Deebo & Joe - Steelers KO Ravens, Shedeur SPECTACULAR vs. Titans, Chiefs fall to Texans

Summary

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Episode Title: Steelers KO Ravens, Shedeur SPECTACULAR vs. Titans, Chiefs fall to Texans
Release Date: December 8, 2025
Hosts: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Haden

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Main Theme

This episode covers a thrilling weekend in the NFL with a heavy focus on the Pittsburgh Steelers’ victory over the Baltimore Ravens, an in-depth breakdown of Shedeur Sanders’ outstanding performance in the Browns-Titans game, and a candid discussion on the Chiefs’ upset loss to the Texans. With their trademark banter, Deebo and Joe analyze big plays, controversial calls, and the current landscape of NFL teams and coaches.

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Steelers vs. Ravens: A Statement Win

(Start – 39:29)

Game Flow & Key Moments

• Opening Drive Defense & Energy:
  • The Steelers set the tone by stopping a strong Ravens run (“TJ said, hey, come meet him.” – Harrison, 02:43).
  • Both hosts agree the officiating was consistent: “They kept it fair. They did.” – Haden, 03:11.
• Offensive Aggression:
  • Steelers answer critiques about their deep passing game – “What they say? They say the Steeler can't throw the ball down the field. ... you want to play man to man on DK all night. You done lost your mind.” – Harrison, 04:06
  • First offensive play: 52-yard bomb to DK (04:20).
• Red Zone & Rushing Success:
  • Rodgers executes a successful “tush push” on 4th and 1 (05:07).
  • The Steelers O-line gets credit for step-up play: “That was good vibes.” – Haden, 05:37.
• Standout Defensive Efforts:
  • Praise for Echoes and Pierre in coverage (08:29): “Great communication by the DBs.”
  • James Pierre’s key interception: “That's how you play flat. That's how you play high to low. … Great pick.” – Haden, 11:15
• Halftime Lead with Missed Opportunities for Ravens:
  • Ravens penalized in red zone, drop key balls.
  • Steeler defense bends but doesn’t break.

Memorable Quotes & Banter

• “You see everybody been doubling, but hey, y’all think y’all got something over there… Bombed them up, Debo, first play of the game. That was beautiful, brother.” – Haden, 04:20
• On questionable calls favoring the Steelers:
  • “I take it. If it was the other way ... I'm going bananas.” – Harrison, 24:39

Crunch Time & Finish

Second Half Highlights

• Rodgers starts 2nd half with a big play to DK (“Mr. Strongman. For 42.” – Haden, 16:01)
• Steelers push the lead but admit to letting the Ravens stay in due to defensive penalties and breakdowns.
• Ravens cut it close, but the Steelers' defense makes several stops, with Alex Highsmith’s sack sealing the victory (“Finish the game.” – Haden, 29:11).
• Final: Steelers 27, Ravens 20

Stat Shoutouts (Postgame, 29:36 – 36:42):

• Aaron Rodgers: 23/34, 284 yards
• DK Metcalf: 7 rec, 148 yards
• Warren: 3 rec, 49 yards, 1 TD
• Defense “played well enough to win… made the plays that we needed to make when we needed to make them.” – Harrison, 31:40

Coaching & Future Outlook

• Deebo analyzes Mike Tomlin’s job status:
  • “For me, the only thing for me that would 100% keep him ... is I need a chip. … I see that we still gave up 217 yards rushing … that's dead last.” – Harrison, 32:29
• Joe underscores the need for “consistency on both sides of the ball — not too crazy, but sufficiency.”

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Browns vs. Titans – Shedeur Shines, Defense Stumbles (39:29 – 58:53)

Game Recap & Turning Points

• Browns Start Slow:
  • Special teams give up big return; Titans quickly up 7-0.
  • “We gave him a head start when we shouldn’t have… very unexpected.” – Haden, 40:31
• Big Plays for Tennessee:
  • Pollard explodes for “2006 USC Reggie Bush” style 65-yard TD (43:11).
  • Pollard finishes with 161 rushing yards, Browns give up 184 yards on the ground.
• Shedeur Sanders’ Breakout Performance:
  • “Mr. Shador. Thank you. We needed that.” (Throw to Njoku in the end zone) – Haden, 44:30
  • Three passing TDs, one rushing, 365 yards. “Third start overall… threw for 42 passes and 364 yards.” – Haden, 57:40
• Missed Opportunities:
  • Browns forced to settle for field goals after turnovers.
  • Two failed two-point conversions prove costly (“Kick the field goal, kick the field goal… That one almost pisses me off more…” – Haden, 54:09).
• Critical Mistakes:
  • Turnovers, blocked punt, porous run defense, failed special teams.
  • “Special teams always selling… you might want to get rid of y’all coordinator or something.” – Harrison, 56:17

Notable Quotes

• On Shedeur Sanders:
  • “I love the way you keep your eyes downfield. I love the way you’re throwing it to the receivers you’re hitting… I was entertained.” – Haden, 57:29
• On the Browns’ run defense:
  • “They sold out for the pass and didn’t respect the run… Pollard went on here and got 161 on you, two tutties.” – Harrison, 55:07

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Other AFC North News & Chiefs Discussion

Cincinnati Collapse (58:53 – 60:58)

• Bengals blow a 10-point 4th quarter lead; Josh Allen leads comeback, Bedford returns a pick for 63 yards.
  • “They up 11, 21 unanswered… things are going real good for us over here.” – Harrison, 59:40

Chiefs Fall to Texans (Mahomes Era Concerns) (60:06 – 62:30)

• Chiefs’ loss chalked up to receiver errors, not Mahomes:
  • “Not getting rid of Mahomes… just got to get players around him,” says Harrison.
  • “They were so used to Patrick Mahomes getting them out of situations…” – Haden, 61:04

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Coaching Hot Seat, Playoff Aspirations, and Team Identity

• Deebo is adamant: “If you get a chip, I don’t care what your numbers are. … But if you don’t, I have to look at it in terms of what it is, and that’s numbers.” (34:10)
• Joe presses for “significant improvement” to justify retaining a coach, not just results masked by wins.

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Audience Interaction & Superchats

Notable Moments (65:16 – End)

• Superchat questions prompt discussions about Joey Porter’s penalties, coaching frustrations, and fan perspectives.

• On Browns Coach Stefanski:

  • “I’m not going to say the man’s on the short bus… but he maybe needs to be fired.” – Haden, 66:29

• Deebo tells a humorous story on holding people accountable in daily life (68:48), showing the duo’s off-field rapport.

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Noteworthy Quotes with Timestamps

• “You want to play man-to-man on DK all night? You done lost your mind.” – Harrison, 04:11
• “That’s how you play flat. That’s how you play high to low… Great pick.” – Haden, 11:15
• “If we go and get to say, AFC Championship game and lose it…does that give you another eight years of not winning one? No.” – Harrison, 35:04
• “Shedeur, dog, you played a great game … the little things: the pick and the retreating you know what I'm saying, spinning out of the pocket...besides that, love the way you keep your eyes downfield.” – Haden, 57:11

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Tone and Style

Conversational, candid, and at times unfiltered. Deebo and Joe balance deep football analysis with passionate fan energy and ex-player insight. They hold nothing back critiquing their teams, defending players, and debating controversial coaching decisions, all while keeping the mood lively and entertaining.

