Deebo & Joe - SNF REACTION: Steelers ROASTED by Chargers, Browns lose to Jets, NFL MVP Predictions

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe: SNF REACTION — Steelers Roasted by Chargers, Browns Lose to Jets, NFL MVP Predictions

Date: November 10, 2025
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Theme & Purpose

This episode dives deep into the fallout from NFL Sunday Night Football, centering on the Pittsburgh Steelers’ lopsided loss to the Chargers, the Cleveland Browns’ special-teams filled defeat to the Jets, and a rapid-fire tour of the biggest headline games from around the league. Deebo and Joe break down the good, the ugly, and the hilarious in their signature, passionate, unfiltered style, leaning into personal team frustrations, questionable playcalling, and MVP talk. Their analysis blends former-player know-how with die-hard fan energy.

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Steelers vs. Chargers: What Went Wrong?

Opening Frustrations

• Both hosts come in raw and emotional after their teams’ rough weekends, commiserating over the Steelers’ loss and the Browns’ woes.
• Shared joy at the Ravens' win being a mutual negative for their teams.
  • "Y’all lost, which is a good thing, but we lost, which is a bad thing. And the Ravens won, which is... bad for both of us." (Debo, 02:09)

Pittsburgh’s Offensive Struggles

• The Steelers' first drive set the tone: false start, behind the sticks, constant offensive pressure.
• Missed opportunities: even with decent starting field position, routine plays turned into struggles.
• Recurring theme: high/errant passes and drops, especially targeting DK Metcalf.
  • "We gotta make that throw. We have to make that. He’s open. He’s wide open. Even if you give him a chance... That’s a vet play." (Joe, 04:26)
• Field goals instead of touchdowns; kicker’s streak ends.
  • "He made 16 in a row until this... You can’t make ‘em all." (Joe, 08:50)

O-line Woes & Quarterback Issues

• Protection problems; Aaron Rodgers constantly pressured.
• "We was trash. Aaron played the worst that he has played probably his whole career." (Debo, 29:43)
• Noted: O-line let through too much, resulting in high throws, sacks, and general disarray.
• Lack of #2 receiver means DK faces double coverage all game.
  • "We ain't got no... We need a real life [number two]." (Debo, 32:49)

Defensive Analysis

• Occasional defensive stands—5 sacks and several pass breakups.
• Yet, big plays surrendered: missed tackles, blown coverages, and chunk yardage on critical downs.
• Issues with eye discipline in coverage; pointing out DBs looking at the QB rather than sticking tight to their man.
  • "He should be driving his man right there. We should not be seeing his eyes. He’s looking at the quarterback—like, no, that's your man!" (Debo, 16:01)

Emotional Recap

• Deebo's blunt anger offset by Joe's search for positives, leading to classic banter:
  • "There you go again, Joe. You looking for the silver lining. Ain’t no silver lining. We lost." (Debo, 33:58)
• Both hosts agree: severe issues for the Steelers' O, marginally better (not great) defensive effort.
• Notable stat drops:
  • "Rogers was 16 of 31 for 161 yards. That don’t happen." (Debo, 29:46)
  • "2-of-11 on third [down], I don’t even think we completed a third down until the third quarter." (Debo, 29:45)

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Browns vs. Jets: Special Teams Disaster, Missed Opportunities

Start-to-Finish Chaos

• Browns give up a 99-yard kickoff touchdown and a big punt return—all before their defense even gets time to rest.
  • "Before I could finish celebrating my touchdown, we kicked the ball off and they run it back 99 yards." (Joe, 36:58)
• Early deficit snowballs: Browns' D forced into crisis mode; offense inconsistent with penalties and failed fourth-down attempts.
• "Bro, we gave up 14 [points] without the defense being on the field." (Joe, 50:00)

Game Within the Game

• Browns get brief hope with Dylan Gabriel at QB, but long-term doubts remain ("when he throws his ball, it looked like he almost threw his shoulder out of his socket" — Joe, 40:36).
• Defensive pride evident, but still surrendering crucial 42-yard screen for a TD.
  • "That defense, just the field. Go ahead, throws a screen pass that goes 42 yards… They can't give up nothing." (Joe, 43:12, 43:58)
• Clutch discussion: late-game discipline issues, critical flags.
• "Who allows themselves to jump off sides on fourth and four when you know they're not even going to run a play?" (Debo, 48:14)

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Around the League: Rapid Fire Reactions

Detroit Lions: "Masterful" Dominance

• Complete dismantling of the Commanders; 536 total yards, every possession a score until the final kneel-down.
• Impressive RB duo — Gibbs (142 rush, 30 rec, 2 TDs), Montgomery—unstoppable.
• Dan Campbell takes over play-calling to boost explosiveness.
  • "When they got over there in Detroit, what they coaches is doing, how they do it, how they operate to it. Dude, it is masterful." (Debo, 51:12)
• No ego, all teamwork.
  • "Nobody's worried about who gets the credit. Long as we win is… it’s no ego." (Debo, 53:11)

Colts vs. Falcons (Germany): MVP Chatter for Taylor

• Jonathan Taylor: jaw-dropping 32 for 244 rushing, 42 receiving.
  • "Definitely an MVP conversation." (Debo, 54:54)
• Concerns: too much offense through one player, risky for playoff run.
  • "That’s a lot of offense going through one person, and a lot of the time, that’s what you’re seeing." (Debo, 56:27)

Bills vs. Dolphins: Miami Upset

• Dolphins surprise with high energy, but doubts about their consistency.
  • "I don’t know what to think of the Dolphins no more, man. I don’t. Up, down… just can’t consistently do it." (Debo, 58:44)
• McDaniel’s playful trolling of Bills Mafia a highlight (see image joke, 58:25).

Cowboys, Patriots, Rams & More

• Cowboys stomp the Cardinals; DeMarcus Lawrence runs wild (two fumble return TDs).
  • "That game was over with before it even started, bruh." (Debo, 60:37)
• Patriots: love for rookie Drake May’s poise — “making those in-the-face throws, money throws under pressure.” (Debo, 61:17)
• Rams hammer the 49ers; Matthew Stafford’s steady rise in MVP hype.
  • "He's a candidate to be in that MVP discussion for sure." (Debo, 65:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Steelers’ Loss:
  "We was trash. Aaron played the worst that he has played probably his whole career." (Debo, 29:43)
  "There you go again, Joe. You looking for the silver lining. Ain’t no silver lining. We lost." (Debo, 33:58)

• On Team Shortcomings:
  "We're not good enough to drop open passes." (Joe, 32:28)
  "We ain't got no 2 [receiver]. We need a real." (Debo, 32:49)

• On Detroit’s Team Culture:
  "Nobody's worried about who gets the credit. Long as we win..." (Debo, 53:11)

• On Live Show Possibilities:
  "My live reactions may not be conducive..." (Debo, 66:49)
  "We could do it with a delay..." (Joe, 67:18)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Steelers/Chargers breakdown: 01:40–30:57
• Browns/Jets reaction: 34:41–50:13
• Lions coaching/masterclass: 51:06–54:23
• Jonathan Taylor MVP and Germany game: 54:44–57:13
• Bills/Dolphins, Cowboys win, Patriots praise: 57:26–62:55
• Rams/49ers & Stafford MVP talk: 63:47–65:43
• Viewer Questions, Live Show Chat, Wrap-Up: 66:05–68:50

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Episode Flow & Tone

The episode is a lively postgame barbershop—a mix of tactical breakdowns, emotional vents, friendly roasting, and ex-player wisdom. Both hosts keep it candid, sometimes raw, but never lacking in insight or humor. This is essential listening for any fan wanting to ride the NFL rollercoaster with guys who have lived both the highs and the lows.

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For listeners seeking a comprehensive, unfiltered NFL Sunday breakdown with special focus on the Steelers, Browns, and league MVP rumblings, this episode delivers energy, knowledge, and laughs in equal measure.

