Deebo & Joe - Steelers Playoff Worries? Will Browns Draft Another QB? + Harbaugh's future uncertain

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Deebo & Joe: Steelers Playoff Worries? Will Browns Draft Another QB? + Harbaugh's Future Uncertain

Date: January 6, 2026
Hosts: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

This lively episode, hosted by Steelers legends James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden, centers on the NFL playoff picture—with a particular focus on the Pittsburgh Steelers, their Monday night matchup against the Houston Texans, skeptical narratives about their aging roster, Cleveland Browns’ quarterback situation, and the uncertain future of Ravens head coach John Harbaugh. The duo combines classic football banter, player perspective, and candid opinions, delivering both comic relief and genuine insight on hot-button issues around the AFC North.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Steelers’ Playoff Mindset & Monday Night Advantage

Timestamps: 02:08–21:04; 16:35–19:12

• Celebratory Vibes: Harrison and Haden revel in the Steelers’ North title, playfully dubbing themselves royalty:

  “When you’re kings of the North, you don’t listen to peasants.” – Deebo (03:41)

• Fan Rivalries: Take playful shots at Ravens rivals and fans, referencing ongoing social media smack talk.

• Monday Night Football Streak:

  • Hosts highlight Pittsburgh’s historic 23-game winning streak at home on Monday nights, dating back to 1991.

    "Last time we lost a game on Monday night at home, Joe, you was... sitting down, shitting in your diapers, man." – Deebo (16:49)

  • NFL is putting the Steelers in the spotlight, possibly "setting up" for a fall, but Deebo and Joe see it as a chance for history.

    “The NFL, they want to see us win. They want us to succeed Monday Night Football at home.” – Deebo (16:49)

2. Addressing Criticism of Steelers’ Aging Core

Timestamps: 09:02–14:46

• Anonymous Exec Hate:

  • Deebo reacts to a quote saying T.J. Watt, Cam Heyward, and Aaron Rodgers are “just about shot,” calling it pure hate and questioning anonymous criticism.

    “Put your name on it. NFL exec." – Joe (09:36)

  • Both defend veteran value, pointing to performance strategies with age, and share stories of intensive body maintenance.

    “As you get older, you get wiser into the season... you reload each week.” – Deebo (10:29) “That’s a hater in my eyes… A-Rod throwing them dots. That’s a hater in my eyes.” – Joe (10:05)

• T.J. Watt’s Impact Beyond Stats:

  • Deebo explains Watt’s double- and triple-teams enable teammates’ success—impact isn’t always on the stat sheet.

    “He is impacting the game just by being on the field... they put so much more effort into trying to stop one man.” – Deebo (13:07)

3. Cleveland Browns Quarterback Uncertainty & Draft Talk

Timestamps: 27:11–32:47

• Will the Browns Draft Another QB?
  • Joe discusses Browns GM Andrew Berry’s statement that the starter “could be internal or external.”

    “It's too important a position, and it's something that has to be solidified… The new coach will also have a lot of input.” – Joe (27:34)

  • They expect a camp battle between Shadore Sanders, Deshaun Watson (with his huge guaranteed salary), and young prospects.

    “I think Shadore is going to be the backup or the starter. But having Watkins there… you have Shadore, Dylan Gabriel, two quarterbacks on rookie contracts.” – Joe (28:24)

  • Cautious optimism about the Browns’ future thanks to draft capital and flexibility.

    “I think he's a good GM. I think he's gonna be able to get talent there, and I think that’s gonna help us out, bro.” – Joe (30:44)

4. Hot Takes on College Compensation and NFL Economics

Timestamps: 32:47–38:45

• College QBs Getting Paid:
  • Deebo notes Texas Tech’s QB will make nearly as much as an NFL rookie.

    “What’s gonna motivate me to go to the next level if I know I ain’t gonna be the first pick?... I could get this bread [in college].” – Deebo (35:11)

  • Both support college players getting paid, but question if big NIL money dampens NFL aspirations.
• NFL & NFLPA CBA Critiques:
  • Deebo argues NFL owners could (and should) pay players more, given current, massive TV/streaming revenues.

    “…NFLPA is failing the players… They need to get this together before this next CBA.” – Deebo (37:52)

5. John Harbaugh’s Future with the Ravens

Timestamps: 39:02–39:41

• Neither host believes Harbaugh will be fired.

  • Acknowledgement that he’s had trouble winning “the big one” lately, but see no logical replacement.

    “I don’t see them ever firing him especially... not right now.” – Deebo (39:03)
    “Who you gonna get for him?” – Joe (39:07)

• Debate over what offseason moves the Ravens can and should make, including salary cap concerns and coach/roster changes.

6. Tua Tagovailoa & Team Mismanagement

Timestamps: 40:18–43:19

• Conversation about Tua’s situation after benching and high guarantee, with speculation about teams willing to take on his heavy contract.

  “If I’m Tua I’m saying exactly what he said: ‘I’m down for a fresh start.’” – Joe (41:43) “Ain’t nobody picking that up. Y’all might as well… get ready to add that to the cap.” – Deebo (42:44)

7. Player Injuries & Disclosures

Timestamps: 47:31–53:11

• Reaction to Russell Wilson’s admission he hid an injury from the Giants, sparking a broader discussion on NFL injury disclosure.

  “I ain’t mad at nobody making money. I ain’t tripping on the quarterback having more money. I would do the same thing.” – Deebo (34:56) “Depending on your situation... you’re going to take the chance of either not telling or you’re going to tell and play.” – Deebo (51:50)

• Both recount personal stories about hiding injuries to protect their spot or avoid becoming target for opponents.

8. Play or Fade & College Football Picks

Timestamps: 53:20–58:47

• Segment where Deebo and Joe riff on college football Prize Picks, joking about their alma maters, some playful banter about who “wins” more picks.

  “If it says up and it says Indiana, I’m more, more, more.” – Joe (57:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “When you’re kings of the North, you don’t listen to peasants.”
  – Deebo (03:41)

• “That’s a hater in my eyes… A-Rod throwing them dots. That’s a hater in my eyes.”
  – Joe (10:05)

• “Put your name on it. NFL exec.”
  – Joe (09:36)

• “Best nicknames you get is the ones you get from everybody else. I ain’t ever one nickname that I made up. You earned that.”
  – Deebo (18:41)

• “This is worse than marriage... They say it’s cheaper to keep her. Hey, this one opportunity.”
  – Deebo on Tua’s contract (43:03)

• “They ain’t never gonna be nothing. They Rat Birds. They vermin… About the rat birds.”
  – Deebo addressing a fan question (59:39–60:15)

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Fan Interaction Highlights

Timestamps: 59:02–61:43

• Live chat Q&A features Steelers vs. Ravens trash talk, with Deebo reiterating traditional Pittsburgh pride and rivalry banter.
• Playful jabs at “Rat Birds” (Ravens fans), to the delight of viewers.