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Key Timestamps

• 01:36: Steelers-Ravens recap begins
• 04:06 – 05:39: DK Metcalf’s major impact and debate over man-to-man coverage
• 11:14: James Pierre’s interception
• 16:01: Rodgers’ second-half bomb to DK
• 24:39: Talk about favorable calls
• 29:11: Alex Highsmith’s game-clinching sack
• 32:29 – 36:42: Deebo’s case for/against Mike Tomlin’s future
• 39:29: Browns-Titans breakdown starts
• 43:11: Tony Pollard’s 65-yard TD replayed
• 44:30: Shador Sanders’ touchdown to Njoku
• 54:09: Missed conversion: “Kick the field goal, kick the field goal…”
• 57:40: Haden praises Shedeur’s development
• 59:04: Bengals discuss their collapse
• 60:06: Chiefs’ loss and Mahomes analysis
• 65:16: Listener superchats
• 68:48: Parking lot story

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Conclusion

This episode spotlights an emotional rollercoaster for AFC North fans: a statement Steelers win, a bittersweet Browns breakout for Shedeur Sanders, and the unraveling of league powerhouses. Deebo and Joe bring in-depth breakdowns, relatable frustrations, and plenty of humor, making it a perfect catch-up for both die-hard and casual NFL followers.

Transcript

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[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. He probably hating today because somebody might have lost. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss. Hey, Joe. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm good and I'm bad. It was, it was a up and down, up and down weekend, Debo, you know, obviously, because we had a lot of good on our black and yellow side and I had a lot of bad on my brown side.

[James Debo Harrison]

So listen, man, listen, listen. I don't, Listen, I don't. I don't even know what to say. I just, you know, I don't know on this beautiful victory Monday, you know, hey, let's just do it, man. Man, you know, let's get into it, man. Get on up out there, man. And we let him go ahead, get out there, get the ball first, you know, go ahead. We deferred. And then he is likely on the first down for seven. And then Henry gets seven after that he gets six. And, and hey, TJ said, hey, come meet him.

[Joe Hayden]

I gotta meet you here.

[James Debo Harrison]

I got me two, two yard loss. Two y' all lost. We get the third down and bombs over hours on that. Dude. Listen, they reviewed it and they upheld it. I don't think, I don't think. But that's just me. But they, they, later on they gave us the same thing on dk.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, yep. Yep, yep. They. They were. They kept it. They kept it fair. They did.

[James Debo Harrison]

They.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? They made sure they did it both ways.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right? They went on here, got the. Get back on. They got to get back on the. Ain't tripping. And then, you know, TJ chased that man down on that first down on the backside again, no game. Second down, 10. I think Mitchell's might have ran for like six or something like that. We ain't tripping. Cause third down, what his name echoes and I.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause look, I'mma talk to him bad when he do bad, but I'm going to talk to him good when he do good. My man was in that good. Man to man, you know, Gets his head back. So it's no PI. Makes a great play. Man to man slot fade versus a big time play.

[James Debo Harrison]

Come on, shut it down, man. We holding two or three Stillers come back out there, man.

What they say? They say the Steeler can't throw the ball down the field.

You want to play man to man on DK all night. You done lost your mind.

You see everybody been doubling, but hey, y' all think y' all got something over there.

[Joe Hayden]

Bombed it. Bombed them up. Debo, first play of the game. That was beautiful, brother. 52 yards. That was beautiful.

[James Debo Harrison]

52 yards. You know what they did on next play for a hot seat, out for a hot Sam.

And then I wish he had held onto that on third down. That would have been like the trifecta.

[Joe Hayden]

That was great defense by Humphrey.

[James Debo Harrison]

I got it.

[Joe Hayden]

He played right through the head. I was like this. Oh, my goodness. He caught it and then he broke it up. I'm like this. Oh, my goodness. Great ball placement, great job by the receiver. But you gotta hold.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what that would have did to his confidence if he could have held?

[Joe Hayden]

He would have walked the whole thing down the whole field. Bomb out route. Tutty dk. He would have ran.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't tripping though. I ain't tripping. We get to the 4th and 1.

[Joe Hayden]

We do a proper tush push.

[James Debo Harrison]

Proper tush push. We do a proper tush push. And you know what they said that. They said that somebody couldn't move no more. Like, oh, I think his name, they call him.

[Joe Hayden]

They call him Rogers. On that third down, he did not look unathletic.

He didn't look like a track star, but he didn't look. You know what I'm saying? It's 50.

[James Debo Harrison]

Give me that discount. Double check.

[Joe Hayden]

That was good vibes. That was good vibes.

[James Debo Harrison]

I remember you doing that on us in super bowl too. I still ain't. You know what? But you're still now, so.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I can see.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey. Hey. That's my guy. Man. 73. We.

Get back out there, I think Lamar ended up scrambling for a hot four on that first down, second down. Henry coming through. I think it was only a one. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

And then my man Echoes Sack.

[James Debo Harrison]

Come on. What a name is.

[Joe Hayden]

You know exactly who it is.

[James Debo Harrison]

What a name is.

[Joe Hayden]

Echoes. I think he listened to the pod. He listened to the pod because I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you when you do good and I'm going to watch.

[James Debo Harrison]

And when you.

[Joe Hayden]

When you do good, I want you to do good. I want you to succeed, my brother. Echoes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on. Good sadness.

[James Debo Harrison]

Love it. Three and out, baby. We force up punt. Hey, hey. Good ball. Steelers get the ball back. I think Rogers went to Warren for swing. Hot little three little swing. And then it was Warren again. He ran for five, get to the third and one. He snapped one to Austin for three. But they should have sped that up.

[Joe Hayden]

He said when he was out of bound. They say he was out of bounds.

[James Debo Harrison]

They said he was. He didn't control it. Didn't control it. They see it, get the review. We got a point.

[Joe Hayden]

That's.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. I mean, you know, sometimes it happens. It happens. I ain't tripping. We get back out there, I think this one, that boy Mitchell, he. Oh, yeah, he went on here. Yeah. I think he got like maybe three on the first and then another three on the second. And then Lamar, listen, I don't. I know he ain't 100, but he enough to get loose for nine on us.

[Joe Hayden]

Quick, quick. He was using his legs a little bit on us. That was.

[James Debo Harrison]

We.

[Joe Hayden]

Our lanes weren't that bad, but he found it. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't too bad. Like, dudes was trying to stay rushing lanes, but he. He keep hopping around. He gonna find something.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, we get a. We get a PI on the first down, but it ain't really that big a deal, I think, was it three yards that ended up being all together. And then the first. The first down, he got that incompletion to flowers because he couldn't get that other foot down. That. That. That helped.

[Joe Hayden]

He needed.

[James Debo Harrison]

He was.

[Joe Hayden]

That. That's just bad. That's just bad recognition. That's why you got to put your feet in there. You got to tap that.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't mad.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not Mad at it.

[James Debo Harrison]

He don't play for us. He don't play for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just coaching up good players.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, you got to recognize that next time. No, don't recognize it next time. We gotta play y' all again. Keep doing what you're doing. I think Mitchell got a good run for about six on that. Second down. Third down.

[Joe Hayden]

You know why? Great communication. Man to man. Zay Flowers comes in on the motion and echoes. And Pierre. Oh, and come.

[James Debo Harrison]

Combo.

[Joe Hayden]

Combo.

[James Debo Harrison]

He come. Hey, let it go.