Transcript

[Debo]

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

Welcome back to Devo and Joe. I'm your host, James Devo Harrison. I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe]

I'm doing id, boys. I'm doing all right, man. It was tough. It was tough. It was a tough weekend to watch football, my brother. I ain't gonna lie to you. It was a lot of bad ball going on out there.

[Debo]

A lot of.

[Joe]

A lot of things. A lot of things to be talked about, honestly. Yeah. Yeah.

[Debo]

Yeah, for sure. Y'. All. Y' all lost, which is a good thing, but we lost, which is a bad thing. And the Ravens won, which is.

[Joe]

Which is a bad thing for us.

[Debo]

It's a bad thing for. Yeah, it's a bad thing for both of us.

[Joe]

We can mutually agree on that.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Joe]

So which one. We're gonna get to jump into this.

[Debo]

Let's jump into this. The other thing right now, man. Okay, so we go ahead. We get down to everything. You know, I'm thinking, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. All right. Get the rock. We actually get good field position. We start off with the ball. You know, I think we like it to 40 because they. They messed up the. You know, they messed up the kick.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

And then before the first night, we get a false start.

[Joe]

First play the guy. First play the game, we get a false start. Okay, Just get behind the sticks.

[Debo]

Next two plays, we get a three yard and an eight yard, which would have been a first down if we hadn't. If we hadn't got that. Got that offside, got that false start, you know.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

And then of course, we get pressured on the third down. He got. Was really pressured all night. He got to make some maneuvers, and we don't get it, we punt the ball. Yes. Chargers get out there. Hey, first play, we stuffed the run, dude.

[Joe]

Hey, popping off, popping off, bro.

[Debo]

The second play, we get some pressure. Highsmith get up in there and what we do, we tackled the catch immediately.

[Joe]

Echoes, echoes. You see that, bro? They was running up, hitting. You catch the ball, you get tackled instantly.

[Debo]

No question. We get a third down, incompletion. They punt the ball.

[Joe]

Good defense.

[Debo]

No question. I'm good. I'm good with all that. Even if he had made that. Hey, you sitting there. You ready to go, T? He would tackle the cat.

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I ain't tripping.

[Debo]

Yeah, we. We get him to punt the ball. Dude shanks the ball again. Like he shanks this one. This time, like the punter shanks. I think we get it at like the. Like the. What, 45 or something like that. 46.

[Joe]

Yes, 45. 45 yard line.

[Debo]

Yo, we go out there, third down, he just misses DK. Of course he's pressured again. He's having to run around, move around.

[Joe]

But we gotta make that.

[Debo]

We gotta make it.

[Joe]

We gotta make that throw. We have to make that. He's open. He's wide open. Even if you give him a chance, we can't overthrow is Deba with number two, the safety. He's running behind him, chasing. That's a vet play. We need a rod. Like a lot of those passes. He knows we gotta hit that, we gotta hit that.

[Debo]

No question. We end up selling it for three. We get the boss.

[Joe]

59.

[Debo]

59, bro. We get that right there. No issue, bro. Charges get back out there. And then on the second down, they get a gain of nine. Cause we missed the tackles. So that puts them in a situation where I think third and fourth down, they do two quarterback sneaks. It's kind of hard to stop that yard. I understand. Yeah. And then they run the ball again. That first down, Boom. We stuffed that thing, man. We get the third down. And I thought nephew had me.

[Joe]

Nephew was.

[Debo]

We don't. We don't capitalize on it. That's cool, though. We. We get them up out of there. We.

[Joe]

They gotta punt.

[Debo]

They gotta hunt the Rock, dude. No issue. Still, let's get the ball the first play, bro. It's a negative run.

[Joe]

Like, yo lost it too. They in our back.

[Debo]

Hey, what is going. You, Washington, bro. You 300 pounds and you in motion. You let this man totally stop. You push you back and then use his back to make the tackle. You got to get him up out of there. You got to get him up out of there. Third down, you got to. They pressure us again. They pressing us in four, man. Bro, like, we got lucky on that third that he was able to fall down on that thing and just.

[Joe]

And it wasn't the touchdown. Yeah, no, for sure. And that's the only. And the lineman knocked the ball out of his hand. But we gotta just. We can't. We can't. That a safety. Come on. That's points. This is what I'm saying. Defense isn't even out on the field and we're giving up. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's.

[Debo]

Come on, man, it's cool. It's still 3:2, you know. Go ahead, kick the ball to him. We back out there on defense. Little short run, you know, on the first down, I think we pressured. We was pressing him all night, to be honest with you. He scrambled for about three or something like that. And then they got a false start. And the next third down, pressuring him again. He ends up throwing it behind. If the money. If the pass was on the, you know, money, he might have got it. He still had somebody there to make the tackle. I wasn't tripping. They get an incompletion, we get the rock.

[Joe]

That was good.

[Debo]

I'm gonna get to that too, brother. So still, let's get the Rock back, right? Okay, first play, we get 19 to DK. Okay. All right. The second one, Washington Gone's head. He makes a nice catch too, like. Oh, yeah, it's great. Then on the first down, we get a run. Jalen, I think, hit for about nine and then the next one. He got the first down on that. And the preceding first down, we hit fire move. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Like, I'm. We're moving, like. And then we get a 7 yard gain. Erase for a holding penalty. Ain't. Ain't happy about it, but, hey, self inflicted. Self inflicted. But then we get the. I think we get the 18 yard catch, but it's reviewed. We see they called it incomplete, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

And that's another play. That's another pass.

[Debo]

When I'm telling you all night.

[Joe]

Why in the hell we need to make those? These are. These are simple completions. These are simple completion that we're talking about. Debo. I'm not asking for the craziest. I'm not asking for. You know what I'm saying? Squeezing in a little window if he's wide open. These are layups. These are layups. These are routes on air.

[Debo]

These are.

[Joe]

These are routes that you hope that you can see. You know what I'm saying? Like that you wish for this. Just drop it in a bucket. Don't over. You know what I'm saying? Like, these are the passes where I'm like, man, he's right there. He should be able to walk into the end zone. There should be 14 points that we should have as offense instead.

[Debo]

No, not it. We attempt a field goal and for the first time in a long time.

[Joe]

16 in a row he made until this. And that's my good man. I'm not.

[Debo]

No question, I'm not. Hey, man, listen, you can't make more.

[Joe]

You can't be 100%.

[Debo]

God. So we still upgrade. He should.

[Joe]

He shouldn't have been in that situation. I know, Debo, but at the same time, when you think about just things that are left on the table so much on the bone and this simple stuff on the bone, like big plays that are just like. No, we could have.

[Debo]

Boom.

[Joe]

Had DK for that floater joint. That would have been a touchdown right here. John Smith wide open. He could have just, you know what I'm saying, just hit him right there. He's wide open. Nobody's in a place where you got to throw the ball that damn high.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, he was, he was. For some reason. I don't know why he was throwing high all night though. Like, like, like when you go back and you, you just looking at it, The Chargers get the ball back. You know, they move it down on a couple passes and then they get the big like 11 yard run. Yo, what is 95 doing, man? He is back there three yards before he gets off his block. Why are you as a D lineman three yards deep over there? And that's the play we lose Slay. That's the same play.

[Joe]

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. It was like. It was.

[Debo]

Come on, man.

[Joe]

That was the, that was the first explosive. Because on this drive, like you said, this is the first time we started getting hit. Defense was standing up until when they missed that field Goal. They got to that position. They started. He finally, like we said, he. What's my man's name? Herbert wasn't doing nothing. They only had. He was like. At this point, he had 14 yards passing.

[Debo]

We lose slay on that play, man. What's 42? Hey, he lucky he ain't get a penalty on that play.

[Joe]

Oh, hey, I love Pierre. Pierre was out there making plays. He was out there tackling, hitting. You know what I'm saying, pbus? Yeah, but he could have. He lived, buddy.