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Conclusion & Next Episode Tease

Timestamps: 62:17–63:23

• Reminders about playoff ticket giveaways and encouragement for fans to follow on Instagram.
• Tease for Friday’s deeper playoff breakdown.

  “Get your boys to 100k before Super Bowl. It’s nothing. All you gotta do is hit the like and subscribe button.” – Joe (63:02)

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode…

This episode delivers classic Deebo & Joe: unapologetically pro-Steelers, unfiltered about the NFL business, and ready to break down fan concerns, playoff hype, and the behind-the-scenes realities of veteran performance and front office politics. Expect laughs, inside player perspective, and plenty of rivalry heat—exactly what AFC North fans live for.

Transcript

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[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to D Boy and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today Joe Deebo.

[Joe Hayden]

Another great day. Another beautiful day to be on the pod talking to my good man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes sir. Yes sir. Joe, I'm feeling real good man. You know I still still got me a little cigar you I'm still.

[Joe Hayden]

I see you still ring up.

[James Debo Harrison]

Still talking with my hands. You know what I'm saying? We don't play till Monday, so we get an extra day. This is what I'm doing on my extra day. You know what I'm saying? I'm taking this celebration a little bit longer, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Enjoying myself, you know? So that's. That's what you do.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, that's what you do when you win, when you. When you get hats and T shirts.

[James Debo Harrison]

Victory Tuesday, now, baby, you know what I'm saying? Hats and T shirts. That's what. Oh, man, I got. I got. I have my hat for you. I have my hat for you. Next time we get back on.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

I have my hat for y' all next time I get back on here.

[Joe Hayden]

But I'm coming to the game, too. I'm gonna be there Monday.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. Okay, let's go. I'm in the building while you go be there. You know what else we gonna have? Two sets of two tickets to the playoff game, see as we go and slap around the Houston Texans. But this is what I want y' all to understand is that, you know, when you're in the position that we're in, you get a lot of hate. And you know when you're kings of the north.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

You. You don't listen to the peasants. You know when you are your majesty, Joseph Walter Hayden iii.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, full God.

[James Debo Harrison]

And I am your majesty, James Henry Harrison Jr. Come on.

[Joe Hayden]

That sounds like. That sounds like.

[James Debo Harrison]

You feel me?

[Joe Hayden]

The crown.

[James Debo Harrison]

You don't. You don't listen to the opinions of peasants such as this gentleman.

[Joe Hayden]

Butter.

[James Debo Harrison]

Butter has something to say, man. Butter has something to say, man. Look at that. We got the clip. Look at it. Look at it.

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Look at that boy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Name is over there. He always running to my. Butter. Butter. Hey, Butter. Butter. Butter. Where you at, Butter? Look here, man. If you ain't come here to talk, stealing football. If you come here to complain and do all that. Look here, baby, between love, man, I really believe that. I think that Ravens is one of the few birds that you can shoot all year long. I could be wrong, but when you a Stella, that's all we do. We hungry.

[Joe Hayden]

I watched Butters this morning. I know he was sick. His reaction. He didn't even say anything. He said nothing.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Hey, buddy, you don't need to say nothing, baby, okay?

[James Debo Harrison]

Get it.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, listen, listen, listen. Go ahead.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Get it out while you listen.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

This is me. Get it out while you can.

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Cause you got.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Listen, I don't care. You got one more week. Y' all got one more week, bro. I'm not even. We not even about to go on Vacation yet. We gonna wait for y'.

[James Debo Harrison]

All.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

We're gonna wait for y' all to lose, and then we gonna gas up the pace and come pick y' all up. Texas, let's get the state. I'm saying let's not even play with them.

[Odoo Advertiser]

You think?

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Because, like, I see, I can't be. I. I ain't got time to hear this.

[James Debo Harrison]

All.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

You know, I'm saying, all. All the playoffs in. In.

[James Debo Harrison]

In. In the season.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

I ain't got time to hear all this. So cj Str. Lock it in. Somebody get me. Somebody get me Sketch. So I. I gotta talk to Sketch so he can rattle the troops. I got the game plan. I know what they gonna do. They gonna hand the ball off. They gonna throw a screen. They gonna throw that Jo. That recede to the tight end. They go. They DK come back.

[James Debo Harrison]

They ain't gonna use dk, right?

[Guest Caller or Listener]

They ain't gonna use dk. They just go use. Throw that bit up to Austin for the deep ball. I'm telling you, I can't listen. I ain't got the capacity to deal with this right here. Oh, my goodness.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Y' all need put out there the closer something.

[Joe Hayden]

I know.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

I know them like the back of my hand, bro. I lie for you before I lie to you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Debo and Jo, y' all know damn well y' all should not be in that playoff spot.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Y' all knew that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Wow. Okay. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

All right.

[James Debo Harrison]

Wait till next year.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Wait till next year. Make sure y' all hear next year, Grandma cookies. Because the things we about to do in the office about to be astronomical.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. In Cancun.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, yo, yo. I ain't gonna listen. Listen. I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe. I was actually kind of. I was actually kind of worried about him because I like you. I. I saw the video, and I didn't see no reaction, you know, And. And I want him, you know, to go and do nothing foolish. Yeah. Time that, you know, he was. He was grieving and mourning.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Over the loss of his football team. You know, I'm saying for a game that he already knew the Rat Birds was go lose.

[Joe Hayden]

He knew the result. But I love his passion.

[James Debo Harrison]

Look here, man, I just got tired of. Of hearing and seeing, you know, he had all his little disciples, little Rat Bird fans running over to my page, you know, putting things on there, running their mouth, being real disrespectful. And when you disrespectful, this is what you get. You get taught respect. You get dealt With Joe, Joe, Joe. What is Lamar's record now against the Pittsburgh Steelers?

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, it's not too.

[James Debo Harrison]

What is it? What is it, three and seven now? Three and eight, Something like that? That's the regular season. He got an X1. Listen, that's last year we talking about right now. You understand? But here to go. The crazy thing, man.

[Joe Hayden]

What's the crazy thing?

[James Debo Harrison]

All of a sudden, he done turned into, like. He sound like he a Houston Texan fan right now, let me tell you.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, Debo, he's a legitimate. That's the thing. He's a legit Ravens fan, and that's why I rock.

[James Debo Harrison]

He ain't a Ravens fan. He is still a hater. And it's a bunch of them out here, the enemy. And my enemy is my friend.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes, you can.

[James Debo Harrison]

We lose, Joe. We lose. I'm hoping don't nobody win the.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't nobody else win.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm hoping they have a tie for the next nine months straight while the season roll around and they got to stop and start over for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

But say yes, yes, yes, but if. So, if the. If the. If the Rat Birds was in it, you wouldn't want them to lose.

[James Debo Harrison]

It ain't about wanting them to lose. I know they go lose. They is what they is. They always have been and they always will be. The big games come and they drop a knee, they cop a squat, lay an egg.

[Joe Hayden]

It's been years and years.