[Joe Hayden]

I got it. I got it. You can't catch him from all the way over there. Pierre, you gonna be in trail. I'm already inside. Great communication. Echoes again. And Pierre, like that was great communication by the dbs able to get off of there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Punt.

Yeah, they punt the ball. I think we get about five on the first down. Second down. If he hadn't got that little pressure, DK would have had him a nice. Nice. Another little catch there, but it was a little off his fingertips.

[Joe Hayden]

He trying to throw it to the window.

[James Debo Harrison]

Third down and five. Third down five. Hey, gang. Well, what did that. What he do? He gets Sam. He gets Sam.

We get a false start on second 10. And the next play, Mount. Pick up 12. Mount Washington, but we lose Washington on that same play. He get concussed, head hit the ground. My star and third and three. What they say we don't do? What they say we don't do? They say we don't throw the ball down, man.

[Joe Hayden]

DK again. Quick, quick. Fade dropped it in the bucket. That was a dot. And they better hurry up and get on the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

They went. They went on here and did that one. That was. That was that little. You know what I'm saying? We get to the second down to 10, where the name is game. Well, they had. They had to pull his face mask to try and stop him. He still got nine and half the distance with the face mask.

And I don't know how they did this, but Baltimore's defense, dude, they be. They be putting on fire.

[Joe Hayden]

It was the third and five. Gainwell had it and he was getting ready to dead leg and rolled his ankle and then. You know what I'm saying? So I thought he got.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He had.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know, it was. It was still a lot open grass.

[Joe Hayden]

It would have been. He got two yard. We needed five. Yeah, I feel you. It was. It would still been tough. It'd still been tough.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. They hold us to a field goal bank roll, but, you know, ain't tripping. Ain't tripping 10 to 3. We doing what we do, man. First play.

I think it was only what.

[Joe Hayden]

Then they did like a low 1.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yard, something like that. And they had an ineligible man downfield. We declined that because it really didn't matter, you know what I'm saying?

Hey, something happened around like third down, third and four. I think somebody else.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, the other. My. My other good mans that we was talking about. I was communicating earlier. James Pierre. Come on, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

What his name is.

[Joe Hayden]

That's how you play flat. That's how you play high to low. You know what I'm saying? He like, oh, no, I might come up. No, I might come back. Yeah, bro. Perfect. Baited Lamar thinking it was sweet. Great pick. Great pick.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir. We get back out there, man. And they said Rogers couldn't move, man. Second and nine. I seen this man. Extending the play. He went on hit being for. For.

[Joe Hayden]

What was it?

[James Debo Harrison]

13.

Hey, hey, first and now. Hey, dk. Hey.

Corner.

[Joe Hayden]

He tried to run, buddy. Smack. Oh.

[James Debo Harrison]

I mean, you know, it is what it is. Hey, second down. Rogers get a little pressure, but he's still able to. He's still able to hit Adam, you know, Third and one.

[Joe Hayden]

That was defense. That was just. That's me. That was the D Fable like.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know, man. I just. I don't want to give him credit, but you got.

[Joe Hayden]

You get to Debo. That was just good man to man situation.

That was Humphrey. That was one on one. Dk like you gonna.

[James Debo Harrison]

I like that. I like that.

[Joe Hayden]

I want you. We.

[James Debo Harrison]

I feel like he kind of, you know, I don't know. You know, I'm be hating. You know, I'm. I'm. I'm leaning towards the black.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

What. But hey, I ain't tripping. We go, we kick the field goal. We make the field goal.

[Joe Hayden]

That was.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie, Deo.

[Joe Hayden]

That was bogus.

[James Debo Harrison]

I. That wasn't. I ain't gonna lie. That was.

[Joe Hayden]

That was.

[James Debo Harrison]

That wasn't what it was. Yeah, that was bogus. I ain't tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't tripping either.

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[Joe Hayden]

I take it.

[James Debo Harrison]

If it was the other way.

[Joe Hayden]

I am losing my other way. They're gonna have to see about us, Debo, because they got.

[James Debo Harrison]

Stole the game from us.

[Joe Hayden]

Then if we messed around and lost that. That's foggy. They're like, what do you mean? Nobody you supposed to not hit him on the head. They didn't touch him on the head. They might have hit his. They might have touched his.

[James Debo Harrison]

Might have touched his Shoulder pad.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's my good.

[James Debo Harrison]

They touched the shoulder. That was. Hey, I ain't tripping, though.

Get us the ball back, man. The next play game, well gonna have sex and get a SAP.

17 3.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't gonna lie to you. Right there. I'm like, oh, my goodness. There. That hurt them. That hurt them bad.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, that hurt them bad. It hurt real bad. I think it was like Ravens. Get back out there. I think second and nine is when. Second and eight. Henry got.

And he. He put. He put my guy, Harrison. Sleep. Sleep. I don't. I'm. I'm not. This is why you do not hit Derrick Henry in his thighs. That man went to sleep. Sleep. Night, night. No, you go hit Derek. Hearing you better either try and mommy or just above the knee. You can't hit the thighs on what.

[Joe Hayden]

A man like 250, bro. 250.

[James Debo Harrison]

And you putting all that down low on 250.

[Joe Hayden]

It's gonna be. Yeah, you might. You gonna see some little dude. You gonna see some little things floating across your head.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, he ain't seen nothing. He just saw black. First down, Lamar the flowers for about nine. I think Henry converted on the next play. And then later on, we get to the third and two and Highsmith gets a neutral zone.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

We helping them. We give them a first round.

We get to a.

[Joe Hayden]

What was it?

[James Debo Harrison]

A third and eight.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man. Ramsay. And we get a legal concept.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get another one. We not. We don't gave him two first downs in this drive. Yeah.

I think they end up getting five on the next two plays, which made another first down. And then third down, Lamar scrambles in for the six yard touchdown. And they end up missing the extra point. So it's now 9 to 17 going into halftime. I ain't tripping, but I'm tripping. I'm kind of tripping, but I ain't tripping. Because they ain't really do it.

[Joe Hayden]

We helped them and we got over. So I was like this. Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

We feeling pretty good.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question. Who get the who? Hey, hey. Who, who, who get the ball? At the start of the second half.

[Joe Hayden]

The Steelers.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think. I think some old man they call Unk. He extended a play again.

[Joe Hayden]

Moving, moving, waiting, waiting, waiting. Finding DK. Mr. Strongman.

For 42.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

Ball down to the 19 yard line, bro. In the first. After the first play.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question. Easy money. Easy money. We convert one more first down and we get to the Baltimore A. And we stall out.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

We gotta kick a field goal. 20 to 9. I'm tripping. Ain't tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, same we want. We want, but end of the day, we get points. We didn't turn it over. So we tripping, but we not. I know what you're saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right. All right. Okay. But I ain't tripping. Baltimore get out there, first play, Henry go for six. And then they take him out the game. I'm like, oh, good. Third and one. This dude Mitchell, this dude go 55 to our seven yard line. What?

[Joe Hayden]

Brody, they had them tight. They had the two tight ends over there. They just blocked us down. Queen trying to go under Pierre. That just. Yeah, they blocked us up real. They just blocked everybody up. Bro, I seen it. I tried to look at the play like a thousand times. We got people in the wrong saying gaps. We got the tight ends just literally blocking down high. Smith and they're just making gaps.

[James Debo Harrison]

They. They. We're not. We're not. We're not in the process.

