking about? Yes, dude, nowadays. And like you said, like he said rather. Hey, no school, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like he. He probably to the edge. He probably to the very edge of it, making sure he don't cross it because I ain't heard nothing about no fine. So he may listen. I'm gonna get all I can because when it comes down to it, the game is played tackling and getting people to the ground. I'm gonna do everything I can to stimulate to simulate that every.

[Joe Hayden]

I like that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I can.

[Joe Hayden]

I could. I respect the. The. The tackling, the thudding part, the making sure you put your pads on them. I'm loving that. Like you gotta. That's not. People aren't getting hurt from that. This is when you start swinging people to the ground, people getting beat. Start pulling all that. Yes. But if you playing regular good football fitness.

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[Joe Hayden]

No. Yeah, that's football. You gotta get yourself into that position. Cause otherwise you're gonna be looking crazy.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, and that's the same thing. Like the running back is coming. He's trying to run through you even though it shells in there. So you gotta realize when he's trying to run through you and when he's trying to run around you. And you gotta come in there and meet the force with the force that he's coming with. Like, you can't just, oh, I'm coming in to tap up. Nah, you gonna get, you'll get your chest blew out. You're to come in there and thud up on him and make sure you shore up that tackle, bruh. Deion over here in Colorado, he finding them boys, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yo, you like, you like the new system, man?

[Joe Hayden]

I love the system.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

This is my thing. You need to be treated as if you are a professional. Like you're getting paid to play now. And hopefully next level is practice was always a thing, though. Like, that's scary for me. I was scared to be late for practice. Like, dude, you wanna be early to meetings, early to practice, make sure everything is right. Like the times if I wake up, like my nightmares will be waking up with my alarm and being late to a workout. I could, that, that, that could really like shock the system. I would think about crashing my car to be like this.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, I'm gonna tell you, I would.

[Joe Hayden]

Think about crashing my car to be like this. Oh, my God. No, Coach, you got enough accident, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would risk it all instead of missing the meeting because the punishments and the authority. Like, I did not. I. I was. That's not what I was on. So for coach, Coach Prime. Yes. What are. Where else would you be? Where else should you be? You should be here early. You should have your body right. You should be taped. Like, this is the main thing. Is the main thing. Class, all that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

But you're getting paid to come here and play the NFL. Like when Coach Mangini. That's one thing I respected my rookie year. I was a little bit wild and, like, I just wake up, oh, my God. Panicking because I was out. No, I was coming. I would be pushing it and contemplating I might have to wreck just to be like, oh, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Hayden]

No, something happened. But, like, those are just very, very fearful times to teachers. Growth, maturity. You have nothing else. No, you have to be a professional. You get fined, we will come in that thing. Nobody will say nothing. I would have a fine right in my chair. It's like, max my $5,500 if you're a minute late to a meeting. You know what I'm saying? Like, Mangini did not play about none of that. So you should. I respected it. No, no, no. You know what I'm saying? So, like, Coach prime doing that. It keeps accountability on the players and where else should you be? Definitely. I remember I was scared to death to ever miss a meeting with Urban Meyer. Clean the whole weight room. Would punish us crazy. Like, that was the scariest time ever. No. So, yes, Coach prime find these kids because they. That's what you should do. They're getting paid to be here. You should be nowhere else. But don't. I'm not. I'm not telling nobody to talk about wrecking their car. But I'm just saying how scary it was.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm gonna tell you a story. I'll tell you a story. I don't. I don't wanna. Okay. So, yeah, it wasn't me. It wasn't anybody I know. It was somebody I heard of. Point is, I'm not gonna let y' all have any clue who this is, but person was late to a meeting. There was gonna be late, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So as they driving to work, they realize they about to be late. That boy said thousands and thousands of dollars fine or this 500 deductible. He cut that. He cut it into a telephone. Hey, Coach, I didn't got an accident. Hey, I know.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not tripping. I'm telling you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, man. Bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, bro. Yes. Yeah. It get like. Like that. You get like that. Get like that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's scary.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. So Coach prime keep them, man. Hold them kids accountable.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm all for it.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm all for it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm 100 for it. He ain't finding Them a whole bunch anyway. And if you can't afford it, don't be late. Don't be late, late, don't be late. If yo. If yo. What is it? Your nil deal ain't got that much money in it.

[Joe Hayden]

You should be early.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Because look, my kids, if you're 15 minutes early, you're never late.

[Joe Hayden]

Never be late.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You're never late.