[James Debo Harrison]

He know this. Why is he sitting here doing this? And then you got some. Some. Some unknown, random NFL exec talking about tj, Cam and Rogers. They just about. They just about shot. Anonymous exec told the Athletic. He said Rogers at 42, Cam Hayward at 36, and TJ Hartley making plays. Except when the ball lands in his belly like he did Sunday, these three guys are just about shot. I think Houston chokes them out. That's a hater.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a hater. Put your name on it. NFL exec.

[James Debo Harrison]

Anonymous, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Anonymous. That's what anonymous people do. They just gonna say. You can say whatever, because then you can hide behind. Anonymous. I just threw it out there. You gonna tell me cam Hayward at 36. I don't care what you talking about. He looked like the best D tackle in the league. He looked like he was 26 years old. Prime cam. What are we talking about? You know what I'm saying? T.J. came back pick. You know what I'm saying? He's got sacks. He's got a punctured lung still out there hooping Running plays down. That's a hater in my eyes. A rod throwing them dots. That's a hater in my eyes. Deebo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, it's a 100% hater. That's all it is. That's all it's ever gonna be. Now look here. I played the game. You played the game. We know. Yes. Father Time catches up to all of us.

[Joe Hayden]

Nobody can be undeniable.

[James Debo Harrison]

Aaron and Cam, of course, they're getting close to the end. And, yes, they're getting older. But as you get older, you get wiser into the season, you realize what you need to do to make sure that that end of the season, you feeling as fresh as you do at the beginning of the season so that your body is right. You reload each week. And that's what you seeing right now with Aaron Rodgers and Cam. The more time Aaron Rodgers gets to teach and build rapport with that offense and his receivers, the better they are getting. They spend time at this man's house doing film study on the off day.

[Joe Hayden]

Which is the most time I've ever seen.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. And a couple other times during the week that they are there after practice getting it together.

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Mm.

[James Debo Harrison]

You think Cam is not reloading?

[Joe Hayden]

You know Cam's reloading that dude. Everything weak.

[James Debo Harrison]

Trying to make sure and making sure he's doing it.

[Joe Hayden]

You see it with the performance.

[James Debo Harrison]

He's reloading. You see that? Ravens down, down.

[Joe Hayden]

Down goes. Down goes Ravens.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, when I played. When I play, bruh, I did my recovery for my body, especially as I got it doubled, tripled like hell on a normal week when the season would first start. Dude, I see my chiropractor maybe once or twice a week. You know, my doctor twice get a massage twice, acupuncture once a week, and then, you know, dry needling, whatever. I needed it. When I got into the later seasons, that would increase, especially as I got older. My last year, 2017, I. Well, 2016, that's the last year I really played. I ain't really played 17, but, dude, I was seeing my chiropractor three times a week. I was seeing my doctor four times a week. Then I had massage four days a week, acupuncture twice a week, and dry needling every week. I was getting treatment five out of six days, sometimes during the week, and some days I was getting treatment as I was leaving the hotel to go to the game. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So whoever you have to.

[James Debo Harrison]

So whoever this is, like, that's saying this, yo, old and slow, all that other stuff. Yo, you tripping, bro. That's hate.

[Joe Hayden]

That's hate.

[James Debo Harrison]

And you know what's so crazy is would let me know it was hate. He talking about the choke you out. That's hate. Choke you out. And y' all want to talk about tj? TJ ain't got nothing left, dude. That's crazy. Again, people, he don't have the numbers. I see that. But what you don't realize is that he is impacting the game just by being on the field. When you go back, dude, and you look at his numbers like he, he was hurting. What, 22. He got hurt in 22, 23. He came back and did it. 24, he was still doing it now in 24 he was getting double team. I think Pro Football focus had it at like 14, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

But they added a new stat that was there and it was called a. A chip rate or something like that. He was being chipped at the third highest percentage in the NFL. And with that happening, he still came away with 11 and a half. Now you forward to this year. Earlier in the year, they had him at a 66% double team rate. Okay. And when you do that, that allows your other rushers one on one opportunities to go in there and make the plays. Yes, you can say all that you want to say. All you got to do is look and see how much more effort they done put into trying to stop one man.

[Joe Hayden]

This the tape. Don't lie.

[James Debo Harrison]

Don't stop hating.

[Joe Hayden]

See, that's all it is, Debo. And I, I just not a fan of the. When NFL execs, they hide behind. If you're an NFL exec and you want to put something out there, this is like, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

I want to be anonymous. I want to put it out there. I want to just put my name on it. Put your name on it. That's probably why you shouldn't even be an exec there.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause you weak. You don't. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't like that weirdos.

[James Debo Harrison]

NFL exec. If that's the case, you won't put your name on it. Don't say nothing, understand? Hell Butter put his name on all this.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I love. And that's why he getting all the smoke.

[James Debo Harrison]

He gonna get all the smoke. All the smoke, Joe. I ain't gonna lie to you though. I guess I feel, I feel so good, you know, it's just. I.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, come on, bro. You know what it is? It's that playoff vibe.

[James Debo Harrison]

Is that what it is? Right?

[Joe Hayden]

That's exactly what it is.

[James Debo Harrison]

And we about to go. Yes, brother, yes.

[Joe Hayden]

We in the building. I'mma do the same. Debo. I ain't going to lie to you. I'm getting tired of you. You keep on giving stuff away, and I'm normally the one that gets stuff. I'mma give away two tickets to the game, to the play, to the playoff game on Monday.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, so we got three sets of two tickets.

[Joe Hayden]

Three sets of two tickets. That's going to. So it's going to be jumping. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to go ahead and get involved. I need to go ahead and get involved.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know what y'. All. Y' all know what you got to do, man. You know what you got to do. Follow Joe, myself, Debo and Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo and Joe.

[James Debo Harrison]

We will put that up probably tomorrow. Well, Friday, and let you. Or sometime later during the show and let y' all know exactly where to go. I believe you go to the D boy and Joe, Instagram. You can sign up there, make sure you get all the information in there you need. So you can be one of the lucky three to go see us get our first playoff win.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

2016. On top of that, they are like, yo, let's put this on Monday night. You know why they put this on Monday night, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Because, you know, because that's. We. We don't. We don't. We do very well on Monday night.

[James Debo Harrison]

We do very well on Monday night. And now for me to sit here and I'm like, yo, the NFL, this is. They want to see us win. They want us to succeed Monday Night Football at home. At home, where we are. 23 game, winning streak strong. Joe. Joe, we. Like I told you before, Joe, the last time we lost the game on Monday night at home, Joe, you was. You were sitting down, shitting in your diapers, man. You know.

[Joe Hayden]

How long ago was it?

[James Debo Harrison]

1991.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my goodness. Myself.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, you was, Joe, listen.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, so that's wicked. Oh, yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

I was. I was almost a grown man in 90. How old were you in 91? I was all I had. I had three kids. I had.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you did not have three kids in 91, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

I was. I'm just trying to get you to understand. I had a lot of. I had a lot more responsibilities than you.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

I was, too.