[Debo]

Yes, buddy. Yes. Yes. He dumped him. He did. He dabs next. First down, Herbert. Get in there and get a sack.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

I'm loving that. The set, dude. Second down.

[Joe]

This one. This one echoes. Yes. Bad eyes.

[Debo]

What are they looking at, bro? What is it? What is that, man? Or am I just. I'm. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. What's going on? Like, that's.

[Joe]

Man, and that's the same thing I was trying to tell you about. That's eye discipline. You need to be looking at your bag. You need to be looking at your coverage. That's. That's like.

[Debo]

Dude goes to break and it's like they. Like where, where, where quarterback.

[Joe]

No, because when he breaks on them, that's when the cornerbacks looks like that. That's when you're looking at the quarterback hoping to improve. He doesn't throw it to your man. And it happens to be. Oh, he was open and he ended up going another way. That's what it is. He needs to look at his man. He needs to be on his luggage. That's what it is, D. So that. That was just. He was. He made some really good plays. And I'm not going to knock, but there's certain plays when you don't perform. But I'm gonna. I gotta point him out. Which just like it's. That's what it is, right, dude?

[Debo]

They get 16 on that. We're able to, you know, get some pressure. We're able to stop them. And we missed another opportunity right there, where the ball slipped. The dude's hands. He could have scooped. Didn't get that. They end up attempting the field goal. They get the field goal. Now we down. What is it? Five? Three? Okay.

[Joe]

By three.

[Debo]

We get the ball back. The first down, we get sacked. Yeah. Poor man.

[Joe]

But almost. Not.

[Debo]

But put him to sleep, dude.

[Joe]

Almost put him asleep.

[Debo]

Didn't even drop his head. Almost put him asleep on accident.

[Joe]

Yes. You saw that.

[Debo]

Yes, for sure. For sure. Third down. Roger misses it. Short it was longer short dude. Longer short. Longer short dude. I ain't never seen him have a game this bad, man.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, that was. That was. That was a great play by the DB too. He got.

[Debo]

Dude, it's either long or short. I don't. Anyway, man, we punt the Rock.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Again, the first play they would actually staying ahead of the change. What was that thing called? The ratio. Success ratio. A lot of first downs on the success they got.

[Joe]

But. But they got a first.

[Debo]

They did.

[Joe]

They went first down.

[Debo]

Somebody was out of their gap. Some. Somebody was definitely out of their gap. Okay. And then. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. After that when we stood up.

[Debo]

And then the second down we got like a holding penalty or something and 95 actually goes ahead and I think he made a sack on that one. So he went on here. He tried to make up but I mean if you had just not got three yards deep on that one, we might still have slay. We end up making them punt. Oh, whatever. You know, Steelers get back out there in the second play, do a high pass. Aaron throws a pick at our 38. Bro. What are we doing?

[Joe]

So that's what I'm saying. This is the same thing it was. You see how the way that that linebacker when they. It was like an exchange. He tried to throw it over the linebacker and in between the safety high ball. You can't throw that. That was just good defense by the Chargers and a bad ball high again like you say, either high or short. But like that was.

[Debo]

We.

[Joe]

We can't be making those turnovers. Those just bad balls by a rod. And he knows it. And that you're not. That's not winning football. Not winning football.

[Debo]

No. Chargers get the rock back. First play. Strike off eight yards again. That. That. That. That success rate thing that. That we was talking about.

[Joe]

First.

[Debo]

Yeah. The next. The next first down, they end up getting a seven yard pass because of what missed tackles. We missed the tackle. Like they staying ahead of the change. Like. And it's not like they're doing anything great. You know what I'm saying? Like the next first down we get a great pass breakup. Like that was a great. Like he went in there, got the hand in there. Got it up out of there.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Was Bo. Yeah. Great. Great timing, bro. Great play.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

For.

[Debo]

For the most part. Most of the DBs played better then lad. McConkey. McConkey. Dude, McConkie.

[Joe]

Yes, bro.

[Debo]

He. He had. What are we looking at the same thing again? Are they taught the same thing? When he go to break, see where the Quarterback at.

[Joe]

Same thing. No, no, no, no, no. Same thing, same thing. And on. On this one. On this one, I would like to say that was just terrible at the top of the route, you know what I'm saying? He routed him. He gave him the jug. So he looking at the quarterback again. That's your man. You have to go to him. Same time we got the new db, so it's like a cut. So we saw the linebacker. Queen took the other guy. They're running straight drag routes, so Queen took his guy. We need him to kind of fall off and help him on that. On that route, but at the same time, echoes. That's your man. You need to have a little bit of inside help. That's what you want to force him inside, but you're not. You're not covering him. Once he jugged you, you're standing there looking at the quarterback.

[Debo]

That's your. Yes, yes.

[Joe]

That's exactly what he was looking at, Debo. So that was legit, man. And he needs to have somebody can fall off and give him a little more help on the inside.

[Debo]

But, dude, we just gotta be close enough. We gotta make attack.

[Joe]

You gotta be close.

[Debo]

Gotta be with me. I was always told not look until you can reach and touch him with your hand. And he. That's.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. He should be driving his man right there. We should not be seeing his eyes. He's looking at the quarterback like, no, that's your man. You need to be driving your coverage. That's what you taught. Like, bad eyes. He should be. They're going to be taking films of him looking at the quarterback. I'm.

[Debo]

I was.

[Joe]

I was taking some screenshots to send to you to be like this. This is like he's watching tv. He's sitting there watching the quarterback throw the ball to his man.

[Debo]

Yes. That put us down 12 to 3. Now, Steelers come back out there, they. They get a couple plays, do nothing. Hell, we almost get a pick. I think we had a drop pass, too.

[Joe]

Drop. Calvin Austin dropped the slant just in the. In. In the hands. That and that.

[Debo]

You. So in the half, 12, three. I'm just like, all right, cool it. I mean, it could have been far better. It actually could have been worse.

[Joe]

You know, it could have been way worse.

[Debo]

Chargers get the ball, you know, in the. You know, in the second. So first play, it's a false start, but we turn around and give it right back to him with all sides. Right back. We stuffed the run. You know what I'm Saying. Then we stuff the run.

[Joe]

P.J.

[Debo]

Passed the ball. Yep. We get a. We get a. What is it?

[Joe]

Was it third and eight?

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

That was a little. They hit us with a little.

[Debo]

Right.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

Ain't tripping. I ain't tripping. That. That happens.

[Joe]

I ain't tripping. I was. Yes. Again.

[Debo]

Yes. We. We stuffed the run on the first down, second down. Another nice press break.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Debo]

Question, bro. And then close it out. He was third down, set. Yes. That's what we do. They punt. The Rock coming in, See a quarterback crying, bro, he could grab you however he wants. You like, shut up, man.

[Joe]

Like, he grabbed. Bro. You can get ganked up by here. Something like it. Like it was the.

[Debo]

Anyway, I don't. I don't even care nothing about that. Anyway. Still. Let's get the Rock back.

[Joe]

Anyway.

[Debo]

Hey. That first down front? Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, What'd he do?

[Debo]

Boy looked like he was doing high hurdles out there.

[Joe]

He. Bro. Smooth, too.

[Debo]

Inside, yo. Then we get to the third down, we get sacked again. Four, man. Four. Yep. Ain't. They ain't even blitzing us, man. They ain't even listening.

[Joe]

Third. Third.

[Debo]

Yes. Ain't even blitzing us, bro. We gotta punt the Rock. We get back out there. Defense gotta hold. We gotta hold. What the. What? What the first play, this.

[Joe]

That's the same way.

[Debo]

What? 18. Next play, they get 12 again. Who's 95? Benton. What's his name? He four yards deep again at the end of the plate. Clap his head. Clap your hands for what you should.

[Joe]

Gotta make.

[Debo]

Gotta make the play. Can't sitting back.

[Joe]

Gotta make the play.