[Joe Hayden]

And Joe, you know, you know, and there's no class, there's no meetings that are like scheduled for you. You won't be able to miss anything. Everything's scheduled around your schedule, so you should be able to. There's no. You're never double booked with school and football.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right. Your boy that pulled out after the bill job, he, he put off of nothing. I guess the Bills just promoted the oc Joe Brady to head coach. I guess Joe Brady's been there with the bill since 2022, starting as Josh Allen's quarterback coach, then becoming the offensive coordinator and now will serve as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. And Josh Allen, they said was sitting in on the meetings, so obviously he approved. Had some say about this. You like it, you dislike it, but they all in. Realize they all in.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe Brady has two years to win the ship.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, you know what I'm saying? You got, you came through with the team. Your man was sitting in the morning meetings. Y' all are with each other. You and Josh are together. So I know from Buffalo, and your leash is short, you know what I'm saying? I'm happy for you. I hope it goes very, very well. But this is a situation where the McDermott, he got the short end of the stick, threw you to Aliyoop. You don't have time. But like, no, no, it was going to be a four year rematch. No, you got Josh prime. Now hopefully you can go get whatever you think that you needed to to make it better or do whatever, but you got two seasons. Coach Joe Brady, you got.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, bruh. So now it is making me think like, was this an inside job? Did he actually go and be like, hey, he ain't doing it right. I could do it better. You know, because the owner came out was like, hey, the GM didn't want this receiver, but the coaches did. But ain't he one of the coaches too? What's going on in here, bro? Ah, what's, what's really going on? Like, it feel like some. It's some. It's some. It's some inside work going on here, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he got a little bit of time Brother, he got a little bit of time. They gotta turn up asap.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know what was the Ravens owner was like, yo, they have say, but they ain't gonna have no power. It sound like it's power over there. Sound like it's power over there, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You talking about. Yeah, Josh Allen. Yes, the opposite of what the Ravens owner said. That, man, Josh Allen was sitting in on the joint, and he ain't say nothing about. He's got an opinion, but he don't got no power.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I think, yeah, you right.

[Joe Hayden]

Josh got a little power.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He said, I want to hear all their opinions, but they have no power.

[Joe Hayden]

I think they might have been sitting next to each other. Josh Allen in the owner and this man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, they.

[Joe Hayden]

He looked at Bruh. Bruh looked at Josh. I like, hey, what you think, man?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm trying to tell you. Hey. Or maybe they, you know, they. The owner just made a snap decision like, yo, get him up out of here. And then when it came down to it, the team was like, yo, how you get him out of here? Like, he did this, did that. And it was like, well, we can't. Well, we get somebody else. We might lose everybody. Josh and the me's like, yo, you know, they. You know, they pissed off now. Now you get somebody else. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get these boys to follow you, but you know, my OC right here, I know he go call what I want what I like. So go ahead and give old. Give old Joe Brady the job, you know. Hey, and now I'm the quarterback. Oh, see, I just got you this job now. Hey, let me call what I want, you hear?

[Joe Hayden]

Bro, they. They. I just. I just hope that it works out for them then. I mean, not. Not all the way. Cause they gonna be having to be. But Josh Allen deserves it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Deserves what?

[Joe Hayden]

Well, last. Well, no, this. He did bad this year. He did bad this year.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He deserved to have power.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. To be successful. To be successful.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Well, he's kind of in control of his own success.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he didn't have to fumble the ball all those times. I just feel bad for him.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Feel bad? Would you feel bad if he was playing against you and beat you because he didn't fumble it?

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What you feeling?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not playing, though.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What you talking. You know what?

[Joe Hayden]

Never mind.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe. Listen here, Joe, man. Well, hey, going to get that wishing side sauce before I whip your ass, boy. Life. Hey, man, we got a super chat. JJ Carvey 80. He he said, Do you think Prime's policy will hurt him in recruiting and protocol?

[Joe Hayden]

Jumps and portal jumps. Somebody.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Portal. Portal jumps. I'm tripping. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you don't. I mean, I think that he's not finding the kids crazy amounts, right?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Dude, the mouth's not crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

It's a little bit of bread.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

500, 1500.

[Joe Hayden]

But, like, of the dates, like, I don't think these kids are really. How many of them are really missing meetings? I think this just gives them more incentive to make sure. Like, why you? I don't know. Too many people that have been late to too many meetings when I was in school or when I played, like, college ball or in the league, like, that's not really a thing unless I. You know, that's just not something that happens. And I think you need to be held accountable if you miss meetings. And I don't think this is something that kids would. But not go to a school for a fine. I mean, that's.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I think it's smart, dude. I think. I think other schools will. Will. Will adapt it. You know what I'm saying? Because when it comes down to it, the only thing you could do when we missed meetings was punish us with workouts or running. It's usually running. And if you're in season, you're kind of defeating the per. You're kind of handicapping yourself. I'm gonna go and punish this dude because he was late. I'm gonna make him do extra running and do all this other stuff and have to be there for this and that. And when I'm doing that, I'm actually tearing his body down. And I need to go in this game and perform at a high level for me.