[Joe Hayden]

I was trying to get. I was just on both feet.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm trying to figure it out, and, you know, it's. It's okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's get it, though. That's all. When Coach T. On a Monday night when we gonna be in the building? It gotta get turned.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Listen, man, it ain't. It's the reason they called me Mr. Monday Night, man. That was. That was my tag. That's why they called me Mr. Monday Night. Because they know at home when the license zone is Monday night. They ain't even called me Deebo. They said that's. He said it's Mr. Monday Night. That's all they say. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you gotta lay in with this.

[James Debo Harrison]

The best nicknames you get is the ones you get from everybody else. I ain't never one nickname that I made up. You feel me? You ain't.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't give yourself that nickname.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, you earned that. I earned it, man. And you know what, man? It's really surprising to see that this is what the NFL wants, man. They want us to go out here and win this. I can see. Cause they putting us there. You know? They putting us there. 23 straight, baby. They want to see 24.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna keep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hold up. I'm tripping. I'm tripping. They could be hating. They could be hoping.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't do the downfall, Debo. Don't do that. Don't listen.

[James Debo Harrison]

This is what they hope. I want to let them know that they ain't putting us on there because they like us. I already know Roger hate the Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's time and maybe.

[James Debo Harrison]

Nope. Opportunity. They think that they have to go ahead and be like, well, we're going to go and put them on.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

Praying for our downfall so they can see the record broken. They try so that they can. NFL playoffs was shown.

[Joe Hayden]

You need to use them.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, you go get to see history made again.

[Joe Hayden]

We need to use the reverse psychology, Debo, if that's the case. They tried to put us on the last game last night to not make the playoffs. Got him out the way. Get out of business. They thought lonely. Got Demar. Derrick Henry. They're going to run over you the whole game. Y' all are going to lose. Got through for a loop, okay? And now, Houston Texans, they got the craziest defense. Now, no disrespect, that's what I'm not going to do on this, on this cast is respect that D line. So what we need to do is head swivel. You know what I'm saying? We gonna come in there with respect.

[James Debo Harrison]

We gonna get to that, man. But this is swivel right here, man. You know what they doing? They trying to. They trying to play the ends against the middle.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna do them again. We gonna show them again. We gonna show them again in front of everybody.

[James Debo Harrison]

When I think about it. So you don't know. Go back, I'm go back, I'm go back. I'm telling a little story. So when I was getting fined, when we was all getting fined over there in 2000, 2009, sorry, 2009, when they started that player initiative thing, that safety thing, they said it was a safety thing.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

We were playing the game, and early in the game, dude, we had got, like, files called. That wasn't files, like hits. That wasn't, you know, wasn't illegal hits.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

So it was like, right after, like, a commercial break or something. I don't remember what it was going on, but one of the players that was playing for us, I'm not gonna say who it is. Okay. He's on the sideline, and you know how the ref stand on the sideline over there? So the ref is standing there. So he called the ref, or he was like, yo, man, come on, man, that wasn't a file. The ref turns and says, we're told to call everything. That's even questionable on the Stillers. And he realized. He said the quiet part out loud and just walked away. Dude. It was crazy. And we was like. He was like, whoa, whoa, hey. What? What? And he just walked away.

[Joe Hayden]

Ah, you. Yes. You know, they're humans. I hope that's not the case. We haven't been doing anything crazy on defense this year, so they don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, no. I'm just saying. I'm just trying to. I'm trying to get you to understand the same man in position that was starting that initiative, trying to make a. Trying to make a example. Trying to make me the poster board for later.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

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[James Debo Harrison]

And everything else. You all right? The same person in position right now that made this game where it's at.

[Joe Hayden]

You all right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

All right. You all right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna keep an eye out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Definitely got to keep an eye out.

[Joe Hayden]

We make sure that Houston don't try to. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

They worried about Houston, man. We. We'll get to that, man. That.

[Joe Hayden]

That.

[James Debo Harrison]

That'll be what it's gonna be, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, we do what we need to do. Let's go. It's gonna pan itself out. I ain't worried about it, man. We. We where we need to be. We at where we need to be. And all these other people that's sitting on the sideline, wishing and hoping and praying on the downfall and want us to go to Cancun with them and all that. Y' all gonna have to wait. Y' all gonna have to wait. The season ain't over with we get done in San Francisco.

[Joe Hayden]

See, look whole time we got people. We look we. But he worried about us. He's delaying his flight. Go to Cancun. What you sitting at the crib.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. What you waiting for?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, if you can go chill, you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Could be watching and sad every time we win from some good weather, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, not a bad place to watch playoff games in Cancun.

[James Debo Harrison]

And now you think about they talking about they gonna do something astronomical in the off season. All this. I don't. Is your coach still go even want to coach there after what y' all done did to him is you go even have Lamar. Lamar is a hard, hard cap hit come next year.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, but see Deebo, I hate when.

[James Debo Harrison]

So that's your astronomical. May be that you lose when we.

[Joe Hayden]

Start talking about Debo dunk you funny don't say cap hit when we talk about lamar Jackson.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's 75, 25%.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all irrelevant. We could change that number. Make it guaranteed. Make it a signing bonus. Get that man his money.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like that's still gonna hit the cab. What they gonna do? What they gonna do? They need help over there. Them boys can't sack nobody to say they life. But I said himself he could drop down there and go out there and get one.

[Joe Hayden]

No for sure. But the offensive players, they're not bad. They got. They. I'm not rooting for them. I hope Debo. I hope they don't figure it out. I hope they get rid of John Harbo and give him to. And give him to Mike and give him to the land. I'd be happy. I'd be geeked.

[James Debo Harrison]

Set him free.

[Joe Hayden]

Set him free. Let him fly.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let him have his way.

[Joe Hayden]

Then y' all will. Then. Then they will be. Then they'll be really bad. You know what I'm saying? That won't be good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of setting free, the Browns GM Andrew Barry. I guess y' all boys after y' all fired Stefanski go. Barry said when asked about who is starting quarterback would be. He said we're going to do. We're going to do our work on the quarterback market. It is an. It is too important a position and it's something that has to be solidified. I can't sit here and tell you today whether the starter in 2026 is internal or external. Something that we're going to work through over the next several weeks. And quite honestly, the new coach will also have a lot of input into that as well. How. How do You. How do you feel about him not saying Shador is the starter?