[Joe Hayden]

That one we got blocked up. Crazy. We can't. We can't. We gotta. We gotta not get Debo'd. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, you can't just accept that block. You gotta push him into some. Into some stuff.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then on third down, Lamar hits likely for the touchdown. We in a fight 20 to 16.

I think we get back out there and on second down, I think we got a holding penalty.

[Joe Hayden]

That pumped us back second to 17. Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Then Rogers hit DK for about 12. And then on Thursday.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my God.

Dropped in the bucket. Quick fade.

And guess what? I'm not gonna lie, I haven't been too high on Austin, but he quick released that man and hit him with that quick fade. Right on time.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, baby, hey, listen. Timing is everything. You're right. Timing is everything.

And then you know what them boys did on that next third down? You know what them Ravens did on that next third down? They said, we go blitz, we go blitz. You go blitz. And then you ain't gonna cover nobody. Who you think?

[Joe Hayden]

Warren was wide open Fire move was wide open. They could have picked. We could have picked out poison on that one for the Tutty.

[James Debo Harrison]

38. Touchdown.

27 to 16. We run the north.

[Joe Hayden]

I hear you. I hear you people. I'm here, I'm here. I'm with it.

[James Debo Harrison]

The still is right there.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, getting the Ravens ass out the way. I'm here for.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get him out the way, man. Baltimore, get out there. I don't know how he scrambled off.

[Joe Hayden]

In that side because he's Lamar Jackson.

He's talented. We gotta get.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't want to see this dude. 100, man.

[Joe Hayden]

It look. He looked like he did better. He looked like he's getting more and more.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know.

[Joe Hayden]

Back to what he was doing.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then we got a plan.

[Joe Hayden]

We gotta lock in. We gonna. We gonna lock in. We're gonna lock in.

[James Debo Harrison]

Henry, go for six on the next play. And then again, third down. Lamar keeps it because we had been crashing down.

We done.

[Joe Hayden]

We done crashing down now because now we know he can still run it again. Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

We good. We did it a lot. Because that's when TJ was getting Derrick Henry in the backfield. Going smack at him like, I don't care. I'm coming for you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Then he hits. I think it was Bateman for 18, that deep curl. And then he run for another, what, five or six. Followed by Henry, who hit us for about eight. Followed.

Ravens. They had like our 16. And hey, hey, defense. Hey, hey. Because I, I, I ain't gonna lie. I thought, I thought we was in trouble. I thought, I thought they was going. You did. Yeah. Yeah, I was nervous.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't break. Don't break.

[James Debo Harrison]

But. Don't break. But you know, you, you, when you keep bending something a lot, it's easier.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, for sure. And Bateman dropped the ball, too, on the deck, on the drag.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ah, yes, they helped.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna take that. It happens.

[James Debo Harrison]

We gonna take that. What is it? 20, 17, 27, 19.

And we.

[Joe Hayden]

And we go three and out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Added with a delay. A game on a manageable. What? Third and six. Now we end up punting the Rock in the first play. I.

Lamar.

He hit flowers for what, 35.

And then they just went Henry crazy. I think it was Henry for 5, 3, 1, and then on the 4th for 4. But.

[Joe Hayden]

Then, but don't break, don't break.

[James Debo Harrison]

Don'T break, don't break.

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[Joe Hayden]

Yes, fourth quarters is in. It's been now we've been in the fourth quarter.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't going to lie to you, man. That on that second down, that pass they got when they get back out there, they got batted into Aaron's hands and he catches it and he hits his knee.

For me, if it's the other way, I don't see a clear possession of that for him to I see it touching his hands. I don't see like clear possession. Especially when you say that likely wasn't clearly possessed on that one. That's I don't know. But hey, I take it again, but if it's the other way around, I'm Going bananas.

[Joe Hayden]

Honestly, those are two calls that we got that if it was the other way around, we'll be feeling a different type of way.

[James Debo Harrison]

We got three. We ain't even got to the last one.

We ended up having to punt because I think what. We lost nine on that play. Ravens get back out there and this man Henry 19, then 5. I think they get to like a 4th and 5 and he hits flowers for just enough 6. Ramsey.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, right on the line.

[James Debo Harrison]

He just can't. Yeah, I can't, I can't. I can't get upset with it.

[Joe Hayden]

But we got him getting that. God damn.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question. It's bang bang, man. Like, come on. Like, he coming down from safety too. Now they, they disguising because dude came off on the blitz. So, I mean, you know, it is what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

He did a good job disguising. He wasn't trying to just uncover him and be standing over top of him. So he tried to stay away.

[James Debo Harrison]

But yeah, it's that, that third and eight where flowers took that thing 33.

To the, what, 13 yard line.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, see that one? That was the false communication. That's. We got three people in the bunch and we just let him run underneath like that was not.

[James Debo Harrison]

Nobody even went inside. Like somebody's supposed to be sitting inside for the router.

[Joe Hayden]

It's three people there, so there's three DB's. Everybody else, somebody has the point man in that position. It was the two corners and the safety. I'm putting the safety on the point. You take the tight end. And me and my man were in and outing the two wide receivers. The two corners, we had Pierre up on the ball and the line and the safety man and his dude. It was just not good communication, Debo. I was, I watched that one a couple of times. Like, what are we doing? It's three and three of us. Three of them. We had a safety in two corners. They have a tight end and two receivers. The two receivers are handled by the corners. The tight end is handled by the safety. There's nothing else to talk about. Let's get to it. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, right, we. We just, we, we. We bomb it. And then the first down is when Lamar hits likely for what is a touchdown. But under review, they say it don't come and they take it away again. I am going live it. If this is us and we're the ones that they done took a touchdown away. This dude got two almost three steps down and you can see where, you know, like, it's not a football move. Like, I don't. I don't understand. So somebody that reaches the ball across the goal line, do they need to do a football move before he breaks it?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, I don't want.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, I. Like I said, I ain't tripping. No, you.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not.

[James Debo Harrison]

You. You. Hey.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Problems.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm glad they got.

[Joe Hayden]

But you saying if it was the other. If it was the other way around and that was us and that was Washington that caught it, you're like, that's a touchdown after the second step.

Easy. I hear you.

[James Debo Harrison]

It was like he was relaxing, and that's why that ball. He was. He was relaxing. I mean, hey. But, hey, that ain't a touchdown.

[Joe Hayden]

That ain't a touchdown, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's your problem. I'm glad you got it. But they end up going forward on. What was it? Fourth and five. They gets nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Queen, stop. Andrews, turn them on down. Let's go.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question. No question. And then we get out there and we go three and out. Yeah, but they helped us. Helped us a little bit. When we punted through Rock. They had to move them back.

[Joe Hayden]

They got a holding. Yep, holding. 26 yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

Then the first down, and then the first down. First play, they got. They got another hole penny. So now it's second.

[Joe Hayden]

It's first and 20.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude. They get six on the first down. They get four on the second down, eight on the third down, and pick up another eight on fourth down.

We are supposed to hold that right now?

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

First in Twinkie with like. We were supposed to hold that right there. Second down. He hit two. Was a cooler coler.

For 19.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

And it's only nine seconds.

[Joe Hayden]

He threaded the needle on that joint. That was a tight ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's only nine seconds left on that third down and a.

We close it out.

[Joe Hayden]

Alex Smith.

Alex High Smith ran him down. Finish the game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look here, baby. Hey.