[Debo]

It's like we got a D lineman playing midway in between the linebackers and the D line.

[Joe]

You say he getting pushed back?

[Debo]

Getting pushed. Matt. He was four yards deep before he got off the ball, before he got off the block. The other one, where Slay got hurt, it was about three yards.

[Joe]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. I. I thought you was talking about. He was penetrating and then running past. He getting pushed backwards.

[Debo]

He was getting pushed back.

[Joe]

Okay. Okay.

[Debo]

Then they got another run of eight. Herbert come through, though. He get that tackle for a loss. Hey, he made that play. Gave him that. You think I'm gonna have to go out, but I don't come to it. Cam come through with a Paul PBU for Cam. We able to hold him. We able to hold him to a field goal. It's 3 to 15. I ain't even lie right now. I ain't really feeling.

[Joe]

I'm not Feeling at all. I'm glad the defense is still able to like not be. But don't bring. Not trying to give up no touchdowns. But on the off, inside the ball. We gotta do something we need.

[Debo]

We go out there, do three and nothing, you know, we out of there. Chargers get back out there. They move it a little down. We ain't got no. I mean we ain't got nobody looking at him. He gone. What do you do? 15. He got 15 on that scramble.

[Joe]

I think it was third and four. What is it? Third and 14. I think he got like 12. He got 12.

[Debo]

Yeah. I don't know what it was. Anyway, dude, we ended up, I think getting. Getting a holding call. They held us.

[Joe]

Sorry.

[Debo]

They held us and then. Yes, Highsmith come through for us on the second. Second down, get the sack. Okay. They. They ended up having to, you know, attempt to field goal. They missed the field goal. I'm feeling a little optimistic, but not really angry. Like I'm just, I'm trying to see something come from the offense that'll give me some, some hope, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

And we're hoping because we have good.

[Debo]

Field position and we got a whole fourth quarter.

[Joe]

They just missed that 45 yard line. Let's go.

[Debo]

Yeah, so we can still get through. Rock. I think Warren went for about 11.

[Joe]

Boom.

[Debo]

11. That was okay. Cool that next proceeding first down. Hit Fryer. Fire.

[Joe]

Move.

[Debo]

Almost another first by nine.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Warren gets the little and breaks tackles. Get 18 on them.

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Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

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[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Third down, we get pressured again. We get a high pass. Fourth down. I don't know what we were thinking. Just trying to hope DK can make a play. Like they were over top of this dude all day. He always had two. Man, we need another receiver. He always.

[Joe]

That's what you said. That's what you said to. We. We skipped up on the third down on the high pass. Hey, like, dude, he.

[Debo]

He flinched, bro. They just. They just blend together.

[Joe]

The. The one. I mean, it was just. Again, it was just another bad habit. He just. And he flinched on him like he was standing right there. A game where it was wide open. You gotta just deliver that. Do you know what I'm saying? He flinched and then threw the joint all high in the air like that's not a rod. Those aren't.

[Debo]

Oh no. We ain't gonna get a performance like this again. That gotta be his worst game in his career ever.

[Joe]

No, gotta be.

[Debo]

We turned the ball over and then.

[Joe]

And then turn the ball over. Then it was the bad. Then like you said, the DK Metcalf ball. That's a bullet fade ball. If that's dk, at least give him a little back. Shoulder in the air to your big man, like he threw the joint on the line, you know?

[Debo]

I don't even think that would have mattered, dude. It was like two, three other people over there. We just. We were just shooting up for hope and a prayer, man.

[Joe]

I know, I know, but God damn charges.

[Debo]

Get the rock back, dude. I think they went 15 on the first play. We missed tackles. And then third down. Oh, man, we done let.

[Joe]

We didn't let him, man. The man.

[Debo]

We didn't let this man go. 58 on him.

[Joe]

McConkey. And this is. That was man to man. He was right there. He was right there.

[Debo]

Why put it in the pocket when that happens? What's the next thing you do? Short attacker, right?

[Joe]

Yes, yes. If you're not gonna. If you're not gonna. If you gotta go with the left hand and at least have the right hand just in case you miss, right?

[Debo]

You put both of them in there and didn't get nothing around like this and didn't get nothing here and here or at least.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, no, no. For sure.

[Debo]

The. Yeah.

[Joe]

They can't. Can't do that. You gotta show up to tackle.

[Debo]

Next play, bro.

[Joe]

Hit you for 58.

[Debo]

I think they end up. What was it? 11 on the next play. And then he ran another one right after that. Touchdown. Game is over with, bro. It's 20 right there.

[Joe]

Turned to a three score game. Debo.

[Debo]

No, it's. It's 20. What? 20? 22 to 3 now.

[Joe]

22 to 3.

[Debo]

Steelers get back out there again. We get a tip pass. Interception.

[Joe]

Right in his hands, though.

[Debo]

Dang. Anyway, charges. Get out there. Still was able to force. It was a three and out with the help of a holding penalty. That punt the ball. They punt the ball to us, right? Yep, yep. We must have punt, bro. Why was. Why was dude standing there after he hit it like he was backing up trying, huh? You just hit the ball. That's live. Go get it.

[Joe]

Go get it. Instantly, instantly. Yes, yes, yes. He started trying looking cool once the ball already hit you. No, I don't know. That was crazy, dude.

[Debo]

It was like we just fell apart as soon as the fourth quarter hit. Like they end up defense able to stop or hold, you know? Yep. It's 20, 25, 3.

[Joe]

They was able to hold because, I mean, the field position. They could have got a field goal from there. So they went tackle for loss, tackle for loss, doing what they could. 30, 15.

[Debo]

Dude, it really don't matter from there, man. It's just trash time after that. We end up scoring a touchdown. It's.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

And game ends 25 to 10 or something. Dude like y that bro. Defense, Defense. We can definitely play better situationally for sure. We got to be able to. To hold up in the run game, period. We gotta play situationally better. When you get beat, it ain't nothing wrong with getting beat. But go ahead. Don't let him go ahead and get yak after it. Like when we had a. A good game all together. What. We sacked dude five times. I think he only had what, 2:25. 2:20 on 33 attempts. 115 rushing total. We only gave up 315, 314 yards as a whole. Defense, like, it was good, but we have to play situationally better. We can't let people get off those runs that we let them get off. Get off those passes, those big plays. The chunk plays, especially when the game is close like that. Like we can't do that. And they're like, why are you all on the defense? Because I played defense. The same reason. I'm pretty sure the defense will be on themselves. If you talk to any of those guys, they go beyond themselves. They know what they left out there. Everybody know what they left out there in the office. Yo was trash. We were super trash. We. We was trapped. Aaron played the worst that he has played probably his whole career. Okay. And he knows that like that would. He was pressured all night when he didn't, you know what I'm saying, Get pressured. We had high throws when, you know, he was able to get the ball to the receivers. We had drops like the old line is bad. Period. We need help, bruh. Like what do you. 2 of 11 on third. I don't even think we completed a. A third down to like the third quarter sometime dude like Rogers was 16 to 31 for 161 yards. That don't happen. And on top of that, there are six of 66. Six. Six completions for 66 yards. And a touchdown of that came at trash time. Other than that, got two picks, three sacks, pressured all night. What you. What you expect to happen? The Chargers defense ain't like that. They ain't like that. We need help. And it's too late. Too late to get help. Especially on the offense. It's too late.

[Joe]

Trade that line. I feel like what you said was correct, Debo. I think a rod. This might have been one of his worst games. Defensively, I wasn't as upset. Same thing you said too. You have to eliminate the big plays. The man to mans the eye disciplines the gouges. The run game we did good. But when we needed to do it most, like, we can't let them still get those 11 yard explosive runs. Winning on first down, being able to control the clock and hold the ball that long. I wasn't as mad at them though, because I mean, defense, they know what.

[Debo]

They had to do. They did better.

[Joe]

Stop that.

[Debo]

They did better.