[Joe Hayden]

I respect it. As a gm, at least he came out and said something. The one thing I do like is my man Andrew Berry. He likes Shadore Sanders. He really wanted him to be there. You could see, like, even in the preseason when he talks to him, he wants Shador to be successful. And I think that he knows Shador can be successful. So I'm excited about that. Having the new coach that comes in, I want him to also be in. On. In on Shador and on. When are you looking for. We don't know that he's the main thing. So you always have your eyes open. You're always trying to figure out if you can get the franchise. If Joe Burrow's looking crazy over there, we can get a franchise quarterback in, in, in Cleveland, that, that would be great. But having DeShawn Watson in the locker room, that he's a guaranteed. He's making $46 million a year next year, fully guaranteed. This is going to be his last year on this guaranteed money. Have him. You have Shador, you have Dylan Gabriel. You have two quarterbacks that are making peanuts that are on their rookie contracts that are going to be there. I think Shador is going to be the backup or the starter. But having Watkins there, that you're paying $46 million regardless, you're not going to get rid of him. You can't trade him. He's been injured now. He's had a whole offseason to get healthy. This is going to be his last year. There. You have Shador. So now the quarterback position, I think, is more filled when you're looking at him always trying to figure out the next. What's the best thing. It's not answered yet. So him saying, this is 1,000%. I love it. But I do like that I know that he likes Shador and the next quarterback. I mean, the next coach that comes in needs to be a Shador fan and kind of in him. Want to be able to work with him and not be like, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm out. I'm out. So I think that him saying that is good with, with Andrew Barry. I like him as a GM because I think his last draft class was good. The Browns team isn't a bad team. Overall defense solid. We have some players like Devin Bush. You know what I'm saying? We need to resign him. We getting us getting Tyson Campbell in the trade for Newsome. I love Newsom, that's my man. Tyson Gamble is a baller. That was a great pick. We have Denzel Ward. We have Everson Griffin coming back. He got hurt early on in the season, I think before the year started. So we got a lot of great defensive players. We need to resign some offensive linemen. We need to figure out what's going on with my good man, hall of Famer Joe Pantonio, and then Wyatt Teller, we need to figure out with him. So offensive line, receivers, Bond is good, you know what I'm saying? So we need that. And then looking into our draft picks, we have 10 draft picks, two in the first round. We need to get offensive line and wide receiver, you know what I'm saying? If it doesn't work out, we can go get quarterback later on, figure something next year, because I think this year with those three that we have, we look solid. So I like Andrew Berry. I think we have a lot of picks. We got a lot of stuff that we can work on. And I think with him going into the draft and being able to finagle the salary cap, he's a good way of giving dudes guaranteed money. A lot of restructuring is going to need to be done to the people that are going to be able to stay there so we can get somebody else. But I think he's a good gm. I think he's gonna be able to get talent there, and I think that's gonna help us out, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I don't disagree with, you know, what he said, you know, especially because I don't. I don't think he did, you know, anything that would have solidified his position as being the starting quarterback, especially when you look at it comparatively to, you know, what the quarterbacks, you know, did that he took over for. So I'm not upset with it. I'm cool with it. He's not making a predetermined decision. And like you said, they got a lot of money over there in the quarterback room, and it's on a person that only got a one deal. One deal. One year deal. So my thing is, though, what if they go. They give him the chance, he win it, and now he go out there, watch. He go out there and he actually ball out. Now do you pay again? No. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't. 4,000. He got, he got. He got. He got, you know, he got 35. He got 35. 40 touchdowns. If he goes out there, six picks.

[Joe Hayden]

This one, I'm telling you, it's still. It's not, it's not gonna be another 230, you know what I'm saying? Like we're gonna have to definitely give me something because we, I don't know, it's going to be, it's not going to be another crazy astronomical deal like that. If he goes and balls out, knowing.

[James Debo Harrison]

You saying you owe back pay.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh for sure, sure. I gave you 230 to the good and I didn't get. I didn't mean. The ROI is not looking like what it's supposed to be.

[James Debo Harrison]

No question.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? So that's how. Heck no.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Speaking of that, I guess the quarterback over there at Texas Techs, I guess he signed reportedly a five million dollar deal with the Red Raiders in the transfer portal they said watch the door. Is set to make 4.6 million across his rookie deal. You find a problem with that?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't find a problem with it. I think if you go, if, if they can pay him that money, I can't be mad at the court, at the young boy being able to make that money. You know what I'm saying? Like the NFL, they started to change like the, the rookie, the rookie scales. If you was a first round pick, the front one. Overall, my man Ward is making four years, 48 million fully guaranteed, you know what I'm saying? $12 million a year coming out of college. So the number one, if you that guy and your thing is you want to get to the league, ward is making $12 million a year, four years fully guaranteed and your neck. And if you want to be that real guy, your job is to get that second contract like all that, like you won't be in college making that, it's three for 15 at the most. Not saying that's not no money but when we saying if you want to be a professional and this is what you're going to do for your livelihood, we got Tua made a five year, $230 million contract, you know what I'm saying? So he got 167 guarantees. So when we're talking about making it to the league, switching, if you can make that in college, make it. I'm not, I can't be mad at you at all. Do it. But long term, if you want to be great, like don't just like if you're in a comfortable position where they're giving you 4 million a year, I don't know if you want to switch your whole team and do that stuff because when you get to the league, you get comfortable, you Start you want to be the best you can be, obviously optimize making your money. But getting. Being in this position where you're making a good amount of money, comfortable ballin', and then, like, hopping around, is it really worth it? So making the money. I'm never against them making as much money as they can, but just my picture is, when you're doing it in college, hopping around, I understand it's bread. When you get to the league, you're gonna get your rookie deal. You're trying to. Are you. When you're trying to be the best you can. Like, it's. I don't even know how to really explain, like, what is enough. Like, you're going to be good regardless.

[James Debo Harrison]

But I ain't tripping, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Being the situation door was in a.

[James Debo Harrison]

Position that he was in last year or whatever it was in Colorado. Okay. I ain't mad at nobody making money. I ain't mad. I ain't tripping on the quarterback having more money. I'm not tripping on none of that. I would do the same thing. Chador got to do the same thing when he was in Colorado. If you want to look at something, look at the NFL and the collective bargaining agreement that the NFL PA puts in place and see why they allow what they allow. Like, you a guy like this right here and you're getting that money, like, what's gonna motivate me to go to the next level if I know I ain't gonna be the first pick on the first day? Like, yeah, I'm gonna stay in college a little longer. I could get this bread, you know what I'm saying? Like, you may. Or we may miss out on the opportunity as NFL on a player that could have came and did something great. But say they end up staying too long, get hurt, whatever it may be, and, you know, not get that opportunity to come in at full speed because they like, yo, I'm gonna be able to make more sitting right here than I am going and signing a, you know, a rookie deal as a third, you know, third, fourth round pick.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I, I, I, I hear you a thousand percent. It's just to like, are they. I mean, if you, if the NFL.