[Joe Hayden]

So you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You handicapping yourself, and when it comes down to it, you really want to hurt somebody. Grab that money.

[Joe Hayden]

Got that money.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Grab that money. I'm gonna tell you right now, bro, you want to hurt a man that is making money. Anybody that is making money, take their money. Like, I ain't even fighting no more, bruh. Hit me. And I'm depending on who you is. I'm go. I'm. I'm waiting on Jeff Bezos to just slap me across my face.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I' ma swear I can't look at nothing. I can't go out the house legally blind. Every bruh I need. My emotional mental capacity to be able to deal with anything is gone.

[Joe Hayden]

I cannot.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I' ma need. At least there ain't nothing to you Just give me one bill. One bill. But you want to do it? Right. I'll settle out of court right now for half a bill.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I settle our court right now for half of it. And tell them how scared I am. Every time I see an Amazon thing, I see Amazon.

[Joe Hayden]

Every time I see a truck, I just.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I panic. I think you're getting out of it.

[Joe Hayden]

Anybody say a word, Start with a B. Oh, just spooky.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Spooked. Straight up out of control. I can't even order from there no more. I don't even. I can't. I can't listen. I can't watch tv. Oh, I'm going in. Joe. Look here, brother. We gonna be back here on Friday talking about, you know who. The press conference between them boys and see what's going down. See what they saying, man, and I guess maybe the pro. Listen, man, I don't understand this Pro bowl thing, man. Like, it's a flag football game, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What are the D linemen and offensive linemen going to be doing?

[Joe Hayden]

They don't do they do. They got other games going. They pushing sleds and running obstacle courses and all of this stuff. It's skills challenges, Debo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Dude, this is the thing that made me mad, dude. The first year I made it there, they took away the skills challenges questions. Dude. I was getting ready for that.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, I wanted to.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I wanted 225 bench, bro. I was trying to go in there and push that thing out about 45 times.

[Joe Hayden]

God, you was going for the record.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, bruh, I was going for the record. I was trying. I was. And then they took it away. I'm like, wow, that's crazy. That's out of control. The fun part of it, they took out the best. Now you don't turn it.

[Joe Hayden]

I wanted to see, like, they need to do the. The bench press was lit it. And the longest throw for the quarterbacks, bro. I love watching that joint.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I could have gotten that.

[Joe Hayden]

That's. I'm. I'm throwing the 60. I'm throwing a 65 right now.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, no. I'm getting every bit of 70.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm all right. When I. Next time, I bet you I'll throw you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I bet you don't.

[Joe Hayden]

I bet I do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, okay. Bet, bet. Okay. 10, 10, 10, 10. Anytime push ups is the best.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, 10 anytime. Even on the show. I'm black, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Give me two.

[Joe Hayden]

Give me two.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I slang that thing, bruh. Like, I'm talking. You thought that Josh Allen could throw that, Bruh, I'm trying to tell you. Flick of the wrist, like big bro.

[Joe Hayden]

You know I threw for 72 touchdowns in high school.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That was high school, Joe. I never threw a touchdown. I just threw it long. I was a deep ball champion.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna see, bruh.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I was deep ball champion in the. In the deep ball league, bro. 2000. From 2007-20. 23.

[Joe Hayden]

The deep ball league.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes. How long you throw the ball? Where's the deep ball league, bruh? It is. It's big. It's big. It's.

[Joe Hayden]

You are blatantly lying. All right, watch this.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's so underground, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause people don't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They don't be wanting to. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Like.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like. Like golf. Like the long shot, the longest drive. Longest drive, yeah, that's it. But it ain't catching on. It ain't catching on. It ain't been catching on. And the league collapsed in 23. That's why I was only the. The winner till 23. You know what I'm saying? But I held it. I held it the day I stepped in until the day it shut down.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna see.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And I'm still that dude.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't throw the. You cannot throw the ball farther than me. That's just a. Bruh.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm trying to tell you, Joe. I listen. You probably throw like. Like Peyton Manning did in his last years.

[Joe Hayden]

You better ask about me, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Who I' ma ask?

[Joe Hayden]

I got a rifle.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Ain't nobody ever seen you throw pounds.

[Joe Hayden]

He seen me throw, too. I used to throw the ball with. Pounce with that goal post game before practice.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's 20 yards, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I used to back it up every 10 yards. And I used to go back to the 50 goal post on the 50.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's nothing. That's nothing, bro. I was goal posting from the 30.

[Joe Hayden]

No way.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

The 30?

[Joe Hayden]

The 30 in?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No. 30 out.