[Joe]

They did a whole lot better. Make it not been, but don't break.

[Debo]

We got a 3, 4, 5, 6 turnovers to win a game. Come on, man.

[Joe]

That's. That's the part that I'm trying to get to you too. Where defense knows, like you said, them boys looking in the mirror, they can know. We can't let them. He shouldn't have had that, that type of rushing attack on them on the. On this day, you know what I'm saying? But the offense, how bad they played, brother, like that, that's not normal, you know what I'm saying? So defense, you still can go back and do better. But offense like dropping passes, wide open passes. A rod, we can't have you performing like this at all.

[Debo]

I don't expect him to perform like that again.

[Joe]

Me either. That's why we doing it.

[Debo]

That's why we just need to improve on the offensive side of the ball. Like we're good for sure. But that's not. That's not like four. Come on, man.

[Joe]

The dropping open passes. And not like we're not good enough to drop open passes. Like making the simple thing. I'm talking about, like, we're not asking you to go jump over somebody and make a head top. We're asking you to catch a slant ball. We're asking you to just, you know what I'm saying? Not drop that. And then a rod with this team that you have. We know we don't have. Like you said the other.

[Debo]

Like, we ain't got. We ain't got no. We ain't got no 2. We got. We need a real life.

[Joe]

No, we don't. Our two. Our two is Washington and, And Fire. And Fire.

[Debo]

Move over DK all night, dude, the safety actually just sat on that side a couple times. He ain't even trying disguise it.

[Joe]

No, no, for sure. I mean, because they know if you eliminate that deep, there's no other threat. For real.

[Debo]

We gonna run the ball. Hell no. We can't do that consistently to save our life.

[Joe]

No, no. And then we trying to get the ball out. That was.

[Debo]

That.

[Joe]

That was tough. But only reason why I'm not as mad though, because the defense, I was Joey Porter Jr. They stepped up. He didn't have any penalties. He was locked in. He made some pass breakups. He could have caught the pick, but, like, was in the right places making tackles, you know what I'm saying? So he. I love the way he stood up to the challenge. Jalen Ramsey out there performing, certain people are definitely. They're stepping up, but it's like.

[Debo]

It's not a defense. Certain people. It's a defensive team.

[Joe]

I know. I feel you. I feel you.

[Debo]

There you go again, Joe. You looking for the silver lining. Ain't no silver lining. We lost.

[Joe]

No, no, a thousand. But what you. What you gonna do? What you gonna do?

[Debo]

I'll be tripping.

[Joe]

You'll be tripping sometime.

[Debo]

I wouldn't go get mad either. I said. I. I said that to myself. I said, I ain't gonna get mad. I said, listen, defense play well. I said, yes, we could play six and duh. But I get into the conversation. I know why I get so emotional. I. You start building up angle, dude, I started spinning, like.

[Joe]

Yeah, you. You're really passionate, Debo, and I appreciate it. I appreciate the passion.

[Debo]

Let's talk about something good, man. The Browns lost. How'd y' all do?

[Joe]

Oh, my gosh, man.

[Debo]

What happened with the Browns? I ain't get a chance to watch it because I didn't see that. They only got. They got a negative 8 yard series on that first one. I didn't see that. What happened with the Browns? I know y' all lost. I know Cleveland got the ball first. And like I said, I didn't watch the game because I just didn't watch the game because I figured, you know, the first, you know, series, they went out there, they ended up with a total of negative 8 yards. But I didn't watch the game, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, the defense went out there, you know, and did a nice three and out, but.

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[Debo]

Go ahead.

[Joe]

Go ahead, Debo. So, yeah, that. The Browns game actually. It was actually crazy. I'm not gonna lie to you. We started off with the first play, like you said, running on the first play, you know, great start off the game. First down run, you know what I'm saying? Holding on the first play of the game, you can't make it up. Second play of the game, draw. You know what I'm saying? We get a quick, quick three and out.

[Debo]

How many yards are gain on that?

[Joe]

Not. Not a lot.

[Debo]

Negative 8, I think it was.

[Joe]

You want to.

[Debo]

Why you got.

[Joe]

Always stay specifics and then Browns defense, Browns defense goes out there and does exactly what they're supposed to do and what they normally do. They go out there, perform, get a quick ass three and out, you know what I'm saying? Do exactly. Jets out there looking crazy. So punt the ball.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Browns get the ball, right? And then this is the first draft. We start looking good, driving the ball down, you know what I'm saying? A couple of good passes, couple of good rounds. Dog pound, you know what I'm saying? Dog pound, stand up, get down, end up getting a touchdown. Touchdown.

[Debo]

Touchdown.

[Joe]

My man Dylan Gabriel throws a touchdown pass, you know what I'm saying? Little touchdown pass to. To my man Joku.

[Debo]

Let's get past that touchdown. What's next?

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no. We're gonna take our time on that. Oh, go seven zero. Because before I could finish celebrating my touchdown, we kicked the ball off and they run it back 99 yards.

[Debo]

I know. I know how to do that, too. I did 100. But go ahead.

[Joe]

They ran the jump. They ran the ball back on this Debo. 99 yards for a kickoff return. So it is now seven to seven.

[Debo]

Seven to seven. You know what's so crazy, Joe? Defense ain't even touched the field.

[Joe]

Defense touch the field one time, got. Oh, no, exactly. Didn't touch the field at all. And points on your head top.

[Debo]

Go ahead, Joe.

[Joe]

So that's not a good feeling as a defense, you know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

I know what it feel like, man, because. See that right there? That's how I ran that back on them boys. See that? The thing say pick six right there? Yeah. Here. See that right there? You see right there? Yeah, go ahead. Anyway, Joe. Go ahead, Joe.

[Joe]

So, yep, Browns get the ball back, you know what I'm saying? We get a first down, nice over route to Judy, you know, after the overall to Judy, kind of.

[Debo]

I ain't gonna lie. I think. I think. I think. I think y' all went like a three and out right there, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, we did, because we got. We got a. We got a false start. Yeah, look, we was ready to look.

[Debo]

You know, I didn't watch it, though. I'm just going. I think I saw it. I mean, I don't know. Go ahead. But what happened next, Joe?

[Joe]

I mean, no. 3 passes, 3 passes, 3 plays, 0 yards, and we punt. And when we punt, they run the punt back to Debo, both pump the. The kickoff return, then the pump.

[Debo]

What do you do?

[Joe]

So this. And look, we got a flag, too. So I'm Thinking at least it was going to be something on them. They're going to call it back.

[Debo]

What's up, y'?

[Joe]

All? They done gave us the pump return and we got the flag, so double wing.

[Debo]

Who down?

[Joe]

Fourteen. Seven to the Jets. And the. In the. In the. And our defense has been on the field for a total of three plays.

[Debo]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Okay, so that. That just not. It's not looking good. It's not feeling good.

[Debo]

What did Cleveland do when they get the ball back, though? I want to know.

[Joe]

We get a first down, you know what I'm saying? We don't just finish the drive. We get it.

[Debo]

I kind of heard that you might have went for it one time on like a fourth down, that next position.

[Joe]

No, we. We actually didn't go forward on four.

[Debo]

I thought you kind of.

[Joe]

It's even worse. We tried to go.

[Debo]

Yeah, that's what I heard.

[Joe]

We were about to go forward. It was 4 foot 2 and we get a flag, which drops us back to fourth and seven. And then we.

[Debo]

What'd you get a flag for? Hold on. Was it a false start?

[Joe]

Joe start. It was a false start, Debo. It's a. Yeah. Pre snap.

[Debo]

That's what I heard.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's just. Yeah, that's just not. Not, not. Not good.

[Debo]

Ball.

[Joe]

Undisciplined. Undisciplined football. We started getting a little bit of something going.

[Debo]

Yeah, okay. Misery love coming. You know that, right?

[Joe]

Yeah. Guess what, though. Then the Browns defense comes back out there and my man and. Cause you know what?