[James Debo Harrison]

Is making so much paper right now, dude, you gotta buy up almost a thousand dollars in subscriptions to see every NFL game this year. I think they streaming. They got every service a Met like, thought of that. It's a game here, a game there, and they selling out to the highest bidder, whoever get the highest. You get this if you want the whole lump sum, it's 50 billion. Ain't nobody got it. So they keep taking a, a B from here, a couple bees from there, some bees from here, some bees from there. Next thing you know they probably got 15, 20 bees sitting there every year.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, So I, I, yeah, it's just, it's the same like when you look at it too when you look at college football, when you look at these players like, like how many dudes on that team are making this much money? You got probably two. Like a quarterback is making 5 million, but like that's on the NFL team. You got one dude making quarterbacks making 50.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right. But they also have to stay under a cap. Yeah, that's the NFL bargains with the, with the collective bargaining agreement with the cba, with the nflpa. Like the NFLPA need to fight for more. Like baseball has, I don't know, 50 billion games, dude. And like still make, yes, they're uncapping the NFL like still like they got a hundred games. Basketball got 90, 80 something games. Like dude, and we, the NFL supposedly still makes more than any two of those combined. Like you telling me you ain't got no money to spread?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no. But then that goes to.

[James Debo Harrison]

The NFLPA is felling the players. They have been, they are especially for the last 10, 12 years, whatever that 15 year time frame is since D. Smith got in place and was out. Like they need to get this together before this next CBA or else it's not going to look good as far as the potential of getting, you know, players to come out at the opportune time because it ain't no rules over there right now in college football, man. You guys, some rosters got 20, 25 million on, on the, on the board. And this is for a university that what ain't they tax free or sir, tax exempt or something like, I don't know what's going on. NFL got a whole bunch of money. They sitting there holding on to that. They could, they could spread a lot, a lot more out and be able to give these guys better pay. Especially like they making money hand over.

[Joe Hayden]

Fist, you know, for sure, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now let's hit over there with the Ravens, man. You think John Harbaugh, he come back because this could be his opportunity, this could be his choice. I don't think they fire him. I don't see them ever firing him especially.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James Debo Harrison]

What do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

I think he got two years left on this deal and I don't think they should fire him. I think that would Be a bad idea. Just his long. Him not being able to win the big game at the end, you know what I'm saying? Obviously you want to win the Super Bowl. Every year teams come in the, into the lead, they want to win the super bowl. But who you going to get for him? Like, I like his, what he's been doing there. And I, I don't think that they have really. I mean him and Lamar Jackson, I think Lamar Jackson, if he still wants him there too. I don't see them being a real like not. I don't see them not getting along. So I think that they'll be cool.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I don't think he going nowhere. I don't, I don't think they should, should move anywhere either. I mean, you was right there. You just had to face us at the end and you, I mean that's the dawning task for anybody to have to deal with, you know, especially, especially the Rat Birds, you know and all.

[Joe Hayden]

And end of the day, bro, we, we laughing at them so much. But they were a missed 44 yard field goal attempt from being in the joint. So it's like.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't care about that. I told you already. I told you. You see, God is a still a fan, man. I told you that.

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[Joe Hayden]

Did you see the John 3:16 in.

[James Debo Harrison]

The end zone went off? You understand? Y' all believe that it. Listen, I'm just telling you that's what I'm feeling in my heart. That's what I'm feeling in my heart, man. Now that boy too over there, he said he opened to a fresh start. He said it would be dope. He said I would be good with it. That would be dope. I would be good with it. He said, yo. Yes, he said that. He said, he said that to the people. Like that would be dope. That would be a French start. Would be dope.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, of course he was going to say that. Debo, what you think? Yes, it would be dope. You just got benched from your squad, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

They still owe him money though, you.

[Joe Hayden]

Know, wherever you go, whatever what happens, you're going to get guaranteed you got bread owed to you no matter what. 67, so you got like 50 this year and 17 next, no matter what. So fresh start going somewhere where they. Wherever I go, I'm going to get this dough. So yes, I'm saying the same exact thing and I was benched here, but.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who go take it?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. But if I'm tua I'm saying the same damn thing. Fresh start.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Wherever y' all want. Wherever. Wherever. And I'm going wherever he wants to be a starter. Wherever. But if he goes to a team that has already has a quarterback, you on the bench making your bread until they figure it out. So if I'm. Tua. I'm saying exactly what he said.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm down for a fresh start. Y' all keep me here. I ain't. What you gonna do. My. My stuff is guaranteed. I got 67 coming to me.

[James Debo Harrison]

They must have mismanaged him, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

For sure. Like, you gotta do. Like, right now, he has all the cards, Tua. Sitting there like, he's like, who gonna take him? I don't know. That's on the Dolphins to find out. They gotta figure out somebody to take me for this bridge.

[James Debo Harrison]

I really believe they mismanaged him.

[Joe Hayden]

No. Mismanage them. No, I think they. I think if you're gonna have.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think he could have been better than what he was, is what you're saying.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. I'm just.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't think they mismanage. No, no, no, no. I'm saying putting him in the position to where he's sitting there with $67 million, and he can do whatever he wants. That's where I'm saying that's mismanaged.

[James Debo Harrison]

They mismanaged. They. They. Yeah, I got you. I got you now. Okay. On that part.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boom. Two. Two is up. So that's mismanaged. However you want to look at it. They. He did good for them. They. They got the best out of him. But now he's sitting there, owe 67 million. Mismatched.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ain't nobody picking that up. Come on. Nobody picking that up. Y' all might as well go ahead and get. Get ready to add that to the cap.

[Joe Hayden]

The dead money.

[James Debo Harrison]

Y'.

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[James Debo Harrison]

Y' all stuck, man. This. This. This worse than marriage, you know what I'm saying? No worse than that, baby. Look here.

[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

All go ahead. Y' all got to hold on to that, boy. I don't know if. If it's the starter or not, but he gonna have to be there, because I just can't let you go away and just. And just let you go. And that's what I'm saying. Hey, hey. When they say it's cheaper to keep her. Hey, this one opportunity.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man. And. And this is. This is the part two. If he's going out there and working hard, doing his job. Not being an irritating person, not trying to mess up the locker room, not trying to be a problem.

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[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? Then you know, keep him there. He's doing what he's got to do. But like, like Deshaun Watson, he's there. He's not being a problem. He's trying to get better. He hurt himself, you know what I'm saying? Older bread. He's not alone.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, but why would you say that would be dope if they let me go, a fresh start would be great. Like you're saying, oh, I don't want to be here, like.

[Joe Hayden]

Because they benched you.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what it come down to.

[Joe Hayden]

They said, yeah, because they benched them. And then a fresh start. Because obviously, right now I was a starter, I guess.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what? I wasn't thinking about the guarantee. Yeah. I'm gonna say what I want to. Yeah, I need a fresh start for sure, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

No matter what. So now it's no matter what.

[James Debo Harrison]

And I could double up if y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All.

[James Debo Harrison]

If I get you to hold on. See, I'm gonna get you to hold on to me until the season start doing. Then I'm gonna try and double up after.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna have to have.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know. And then your boy over there. I don't know why the head coach still there, man. I listened to this press conference doing. I just get confused. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I think he's.