Who, who, who. Topping the who. Top.

[Joe Hayden]

You already know. Debo Distillers.

[James Debo Harrison]

The Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

That's actually crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, look here. Now look here.

O.C. he must have said, hey, I don't know what happened, but he did something right. Aaron. Roger. Dk. They put in the work. Aaron Rodgers. Hey, hey, hey. That's what I was expecting to see when he first came in. That's. That's. That's what I was expecting to see. The throws that he had been missing earlier in the year. He made all them. Like, that's. That's what I was expecting to See, I mean, Baltimore made the biggest mistake ever. You don't cover DK one on one. You've seen what everybody been doing. That's how they've been stopping, doubling. Y' all thought you was gonna go in there and cover dk just one on one. We got chunk play after chunk play. Dude, we converted in down in distance situations. We scored in the red zone for the most part. Touchdowns, not just kicking field goals. The offensive line did a good job and now we see what the offense can do. We see what it's capable of. Let's do this. Week in and week out. There's no excuses. We in the position right now to control our destiny. All we gotta do is go out here and ball out. Aaron, 23 for 34 for 2, 84 DK 7 for 148. Hell, even Warren got him 3 for 49 with a touchdown. Austin had the one for 31.

[Joe Hayden]

Quick fade like.

[James Debo Harrison]

This is what I thought we were going to see from our offense. Now, the defense.

Played well enough to win. They did better in the red zone and that was a major, major outcome. And then we got turnover, we got sacks. We closed the game out when it was necessary.

We made the plays that we needed to play to make when we needed to make them.

[Joe Hayden]

Needed to make them complimentary football.

So, Debo, how do you feel? What does this make you feel about Coach T, about his job? Do you think it was a bet? Did he do a better job today, in your opinion?

[James Debo Harrison]

I think he did a better job because we won. Now, if I'm going to say that he should keep his job.

This is my thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, go ahead, let me know what's up.

[James Debo Harrison]

So for me, the only thing for me that would 100%.

Keep him with me if I'm in the owner's hat is I need a chip.

That's just me. Because I look at this game and I see that we still gave up 217 yards rushing.

You know, I see that we gave up. Was it 420 yards rushing. Now if I'm going to sit here and be like, well, he changed from point A to point B. Okay, I could go from point A to point B. But to do that and not strictly base it on wins, like, if you win at all, I don't care what your numbers are because you found a way to win the chips. I don't care what your numbers are. But if you don't, then now I have to look at it in terms of what it is, and that's numbers, right? Now we're the 28, 20 what? 28th ranked defense, right. Okay, so we average about 370 yards. We gave up.

Yesterday, we gave up 420. That puts us dead last behind Cincinnati, who gives up an average of 410. Our rushing is 125 that we average as a 28th ranked defense. We gave up 217 yesterday, which puts us again dead last by Cincinnati, who I believe gives up 155 yards a game. Now the passing game, we did better. So we average giving up about 244. We gave up what, 219, 20. That still puts us middle.

[Joe Hayden]

I got a question with you. Is it more like you said winning is the first thing but at the same time it's the statistical part too. So.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right. You have to have the numbers that will. Here's the problem. We ain't want to playoff. That's what I'm saying. You said, you're telling me that.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, damn, that's kind of like, I don't know if he's gonna be able to go do that. If we can go like we're going to make. What about make the playoffs win.

[James Debo Harrison]

I understand, but if I'm not seeing these, if I'm seeing these numbers and we're winning and we don't get the chip, then these numbers don't work because they're still dead last even if you look at the offense. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers threw for what, what.

[Joe Hayden]

Was it, like 280 something?

[James Debo Harrison]

285. Okay. He, he threw for 285 or something like that. Like, or was it one something? 284. 284. He threw for 284. Okay, so with that being the case, that's far above our average. Are we going to be able to sustain that? Probably not, because Dallas is number one and they only do 275. Now again, our average rushing is around 90. We only got 34 yesterday. That puts us again dead last yards. We were like 318. Our average was a little above our average. But again that still puts us middle of the pack. 17, 18. And we're a 27th rank offense. So if I'm sitting there with my owner's hat on and I want to be like, okay, I can measure significant changes from this point to that point. This is not the changes that I'm going to go with and be like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and keep moving. Because even if we go and we get to say AFC Championship game and we lose it. Are you telling me we get there, we lost it and now does that give you another eight years of not winning one? No. Like it's either going to be a chip the super bowl, win it or I need to see drastic changes from point A and winning to point B of wherever that is. And if those numbers aren't, that's why you have goal sheets, that you have a measurable thing to say, oh man, I know we lost, but dude, we did this, that and this and that and all and everything else. We met all our goals.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with you. I feel like with this team and this defense and this offense is so wishy washy and this is the main example of complimentary football. Offense may not be the best run game or the best pass game, but they need to be able to play consistently good, you know what I'm saying? Like nothing too crazy, but maybe DK Metcalf's gonna be on, you know what I'm saying? Maybe Gainwell or Warren to be able to get off in the run game in a certain game. But maybe we'll have a lot more run yards in the game or pass yards, but just sufficiency, making sure the offense runs sufficient. On defense with this game, we didn't give up a lot of pass yards, but we gave up 200 and some run yards. But like we didn't bend but don't break, they didn't score in the red zone. We just need to be a little more consistent of not giving up big swings of 200 rushing yards and 115 passing. Just trying to keep all that stuff consistently low.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? Like right. And that's what I'm saying. If I'm looking at it and I'm going, and I'm going to say I, I'm keeping this coach because from point A to point B, I know we were a 28th ranked defense, but from these last five or six games we played as a number three, you need.

[Joe Hayden]

To see significant improvement.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like I need to, I need to see significant improvement. Otherwise we sitting here and we waiting and the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting the different result. And we're not. We're doing the same thing and we're getting the same results. Respect.

[Joe Hayden]

But you know what? It's easy coming off a win sometimes. Like you said, when it's a.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's easier to hide.

Yeah, it's easier to hide, dude. You know, winning hides a lot of things. Losing shows everything. It shows the minute things that don't even matter that people start talking about this. That. No, that really don't matter. It may matter to y'. All. Y' all may think it matter, but to us as players, it don't. And that's. And that's what it's coming down to. We won. Well, if we sit back and look at it, yeah, we won. But would we have won if, you know, situation ABC didn't happen? Hell, we got. We just talk right now. We got three plays in there that we thought if it went the other way, you know, we would have flipping.

[Joe Hayden]

The dag on show, you know, so.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, you know, that's. Like I said, for me, it would come down to what those numbers look like at the end, and if they aren't drastically different, I got. I gotta. I gotta move on. Unless, again, you get a chip. If you get a chip, I don't care what your numbers are. You found a way.

Well, so let's go over here and see what.

See what the Browns done did.

Oh, my goodness. It says the Browns.

What?

[Joe Hayden]

Did you see the game? Debug.

[James Debo Harrison]

I. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't know how a quarterback, you know, goes and makes history and, you know, throws for 300 plus, you know, three touchdowns, a rushing touchdown, and no one's done that since, you know, 1950 in the history of the Browns. But I think.

I think y' all ended up. Well, I know. Yeah, y' all ended up losing that game, I see.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's go ahead and run through it, Debo. Oh, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let's.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let's just run through it. I'm all right. Like I said, you tell me about it. I ain't really pay no much attention to it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, you did.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think on the kickoff, somebody. Yeah, he did.