[Debo]

That's the Browns defense. You talk so much about that ball tip.

[Joe]

Browns defense. You know, Justin Field, he come out there and I'm thinking that he's. He's standing in the pocket, no pressure. He throws the ball full speed, hits Hickman right in between the three and the three.

[Debo]

Boom.

[Joe]

Pick. Instantly Brown's great field position. So now, okay, boom. The Browns defense puts them in great field position for the Browns offense to get out there. Little do you know, this is what I'm. And no, this is no disrespect. Dylan Gabriel comes out there, first play. Boom. Little scramble and he throws a 22 yard pass to. Touchdown to Judy. Right? I'm happy. I love it. But at the same time, I'm looking at Dylan Gabriel and when he throws his ball, and when he throws his.

[Debo]

Ball, I love it. Keeps it in.

[Joe]

A 22 yard pass and it looked like he almost threw his shoulder out of his socket. Like it did not look like. It looked like it was like a heaven from a 22 yard pass and they was like, oh, and he throws a dart. I'm like, that was no dime like that. It still was like. I'm just. It just doesn't look good. But I'm happy that he threw that. Touchdown passes. Now we had two touchdown passes. Okay, the score is tied.

[Debo]

Tied up now.

[Joe]

14.

[Debo]

Tied up. 14. We back even. We done. We.

[Joe]

We back.

[Debo]

Y' all done. I don't know why I keep saying we.

[Joe]

Thank you, Debo.

[Debo]

No, I was talking about. You can be in this.

[Joe]

You can be in this with me. Misery Love company. Misery Love.

[Debo]

Come. Listen, I want you to be miserable, too, because I. I didn't. I. I don't Went through my m. Join.

[Joe]

Join me, brother.

[Debo]

Listen, so go ahead.

[Joe]

It's back even.

[Debo]

14. 14. What did that vault. It Browns defense do when the jets got back out there?

[Joe]

They bended, but they did not break.

[Debo]

They cracked.

[Joe]

So they cracked. They cracked. They're a little kink in the armor, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, they did 11 plays, 64 yards. They really started. They. The run game. They started toting it. Bryce. Bryce was toting. He started getting a little involved. Okay, so that was. Was what? That was what it was. And then we ended up holding him to kick a field goal.

[Debo]

So y' all down now. Okay, you're down now. That vaulted defense gave up three points. I think they. I think they let him drive 64 yards to get there, too, but go ahead.

[Joe]

Yeah, they did. Oh, yeah, yeah. But that's. But come on, man. They've been balling out.

[Debo]

It's okay. It's okay.

[Joe]

One time. One. Okay, then what we get here, Cleveland.

[Debo]

You get the ball.

[Joe]

We get the ball back. Trying to drive. We get sacked. We get. Once, we get sacked on third and 17, we end up punting it. It's four for 26.

[Debo]

Joe, this is what happened. You end up tying it up at halftime.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, because. No, that we did. Then the jets got the ball back, we got another three and out.

[Debo]

That don't matter. That don't matter. That don't matter. You go in halftime 17 7, y' all actually get a field goal. Okay. It's okay, Joe. It's okay. Bro.

[Joe]

I can't stand. Listen, I can't stand it.

[Debo]

So it's okay. You can't hold on to it the whole time. You can't hold on to it the whole time. Okay? So you get back out there and you know what you do in the third quarter? Y' all do nothing.

[Joe]

You do Absolutely nothing.

[Debo]

Nobody does anything until a nice short little pass. What happened, Joe? Go ahead. I'll let you take off from there. I think it was about 42 yards. I didn't watch it, though. I didn't watch it, though. I didn't watch it, though. I didn't watch it.

[Joe]

They're doing nothing. They're not pissing a drop. That V defense, just the field. Go ahead, throws a screen pass that goes 42 yards for a touchdown pass. That. Yeah, that, that. I mean, Debo, the man threw for 42 yards in the whole game. They gave up one touchdown pass. I'm not as like, okay, like, what do you want? They really. They can't give up nothing.

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[Debo]

I mean, situationally, you should stand up there.

[Joe]

Situation.

[Debo]

I'm just saying vault defense is times when you got to stand up, you know, that's one of them.

[Joe]

They was on the sideline and 14 points was good.

[Debo]

Hey, I told you. That's why I told you. We. We back even halftime, everybody. Zero. Zero. Put in your work. Yep. They put it work.

[Joe]

You're right. They shouldn't have gave up a school. They shouldn't have gave up a school. When you on the team. When you're on the team like this and you fighting for your life and you trying to get wins, you can't give up nothing. You can't give up nothing.

[Debo]

2417. Who up?

[Joe]

Well, who you think is up, Debo? We up the Jets. The Jets. The jets up. Browns get the ball, man. Kick off. They get down there, don't really do too much or nothing.

[Debo]

Hey, I think I'm. I'm hearing something about. What'd you say? What the football guys say? They say they. They went for a fourth and one. What happened on that fourth and one, Joe? Joe, are you there? Joe?

[Joe]

No, Joe, I'm losing. I'm losing you.

[Debo]

Oh. Oh. I think somebody got sacked, turned over on downs. I don't know. I'm just hearing this from the universe. Bring it to me because I didn't watch it. Yes. I'm just hearing this.

[Joe]

Long story short, Deebo, let's just get to the gritty. We end up getting the ball back.

[Debo]

They get.

[Joe]

They get a field goal.

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[Debo]

Let'S talk about that vaulted defense at the end. Let's talk about that that defense that vaulted Brown's defense that couldn't stand Mental.

[Joe]

Mental. No. Yeah, it's mental errors. Devon we got a we get a holding call and then we get a false start just to hit us where it really hurts. Even though we're down 7 with a chance to get the ball back and at least see what can happen. But we don't even get a chance because of two third two extended Flags on third down, which don't even let us go out there. So it was just bad. It was just bad. It was bad.

[Debo]

Who allows themselves to jump off sides on fourth and four when you know.

[Joe]

They'Re not even going to run a play? Who, Who, Who? That's. That's okay. That's discipline.

[Debo]

Okay. It's okay. But you know, Stevanski says, hey, I am going to stick with my quarterback.

[Joe]

You know, I mean, I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm geek because, I mean, I don't want your daughter to go in and have to play the Ravens his first game. So it's gonna. That I'm rooting for my man. Nope, nope, nope.

[Debo]

I don't care what team you want him to play, Joe.

[Joe]

Not the Ravens.

[Debo]

Not right now.

[Joe]

Not the Ravens. Who they play after?

[Debo]

The Ravens. Boy, Cleveland got issues over there. The whole special team sold. You know what I'm saying? They sold it out for them boys.

[Joe]

That was. It's just. Look, Deebo, sometimes, and it's not even like special teams has never been like, my man Bubba Ventrone is the coach. They've never been that. They're not that bad. It's just when, when it rains, it pours. We don't find something that's going to get. That's going to happen that was going to end up being bad. So it's not like we're trying. They're not trying to lose. The dudes aren't trying. And I don't think that the special teams is that bad. But on these, on particular games, we're going to find a way to lose to the Jets. When Justin fields throws for 42 yards and they rush for. They have a total of 169 yards total offense. The defense, like only a couple of plays, like we said, like they ran in a couple and like ended up getting. You're going to make plays because you're a professional team, but we going to find a way to somehow lose. We gave up 14 without the defense being on the field. They gave up 13 points as a defense. You know what I'm saying? While we were out there.

[Debo]

Yeah, I understand, Joe. When you're out there, you gotta, you know, you gotta do it.

[Joe]

You got his own.