[Joe Hayden]

No. All right, we'll see, bro.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You up here, you playing games, bro. I'm trying to show you. I'm gonna tell you something, man. Like, this is what I do. I throw. I throw. I throw baseball. How fast you throw a baseball?

[Joe Hayden]

See, I don't know.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Wow.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. I had to step away from baseball early. I was a pitcher, you know what I'm saying? Because I played quarterback. I was 12 years old, you know what I'm saying? All Star game. I pitched it. He hit that ball back, knocked me right upside my head. Knocked me unconscious. Never played again.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, you got scared?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, I got put to sleep. Yeah. And I was okay. I wasn't. I wasn't as good as I am. In basketball and football. You know what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I didn't have to worry about that because they couldn't hit it. They couldn't hit it. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

All right. You ain't play against the players I played against.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I played against Julio Ramondo.

[Joe Hayden]

It was Sammy Sosa I played against, and he's.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I played against Barry Bonds.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you didn't. I played against Ken Griffey Jr. And Sammy Sosa when I was 12.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I played against Barry Bonds. Margaret. Why?

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. Now you lying. Now he lying.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I was throwing them heat to get them ready for the professionals. Because they was throwing. I was throwing so fast, they was trying to be like, yo, if I could hit him, I know I can hit everybody. Reggie Jackson. Who you think? Hey, my daddy, my daddy. I got my arm from my dad. My daddy was throwing it to Reggie Jackson.

[Joe Hayden]

Can you hoop? Can you hoop?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Why are you changing the topic, though?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, because you went from baseball. Because then we started at football. How long, how far you could throw?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I could hoop against you.

[Joe Hayden]

No way, bro.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I' ma body you down, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

I will pull the chair off of you. And then if you try to shoot.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm a pinball it. I am. I'm bodying you down, man. I'm doing you like I did my son. That's it. I ain't playing him no more either. Cause he almost beat me, and I. I ain't about to lose to him.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, now we gonna do all. You know. We gonna do a punt, pass, a kick, and we gonna run the ones. I'm gonna get you out the way and all of that, bro.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I could kick. I used to be a fire kicker. I was. Straight toe. I. Straight toe. I had the straight toe that had the flat surface like that on it. I was banging that thing.

[Joe Hayden]

See, you. You were. You would have straight toe cleats.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Cleats. Just one. Just one.

[Joe Hayden]

For kickoff, they had the ballet toe boot. That's cheating.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, you. What you talking about? You want me to twist my ankle trying to kick it soccer style?

[Joe Hayden]

No, I just went with the straight, normal cleats. And I went straight up on it with the regular cleats.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, I was doing it with the regular cleats, but I was only kicking it, like, into the five. Like five yards deep into the goal line. But after I got that straight toe, I was kicking it out the stadium, out the back end.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm done with you. I'm done with you, man. I'm done with you. I'm done.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm trying to. Hey, Listen, man, we want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, make sure you guys, like, subscribe and download. We gonna be back here tomorrow. I used to snap, too, Joe. I actually snapped.

[Joe Hayden]

I know.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Friday, I snapped, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I believe that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I snapped in the professional game. What about you?

[Rob Gronkowski]

You?

[Joe Hayden]

No, I was a kid. I actually ran back a. I was a kick returner and a punt returner.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I was a kick returner, a punt returner.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying, Gunner? You know.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I was no Gunner. I ain't gonna lie to you about that. I wasn't no Gunner. No, you wasn't. You know what I'm saying? I was, too. I was too valuable in the inside. That's why they put me at middle, because they was like, yo, we can't have you on the right or the left. We need you to be able to get everywhere. So they put me in the middle. Middle. I was playing. I was playing in a 6:1, sitting by myself. Why? Because I could get everywhere. Every gap was mine.

[Joe Hayden]

Huh? Whatever you say, Debo. I see you, I'm out.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They called me all gap. They like, hey, all gap. What you got all the gaps. All gaps. They say, who you got? They said. I say kill everybody. You know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You get the gap. Fill the gap. Hey, listen, Joe, at least to play a little bit of corner, too. But then, like I said, they was like, hey, we only got you on one side. Then, like, we need to make sure everybody. We need to make sure everybody could. You got too much pain that you could put out.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Out.

[Joe Hayden]

You cat too small to play corner.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

To play corner, Debo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yo, what you talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

You got way too swole to play corner.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, you talking about after I got into. Yeah, that's what happened.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, you got too swole.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, but, you know, I was doing. I had a couple years off. I got, you know, I had some things going on. But anyway, hey, look, here we going over. We over, over. But we go be back here Friday. Yes, yes, yes, we go watch this at 2:00 clock and let y' all know what's going on, what we see, what we hear from it, what. What. What triggers our thoughts and what our thoughts are and why. And we go be right back here.

[Joe Hayden]

Catch y' all on Friday, baby.

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