[Joe Hayden]

Started off great. Go ahead, Debo. You do it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Please, go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

I want to get my side remarks because we ran it off the kickoff. They got the ball already. I think it was our special teams.

[James Debo Harrison]

That came from the universe, told me it was 41 yard kickoff return.

[Joe Hayden]

41 yard kickoff return, Debo. And I think the first thing that kind of messed me up a little bit, that Browns defense, we just kind of. We gave him a head start when we shouldn't have. You know, they gotta. They ended up scoring a touchdown on the first drive of the game.

[James Debo Harrison]

They did.

[Joe Hayden]

They marched the ball down there. Crazy. That was very, very unexpected.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know. How.

Was Ward like throwing the ball on yours?

[Joe Hayden]

Ward was throwing it a little bit.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I was.

[James Debo Harrison]

They scored a touchdown though.

[Joe Hayden]

They scored a touchdown.

[James Debo Harrison]

How did they score the touchdown?

[Joe Hayden]

Hard play action. It was a man to man. My man Denzel wore great eyes, but it was an overall. Ward created time in the pocket and threw it to him. So I'm not really as mad at Ward. It was just tough that they was able to march the ball all the way down the field on us. When they did catch the third and the long third down they completed on us, we had a man to man coverage and they called a great play. Great screen call from the safety. He was too far away. They put two blockers on him. So they was able to get down there. Score seven.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right. You're trying to soften the blow of the loss.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, but this one, that's was just. Yeah, that was a good play call they got down there.

[James Debo Harrison]

It said nothing. Right. Hey, what the Browns do when they got the ball.

Huh? I heard it was like a three and out. I don't know. I could be wrong.

[Joe Hayden]

So, yeah, we ended up.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then the Titans got.

[Joe Hayden]

Then the Titans got the ball back.

[James Debo Harrison]

And I heard of some pow, pow, powler.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, Pollard started running on us very, very crazy.

But the Steeler slash, Brown, my man, young Devin Bush does exactly what he needs to do on third down, falls underneath the slant, gets a pick, runs back all the way to the 40 yard line. So that's where the defense, you know what I'm saying, does what they needed to do. Get, get right back in it. Don't act crazy, guys. Do what you need. We need you guys here. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

What the Browns do with that.

[Joe Hayden]

So we get the ball and we only end up getting a field goal.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, so at least you got points.

[Joe Hayden]

This is what we got it from the 40 yard line. Somehow I'm respecting, I'm loving it. But we gotta end up trying to get, trying to get touchdowns right there.

[James Debo Harrison]

I understand, I feel, I feel it. I hear you.

I hear the. I hear the Titans.

[Joe Hayden]

Titans get the ball back. And that man Pollard went.

That was 2006 USC Reggie Bush on our ass and took the joint 65 yards on the first play. He got the cutting back on my man. And the receivers though with blocking down field. But yeah, that was. It was like a bl. Like a flashing light. I couldn't believe it. 14 this time the deep. The defense is so good. But like right there we gave, we gave him a 14 point head start. I'm not expecting them to go down and score on us like this. So it's 14:3.

[James Debo Harrison]

Debo before 14:3.

[Joe Hayden]

And I am perplexed because I'm not.

[James Debo Harrison]

Expecting to be like this.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, not 14 off the rip, but he did it. So now this is when I'm like, all right, guys. Offense, Shador. All right, we played at the beginning. We got the little field goal. All right? All right, I'm ready. Debo's ready. It's time. So my man gets the joint screened to Judkins. And Judkins gets missing up the sideline. Tippy toe, tippy toe up the sideline. Almost scores. Blade of grass, blade of grass, blade of grass. Get up to the sideline. Great, great move by him. So then we get it. We get it to third down, and Shadore puts the ball.

In a bucket. In a bucket. To Joku. Like, great defense, great everything, but you can't beat a perfect ball. Good defense, better ball, better pass, better throw, better catch. Okay, 14. 10 DOT TD. Mr. Shador. Thank you. We needed that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Step back out there. Defense. All right, guys, we already gave a 14. Don't trip. Relax, guys. We are who we are.

[James Debo Harrison]

Do your job.

[Joe Hayden]

Three and out. But that's when I say, Ward missed that third down. He had a wide open receiver on the over. I'm not gonna say, look, long foul ball, Debo. That's what we call it. You know what I'm saying? Nobody knows nothing if you didn't watch the game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, no harm.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James Debo Harrison]

5.

[Joe Hayden]

So, yeah, Hunt that.

[James Debo Harrison]

I thought she was gonna say three and out. I was gonna tell you the universe was talking to me about something. But anyway, go ahead. Okay, Browns get back out there.

[Joe Hayden]

What they do back out there? My man tries to muff the. He muffs the punt a little bit. I don't know why he did that. Okay, we get it first and 10. He hits Judy on the over route. 13 yards, smooth. Then we get Jukin. Okay, what we got?

[James Debo Harrison]

What y'.

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Y. Y. Did y' all get any points off that?

[Joe Hayden]

No, we didn't. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. We went. We got it to fourth and two and we got it to fourth and two.

[James Debo Harrison]

Them boys ain't getting no points.

[Joe Hayden]

We had a four for two and we ran a hard count and we punted the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right?

[Joe Hayden]

And then guess what we did?

[James Debo Harrison]

Y' all thought they was go jump, y' all Thought they was go jump.

[Joe Hayden]

We knew they wasn't gonna jump. I don't know what we was doing. I thought we was gonna go for it because we had a little energy going. But, dude, no. Shador wild scramble. The intentional grounding joint. That was crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he wild out.

[Joe Hayden]

So, long story short, we ended up punting. That defense gets back out there, right? What do we do again? Three and out. Okay. Punt.

In the passing lanes. You know what I'm saying? Do what we supposed to do. Then Browns get the ball back. Okay.

1St and 10. Shador scrambles a little incomplete to Judy. But the next dance, second and ten.

Hits Judy on the money. He gets that nice inside release, kind of runs like a little slant, diggish, you know what I'm saying? Hits him right on the money. Takes it 40 yards for a touchdown. We go up.

[James Debo Harrison]

Debo, I think that one might have been closer to 60.

[Joe Hayden]

It might have been closer to 60 yards. 60 yards. It was a big one. That's all I know.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir.

Had a scramble before that, too, though.

[Joe Hayden]

But I ain't tripping. Listen, I ain't tripping. I'm just trying to get the one man through that TD pass.

[James Debo Harrison]

The take us to the lead, 14 to 7.

[Joe Hayden]

Y up.

[James Debo Harrison]

What the defense do when they come out?

[Joe Hayden]

You know exactly what we did. Miles gary gets his 20th sack, okay? And they punt the Rock. And they punt the Rock again. So then we get the ball checked down.

[James Debo Harrison]

He only got one.

[Joe Hayden]

What you say?

[James Debo Harrison]

You only got one?

[Joe Hayden]

He got 200 sacks, Deo.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm just saying, he only got one yesterday.

[Joe Hayden]

So Browns get the ball back. Check down halftime at halftime. Browns up 17 to 14. And.

We get the ball first. Okay?

[James Debo Harrison]

I mean, y' all got, like, a nice couple plays, you know, but then you had the point.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, we get a couple first down.

[James Debo Harrison]

Can y' all trade three announcements?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, a bunch of three and outs.