[Debo]

Okay, man, I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you get out of this misery and I'm gonna let you talk about somebody, some other people's miseries, man. So the Lions went on out there and you know, they, they went on head and dog walked them boys over There the command us. That was crazy. They scored on every possession. But last one where they knelt down, bro. Gibbs was 142 Russian plus 30 more receiving two tugs. Hell, my dude. David Montgomery, he added another 71. They was 226 total rushing. Golf went on ahead, was 25 for 323 tugs. I think he was like 135, 136 quarterback rating. And then remember when the OC said he felt like he was doing a disservice to Williams because he wasn't using him better, Right?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

He went on here and Dan said, I'm gonna take over the play call and just give it a little different feel. That boy went out there six for 119. Whoa. And ain't nobody mad. Ain't nobody upset. Ain't nobody in their feelings. They don't care about who gets the credit as long as we win that over there. When they got over there in Detroit, what they coaches is doing, how they do it, how they operate to it. Dude, it is masterful, dude. Yes, it is masterful. And then you got, hey, this dude goes and punches St. Brown. Are you out of your mind, dude?

[Joe]

Are you out of.

[Debo]

You just got yourself suspended for a game. And like, I don't even care about the like. Like the punch. Like, okay, like you could have broke your whole hand been done. Like, I'm not losing it to where I'm gonna actually take a punch at a helmet.

[Joe]

He threw that joint like he was trying to sneak buddy and not get out.

[Debo]

He threw him. He tried to get to the chin too. I tried to hit him in his chin. He tried to get to the. I was chin, bruh.

[Joe]

Bro, that was crazy. You have a tale of two different franchises and situations going on right there. Like, the way that the Lions are moving is unbelievable. Love to see it. Golf, the running game, everybody like Brown. You see the dudes blocking too, like Williams.

[Debo]

And he.

[Joe]

The way that the coach, like you said, you want to play for a coach like that that's going out there and be like, no, I need to get my dude the ball. He wasn't complaining. And next thing you know, he feeds him because he knows he's a baller and it could make our team successful. And it's going to feed and it's going to make my man good. So vibes is on a thousand over there. They're moving the ball just the. Everything, the running game, the linemen, the receivers, the quarterback, everything. The. The coaching staff, the defense, they're flying around. Everybody looks like they're enjoying it.

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[Joe]

They're playing for each other. You don't see no. Everybody.

[Debo]

Nobody's worried about who gets the credit. Long as we win is. Dude, it's no ego.

[Joe]

It's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing. And the way that the coach, man, they talk about, man, I go ahead and take over the play calling. 536 total yards. They just moving it.

[Debo]

Yeah, that was. And like he said, it wasn't like I was just calling. Played for myself. Yes. I was still getting input for the oc. I was getting input from other guys. Like we wanted to try something different. Get again. It worked. Yeah. What are we talking about? I Hey, I like how they do it over there. I think a lot more people should look into it, see how they do it and try and approach it the same way. All the way from how they do with what they do with their players to how they hire their coaches. The coaches being former players that played in the positions that they're coaching so that you have automatic buy in and nobody's worried about who's getting the credit because at the end of it, long as we winning, everybody's going to have success. And that's how you get other people out and you get your coaching tree bigger. And everything else, though. Mm.

[Joe]

1,000% they doing it the right way.

[Debo]

Let's get over here to Germany, man. Is that Germany that we was at? Yes, sir. The coach, they beat the Falcons 35. No, 31 to 25 in overtime. You know, I played in Germany. Ryan fired. Dusseldorf, Germany. NFL Europe. Yeah, bro. Yeah. I'm have to. I'm have to show you. I'm have to show you that sooner or later.

[Joe]

But yeah, no, send me.

[Debo]

Taylor went crazy, bro. That boy was 32 for 244. Russian.

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[Debo]

Russian. And added another 42 receiving bruh. Out of control. Definitely an MVP conversation.

[Joe]

Thousand percent. He had to get them yards back from when the Stillers man stood. We ain't getting none. He had to. He had to average. He had to balance it out.

[Debo]

Oh, no question. Had a couple receivers. I think had almost 100. I think Pierce had 84. Warren had like 99. And then Taylor was the third highest rushing receiver, sorry, receiving receiver in the. In the game. 519. 520 yards of total offense, bro. Like, this is a good thing and a bad thing, bro. Like, you won the game 31 to 25 in overtime, but your running back had to throw up almost 360 yards. By itself. And you still got in there and had to go overtime to get it done. Like, that's good and bad. That's a lot of offense going through one person.

[Joe]

Man. I just love the fact that. I mean, you got him on your team. He's the bell cow. You just knowing you got that.

[Debo]

I understand. But it's the Falcons. It ain't like you was playing something, man.

[Joe]

They tried to. Look, man, you say each. Any you got to do, you got to get it how you live. You know what I'm saying? They got Daniel Jones, they got Pierce, they got them tight ends, whatever. But if. If that's what's getting it done for this game, for this particular game, this what we gonna have to do. I'm not. I'm not mad at it.

[Debo]

I ain't mad at it. But that's a lot. That's a lot of offense going through one person, and a lot of the time, that's what you're seeing. It's a lot of offense going through him. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know if you.

[Joe]

Bro, but at the same time, when Dimes. When they came to us and they played against the Steelers, he gave it to alec. Alec. Them two. Pearson and Bolton, two receivers. They both six catches and nine catches for 115 apiece. So, I mean, he could do. Them dudes could still get off them receivers, still nice.

[Debo]

I understand that. But when he don't get off, it don't look too good.

[Joe]

Man, if you got Jonathan, right?

[Debo]

Like, I'm just saying, like, he. He had been hurt in the past. Like, it's a lot of ball running through him, dude.

[Joe]

No, no, for sure. For sure.

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

You know what I mean?

[Debo]

A lot of season left.

[Joe]

Debo, man, they going, wait a. Man, they gonna ride that, man. Jt, you tripping.

[Debo]

Fall off, bro.

[Joe]

For sure.

[Debo]

To the wheels fall off. Yo, so listen, Buffalo went out there and got hands put on their ass by. By the Dolphins, man.

[Joe]

Like, see the Dolphins Most, I don't even know.

[Debo]

You don't know what you're getting. Tour was fighting trying to keep him in there, too, though. I'll be like, nah, man. Here, take this. Get a pick on it. Like, I want to have a fight. Like, I. Dude, I. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what to think of the Dolphins no more, man. I don't. I don't. Up, down. Like, I don't. Dude. Then the head coach, I guess he took off and rolled past what was it over there? And trolling the fans, I guess, going past and taking a video of them. The Bill's mafia out there at some bars over there. So we got the video or something? Yeah. Do we got that? The picture?

[Joe]

We got a picture. You see the picture of them? There you go. In that month. Yeah. Hearing that matte black Bentley thing looking sweet.

[Debo]

Dude, I don't know what. All right. I don't know what to think. They could do it. They just, they just can't consistently do it. I don't know what's going on over. What you think is going over there. No, in Miami, bro.

[Joe]

Man, I don't, I don't believe I.

[Debo]

Would have been good money. They ain't have a chance that they.

[Joe]

Was going to lose.

[Debo]

Right.

[Joe]

But you know, Deebo, that's the one thing though about it. Any, any given Sunday. Cause these dudes, at the end of the day, everybody's professional. You know how that is. You have players on your team. Nobody's trying to go out there and lose. Every dog, every dog has his day right. Clock is wrong. You know what I'm saying? So they could have underestimated. They could have came in there thinking it was a trap game, you know what I'm saying? So I don't think. I don't believe in the consistency of the Dolphins being able to do that. No, of course, of course. I just, I mean, not, not really a fan. I, I appreciate them coming out there and fighting, you know what I'm saying? Because they're NFL players. That's why I like dudes. The eye in the sky don't lie.

[Debo]

Right?

[Joe]

You are what you're taping. If you out there putting out bad tape, that means you're a bad football player. So you might not play anymore. So like any game of something, dudes come out there and look like a ballist because they're professionals. That's what they're supposed to do. I'm gonna make sure this, this dude isn't going. I'm win my one on ones, you know what I'm saying? So I think those games can happen. Dudes come out there and just ball out. But consistently being like, no, this was who we are. I don't, I don't see it.