[James Debo Harrison]

Maybe that's the fresh start of need. Because I'm listening to him. I don't know what he'd be talking like. Huh? He goes from one subject to the next, and I don't know what he'd be talking about. Like, it don't be a break. It's like I was brushing my teeth, ate salad last night to the. The store. This. What.

[Joe Hayden]

That's real. It's a little jumpy, man. It's a little jumpy. A little jumpy. A little all over the place.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, like that.

[Joe Hayden]

That's. I would. He never coached me. He was the offense. He was on our. He was the wide receiver coach when I was in Cleveland, so I ain't never receivers.

[James Debo Harrison]

How was they performing? Was they confused?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, we had. That was when young Johnny was out there at the quarterback. We had Miles Austin. It was a little. I mean. Yeah, it was a little confusing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. Yeah. Now, look, look.

[Joe Hayden]

That's my man Miles. It might have been.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Come on. Come on. You got Russian, though. Russ got something out there. Pop that up. Can y' all throw that up there? Let's see what Russ said, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Russ got something on his heart.

[James Debo Harrison]

Russ got Russ. Well, he. He ended up, I guess, saying. He said the Giants. He said, not the Giants fault. They didn't know because I didn't tell them. I didn't tell anyone because of the circumstances. I just had to play through it and try and go out there and ball thought. Thought we were going to win that wild, crazy game. I guess he's referring to a game that he went out there and played.

[Joe Hayden]

With a grade two and didn't.

[James Debo Harrison]

And didn't tell anybody. How you. How you feel about that? Joe, about him saying that or. Or how do you feel about a guy doing that?

[Joe Hayden]

How do you feel, Deebo?

[James Debo Harrison]

So for me, yes, I. So the big thing they're trying to get into, though, is they're talking about, you know, the Giants did something wrong. He's like, no, they didn't do nothing wrong because I didn't tell him about it. Okay. And I think that's cool because the Giants didn't know, and he just said they didn't know. So there's no rules or anything broke there.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

And I don't think with. Under. With the. With the NFL understands is that depending on your circumstance, as he said, you may or may not, you know, try and battle through it and not tell no one. As sometimes in the situations where you have the option to not play and not playing is better for you, because right now, the position you're in versus you playing hurt and not telling anyone, you know, it could cause your situation to change because they're thinking you're a hundred, but you're not. So they're judging you without a curve. And now, like, maybe that puts you in jeopardy later. You know what I'm saying? But if you're in a position that you can still tell them I'm hurt and go play, like, yeah, go ahead and do it, because you're secure at whatever position that is. I know when I played, I tried to keep any injury nagging, little injury thing that would. Anything that would cause me to be on the injury report, like, I'm. I don't care what it is. I'm not missing practice because I don't want the opposite opponent knowing. Like, I got this issue and them trying to go after it. So for any reason, like, I don't care what it is, I'm trying to practice. I don't want to go on the report as did not practice, blah, blah, blah, because of this injury and that injury. So if my injury that I have does not totally stop me from being able to practice, I'm not telling you. Yeah, I'm gonna take care of it. I'm gonna get it treated. I'm gonna do all that. But I ain't letting you. I'm. What are you icing for recovery? Yeah. You know.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, for sure. I feel this one. I think something when I was looking at it, was he. You think he's trying to protect. Is he trying to just not let the team know that he has an injury? Because he's just going to handle it and he's going to still go out there and perform.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think this ended up having to come out because the Giants, I guess somehow the NFL found out that this has happened, so he had to publicly basically come out and be like, no, they didn't do anything illegal. They didn't know.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. I got to tell them, okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's how all this ended up, you know, coming out.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Yeah, I think so. Like you said, it's different situations. I know some players, like, depending on their contract status, like, they made to be like, man, look, if I let them know that I'm hurt, they might not play me. They try to think I'm hurting, I might get waved. You know what I'm saying? Like, nah, I'm a handle this myself. I'm gonna go out there. I'm perfectly fine and chance it to be out there. Like, nah, I'm gonna go out this joint. And if they know that you're hurt a little bit sometimes, like, if you're a player, I mean, get out there on the injury, and it's not great on the curve, because when you're out there, they're expecting you to play, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

They're expecting you to play. But at the same time, if you don't play to that level that you know and they're used to seeing you play, they like, okay, he played good, but he ain't playing like he played well. They know this. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like I said, depending on your situation, whether that is, I got somebody behind me, I ain't playing well. I'm on the last year. I'm on year two. I'm on year one, whatever that is, you're going to take the chance of either not telling or you're going to tell and play.

[Joe Hayden]

That was the same thing, like old school back in the day. Dudes would get to get them concussions and just get back up like, no, I ain't. I'm good. I didn't feel nothing. Because they like, no, I don't want to lose my spot. Somebody else would come in there. I'm straight. But when you could still be out there, legitimately loopy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right, Right. But even back then, though, they weren't really looking for that. Dude. I went to sleep in my rookie year, boy, on a. I smacked me a tight end on the crosshair. I thought I laid him down. They come out there like, hey, you good with something? Like, what y' all doing out here? I'm good. Yeah, man, Listen, back in the game, next. The next. Like, it was, what, three or four plays later? Hey, what's today? Sunday. You know what it is like I'm a win. If I say Sunday, I got a good chance. Now you, oh, now you might Tossing up in the air. Now you talking about Sunday. They got a Thursday, a Saturday or Monday, you know, like, hell yeah, it could be any day right now. The way they looking at it, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Back in the day, anytime you woke up. Sunday, good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Sunday. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Sunday. Good. Good. Real good. Real good. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yo.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what time it is?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's time for Play or Fade, presented by Prize Picks. All right, Joe, so we go do, we go do our player fade a little different today, all right? I don't watch much college football because, you know, Kent State, it's not like I had a. Had a lot too.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, y' all ain't in the playoffs.

[James Debo Harrison]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my bad. That's aggressive. That was aggressive.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, that's real aggressive, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Gator's not in the playoffs either. Gator's not in the playoff season.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I mean, we was like, we won, what, six games over the last three seasons, bro, and, and five of those games was last year, bro. I mean, you know, at least we headed in the right direction, though, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. No, I could respect.

[James Debo Harrison]

And on top of that, we beat, we beat Akron. Now, you know that that's our rival, so we took the wagon wheel back. They know what it is. Okay, okay, so this is what we got, man. The staff, dude, they made a lineup for both of us to either play or fade. Okay, okay. All right. You know better than I do, but let's see, let's see what they, what they pick, man. So right here they got your boy.

[Joe Hayden]

My aunt running back like him to school. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

You like it?

[Joe Hayden]

I like, I like him. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Fletcher.

[James Debo Harrison]

You got Mark Fletcher.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, I got Fletcher.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, you got Trinidad. What is it, Chambliss?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Trinidad. Hey, bro. He came from the dirt, too. Yes, he's gonna get, Came from the dirt.

[Joe Hayden]

He gonna get it, too.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, but I see, okay, now we got, we got, we got Charlie Becker.