[James Debo Harrison]

Why do y' all trade three and outs with the Titans?

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It's the Titans.

[James Debo Harrison]

You're supposed to be the Browns. Okay? And then you get out there on second and 20 and shadow, do some shadow. That ain't.

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That was his worst play.

That was his worst place. You know, wild out. That's the one. The one thing that shadow.

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[Joe Hayden]

Who to pick? Okay then, two plays.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, Tennessee got the ball. Hey, what happened? Who that man name is? Y' all put some respect on this.

[Joe Hayden]

Hollered two plays later, he just gets missing again.

Gets missing again. Debo takes the lead. They up 2117 and that's points.

[James Debo Harrison]

Y' all do points?

[Joe Hayden]

All turnovers. All right, what we do?

[James Debo Harrison]

What y' all do?

[Joe Hayden]

Y' all punting. Jeffrey Simmons blowing up a whole line.

[James Debo Harrison]

Y' all went out there and made them punt and then y' all got the ball. Backing with y'. All.

[Joe Hayden]

We coughed it up. We coughed it up on the seven yard line. They ran it back to the seven yard line. All right, they get the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, what Tennessee do with the ball, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

A touchdown, man. Man to man beater.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, man, keep your hat on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Is it getting hot over there? So we're down 20. It's 28, 28, 17.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, y' all get back out there. Y'.

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[James Debo Harrison]

Y' all go to point the ball. What happened, Joe? I ain't watching.

[Joe Hayden]

Get it blocked.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, Lord, Joe. What Tennessee do with that?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, God. They got a field goal. They got a field goal. They got a field goal. We stopped. We tried to put out the fire. So that was 31 to 17. It started getting bad fast. All right, then we get the ball back. We get down there. We go down to school. Door gets down there to school. Okay.

Why do we go for the two point conversion, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

Right then. Right then we need to kick the field goal right there. We just. We're gonna get back. We're gonna get into it. Kick the field goal. What are you doing? Kick the field goal because we're gonna be down by seven, so we're not chasing points. Why would we have to be chasing points?

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[Joe Hayden]

Boom. Defense gets back out there. We get another.

[James Debo Harrison]

We get three and out.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, Browns get the ball back. Yes, we get. Let's go all the way down there. A dot to Fannin.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let's go.

[Joe Hayden]

Touchdown, Shador. Get down there. We get. We get down and we go for the two. And I'm not mad at Judkins. He faked. He faked the little play. Shador in his press conference after the game said they said did play work. Obviously when they ran the play in practice, it probably worked.

[James Debo Harrison]

It worked.

[Joe Hayden]

Judkins, I love him. He's not. He's. He just had a brain malfunction. He got the toe and he was running over there to like, act like he was really going to run. But you ran. Act like you had it for too long and ran right by the man you supposed to pitch it to. So that's. That's on him. I'm not knocking junkets, but just for the play call situation.

[James Debo Harrison]

My thing is this all y' all two point Conversion plays are some type of trickery, so people are waiting.

[Joe Hayden]

All I know is a lot of trickery. They've done it before. They started doing it with Dylan Gabriel when they were in London, so I've seen them run the wildcat before, but Nobody threw for 365 yards and led two drives down there, like, really passing the ball. I want it in his hands to finish.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm g. Give him opportunity.

[Joe Hayden]

Give him an opportunity. You know what I'm saying? You got to it just the y'.

[James Debo Harrison]

All. Y. Hey, what y' all lose by?

[Joe Hayden]

We lost by. We lost by two points. We lost by two points.

[James Debo Harrison]

That bad?

[Joe Hayden]

That's just the first one. Kick the field goal. Kick the field goal. I don't know why. Like that. That one almost pisses me off more because I've seen him do the dumb stuff before when he took out.

[James Debo Harrison]

This is what I'm talking about, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I love.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't love, but I love it. I don't feel this. This passion, this anger when it's the other way. We.

[Joe Hayden]

Let me tell you why, Debo. Because we won the game. Right now, my boys are mathematically eliminated. So it's just a little different vibe right now. On this side still is me and my dog. We're worried about trying to win the division. Still on this side, I'm trying to figure out why things keep malfunctioning the way that they do.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know. So it's the Browns, man. Come on, stop it.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

The Browns got issues, man. The defense went out there, and so.

[Joe Hayden]

The defense sold the special team.

That.

[James Debo Harrison]

They sold out for the pass and didn't respect the run that came out of his mouth himself. Pollard went on here and got 161 on you two tutties. Y' all gave up 184 rushing, turned the ball over. Y' all didn't hold him to field goals. They scored touchdowns. You can't stop the run. Only thing they did good was actually run the ball. And you don't put all your emphasis into doing that. So you can then pin your ears back and be able to pass rush them once your offense gets up and they have to pass the ball. So they allowed them to do the one thing they could actually do decent. And didn't that dude Coach Leau be like, yo, they can run the ball. Listen, we know that he can't pass or he has issues with passing. We're going to make them beat us passing the ball. You're not going to be able to Piss a drop, dude. You know, Shador played well, minus the interception. Played very good, dude. 365 yards, three ties, one rushing. Fenoy got 114. Judy actually got him three for 76. Like. But they had no run game. They had no run game. Special teams always selling. They giving up big returns left and right, you know, like that. That's just. That's just what it is. I don't even know. Y' all might want to get rid of y' all coordinator or something. Hell with Steelers. That's the only thing I would keep right now is the special teams coach.

[Joe Hayden]

Like I'm keeping Dan Smith ain't going nowhere.

But for me, Deebo, it was really like you said too. Like defense, they. I'm not knocking them. But you have to say what happened in the game. Our defense right there sold our run defense. We couldn't have. We shouldn't. Tony Pollard should not be running for 165 yards on us. Those big plays when he scores touchdowns, not okay on the. On the offensive side. Shador dog, you played a great game. The little things I would say is the pick and just the retreating, you know what I'm saying? Spinning out of the pocket. You're a little slow when it comes to your spin out. They're going to hit you when you do that. I'm saying that slow was a little. I can see it coming from a mile away. So just your little slow on the rolling out of the pocket and the interception. Besides that, my brother, I love the way you keep your eyes downfield. I love the way you're throwing the ball to the receivers you're hitting. We do for 365, three touchdowns. You really out there doing your thing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, 1950.

[Joe Hayden]

This is his third start overall.

[James Debo Harrison]

Brawl.

[Joe Hayden]

So when I see all of this.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, Dylan, I ain't gonna lie to you, man. Sit back.

[Joe Hayden]

And.

When I tell you this too, Shador Jour, his first start he had, he threw 20 passes. Second start he threw for 25. And this one he threw for 42 passes. He threw for 42 passes and 364 yards. My man, Dylan Gabriel and his second start versus Steelers threw for 52 times for 221 yards. You know what I'm saying? I'm loving just the thing that we know there's chances down the field. He's throwing some check downs. A lot of his incompletions were him throwing the ball away. I'd take that any day, you know what I'm saying? I'd have took more Throwing the ball away instead of just waiting back there, trying to create more and throw a pick when we're doing good. Just don't turn the ball over to offense. Sampson when he fumbled it, you know what I'm saying? Those two things are. Just keep those away and we could still mess around and we could have won with our defense giving up that type of, with, with that type of performance. So I'm, it's positive for me looking at the offensive side of the ball. We've been always fighting for the Browns to score 17 damn points, you know what I'm saying? That was 29 on some chill like. And nobody's acting like there's three touchdowns passing, one touchdown running 365 yards. I was entertained, you know what I'm saying? Like you didn't thought the ball was.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, I understand, baby. So I understand.