[Debo]

Well, you add that with the combination of probably the Bills is looking past them too. You know, that could be a little bit. That happens too. DeMarcus Lawrence went out there and beat, beat Arizona in the first half. He, he, he outscored him 14 7. No, he got, he got two, two, two fumble recoveries for touchdowns. One of 34 and one of 22. I think it was like 38 to 7 at the half. Ended up being 44 to 22. Yeah, that game was over with before it even started, bruh.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, I know. That's a good feeling. I had two picks in the game. I never had two touchdowns. I had picked six in the game. Two picks but never two defensive touchdowns.

[Debo]

I can't, I can't say I did that either, brother. I cannot say I did that.

[Joe]

Yeah, and dude, he's fast.

[Debo]

Go over here to, to Tampa, bro. The, the Patriots Looking real, bro. Yeah, to hell. I like Drake May. Oh, don't get me wrong. He was in there. He was standing in that pocket, dog. He was making them throws, bro. Like just not knowing it's about to come. He bout to get bopped and making him on the money though under pressure.

[Joe]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Debo]

Making sure only.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Get it bro. Yes. Again. Again. Henderson, that boy was 14, 147, 2 Long TD 69, 55. Like hey, he, he ran it. Listen, it don't hurt right now. Mike Vayner, period. Mike Vrabell, look what he took for show. What was they last year? Two and three and something.

[Joe]

Yeah, they was, they was. What is it?

[Debo]

Yeah. Hey. And the game really wasn't even that close. It was 28, 23, but it really wasn't even that close because they tamper really scored, you know, one of those trash touchdowns with like, you know, a minute and a half left in the game. You know, they went on ahead, you know, you preventing and all that. But the boy, bruh, he making and I'm talking in his face throws that he gotta put on the money, dude.

[Joe]

That's the thing that I'm saying. What you're saying right there is making you me believe. That's why I'm seeing the same thing. We seeing the exact same thing. Drake May is standing there in the heart of, in the eye of the storm and throwing the lead past like to the running. He doesn't have to slow down at all, right? He's running full speed, catches it in the deep. Like if he threw it behind him a little bit, it'd be a break up. It might be picked. But he's standing in the eye.

[Debo]

No, it's coming.

[Joe]

Getting smacked and he's knowing this is coming. He don't care. And he's throwing it right ahead where he can catch it and run and turn up field.

[Debo]

He's Throwing him in stride. I'm like, on the money.

[Joe]

He's throwing them in stride. So it's. And it's not just one time, right? It's a lot of times in the dig routes, crossing routes.

[Debo]

Yes. I'm like, different throws.

[Joe]

I like this.

[Debo]

Deep ones, short ones.

[Joe]

I love.

[Debo]

I love it.

[Joe]

I love it. Yeah, that's. That's the true signs of a quarterback. He's not scared when you know you're gonna get hit. He's not flinching up. And I know Avon's a lot older, but just the ones where he was finishing up throwing it high because I know he's older. And those wearing tear hits, them hits feel different.

[Debo]

That you believe me. I know, bro. I know. And I was doing the hitting, bro. Listen, I never went to jump over a dude. Jump over a dude. Get out the way. You can't hit him. Back when I first started, man, I just plow into him, man. I went to jump over the dude, man. Somebody hit my feet and I landed flat on my back like that. And I was like, oh, my God, I ain't never felt this.

[Joe]

Take me now.

[Debo]

Give me a body, bro. The Rams went on ahead and jumped on the. Jumped on the 49ers. It was 42, 26. Stafford got into him. Yeah, he went on ahead and went 24, 284 touchdowns. I think the first half was 14 for like 7. 175, 2 Tonys. It was 21 nothing. Before they even really knew what happened. I think halftime, 21 to 7. And then really, I think they started going back and forth. Jones ended up throwing a pick somewhere in between that third, fourth quarter that really just allowed them to jump back up and it was really over with from there.

[Joe]

I rock with Matthew Stafford, man. Like you said, he's throwing now 22. They swapped quarterbacks.

[Debo]

Both of them doing well.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

That's crazy.

[Joe]

Yes. I think both of the teams got. Both of the teams got great ins and deals on the trade. I think the Rams, Matthew Stafford, for me, showing he been in here since 2009, bro. First overall pick Josh Freeman was drafted in that draft class and. And he's still just in here, consistent and being able to go now to the Rams. I think when people say, like a lot of the yards and Pro Bowls, I think this could be the year where he can get. Show that he can get an mvp, you know what I'm saying? And really lead a team, too, because he's been doing it for a long time. But when you do it, losing People don't really, you know what I'm saying? Like look at him. No question. So I want to. I'm glad he can show that it's not. It wasn't really him. If you get a team, run him, get a defense like he can. It's not his bad. He's 22 with two picks right now, like leading it up there in MVP race. So I always just appreciate it his. The way he can throw the ball different angles and you know what I'm saying, he stand like you said, he'll stand down the eye of the bell and make sure he's. He's going to throwing the ball, leading them right on the money. So he wanted them quarterbacks.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. He, he, he's a candidate to be in that MVP discussion for sure. Monday Night Football we got coming up, dude, the Eagles. We got the Packers. Eagles and the Packers. What is it? Six and two Eagles, five and five, two and one Packers. They did that. They did that. They did. They did that. They did that at time. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

[Joe]

Hold up, bro.

[Debo]

Hey, we got a Super chat though. Lisa191 donated 20 bucks and said can you do a live show for a game, please? Blessings to you and your family. Amen. Yes, thank you. Blessings. Can we do a live show, Joe? Should we do a live show, Joe? For a game? The reaction.

[Joe]

Let's talk about that.

[Debo]

Joe.

[Joe]

You think you should do that? Let's talk about that, man.

[Debo]

You know, I, I'm gonna be honest with you. You're gonna talk about it because I don't know, Lisa. I don't. Lynch, Lisa Lynch. I don't know if I could do a live show because my live reactions may not be conducive to.

[Joe]

Debo. I just.

[Debo]

That's the problem.

[Joe]

That's not true. I think it might be.

[Debo]

No, no, no. Because I, I say what I feel right then and there before I get.

[Joe]

Me and you first we gotta do.

[Debo]

And then me and you first got into a live show together to say exactly what I said before, but I said in a more corrective way and not a derogatory, okay, personal attack way.

[Joe]

You just need to. You know what you need? We could do it with a delay. Like a, like a little delay.

[Debo]

No.

[Joe]

So we can edit.

[Debo]

Maybe, maybe.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying? Something like that. We'll figure it out here.

[Debo]

We will be like Lisa, we will be live from super bowl in San Francisco, though. We'll be live there.

[Joe]

Yes, we will.

[Debo]

Come on down. Come on. We will Be there live so you, you can get to see it right then and there live. It won't be an actual game. Everybody come on out with Radio Road. That's where we're gonna be. Wherever it's gonna be. We're gonna let y' all know where we go be and we gonna be there all week. We might be a few other places we might, you know, we might make a stop. Few stops here and there. Just a few pop ups.

[Joe]

Let's all see everything.

[Debo]

Get it going.

[Joe]

Hey, come on, Debo and Joe, man, you never know.

[Debo]

You never. Hey, Joe, what you say? You never know. We may even let y' all know on cleared live questions from your mouth right then and there. I ain't saying we gonna answer it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but we may let you ask them, you know.

[Joe]

No, for sure. Definitely.

[Debo]

Look here, man, we running a little over right now. We want to thank you guys, man, again for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Man, we're looking, we look. We looking forward to seeing you guys tomorrow as we review that Monday Night Football with the Eagles and the Packers. Joe. Yep.

[Joe]

Thank you guys for coming. Man. Make sure you come out here and holl at us tomorrow where we would get that breakdown of the packers versus the Eagles game. Let's get it.

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[Debo]

All.

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[Joe]

Ah.

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