[Joe Hayden]

I, I, I'm not too hip to Charlie Becker.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, man, Indiana been doing real big things.

[Joe Hayden]

The quarterback is the one that's supposed to be going number one. The Heisman. The Heisman Trophy, buddy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who you think throwing to him?

[Joe Hayden]

They gotta be got. They gotta be him.

[James Debo Harrison]

Charlie. Who you think he throwing to?

[Joe Hayden]

He's throwing it to Charlie.

[James Debo Harrison]

Gotta be more this college ball. They going up against Oregon, too, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, I know. Okay, okay. Oregon quarterback See, that's what I'm saying. I need to.

[James Debo Harrison]

What about. What about Dante? What you got on more?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[James Debo Harrison]

More or less. You got more or less on more.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm thinking. I'm thinking. I'm thinking more. That's Oregon.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what I was thinking.

[Joe Hayden]

That's Oregon. I don't know. That's organ. I'm thinking he going more than pet.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

And they moving fast. It's a lot of plays.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, hey, look, this is a staff pick, but I'm. I don't. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

Right now. Right now I'm feeling fatable a little bit.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what I'm saying. It's college. I'm feeling real fatable. I'm feeling real fatable. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't. You know what, man? Because I need to. I want to start getting my wins all the way up. So I'm gonna have to fade this.

[James Debo Harrison]

One, man, because I don't know, man. They. They broke something off. Wasn't that Old State. They broke off like that for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

38 to 3. I'm. This one. I'm telling you, I'm not mad at none of this.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm going down. I'm. I'm. I'm gonna play. Okay, I got. I gotta play that one.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, I gotta play.

[James Debo Harrison]

That made me nervous. I just thought about that.

[Joe Hayden]

If. This is what I'm saying. If you gonna play it, I'm not gonna let you play it by yourself. And you'd be hitting me, talking about something. Look, Joe, I done told you and that you won, so I'm gonna play it, too.

[James Debo Harrison]

What is that? Elijah Surrette?

[Joe Hayden]

Elijah Surrette? Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Sarah Surrette, Something like that.

[Joe Hayden]

I believe in anybody on this thing that has an over on Indiana. Okay, if it says up and it says Indiana, I'm more. More. More.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, you more on that?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm more. I'm more more on Indiana.

[James Debo Harrison]

So all you gotta do is score one. Touch. I don't even know what a half of a touchdown is.

[Joe Hayden]

That means he has to score one. Because if you.

[James Debo Harrison]

What if he running and he do a lateral to somebody, do they get a half?

[Joe Hayden]

Nope.

[James Debo Harrison]

They get three quarter.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope, nope, nope, nope.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, man. Anything. Anything on them boys over there in Indiana? Skull, I gotta go mo. I gotta go mo. I gotta go mo, like.

[Joe Hayden]

So let's just.

[James Debo Harrison]

And I. Listen, I'm. I ain't gonna lie to you. What's up on the. Dante Moore? I'm kind of. I'M kind of going with it just.

[Joe Hayden]

Because Indiana defense, they strapped Old State. Crazy when I think about it. Oh, State only had three points. So that I'm over here talking about, like it could. They could know something.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. Trinidad, he got it. He gotta get him one.

[Joe Hayden]

It's all making sense. It's all making sense.

[James Debo Harrison]

Gotta get him one. We got running the rock over there in Miami, so Fletcher, he gotta get him one.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. And the Ole Miss court.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen here, man. We gonna play what y' all got right here, man, please, like, we ain't, you know, we ain't tripping, because after we sit back and we really think about it. Hey, yeah, we play all that. Look here, man. Make sure y' all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get 50 in lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. Look here, Debo and Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

After you play your first five. Don't y' all miss it, man. Debo Joe, let's go. Come on. We ain't got no. We ain't got. We ain't got no. We ain't got no snaps. We ain't got nobody to talk to over there.

[Joe Hayden]

We got no supers, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

We ain't got no super chat. They ain't even help your boy out on here. That's all right, though. They in the chat. I can see them in the chat. Where they at? Where they at? We got one. We got Mikhail Randall. $10. What's good, Debo? Can you keep it real? What do you think about these disrespectful Raven fans? That is a good question. You know what I think?

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think, Debo? Keep it real.

[James Debo Harrison]

Jealousy. And if you run deep, you run deep. When they want what they can't have, when they want what you got, they'll do anything to steal you. To steal it and steal your joy over it. They ain't nothing. They ain't never gonna be nothing. They rat birds. They vermin. You can go ahead and hunt them because to the environment 24, 7, 365. About the rat birds.

[Joe Hayden]

That's honesty. That's your honest opinion. That's how you really feel, Debo?

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm still smoking on a cigar on a Tuesday when it rains 2. Oh, Lord. See those behind me?

[Joe Hayden]

Love that rat. Rat.

[James Debo Harrison]

Rat. Rat, Rat, Rat, rat. Spell it straight out. Rat birds. I see you right there. Covenant Life. I see them rat birds. Look here now. We want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Oh, My God. Hold up. What is that right there? I see somebody.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, you are her.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's Mikhail again. He donated. He donated another $2.

[Joe Hayden]

Ain't from Baltimore.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm from Baltimore. I love it. Be more.

[Joe Hayden]

Be more. I'm from.

[James Debo Harrison]

Be more. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Or pg. Yeah. That's crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get out of here. We. We don't care. We don't care about those ravens. We stay. He stay in the land over there. Where y' all at? He wear it proud. Flash it on y'. All. Swing it in your face like a helicopter. Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

The disrespect.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. King.

[James Debo Harrison]

Your majesty. What is it, Malachi? Or what is it? What's the last name? Hey, just tell them to call you your majesty. And it don't matter what else they put behind it, because the kings of the north, the Pittsburgh Stillers, Stillers nation, do not listen to the opinion of peasants.

[Joe Hayden]

Do not.

[James Debo Harrison]

We want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Deebo and Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

And don't you forget, we got two, two, two.

[Joe Hayden]

Three sets of two, three sets of two tickets.

[James Debo Harrison]

Sets to this playoff out there. And watch us see what we go do to these Houston Texans at Monday night.

[Joe Hayden]

We're gonna talk about this. We're talking about this.

[James Debo Harrison]

We're gonna talk about this tomorrow. We're gonna talk about this on Friday.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't y' all worry about this on Friday.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get into it deep now. Make sure you hit the like and subscribe button. Now. Y' all don't want to miss nothing, man. We're gonna be right back here on Friday, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, man, make sure y' all get on with us on Friday and get your boys to 100k before Super Bowl. It's nothing. All you gotta do is hit the like and subscribe button.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's free.

[Joe Hayden]

It's free.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's free. Don't cost you nothing. And then we get Friday, and then we go follow you if you start saying something goofy, you rat birds. It's free to win these tickets, too, to the game.

[Joe Hayden]

Playoffs. I'm in the building, too.

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