[Joe Hayden]

That's how I feel about it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. And you know, it was other good news in the North. Cincinnati went on out there and blew a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter.

They're up, what was it? 28 to 18 with just under nine minutes left in the fourth quarter. They let Josh Allen go 40 yards for the TD and then that dude was at Bedford 40.

[Joe Hayden]

That man been balling, he done.

[James Debo Harrison]

He makes a great play. I didn't like him last week.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you that I love him now.

[James Debo Harrison]

But he makes a great play, dude. And goes 63, dude for the return for the touchdown. And then the very next drive, Burrow is intercepted again.

They get another touchdown from that. They up 11, 21 unanswered. Out of nowhere they end up scoring a touchdown later. But it was just too late. Like I said, things are going real good for us over here. You know, we going. Things ain't going too good though for Kansas City when we get down. Kansas City ended up losing to the Texans. Man.

They got, they got, I guess they got decisions to make, you know, when it's coming around, when it comes down to it, I think they just done got to a point to where it's too many for me. It's too many mistakes. Like if it drops, you know, you can't overcome, you know, the things that they had to overcome before. Like especially when your receivers dropping the ball tip picks, all that other stuff. I'm not getting rid of my homes. That's gonna happen. I'm just gonna have to get players around it. And plus you're playing against the Texans.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, that's man, that's a good defense.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what I'M saying, but at the same time I'm, I'm Mahomes.

Where You got it, you got it. You got to get, you got to get some people around them. That's, that's going to be able to secure a lot of these things. And then again, like I think the defense has to, you know, be able to do more.

What do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

Are you talking about with the Bengals?

[James Debo Harrison]

No, I'm talking about Kansas City Chiefs.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh yeah, my bad. Patrick Mahomes, he ain't going nowhere, coach. Like you said, he's going to. He signed a 10 year deal probably five years ago. They just going to keep bringing up Patrick Mahomes. Long as he's healthy, he's not going nowhere. I think it's like you said too, they're dropping the ball. It looks like a lot of like not discipline because you were able to get away with stuff by out talenting people, just having better players. But if you're dropping the ball, just not making your assignments tip picks, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's not a way that you're going to be able to succeed. So I don't think it's Patrick's fault. I just think that they need to kind of just sharpen it down. Everybody has to pay attention to the little details because you're just, you're not able, you're not just better just than everybody else. Like you were just with Tyreek Hill a couple years ago, Travis Kelce, you know what I'm saying? Just dudes was out. I can just beat you one on one now it's more you got to catch the ball, you got to be in your assignment, you got to be running things on time. Like you need to be there and catch the ball and you know what I'm saying? So just not doing the simple things routinely. They were just so used to Patrick Mahomes going to get us out of the situation where he still can sometimes.

[James Debo Harrison]

But like right now he still can. They just got a whole rock, you.

[Joe Hayden]

Know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't do that against a defense like, you know, a defense like Houston. That's not, that's not, that's not gonna happen.

[Joe Hayden]

I say this though, like you said, my homes ain't going nowhere, my homie. No, no, no. You gonna fix something. That's everybody, something else gonna have to change.

[James Debo Harrison]

Speaking of quarterbacks, we lost one. The coach, Daniel Jones looks like he suffered an Achilles injury in the loss to Jackson to the Jaguars.

[Joe Hayden]

That was non contact too.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, non Contact.

[Joe Hayden]

You saw how pissed he was, man. I was like. I felt.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question. Yeah, I felt all that. Be praying for him, you know, hopefully fast recovery, but he's. He's gonna be done for this year.

You know what time it is, baby?

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[James Debo Harrison]

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Hey, hey, she's talking about. She talking about you. She's talking about your guys.

[Joe Hayden]

Stefanski, man, she's like everything he did, but except for Stefanski.

[James Debo Harrison]

She said she loved everything that Shador did yesterday. Except that short bus. Coach, he said, she's saying that coach, he'd be on the short bus, man.

[Joe Hayden]

See, I'm not going to say that the man's on the short bus. Covenant. We got to, we got to be nicer. Okay? Not the short bus. But you know what? He does maybe need to be fired. You know, I think Shador is going to be the quarterback for the future. I don't know if he really believes in Shador. He said that he gave up play calling, but then at the same time he says I call. I. I know I call everything and do everything. So I don't know.

Yeah, I'm glad with what Shador did too. I just want him to move a little bit quicker now and not do that spin out that slow spin out. You know what I'm saying? Kind of step up, throw the ball away a little bit more and that's. That's it. I mean, 365, four, three. Three touchdowns, one rushing. I love it.

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[Joe Hayden]

He'S gonna be mad. He's gonna be fuming coming out.

[James Debo Harrison]

She said, remember Jesse James?

[Joe Hayden]

Jesse James called it. And peasy lil peasy, man, he's balling out there. Joey Pointer, he just had the Lord just a little.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just a little bit.

[Joe Hayden]

Just a little bit. And he was. Had a little grab low. But now in the league they don't let you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they used to let us.

[Joe Hayden]

They used to teach us when they coming down very low, just get a little.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just depends. It's really dependent. Especially if you're somebody like he's somebody that's getting looked at. So it's not like he's going to get the liberties of being able to get away with that and them not see it. They're looking like, you know, that's like when I was getting fined for him for sure. If any part of my helmet touch any part of their helmet.

[Joe Hayden]

Receiver coaches, the receiver coaches are talking to the ref and receivers before the game, man, watch 24, man. He'd be grabbing. That's what they trying to say. They're trying to just put eyes on you. So I'm like, don't. Don't even let that be a thing. You got good feet, jp. You got three feet, Joey. You know what I'm saying? Just keep using them.

[James Debo Harrison]

We got another one from Iraq, Afghanistan vet donate $20. And said, Debo, I gotta say my bad for parking that white car like that when you were getting your boy's hair. I feel like a POS for that. My bad. Hey, man, I really appreciate that, man. So here. This is what happened, man. I was going to get. I was. I was. I was in. I was in Newcastle. I was going to get my boy's haircut. And it was a guy. He's a vet, and he was parked in, like, halfway in between, like, the handicap spot and the actual walkway. So when I come in, I'm like, hey, who the park? What's the name? Right? And he go, me? Why? I go. I said. I said, you know, me personally, I wanted to, like, pop. And I'm like, nope, I'm not gonna pop, because I'm not. I said, well, I see you got a handicap, like, sticker on the back of your car or. Or was on his tag. I said, and you go, and you actually block the handicap ramp access. I said, that's a real piece of. Right there, if you ask me. You know what I'm saying? So you know what I'm saying? But that's what ended up happening. So that's what this is from. I'm like, yeah, you seem like a real good guy.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

You going block. You got. You handicapped. You know, you got handicapped access on yourself, on your place.

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[Joe Hayden]

Yo, thank you guys for tuning in to Tebow and Joe, man. It's been a great time. That's what I said. You sound like. I said Tebow. I say Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

You said.

[Joe Hayden]

I said.

[James Debo Harrison]

It ain't T. Bo. I like.

[Joe Hayden]

You like T. Bo. Shout out Debo, man. See us tomorrow, man. We see y' all tomorrow.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let's get it. Yeah.

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